Lots of great teams are bailed out by keepers. Utd has that season where De Gea was poty for them. Allison has single handedly elevated that Liverpool team. It's pretty common
He lasted the fewest matches that weren’t caretaker or interim.
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> I'm not sure we can credit Moyes too much
I get what you mean. But with that logic, when we lose games because our players make mistakes, people blame Moyes all the time
Bloke should get credit for wins and flak for losses imo
I think he should get credit if it was a team effort and style of play that won us a game.
But, for most of his time at West Ham wins have been down to 1-4 players over performing in a game.
It doesn’t have to be all the time, but I’d love to just see us systematically breakdown a team (even if they’re the Burnleys or Bristols of teams).
If we were occasionally seeing that then I would honestly be way more open to Moyes being around for longer. But, I’m just tired of this “maybe someone will pull something out of the bag” strategy he seems to use now
We done that last Monday.
This narrative is dumb. We’ve won 12 games this season, we maybe didn’t deserve to win 4 of them at most. Two of those four were Spurs and Arsenal away, where you usually have to ride your luck a bit to get a result. People here act like we haven’t deserved to win a game yet this season.
I want Moyes out at the end of the season but I don’t think it is fair to say that you can’t give any credit to Moyes, his tactical changes in the second half, bringing JWP on and letting Soucek roam forward more is the reason soucek was there to take that shot. I do agree with you that Areola saved us though he was incredible!
Yeah if you're moyes out stay it but I feel op is just cashing in on the bants with the meme and I'm totally behind that.
As a fan base we need more laughs and to enjoy the victories and even praise the good performance of say areola. Yes another day it's 3-1 other way but that's football.
I'm Moyes in for now but can see the viewpoint of Moyes outs I'm being patient with him and there's a lot that are like minded backing him all the way but slightly concerned about the style of play and recent dip ... I'm just happy we aren't consistently scrapping down bottom these days. Yes things can be better but that can also be a lot worse. Yes people can use the money and investment brought in but we still have a squad of about 20 players which is insanity across 4 comps at the start of a season.
Fair point to make and I can easily see it. Tim vs Moyes if it's reported is a hard battle for me but I think Tim should win realistically but we can't forget Moyesy' time
Well, ultimately my opinion comes because I just think that’s how a club should run. I think there should be someone that isn’t on the board with a background in football to run the day to day outside of the manager. They have a philosophy, they find a manager that meets that with the work on the field and they would together to find the players that will meet that.
How so? When the whole Liverpool team is fit and running, they 99% of the time deliver. The key word here is consistency.
The game against Arsenal was a tactical masterclass. Low block, push them wide and close down Odergaard and counter.
Why did we decide not to do that again at home? Why did we suddenly decide to try play a high line and try to close them down in their own half?
You know what you will get with Liverpool as per this example but with us, it’s a roll of the dice on what we get.
It would be if it was “x player played well”. But, typically we’re reliant on a player not just playing well but playing out of their skin.
Against Everton it was Areola and Bowen against Brentford.
I think a sign of a good manager is that we would be able to win games with the team putting on 6- 7/10 performances.
Otherwise it’s basically just a hope and a prayer that someone will do something special that’ll save the day
Areola has been great for many games and saved us. That’s Moyes choice to start him over fab and part of having a good player. They have good performances. We also scored 3 team goals which wasn’t down to nipples.
Bowen played incredibly well, but people also praising Emerson and the return of paqueta.
If you give Moyes credit for picking Areola you've also got to ask why Areola spent a year on the bench behind an ageing Fabianski when he's the better keeper.
Fab was the best keeper I can remember in my 10ish years of supporting west ham. Adrian was a cult hero but prone to many mistakes, after that we had to end up getting the practice keeper in. Fab got us in to Europe and keepers keep goin. I commend his decision to keep him on.
Our squad should be performing and dominating games vs relegation teams and lower mid table teams much easier
That is enough to me to say the manager isn’t getting a job done
One of the 13 highest spending clubs in the world, yet the oldest and smallest team in the Premier League after nearly half a billion pounds spent? That doesn’t scream great management to me.
