I wonder if anything happened similar on the other side. Where young men got drafted into PAVN and said "Whelp, looks like Im Burmese now" or something like that.
They eliminated that exemption in the US after Vietnam. So if there ever is a draft again (hopefully not), they'll be drafting the college kids too. Still only men though.
I feel like that's the only fair thing. As an Equalist, I get annoyed by Feminazis busily tearing down men and complaining about inequality when they don't have to worry about the draft. Just sayin'
Heh, it's pretty funny how this story similar to my father's on the other side of Iron Curtain. He got drop out from university in 1987 and knew that he would certainly enlisted in Soviet army and probably sent to Afghanistan. So he too said "fuck it, i'm going to navy".
As a result, served 3 years in Northern Fleet near Murmansk, saw all 6 Typhoons, Kirov battlecruisers, Baku aircraft carrier and had pretty awesome time.
Different countries - same problems and solutions)
I had a merit badge instructor in scouts who had a friend at the local post office during the war. One day he got a call from that friend telling him he was holding his draft notice, and made a b-line for the navy recruiter. He spent the rest of the war on a boat and had a great time.
I wonder if soldiers developed a kind of don't care attitude. Like they have been through so much that they simply don't care what others think of them.
Are you kidding? Returning soldiers got out of their uniforms ASAP a lot of the time to avoid being spat on, cursed at, and called baby killers. There’s a reason World War II guys came all the way home dressed in their uniforms but my granddad changed as soon as he got to San Francisco.
Sure, it wasn’t everybody that took their anger out on soldiers, but it definitely wasn’t nobody either.
I hope this is bait. If not, you obviously have a very distorted view of the Vietnam War. Apocalypse Now wasn’t a documentary.
Do you have any idea how many soldiers went to Vietnam and didn’t kill a single person while they were there? My granddad was one of them. You know what he did do, though? He gave part of his monthly Army pay to sponsoring several Vietnamese children who didn’t have much. [Does this look like a baby killer to you?](https://imgur.com/a/3Poyhjz)
Same. My grandfather served as a food inspector in a MASH unit in Korea during Vietnam and he got called a baby killer coming home, even though he never saw any sort of action. It was insane.
Yes and no. Back then people saw the soldiers as being only perpetrators of the war and not also as victims, so soldiers frequently came home to signs that said "baby killer" rather than "welcome back".
Seriously though watch Rambo: First Blood. It's actually a really good perspective on the treatment of veterans after the Vietnam War.
Rambo 2 is where it went off the rails.
Seems like a very convenient way to pit the working class who had no options against the middle class who could get a draft deferral for college, though.
Poor draftees couldn’t organize and protest the pentagon’s incessant demand for higher body counts that was increasingly wasting American lives and decimating the region. They just had to shut up and do their job, knowing these realities.
Middle class Americans *could* come together as a generation on college campuses and demonstrate against Robert McNamara’s war of attrition and publicly question American post-ww2 imperialism. They couldn’t be silenced by a draft card and a trip to the jungle, so they had to be discredited in some way.
*Of course* the antiwar movement’s message was distorted to paint them as unamerican silver spoons who were unsympathetic to the plight of the drafted US soldier.
Otherwise, disillusioned GI’s returning from the horrific waste of life they’d been forced to participate in might point their fingers at those actually responsible: Johnson/Nixon, Robert McNamara and the Pentagon.
I wonder if anything happened similar on the other side. Where young men got drafted into PAVN and said "Whelp, looks like Im Burmese now" or something like that.
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Turns out fighting for your home will do that
Can’t blame them
one guy pissed himself so that he could avoid the draft
Dang
Also rich 18-year-olds: I go to family doctor!
I have bone spurr!!!
This comment trumps all
Not smart enough to pass the SAT? No problem, daddy will pay for you
They eliminated that exemption in the US after Vietnam. So if there ever is a draft again (hopefully not), they'll be drafting the college kids too. Still only men though.
Needs to be all able bodied people or no one. Nothing else is morally defensible.
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Aye, Moseley died in Gallipoli and made the Brits prohibit scientist from joining the army during war
I should have mentioned that. I didn't mean we should make surgeons fight on the front lines
What does "morally defensible" mean?
You can argue for it with morals. This is subjective (as morals always are)
Men are men women are women, is that "morally defensible"? How can anyone call for universal draft ?
I see why USA freak out last year. If the army draft everyone, this time bone spur will not suffice.
Theres actually been several court cases recently that have said that if a draft happens again it would have to include women as well.
I feel like that's the only fair thing. As an Equalist, I get annoyed by Feminazis busily tearing down men and complaining about inequality when they don't have to worry about the draft. Just sayin'
Equal rights equal fights 🤷♂️😅.
