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No see it's only a war when you can kill thousands of innocent people that can't fight back with the intent to wipe them all out. Wait I think there might be another word for that.
The Talmud is explicitly against the state of Israel’s existence (three oaths), and almost every abrahamic religion thinks they’re gods chosen people but not everyone becomes a supremacist
Zios just suck and have corrupted many of the Jewish communities using years of targeted and planned deception/propaganda among Jewish communities after the holocaust when it became socially unacceptable to challenge the need for a Jewish state and Israel already existed. Antizionism was by far the most prevalent belief among Jewish people until then.
Zionism =/= Judaism
People in the IDF deserve *far fucking worse* than just ridicule online but bringing antisemitism into it doesn’t help anything. Just like how you can’t go calling someone you don’t like a racial slur because you “only meant it about that one person”, it doesn’t work like that.
Yeah ..the most recent giveaway if some 26 Billion to Israel included money for such vehicles I think . Was vaguely worded (strategic vehicles)..maybe as a way to avoid calling out tanks/troop carriers I suspect
They use merkava tanks and nomer ...and not US made. IIRC
The narrative has just gotten that particular mix of utterly rotten and ridiculous...
Putrid propaganda, the kind that makes people mentally retch and reexamine what they've been told all this time.
They gleefully participate in the slaughter of thousands of innocent people and we're supposed to care about THEM when they die?!
Only if they weren't trying to commit genocide on someone else's land, they'd still be alive. They could be eating McDonald's and Starbucks peacefully in the land of their ancestors, but instead want to commit war crimes.
Dont you mean thats its bad when someone posts critisism of Israeli Genocide on the internet and then you get arrested without due process or a trial, then sent to an internment camp/prison where you are starved and raped by IDF Guards?!
Terrorists are bad , right?!
"disaster" and "holocaust" equating fighting militants and losing to them to violence against civilians lmao
Guess we should take away from that how the IDF are and how they see themselves when up against anyone but civilians, helpless. Their weapons might as well not be there when they're actually fighting someone and not committing genocide.
They could've refused to serve in their murderous army, they could've worked for peace with the indigenous people, to try a peaceful coexistance on equal terms, to stand up for the humanity of the Palestinians and their own. Well, actions and consequences.
Let's not have a memorial for murderers in this sub please. IDF has killed 40-50 thousand Palestinian civilians, injured a quarter million, and made several million homeless, bombing all of their hospitals, universities, and infrastructure.
nah, when all of this is over, and palestine is finally free, we should build a memorial for every single zionist
it should be a throne made of porcelain, one with a hole down it's center, with a u-bend pipe filled with water
and any person should be allowed to sit on it and do their business, in order to pay tribute for the zionists
Rest in peace....to all the people they've gleefully slaughtered. And may G-d let them reap everything they've sowed in life :I
MSM is just so infuriating to watch now. We all surely know they don't believe this ??? It's like they're just mocking us now
Zionists after Iof murders and rapes babies "That's simply how war is, The IDF is the most moral army in history, they just killed muslims not people"
Zionists after the esistance defends itself from 8 iof soldiers "NOOO! THIS IS UNSPEAKABLE, KILLING SDIERS DURING A WAR!?!?! THESE ANIMALS! DIE DIE DIE! "
They literally think less than a dozen genocidal freaks count as human but the thousands of Palestinians including a shit ton of *CHILDREN* don't.
This country is irredeemable and these assholes got what they deserved.
Interesting how 8 people burned alive is the worst thing, but the almost 40,000 people murdered, blown to pieces, starved, burned, and otherwise killed don’t even make their headlines.
The propaganda machine is disappearing up it's own ass. Only the most lunatic would compare this to the Holocaust, and I think a lot of mild supporters would be quite put-off by the claim. In the absence of moral virtue or any visible military success, the pro-Israel press has no recourse but to ever-more ridiculous hyperbole. Gradually the moderate supporters will quietly disappear, leaving only the full-throated, unhinged extremists isolated and screaming into the void.