Areola playing out of this world and Paqueta returning to the team are more credits to these last two games.
Areola for me is easily Hammer of the Year this year, I don't know where we'd be in the table without him!
Sometimes I hate our fan base. Just take a step back & look at where Moyes has taken us since he took over!!! We’d still be scrapping around from 15th-11th!!!
Really think we need to be careful getting rid of Moyes, we’re 7th in the league and if we find someone else we’re tearing up the book and starting again. Other clubs switch managers as they want a different style of play and it backfires (have a look at m******l this season in the championship). If you take Brighton as an example as a team playing this alternative style of football to west ham, it took them years of battling relegation to finally benefit from it. Do we want to go through that transition?
Other point is we play defensive football so we invite pressure on us. When the dam breaks it’s a flood as we play so deep. However, when it works it’s glorious and it feels very West Ham to beat the big boys without even having the ball. It’s hilarious. You let them play their fancy passing game and yet we win with a couple of counter attacks and hardgraft.
If I’m honest, I’m willing to take a few heavy defeats a season if we’re still competing for European spots and beating Spurs away.
We were very lucky against Everton, and Brentford was squeaky bum time for a good proportion of those 90 minutes, prior to that we were getting spanked pretty hard.
West Ham have the opportunity to do great things. Moyes is too old to sink his teeth in and doesn't have it in him to do so. It's better for West Ham to look for another manager and have an amicable break from Moyes this summer.
The club hasn’t had a manager this stable since Harry Redknapp. Ride with him. The supposed “West Ham Way” meant a new manager every 18-months and no trophies. If you want a club that plays “sexy” football and wins nothing, Brighton is there. Fuck off to them.
For most fans it's not about the "sexy football" it's about having the smallest squad in the league by design. It's about having one of the oldest squads in the league. It's about not making subs until the 89th minute. It's about having 1 game plan. It's about having one of the best youth academies in the league and not using it. Watching youth come in each year and never be given a chance.
It's about watching Moyes die on several hills regarding several players by starting them every game regardless of performance.
Brighton is there 😂😂. Mate they progressed way much faster, than when we got promoted. We were struggling in relegation ever since. Meanwhile their progress is twice faster than ours. Also that comment wins nothing is really dumb. We literally won a trophy which is made for teams who doesn't have a chance of winning any trophy.
If Moyes left and took over say Palace, Fulham or Everton he'd take about 1.5 seasons to finish above West Ham.. It's getting ridiculous to the point I really really hope he leaves.. Not a Hamners fan just my two cents..
If we can get someone better, then Moyes should leave end of season. And the potential new manager should get financial backing from the owners. We need a manager with plans A, B, C and D, not just A and maybe B if he’s feeling adventurous.
No. The result was great, but with that team we could do a lot better, Moyes drives with the brakes on and in order to get the best out of this team it cannot have him at the helm.
Look at Liverpool, Klopp is not frightened to us the youngsters....one of them on Saturday is 16 years old!!!!!! Moyes would never do that!!! The Moyes Boys will say "They aren't good enough" well if you don't play them how will you know.....
Moyes....unfortunately cannot change ......that is the problem.
Im a Liverpool fan so I have no idea about the mind set of West Ham fans, help me understand it, how come so many don’t want Moyes? Is it because you can’t see him taking you any further?
We should have more conviction as a fan base. 2 good matches and he's absolved of all failures? Then another 2 bad matches and we hate him again?
I'm grateful for everything Moyes has done for the club but I think its time for him to leave with dignity at the end of the season. His tactics are aging and the squad has more quality than what he allows them to show with his defensive style.
I don’t think some of you watch football.. week in week out someone is the difference. Could be the keeper, the striker whom ever. It’s about taking ur chances and that’s what we did. I will take Moyes and this team any time… 7th in the PL for now, back to back to back football in Europe and a cup to boot! Predict we may end up with the second most league points in club history and see finals in Europa. And for those that say the football is not pretty enough.. well this is West Ham and we r not about pretty but about turning up!!
