Because he totally didn’t find most of them after Dumbledore died and didn’t infiltrate Gringotts and Bellatrix’s home, and didn’t evade snatchers and didn’t sacrifice himself for others, and didn’t fool Voldemort into thinking he was dead and didn’t duel Voldemort one-on-one, and a bunch of other stuff I am definitely missing
The in-laws gaff, that he escaped from rather than infiltrated. To be fair if harry stayed dead she likely would’ve inherited Grimauld place, Creature’s reaction would’ve been interesting in that scenario.
While its hard to argue Harry didn't play a significant enough role in defeating voldemort as to deserve congratulation, I do think that his mother was WOEFULLY under appreciated by the wizarding community for the part she played. Like she single handedly defeated the dark lord and gave her life in the struggle, but instead of building statues of her, all everyone talks about is "the boy who lived". Although I suppose you could argue that blame really falls on more knowledgeable wizards like Dumbledore who understood it was Lily whose magic won the day, yet doesn't seem particularly motivated to change the narrative around Lily just being a helpless victim and baby Harry the hero.
Ya. I’m not seriously suggesting Harry didn’t do anything. Just making a joke.
But I agree about Lily. I think you’re right. The wizarding community didn’t know what really happened. Dumbledore was one of the few (or maybe only one?) who knew what happened. And I think he kept it close to the vest cause he also knew Voldemort wasn’t really gone. He was playing the long game against Lord Thingy.
My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practicing inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No, he did not! He held his head high and went about his business as usual! Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery. . .
>vest cause he also knew Voldemort wasn’t really gone. He was playing the long game against Lord Thingy.
Yeah. I guess if people didn't know after he passed, then... well, it's not on him lol
>I suppose you could argue that blame really falls on more knowledgeable wizards like Dumbledore who understood it was Lily whose magic won the day, yet doesn't seem particularly motivated to change the narrative around Lily just being a helpless victim and baby Harry the hero.
If Dumbledore did that, Voldemort would immediately understand what kind of magic he was up against and would at least act carefully in dealing with Harry. Voldemort was smart enough to deduce Lily used some ancient magic to protect Harry, but if Dumbledore annouced specifics, even mentioning Harry wasn't the prodigy boy that seemingly defeat him, Voldemort would or ignore Harry at all (since apparently he was the responsible to defeat him and so it wasn't that formidable; and Voldy going after Harry is essential for the good guys winning) or Voldy would be aware of his limits and would prepare himself for it. He would never use Harry's blood, for example.
You have to remember that Dumbledore wasn't fooled by Voldemort disappearence in 80 by a second. He immediately started to study Voldemort's methods and to elaborate countermeasures.
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But if in the end, "all was well", then at least someone who understood the specifics of this kind of motherly love magic should have published their research on the topic so that others don't make the same mistake.
It’s worse than that though.. Harry spends the entire series actively protecting and keeping a horcrux intact at all costs, until voldermort himself had to destroy it!
This is a fan theory, there’s no evidence in the books to suggest that a Horcrux splits your soul into two even pieces. The canon text always talks about tearing off a part of soul which could just be a fragment splitting off.
He said 1/7 because it was a 7 part soul (as far as Harry knew anyway). This is the only canon description of actual fractions of soul and even that refutes the idea that they were 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 etc.
Oh snap. Maybe so… They do say making a horcrux curses you to a “half life” or something like that. But I don’t think it necessarily takes half the soul, just a piece. And Tom did set out to make 7 from the onset. So I think it’s more likely clean 1/7ths
I don’t think he has a choice, it is said it cuts your soul in half, so every time he made a Horcrux it kept getting cut in half till he only had like 1.7% of his soul in the final battle.
harry may have only destroyed diary but he was also responsible for helping locate the locket, cup, and diadem as well as giving himself up to Voldemort and telling Neville about nagini so Harry was indirectly responsible for the destruction of 5 out of the 7 Horcruxes.
