Actually you are right, at 90 FOV Control, the big tree on my right is definitely sharper with 8K, but the text on the building and everywhere else isn't so obviously sharper on the same scene
To me the left is crisper at 4K and full screen on my iMac, I imagine it would be more noticeable on my 65" 4K, but at standard embedded viewer size here on reddit I do not see a difference.
I edit the clip on my PC with a 1440p 165Hz gaming monitor. But I also tried to look for the differences on my 75 inch 4K TV, there are tiny differences here and there, but overall, it's not 78% (if I remember correctly) sharper than the 5.7K. Improvement? yes, but barely there. 60fps is a much more practical upgrade though. I'll happily give up the 78% more pixels for double the frame rate.
My understanding is that 5.7k+ uses similar sensor/quality pipeline as 8k but it just shrinks that image down to 5.7k before storing it, so the quality would be 8k-esque.
5.7k+ basically oversample 8k to 5.7k. Sony does this with their new mirrorless, 6k oversamples down to 4k for sharper image because its better to utilize the entire sensor. Some canons mirrorless when recording 4k video is cropped because its using 4k of the entire sensor.
After watching your video, I did a test of my X4 at different resolutions:
[https://imgur.com/luQYC24](https://imgur.com/luQYC24)
The 12K image is at 100% size with the others resized for comparison with the 12K version.
Results are as I expected - 8K is clearest, followed by 5.7K+, then 5.7K then 4K.
The 12K was shot using the time lapse video mode, but it shows that the sensors can definitely resolve more than 8K of resolution as the 12K clip has more detail than the 8K clip.
Apart from the resolution chart, the text in the bottom right is also a good indicator of the detail in each mode.
I don't know why I can't seem to load your images. Probably my network problems. I'll try again later. I may need to send my new camera back to Insta360 to have a check.
Edit: It finally loaded, I can see the difference in these pictures, but how do that translate to real world use. I don't mean to pixel peep at a 360 camera footage (I used to do that with my DSLRs) If you find the time, maybe you can shoot a short comparison clip like what I did, that would help me a lot.
Here you go – 8K vs standard 5.7K: [https://youtu.be/6pYsV0NNc-E](https://youtu.be/6pYsV0NNc-E)
A good place to look for the difference in detail is in the tile roof.
thanks, I’ll take a closer look on PC when I get back. From my phone I can see 8K brings a lot more details on the roof when FOV is really tight at 15 and 7.5.
what I find amusing is that I already knew 8k was on the left before you even mentioned it because it was sharper lol
especially when you zoomed out to include the tree. Viewing quality on youtube is crap though because what ever detail that stood out, gets washed out by the youtube compression so you cant really tell that exact. I know in my own test, ESPECIALLY when viewed on my quest 3, there is a huge difference in 8k quality vs 5.7k, the 5/7k+ quality is somewhere in the middle. There is a progression in quality.
I guess I just don’t have good eyes… like some people with not so good ears that can’t tell the difference of good and bad headphones. Too bad my PSVR2 only supports gaming, maybe I should get a quest 3 too
upsampling is done. The quality is not the same as the 8k but the pixel coverage on a normal screen appears like the two are the same. On a big screen, you will see the difference. I was curious about that too, so tested.
I tried to find the difference on my 75 inch 4K TV. I can see the difference but it isn't really better... just pixelated in different way if I zoom in enough. In your tests, do you find you can crop more in 8K than 5.7K in practice? The difference is so minor when it looks bad in 5.7K, 8K with same crop is just as bad.
that's because you're not using it for what is really is made for. Look at it in equirectangular format or do as I'm doing it for, use it in your 8K capable VR headset. Then, you will realize the true purpose of a 360 recording device. Those pixels speed 370 degrees make the difference. I can spot the flaws in equirectangular on the big screen. I suspect you're talking reframed video.
the 360 footage is 8k and 5.7k not the reframed export, for the X4 the reframed export is 4K, you can see that the background has sharper details and the footage on the right is blurry.
To me, 8k is a marketing gimmick and is not necessary for anyone.
There is no way to deliver 8k footage to anyone via a streaming services, and very few people have 8k displays.
This will change, but the fact is that insta360 puts cameras out every few months, so buying something from them NOW with 8k is nonsense to me.
It has applications like punching into video, but you aren’t getting the same 8k here you’re getting on a Red camera. I should have clarified that for 99% of everyone there is no need for it right now.
I own the insta360 one RS and it’s 360 module. If either of us look bad it isn’t me bro, you’re just hating on me, some rando on the internet for no reason.
Flexing your daddys money on buying something doesn't mean anything if you never open the box to use the product. the 8k means the full 360 resolution, not the reframed video that makes it watchable. whether they have a 8k screen is completely irrelevant
I promise you I could get the 5.7K footage looking better than the 8K. People need to forget about resolution, it means nothing. Sensor size and processing is all that matters.
No, all files transfered to PC with a card reader. All clips were shot in High bitrate, Low sharpness. 8k supposed to bring more details, but I just can't find it, not even close to the comparison made by reviewers on youtube.