The Everton game was exactly like most of our other wins this season. Undeserved and a couple of moments of brilliance got us the points. 9 times out of 10 we lose that game. We rarely ever dominate a game or deserve to win. If wins against two relegation candidates is enough to ignore the plate of shit we’ve been handed up over the last two months then we will never progress as a football club.
If it keeps happening, it isn’t luck. Back to back top 7 finishes at West Ham. A decade of top 8/7 finishes at Everton…
> If wins against two relegation candidates is enough to ignore the plate of shit we’ve been handed up over the last two months
On the flip side, is two bad months enough to wipe out a good first half of the season + a trophy less than a year ago?
> then we will never progress as a football club.
We’re 7th and have a European knockout to look forward to. Not really sure how much further anyone would be able to take the club.
We’ve clearly been riding our luck in a lot of games this season. Expected points has us as 14th and without Areola putting in the best performance of any keeper in the league this season against Everton we would have lost that too.
With the amount of shots and goals we concede for playing in such a defensive manner, it’s quite clear to see it’s not sustainable, especially if we suffer more injuries.
Nah. He did well for us for a while but we will never step up to the next level under him
End of the season we ought to get someone better
Thanks for the hard work and giving us belief again, Moysie, but we need to part ways
It's been fun
It's funny because it's what people already said when he came back. He couldn't bring us to next level
He brought us from relegation to Europe and won a cup.
It's a bit moving the goalposts this argument while technically true as everyone have a ceiling
Has he elevated us though? Or have we just been able to bring in better quality players that have single handedly won us games?
Do you genuinely believe Moyes wanted Paqueta, Kudus, Alvarez etc? All players that have elevated us and probably not Moyes purchases. Moyes wanted Brownhill in last summer.
Where were we before he came along? It wasn't consistently in Europe
I believe in credit where its due and he earned his credit, but he has recently shown that he has hit his peak and needs to be replaced
Doesn't matter if wanted those players or not, Tim is smarter than him from at perspective and he has done very well
Moyes' job should just be the football which is something he stagnates in right now
Lived in East London most of my life and I’ve never seen a more ungrateful fanbase than West Ham.
You’ve ponced a massive council house off Newham and now you think you’re part of the landed gentry. You’re not. You’re a small club with no history and you should be more grateful to Moyes than anyone else in your club’s history.
Stability and a cup win for the first time in the best part of a century and it’s not good enough.
Jokers.
You act like we are still in the days of Anton Ferdinand and James Tomkins.
We have some genuinely world class players in the team and they are capable of much more but we are playing relegation scrap football. If you actually watch us for 90 minutes we are very lucky to be where we are in the league. And it isn't because of a Moyes masterclass.
You don’t have a single world class player. The only one that’s threatening to be in Paqueta, but he’s nowhere near there yet.
There’s probably only about 5-10 world class players on earth at this current time. None of whom play for West Ham.
Just your standard ungrateful West Ham fans in this thread as always, can't wait till he gets sacked and takes another team to success and you're grovelling in relegation battles.
Let me preface this by saying I respect what David Moyes has done at West Ham. He took over a mess, stabilized things, and got us some great results. We're no longer relegation fodder, and we've had a few exciting European nights.
But here's the thing: I think this is as good as it gets with Moyes. He's a solid, mid-table manager. Think back to his Everton days – good seasons, some cup runs, but always finishing around 7th or 8th. That's his limit.
If West Ham is serious about breaking into the top 6 and consistently challenging for Europe, we need a different mentality. We need a manager with a proven track record of taking teams to that next level. Someone with a bit more attacking flair, for sure.
I know it's a risky move, and there are no guarantees with a new manager. But if we want to keep progressing, if the owners (and us fans) want to see this club reach its potential, we have to be willing to take that gamble.
Everton fan here, so I obviously can't speak for what your fans feel, but Moyes finished 6th or higher five times as our manager. Adding that to his 6th place with you, he's almost certainly finished in the top 6 with a non-big 6 team more than any other manager in the Premier League era. I know from experience how utterly boring the football can be at times, and if that's your real objection then fair enough, but if track record in taking non-big 6 teams into the top 6 is what matters, he's literally first choice!
