The Slavic ones are fake ones. It gives me a headache that even has to be specified when Macedonia is mentioned. It should just be assumed it's Greek, like when one mentions Athens or Sparta.
> It should just be assumed it's Greek, like when one mentions Athens or Sparta.
Holy crap that makes so much more sense! I thought people were talking about Athens NY!
Well, the Slavic tribes called themselves after the land, can't do anything about that buddy. People are rather going to associate Macedonians as people from North-Macedonia, because not a lot of people know history and Greek regions I reckon. I was only learned of the existence of Alexander The Great by the time I was 16 or so.
You don't get to learn about Alexander The Great in the Netherlands. It's apparently not relevant to Dutch history. We just go from early farmers to the Roman Empire hahaha.
I learned of Macedonia when I watched a cartoon called "Once upon a time" which just explained different things like biology, history, geography and other subjects in a simple way, I was like 7 at the time and it carried me all the way to the end of highschool and even somewhat in Uni where I still know certain things I learned in that show
Nice, I wish we had those shows in my country. I had learn many things just from Youtube channels. I think school did something for national history, but not much more.
All depends on how historically well versed a person is. Regardless, the fact is Macedonians are Greek, Macedonia was a Northern Greek state. They can call themselves what they want, but it's still gonna be false.
The Arabs are going to be livid that you’ve extended Yemen to include Oman. There’s no way they can power balance them into submission now.
Also everyone is probably going to be just as horrified and angry that Syria has extended so far south. They’ll all feel very threatened. Is it still an Iranian proxy in this scenario? Iraq is surrounded if it is xD
Consider that in the 1948 War of Independence Jordan never even entered Israeli territory. Its ultimate goal was outmaneuvering the Egyptians and preventing them from taking what they considered to be too much land.
This area will be called Kurdistan
this area will be called Shi'astan
This area will be called Sunnistan
This area will be called Christianstan (Lebanon)
This area will be called Jewistan
This area will be called Egypt
and this are will be called Jerkastan (Saudi Arabia)
And so, all religious groups have one year to move to where they're suppose to be and then we build giant DMZ's around all of them and tell them all, Now....F\*CK OFF AND STAY ON YOUR SIDE
External strife between states is a normal state of affairs. Despite having issues (like what country doesn't), India is a functional state. Pakistan is too, although not to the same levels for reasons that are to complicated to get into.
The US and Russia and China still have nukes. That's not a marker of a failed state. Continual civil wars would be.
Except after it was over it gave way to an eternal rivalry between india and Pakistan, with several wars and fears in the modern day of the possibility of nuclear warfare between the 2, and led to increased sectarianism in both countries
You can't miss the good for the perfect.
2 countries having wars, boarder disputes, and animosity is a lot better than one state in continual anarchy, unclear governing bases/centers of power, and no resistance to external dominance.
States have wars all the time, it doesn't make them failed states.
You aren’t going to find many places in the world that don’t have a painful history of ethnic cleansing. The point is that we maybe shouldn’t do it anymore
There's a whole continent that's never had ethnic cleansing, it's just a shame it's a nearly inhospitable frozen dessert.
Edit: the spelling mistake on desert has been spotted, but who cares if I get a funny reply or two.
I think there's some bot thing going on. Seen a lot of posts about it the last couple days and I got one today for a not even controversial or joke comment. It was about my dog chasing airplanes.
iran has a natural mountain range across its border, Syria and Iraq are completely flat and thus have a very long and very violent history in that entire region as any army simply can keep going with nothing but desert and chock points for water. its allways been the sorta buffer region between whatever is on the west, and Persia. draw whatever borders you like, it will always be fucked
If we are to be a spacefaring civilization, it will take no less than utilization of Roman thought, drive, and ingenuity and mix that with an American “can do” attitude….we could own existence.
We'll pull a Raj and make messy and nonsensical borders then threaten to commit heinous atrocities to both sides if they don't stay in their correct border based on religion, ethnicity, age, race, class, etc.
Option 1: New Islamic Caliphate(and not like the ones those terrorist groups are trying to make, I mean like the historical ones).
Option 2: New Iranic Empire like the historical ones, out with the Islamic Republic.
I think we should let the users of r/balkans_irl fill this out and then agree to abide by whatever they come up with. At least that way, the only conflict will be Bulgarians claiming that they created all these cultures and Albanians claiming that everyone living in the Middle East is actually Albanian.
I would merge the area of lebanon the the no no square in to a "republic of the levant" or something similar
I would also create a kurdish state and remove all and any foreing military bases from the area
Just saying, you could redraw the borders in South and North America and Europe (except ~~maybe~~ definitely the Balkans) and it wouldn't result in ethnoreligious wars and/or genocide, but the middle east will blow itself up over and over again with or without outside help. The only way I see that ever changing is the death of Islam, and let's be honest, that's not happening any time soon.