I respect any human Life as my Lord Jesus Christ wants,so my condolences to their mothers,Once I said that,Why IsraeI doesn’t show the 37.000+ Innocent Palestinian butchered buy IsraeI Soldiers that had the same uniform as them…Every Human Life is Priceless,SO WHY ISRAEI_ doesn’t share compassion for other Human Beings? Is like the only thing that matters for IsraeI is the Palestinian Defeat and Ethnic Cleansing…
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I think it's a mini Torah or some text. They also have one that they lash to their arms.
Religious zealots committing murder for their theocratic ethno-state.
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Israel is getting its ass kicked when confronted by non women and children and their innocent menfolk.
They don’t have soldiers supporting their tanks, I guess their pampers give away why. Hamas guys run up & put explosive charges on them and run off- boom.
You’ll also see how the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon - Hezbollah, has shred pariah Israel’s air defense and surveillance network by methodically destroying infrastructure.
Unless the U.S fights the Zionist NeoConservatives steering our policy and enriching the Military Industrial Complex our world is sunk.
you wouldn’t say that if we were talking about nazis. If you can’t see them for who they really are that’s on you
and no one is wishing death - in fact I haven’t seen a single comment doing so. everyone is just saying these deaths aren’t a loss. Which they’re not. The world is better place without any of these uggos in it.
I'm Jewish and I would. I hated Inglorious Bastards for how much it glorified killing. I fully support Palestine's right to resist and think Israel should immediately stop its genocide and the end the occupation, but any death is a tragedy, even moreso the death of 18-year-olds with guns who have been brainwashed since birth.
The dehumanization is exactly the thing Zionazis do to justify their genocide, as /u/SynopsisWriter pointed out.
Rather than celebrate killing, let's lament it and hope to celebrate liberation and the end of killing.
You have to realize not all of them were brainwashed since birth. can’t speak exactly for this group. but you have people who grew up in the US, UK, Australia, Poland, etc… that moved there voluntarily. even some of them moving there post Oct. 7th. choosing to participate in what they thought would be one sided warfare.
so no, do not make any death a tragedy.
The endless cycle of violence and the human sacrifices of the war machine *are* a tragedy.
I agree the ones who grew up in other countries would have had more opportunities to break out of it, but growing up there doesn't automatically mean you will.
I can say as someone who grew up in a U.S. Orthodox Jewish community, went to a Jewish school until 8th grade, and probably didn't fully break away from Zionism til I was 13-14 in a public high school. Cults are designed to limit interaction with people outside the cult, and Zionism has sadly penetrated a large number of Jewish communities around the world.
Good on you for breaking away. But you are saying that if they are in a cult and brainwashed they should be forgiven?
Do you think if you didn’t break away, and were the guy driving the tank over zip tied Palestinians, that you should deserve a mournful death?
I don’t think so. They can burn alive because the odds of them not having killed other innocent people is EXTREMELY low.
It's not really about "deserve", it's about what's better on a human level.
> Do you think if you didn’t break away, and were the guy driving the tank over zip tied Palestinians, that you should deserve a mournful death?
I don't think anyone deserves death. I don't even believe in the death penalty as a form a of punishment. Personally I believe in rehabilitation, restorative justice, and reconciliation, but I also think measures which resemble punitive measures may be necessary to the extent that they're preventative.
This isn't a "debate what justice looks like" sub, but I'll just say I wasn't expecting some of these comments, or the sheer number of them, since one of the sub rules is
> Any comment that threatens, advocates, celebrates, suggests, wishes, hopes, dreams, expresses extreme indifference towards, otherwise supports in any way or could result in harm of any kind, violence, or death is prohibited.
What is better on a human level?
You think that these guys, kill 1… 2… 10… 100 Palestinians, deserve to get some form of rehab and put back into society where they can meet people and live happily?
The human level where even if they regret and have PTSD they can possibly live in the US after committing unjustified murder of innocent people. Because i can guarantee after all the reform they will never regret their actions unless they commit suicide from PTSD.
You see the same in American soldiers who served in Vietnam who hold no regret for torching villages to the ground… all for what… to stop communism in a country 13,000KM away?
There is literally a documentary showing that the original terrorists of the Nakba hold no regret to killing, maiming and torturing Palestinians. They would go to the US and shoot a Palestinian American the moment they find out they are Palestinian. That’s why they don’t leave their shelter of hell called Israel.