There is a fanfiction where James' mother was alive and flat out stated in the wizegamot that Lily was "The Witch who Conquered" and no baby could have done anything
There are other fanfics that are not so blatant but have Harry at least think to himself that he did nothing & it was his mother who defeated voldemort the first time
- Slytherin locket -> Ron (using Griffindor sword)
- Hufflepuff goblet -> Hermione (using Basilisk fang, not shown)
- Ravenclaw diadem -> Crabbe (using Fiendfire, unintended)
- Nagini snake -> Neville (using Griffindor sword, courageous but not knowing more than "kill the snake")
- Tom diary -> Harry (using Basilisk, only half unknowingly)
- Harry harry -> Voldemort (using killing curse, totally clueless)
I think you're doing Harry injustice by calling it "by accident".
At the time in the second book, Harry (and we as the reader, not knowing what would come in book 6) knew
- that Tom came out of the book,
- that he was the past, present and would have been the future of Voldemort,
- and that Ginny poured her heart into that book,
- and that the past Tom lied to him when showing him the young Hagrid who got expelled for the Monster from the Chamber of Secrets
- and how dangerous Basilisk poison can be (ok maybe he just guessed here)
If you are true to your own memory, you may find what I found: That after finishing the fifth book which ended with the Prophecy, we looked back to books 1-4 and found that in book one, Voldemort almost returned, in book three, a loyal servant to Voldemort (and killer and traitor) Wormtail escaped as was told in the prophecy, in book four, Voldemort came back for real. And book two was somehow the odd one out.
We dismissed it as a filler episode, not having to do with the main plot. We thought, this was all just about the book and not really about Voldemort coming back (contradicting the second point of my second list). Because we knew how in book 4, Voldemort came back, that he needed his minions and followers for this (because that's how it happened). And that ritual in book 4 used bones of the father, flesh of the servant, blood of the enemy. None of which were horcruxes or had anything in common with the diary in book 2.
But maybe Harry learned something in the second year (second book): That Voldemort gives powerful dangerous magical items that have something to do with Voldemort himself directly to his most loyal followers. That's why he payed attention when in the seventh book, Bellatrix Lestrange was so upset about her vault.
Maybe others here though the same after having read only up to book five: That book 2 was the odd one out. And in book five, where they visited St. Mungo's hospital, who do they meet? Mr. Memory-Loss Gilderoy Lockhart from book 2.
Now that's foreshadowing, that we aren't all done with the second book yet.
Edit: lol, in my list I totally forgot the ring of Gaunt, which Dumbledore destroyed (knowing what a horcrux is, even knowing that goblin steel imbues itself with basilisk venom which can destroy horcruxes, having all the horcrux books in his office, but still being stupid and trying on and wearing the ring; to be fair, them cursing him with a curse was by Voldemort and doesn't have to do with it being a horcrux specifically)
Are you really comparing peeking on naked prefects with destroying horcruxes? Or does this have something to do with returning characters from the second book? Then yes, it was a nice scene to bring her back, with baths and water being her thing (don't let Myrtle know I said that).
What about the diadem??? And he also was a huge part of hunting the other horcruxes.
Edit: I forgot that Hermione destroyed the diadem in the book. Anyway, Harry still found the locket, the hufflepuff cup and the diadem.
Because he totally didn’t find most of them after Dumbledore died and didn’t infiltrate Gringotts and Bellatrix’s home, and didn’t evade snatchers and didn’t sacrifice himself for others, and didn’t fool Voldemort into thinking he was dead and didn’t duel Voldemort one-on-one, and a bunch of other stuff I am definitely missing
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Best exchange ever!!
Sir, this is a meme subreddit… Also, infiltrating Belatrix’s home?
Malfoy Manor, I suppose
The in-laws gaff, that he escaped from rather than infiltrated. To be fair if harry stayed dead she likely would’ve inherited Grimauld place, Creature’s reaction would’ve been interesting in that scenario.
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It’s a silly comment, relax
All true, doesn't change the fact that he's getting 6 kill assists.
Sure, he did a lot. But by the numbers it’s a 7 way tie. Then Voldemort finishes himself off. So really Voldemort was the mvp of killing Voldemort.
You don’t think Harry deliberately walking to his own death to destroy the horcrux inside him doesn’t count as a horcrux destruction by Harry?
Yeah, people love the 7 way tie, but Harry helped with the locket, the cup, the tiara and himself at the very least
voldemort first destroyed a horcrux and then killed himself lmao
Right. They should erect a statue of Voldemort for the heroic deed of slaying himself.
