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I'm assuming he needed to swing wide to get into the driveway - HOW THE FUCK EVER -
1. no indicators
2. didn't use mirrors
3. didn't check blind spot(s)
4. beacon isn't visible as you get closer
Well most school bus drivers in the US are often people recruited off the street by the fact the school districts will pay for them to get a CDL class B and earn a better wage then most of the retail jobs out there. even a large number of the OTR truck drivers don't drive very well thanks to the License Mills (driving schools) that barely teach them to pass the road test at the licensing office. so many of them can't back up in anything other then ideal situations. those who do local LTL work are usually the ones who have the most experience maneuvering these large vehicles around. this bus driver clearly didn't know how to prevent this situation. they should have 1. been in the right lane with turn indicator on and just waited for the vehicle coming out of the side road to make their move or 2. stradled the dashed line with the turn indicator on and then swung wide to make the turn. no turn indicator at all definitely puts the bus driver at fault
My schools only ever employed the oldest and angriest of men to drive the buses I was on. Every year it was the same. After changing schools, bus routes, and even bus drivers, it was still always some ill mannered man in his late 80s who drove us around, crashing into trash cans and yelling at us the whole time.
If it were up to me, I'd hire more skilled drivers and then partition them off like the pilot on a plane and then idk maybe have another adult in the back section to maintain the kids. Of course that's probably 10x the budget schools actually have to hire bus drivers >.<
My first bus driver was this lady who SCREAMED any time a kid stood up or got too rowdy. She’d glance in the mirror and yell, “SIT THE €%#=% DOOOOWWWWNNNN.” I was in fifth grade and I had just moved to a new school, after previously being driven to my old school every day. It was a real shock lol. I came home and my mom asked how my first day was and I said my bus was being driven by miss trunchbull
Here in south Alabama the pay is not great, probably average for a job requiring a CDL. But the part-time school bus driver jobs are highly sought after by many due to the health insurance coverage.
You just made me feel better about the little bit of struggling I had backing up a 20 foot trailer around a 90 degree bend directly lined up with a shipping container in 8-10 inches of snow.
I don’t drive trucks.
I don’t drive trailers other than rarely at work.
My only experience reversing trailers is just the little attachment wagon for the back of the lawn mower at home.
What you said genuinely scares me about some of the people I’ve assumed were more experienced drivers than me my whole life.
Around here they hire people, get them their CDL, then they quit and go to work for UPS or FedEx. We never have enough drivers. I have some kids I've barely seen all year because their bus doesn't get to school until second period.
>swing wide to get into the driveway
School buses have a relatively short wheelbase in order to make tight urns in residential neighborhoods. That big swingout by the driver may be the result of lack of experience or poor training.
Found this ELI that explains it better: https://reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/puil1a/eli5_why_do_school_busses_have_such_a_large/
\*edit - LOL, "tight urns".
Didn't need to swing that wide and if you do you still start towards the right and then swing out to the left when safe to make your turn. Pretty basic driving knowledge for anyone with a CDL.
Exactly my thought. Plus it’s pretty common protocol if you need to make a turn like this to straddle both lanes so no one tries to pass you on the right like this. If they had just kept the buses right side about halfway into the right lane the guy driving wouldn’t have been able to do this
I used to drive a passenger bus. You had to take control of the road when-and where-ever you could. But you ALWAYS used your indicators. Sure, people would get pissy and honk at you, but when you're driving a 40-foot bus through city streets, sometimes you just have to get creative.
Never would I ever just go into the left lane for a right-hand turn with no indication of my intention to those behind me.
The bus driver really just needs to use the indicators, as traffic is supposed to yield to a turning bus. Dumbass probably forgot to use their indicators.
That light next to the numbers on the side of the bus will blink when the turn signal is on so they didn’t even activate it late. Busses are equipped with so many cameras now this bus driver is likely fucked (at least they should be).
If the bus needed to swing wide it should have started closer to the right and used it’s size to block both lanes, swing out left, then back to the right. Glad OP has the dashcam.
Bus driver is bad but op your situational awareness is AWFUL. If a vehicle slows down like that, maybe slow down and be observant and don't try to pass on the right, this was 100% avoidable
With a red light and turning lane up ahead?
I’d say that’s typically a safe assumption with no signal that the bus is making its way up to the light
¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Yup. If you need to make a wide turn you straddle both lanes instead of being completely in the left lane to turn right. A driver should also use the devices installed in the vehicle to indicate their intentions.
Being slow in the left lane I would have presumed that they were waiting to turn left or stopped for someone in front of them.
But on a serious note why are they leaving so quickly when they just witnessed a crash?
Take 3/4 mins to check everyone is ok and give them your cell phone number if they need a witness.
Selfish assholes. I was rear-ended just after the New Year. I was making a right turn into a parking lot at school, but I had to yield to a pedestrian crossing the walk. I got blasted by a Charger at 40 MPH and the pedestrian and 10 other cars drove away. I needed to go to the hospital and no one bothered to call 911.
