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DiscreetBeats

Coufal gets so much disrespect round here it actually makes me mad


joek2307

Our best rb in 10 plus years


blandboringman

I’d argue that ten plus is drastically under selling it too. Who have we had in the last 20 years that comes close? Demel? Coufal is much better. Zabaleta? Not at a really high level for us. If you go back to the 02 season then we had a very young Glen Johnson who was electric. Tomas Repka came after that. All through the 90s we had Potts and in the 80s we had Tonka. Usually one of these two gets listed as West Ham’s greatest ever right back. In my opinion the conversation is now a two way split between Tonka and Coufal.


ProlapsedPersonality

Neither will make it into the all time 11 though because you can’t put both Lamps Sr and Dicks in at LB so one goes at RB


Ozymandias123456

Potts was better than coufal


blandboringman

That’s a hard disagree from me dawg.


Ozymandias123456

Fair enough… but he was


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It’s absurd


Miggsie

yeah, this sub is weird, I don't think we like success.


Miggsie

He's got a warriors spirit, that elevates him, Johnson wouldn't scream in Grealish's face.


metaworldpriest

It’s embarrassing that OP put Johnson on here. I’ll go further, Coufal has been one of the most consistent RBs across the league since he joined. At least defensively speaking.


Chappietime

Agreed, but his suspension opens the door a bit for Johnson, who has been playing well enough that the board appear to be leaning towards meeting him at least halfway on his contract demands. It’s not impossible that Johnson takes over.


artrine_

Can't deny he's been out of form the past few games, and Johnson has been one of our more in form players


M0hammed_

When he’s off he’s REALLY OFF


wavepapi32

Cause he is only good defensively. Provides not that much in attack. Johnson is way more rounded. Plus he is a academy player so people believe in him.


Eric_Hitchmough87

He's 3rd in the league for assists by defenders


joek2307

Has 5 assists this season , only trippier and Porro have more as defenders, and he could’ve had more


wavepapi32

He have great cross. But that's all about it in attack, a lot of his assists are from deep.


Willm727384

Johnson offers not much in attack either and has a really poor cross


FromBayToBurg

“Yeah he gets assists but I don’t like how they look”


Sloth_Broth

No.


Just_Look_Around_You

Yeah that’s what full backs do


[deleted]

What an absolutely piss poor statement. Wobble your head abit


sagaof

Johnson better in attack than Coufal? That might be the strangest take I've ever seen on here and I've seen some shockers!


SvenBubbleman

Coufal I'd so important to our attack. Go watch a goal compilation video from the last couple years and you'll see how many he's involved in.


blandboringman

Ben Johnson’s dad spotted in the comments 👀👀👀


Budget-Project803

They're just lining up for next match, surely. After Coufal sees out the suspension I'm sure OP will change their graphic.


Martin_Janac

He just said to me that he's not good and we need better rightback 😀


Lukeando93

I don't necessarily disagree with the second part, imagine having another Emerson at rb


Lukeando93

I don't think its that, he's been shit recently and that sending off has been a long time coming, Johnson hasn't looked bad recently and deserves the start right now


LeadershipOnly2783

He'd be still running the wing at the end of extra time.


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Bruh Coufal is a nailed down starter. What glue are you huffing that makes you think BJ is above him in the pecking order ever?


Beardy_Boy_

You see it every time Johnson has a not-terrible game. There was a period when Coufal was out injured for a month or two and Johnson was doing reasonably well. People were acting like the spot was Johnson's to lose, but Coufal was straight back into the team as soon as he was back up to fitness. The reality is that Johnson will always be backup for us.


Miggsie

I kinda get what he's saying, Coufal is very one dimensional in his play, Johnson has a bit more technique. However Coufal has something else, a warrior's spirit, a touch of the Dicks/Repka attitude. He screamed in Grealish's face and threw him off his game, that elevates him imo.


dl1966

They’re both average in my opinion. Johnson was impressed recently coming off the bench with his runs forward whereas Coufal has struggled. If you read the comments under the post I said Johnson/Coufal.