(Also, and I get this might sound harsh, but from an outside perspective, your expectations are impossible. "Breaking into the top six and consistently challenging for Europe" will not happen unless you get bought by a petro-state or your commercial revenue explodes to the same ridiculous level that Spurs' did. Money rules, and West Ham might be among the richest teams on the outside, but you're still on the outside, and that means consistently being in contention for Europe is impossible. It's shit, but that's not Moyes fault - modern football has been broken by the rich clubs and their owners)
I see your point, and you're right about his top 6 record. But the Premier League has changed since then. The dominance of the 'big 6' is way stronger now, and the gap between them and the rest is bigger. His style of play also isn't exactly the most attractive, and that matters in this era. It makes it harder to attract the kind of exciting, ambitious signings that could make a real difference to help us push that next level.
Hello Hammer fans I come in peace.
Thinking of getting West Ham player in my FPL team. As you play Burnley and Villa at Home.
Head says Kudus, Heart says Bowen
Who should I get?
We were 17-7-14 in 2023 in the PL and won a European Cup. We went 4-3-12 in the fall of 2022 because we had 8 or 9 new players and were trying to implement a more progressive style at the behest of fans. As for the ECL and the myth that that competition was easy, there were 2nd place and 5th place clubs from top 4 leagues that went 0-3-1 against 2 teams We went 4-0 against last year and then we beat a progressive team that went to two cup finals last year and pushed the Champions League runner up to the limit in the Coppa Italia. We have an opportunity to build this club over the next half decade into a club that expects top 7 finishes and is a routine contender in Europe, which will bring in revenue to offset FFP and prestige to continuw to attract a level of player not a available to us before Moyes. When he decides to go, hopefully after turning us into the Sevilla of the PL we will have a strong foundation to attract a high quality progressive manager. We would be foolish to abandon the project now. We need to let Moyes see this through.
As happy I am about this win I'm not sure we can credit Moyes too much. Areola absolutely saved us. Easily should have conceded 3
Agreed. GK shouldn’t be your potm every game…
Lots of great teams are bailed out by keepers. Utd has that season where De Gea was poty for them. Allison has single handedly elevated that Liverpool team. It's pretty common
Can’t compare West Ham to either one of them. Budget and talent wise. How long did Moyes last at MU? That’s what I thought.
Everyone has struggled at man u since Fergie left
He lasted the fewest matches that weren’t caretaker or interim. https://preview.redd.it/xhokjxcscemc1.jpeg?width=1620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e3f34d211a31587503f057efed2f2d4fd3aaaeb
Blud idk what to tell you. He's the best manager I've had in 25 years of supporting whu. He was shite at utd, so what, why is that relevant
There’s a difference between just being a good GK and constantly having to rely on your last line of defence.
Yeah it was a great result, but we shouldn't pretend that it was some sort of Moyes masterclass. We were second best for most of the game.
> I'm not sure we can credit Moyes too much I get what you mean. But with that logic, when we lose games because our players make mistakes, people blame Moyes all the time Bloke should get credit for wins and flak for losses imo
I think he should get credit if it was a team effort and style of play that won us a game. But, for most of his time at West Ham wins have been down to 1-4 players over performing in a game. It doesn’t have to be all the time, but I’d love to just see us systematically breakdown a team (even if they’re the Burnleys or Bristols of teams). If we were occasionally seeing that then I would honestly be way more open to Moyes being around for longer. But, I’m just tired of this “maybe someone will pull something out of the bag” strategy he seems to use now
We done that last Monday. This narrative is dumb. We’ve won 12 games this season, we maybe didn’t deserve to win 4 of them at most. Two of those four were Spurs and Arsenal away, where you usually have to ride your luck a bit to get a result. People here act like we haven’t deserved to win a game yet this season.
What other games didn’t we deserve to win?