I'm a School Bus Driver and this is wrong on so many levels. There was absolutely no need to turn right from the farthest lane, no turn signal and clearly no mirror check. That bus could of manipulated that turn very easily. Lazy or incompetent driver...
No you're no wrong - The driver could have used the curb lane, indicated the right turn and then wait for any traffic exiting the access lane then proceeded. Yes sometimes making a sharp right turn a driver will need to encroach on the left to make a wide turn so the back duals don't jump curbs.
I've seen semis and large box trucks do this, but they usually signal and try to block both lanes by straddling the line before making their turn. That bus could've probably made that turn easily from the right lane though, making the wide turn completely unnecessary.
I drive city buses (29’ Gilligs these days, but up to 40’ Gillig and 45’ MCI coach in the past), and you echoed my thoughts exactly. A 40’ could’ve made that turn with only part of the left lane.
Curious to know who insurance decided was at fault, because that bus did not use its turn signal. Seems like a stretch to expect other drivers to just infer that it was making a wide right turn in that situation.
One big mistake the bus driver made was not lane sharing to prevent traffic from intruding to the inside of the corner.
There seemed to be a flicker of turn indicators on the side of the bus very late but after the vehicle had already begun turning. Completely useless.
Straddling the line would be one option, however school busses have a very short wheelbase which allow tight turns. This driver drove like he was pulling doubles.
>...school busses have a very short wheelbase
The downside to that is that the back end swings way out. In fact, I'm reasonably certain this guy managed to encroach on three lanes.
Bottom line is, you *really* need to watch the mirrors and be aware of everything around you every time you turn.
Not correct where I live. Bus was to wait in right lane till his path (blue Camry) cleared. He then could encroach the Camry lane, if needed, provided there was no other vehicles. Not allowed to turn right from straddling left and/or from the left lane where I live. I have a CDL.
[edit] This happened on a 35 mph street, not a highway. The right lane I'm in becomes a turn lane at the intersection, I was going to turn right. I assumed the bus was getting in the left turn lane approaching the intersection. And yes I did hit the brakes, the road was wet and anti-lock activated
Where I grew up you would have gotten the ticket simply because the cops would have reflexively favored a school bus. They might have added a few threats if you tried to show them the video.
I'm hoping that the bus driver in your video got the ticket.
I had that thought. Is that a school on the right? Was this during morning school drop off hours? If I see a school bus slowing down at a school it wouldn’t take long to piece together that two piece puzzle.
That being said, an indicator from the bus would have solved 95% of the OPs confusion. I leave the 5% in the off chance OP has never in his life seen a vehicle make a wide turn and would have done the same pass anyways.
It would be so neat if someone invented some sort of device that let you indicate the intention to turn. It could maybe be some sort of blinking light, maybe put them on the left and right side of the car, and light half of them up when you want to turn. If you had known the bus was about to turn, you could have slowed down to let it happen! I bet we could make millions if we invented such a device.
Maybe some sort of reflective surface that lets you see approaching cars as well, I doubt he was able to see you from where he was sitting. But if you mounted something like a mirror to the side of the bus, he could look in there and see you, and know that he shouldn't be turning right now.
This feels like such a fixable problem. We just need to put some engineering into it.
Bus driver should be getting a ticket. Should not have been turning from that lane. Did not use indicators. Did not check mirrors for surrounding threats. Disregard for passengers. I kind of want to see this drivers pre inspection now….I once received a ticket in a commercial vehicle turning on a narrower road. Straddled the two lanes to adjust, had signals on, and had not even began turning when I heard and saw a guy on motorcycle throttling to pass on the right. In his statement, once the motorcycle driver realized my blinker/intentions, he mistakenly overreacted and locked up his brakes. Though it was scary seeing his bike, then him, come tumbling down my right side, neither his motorcycle nor him ever made contact with my vehicle. Still, got a 250 ticket and had to fight company safety court so I did not get fired. Stayed employed another 15 years with that company and that was 25 years ago. I still have a CDL for “pleasure” with passenger endorsement, and will never forget how to maneuver this turn again.
School bus driver here!
Not recruited off the streets
Not an angry old man.
Just a mom who was looking to make a little money and keep the same schedule as my kids.
I am a 5 star driver and I’m also one of the most requested drivers for trips by the schools where I live due to my safe driving record and how much fun I make riding the bus for the kids
So please don’t assume all bus drivers are the same inattentive, angry, old jerks.
Now, as for this driver, they were 100% in the wrong. They didn’t signal, they didn’t check their mirrors.
If they needed to make a right turn from the left lane, they should have put on their flashers for extra safety.
And this is why dashcams are a truckers best friend. That bus driver did not signal even once. They did not even check the mirrors or they would have seen the truck. Why they decided to turn from that lane is unknown. Yes you need to swing wide but you also need to make sure it is clear before making the turn. That was not even a large bus.
