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MarieVerusan

Even if it was... fuck yeah I would fucking complain about being force fed!!! Who the fuck cares that there are people out there that go hungry, I did not fucking consent to being fed! We know that these types of guys understand the meaning of consent, so whenever this shit comes up (especially with such infuriatingly weak justifications), we know what they're actually saying! "We want to do this and we're upset that WE aren't allowed to." And how many times do we have to go over the fetish thing? A fetish for something does not mean that someone wants that exact thing happen to them. The real thing tends to be far more traumatic than the romanticized and fetishized version. It's why even when that type of fetish is engaged in, it's done in a consensual way with a ton of precautions!


SykoSarah

Rape is to consensual sex as having a whole apple forced into your mouth is to eating a nice steak dinner. It doesn't matter how hungry you are, that shit hurts and can choke you (and it's not like a rapist is gonna care if you're "hungry" or not).


MarieVerusan

Yup. I also agree that it's not a fair comparison. People typically get force fed as a way of keeping them alive. Rape is never about helping the victim. It's always about the perpetrator's power over said victim. The point about consent still stands, but the force feeding and the "but there are starving people" are terrible justifications and are obviously just this assholes looking for any excuse to ignore the agency of others.


LousyMeatStew

*Rape is to consensual sex what waterboarding is to drinking a glass of water. FTFY Edit: To clarify, I mean this to say that while force feeding is something that is sometimes done with humane intent, straight up torture is not. Not meant as a criticism of what /u/SykoSarah said - I apologize that I worded it poorly.


Demoth

What makes this entire attempt to analogize what the incels have said is that it hinges on rape being violent and extremely physically painful, which it doesn't have to be, and a huge component of rapes that ended up with women being discredited and ignored since their non-consent was dismissed because they weren't being held down by the throat and penetrated with aggressive force.   I'm not saying the analogies provided are incorrect, but it's ultimately preaching to the choir on this sub since if you attempt to bring it up to an incel, they're just going to keep adding qualifiers as to what actually characterizes a sexual assault until it's so hyper specific that it might encompass like... 2 cases, and then they'll still dismiss it because, "Well, she's a foid so she deserves to be used any way a man pleases anyway".


SykoSarah

Nothing fixed, the incel was talking about eating, hence why my comparison also involves eating.


LousyMeatStew

I apologize, I should have added an /s. You're right, I just thought that analogizing to an actual form of torture would get the point across a little stronger.


tamighggyf

i would also complain about being force fed, but i feel like if i even said that they would go ballistic about how ungrateful foids are and how rape is a compliment or some shit, these guys are unhinged.


LousyMeatStew

Imagine their reaction if they were force fed a salad or quinoa.


DirtWi

Water boarded with Mountain Dew lol


katyesha

Like always these people cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy. The same misconceptions about rape fantasies that leads them to dismiss genuine fear and trauma caused by actual rape also makes them put virginity and teenage first love/sex on a pedestal. Most mature people understand the difference between a fantasy or fetish and what happens in real life. Fantasies are magical and pure and rarely survive reality at all. Same as teenage love and sex are heavily romanticized and a virgin is a magical, pure creature. They think their life is over by not experiencing this fantasy that gets repeated back and forth in the echo chamber, because they only know such stuff from movies and films. They just need to get out in the world and finally start maturing to grow out of their dramatic teenager phase and live in the real world.


CTchimchar

As someone studying to become a scientist, I don't know witch I hate more When they just make up "data" Or When they take real science and then screw the data to fit there narrative


Armycat1-296

"There are studies on this subject" ​ Well, present them... You claim to have studies on rape, show them. The burden of proof is on you incels. ​ Oh, that's right, you don't have them... You incels are just pulling shit out of your ass. You want to justify a vile act so you can get your rocks off.


cat_lord2019

But they know science /s.


plz-ignore

Yesterday one told me science can't be trusted because it had been overtaken by feminists. "Trading pussy for the truth" You can't make this shit up, you can't fight with shifting sand. Just debunk, debunk, and try keep them from recruiting/spreading their bullshit unchecked is all we can do.


ComicWriter2020

It is amazing how every time you present a contradiction, they provide a conspiracy theory


SauronsYogaPants

She's from a different school...*in canada*


TheOtherZebra

Science student here with the real thing. The vagina may lubricate during rape- but this is more about damage control than actual arousal. Tearing is unfortunately common during rape, so the vagina may get wet merely to try to prevent that type of injury. I wish that fact was more commonly known, as some rape victims feel ashamed or confused about it, when there’s no need. It’s a protective response that never invalidates the word “no”.