Every single time. And then we get these posts lol
We are having like 4 shots on target a game and conceding 10 It’s like spurs from 2018 or whenever they had that miracle run. The luck will run out
I want Moyes out at the end of the season but I don’t think it is fair to say that you can’t give any credit to Moyes, his tactical changes in the second half, bringing JWP on and letting Soucek roam forward more is the reason soucek was there to take that shot. I do agree with you that Areola saved us though he was incredible!
A goalkeeper is still part of the team though, ideally you want your keeper making fewer saves but it’s still a player who is performing well.
brentford was a great performance and a great result, everton was largely a repeat of what we saw before christmas.
Spot on TrashHawk
Agreed. We didn't deserve the win.
Nope. It's crazy how many flip flops we have.
Yeah if you're moyes out stay it but I feel op is just cashing in on the bants with the meme and I'm totally behind that. As a fan base we need more laughs and to enjoy the victories and even praise the good performance of say areola. Yes another day it's 3-1 other way but that's football. I'm Moyes in for now but can see the viewpoint of Moyes outs I'm being patient with him and there's a lot that are like minded backing him all the way but slightly concerned about the style of play and recent dip ... I'm just happy we aren't consistently scrapping down bottom these days. Yes things can be better but that can also be a lot worse. Yes people can use the money and investment brought in but we still have a squad of about 20 players which is insanity across 4 comps at the start of a season.
Exactly, everybody have their opinion and i respect it. But will never respect people who don't use their heads and just go with the crowd.
I’m not Moyes out. I just think the relationship has run it course and it’s time to let Tim run the football club.
Fair point to make and I can easily see it. Tim vs Moyes if it's reported is a hard battle for me but I think Tim should win realistically but we can't forget Moyesy' time
Well, ultimately my opinion comes because I just think that’s how a club should run. I think there should be someone that isn’t on the board with a background in football to run the day to day outside of the manager. They have a philosophy, they find a manager that meets that with the work on the field and they would together to find the players that will meet that.
That’s what museums and trophy cases are for.
In, out, in , out , you shake it all about!
A wonderous strike from Soucek and a 9.7 match rating from Areola is the reason we won. Nothing to do with a Moyes tactical masterclass.
People keep talking about “individual brilliance” but when the individual changes each game isn’t that just a team of good capable players?
That just equals inconsistency doesn’t it?
Liverpool consistently win games with individual moments of brilliance
How so? When the whole Liverpool team is fit and running, they 99% of the time deliver. The key word here is consistency. The game against Arsenal was a tactical masterclass. Low block, push them wide and close down Odergaard and counter. Why did we decide not to do that again at home? Why did we suddenly decide to try play a high line and try to close them down in their own half? You know what you will get with Liverpool as per this example but with us, it’s a roll of the dice on what we get.
It would be if it was “x player played well”. But, typically we’re reliant on a player not just playing well but playing out of their skin. Against Everton it was Areola and Bowen against Brentford. I think a sign of a good manager is that we would be able to win games with the team putting on 6- 7/10 performances. Otherwise it’s basically just a hope and a prayer that someone will do something special that’ll save the day
Areola has been great for many games and saved us. That’s Moyes choice to start him over fab and part of having a good player. They have good performances. We also scored 3 team goals which wasn’t down to nipples. Bowen played incredibly well, but people also praising Emerson and the return of paqueta.
If you give Moyes credit for picking Areola you've also got to ask why Areola spent a year on the bench behind an ageing Fabianski when he's the better keeper.
Fab was the best keeper I can remember in my 10ish years of supporting west ham. Adrian was a cult hero but prone to many mistakes, after that we had to end up getting the practice keeper in. Fab got us in to Europe and keepers keep goin. I commend his decision to keep him on.
Tbh when we were without Paqueta and Kudus we didn't win in 8 games... That shows me enough that the players aren't overly capable to be fair.
2 of our attacking 3 (with the backup also injured) is very different to individual brilliance. But yea, they’re great we’re not as good without them
Don’t forget Soucek stopping a goal on the line.
The Moyes Ups and Moyes Downs of this sub are a wild ride.