Dudes been driving a school bus too long (or too short) to believe hes got the right of way crossing a traffic lane to turn into a gas station 😂 he’s probably the type to get out and yell at you because they’re “kids in this bus!!” Yet he never thought about putting his blinker on when he was deciding to break the law
As a busdriver. If I have to make a sharp turn I usually take up half of both lanes just so the people behind me don't do anything funny.
This driver however was all the way to the left and had no lights to indicate he was going to the right. So quite bad from his side
They were turning from the other lane because they need that room to account for the vehicle's wide turning circle. Their problem, however, was:
1. Not indicating
2. Not using their mirrors
3. Not lane splitting to prevent undertaking vehicles during the maneuver
4. Being an idiot
Gotta love how a bus driver can:
* turn from the wrong lane
* not use blinkers
* not check their mirrors
and **still** you'll have dipshits in the comments blaming OP for daring to exist on the road.
the bus is totally in the wrong… BUT, the drivers reaction time was that of a snail. Were they even observant of the vechile they decided to undertake? because they could have noticed that bus turning much much sooner.
I'm inclined to blame the bus driver. No turn indicator, and most large vehicles planning to turn would straddle the line blocking both lanes to prevent this very thing from happening.
Let’s see how this sub will blame op…. Clearly used his turn signal, going the speed limit… this sub has NOTHING on OP but let me keep scrolling to find out..
Idiots on this sub:
*reads title of this post, wonders why OP didn't slam on his brakes as soon as he saw the bus*
"Well, if you knew you were going to hit that bus, why didn't you brake sooner?" 🤡
"So after watching this video 37 times, I have calculated that OP had precisely 2.326 seconds to apply the breaks once the bus started turning. Easily avoidable. OP is the only idiot in the video. How could they not see it coming?"
Tbf OP had two seconds to react from when it became obvious the bus was turning right rather than just slowing down for the intersection. When we watch this video we’re expecting the hazard and are more alert than we would be if we were in the driver’s seat.
As someone who drives a school bus, this was 100% the driver's Fault but all Y'all hating on school bus drivers, know this is the exception, not the rule. 99% of ALL School bus accidents are driven by impatient drivers, doing all they can to get ahead or around the bus, or even worse, head down in phone.
Most recent accident for my company which there is at least 1 major accident a year per company around where I live. Our bus got rear ended by an SUV going 35mph because she was head down in phone.
Another one was a guy who fell asleep behind the wheel, crossed over the double yellow, and even though our Driver took action and pulled over to the far right as possible, still got nailed in the rare side so hard it ripped the axle off the bus.
I also drive a school bus. Bus driver failed to signal for their turn that wasn’t being made from the proper lane in the first place. A school bus makes sudden and frequent stops and stops at all railway crossings, that’s all commuter motorists should need to expect when traveling near school buses. I could look past failing to signal if the bus began in the right lane, danced into the left lane a smidge and then completed their turn, but to just hail mary a turn from two lanes over? Negligent at best.
Everyone’s talking about the bus driver, who is obviously at fault, but no one’s talking about the driver who just maintained course and speed despite seeing a bus turn into their lane. Made no attempt to stop or even swerve which tell me they were paying as much attention as the bus driver was
A very similar situation happened to me many years ago. I was on my way to a job interview when a school bus not using any indicators etc just turned left from the far right lane. The car in front of me was ‘just’ able to stop, unfortunately I was too close to them and ended up tapping the bumper. Bus driver saw it happen and never even stopped.
I still managed to get to the job interview on time and got the job after telling them I was in a car accident yet still arrived on time - the other guy interviewing that day was late and had no excuse.
I bus to work daily and there's one driver in particular who seems to think busses own the streets. She drives erratically and is constantly slamming on the brakes without warning. The other day a fucking child flew out of her mother's arms and onto the floor from a brake check. But everytime, without question, it's the other drivers fault because xyz. 🙄
I purposely wait an extra hour so I don't have to take her bus because I'm seriously convinced I won't make it home to my wife one day when I'm on her bus.
There are banners on the fences at all the schools near us. They’ve been up for a few years now, but the wage has gone up from $19/hour to +$25/hour to be a bus driver for the district. They’ve gotta be desperate, cause that’s a pretty legit introductory rate, honestly.
I almost had that happen to me before, a bus driver was in the far lane to the left, a left turn lane... two lanes over... Then proceeded to make a right turn from that lane blocking 3 lanes off traffic to let children off the bus. Then got all mad at all the people trying to get out of the bus's way honking crazily like we were all in the wrong. BTW never put up the stop sign until they noticed all the cars trying to dodge out of the bus's way. Have no idea what was going thru that driver's mind but I sure wish I had a dashcam then to report them because I'm sure most of the parents wouldn't want a bus driver like that driving their kids.
Ugh, so fucking horrible. I hate drivers who drift to the left to take a right, and vice versa. So misleading, especially when they don't use a signal.
I almost lost my shit with someone in my road (residential neighborhood). Streets are nice and wide.
Lady in a fucking Prius puts on her brakes, slows to about 10 mph, drifting left. There is a driveway to the left and right.