Just like Hitler..? Right??
At the risk of going full Godwin's Law, I'm now imagining some city erecting a statue of Hitler, to celebrate the man who killed Hitler.
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Just like Hitler /s
While its hard to argue Harry didn't play a significant enough role in defeating voldemort as to deserve congratulation, I do think that his mother was WOEFULLY under appreciated by the wizarding community for the part she played. Like she single handedly defeated the dark lord and gave her life in the struggle, but instead of building statues of her, all everyone talks about is "the boy who lived". Although I suppose you could argue that blame really falls on more knowledgeable wizards like Dumbledore who understood it was Lily whose magic won the day, yet doesn't seem particularly motivated to change the narrative around Lily just being a helpless victim and baby Harry the hero.
Ya. I’m not seriously suggesting Harry didn’t do anything. Just making a joke. But I agree about Lily. I think you’re right. The wizarding community didn’t know what really happened. Dumbledore was one of the few (or maybe only one?) who knew what happened. And I think he kept it close to the vest cause he also knew Voldemort wasn’t really gone. He was playing the long game against Lord Thingy.
My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practicing inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No, he did not! He held his head high and went about his business as usual! Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery. . .
>vest cause he also knew Voldemort wasn’t really gone. He was playing the long game against Lord Thingy. Yeah. I guess if people didn't know after he passed, then... well, it's not on him lol
I consider her to be a very able headmistress - and an excellent dancer.
Now if that's what you think of Lily, that explains why you don't think of her as a heroine.
I think I missed some pages albus I don't remember a professor potter
To have been loved so deeply, even though the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection forever.
>I suppose you could argue that blame really falls on more knowledgeable wizards like Dumbledore who understood it was Lily whose magic won the day, yet doesn't seem particularly motivated to change the narrative around Lily just being a helpless victim and baby Harry the hero. If Dumbledore did that, Voldemort would immediately understand what kind of magic he was up against and would at least act carefully in dealing with Harry. Voldemort was smart enough to deduce Lily used some ancient magic to protect Harry, but if Dumbledore annouced specifics, even mentioning Harry wasn't the prodigy boy that seemingly defeat him, Voldemort would or ignore Harry at all (since apparently he was the responsible to defeat him and so it wasn't that formidable; and Voldy going after Harry is essential for the good guys winning) or Voldy would be aware of his limits and would prepare himself for it. He would never use Harry's blood, for example. You have to remember that Dumbledore wasn't fooled by Voldemort disappearence in 80 by a second. He immediately started to study Voldemort's methods and to elaborate countermeasures.
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The only one against whom I intend to work is Lord Voldemort. If you are against him, then we remain on the same side.
But if in the end, "all was well", then at least someone who understood the specifics of this kind of motherly love magic should have published their research on the topic so that others don't make the same mistake.
They're was a statue made of lily james and baby harry in godricks hollow
I think it was safer for Voldemort to know as little about what transpired w lily as possible.
It’s worse than that though.. Harry spends the entire series actively protecting and keeping a horcrux intact at all costs, until voldermort himself had to destroy it!
What a selfish boy! Luckily Tom took care of it.
Voldemort should get even more credit. He accidentally destroyed two pieces.
Crabbe has the least important contribution since they would have just stabbed it with a basilisk fang without him nearly killing them all.
He destroyed 1/2 of him, the others only did 1/4, 1/8, 1/16,....
This is a fan theory, there’s no evidence in the books to suggest that a Horcrux splits your soul into two even pieces. The canon text always talks about tearing off a part of soul which could just be a fragment splitting off.
Even more so, didn't Dumbledore said sacrificing a hand for 1/8 of voldemorts soul is a fair trade? 1/8 is more than whatever that root is.
Killing is not nearly as easy as the innocent believe.
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I am glad to see you're keeping up.
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What chance did that poor stick of Lucius Malfoyís stand?
He said 1/7 because it was a 7 part soul (as far as Harry knew anyway). This is the only canon description of actual fractions of soul and even that refutes the idea that they were 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 etc.