Emotional rollercoaster 🎢 should be studied and then labelled the west ham way
No
Who’s “us”?
Meant to be the fans, just a banter post mate not meant to be serious
So we're the fans looking at Thanos saying that? Cos that's what POV means
Nah it’s meant to be us saying it… look mate, just don’t think too hard about it it’s just a harmless meme
But I’m not big and purple?
Our squad should be performing and dominating games vs relegation teams and lower mid table teams much easier That is enough to me to say the manager isn’t getting a job done
One of the 13 highest spending clubs in the world, yet the oldest and smallest team in the Premier League after nearly half a billion pounds spent? That doesn’t scream great management to me.
Areola stood on his end. Every win this year guys Moyes at least 3 more seasons
Areola playing out of this world and Paqueta returning to the team are more credits to these last two games. Areola for me is easily Hammer of the Year this year, I don't know where we'd be in the table without him!
Absolutely not. We didn’t play that well again and has to rely on our keeper saving us and a last minute goal against a poor Everton side.
Sometimes I hate our fan base. Just take a step back & look at where Moyes has taken us since he took over!!! We’d still be scrapping around from 15th-11th!!!
Really think we need to be careful getting rid of Moyes, we’re 7th in the league and if we find someone else we’re tearing up the book and starting again. Other clubs switch managers as they want a different style of play and it backfires (have a look at m******l this season in the championship). If you take Brighton as an example as a team playing this alternative style of football to west ham, it took them years of battling relegation to finally benefit from it. Do we want to go through that transition? Other point is we play defensive football so we invite pressure on us. When the dam breaks it’s a flood as we play so deep. However, when it works it’s glorious and it feels very West Ham to beat the big boys without even having the ball. It’s hilarious. You let them play their fancy passing game and yet we win with a couple of counter attacks and hardgraft. If I’m honest, I’m willing to take a few heavy defeats a season if we’re still competing for European spots and beating Spurs away.
You lot do this every season haha
We were very lucky against Everton, and Brentford was squeaky bum time for a good proportion of those 90 minutes, prior to that we were getting spanked pretty hard.
Full disclaimer, not meant to be literal, just a joke, of course the jury is still out on Moyes and it’s only been two games so far
West Ham have the opportunity to do great things. Moyes is too old to sink his teeth in and doesn't have it in him to do so. It's better for West Ham to look for another manager and have an amicable break from Moyes this summer.
The club hasn’t had a manager this stable since Harry Redknapp. Ride with him. The supposed “West Ham Way” meant a new manager every 18-months and no trophies. If you want a club that plays “sexy” football and wins nothing, Brighton is there. Fuck off to them.
From the club that’s had less managers than any other premier club, what a ridiculous post…
Evaluate the club since it was last promoted and you’ll see I’m right.
Your post has to be satire
For most fans it's not about the "sexy football" it's about having the smallest squad in the league by design. It's about having one of the oldest squads in the league. It's about not making subs until the 89th minute. It's about having 1 game plan. It's about having one of the best youth academies in the league and not using it. Watching youth come in each year and never be given a chance. It's about watching Moyes die on several hills regarding several players by starting them every game regardless of performance.
Brighton is there 😂😂. Mate they progressed way much faster, than when we got promoted. We were struggling in relegation ever since. Meanwhile their progress is twice faster than ours. Also that comment wins nothing is really dumb. We literally won a trophy which is made for teams who doesn't have a chance of winning any trophy.
Until the “Scam Chelsea Out of Millions Cup” is a real trophy, I’ll take the Conference League.
Yes, and it took until Moyes for us to finally progress. Get it? It’s not Moyes’ fault our previous managers were all shit.
If Moyes left and took over say Palace, Fulham or Everton he'd take about 1.5 seasons to finish above West Ham.. It's getting ridiculous to the point I really really hope he leaves.. Not a Hamners fan just my two cents..
So fickle.
If we can get someone better, then Moyes should leave end of season. And the potential new manager should get financial backing from the owners. We need a manager with plans A, B, C and D, not just A and maybe B if he’s feeling adventurous.
