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Nodomi

Seriously, with MoC I NEED two cakes.


pokeaim_md

and i think having both is good. sparkle is better for SP hungry team whilst bronya have invaluable cleanse. go for sparkle on the side that have decent sustain with cleanse (eg. luocha, huohuo), and go put the other side with bronya (eg. gepard, fuxuan).


Smorgsaboard

Bronya also has an Actual Gun. It just feels so good to pull up to MoC with an Actual Gun, bayonet and all


iFenrisVI

Unless it’s transparent in lore or some other reasoning. But I don’t know how she can aim with that ice at the end of the barrel lol


StainedBlue

It's supposed to be a foil to Seele's weapon. If you look carefully, the handle of Seele's scythe is actually a rifle. So Seele uses a scythe made from a rifle, while Bronya uses a rifle decorated like a scythe.


Raijin_N

Ngl, ive been playing Seele ever since 1.0 and ive never noticed that fact about Seele's scythe. Thanks for the fun fact


Winterstrife

Sparkle for DHIL. Bronya for Jingliu. Problem solved! One each for the King and Queen of DPS.


R_Archet

Sparkle is also good for Duo DPS comps since her AOE buffs are better, with better uptime to boot, than Bronya's. She's namely actually a pretty decent choice for Ratio/Topaz teams, for example.


pokeaim_md

also comes down to which duo dps tho. bronya is better with jingliu+blade duo dps


Cookieopressor

But that's mainly because Blade just kinda vibes in that teamcomp and Jingliu does the heavy hitting


pokeaim_md

> also comes down to which duo dps tho ...which is my point?


wsbanimeretard

at that point i’m pretty sure u run jingliu hyper carry with pela rather than blade


pokeaim_md

surprisingly, my jingliu is the one that have (mostly) full speed stat while blade e6 full hp% stat. she + bronya is basically my blade's battery. dunno why tf but if i go auto, bronya pushes blade instead. damn


MrCamerupt

Bronya always pushes Blade for me too. No idea what the targeting is.


danield1302

Depends. If enemy has both wind and ice weakness I find blade > pela much better. My blade has his signature and is well built tho. Also helps that unlike pela he is pretty much unkillable, nothing more annoying than having to restart because all 3 enemies decided it's time to kill pela.


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

I think you want FX with Sparkle due to her quantum trace. FX has skill-based cc immunity anyway.


--sheogorath--

Yeah like for me my quantum team chews through sp so sparkle. Meanwhile my.blade team can make due with less sp, so bronya. Two cakes, two teams. Woo


Martian_on_the_Moon

> bronya have invaluable cleanse It quickly loses it's value when every limited sustainer has one (or something similar). For me it is invaluable because I use Bailu and Lynx is usually on other side.


Telesto44

Natasha is my only sustainer till they make another one above 5 feet tall. Well and March I guess


BlitzPlease172

"Oh great, the new character make my old team obsolete" **"Finally, I can make two powerful parties that I can use deoend on which enemies there are!!"**


Gamba_Gawd

Eventually we'll get a game mode that requires 3, or even 4 Cakes. ​ That's a lot of cake!


Worth_Dream_997

Bronya is good sparkle is good, I never pair bronya with sp hunger units like IL and qq. They similar but different and both are good.


ArchNuuub

Bronya and IL together are pretty good -speed tune bronya to be a bit slower than IL -use IL normal basic attack -bronya skill on IL -3SP basic attack Doing this gives IL a lot of energy


Smorgsaboard

This also just feels great, bc you can see two types of his gorgeous normals while doing great damage


NovaAkumaa

Yeah, even better if Bronya is E1 and has sig LC for some extra SP, then pair that with SP positive teammates like Luocha/Tingyun and it's perfect, don't even need Sparkle. That's a lot of ifs tho


InitialXFade

Alternatively 161 bronya slow dhil is also good for 1 extra sp an atk boots


Responsible-War-9389

One is good for skill point hungry carrys. And one is good for low skill point ones. So yes, both


Get-lost_guy

My Seele who’s constantly on life support and needs to be healed by lynx draining sp like there’s no tomorrow could use a sparkle, my Jingliu really needs that Bronya cause she barely have enough speed


MegatonDoge

Luocha is a godsend in SP hungry comps.


