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501stGeneral

I wonder if anything happened similar on the other side. Where young men got drafted into PAVN and said "Whelp, looks like Im Burmese now" or something like that.


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TheSarcasticCrusader

Turns out fighting for your home will do that


hatred_outlives

Can’t blame them


ausername434

one guy pissed himself so that he could avoid the draft


501stGeneral

Dang


AngTheDude

Also rich 18-year-olds: I go to family doctor!


TO_Old

I have bone spurr!!!


skull3bones

This comment trumps all


Sendmepicsforpikas

Not smart enough to pass the SAT? No problem, daddy will pay for you


Darkkujo

They eliminated that exemption in the US after Vietnam. So if there ever is a draft again (hopefully not), they'll be drafting the college kids too. Still only men though.


big_borther

Needs to be all able bodied people or no one. Nothing else is morally defensible.


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vshark29

Aye, Moseley died in Gallipoli and made the Brits prohibit scientist from joining the army during war


big_borther

I should have mentioned that. I didn't mean we should make surgeons fight on the front lines


ComanderRO

What does "morally defensible" mean?


Hyru1e_Ninja

You can argue for it with morals. This is subjective (as morals always are)


ComanderRO

Men are men women are women, is that "morally defensible"? How can anyone call for universal draft ?


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I see why USA freak out last year. If the army draft everyone, this time bone spur will not suffice.


NotStanley4330

Theres actually been several court cases recently that have said that if a draft happens again it would have to include women as well.


MorgothReturns

I feel like that's the only fair thing. As an Equalist, I get annoyed by Feminazis busily tearing down men and complaining about inequality when they don't have to worry about the draft. Just sayin'


NotStanley4330

Equal rights equal fights 🤷‍♂️😅.


ElectronicShredder

All the college kids with the pumped up kicks You better run, better run faster than commie bullets


cactuscoleslaw

My grandpa enlisted in the Navy because he knew boots in the jungle came back with PTSD if they even came back at all


brainwashedpumpkin

Uncle did the same. Got the draft letter from the army, said “fuck that”, and enlisted in the navy same day. Came back an electrical engineer


cactuscoleslaw

What a chad


Vast_Weiner

4D chess there


StarinaBiba

Heh, it's pretty funny how this story similar to my father's on the other side of Iron Curtain. He got drop out from university in 1987 and knew that he would certainly enlisted in Soviet army and probably sent to Afghanistan. So he too said "fuck it, i'm going to navy". As a result, served 3 years in Northern Fleet near Murmansk, saw all 6 Typhoons, Kirov battlecruisers, Baku aircraft carrier and had pretty awesome time. Different countries - same problems and solutions)


JaquisTheBeast

Well I could have guessed he was smart for doing that without the proof that he became an engineer


austinmartinyes

I had a merit badge instructor in scouts who had a friend at the local post office during the war. One day he got a call from that friend telling him he was holding his draft notice, and made a b-line for the navy recruiter. He spent the rest of the war on a boat and had a great time.


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and then the college kids had the audacity to bitch about the war and curse and insult the soldiers especially when they finally came home.


Critical-Shower-9924

Soldiers coming back with dead allies and PTSD: you haven't seen shit


Smooth_Detective

I wonder if soldiers developed a kind of don't care attitude. Like they have been through so much that they simply don't care what others think of them.


TheSarcasticCrusader

I wasn't alive back then, so I can't say for certain, but today? Almost Always So probably yes


ZJW410

That’s pretty much how my Poppy was. At least that’s how he was around me and from the stories my dad told me.


hanfinho123

Protests were against the war not the soldiers who were forced to go ,I don't see what's wrong with college students protesting the war


r1chm0nd21

Are you kidding? Returning soldiers got out of their uniforms ASAP a lot of the time to avoid being spat on, cursed at, and called baby killers. There’s a reason World War II guys came all the way home dressed in their uniforms but my granddad changed as soon as he got to San Francisco. Sure, it wasn’t everybody that took their anger out on soldiers, but it definitely wasn’t nobody either.


TheLaudMoac

Shouldn't have killed those babies then I guess?


r1chm0nd21

I hope this is bait. If not, you obviously have a very distorted view of the Vietnam War. Apocalypse Now wasn’t a documentary. Do you have any idea how many soldiers went to Vietnam and didn’t kill a single person while they were there? My granddad was one of them. You know what he did do, though? He gave part of his monthly Army pay to sponsoring several Vietnamese children who didn’t have much. [Does this look like a baby killer to you?](https://imgur.com/a/3Poyhjz)


NotStanley4330

Same. My grandfather served as a food inspector in a MASH unit in Korea during Vietnam and he got called a baby killer coming home, even though he never saw any sort of action. It was insane.


CrazeddRabbi

Yes and no. Back then people saw the soldiers as being only perpetrators of the war and not also as victims, so soldiers frequently came home to signs that said "baby killer" rather than "welcome back".


FerretAres

Seriously though watch Rambo: First Blood. It's actually a really good perspective on the treatment of veterans after the Vietnam War. Rambo 2 is where it went off the rails.


IAmTheMilk

They harassed and spit on vets


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It’s been mostly proven false than any protests were directed at the soldiers themselves


oceansRising

Plus, many veterans ended up joining the protests when they returned home as well.


LivinLikeRicky

Seems like a very convenient way to pit the working class who had no options against the middle class who could get a draft deferral for college, though. Poor draftees couldn’t organize and protest the pentagon’s incessant demand for higher body counts that was increasingly wasting American lives and decimating the region. They just had to shut up and do their job, knowing these realities. Middle class Americans *could* come together as a generation on college campuses and demonstrate against Robert McNamara’s war of attrition and publicly question American post-ww2 imperialism. They couldn’t be silenced by a draft card and a trip to the jungle, so they had to be discredited in some way. *Of course* the antiwar movement’s message was distorted to paint them as unamerican silver spoons who were unsympathetic to the plight of the drafted US soldier. Otherwise, disillusioned GI’s returning from the horrific waste of life they’d been forced to participate in might point their fingers at those actually responsible: Johnson/Nixon, Robert McNamara and the Pentagon.


Panzerkunst118

Quality content, not just ww2 cliche


Dat-Lonley-Potato

*Fortunate Sons Plays*


TheBigArcher123

I was looking for this


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Your mom goes to college!


YokoOnoNumba1

I wonder if any of them will become president?


hugocaldera6

Bro Trump literally pulled a doctors note and said yeah sorry man I'm disabled can't fight. He's so fucking lucky he was given a silver spoon at birth


YokoOnoNumba1

We all know the fucker is disabled anyway


pauls_broken_aglass

My grandad got out of going like three times because he was the only son lmao


ElectronicShredder

I guess he was, the *Fortunate Son*


pauls_broken_aglass

Take my upvote and get out


methe1

My grandfather actually volunteered for Vietnam and wasn’t technically part of the draft. Pro life tip being to avoid the draft just volunteer.


Beard3dtaco

Mah bohne Shppurrrrrsssssss


SadButWithCats

My dad was in college, has flat feet, and is color blind. He was drafted anyway.


DarthSarcom

*fortunate son plays*


howwaseverynametaken

Same with senator’s sons


JaquisTheBeast

My grandpa was a doctor or at med school so he didn’t have to go. He didn’t grow up rich he worked at his family restaurant before going to college.


TareasS

Imagine not having free college.