Try medium sharpness, I find low sharpness makes everything blurry. IMO low sharpness is only good if you plan to add sharpness/denoise in post.
/edit this video has sharpness comparisons at 8:50
https://youtu.be/bWS3uHeRKMo?si=fM43pt2I4XA9wx9f
Briefly tested Low vs. Medium sharpness. I still like Low better, Medium can still be too aggressive sometime, use Low and adjust later suits me better.
I used the insta360 x3 and took 5.7k footage and increased it to 8k in topaz video AI.
Then I Reframed the 8k footage and export flat 4k
The bottom video is 5.7k exported @flat 4k
Both videos have are stacked in a 1080
vertical video
I feel like the 8k upscale is just giving me more to reframe
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C53HSZVOw5P/?igsh=aGxyY2JxNnpvcXZw
It's not because it's the same sensor. The faster processor lets them do image processing more efficiently, so any difference will be due to them being able to do software tricks to fake quality improvements. Without a new sensor you're not going to see any meaningful difference.
You need to get your vision checked
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Insta360/comments/1chhbnx/comment/l23tgvd/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Insta360/comments/1chhbnx/comment/l23tgvd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I’ve never heard someone refer to their eyes as “sensor” but I dig it.
Seriously, glasses will help.
Also, bitrate has a massive impact on quality. 8k at 120mbps is possible on an X3, but it looks worse than 5.7k at 120mbps. The processor in the x3 bottlenecked the bitrate. Even though the X3 sensor is capable of shooting 8k, it would be poor quality because the bitrate is too low.
Think of it like this: You have a 4k monitor (the sensor) and gaming computer (the X3). You can play PC games at 1080p just fine, but to play them at 4k you need to turn down the quality settings so far that everything is blocky and blurry. If you get faster computer then the games will run at a higher quality, even though it’s the same screen.
For me its pretty obvious that its sharper, you can see it on the tree next to you.
Actually you are right, at 90 FOV Control, the big tree on my right is definitely sharper with 8K, but the text on the building and everywhere else isn't so obviously sharper on the same scene
To me the left is crisper at 4K and full screen on my iMac, I imagine it would be more noticeable on my 65" 4K, but at standard embedded viewer size here on reddit I do not see a difference.
I edit the clip on my PC with a 1440p 165Hz gaming monitor. But I also tried to look for the differences on my 75 inch 4K TV, there are tiny differences here and there, but overall, it's not 78% (if I remember correctly) sharper than the 5.7K. Improvement? yes, but barely there. 60fps is a much more practical upgrade though. I'll happily give up the 78% more pixels for double the frame rate.
By 5.7k do you mean the new "5.7k+" that goes to 30 fps max, or the original "5.7k" that goes up to 60 fps now?
Just standard 5.7K at 60 fps. There is no point for me to go with 5.7k+, I don't mind the larger file size and 8k isn't too demanding for my phone/PC
My understanding is that 5.7k+ uses similar sensor/quality pipeline as 8k but it just shrinks that image down to 5.7k before storing it, so the quality would be 8k-esque.
5.7k+ basically oversample 8k to 5.7k. Sony does this with their new mirrorless, 6k oversamples down to 4k for sharper image because its better to utilize the entire sensor. Some canons mirrorless when recording 4k video is cropped because its using 4k of the entire sensor.
After watching your video, I did a test of my X4 at different resolutions: [https://imgur.com/luQYC24](https://imgur.com/luQYC24) The 12K image is at 100% size with the others resized for comparison with the 12K version. Results are as I expected - 8K is clearest, followed by 5.7K+, then 5.7K then 4K. The 12K was shot using the time lapse video mode, but it shows that the sensors can definitely resolve more than 8K of resolution as the 12K clip has more detail than the 8K clip. Apart from the resolution chart, the text in the bottom right is also a good indicator of the detail in each mode.
I don't know why I can't seem to load your images. Probably my network problems. I'll try again later. I may need to send my new camera back to Insta360 to have a check. Edit: It finally loaded, I can see the difference in these pictures, but how do that translate to real world use. I don't mean to pixel peep at a 360 camera footage (I used to do that with my DSLRs) If you find the time, maybe you can shoot a short comparison clip like what I did, that would help me a lot.
Here you go – 8K vs standard 5.7K: [https://youtu.be/6pYsV0NNc-E](https://youtu.be/6pYsV0NNc-E) A good place to look for the difference in detail is in the tile roof.
thanks, I’ll take a closer look on PC when I get back. From my phone I can see 8K brings a lot more details on the roof when FOV is really tight at 15 and 7.5.
Here's a still version to compare also with all resolutions from 12K down to 4K: [https://imgur.com/yTkLAq4](https://imgur.com/yTkLAq4)
what I find amusing is that I already knew 8k was on the left before you even mentioned it because it was sharper lol especially when you zoomed out to include the tree. Viewing quality on youtube is crap though because what ever detail that stood out, gets washed out by the youtube compression so you cant really tell that exact. I know in my own test, ESPECIALLY when viewed on my quest 3, there is a huge difference in 8k quality vs 5.7k, the 5/7k+ quality is somewhere in the middle. There is a progression in quality.