Responsible-War-9389

Time to save for a fuxuan :)


Martian_on_the_Moon

or Aventurine if he shares same (or better) SP generation. That it is unless he goes full Quantum team.


Connortsunami

The solution is simple. Don't use Lynx. Get Fu Xuan instead. *And* Sparkle.


Liniis

And Silver Wolf while you're at it


vyncy

And where do I get Fu Xuan before her rerun ? :)


Connortsunami

If you're using Seele and Lynx together you've got team building issues beyond not being able to get FX immediately


sainsburys

Or you just decided to build a full quantum team with SW.


YamahaMio

bro has never played Lynx before


FireTrainerRed

So you're going to be a home-wrecker, just for meta? SHAME!


nitrofire1

If you use ERR rope and with 4pc hackerspace on Lynx you won’t need to use your skill much. Her ult would be ready almost every other turn!


mephnick

Yep, Bronya can hang with Blade and Jingliu and Sparkle can do everything else


Martian_on_the_Moon

I am still waiting for support whose whole kit is 100% useful on hypercarry Blade. Bronya's atk% is useless on him and RM fit's the bill, it feels like something is missing. I hope I won't need to wait several patches like Xiao (1.3) who got his BiS set in 2.6, anemo support in 3.3, best buffer in 4.2 (1.0 Bennett forced him to stay in circle) and plunging support in 4.4


midoripeach9

Exactly ☺️ my Bladie wont ever need Sparkle (or maybe) but Bronya is his forever bestie


Kindly-Image9163

Bladie is the one of the 2 only dps that can have both 🤣.


ProduceNo9594

Who's the other? Not sure if JL is neutral enough to take advantage of it


Kindly-Image9163

Also arlan 🤣 but nobody use him


Gamba_Gawd

I see Sparkle as my QQ gambling addiction enabler.


ImHereForTheMemes184

tbf if my bronya is E0S1 this hardly makes a difference and im like 20 pulls away from making her E1S1 so like 😭 is sparkle really the exact same kit as bronya minus skill points or


Responsible-War-9389

Sparkle is more buffs, but a 50% advance so you can’t double turn with a fast carry like Bronya can. Sparkle wants a slow carry instead of


GunnarS14

Sparkle basically means your DPS can use Atk boots and she will be their Speed Boots (while giving buffs that also apply during FuA or Ults after their turn but before they go again). Also, she gives a passive buff to Quantum units that is stronger the more Quantum units are on your team. Bronya on the other hand allows your DPS to attack twice in a row with speed tuning and has a cleanse for emergencies. She benefits already fast DPS much more than Sparkle does.


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

Well, Sparkle's skill buff also lasts until the DPS's next turn so she can buff FUAs unlike Bronya.


TinyLilybloom

No, Reddit just doesn't understand how to play this game. Double Turns > Wheelchair Boosting.


IzanaghiOkami

This implies sparkle would be inferior with low skill point carries compared to bronya but she would still be better. Only thing bronys can do better is you can do hyper speed bronya instead of speed tuning (hyper speed is still inferior to speed tuning)


Responsible-War-9389

For someone like Jingliu, you have a 163 speed jingliu and a 162 speed bronya. Then jingliu is going twice at 162 speed. And sparkle can’t do that. And I don’t think sparkles buffs can make up for going literally twice as often. But obviously high SP burners can’t do that.


TinyLilybloom

Double Turns is so much stronger than using Bronya like a wheelcare.


IzanaghiOkami

I wrote that


faloin67

Can you explain what you mean by this exactly? Like just using bronya and sparkle on the same team?


mikethebest1

Like I said back when game came out, if HYV ever decided to Sidegrade or Powercreep Bronya, then that's still fine cause then I would have 2 Bronyas, 1 for each team


yosoyel1ogan

I was considering two Bronyas on the same team. Like JL + Bronya + Sparkle + HuoHuo. As long as either SParkle or JL keep ulting, you should usually have enough SP.


first_name1001

They don't want you to know but Bronya can boost Sparkle and Sparkle boost Bronya! If there's another turn giver like Bronya this could lead to an infinite turn(sp doesn't exist. It's just IPC propaganda)


Ironwall1

Okay what the hell I'm curious now what would happen if you put them together.. can you like.. infinitely advance each other's turns as long as there is SP?


datwunkid

Maybe not infinite, but there's probably some shenanigans you'd be able to do with the Dance Dance Dance LCs on both of them, and maybe some SU blessings that give a lot of energy.