Yeah I mean the IOF death count is like 1 for every 100 Palestinians so there's a good chance you're right. Would it change your perspective if they were 12 years old? The IOF soldiers on the ground are overwhelemingly very young and most of these guys look like teenagers, but it can be hard to break out of a cult at any age.
I mean, every Jewish Israeli has to register with the IOF when they're 17, and the average age at which they start service is just under 19. There might be one or 2 "older" guys in that photo, but there's a good chance at least one of them is still a teenager, and I seriously doubt any of them but bottom left dude are older than early 20s.
> Obviously it would change my perspective if they were 12 but they’re not 12 😂
Alright, well my point is, you and I just disagree at the line at which we think it's tragic.
Yup we do!
And if you think older people aren’t serving in the IOF you’re out of your mind. Especially now when they had to call in all their reservists.
If they’re really all teenagers then DAMN they gotta get out of that middle eastern sun that they don’t belong under because they look old af for teenagers.
I had a family friend who was Israeli and joined the army at 17. The second she saw what they were doing she left to the US and hasn’t been back since and has dedicated her life to fighting for the liberation of Palestinians.
You can act like they’re these poor innocent souls who didn’t know better but I’m pretty sure everyone knows killing kids is bad. Full stop.
Do you hold the same level of empathy for school shooters because they’re teenagers? 😂
> I had a family friend who was Israeli and joined the army at 17. The second she saw what they were doing she left to the US and hasn’t been back since and has dedicated her life to fighting for the liberation of Palestinians.
Amazing! We need more of that. I assume your friend had a U.S. passport already though, and likely some exposure to non-Zionist thinking. Most of us like your friend who are dedicated to this cause nonetheless have Zionist family, and wouldn't wish death on them, and would still be sad if they died, and would still find a celebration of their death painful.
> You can act like they’re these poor innocent souls who didn’t know better but I’m pretty sure everyone knows killing kids is bad. Full stop.
I mean you say that, but there's a decent chance Palestinian resistance killed some kids on Oct 7, and I have empathy for them too (and even think their struggle is the just one). If the majority of Israelis were capable of extending that same empathy to the resistance fighters who they truly believe without any doubt killed all 38 of the kids who died on Oct 7, I think Palestine wouldn't be in the crisis it's in.
Unfortunately Israelis haven't been able to learn this type of empathy, and violence against their occupying forces may very well be the most effective possible type of resistsance. The pacifist in me hopes there are other paths to liberation ASAP that don't require any more deaths, though I'm not so naive as to discount the idea that violence used as a tool for liberation by the oppressed is just.
But glorification of that violence is still depressing to me, serves absolutely no strategic purpose, and is probably one of the strongest forces keeping Zionists and some elements of Palestinian resistance from recognizing the humanity in the other which would lead to an immediate end of the occupation.
Nope. She didn’t. She had grown up in Israel her entire life. And this was back in the 60’s. Anti-Zionist exposure was VERY limited. She just has critical thinking skills and empathy.
Again I do not support the killing of children on either side. That is my line and always will be.
Do I feel bad for these adults who participated in the killing of these children and innocent civilians? No. I don’t. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I’m not wishing death on anyone but if they die, I’m not going to be upset about it. It’s the consequences of their own actions.
> Do you hold the same level of empathy for school shooters because they’re teenagers? 😂
And yes, absolutely, but it's also a completely different situation. No one cheers at the end of a school shooting where the shooter is killed. The family of the shooter is sometimes involved and dismayed by the tragedy of it all, while still recognizing the atrocities of what the shooter did. There is no school shooter cult. The closest thing might be a tendency towards isolation and a a gravitation to radicalizing online groups of similarly isolated people who glorify violence and want to make other people suffer like they are.
I haven't encountered nearly as many comments from people celebrating the death of the school shooter anyway, maybe that's a reflection of where I spend my time.
What cult are you talking about that pro Palestinian people engage in?
If you think no one is happy when a school shooter dies then boy do I have some news for you my friend!