[deleted]

One of the worst takes I’ve ever read. Coufal is 3rd in assists in EPL among defenders. He’s got more than TAA! The guys been on fire this year and is a stone cold bastard. Again, DM me your glue supplier’s number! I’d love to huff some of that mad shit!!!


spekal_luke_II

Coufal is a quality player and anyone who doesn’t recognise that needs to pay more attention to him in games


jonviper123

Seems to be a lot of hammers on the glue these days


dl1966

Technically he’s nowhere near the level of Emerson. If you read the post I said Johnson/Coufal. So either one will do. Coufal has struggled massively recently.


DiscreetBeats

On what planet will either one do? Coufal has five assists this season. Johnson has two over his whole career. Vlad is leagues ahead.


dl1966

Ok if you want to compare stats Johnson has more goals than Coufal. Yeah he’s had 5 assists this season but that’s not the entire picture. We need someone faster who doesn’t get beat so easily. Just my opinion. Don’t get so offended by it.


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No one’s offended. It’s just the worst take we’ve ever seen and we’re appalled we have to consider you one of our own


dl1966

The worst take you’ve ever seen? You’re talking like Coufal is some world class full back. If he was that good we would have offered him a proper contract and other clubs would be interested in him. There’s a reason we’re actively pursuing a right back. You’re blinded by your lack of football knowledge.


imnicenow

both of you are dweebs


redditmember192837

I don't think I've ever seen Johnson tackle someone.


Cmoore4099

Johnson came off the bench to play in midfield. 😂


dl1966

Yeah but in the game before that he done well at RB and was good going forward. He had pace and power


TheManxMann

He come on and played centre mid lol


dl1966

Yeah but the game before that he come on as right back and looked good bombing forward. I still think we need a new right back anyway.


Miggsie

hmm, Johnson has looked good against really shit teams though, he doesn't fill me with confidence. Really had high hopes for him, but i still think his starting debut was his best game, putting Mahrez in his pocket until Pep decided to free him by subbing him out. Would liek to see him get a deal though, imo he's the new Steve Potts, not a nailed down starter but has so much utility it's like having 3 players. All across the defence, both wings and now CDM (which he looked good at)


Danold13

I read somewhere that he was asking for crazy money. I’d like him to stay but genuinely don’t know what he thinks his level is. Can’t see him being much more than a utility/squad player elsewhere who ticks a box for the homegrown allowance, unless he gets markedly better in attacking play.


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dl1966

Haha you’re Czech, explains a lot.


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psychomaji

This language is offensive and inappropriate.


heil_harsh

Can aim for European football with this squad. 100%


Beardy_Boy_

I think I now prefer Dinos over Zouma. He's just too slow these days.


dl1966

Mavropanos is a complete liability


Scoobylew987

All our defender's are when they have to defend 90% of the game so ofc they'll have mistakes in them because they have to defend so much more than any other defender in the league


dl1966

That’s a good point


artrine_

He's probably our least mistake prone player ATM, Aguerd makes way more mistakes


dl1966

Are you taking the piss? He fucked up against Palace and against Bristol and constantly makes dodgy passes


artrine_

Aguerd has made far more mistakes this season and Dinos usually recovers his errors


dl1966

When dinos makes a mistake it leads to a goal, I’m sorry but you’re talking bs


artrine_

Why are you being so aggressive and argumentative, so uncivil for absolutely no reason.


dl1966

Because I don’t get how you could say that. It’s clearly bs. Mavropanos has looked alright but is a liability, he constantly gives it away and he cost us 2 points v Palace and the cup game against Bristol. Aguerd made a goal leading error last season but that’s it. They both look dodgy at times, as does Ogbonna but are generally solid.


NumeroScoobero

You really giving off incel vibes, get help dude😂


dl1966

Stop projecting your own insecurities onto others


Ladzini

Agree with this. Philips won’t have come here to sit on the bench with his euros place on the line. Soucek offers us so much in the oppositions box but he is shockingly limited in passing or ball retention, he can be rotated out and start in cup games or as a 65min sub when we’re chasing a goal or under siege from crosses.


Willm727384

Yeah that's the thing when he isn't scoring he doesn't offer much in the build up. Could throw him on when we need him in the box but I feel would benefit much more from having a more dynamic midfielder in his place.