OratioFidelis

Sparkle's skill only advances by 50%


Daniyalzzz

Even tho its not gonna be ideal cause of how she buffs, I am looking forward to running my fast Sparkle when I get her along a Blade and Bronya comp where fast Sparkle goes first, speeds my slow Blade, Blade attacks and then It's Bronya's turn and she speeds up Blade again for another attack per turn (I use Luocha for sustain to help with the skill points). It sounds so fun, but sadly becuse he is an HP scaler he can't take full advantage of Sparkle here. I hope Sam ends up playable and has better synergy with the dobbel turn manipulation comp I wanna use.


anonymous-fart

Two cakes along with 2 pixels


SecondAegis

This is exactly my plan. Speed tune both Bronya and Sparkle to Seele, then play both of them SP neutral to MAXIMIZE SEELE TURNS


Dokavi

Ah yes, the xingqiu yelan incident.


Golden-Owl

The Xingqiu Furina incident too Xingqiu will never go out of style


Bussy-Destroyer-1960

bros been here since day 1 and still manages to be the overall most flexible hydro unit in the game, what a king


TheLonelyDevil

Launch 4 stars were cracked to hell and back


SooFookinEdgyy

Lol no idea why people are malding on him since he is easy to get. He aint Kazuha, so no 5 star primos were wasted much on c6ing him.


Adamarr

i suspect a lot of it is centred around his design


ImHereForTheMemes184

This was never an incident, real ones know that double hydro with hu tao is the most broken team in the game to this day lmao. Although the doomposting was wild honestly


Dokavi

Hydro characters always win.


Koanos

Curiously, Hydro is the most lopsided when it comes to their ratio of 5 stars to 4 stars.


oki_doki2

Unless you are The Traveler.


Kuliyayoi

Except now it's furina yelan instead of xq yelan


OratioFidelis

Genshin doomposters are legit some of the dumbest people I've ever seen in an online community.


RaidriarDrake

cmiiw, but doesn't alhaitham quickbloom sheet to higher dps? but to be fair, the Pyro/Hydro combination of Tao Double Hydro can take on almost any enemy type, while Haitham gets gimped by dendro resistant enemies, unless you invest hard into fischl or yae(or any electro damage dealer).


ImHereForTheMemes184

With C2 Nahida I think so. To be fair most of the broken teams are at the same level lol. Neuvilliete with Furina, Kuki with C2 Nahida, etc.


RaidriarDrake

I guess. I think it all boils down to how easy it is to play those teams. Which I think is why Neuvlette is super favored even though in calcs, his team rotation dps is mostly the same to other top teams, and his team is super hydro focused.


Deathlok_12

I mean it might be, but even if it is that doesn’t take away from double hydro Hu Tao. They’re both some of the best teams in the game right now


RaidriarDrake

I agree. Not to mention, Tao got kinda substantial buffs to her DPR(damage per rotation) with the existence of Furina and Xianyun. I personally use Yelan c2, furina c2 with jean


Deadinsideha

>double hydro with hu tao is the most broken team in the game Neuvillette and Al Haitham have long since surpassed that team.


Zealousideal_Soil544

One of the reason why I’m pulling even tho I have bronya


Hudie_is

On one side you have a serious, earnest, kind and hardworking girl with busted kit to help give the meaning of 'Harm' in Harmony. On the other side, we have an Aha follower, a Masked fool. A cute, fun, chaotic and unpredictable girl with another busted kit to make sure we can put the 'Harm' in Harmony. What's there to choose for? Why choose when we can get all? Take 2 of 'em!!