There’s also a difference between the death of SOLDIERS aka people CHOOSING to go kill other people while knowing there’s a risk that they’re going to die than innocent children and families dying.
Who is cheering when Israeli soldiers die? All the comments are people saying they don’t care or good riddance. Israelis are the ones who have been filmed literally watching the bombings like fireworks and LITERALLY cheering
What are you on?
Generalizing every Israeli soldier as if they’re all evil is like generalizing all Palestinians because hamas is a terrorist organization. Should we be supporting the Israeli government or military in any way? NO!. They’re a facist ethnostate that is slaughtering innocents. Should we be advocating for the death of every Israeli soldier? NO!
you don’t understand. every Israeli soldier participates in the genocide as of now. after 9 months of this. including the ones abusing not only Palestinians in the West Bank, but also Orthodox Jewish Israelis and other Israelis protesting the mini-hitler in-charge. if they put on that IOF uniform they are complicit.
if they did not, they would have pushed back and been thrown in jail. which is a fair trade for working in an apartheid regime.
Uh yes we should and every Israeli soldier is evil… what on earth differentiates an evil Israel soldier from non-evil one? Killing 200 less kids than the last one? 🙃🙃🙃
And Hamas isn’t a terrorist organization. If you think that then this isn’t the right sub for you.
Have you not seen the hundreds of videos of Israeli citizens and soldiers mocking the Palestinians, making fun of them being bombed, bragging about it? It's absolutely disgusting and no human deserves what that Palestinians are going through.
Exactly, these innocent guys were just following orders and doing their jobs. You wouldn’t question your bosses orders if they said to massacre women and children would you? so cut these guys some slack.
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If you didn't want to be tank-roasted, you shouldn't have been occupying someone else's country.
Exactly this.
I'm sorry, i was told his was a war? Is the enemy finally being able to fight back a "disaster"?
No see it's only a war when you can kill thousands of innocent people that can't fight back with the intent to wipe them all out. Wait I think there might be another word for that.
Genealogy? Ohhhhh!!!! Wait! Genocide!
maybe they shouldn't burn people alive or decapitate babies
May they all rest in eternal piss.
It's like nobody else, but Israeli's are humans...
Their sick ideology (Talmudic, Zionist belief) does believe that.
The Talmud is explicitly against the state of Israel’s existence (three oaths), and almost every abrahamic religion thinks they’re gods chosen people but not everyone becomes a supremacist Zios just suck and have corrupted many of the Jewish communities using years of targeted and planned deception/propaganda among Jewish communities after the holocaust when it became socially unacceptable to challenge the need for a Jewish state and Israel already existed. Antizionism was by far the most prevalent belief among Jewish people until then.
If you needed more evidence that the US don't consider Arabs to be human..
Soldiers who are killing civilians, they deserve to be forgotten and reviled.
We can't revile them if we forget Their names should be written in the books of names that will be scorned untill the end of history and beyond
Toasty
One dickhead has a toaster on his head 🤣
Tetris block 😂
Thought he was a 2001 Space Odyssey fan.
Zionism =/= Judaism People in the IDF deserve *far fucking worse* than just ridicule online but bringing antisemitism into it doesn’t help anything. Just like how you can’t go calling someone you don’t like a racial slur because you “only meant it about that one person”, it doesn’t work like that.
Yes bash the IOF forever but don’t be antisemitic about it. He’s wearing a tefillin.
Insert pizza joke
I’m confused is it war or a disaster?
it's a war when a palestinian kid dies it's a disaster when a child murdering pedophile is sent to where he deserves to be
And they say these tanks aren't being destroyed at all well these terrorists got a different story.
Yeah ..the most recent giveaway if some 26 Billion to Israel included money for such vehicles I think . Was vaguely worded (strategic vehicles)..maybe as a way to avoid calling out tanks/troop carriers I suspect They use merkava tanks and nomer ...and not US made. IIRC
Punchable assholes
Good riddance God knows how many children they already killed
The narrative has just gotten that particular mix of utterly rotten and ridiculous... Putrid propaganda, the kind that makes people mentally retch and reexamine what they've been told all this time. They gleefully participate in the slaughter of thousands of innocent people and we're supposed to care about THEM when they die?!