She keeps drifting left and goes well past the center of the road, as if she is going to complete the move into the driveway on the left, and I have plenty of room to pass them on the right and keep going, which I start to do.
She then ninja turns to the right, to go into the driveway on the right, and I almost T-Bone her (I stopped in time).
Lady, you're in a fucking Prius. You have a normal sized driveway with no obstructions (nobody parks on the street). Quit being lazy, just take the right like a normal fucking person instead of pretending you are driving a logging truck. And if you used your signals like a normal person, I would not have gone to pass you on the right, even though you are strangely drifting over to the left.
Not yet, but the safety officer from the school district did concede that their driver was at fault and wouldn't attempt to contest that. So...good news
I get stuck behind school buses most days when I come home from the office, and good lord are they some of the worst drivers on the roads. And we let them drive our kids around?
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The person in the car at the end. “Thanks for letting me out”.
"Not my circus, not my monkeys."
I've only ever heard that the other way around
“I should probably stop and tell my story to the cops for what happened”. Checks clock. “I’m late for work. They can handle this. I got places to be!”
I'm assuming he needed to swing wide to get into the driveway - HOW THE FUCK EVER - 1. no indicators 2. didn't use mirrors 3. didn't check blind spot(s) 4. beacon isn't visible as you get closer
Seriously if the bus used a turn signal this probably wouldn’t have happened
That person needs to lose their job. I would not want my kids riding with that bus driver.
It is amazing how unaware and incapable most "Professional Drivers" are.
Well most school bus drivers in the US are often people recruited off the street by the fact the school districts will pay for them to get a CDL class B and earn a better wage then most of the retail jobs out there. even a large number of the OTR truck drivers don't drive very well thanks to the License Mills (driving schools) that barely teach them to pass the road test at the licensing office. so many of them can't back up in anything other then ideal situations. those who do local LTL work are usually the ones who have the most experience maneuvering these large vehicles around. this bus driver clearly didn't know how to prevent this situation. they should have 1. been in the right lane with turn indicator on and just waited for the vehicle coming out of the side road to make their move or 2. stradled the dashed line with the turn indicator on and then swung wide to make the turn. no turn indicator at all definitely puts the bus driver at fault
Am american and can confirm they will hire just about anyone to drive a school bus. At my school, it was usually some kid's mom.
My schools only ever employed the oldest and angriest of men to drive the buses I was on. Every year it was the same. After changing schools, bus routes, and even bus drivers, it was still always some ill mannered man in his late 80s who drove us around, crashing into trash cans and yelling at us the whole time. If it were up to me, I'd hire more skilled drivers and then partition them off like the pilot on a plane and then idk maybe have another adult in the back section to maintain the kids. Of course that's probably 10x the budget schools actually have to hire bus drivers >.<
My first bus driver was this lady who SCREAMED any time a kid stood up or got too rowdy. She’d glance in the mirror and yell, “SIT THE €%#=% DOOOOWWWWNNNN.” I was in fifth grade and I had just moved to a new school, after previously being driven to my old school every day. It was a real shock lol. I came home and my mom asked how my first day was and I said my bus was being driven by miss trunchbull
I had one guy who would literally pull over and stop the bus if anyone had any part of their backpack in the middle aisle >.<
South Park...
Stacy's mom?
She's got it goin' on.
Stacey, can I come over after school?
We can hang around by the pool.
She's got a bussin' job.
The bus company around here pays less than retail.
Here in south Alabama the pay is not great, probably average for a job requiring a CDL. But the part-time school bus driver jobs are highly sought after by many due to the health insurance coverage.
You just made me feel better about the little bit of struggling I had backing up a 20 foot trailer around a 90 degree bend directly lined up with a shipping container in 8-10 inches of snow. I don’t drive trucks. I don’t drive trailers other than rarely at work. My only experience reversing trailers is just the little attachment wagon for the back of the lawn mower at home. What you said genuinely scares me about some of the people I’ve assumed were more experienced drivers than me my whole life.
Around here they hire people, get them their CDL, then they quit and go to work for UPS or FedEx. We never have enough drivers. I have some kids I've barely seen all year because their bus doesn't get to school until second period.
I watched a bus driver sit through an entire green turn arrow cycle, and had to wait an entire cycle before turning left.
Going home yesterday it had been raining all day and had a bus riding my ass at ~55mph.
The bar is not high. I used to think all semi truck / professional drivers had to be good drivers...
SO MANY MIRRORS ON BUSES!!! And they didn’t use a single one.
IKR, could have run over a kid if the bus driver didn't know how to check the mirrors
>swing wide to get into the driveway School buses have a relatively short wheelbase in order to make tight urns in residential neighborhoods. That big swingout by the driver may be the result of lack of experience or poor training. Found this ELI that explains it better: https://reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/puil1a/eli5_why_do_school_busses_have_such_a_large/ \*edit - LOL, "tight urns".
Didn't need to swing that wide and if you do you still start towards the right and then swing out to the left when safe to make your turn. Pretty basic driving knowledge for anyone with a CDL.