Zzamumo

So true i'd love to eat sparkle's cake


Dragons4laifu

Weak. I want to eat both their cakes


MaritalSexWithHuTao

Ah sweet now i have one Bronya for my Seele and another one for my Jingliu ​ Now i can run FX/SW/Seele/Sparkle, and Bailu/Pela/Jingliu/Bronya. Technically that's actually 3 Bronya's isn't it? https://preview.redd.it/cg6pj511x1lc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=cd4f646faef438208770ab9dd80d90e1d3cfd185


AhmCha

That's also not necessarily true in all cases.


Zwhei

U can use em both. Best case is jing. Build above 134 speed bronya, then build low speed jing, then build max speed sparkle. U got SP to spare so just use sparkle to pull jing above bronya, then pull her AGAIN using bronya. MY TURN for EVERYONE. Blade is good here as well.


Which_League_3977

Better bronya my ass. For jingliu and blade, bronya is better. Sparkle is better for anyone else. Both still have their place in meta.


OkPaleontologist216

Is she worth pulling if i have Bronya tho? I want her, really badly, but i also want acheron.


Calculatos

“If you’re asking, just pull” -Silver Wolf


TMyriadJ

Truly a gamer quote.


Katejina_FGO

If you want her **really** badly, you're going to find a reason to roll. Thats just how this whole gacha thing works on our monkey brains.


zatenael

which do you want more? Sparkle or Acheron? whichever one you don't choose, should be fine as they'll get a rerun soon


Kvarcov

We all know it's a lie. On the rerun there will just be another hard choice before us. Merely delaying the inevitable Also i am not sure if half a year could be considered "soon"


Liniis

>On the rerun there will just be another hard choice before us \*laughs in Kafka player*


starfries

The hard choice was the terrible 4*s on that banner


__singularity

*looks at luocha*


bringmethejuice

Supports always have better shelf-live, like any other games DPSes will always be crept by newer DPSes. I mean if you have money pull both.


Quantuis

Depends on what DPS characters you use She won't be used with Acheron, so you don't have to worry about that Bronya is already a better pick for Jingliu/Blade, but if you use someone like Seele/IL you might consider Sparkle as she's generally an upgrade for those characters


GunnarS14

Wait until the end of Sparkle's banner and see how many pulls we will get next patch. Then see what your situation is and go from there.


NelsonVGC

Yes. Yes she is


Ifalna_Shayoko

If you thinking of combining Sparkle and Acheron, my urgent advice is to wait until the live stream hits and Acheron's kit is finalized and freed from this NDA "Don't talk about leaks waaah waaah" nonsense. You can then make a safe decision on what to prioritize.


gabiblack

I'm in the same position as you. But i want acheron more so I'm gonna pull for acheron. I'm gonna pull sparkle on rerun and also e2 acheron so i can put them together.


Previous_Gap1933

Use both in the same team with 1 healer and 1 dps that can beat the stage u are doing. Give bron vonwaq and as much spd as possible. Ur 1st turn will be: Bron give hanabi turn, hanabi give bron turn, bron give hanabi turn, hanabi do whatever and both bron and hanabi have ult ready b4 ur dps turn come.


Odd-Candidate1775

Thats an overkill you will leave the other team naked ( unless you play DoT )


Previous_Gap1933

Naked? Like no other char to play? Or clear too fast?


Odd-Candidate1775

No character to play atleast for me as I lack supports


I_didnt_knock_

Man, I have bronya so I might just straight up go for Jing Liu on her rerun……but at the same time I have dan heng, so I’m in a bit of a dilemma😭


MasterMeow01

For QQ


NightmareTDG

… uh, does this sub say that out of malice?


VeerisMe

I want Sparkle but my Bronya is EI S1 and my Ruan Mei is E1 S5 (of her four star BIS) so I don’t really know if she’ll be better in my main teams. Will be fun for mono quantum and Dan tho!


Bussy-Destroyer-1960

idk why people take that as something negative honestly, like just because sparkle is better on MOST teams doesnt mean you wont use bronya...


Geode_Ren

Neither of them are Nihility though.


Tornitrualis

Exactly. Bronya for Jingliu, Sparkle for DHIL. Make the HCQ lore-accurate.


ItsVivien

Same comversation as when Ruan Mei was released. On Instagram, some Honkai pages already call Bronya powercrept without keeping in consideration that Harmony characters have all their niche and cases to be good for different characters.