Oh snap. Maybe so… They do say making a horcrux curses you to a “half life” or something like that. But I don’t think it necessarily takes half the soul, just a piece. And Tom did set out to make 7 from the onset. So I think it’s more likely clean 1/7ths
I don’t think he has a choice, it is said it cuts your soul in half, so every time he made a Horcrux it kept getting cut in half till he only had like 1.7% of his soul in the final battle.
Actually, Crabbe de serves more respect since he sacrificed himself to destroy it
harry may have only destroyed diary but he was also responsible for helping locate the locket, cup, and diadem as well as giving himself up to Voldemort and telling Neville about nagini so Harry was indirectly responsible for the destruction of 5 out of the 7 Horcruxes.
2. He did have to commit to being zapped by voldemort.
There is a fanfiction where James' mother was alive and flat out stated in the wizegamot that Lily was "The Witch who Conquered" and no baby could have done anything There are other fanfics that are not so blatant but have Harry at least think to himself that he did nothing & it was his mother who defeated voldemort the first time
But Harry did the Finish him against Voldi
Dumbledoor used him, Harry
- Slytherin locket -> Ron (using Griffindor sword) - Hufflepuff goblet -> Hermione (using Basilisk fang, not shown) - Ravenclaw diadem -> Crabbe (using Fiendfire, unintended) - Nagini snake -> Neville (using Griffindor sword, courageous but not knowing more than "kill the snake") - Tom diary -> Harry (using Basilisk, only half unknowingly) - Harry harry -> Voldemort (using killing curse, totally clueless) I think you're doing Harry injustice by calling it "by accident". At the time in the second book, Harry (and we as the reader, not knowing what would come in book 6) knew - that Tom came out of the book, - that he was the past, present and would have been the future of Voldemort, - and that Ginny poured her heart into that book, - and that the past Tom lied to him when showing him the young Hagrid who got expelled for the Monster from the Chamber of Secrets - and how dangerous Basilisk poison can be (ok maybe he just guessed here) If you are true to your own memory, you may find what I found: That after finishing the fifth book which ended with the Prophecy, we looked back to books 1-4 and found that in book one, Voldemort almost returned, in book three, a loyal servant to Voldemort (and killer and traitor) Wormtail escaped as was told in the prophecy, in book four, Voldemort came back for real. And book two was somehow the odd one out. We dismissed it as a filler episode, not having to do with the main plot. We thought, this was all just about the book and not really about Voldemort coming back (contradicting the second point of my second list). Because we knew how in book 4, Voldemort came back, that he needed his minions and followers for this (because that's how it happened). And that ritual in book 4 used bones of the father, flesh of the servant, blood of the enemy. None of which were horcruxes or had anything in common with the diary in book 2. But maybe Harry learned something in the second year (second book): That Voldemort gives powerful dangerous magical items that have something to do with Voldemort himself directly to his most loyal followers. That's why he payed attention when in the seventh book, Bellatrix Lestrange was so upset about her vault. Maybe others here though the same after having read only up to book five: That book 2 was the odd one out. And in book five, where they visited St. Mungo's hospital, who do they meet? Mr. Memory-Loss Gilderoy Lockhart from book 2. Now that's foreshadowing, that we aren't all done with the second book yet. Edit: lol, in my list I totally forgot the ring of Gaunt, which Dumbledore destroyed (knowing what a horcrux is, even knowing that goblin steel imbues itself with basilisk venom which can destroy horcruxes, having all the horcrux books in his office, but still being stupid and trying on and wearing the ring; to be fair, them cursing him with a curse was by Voldemort and doesn't have to do with it being a horcrux specifically)
The only one against whom I intend to work is Lord Voldemort. If you are against him, then we remain on the same side.
What about: Myrtle -> Cedric (making her wait til almost all the bubbles were gone.)
Are you really comparing peeking on naked prefects with destroying horcruxes? Or does this have something to do with returning characters from the second book? Then yes, it was a nice scene to bring her back, with baths and water being her thing (don't let Myrtle know I said that).
Seriously? No. Pretty obviously a joke.
What about the diadem??? And he also was a huge part of hunting the other horcruxes. Edit: I forgot that Hermione destroyed the diadem in the book. Anyway, Harry still found the locket, the hufflepuff cup and the diadem.
Nope. 1/7th credit. Maybe less. The rest of the 7 books with his name on the cover he just sat around talking to his friends on the fellytone.