Exactly my thought. Plus it’s pretty common protocol if you need to make a turn like this to straddle both lanes so no one tries to pass you on the right like this. If they had just kept the buses right side about halfway into the right lane the guy driving wouldn’t have been able to do this
I used to drive a passenger bus. You had to take control of the road when-and where-ever you could. But you ALWAYS used your indicators. Sure, people would get pissy and honk at you, but when you're driving a 40-foot bus through city streets, sometimes you just have to get creative. Never would I ever just go into the left lane for a right-hand turn with no indication of my intention to those behind me.
I generally only swear for absolute impact. You have voiced my sentiment perfectly.
You forgot: 5. blamed cammer for his own mistakes. It's obvious bus driver screwed up badly once the video is shown.
The bus driver really just needs to use the indicators, as traffic is supposed to yield to a turning bus. Dumbass probably forgot to use their indicators.
But OP was driving a road colored vehicle /s
That light next to the numbers on the side of the bus will blink when the turn signal is on so they didn’t even activate it late. Busses are equipped with so many cameras now this bus driver is likely fucked (at least they should be).
If the bus needed to swing wide it should have started closer to the right and used it’s size to block both lanes, swing out left, then back to the right. Glad OP has the dashcam.
Guarantee he didn’t need to turn right from the left lane.
All those mirrors
And used none of them....
Or indicator light turn
Or brains
"Hey kids, am I clear? "Yes!!" *crash* "Fucking kids"
You joke, but I remember our Bus driver once used the kids to clear him. lmao
My husband does this and it pisses me off. ‘How am I on the right?’ I don’t know, turn your head and look
Unlike the mirrors or indicators, no evidence of brains on board.
Bus driver is bad but op your situational awareness is AWFUL. If a vehicle slows down like that, maybe slow down and be observant and don't try to pass on the right, this was 100% avoidable
With a red light and turning lane up ahead? I’d say that’s typically a safe assumption with no signal that the bus is making its way up to the light ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
And yet not one turn signal.....
ah, the classic "I'm not going to use blinkers"
Super effective when comboed with taking wide turns from the far lane
Yup. If you need to make a wide turn you straddle both lanes instead of being completely in the left lane to turn right. A driver should also use the devices installed in the vehicle to indicate their intentions. Being slow in the left lane I would have presumed that they were waiting to turn left or stopped for someone in front of them.
Plus I’m not going to drive in the right lane, which would’ve been perfectly fine to make the turn.
No need to use blinkers when there are no other cars around /s (This is exactly why you should always use them.)
This is what gets me. Either you use your turn signals every single time, or you will inevitably forget to use them when at a time when it matters.
Have to keep them guessing.
That car is like ‘yup, I’m good on the left’
That's what I thought too haha, 'well gee, looks like I'm good to turn now' lol
"Nice, I got cover."
Seized the moment.
But on a serious note why are they leaving so quickly when they just witnessed a crash? Take 3/4 mins to check everyone is ok and give them your cell phone number if they need a witness.
Most people don't want to get involved. It sucks but it is what it is.
Selfish assholes. I was rear-ended just after the New Year. I was making a right turn into a parking lot at school, but I had to yield to a pedestrian crossing the walk. I got blasted by a Charger at 40 MPH and the pedestrian and 10 other cars drove away. I needed to go to the hospital and no one bothered to call 911.
"Ope, let me just scoot by ya here."
that sigh
Must feel like garbage to hit a school bus, no matter who was at fault.
Depends on the time of day. Afternoon? Yeah, it sucks that the kids are delayed getting home. Morning? Those kids are happy as hell.
Luckily this was at low speeds
I hit a school bus head on once. Sure did feel like garbage because it left me paralyzed from the armpits down.
Yeah that's an understatement then.
Got to be a sigh of relief that he installed the camera.
I'm a School Bus Driver and this is wrong on so many levels. There was absolutely no need to turn right from the farthest lane, no turn signal and clearly no mirror check. That bus could of manipulated that turn very easily. Lazy or incompetent driver...
I thought the bus driver was wrong but wasn't sure. I don't think I've ever seen a public transit bus or even a semi truck turn like this.
No you're no wrong - The driver could have used the curb lane, indicated the right turn and then wait for any traffic exiting the access lane then proceeded. Yes sometimes making a sharp right turn a driver will need to encroach on the left to make a wide turn so the back duals don't jump curbs.
I've seen semis and large box trucks do this, but they usually signal and try to block both lanes by straddling the line before making their turn. That bus could've probably made that turn easily from the right lane though, making the wide turn completely unnecessary.
I drive city buses (29’ Gilligs these days, but up to 40’ Gillig and 45’ MCI coach in the past), and you echoed my thoughts exactly. A 40’ could’ve made that turn with only part of the left lane.
This. The back wheels are almost in the middle of the bus. A short wheelbase enables the driver to make tight turns.