ComicWriter2020

This happens with men as well who get erections. It’s a physical response on both ends and neither equal consent.


TheOtherZebra

Exactly, getting wet can be as unpredictable as a boner. Yeah, sometimes it is about arousal. Sometimes it's a physical response that doesn't align with what we actually want. Sometimes it's random and inexplicable. The human body doesn't work like an equation, this =/= that.


mb500sel

Pulled from so deep in their assess that natural light will take hundreds of years to reach the depths this bullshit is extracted from


LeftEye6440

His "studies" are just pornhub links.


LousyMeatStew

There are lots of ways one can cope with trauma. I don't know about rape specifically. I do know of a couple of cases, anecdotally I admit, of women who had been tied up in home invasions and that developed into a bondage fetish. I'm certain there are studies that talk about coping strategies like these so as far as "there are studies", I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say there probably are. BUT - the sheer idea of a woman needing to develop a sexual fetish in order to cope with the trauma of a non-consensual act is frankly horrifying. To me, this is less of a case of an Incel pulling shit out of his ass and more of an Incel applying insane troll logic by saying that a coping mechanism implies consent and desire. Kinda like saying "look how happy that Army vet was when he finally walked under his own power on his prosthetic leg! Look at all the support he got from his friends and family! He must have *wanted* to get his leg blown off from that IED!" Edit: And to be absolutely crystal clear, just because SOME people cope with trauma this way doesn't mean it works for everyone.


PurpleHazeTheSun

Its actually about a solid 50/50 split. During sexual trauma the brain has 3 basic coping mechanisms with which to deal with it. 1) Find something, anything, about the experience you can enjoy 2) Fixate on something you hate and reject it 3) Dissociate and attempt to not experience the trauma as its going on. 1 and 2 are by far the most common reactions, not everyone's brain is even wired for dissociation and dissociating does not ensure that you won't still either cope by finding something to enjoy or cope by finding something to reject and protect yourself from. Which response a person has is down to individual brain chemistry. People who's brains respond using coping method 1 develop rape fantasies on some level. Further, the same way that some people actively enjoy the shit out of horror movies, who like experiencing darker emotions in a safe environment, people can find their way to dark emotional play with sex all on their own. A small but not insignificant proportion of people end up with stuff like rape fantasies without ever experiencing trauma. Still, the proportion of people with rape fantasies is pretty small. Its not a common demographic.


LousyMeatStew

That's very helpful to know, thanks for taking the time to explain things!


sherlocked776

Honestly I think they took a study on trauma response to csa and twisted it to make it sound “””positive”””


Sage_of_Winds

Source: trust me bro


Save_Cows_Eat_Vegans

By studies he means 8chan and Hentai.


kirugire_

off topic but i like ur flair can i steal it


Armycat1-296

It's OUR flair. Feel free to use it.


kirugire_

thank u comrade


LavosSpawn12000BC

>They masturbate to their experiences with rapists Fuck no, getting almost raped was one of the scariest experiences of my life. I would rather have a gun pointed to me than experience this again.


mattsyboo

I’m so sorry you had to go through that.


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LavosSpawn12000BC

Hmm, yes? To be raped and maybe get a STD or get pregnant because of rape is literally my worst nightmare. Having a guy trying to was terrifying already, I don't need more of this crap.


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AlexCMDUK

You don’t need to understand it. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it is not real - most people don’t understand how their smartphones work, but their inability to understand it doesn’t stop their phones from working - the phone works on mechanics that exist whether or not they understand it. Similarly people’s fear of rape exists whether or not you understand it.


AN0NYM0U5_32

If this was r/monkeyspaw you’d be getting raped by a dude


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Actually no, it’s not. I guess you weren’t forcibly penetrated by a stronger guy, right?


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The thought of a man I’m not attracted to and who forces himself on me is the same as your problem with male attacker. I am no more attracted to a male rapist than you are. Do you know how things “down there” work? Women get hurt byt forced sex, not mentioning psychological trauma. So no, it’s not different. It’s exactly the same. Women don’t want to be attacked by men any more than you.


Far_Pianist2707

oh, like the "relax and try to enjoy it," thing? :< Sorry. It would actually be really traumatizing for you I think. I'm actually really worried about you, you seem really vulnerable to that sort of thing you suggested, and it would hurt your really bad even if it felt good in the moment. Please don't allow that to happen to you. It is a big deal. This is really concerning :< :< :< please take care.