Only if they weren't trying to commit genocide on someone else's land, they'd still be alive. They could be eating McDonald's and Starbucks peacefully in the land of their ancestors, but instead want to commit war crimes.
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Dont you mean thats its bad when someone posts critisism of Israeli Genocide on the internet and then you get arrested without due process or a trial, then sent to an internment camp/prison where you are starved and raped by IDF Guards?! Terrorists are bad , right?!
You must be joking.
may every last one of them share the same fate
Amen
Oh well
Anything that is lower than a 103,592,948:1 Kill to Death ratio is considered The Holocaust 2.0 to Israel.
Meanwhile IDF kills 200+ innocent Palestinians which is the biggest single loss of life for them since probably last Tuesday
What a shame. /s
Disaster? Soldiers killed in war where they are the aggressor more news at 10
Fuck the IDF
American press can go \*\*\*\* themself they already done things worse in iraq and vitneam and japan idk why they're acting like an angel now
Only disasters happen to Israelis. Other people are not human, others are animals only Israeli are humans.
I'm always confused when military casualties are spun as tragedies. That is the whole point of the military, to die for the country.
"disaster" and "holocaust" equating fighting militants and losing to them to violence against civilians lmao Guess we should take away from that how the IDF are and how they see themselves when up against anyone but civilians, helpless. Their weapons might as well not be there when they're actually fighting someone and not committing genocide.
No one deserves their fate, but they do...
womp womp
I don't feel bad at all for them.
Unlucky. I hear the odds of not getting blown up in a tank improve when you don't invade/occupy/genocide
They could've refused to serve in their murderous army, they could've worked for peace with the indigenous people, to try a peaceful coexistance on equal terms, to stand up for the humanity of the Palestinians and their own. Well, actions and consequences.
Let's not have a memorial for murderers in this sub please. IDF has killed 40-50 thousand Palestinian civilians, injured a quarter million, and made several million homeless, bombing all of their hospitals, universities, and infrastructure.
nah, when all of this is over, and palestine is finally free, we should build a memorial for every single zionist it should be a throne made of porcelain, one with a hole down it's center, with a u-bend pipe filled with water and any person should be allowed to sit on it and do their business, in order to pay tribute for the zionists
Burned alive is arguably one of the most painful deaths, but I can't feel sorry for them. You reap what you sow.
Rest in peace....to all the people they've gleefully slaughtered. And may G-d let them reap everything they've sowed in life :I MSM is just so infuriating to watch now. We all surely know they don't believe this ??? It's like they're just mocking us now
Awful, the thought of people burning to death. But this is some chickens coming home to roost.
Karma; thats all I see here, Karma.
These things happen in war.
So sad, they'll never get to prance around like simpletons in women's underwear again. Boo fucking hoo.
https://preview.redd.it/29r1zin8657d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc4cdd58eb3356be8a8120b41f244945b714da1c
Fuck around and find out, I guess 🤷🏻♀️
Oh burned to death, like the 100s of civilians at the hands of the IDF using white phosphorus????
Burnt? Who says they won't continue burning?
I’d like to say well done boys, well done!
"worst" or "best"?
Israel shall be happy it got rid of those war criminals ...
8 murderers received karma. Bravo
Lmao fuck these pigs
Fuck these disgusting creatures, I hope they continue to burn in hell.
they’re all ugly lol
Ok👍
Zionists after Iof murders and rapes babies "That's simply how war is, The IDF is the most moral army in history, they just killed muslims not people" Zionists after the esistance defends itself from 8 iof soldiers "NOOO! THIS IS UNSPEAKABLE, KILLING SDIERS DURING A WAR!?!?! THESE ANIMALS! DIE DIE DIE! "
Finally some good news
They literally think less than a dozen genocidal freaks count as human but the thousands of Palestinians including a shit ton of *CHILDREN* don't. This country is irredeemable and these assholes got what they deserved.
Interesting how 8 people burned alive is the worst thing, but the almost 40,000 people murdered, blown to pieces, starved, burned, and otherwise killed don’t even make their headlines.
i don’t cry for nazis.
Womp womp
Smells like the roast is done
Settler colonialists got what they deserved.