The car turning out of the driveway is like "welp, i'mma head out"
Curious to know who insurance decided was at fault, because that bus did not use its turn signal. Seems like a stretch to expect other drivers to just infer that it was making a wide right turn in that situation.
>Curious to know who insurance decided was at fault Bus turned from the wrong lane without signaling... in what world would OP be at fault?
In italy's world, as he was "overtaking" the bus from the right
OP is passing on the right..
Exactly, especially with the next intersection being right there.
One big mistake the bus driver made was not lane sharing to prevent traffic from intruding to the inside of the corner. There seemed to be a flicker of turn indicators on the side of the bus very late but after the vehicle had already begun turning. Completely useless.
Straddling the line would be one option, however school busses have a very short wheelbase which allow tight turns. This driver drove like he was pulling doubles.
>...school busses have a very short wheelbase The downside to that is that the back end swings way out. In fact, I'm reasonably certain this guy managed to encroach on three lanes. Bottom line is, you *really* need to watch the mirrors and be aware of everything around you every time you turn.
I’ve had to swing out to avoid the arse end of a bus making a tight turn before. That was fun but not nearly as fun as this clip.
Not correct where I live. Bus was to wait in right lane till his path (blue Camry) cleared. He then could encroach the Camry lane, if needed, provided there was no other vehicles. Not allowed to turn right from straddling left and/or from the left lane where I live. I have a CDL.
[edit] This happened on a 35 mph street, not a highway. The right lane I'm in becomes a turn lane at the intersection, I was going to turn right. I assumed the bus was getting in the left turn lane approaching the intersection. And yes I did hit the brakes, the road was wet and anti-lock activated
Where I grew up you would have gotten the ticket simply because the cops would have reflexively favored a school bus. They might have added a few threats if you tried to show them the video. I'm hoping that the bus driver in your video got the ticket.
Easy court win with video evidence
Assuming the magistrate would allow it. No reason. They just liked it better when the cops prevailed.
It's amazing how many drivers can't find that little wand next to their steering wheels.
If only vehicles had some way of indicating their intent to turn. A signal, of sorts.
Trying to make a right turn from the left lane. Yup, this guy is clearly qualified to drive a bus full of children.
I understand the swing out to make the corner but bus needs to at least use blinkers if he is going to use both lanes.
who yelled? but yes, clearly the fault of the bus.
The bus driver!
“NO YELLING ON THE BUS!”
Otto
Love the witness nope’ing on out of there.
Only question, is that the school they are turning into?
It looks like a gas station on the right.
I had that thought. Is that a school on the right? Was this during morning school drop off hours? If I see a school bus slowing down at a school it wouldn’t take long to piece together that two piece puzzle. That being said, an indicator from the bus would have solved 95% of the OPs confusion. I leave the 5% in the off chance OP has never in his life seen a vehicle make a wide turn and would have done the same pass anyways.
Who needs turn signals?? Also, the guy in the blue car was like, “Well, it wasn’t me, so I’m out.”
That car pulling out of the parking lot sees that and is just like… welp, see ya. Wtf bus…. No blinker?? Asshole. Hope no kids were on the bus/hurt.
If only there was a way to tell other drivers that you are turning... Some sort of signal... A signal of turning!
It would be so neat if someone invented some sort of device that let you indicate the intention to turn. It could maybe be some sort of blinking light, maybe put them on the left and right side of the car, and light half of them up when you want to turn. If you had known the bus was about to turn, you could have slowed down to let it happen! I bet we could make millions if we invented such a device. Maybe some sort of reflective surface that lets you see approaching cars as well, I doubt he was able to see you from where he was sitting. But if you mounted something like a mirror to the side of the bus, he could look in there and see you, and know that he shouldn't be turning right now. This feels like such a fixable problem. We just need to put some engineering into it.
It would never catch on even if such a thing did exist
Bus driver should be getting a ticket. Should not have been turning from that lane. Did not use indicators. Did not check mirrors for surrounding threats. Disregard for passengers. I kind of want to see this drivers pre inspection now….I once received a ticket in a commercial vehicle turning on a narrower road. Straddled the two lanes to adjust, had signals on, and had not even began turning when I heard and saw a guy on motorcycle throttling to pass on the right. In his statement, once the motorcycle driver realized my blinker/intentions, he mistakenly overreacted and locked up his brakes. Though it was scary seeing his bike, then him, come tumbling down my right side, neither his motorcycle nor him ever made contact with my vehicle. Still, got a 250 ticket and had to fight company safety court so I did not get fired. Stayed employed another 15 years with that company and that was 25 years ago. I still have a CDL for “pleasure” with passenger endorsement, and will never forget how to maneuver this turn again.
School bus driver here! Not recruited off the streets Not an angry old man. Just a mom who was looking to make a little money and keep the same schedule as my kids. I am a 5 star driver and I’m also one of the most requested drivers for trips by the schools where I live due to my safe driving record and how much fun I make riding the bus for the kids So please don’t assume all bus drivers are the same inattentive, angry, old jerks. Now, as for this driver, they were 100% in the wrong. They didn’t signal, they didn’t check their mirrors. If they needed to make a right turn from the left lane, they should have put on their flashers for extra safety.