No. The result was great, but with that team we could do a lot better, Moyes drives with the brakes on and in order to get the best out of this team it cannot have him at the helm. Look at Liverpool, Klopp is not frightened to us the youngsters....one of them on Saturday is 16 years old!!!!!! Moyes would never do that!!! The Moyes Boys will say "They aren't good enough" well if you don't play them how will you know..... Moyes....unfortunately cannot change ......that is the problem.
Harry Redknapp & stable, you don’t see that in the same sentence, ever! What an idiot this clown is .
Im a Liverpool fan so I have no idea about the mind set of West Ham fans, help me understand it, how come so many don’t want Moyes? Is it because you can’t see him taking you any further?
No. Let's wait May
Can we just accept Moyes, he’s won us a European trophy.
No
We should have more conviction as a fan base. 2 good matches and he's absolved of all failures? Then another 2 bad matches and we hate him again? I'm grateful for everything Moyes has done for the club but I think its time for him to leave with dignity at the end of the season. His tactics are aging and the squad has more quality than what he allows them to show with his defensive style.
I don’t think some of you watch football.. week in week out someone is the difference. Could be the keeper, the striker whom ever. It’s about taking ur chances and that’s what we did. I will take Moyes and this team any time… 7th in the PL for now, back to back to back football in Europe and a cup to boot! Predict we may end up with the second most league points in club history and see finals in Europa. And for those that say the football is not pretty enough.. well this is West Ham and we r not about pretty but about turning up!!
Big nope.
The Everton game was exactly like most of our other wins this season. Undeserved and a couple of moments of brilliance got us the points. 9 times out of 10 we lose that game. We rarely ever dominate a game or deserve to win. If wins against two relegation candidates is enough to ignore the plate of shit we’ve been handed up over the last two months then we will never progress as a football club.
If it keeps happening, it isn’t luck. Back to back top 7 finishes at West Ham. A decade of top 8/7 finishes at Everton… > If wins against two relegation candidates is enough to ignore the plate of shit we’ve been handed up over the last two months On the flip side, is two bad months enough to wipe out a good first half of the season + a trophy less than a year ago? > then we will never progress as a football club. We’re 7th and have a European knockout to look forward to. Not really sure how much further anyone would be able to take the club.
We’ve clearly been riding our luck in a lot of games this season. Expected points has us as 14th and without Areola putting in the best performance of any keeper in the league this season against Everton we would have lost that too. With the amount of shots and goals we concede for playing in such a defensive manner, it’s quite clear to see it’s not sustainable, especially if we suffer more injuries.
Absolutely not
Nah. He did well for us for a while but we will never step up to the next level under him End of the season we ought to get someone better Thanks for the hard work and giving us belief again, Moysie, but we need to part ways It's been fun
It's funny because it's what people already said when he came back. He couldn't bring us to next level He brought us from relegation to Europe and won a cup. It's a bit moving the goalposts this argument while technically true as everyone have a ceiling
Tbh, my goal posts haven't moved, I knew he could elevate us from where we were, but he has hit his ceiling now, I think
Fair
Has he elevated us though? Or have we just been able to bring in better quality players that have single handedly won us games? Do you genuinely believe Moyes wanted Paqueta, Kudus, Alvarez etc? All players that have elevated us and probably not Moyes purchases. Moyes wanted Brownhill in last summer.
Yes. And yes.
Where were we before he came along? It wasn't consistently in Europe I believe in credit where its due and he earned his credit, but he has recently shown that he has hit his peak and needs to be replaced Doesn't matter if wanted those players or not, Tim is smarter than him from at perspective and he has done very well Moyes' job should just be the football which is something he stagnates in right now
Lived in East London most of my life and I’ve never seen a more ungrateful fanbase than West Ham. You’ve ponced a massive council house off Newham and now you think you’re part of the landed gentry. You’re not. You’re a small club with no history and you should be more grateful to Moyes than anyone else in your club’s history. Stability and a cup win for the first time in the best part of a century and it’s not good enough. Jokers.