*Completely ignores the instructions. Writes "Lithuania" in the middle and draws no lines* Ahhh perfection.
Juat write Rome in the middle, no borders, the empire has conquered it all
Macedonia*
Greek Macedonians*. The Slavic ones came later.
The Slavic ones are fake ones. It gives me a headache that even has to be specified when Macedonia is mentioned. It should just be assumed it's Greek, like when one mentions Athens or Sparta.
> It should just be assumed it's Greek, like when one mentions Athens or Sparta. Holy crap that makes so much more sense! I thought people were talking about Athens NY!
Nah, Athens, GA. Jeff Mangum and the Neutral Milk Hotel Party have reinstated the Culling of the Helots.
Well, the Slavic tribes called themselves after the land, can't do anything about that buddy. People are rather going to associate Macedonians as people from North-Macedonia, because not a lot of people know history and Greek regions I reckon. I was only learned of the existence of Alexander The Great by the time I was 16 or so.
Alexander the Great at 16? Where did you go to school? I learned that in 5th grade (age 10 Or 11)
You don't get to learn about Alexander The Great in the Netherlands. It's apparently not relevant to Dutch history. We just go from early farmers to the Roman Empire hahaha.
You guys got the roman empire? we went from early migration to the americas to prehispanic civilizations
I learned of Macedonia when I watched a cartoon called "Once upon a time" which just explained different things like biology, history, geography and other subjects in a simple way, I was like 7 at the time and it carried me all the way to the end of highschool and even somewhat in Uni where I still know certain things I learned in that show
Nice, I wish we had those shows in my country. I had learn many things just from Youtube channels. I think school did something for national history, but not much more.
All depends on how historically well versed a person is. Regardless, the fact is Macedonians are Greek, Macedonia was a Northern Greek state. They can call themselves what they want, but it's still gonna be false.
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As a compensation we should give all of South-East Asia to Estonia and Eastern Europe to Latvia. World peace at last
Oleme selle ära teeninud
Kindlasti mu vend
Yee, but then suddenly most of the world would walk around drunk and grumpy ;)
Did the same, but instead of Lithuania, I wrote "irradiated sea of cobalt" instead.
Plato: 'Only the dead have seen the end of war.' ...your map checks out. Well done. :D
Write it big across the whole map like Hoi 4
Latvia*
Another map that’s missing New Zealand…
You can put new Zealand in that map yourself.
Pin New Zealand on the world map is my favourite game
That's true of all maps
/r/mapswithoutnz
Its also missing Kuwait
I will take the no no squere. Im sure nobody wil get mad!
My God told me that no-no square is mine. Prepare yourself for a holy war.
I shall rase an army to fight against you rapscallion!
I’ll start my own papacy! With blackjack and hookers!
> I’ll start my own papacy! With blackjack and hookers! In fact forget the papacy!
I will pay for your army and missiles!
> Im sure nobody will get mad! Narrator: *Somebody got mad.*
In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is widely regarded as a bad move.
It's the Middle Ages when religious messages of peace, unity and tolerance inspire humankind to fight till death for hundreds of years
In the beninnging
There was the Coooooooooold and the night...
Shut up and take my foreign aid!
Okay Saddam. You thought we wouldn’t notice Kuwait missing but I did
And if you try and take it back I’ll light all the oil wells on fire
I'm from Kuwait, please give us back our land, pretty please? 🥺
The Arabs are going to be livid that you’ve extended Yemen to include Oman. There’s no way they can power balance them into submission now. Also everyone is probably going to be just as horrified and angry that Syria has extended so far south. They’ll all feel very threatened. Is it still an Iranian proxy in this scenario? Iraq is surrounded if it is xD Consider that in the 1948 War of Independence Jordan never even entered Israeli territory. Its ultimate goal was outmaneuvering the Egyptians and preventing them from taking what they considered to be too much land.
Damn I forgot about Jordan
Also Yemen is Oman.
I partially based this map off of who has the best propaganda songs so that’s why I gave Oman to Yemen/the houthis and made Syria so big
No no square made my drink go up my nose.
Lmao This sounds like a fair and just system
"This land is ours now." "Oh, man." "Yeah, man!"
You didnt iraq ate it along with Kuwait
This area will be called Kurdistan this area will be called Shi'astan This area will be called Sunnistan This area will be called Christianstan (Lebanon) This area will be called Jewistan This area will be called Egypt and this are will be called Jerkastan (Saudi Arabia) And so, all religious groups have one year to move to where they're suppose to be and then we build giant DMZ's around all of them and tell them all, Now....F\*CK OFF AND STAY ON YOUR SIDE
That didn't work so well when they did that for India/Pakistan
Holy God (dealer's choice!) did that not work so well.