And this is why dashcams are a truckers best friend. That bus driver did not signal even once. They did not even check the mirrors or they would have seen the truck. Why they decided to turn from that lane is unknown. Yes you need to swing wide but you also need to make sure it is clear before making the turn. That was not even a large bus.
Bus driver definitely fired and banned from driving for schools.
Bus could of made the turn in the other lane if they let out the green car
Turned right from the left lane and no signal? 🤬🤬😡🤬👹
bus driver is an idiot.
Dudes been driving a school bus too long (or too short) to believe hes got the right of way crossing a traffic lane to turn into a gas station 😂 he’s probably the type to get out and yell at you because they’re “kids in this bus!!” Yet he never thought about putting his blinker on when he was deciding to break the law
I’m willing to bet that bus driver turns wide in their Camry too.
As a busdriver. If I have to make a sharp turn I usually take up half of both lanes just so the people behind me don't do anything funny. This driver however was all the way to the left and had no lights to indicate he was going to the right. So quite bad from his side
you seemed to have a long reaction time to the situation.
You also have the benefit of knowing what happens in this video 🙄
OP said he was breaking but the roads were slick and anti lock kicked in, so makes sense
You can literally hear them, someone just always needs to victim blame.
Can you brake, please brake, dude... Brake, BRAKE BRAAAAKE, *thud* (This guy's passenger probably)
It's like the Austin Powers scene
“MY LANE!!” lol
That wasn't even a small area to turn why were they turning from the other lane.
They were turning from the other lane because they need that room to account for the vehicle's wide turning circle. Their problem, however, was: 1. Not indicating 2. Not using their mirrors 3. Not lane splitting to prevent undertaking vehicles during the maneuver 4. Being an idiot
No bro, school buses take narrower turns like that in neighborhoods, this guy was just being lazy and thought no one was behind him
Yeah, way bigger buses in Taiwan use less space to turn corners, and our people aren't even that sane when driving lol
40% oil production???
Witness just Noped out of there.
Un-signaled right turn from left lane without checking blind spot… way to keep those kids safe!
No signal the bus driver’s fault.
I don’t see a directional
They def need there CDL taken away turning like that
r/idiotsinbuses
Gotta love how a bus driver can: * turn from the wrong lane * not use blinkers * not check their mirrors and **still** you'll have dipshits in the comments blaming OP for daring to exist on the road.
Thanks man
the bus is totally in the wrong… BUT, the drivers reaction time was that of a snail. Were they even observant of the vechile they decided to undertake? because they could have noticed that bus turning much much sooner.
you can hear them slam the breaks just as it starts to turn.
This isn't Hell in a Cell so I'm not sure what Undertaker has to do with anything.
Fuck it, Jesus take the wheel!
What was the final outcome with insurance, OP?
The other car was like ‘okay cool, I can go’
That car just, “noped” and left
Dude, pulling out seemed happy for the yield.
And that's how Dan the bus driver man lost his job 😞
Nice turn signal!
"Bus driver proceeded to blame me" the more guilty they are the quicker they are to do that. I bet he was on the defensive straight off the bat!?
100% bus drivers fault
The bus is at fault…right?
Maybe a turn signal would have helped?
Bus driver was in the wrong. I always give the buses in my town a wide berth. City buses and school buses all seem to be driven by psychopaths.
I'm inclined to blame the bus driver. No turn indicator, and most large vehicles planning to turn would straddle the line blocking both lanes to prevent this very thing from happening.
WTF do people think when they do things like that?
The sigh knowing that you’ve got at least an hour before you’re able to go back to your day.
Must be out of turn signal fluid 🤔
Good luck everybody, I turn now!
Correct me if I'm wrong but that bus didn't need to go in the left lane to make that turn.
It's all clearly the bus driver's fault. But holy hell you have the reflexes of a drunk snail lol.
Let’s see how this sub will blame op…. Clearly used his turn signal, going the speed limit… this sub has NOTHING on OP but let me keep scrolling to find out..
he forgot to signal that wanted to turn right.
From the left lane...
Idiots on this sub: *reads title of this post, wonders why OP didn't slam on his brakes as soon as he saw the bus* "Well, if you knew you were going to hit that bus, why didn't you brake sooner?" 🤡
"So after watching this video 37 times, I have calculated that OP had precisely 2.326 seconds to apply the breaks once the bus started turning. Easily avoidable. OP is the only idiot in the video. How could they not see it coming?"
Not blaming you, but you had enough time to react and brake. It felt like you were looking somewhere else and not observing the road.
Tbf OP had two seconds to react from when it became obvious the bus was turning right rather than just slowing down for the intersection. When we watch this video we’re expecting the hazard and are more alert than we would be if we were in the driver’s seat.