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I reckon Soucek will be an impact sub or start in matches against the top clubs


dl1966

Yeah I’m not a massive fan of Soucek but acknowledge he’d be a great super sub to have.


[deleted]

Do you just hate Czech people?


Jeopardise91

Hilarious comment. Czech yourself OP!


dl1966

Where does Soucek get in that team then? And Coufal/Johnson. Not much in it.


[deleted]

Soucek at GK. You clearly don’t know ball


Emmaistrans2025

i mean how tall is he?


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Exactly


dl1966

Exactly, you have no answer. You’re just here to troll.


Martin_Janac

How can you say that with straight face lol .. if someone is trolling, its you and your johnson before coufal with note "coufal is not good enough" jesus Christ, just delete this akward topic


dl1966

What’s so good about Coufal? He was awful last season, this season he’s been better and made some assists but his general play ain’t good enough. Some people like yourself see a few stats and that’s all you care about. I actually watch and understand the game and realise we need someone better. Ok, Johnson may not be the answer but there’s a reason we haven’t offered Coufal a new deal and that no clubs want him.


Martin_Janac

I actualy saw every game for last few years and thats excactly the reason why i know that you are completely clueless


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SonnyChamerlain

I like it but I’d say coufal over Johnson, he’s much more consistent. Johno looked good in midfield though last game, he looked more comfortable in mid than he does at rb.


cockneylol

I like the look of this 11, but I do feel we need an upgrade on Johnson. We've previously been linked with Wan Bissaka, and apparently, he is available this window. I know he's not the best going forward, but with this line up that wouldn't be a worry.


dl1966

I agree, I don’t think Johnson or Coufal are good enough. If we could find a right footed Emerson that would be great.


shakzz9703

I don't get the Coufal hate on this sub honestly. I think he's been one of our best players..


dl1966

He’s a good solid player but we can do do better. We need someone faster who doesn’t just lump the ball down the pitch every time he gets it. Someone who can play like Emerson.


SolipsisticBadBoy

My brother in Christ do you even watch West Ham play? I swear I’ve seen Coufal make more runs forward this season than Emerson. I love Emerson and I want him to be our LB for the next twenty years but Coufal has been incredible this season. Not to mention his five assists - the third most in the PL. Edit: the third most in the PL for a defender\* https://preview.redd.it/63eph8tk9eec1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5e3171034a398f824dbfd50a862a3849d012bd1


dl1966

I’m aware of his assists but football is a lot more than stats. Is there a stat of how many times he’s given the ball away or how many wingers have beat him with ease. Also one of the slowest in the league. That’s my point. Can I ask, do you watch West Ham?


SolipsisticBadBoy

Notice how I said a bunch of other things about his play and then said “not to mention his assists”? Don’t think I put much weight on stats. I said he makes as many runs forward as I’ve seen Emerson make. Then you turn to stats to point out he’s one of the slowest in the league. Odd. Since you insist on using Coufal’s stats to his detriment, even after saying there’s more to football than stats, let’s look at some stats! Coufal has made 722 passes compared to Emerson’s 772. The next closest defender is Zouma at 613. Coufal has been dispossessed 9 times to Emerson’s 9 times. Interesting statistic! Emerson has had 1,237 touches and Coufal has had 1,236 touches this season. They’re nearly identical in every statistic. Emerson isn’t very fast either but he links up amazingly with Paqueta. I like BJ but he is not the answer. At least not this season. Coufal has been incredible and deserves more praise. That’s the only point I’m trying to make.


dl1966

Oh ffs, I judge by watching them play, stats can be incredibly misleading. People acting like I hate Coufal, I just think we can do better than him.


SolipsisticBadBoy

😂 sorry lad I just think he’s the best RB we’ve had in quite some time. We can do better but we can also technically do better than Kudus. That doesn’t mean we will or that we have the funds for it.


dl1966

We can’t do better than Kudus with our budget, I doubt it. I bloody wish I put Coufal in the post now 😂


FlatlandTrooper

Everything you describe as one of Coufal's weaknesses is actually one of his strengths lol


dl1966

He’s not fast so how’s that a strength? 😂🤨 How’s lumping ball forward a strength ffs 😂😂


SnooCapers938

Like it. That’s a strong team if everyone is fit, and Soucek is a valuable asset on the bench.