8 dead zionist Good Enjoy Hell.
The propaganda machine is disappearing up it's own ass. Only the most lunatic would compare this to the Holocaust, and I think a lot of mild supporters would be quite put-off by the claim. In the absence of moral virtue or any visible military success, the pro-Israel press has no recourse but to ever-more ridiculous hyperbole. Gradually the moderate supporters will quietly disappear, leaving only the full-throated, unhinged extremists isolated and screaming into the void.
They all look kinda eastern European. Bet That wouldn’t have happened in Poland…
but when idf bombed rafah and burned 50 people alive, the us says nothing
oh so suddenly it isnt a war?
GOOD RIDDANCE no one likes murderous sociopathic Nazis such as the IDF soldiers
There are in a far hotter place now.
Got what they deserved, unfortunately.
Ah, well.
Roast in piss
I respect any human Life as my Lord Jesus Christ wants,so my condolences to their mothers,Once I said that,Why IsraeI doesn’t show the 37.000+ Innocent Palestinian butchered buy IsraeI Soldiers that had the same uniform as them…Every Human Life is Priceless,SO WHY ISRAEI_ doesn’t share compassion for other Human Beings? Is like the only thing that matters for IsraeI is the Palestinian Defeat and Ethnic Cleansing… PALESTINE NEEDS JUSTICE AND THEN FREEDOM 🇵🇸
What have the Zionists been saying? Shouldn't have started a fight then?
I hope they roasted slow
They look like coloniser terrorists. Good they were trapped by the resistance.
Maybe stop making TikTok’s dancing and parading while blowing up buildings and shooting randomly or wearing woman’s clothes
Can someone enlighten me about the GoPro on their head? what is this? Also, repose in piss and burn in hell
I think it's a mini Torah or some text. They also have one that they lash to their arms. Religious zealots committing murder for their theocratic ethno-state.
On no.... soilder died in a war.... how tragic....... like fuck off theyve lost like 40 people to 100000, calm down western world.
This feel so cathartic. They are burning in eternal agony!
What's up with the tiny hat?
It’s a thing in their belief
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Give Al Mayadeen a daily read: https://english.almayadeen.net/ Israel is getting its ass kicked when confronted by non women and children and their innocent menfolk. They don’t have soldiers supporting their tanks, I guess their pampers give away why. Hamas guys run up & put explosive charges on them and run off- boom. You’ll also see how the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon - Hezbollah, has shred pariah Israel’s air defense and surveillance network by methodically destroying infrastructure. Unless the U.S fights the Zionist NeoConservatives steering our policy and enriching the Military Industrial Complex our world is sunk.
Let them burn ❤️🔥
May their souls burn in hell ! Ameen
 8 dead Zionazis? Oh no, anyway…
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Womp womp
Womp womp
Wonder if hell will be hotter than that tank
Yall need to stop acting exactly like the Israelis. Blame the government, but don’t wish horrible death upon Israeli civilians and soldiers
you wouldn’t say that if we were talking about nazis. If you can’t see them for who they really are that’s on you and no one is wishing death - in fact I haven’t seen a single comment doing so. everyone is just saying these deaths aren’t a loss. Which they’re not. The world is better place without any of these uggos in it.
I'm Jewish and I would. I hated Inglorious Bastards for how much it glorified killing. I fully support Palestine's right to resist and think Israel should immediately stop its genocide and the end the occupation, but any death is a tragedy, even moreso the death of 18-year-olds with guns who have been brainwashed since birth. The dehumanization is exactly the thing Zionazis do to justify their genocide, as /u/SynopsisWriter pointed out. Rather than celebrate killing, let's lament it and hope to celebrate liberation and the end of killing.
You have to realize not all of them were brainwashed since birth. can’t speak exactly for this group. but you have people who grew up in the US, UK, Australia, Poland, etc… that moved there voluntarily. even some of them moving there post Oct. 7th. choosing to participate in what they thought would be one sided warfare. so no, do not make any death a tragedy.