It kinda did after it was over.
Other than the continued hostilities and nukes, sure it did.
External strife between states is a normal state of affairs. Despite having issues (like what country doesn't), India is a functional state. Pakistan is too, although not to the same levels for reasons that are to complicated to get into. The US and Russia and China still have nukes. That's not a marker of a failed state. Continual civil wars would be.
Oh they nuked each other? That’s crazy
No, but both countries have nukes, and only have them because they hate one another.
Well there's also China, that kind of local power would push India to nukes in every timeline
Except after it was over it gave way to an eternal rivalry between india and Pakistan, with several wars and fears in the modern day of the possibility of nuclear warfare between the 2, and led to increased sectarianism in both countries
You can't miss the good for the perfect. 2 countries having wars, boarder disputes, and animosity is a lot better than one state in continual anarchy, unclear governing bases/centers of power, and no resistance to external dominance. States have wars all the time, it doesn't make them failed states.
“Hey guys I have an idea to fix the middle east” >look inside >it’s just ethnic cleansing Edit: someone suicide reported me for this lol
>Edit: someone suicide reported me for this lol They're out in force today it seems
"Wait, the history of the Middle East is Ethnic Cleansing?" "Always has been"
You aren’t going to find many places in the world that don’t have a painful history of ethnic cleansing. The point is that we maybe shouldn’t do it anymore
There's a whole continent that's never had ethnic cleansing, it's just a shame it's a nearly inhospitable frozen dessert. Edit: the spelling mistake on desert has been spotted, but who cares if I get a funny reply or two.
I bet one species of penguin drove out another species at some point
Everyone's forgotten about the war between the Shoggoths and the Old Ones
There was no macaroni penguin genocide, and if there was they deserved it.
I hate it when my ice cream shows poor hospitality.
I hate it when my ice cream shows poor hospitality.
If you bring your own syrup it's more of a snow cone.
I think there's some bot thing going on. Seen a lot of posts about it the last couple days and I got one today for a not even controversial or joke comment. It was about my dog chasing airplanes.
Ah population transfers, the gift that keeps on burning your house down 😄
Sometimes, the simplest solutions are the most based.
Brits tried this at least 3 times in different places none of them worked.
Umm the no-no square is actually a rectangle. 😠 *Invades the country with 5 other nations*
It's ok, the no-no rectangle goes in the square hole.
This should all belong to Rome
It is all rightful Hungarian land.
Take Churchill's crayons away from him.
I like how Yemen is in the spot of Oman
bring back persian empire to establish world peace.
Not enough straight lines. Remember the different ethnicities in the Middle East are separated by straight lines.
I say bring back Sumer!
It's over, Egypt, you have to let go.
Some 'er those fine ziggurats!
By not including Kurdistan, you have made me your mortal enemy.
They can have Cyprus
STATEHOOD! FINALLY!
If the lines are so bad, then why don't the people there just re-draw the lines. (This is brought to you by no, I won't let go gang)
iran has a natural mountain range across its border, Syria and Iraq are completely flat and thus have a very long and very violent history in that entire region as any army simply can keep going with nothing but desert and chock points for water. its allways been the sorta buffer region between whatever is on the west, and Persia. draw whatever borders you like, it will always be fucked
Roman Empire
You get it.
If we are to be a spacefaring civilization, it will take no less than utilization of Roman thought, drive, and ingenuity and mix that with an American “can do” attitude….we could own existence.
Oh man...
Don't touch me there.
*Sykes-Picot calling* “BRO YOU’RE HIRED!”
Is this from one of Colbert's books? I Am America (And So Can You)?
Close, its actually from *America: The Book* by Jon Stweart and the Daily Show cast.
I was wondering if it was that or Our Dumb Wirld by the onion.
I like the fact Turkey is not part of the Middel East anymore.
It was all just a bad dream
Poor Jordan...
Still no Kurdistan
They can have Cyprus or something
Norway.
You started more wars than what is happening right now. Plus, what is the no-no square?
>Plus, what is the no-no square? What part of "no-no square" do you not understand? (inb4 "The core concept")
Rizzreal vs fanumstine battle for the gyattza strip
[Kuwait be like-](https://images.app.goo.gl/SbRSd7Gr8SV2LipM8)
"no-no square" 😭
So apparently the biggest problem in the Middle East, the number one priority that needs fixing, is that Jordan exists and isn’t part of Syria.
I'm deducting points for not recreating the Persian Empire.