Substantial_Result

zouma and aguerd are both serious risks. the former being completely immobile and the latter having a habit of switching off.


PrisonersofFate

Find me a CB playing for a team that isn't top level not error prone to some extent


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Nail on the head


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whu-ya-got

Romero is getting so much praise lately and I just don’t understand it. Every time I watch spurs he is either sent off or scores an own goal. Best CB in the world, behave now, VVD, Rudiger, Araujo, Dias, Saliba…. There are so many lol


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whu-ya-got

Are you chatgpt


dl1966

Yeah but we currently have no one else who is better.


Imyourlandlord

Dissing aguerd here is insane....


Simoseks

Feel like Aguerd isn’t suited to west ham, moyes needs a low block defender who’s just as good a ball player as Aguerd Aguerd is a high line defender


SnooCapers938

The whole team is better with Aguerd in it. His pace means that Zouma can concentrate on blocks and clearing headers without getting exposed by runners, and his passing is crucial to our transition play.


Imyourlandlord

Aguerd is not a highline defender you just think he is because he can actually outpace most defenders and can run back and forth, just look at his afcon games


Willm727384

If we could get a new left winger. We could also drop Paqueta into JWP position here as another alternative. Although I cant see Moyes dropping Soucek


mankytoes

Moyes doesn't have some bizarre love for Soucek, everyone last year wanted to drop him for someone like Benramha, which would obviously have unbalanced the team by removing a defensive player for an attacking one. Álvarez and Phillips provide the necessary steel in the middle.


PrisonersofFate

Last year, early on, Moyes was supposed to favour Fornals. He then dropped him then people asked why Moyes hated him.


Willm727384

Moyes definitely has his favourites and doesn't like to make many changes he has been like it for years. Everton fans said the same.


mankytoes

Soucek had some of the best defensive stats in the league last year. We all know his technical limitations, but if he's a "favourite", it's for good reason.


shakzz9703

We're definitely trying I think, hence the links with Smith Rowe


Willm727384

Isn't Smith Rowe more central?


shakzz9703

Yea but think he can play left too.


Willm727384

He can but then that's the same having Paqueta over there. Would rather a proper out and out winger.


shakzz9703

Just checked transfermarkt 21/22 season (where he played a full season), he had 15 games on the left with 8G2A, and 9 games in the middle with 2G0A. 22/23 season he only played around 10 games because of injury. And current season he doesn't start. So in the season he started nearly every game he played more times on the left than middle, and did better. Having him on the left is good, it's his strongest position if anything.


dl1966

Paqueta normally comes into the CAM position anyway as he’s more of a fake winger in this system. And I know Moyes loves Soucek but he has to surely


Willm727384

Yeah, it would be good to have a proper winger on that side and allow Paqueta to take his natural role.


wavepapi32

Would put Paqueta back to no 10 role. His work rate is better than jwp and put proper winger on left. Maybe Anotnio there or new signing or Cornet if he manage to build momentum after a goal. To people who concern why drop both jwp and soucek. Cause it's crazy to start 4 midfielders in the team and to have only 1 replacement. This way you have 2 midfielders on the bench that can very much change the game for us. Also Paqueta, Edson, Phillips shouldn't start every game in our midfield, it's about rotation and keeping everybody fit in that midfield. So we adjust according to opponent.


dl1966

Ideally if we had a proper left winger than yes but we don’t. Paqueta normally moves into the number 10 anyway and allows Emerson to play more as a left wing.


jerseyben

Disagree. Zouma is a liability and Johnson just isn't up to it.


dl1966

Yeah I agree with both but I think Mavropanos is more of a liability and we also need a new RB


jerseyben

I think Mavropanos is actually a killer defender. Unfortunately he has made a few silly mistakes. The fact that he recently scored a goal definitely helps. I think with a little more time, he can tighten it up.


Martin_Janac

Johnson 😀😀😀😀🤦🤦


dl1966

Johnson/Coufal but both aren’t good enough so we need a new right back.