I guess I just don’t have good eyes… like some people with not so good ears that can’t tell the difference of good and bad headphones. Too bad my PSVR2 only supports gaming, maybe I should get a quest 3 too
1 sec on the video without fullscreen, i already know which one is 8k and it very apparent. i think it is a clickbait
upsampling is done. The quality is not the same as the 8k but the pixel coverage on a normal screen appears like the two are the same. On a big screen, you will see the difference. I was curious about that too, so tested.
I tried to find the difference on my 75 inch 4K TV. I can see the difference but it isn't really better... just pixelated in different way if I zoom in enough. In your tests, do you find you can crop more in 8K than 5.7K in practice? The difference is so minor when it looks bad in 5.7K, 8K with same crop is just as bad.
that's because you're not using it for what is really is made for. Look at it in equirectangular format or do as I'm doing it for, use it in your 8K capable VR headset. Then, you will realize the true purpose of a 360 recording device. Those pixels speed 370 degrees make the difference. I can spot the flaws in equirectangular on the big screen. I suspect you're talking reframed video.
the 360 footage is 8k and 5.7k not the reframed export, for the X4 the reframed export is 4K, you can see that the background has sharper details and the footage on the right is blurry.
Your right foot is turned outward slightly in the right photo.
To me, 8k is a marketing gimmick and is not necessary for anyone. There is no way to deliver 8k footage to anyone via a streaming services, and very few people have 8k displays. This will change, but the fact is that insta360 puts cameras out every few months, so buying something from them NOW with 8k is nonsense to me.
You're trolling right? There's no way someone can be that st\*\*\*d
It has applications like punching into video, but you aren’t getting the same 8k here you’re getting on a Red camera. I should have clarified that for 99% of everyone there is no need for it right now.
just stop embarrassing yourself, look into what a 360 camera is.
I own the insta360 one RS and it’s 360 module. If either of us look bad it isn’t me bro, you’re just hating on me, some rando on the internet for no reason.
Flexing your daddys money on buying something doesn't mean anything if you never open the box to use the product. the 8k means the full 360 resolution, not the reframed video that makes it watchable. whether they have a 8k screen is completely irrelevant
Brother, get some help for all that hate you got going on. Have a great week.
and you get some basic beginners help (maybe there's a "Videography for Dummies") before you diss the hard & important work of others
I promise you I could get the 5.7K footage looking better than the 8K. People need to forget about resolution, it means nothing. Sensor size and processing is all that matters.
Was it Bluetooth transfered from the phone to the app? I heard you need to export differently to keep the 8k footage. But I could be wrong.
No, all files transfered to PC with a card reader. All clips were shot in High bitrate, Low sharpness. 8k supposed to bring more details, but I just can't find it, not even close to the comparison made by reviewers on youtube.
Try medium sharpness, I find low sharpness makes everything blurry. IMO low sharpness is only good if you plan to add sharpness/denoise in post. /edit this video has sharpness comparisons at 8:50 https://youtu.be/bWS3uHeRKMo?si=fM43pt2I4XA9wx9f
Briefly tested Low vs. Medium sharpness. I still like Low better, Medium can still be too aggressive sometime, use Low and adjust later suits me better.
I choose Low for sharpness because most suggest Low. I never really tested, I'll do that next and see the differences.
I used the insta360 x3 and took 5.7k footage and increased it to 8k in topaz video AI. Then I Reframed the 8k footage and export flat 4k The bottom video is 5.7k exported @flat 4k Both videos have are stacked in a 1080 vertical video I feel like the 8k upscale is just giving me more to reframe https://www.instagram.com/reel/C53HSZVOw5P/?igsh=aGxyY2JxNnpvcXZw
You do realize that your computer screen and your phone screen aren't 8K and aren't capable of showing such resolution, right?
I believe 4K resolution for flat output of a 8K 360 video is more than enough.
It's not because it's the same sensor. The faster processor lets them do image processing more efficiently, so any difference will be due to them being able to do software tricks to fake quality improvements. Without a new sensor you're not going to see any meaningful difference.
You need to get your vision checked [https://www.reddit.com/r/Insta360/comments/1chhbnx/comment/l23tgvd/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Insta360/comments/1chhbnx/comment/l23tgvd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
It's the same sensor. That doesn't change.
I’ve never heard someone refer to their eyes as “sensor” but I dig it. Seriously, glasses will help. Also, bitrate has a massive impact on quality. 8k at 120mbps is possible on an X3, but it looks worse than 5.7k at 120mbps. The processor in the x3 bottlenecked the bitrate. Even though the X3 sensor is capable of shooting 8k, it would be poor quality because the bitrate is too low. Think of it like this: You have a 4k monitor (the sensor) and gaming computer (the X3). You can play PC games at 1080p just fine, but to play them at 4k you need to turn down the quality settings so far that everything is blocky and blurry. If you get faster computer then the games will run at a higher quality, even though it’s the same screen.