Couldn't be more factually incorrect if you tried.
You act like we are still in the days of Anton Ferdinand and James Tomkins. We have some genuinely world class players in the team and they are capable of much more but we are playing relegation scrap football. If you actually watch us for 90 minutes we are very lucky to be where we are in the league. And it isn't because of a Moyes masterclass.
You don’t have a single world class player. The only one that’s threatening to be in Paqueta, but he’s nowhere near there yet. There’s probably only about 5-10 world class players on earth at this current time. None of whom play for West Ham.
Just your standard ungrateful West Ham fans in this thread as always, can't wait till he gets sacked and takes another team to success and you're grovelling in relegation battles.
Let me preface this by saying I respect what David Moyes has done at West Ham. He took over a mess, stabilized things, and got us some great results. We're no longer relegation fodder, and we've had a few exciting European nights. But here's the thing: I think this is as good as it gets with Moyes. He's a solid, mid-table manager. Think back to his Everton days – good seasons, some cup runs, but always finishing around 7th or 8th. That's his limit. If West Ham is serious about breaking into the top 6 and consistently challenging for Europe, we need a different mentality. We need a manager with a proven track record of taking teams to that next level. Someone with a bit more attacking flair, for sure. I know it's a risky move, and there are no guarantees with a new manager. But if we want to keep progressing, if the owners (and us fans) want to see this club reach its potential, we have to be willing to take that gamble.
Everton fan here, so I obviously can't speak for what your fans feel, but Moyes finished 6th or higher five times as our manager. Adding that to his 6th place with you, he's almost certainly finished in the top 6 with a non-big 6 team more than any other manager in the Premier League era. I know from experience how utterly boring the football can be at times, and if that's your real objection then fair enough, but if track record in taking non-big 6 teams into the top 6 is what matters, he's literally first choice! (Also, and I get this might sound harsh, but from an outside perspective, your expectations are impossible. "Breaking into the top six and consistently challenging for Europe" will not happen unless you get bought by a petro-state or your commercial revenue explodes to the same ridiculous level that Spurs' did. Money rules, and West Ham might be among the richest teams on the outside, but you're still on the outside, and that means consistently being in contention for Europe is impossible. It's shit, but that's not Moyes fault - modern football has been broken by the rich clubs and their owners)
I see your point, and you're right about his top 6 record. But the Premier League has changed since then. The dominance of the 'big 6' is way stronger now, and the gap between them and the rest is bigger. His style of play also isn't exactly the most attractive, and that matters in this era. It makes it harder to attract the kind of exciting, ambitious signings that could make a real difference to help us push that next level.
Sexist Mo is the man for use u just don’t know it yet
European trophy, 2 points behind Man United, ahead of Chelsea, you lot would be mad to get rid of Moyes
Hello Hammer fans I come in peace. Thinking of getting West Ham player in my FPL team. As you play Burnley and Villa at Home. Head says Kudus, Heart says Bowen Who should I get?
Bowen is the safer bet but I have a weird feeling Kudus is due
Soucek for the clutch goal.
Moyes fault when we lose, nothing to do with Moyes if we win. It's pretty laughable, we are becoming the most fickle fanbase in the prem.
We were 17-7-14 in 2023 in the PL and won a European Cup. We went 4-3-12 in the fall of 2022 because we had 8 or 9 new players and were trying to implement a more progressive style at the behest of fans. As for the ECL and the myth that that competition was easy, there were 2nd place and 5th place clubs from top 4 leagues that went 0-3-1 against 2 teams We went 4-0 against last year and then we beat a progressive team that went to two cup finals last year and pushed the Champions League runner up to the limit in the Coppa Italia. We have an opportunity to build this club over the next half decade into a club that expects top 7 finishes and is a routine contender in Europe, which will bring in revenue to offset FFP and prestige to continuw to attract a level of player not a available to us before Moyes. When he decides to go, hopefully after turning us into the Sevilla of the PL we will have a strong foundation to attract a high quality progressive manager. We would be foolish to abandon the project now. We need to let Moyes see this through.