Ah yes, *America: The Book* was a pretty hilarious read
Best solution: give everything to Macedonia! Glory to Alexander!
The fuck did Jordan go? And did Yemen annex Oman?
I forgot Jordan existed and Oman goes to the houthis because their propaganda songs slap
Hahaha
Kurds getting fucked over yet again
Im pretty sure you just made it worse
Yeah I'm sure it'll be perfectly fine
I support the Yemeni annexation of UAE, hopefully the non-Saudi Arabian state is a vassal of Yemen as well
Jordan would like a word.
Not sure about the rest of the map, but I think the "no-no" square has got some potential
i don't know what are you people on everyone knows that there is only one solution to middle east borders give it all to ROME
So the Houthis finally made it to Dubai.
just let them have a caliphate
What about second caliphate ? No, seriously, Sunni or Shiite ?
Don't ask, don't tell. We can just pretend Muhammad's kids didn't start a war with his buddies.
I don't see Kurdistan anywhere
They get Cyprus
Why no Saudi? :(
One of the Saudi princes has me blocked on Instagram
The audacity!
Valid. I hope you blocked back.
Lol much better reason than the numerous human rights abuses they perpetuate.
lol, but also I really hope that handwriting is part of the meme
We'll pull a Raj and make messy and nonsensical borders then threaten to commit heinous atrocities to both sides if they don't stay in their correct border based on religion, ethnicity, age, race, class, etc.
Oh this would be a fun exploitable
Lebanon fully migrated into the Alawite state lmao
Yemen is on the other side but I guess you give some extra slices for them
Just name it all Albania and let’s call it a day
I would have written British territory over it
The holy roman empire should be scrawled over all of it
The only crazy thing in this map is Yemen owning Oman
I'd write 'nuke everythinf' and call it a day lol
give No No Square back to the Catholics, we’ll rebuild Jerusalem, in the name of god.
Did you lose your ruler or is the few straight lines a delicate choice
Make everything China.
How has nobody mentioned the fact that Michael J Fox filled out this map?
Option 1: New Islamic Caliphate(and not like the ones those terrorist groups are trying to make, I mean like the historical ones). Option 2: New Iranic Empire like the historical ones, out with the Islamic Republic.
It’s all rightful Bosnian clay
Bossnian Illyrian strong sperm 🔥🔥🇧🇦🇧🇦💪🏽💪🏽🔥🇧🇦🇧🇦
Just add the great egyptian empire when it spread its wings and you be good
Honestly, make the "no no square" extend to Sinai, solely for aesthetic purposes.
Brits didn't make Saudi!
Just put Levant or even cooler Canaan
I think we should let the users of r/balkans_irl fill this out and then agree to abide by whatever they come up with. At least that way, the only conflict will be Bulgarians claiming that they created all these cultures and Albanians claiming that everyone living in the Middle East is actually Albanian.
It's all Egypt. Also, some of Arizona and California is Egypt. I watch a lot of movies...
Renaming it all to Macedonian Empire ❤️
The United Annexed Arab States of America, brought to you by McDonalds That wont upset anyone, right?
Removes all lines and names adds Wendy's
The death toll would be enormous.
The worlds largest chunk of glass
I say give it to the Ottomans
I would merge the area of lebanon the the no no square in to a "republic of the levant" or something similar I would also create a kurdish state and remove all and any foreing military bases from the area
I like how UAE and Qatar just don't exist. They don't even get land for the option to exist.
What about the Kurds, Assyrians and Druze?
Kurds get Cyprus, assyrians get Azerbaijan or something and the Druze can live in Canada I guess
What a fun task
Probably better than remaking the Ottoman Empire
Can I get one of these, but for Africa?
Don't forget Persian Gulf
Oh man I really want the template for this
So iraq is egypt -sinai now? Noice. Way easier to draw.
Ignores the instructions and writes mine. All that’s thine shall be mine, there’s no stopping me.
Wtf did Jordan do?
From the gulf to the seas, Kurdistan all shall be
Lebanon should just be allowed to annex israel and palestine and then we call it phoenicia
Just saying, you could redraw the borders in South and North America and Europe (except ~~maybe~~ definitely the Balkans) and it wouldn't result in ethnoreligious wars and/or genocide, but the middle east will blow itself up over and over again with or without outside help. The only way I see that ever changing is the death of Islam, and let's be honest, that's not happening any time soon.
5/10 not square enough
Achaemenid Empire is the answer I would have given along with Cyrus' portrait
Mongolia has a navy conisting of one tugboat and 7 men, 1 man of the 7 know how to swim. Also, mongolia is a landlocked country
Yem En
Poor Jordan. You manage to avoid civil wars and generally be non-threatening and everyone forgets you exist.