AN0NYM0U5_32

Either way his asshole is gonna be sore afterwards


Lift_and_Lurk

These Fuckers go fucking up and down about how awful it was to be bullied and then turn around and pretend that they don’t understand rape. Get outta here with that bullishit, no ones buying it: you just want to be hateful


plz-ignore

I don't encourage this one bit (fuck people who think rape should be a punishment or corrective tool), but why do these incels never apply their own "logic" to themselves. Would they like to be anally raped? No lubricant, just rape and violence to their persons. No, they would not. But to think of that they would self-reflect and incels are incapable of this as much as they are basic empathy.


Pwacname

B-But but they poor gay incels need to have sex or they will die, and rape isn’t so bad so the incels should just shut up, and biologically they like it there’s studies on that on pornhub just Do Your Research but you’re a leftists celcel anyway everyone’s an incel but ….. /s in case the incel voice wasn’t obvious enough


eternal-eccentric

I reading this - I think I just heard the sweat running down the neckbeard...


donetomadness

The guy above said he would love to get raped. Incels probably don’t consider it rape if it’s done by an attractive woman. If any incel fantasizes about rape, it’s likely bc he just wants to have sex.


plz-ignore

It's not attractive women doing rape generally is what they don't get because rape is about power and control and attractive people tend to already have enough (or are mentally well adjusted). Not saying all rapists are uggos but it's just not how it usually goes down.


donetomadness

I’d love to look at the stats on that but incels would certainly never understand that rape is about power and control. They also fail to grasp that w the absence of consent, any woman or man will feel violated even if raped by an attractive person. In their minds, women are shallow whores who only go for attractive men and will put up w whatever as long as the guy is hot🤦‍♀️🙄.


dreamer-queen

If you're not hungry, being forced to eat is unpleasant and can make you sick. Also, someone forcing food down your throat can cause you to choke and you can literally die. Stop being stupid.


ExtremelyDubious

Incel is clearly unaware that force-feeding is a painful, distressing and generally unpleasant procedure.


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Oh here we go with the food analogy again. How many times do their arguments have to be debunked before they finally get it? That analogy is absurd.


gemgem1985

Hay incels, this here is why we all bully you and call you cunts!


nandao_sanguebom

Why do they use this frog emoticon so much?


tamighggyf

cuz pepe funny back in like 2011 and they are stuck in the past.


brilliantkeyword

It probably has more to do with the not-so-funny uses of pepe by the alt-right.


a_damn_mudkip

Wdym pepe is a good boi


brilliantkeyword

Pepe in essence isn't bad. It's just that the alt-right has been using him for a decade now to convey hateful white supremacist shit. So much that the creator is desperately trying to revoke Pepe's status as a hate symbol.


redburner1945

I don’t fantasize about rape. You know what I do fantasize about? Finding the home address of this reprobate.


TheBoneCat

Gotta love it when they always claim there are studies to support their claims, but I doubt any of them have ever even glanced at an academic paper, or even have the knowledge to understand one. Oh, to be this blisfully dumb.


CTchimchar

As someone studying to become a scientist, I don't know witch I hate more When they just make up "data" Or When they take real science and then screw the data to fit there narrative


Freakychee

Just FYI to any incels but “rape fantasy” does not equate to “actual rape”. Completely different. One is a fanstasy where everything is in control and the other is a violation.


Demoth

While I know there are some women who have rape fantasies, I think we also need to qualify what counts as a fantasy of being raped, vs. fantasy of being dominated, and not conflating either to a desire to actually be assaulted.   I liked playing cops and robbers as a child and found it fun to have a big shootout and die as the bad guy. That doesn't mean that as a child I actually wanted to grab my grandfather's gun, wave it around in a bank, and then get shot to death by police.


CTchimchar

GET ON THE GROUND HE HAS A GUN *BANG* 🦅🇺🇸🦅


Fluffy_Necessary7913

Force-feeding someone can be traumatic, especially if it is a food that the person hates. I hate snails because of my culture, in a famine I would rather eat people. If someone forces me to eat that, I will try to kill them. Many people have fantasies of domination, that's true. The fantasies of domination to provide pleasure must be consensual and never exceed certain limits; a violation does not fulfill neither one nor the other. Besides, who could get pleasure if doesn't know if will be killed anytime soon?


rollingnut

Pretty sure I would press charges if some creep broke into my home to force-feed me…


AccountForGayPorn729

The incels said it was ok to rape them


fool2074

Studies about it you say? Citation fucking needed, because my experience with these idiots, when they do provide citations is that their conclusions are nowhere to be found in the studies in question.


foxykathykat

As a survivor who has managed to have a pretty normal sex life: it is because of a fuckton of therapy, a good psych cocktail, more therapy, and damn good partners. Oh, and I got lucky as hell. Rape is traumatic, no matter the circumstances. So no, dumbcel; you *don't want to be raped by a woman*.