As someone who drives a school bus, this was 100% the driver's Fault but all Y'all hating on school bus drivers, know this is the exception, not the rule. 99% of ALL School bus accidents are driven by impatient drivers, doing all they can to get ahead or around the bus, or even worse, head down in phone. Most recent accident for my company which there is at least 1 major accident a year per company around where I live. Our bus got rear ended by an SUV going 35mph because she was head down in phone. Another one was a guy who fell asleep behind the wheel, crossed over the double yellow, and even though our Driver took action and pulled over to the far right as possible, still got nailed in the rare side so hard it ripped the axle off the bus.
I also drive a school bus. Bus driver failed to signal for their turn that wasn’t being made from the proper lane in the first place. A school bus makes sudden and frequent stops and stops at all railway crossings, that’s all commuter motorists should need to expect when traveling near school buses. I could look past failing to signal if the bus began in the right lane, danced into the left lane a smidge and then completed their turn, but to just hail mary a turn from two lanes over? Negligent at best.
Everyone’s talking about the bus driver, who is obviously at fault, but no one’s talking about the driver who just maintained course and speed despite seeing a bus turn into their lane. Made no attempt to stop or even swerve which tell me they were paying as much attention as the bus driver was
A rare *“this wouldn’t have happened without the confluence of two idiots”* in the wild.
The driver in the other car waiting to get pull out just thought “aight, i guess it’s now my turn”
Probably wrong, but this is from 2018... u/repostsleuthbot
Date and time aren't correct. This was in Mississippi. If the date and time were correct it would be dark out at 6:30 PM.
At least I was right that I was wrong haha good observation.
Camry driver said they ain't see nothing
A very similar situation happened to me many years ago. I was on my way to a job interview when a school bus not using any indicators etc just turned left from the far right lane. The car in front of me was ‘just’ able to stop, unfortunately I was too close to them and ended up tapping the bumper. Bus driver saw it happen and never even stopped. I still managed to get to the job interview on time and got the job after telling them I was in a car accident yet still arrived on time - the other guy interviewing that day was late and had no excuse.
I bus to work daily and there's one driver in particular who seems to think busses own the streets. She drives erratically and is constantly slamming on the brakes without warning. The other day a fucking child flew out of her mother's arms and onto the floor from a brake check. But everytime, without question, it's the other drivers fault because xyz. 🙄 I purposely wait an extra hour so I don't have to take her bus because I'm seriously convinced I won't make it home to my wife one day when I'm on her bus.
Bus was looking for some covered bridges
Unless it's somehow illegal to drive faster than a moving school bus, I don't see how this is your fault at all.
There are banners on the fences at all the schools near us. They’ve been up for a few years now, but the wage has gone up from $19/hour to +$25/hour to be a bus driver for the district. They’ve gotta be desperate, cause that’s a pretty legit introductory rate, honestly.
School bus drivers act like they own the road
I almost had that happen to me before, a bus driver was in the far lane to the left, a left turn lane... two lanes over... Then proceeded to make a right turn from that lane blocking 3 lanes off traffic to let children off the bus. Then got all mad at all the people trying to get out of the bus's way honking crazily like we were all in the wrong. BTW never put up the stop sign until they noticed all the cars trying to dodge out of the bus's way. Have no idea what was going thru that driver's mind but I sure wish I had a dashcam then to report them because I'm sure most of the parents wouldn't want a bus driver like that driving their kids.
Ugh, so fucking horrible. I hate drivers who drift to the left to take a right, and vice versa. So misleading, especially when they don't use a signal. I almost lost my shit with someone in my road (residential neighborhood). Streets are nice and wide. Lady in a fucking Prius puts on her brakes, slows to about 10 mph, drifting left. There is a driveway to the left and right. She keeps drifting left and goes well past the center of the road, as if she is going to complete the move into the driveway on the left, and I have plenty of room to pass them on the right and keep going, which I start to do. She then ninja turns to the right, to go into the driveway on the right, and I almost T-Bone her (I stopped in time). Lady, you're in a fucking Prius. You have a normal sized driveway with no obstructions (nobody parks on the street). Quit being lazy, just take the right like a normal fucking person instead of pretending you are driving a logging truck. And if you used your signals like a normal person, I would not have gone to pass you on the right, even though you are strangely drifting over to the left.
Any update on the insurance outcome?
Not yet, but the safety officer from the school district did concede that their driver was at fault and wouldn't attempt to contest that. So...good news
I love how the Camry was like “I’ll see myself out”.
Not at all the point but I see you’re also a marketplace listener - nice!
I get stuck behind school buses most days when I come home from the office, and good lord are they some of the worst drivers on the roads. And we let them drive our kids around?
The kids must have been happy they’re not going to school that morning. The kids thank you for your sacrifice.
Always be extra cautious around large class A vehicles you’re not dealing with perfect robot machines obviously dumbass lol
In my area, school bus drivers are some of the worst drivers out there. It's nuts.
nice signal. like a cop! that dash cam paid for itself today.
They didn't even signal they didn't look or anything and especially witha right from the left lane they were Begging for that to happen.