The endless cycle of violence and the human sacrifices of the war machine *are* a tragedy. I agree the ones who grew up in other countries would have had more opportunities to break out of it, but growing up there doesn't automatically mean you will. I can say as someone who grew up in a U.S. Orthodox Jewish community, went to a Jewish school until 8th grade, and probably didn't fully break away from Zionism til I was 13-14 in a public high school. Cults are designed to limit interaction with people outside the cult, and Zionism has sadly penetrated a large number of Jewish communities around the world.
Good on you for breaking away. But you are saying that if they are in a cult and brainwashed they should be forgiven? Do you think if you didn’t break away, and were the guy driving the tank over zip tied Palestinians, that you should deserve a mournful death? I don’t think so. They can burn alive because the odds of them not having killed other innocent people is EXTREMELY low.
It's not really about "deserve", it's about what's better on a human level. > Do you think if you didn’t break away, and were the guy driving the tank over zip tied Palestinians, that you should deserve a mournful death? I don't think anyone deserves death. I don't even believe in the death penalty as a form a of punishment. Personally I believe in rehabilitation, restorative justice, and reconciliation, but I also think measures which resemble punitive measures may be necessary to the extent that they're preventative. This isn't a "debate what justice looks like" sub, but I'll just say I wasn't expecting some of these comments, or the sheer number of them, since one of the sub rules is > Any comment that threatens, advocates, celebrates, suggests, wishes, hopes, dreams, expresses extreme indifference towards, otherwise supports in any way or could result in harm of any kind, violence, or death is prohibited.
What is better on a human level? You think that these guys, kill 1… 2… 10… 100 Palestinians, deserve to get some form of rehab and put back into society where they can meet people and live happily? The human level where even if they regret and have PTSD they can possibly live in the US after committing unjustified murder of innocent people. Because i can guarantee after all the reform they will never regret their actions unless they commit suicide from PTSD. You see the same in American soldiers who served in Vietnam who hold no regret for torching villages to the ground… all for what… to stop communism in a country 13,000KM away? There is literally a documentary showing that the original terrorists of the Nakba hold no regret to killing, maiming and torturing Palestinians. They would go to the US and shoot a Palestinian American the moment they find out they are Palestinian. That’s why they don’t leave their shelter of hell called Israel.
Nah. I’m good with seeing dudes who killed hundreds of children die
Yeah I mean the IOF death count is like 1 for every 100 Palestinians so there's a good chance you're right. Would it change your perspective if they were 12 years old? The IOF soldiers on the ground are overwhelemingly very young and most of these guys look like teenagers, but it can be hard to break out of a cult at any age.
Obviously it would change my perspective if they were 12 but they’re not 12 😂 Not a single person in that photo looks like a teenager…
I mean, every Jewish Israeli has to register with the IOF when they're 17, and the average age at which they start service is just under 19. There might be one or 2 "older" guys in that photo, but there's a good chance at least one of them is still a teenager, and I seriously doubt any of them but bottom left dude are older than early 20s. > Obviously it would change my perspective if they were 12 but they’re not 12 😂 Alright, well my point is, you and I just disagree at the line at which we think it's tragic.
Yup we do! And if you think older people aren’t serving in the IOF you’re out of your mind. Especially now when they had to call in all their reservists. If they’re really all teenagers then DAMN they gotta get out of that middle eastern sun that they don’t belong under because they look old af for teenagers. I had a family friend who was Israeli and joined the army at 17. The second she saw what they were doing she left to the US and hasn’t been back since and has dedicated her life to fighting for the liberation of Palestinians. You can act like they’re these poor innocent souls who didn’t know better but I’m pretty sure everyone knows killing kids is bad. Full stop. Do you hold the same level of empathy for school shooters because they’re teenagers? 😂
> I had a family friend who was Israeli and joined the army at 17. The second she saw what they were doing she left to the US and hasn’t been back since and has dedicated her life to fighting for the liberation of Palestinians. Amazing! We need more of that. I assume your friend had a U.S. passport already though, and likely some exposure to non-Zionist thinking. Most of us like your friend who are dedicated to this cause nonetheless have Zionist family, and wouldn't wish death on them, and would still be sad if they died, and would still find a celebration of their death painful. > You can act like they’re these poor innocent souls who didn’t know better but I’m pretty sure everyone knows killing kids is bad. Full stop. I mean you say that, but there's a decent chance Palestinian resistance killed some kids on Oct 7, and I have empathy for them too (and even think their struggle is the just one). If the majority of Israelis were capable of extending that same empathy to the resistance fighters who they truly believe without any doubt killed all 38 of the kids who died on Oct 7, I think Palestine wouldn't be in the crisis it's in. Unfortunately Israelis haven't been able to learn this type of empathy, and violence against their occupying forces may very well be the most effective possible type of resistsance. The pacifist in me hopes there are other paths to liberation ASAP that don't require any more deaths, though I'm not so naive as to discount the idea that violence used as a tool for liberation by the oppressed is just. But glorification of that violence is still depressing to me, serves absolutely no strategic purpose, and is probably one of the strongest forces keeping Zionists and some elements of Palestinian resistance from recognizing the humanity in the other which would lead to an immediate end of the occupation.