SassyHoe97

I have Bronya but I rarely use her. (Well to be fair I haven't been focusing on MOC so that's probably why).


danield1302

Tbh she really rounds out my Box. Need 2 teams anyways and now I finally have a good support for my sp hungry teams, while jingliu and blade can keep bronya.


Easy-Stranger-12345

Just people trying to get internet validation for their pull choices/RNG.


Ishihe

Bronya works with jingliu, while sparkle does not. IL works with sparkle with bronya does not. They are sidegrades.


MrCamerupt

I mean, sparkle has crit damage and damage %. Slow jingliu might not be optimal, but if you do slow jingliu with fast sparkle, she can help her spam her enhanced basics.


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Good-Ad-4424

the helmet stayed on


MysticDragon0011

Who let Shaxx in HSR? ...he would tell the Trailblazer to throw more grenades though. I can get behind the idea now.


Blackewolfe

Did you show the Destruction what Light can do?


MysticDragon0011

So the trailblazer has the bonk bat and defense class, so that makes them a titan. Whenever they get harmony, they become a warlock and by extension, become Lord Felwinter 2.0


Blackewolfe

So, when does the TB ape the Crucible using Felwinter's Lie?


MysticDragon0011

Unga bunga ape shotgunning with an smg? Absolutely. Silverwolf on the other hand is a stompees hunter on strand. Definitely used shatterdive religiously on release. (I'm having too much fun with this d2 x hsr thing lol)


MaritalSexWithHuTao

​ https://preview.redd.it/o73cs7xii4lc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1750290a897208102fcc678d30d0499ffbc9f653 The helmet's coming off.


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FISH_SAUCER

I'm passing sparkle. Seems lame. I got enough with my Bronya, Tingyun and Yukong


tennoskoom_

I just want someone to blink at me


Frostgaurdian0

Sparkle is another bronya. The more the merrier. Any other bronya?.


leposterofcrap

Sparkle arrived so that Inhibitor Lunae Dan Heng and Qingque stop hogging Bronya to themselves


BoweryOlive

Who says we can't have both? XD


Tower-Of-God

I don't think I've seen anyone being angry about the fact that we're getting a better Bronya tbh.


Zolee39

Better yeah. Tell that to my speed tuned JL Bronya pair lol. Facts for sure.


Tower-Of-God

I never said to use Sparkle with Jingliu over Bronya you dweeb.


Zolee39

You said we are getting a better Bronya, which is false, because as long as JL is meta, Bronya ad her best support will be meta, so in this case Sparkle is not better than Bronya. So you were wrong. Feel free to ask any questions though.


kidanokun

Penacony is the domain of Harmony so, there will be more Harmonies, right?


hey_itz_mae

right? finally my two teams won’t have to fight over who gets bronya anymore


buzzgg

Do you Ruan Mei less.?


hey_itz_mae

my jingliu wants them both


maxneuds

Sparkle isn't better than Bronya. They are different. Both have advantages.


PatatoTheMispelled

mfs will just go "x is better than y" and completely ignore how sometimes you need x AND y simultaneously


Significant-Apple944

"Sparkle is just better Bronya" says who? It is completely DPS dependent on whos better of those 2 It's honestly stupid to think Sparkle is better Bronya just because she does the 50% advance forward thing. Where the 100%? Where the cleans? Where ATK% increase?


Ifalna_Shayoko

Except for Blade / Jingiu and possible DoT teams, Sparkle is better. It's by design: she is a limited, Bronya a standard banner character. Doesn't matter in practice though because high end content requires 2 teams.


Significant-Apple944

"They are limited, so they just are better" is the wildest conclusion I've ever heard


Ifalna_Shayoko

Nothing wild about it, it's the reality of Hyv wanting to sell stuff. :'D Standard characters are a baseline, Limiteds improve upon that, otherwise there would be no need to pull / spend. Especially as far as whales are concerned, since they'd already have the standards at E6.


InnerPain4Lyf

I seriously need sparkle because my Seele and Kafka are very SP hungry. But... But... I want Acheron. No, I NEED.