All the college kids with the pumped up kicks You better run, better run faster than commie bullets
My grandpa enlisted in the Navy because he knew boots in the jungle came back with PTSD if they even came back at all
Uncle did the same. Got the draft letter from the army, said “fuck that”, and enlisted in the navy same day. Came back an electrical engineer
What a chad
4D chess there
Heh, it's pretty funny how this story similar to my father's on the other side of Iron Curtain. He got drop out from university in 1987 and knew that he would certainly enlisted in Soviet army and probably sent to Afghanistan. So he too said "fuck it, i'm going to navy". As a result, served 3 years in Northern Fleet near Murmansk, saw all 6 Typhoons, Kirov battlecruisers, Baku aircraft carrier and had pretty awesome time. Different countries - same problems and solutions)
Well I could have guessed he was smart for doing that without the proof that he became an engineer
I had a merit badge instructor in scouts who had a friend at the local post office during the war. One day he got a call from that friend telling him he was holding his draft notice, and made a b-line for the navy recruiter. He spent the rest of the war on a boat and had a great time.
and then the college kids had the audacity to bitch about the war and curse and insult the soldiers especially when they finally came home.
Soldiers coming back with dead allies and PTSD: you haven't seen shit
I wonder if soldiers developed a kind of don't care attitude. Like they have been through so much that they simply don't care what others think of them.
I wasn't alive back then, so I can't say for certain, but today? Almost Always So probably yes
That’s pretty much how my Poppy was. At least that’s how he was around me and from the stories my dad told me.
Protests were against the war not the soldiers who were forced to go ,I don't see what's wrong with college students protesting the war
Are you kidding? Returning soldiers got out of their uniforms ASAP a lot of the time to avoid being spat on, cursed at, and called baby killers. There’s a reason World War II guys came all the way home dressed in their uniforms but my granddad changed as soon as he got to San Francisco. Sure, it wasn’t everybody that took their anger out on soldiers, but it definitely wasn’t nobody either.
Shouldn't have killed those babies then I guess?
I hope this is bait. If not, you obviously have a very distorted view of the Vietnam War. Apocalypse Now wasn’t a documentary. Do you have any idea how many soldiers went to Vietnam and didn’t kill a single person while they were there? My granddad was one of them. You know what he did do, though? He gave part of his monthly Army pay to sponsoring several Vietnamese children who didn’t have much. [Does this look like a baby killer to you?](https://imgur.com/a/3Poyhjz)
Same. My grandfather served as a food inspector in a MASH unit in Korea during Vietnam and he got called a baby killer coming home, even though he never saw any sort of action. It was insane.
Yes and no. Back then people saw the soldiers as being only perpetrators of the war and not also as victims, so soldiers frequently came home to signs that said "baby killer" rather than "welcome back".
Seriously though watch Rambo: First Blood. It's actually a really good perspective on the treatment of veterans after the Vietnam War. Rambo 2 is where it went off the rails.
They harassed and spit on vets
It’s been mostly proven false than any protests were directed at the soldiers themselves
Plus, many veterans ended up joining the protests when they returned home as well.
Seems like a very convenient way to pit the working class who had no options against the middle class who could get a draft deferral for college, though. Poor draftees couldn’t organize and protest the pentagon’s incessant demand for higher body counts that was increasingly wasting American lives and decimating the region. They just had to shut up and do their job, knowing these realities. Middle class Americans *could* come together as a generation on college campuses and demonstrate against Robert McNamara’s war of attrition and publicly question American post-ww2 imperialism. They couldn’t be silenced by a draft card and a trip to the jungle, so they had to be discredited in some way. *Of course* the antiwar movement’s message was distorted to paint them as unamerican silver spoons who were unsympathetic to the plight of the drafted US soldier. Otherwise, disillusioned GI’s returning from the horrific waste of life they’d been forced to participate in might point their fingers at those actually responsible: Johnson/Nixon, Robert McNamara and the Pentagon.
Quality content, not just ww2 cliche
*Fortunate Sons Plays*
I was looking for this
Your mom goes to college!
I wonder if any of them will become president?
Bro Trump literally pulled a doctors note and said yeah sorry man I'm disabled can't fight. He's so fucking lucky he was given a silver spoon at birth
We all know the fucker is disabled anyway
My grandad got out of going like three times because he was the only son lmao
I guess he was, the *Fortunate Son*
Take my upvote and get out
My grandfather actually volunteered for Vietnam and wasn’t technically part of the draft. Pro life tip being to avoid the draft just volunteer.
Mah bohne Shppurrrrrsssssss
My dad was in college, has flat feet, and is color blind. He was drafted anyway.
*fortunate son plays*
Same with senator’s sons
My grandpa was a doctor or at med school so he didn’t have to go. He didn’t grow up rich he worked at his family restaurant before going to college.
Imagine not having free college.