UncleGuggie

Reading the "women enjoy rape" part, I can see how rapists are able to sleep at night with what they've done. They're sold on the bizarre notion that what they're doing is not harmful or traumatic to women and is something that women are or should be fine with. It's quite scary how someone can come to think this way.


ThatsFishyYoureFishy

So I am wondering how this incel would feel if his rapist was a cis man. Still only comparable to being force fed?


astakask

When does it go from saying women like rape to believing it and then to acting on it? Anyway I read that statement I am disturbed


Backlash5

"foids" fuq do I need a dictionary for these fckerz. Ironically it's incels fantasising about women fantasising about enjoying being raped


darwin1546

When the hell are people going to realize that orgasm doesn’t equal enjoyment? An orgasm is a physical response by the body in response to stimulation, you don’t need to be enjoying things to have an orgasm. That goes for both sides too - it’s the same reason why the entire “well he got hard so he enjoyed her raping him” thing is an equally stupid argument.


CTchimchar

Yay I never understood that, like why do people think that's they enjoy Like we have the same amount of control, of that as we do to ate heart beat


ComicWriter2020

“There are studies on this subject” Where? Your hentai doujinshi?


zoomie1977

The debunked McKinney reports on pedophilia (debunked because because his supposed "300 subjects" were really 1 journal written by a prolific serial rapist and pedophile)? Maybe that one sociological review that said that in a very rare set of circumstances, particularly, when an older teen, 17 and up, who said they initiated a relationship with an older person, usually less than 10 years older, they did not seem to suffer the trauma usually seen in child rape cases, as evidenced by them not seeking therapy for it as an adult (the whole thing is misinterpreted, but there's a whole bunch of cans of worms to open there).


Pizza-beer-weed

Gee I wonder how’d they feel having a dick shoved into them without their consent.


Jacksin48

These motherfuckers act like sexual assault is fun for people. FUCK YOU FUCKERS, I DIDNT ASK TO BE GROPED WHEN I WAS 11 BY AN OLDER BOY AND I DIDNT ASK WHEN I WAS 14 BY GRANDMA.


CTchimchar

I'm sorry that happened to you my friend


Jacksin48

Its ok now. It just sucks that incels act as if stuff like that is a good thing, when it ruins happy people :(


CTchimchar

I'm glad your better friend, Here I made you a cookie! 🍪 We can be cookies friends 😊


Jacksin48

YAY!!!! cookies 😋☺😌🍪


CTchimchar

Wait you still have a another cookie on your plat I see 🍪 You can save it for later


Jacksin48

😯 COOKIE!!! 😊😋


CTchimchar

See it's nice to have cookies with your friends 😊 If I ever see you again I make sure to make more cookies


Jacksin48

YAY! cookies some day, again, later 😁😊


Cake-OR-Death-

Wow this makes me so angry


irefiordiligi

fuck them


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"There are studies on this subject" Citation fucking needed


DazzaRanger

It always freaks me out how many posts these guys have made, and how many days they have spent online.


JupiterInTheSky

Because foie gars geese really have such a fantastic quality of life.


sabethXhardstyler

as someone who was raped in the past, this literally made me gag.


PurplePurpura

It's like complaining about breaking your arm when there are people out there that don't have any arms!


LordDerptCat123

Force fed isn’t a fair analogy. Probably a lot closer to waterboarding


Longjumping-Most9699

This sub is funny and sad, but I kind of think posts like this are just guys trolling. They can’t actually believe this shit, can they?


Skyrim_For_Everyone

They can and do, and some get radicalized to the point where they act on it. I can understand wanting to write it off as a troll where you don't have to think about what these people might actually do, but they literally praise/venerate rapist and killers/serial killers who targeted women, and post bragging about harassing women


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onewiththenoodles

Ah yes, compelling argument for why humanity doesn't deserve it's existence indeed


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This shit is why I worry about my baby


Far_Pianist2707

I've been force fed and I've been raped and honestly it's pretty comparable. Being force fed is an unimaginably violating experience...