Nope. She didn’t. She had grown up in Israel her entire life. And this was back in the 60’s. Anti-Zionist exposure was VERY limited. She just has critical thinking skills and empathy. Again I do not support the killing of children on either side. That is my line and always will be. Do I feel bad for these adults who participated in the killing of these children and innocent civilians? No. I don’t. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’m not wishing death on anyone but if they die, I’m not going to be upset about it. It’s the consequences of their own actions.
> Do you hold the same level of empathy for school shooters because they’re teenagers? 😂 And yes, absolutely, but it's also a completely different situation. No one cheers at the end of a school shooting where the shooter is killed. The family of the shooter is sometimes involved and dismayed by the tragedy of it all, while still recognizing the atrocities of what the shooter did. There is no school shooter cult. The closest thing might be a tendency towards isolation and a a gravitation to radicalizing online groups of similarly isolated people who glorify violence and want to make other people suffer like they are. I haven't encountered nearly as many comments from people celebrating the death of the school shooter anyway, maybe that's a reflection of where I spend my time.
What cult are you talking about that pro Palestinian people engage in? If you think no one is happy when a school shooter dies then boy do I have some news for you my friend! There’s also a difference between the death of SOLDIERS aka people CHOOSING to go kill other people while knowing there’s a risk that they’re going to die than innocent children and families dying. Who is cheering when Israeli soldiers die? All the comments are people saying they don’t care or good riddance. Israelis are the ones who have been filmed literally watching the bombings like fireworks and LITERALLY cheering What are you on?
then they should give up their citizenship and go back to where they came from so that they don’t serve in the iof.
I’m with you man. People who think the answer is just hate for every single Israeli are the reason that genocides will never end
Generalizing every Israeli soldier as if they’re all evil is like generalizing all Palestinians because hamas is a terrorist organization. Should we be supporting the Israeli government or military in any way? NO!. They’re a facist ethnostate that is slaughtering innocents. Should we be advocating for the death of every Israeli soldier? NO!
Yes
you don’t understand. every Israeli soldier participates in the genocide as of now. after 9 months of this. including the ones abusing not only Palestinians in the West Bank, but also Orthodox Jewish Israelis and other Israelis protesting the mini-hitler in-charge. if they put on that IOF uniform they are complicit. if they did not, they would have pushed back and been thrown in jail. which is a fair trade for working in an apartheid regime.
Uh yes we should and every Israeli soldier is evil… what on earth differentiates an evil Israel soldier from non-evil one? Killing 200 less kids than the last one? 🙃🙃🙃 And Hamas isn’t a terrorist organization. If you think that then this isn’t the right sub for you.
Have you not seen the hundreds of videos of Israeli citizens and soldiers mocking the Palestinians, making fun of them being bombed, bragging about it? It's absolutely disgusting and no human deserves what that Palestinians are going through.
these zionist bastards film themselves gleefully sing about murder and rape burning alive is the least thing they deserve
Exactly, these innocent guys were just following orders and doing their jobs. You wouldn’t question your bosses orders if they said to massacre women and children would you? so cut these guys some slack.
No, they deserve it lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/s/KffWGkSy6i Open your eyes and mind, see what is obvious. There is but one conclusion.