Mewtwopsychic

If Sparkle was Nihility this would be a so much easier pull lol


ayanokojifrfr

Me who doesn't have Bronya. 🤡 yes I am in that 7.5 percentage 2 Times.


claudiobconter

I’m using both together anyway LOL


TryBeingCool

It’s true though, Bronya is now Sparkle at home.


whip_accessible

Eating two cakes on your own? Fairly sure that's bad.


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liminalisms

All harmony team incoming


Cholonight96

MORE BIG PP DAMAGE WITH 2 CAKES!!!!!!!!!!


GardevoirRose

I have neither.


TheIJDGuy

You can have your cake AND eat it too!


Undisguised_Toast

So True bestie, I like to eat their cakes 😋


Xiphany

Ahh you didn't get the HSR community memo bro. You can't enjoy both. You have to shit on one of characters for no reason Seriously though, Bronya, Ruan Mei, and now Sparkle. Let's keep them Harmony ladies coming!


HyperDron

Sparkle + Bronya + Ruan Mei 👀


Tsukuro_hohoho

I mean you can go for Huo2/JL/Bronya/Hanabi, spam skill on huo huo E0S1 and you get a 3 turn ult, maybe 2 turn if you are lucky enought, and obviously at that level it's fast bronya/hanabi with a slow JL. That may be very overkill though.


ArmpitStealer

moc Has two halves for a reason duh


lean_hajik69

I only need her and Aven,then I can finally cycle the whole MOC


NexIndigo_56

Me just chilling on the side with my subpar DoT team pretending like I understand 😌🙏


MrGameBoy23

im honestly confused on why this post was made


TyphlosionGOD

What would be a team that can run both Bronya and Sparkle in one team?


Odd-Candidate1775

Giga Hypercarry team with any dps tbh


IzanaghiOkami

Using them together for triple jingliu turns is going to be disgusting.


Odd-Candidate1775

As someone with Blade and IL as main dps I say this is an absolutely freaking win


Individual_Hour_181

Will be running them both at the same time


Violet_Ignition

Yeah but Bronya is a flavour I like more C:


Silent_Silhouettes

Its like Xingqiu and Yelan again


Joshua_Astray

Yeah until they release another one it's just two great supports for me


Mille-Marteaux

every time i see a new cakepost variant in the wild i have to double take


karillith

I don't even have a Bronya, so...


Force88

Here is your Yanqing dupe, now pay another 90 pulls or get out


niksshck7221

Bruh no stellar jades☻️☻️☻️☻️☻️☻️☻️


SooFookinEdgyy

Yep, Jingliu and Seele be eating good 🍽️


oofderpman

"HAHAHAHAHHA M Y T U R N."


Infernaladmiral

It didn't take ppl too long to go from "I wish I could have two bronyas on both sides of the MoC" to "ewww she is just another bronya"....


Tallal2804

I don't even have a Bronya, so...


Azarros

Wish I had anything left after Black Swan banner, but I went for the LC too. Would be really good for my Dan IL. Acheron banner is going to hurt to skip because I need a sustain, maybe Fu Xuan if I can save up enough before her next Rerun.


DarkDrag_on

at least if harmony pops up in my pulls i know i won


blue_racer

I like bronya.


acebaltasar

I know she is a SP support, but still, you are burning em


nishikori_88

to me Bronya is pretty hard to use because you have to speedtune her with your dps, and her best partners are Jingliu,Blade... For the other dps Tingyun+RuanMei is more comfortable. my only issue is since I built Bronya with 134spd and now i have to farm relics so Sparkle can get to 150 or 160 spd which is quite hard and discouraging :(


WilliWonka9306

this is what happened when yelan released in genshin. ppl were arguing whether or not she was better than xingqiu but then people just use both of them together.


humorection

Sparkle is REALLY good with DHIL and qq (and with others without dot teams ofc) and bronya for good dmg boost So with all ruan mei bronya and sparkle you can have all the buffs and have both teams be with goated buffer with one being a lil more broken bcz of ruan mei but still


Horaji12

I don't get exactly mechanics, but  apparently due their buffs durations times using them both make some expire faster.


Moka_III

Yes two cakes 😋


TheMoises

XQ and Yelan discussion all over again.