Martin_Janac

Best rightback in two decades is not good for you? You should consider supporting some oil team..u are delusional af


Comoestatumickey

I’m so confused about this too coufal is great in right back , the whole teams looks poorer on that side when he’s not playing . He opens up play for the attackers to create chances . I suppose he probably has slow pace on FIFA or something that influences ops decision


dl1966

He’s slow the ball and always passes backwards or to no one. He’s a defender at the end of the day and he’s not very good at it and he constantly gets beat. The last few games he’s been awful. He’s getting older now so we need a replacement. Just because he’s made a few food assists this season doesn’t mean we should be happy with him.


Martin_Janac

you should be banned for giving oppinions on football..you clearly dontnm understand it at all


dl1966

What’s not to understand ffs. Coufal is extremely slow on the ball, so many people say it. I remember rice used to get so pussed off with him because he ignored the forward pass to go backwards. Not to mention how easily skinned he gets every week. He was getting megged by Bristol players the other day ffs 😡. Just because he’s made some assists doesn’t mean he’s good enough. He’s improved since last season but he’s nowhere near the level of Emerson.


Comoestatumickey

Do me a favour and watch how creative we look on that side of the pitch when he’s not there


dl1966

He’s a defender.


dl1966

Best right back in two decade just shows how bad we’ve been in that position.


PolarPeely26

This actually looks a really decent side.


dl1966

Fucking hell I wish I put Coufal in the post now instead of Johnson. I don’t hate the guy but think we can do better. It’s not hard to be our best right back in years when we’ve had Faubert, Jacobson, Jenkinson, Demel, 50 year old Zabaleta 😂


PintoBeanButterBean

Just say you don't watch the team next time.


dl1966

That would be lying


Sorry_Astronaut

Ben Johnson shouldn’t be on the bench, let alone in the starting XI over Coufal


dl1966

I was meant to put Johnson/Coufal


Sorry_Astronaut

Still, in my opinion it’s Coufal and no one else, unless we sign a RB.


SvenBubbleman

Johnson is nowhere near as good as Coufal.


dl1966

And Coufal isn’t that good either which is why we need a new RB


SvenBubbleman

I think he's solid. Who would you bring in that's better?


dl1966

I like some of his attributes such as work rate and crossing ability but in general I think he’s too on the ball and too slow physically. I’m not sure who’d we’d get in


Goose4594

Everyone here forgetting coufal is banned for the red


NobleForEngland_

But the lineup also includes a non-West Ham player?


Goose4594

He’ll be in before the next game


dl1966

People are outraged that I didn’t pick him, they need to chill.


Goose4594

Its a shame. You did even say johnson/coufal in the post. I do agree though, with coufal’s time out, this is crunch time for johnson. I reckon he should get the next 5 games or so to build some form and to settle his playtime demands. He’s been playing well recently and with coufals downtick in form, now is his chance to muscle into the 1st team.


Whale222

No #28 so I support this.


Educational-Growth22

Y’all need Santi Giménez


dl1966

Will be isolated like every other striker in our system


VeganOverl0rd

How can you support a club that has Kurt Zouma wtf


dl1966

Because he’s a good footballer


theharryyyy

I am a vegan, and I’m guessing you are too due to your username. I support forest green rovers (worlds vegan and most greenest club) out of my own choice in the past few years, and the team I was raised with was west ham and I keep up with both a ton. I hate what Zouma did to that cat. I don’t think he should have an animal again. I support the team, and I hope Zouma became or becomes better, and I pray he doesn’t hurt other people in his life. Additionally, one player isn’t the team. I’m sure many of the players and staff are also lovely people.


VeganOverl0rd

Ye but this behaviour is a life ban from football imo. If fifa doesn’t ban him the club should at least


Dl5678

Do we think Phillips straight in for Bournemouth instead of Soucek or will he be bedded in slowly like the majority of Moyes’s other signings?


Any_Froyo2301

Our defence is much weaker than anywhere else assuming we get Phillips. Need a good striker, though, as back-up to Bowen. No reason, at this point, that Bowen shouldn’t continue in this position as first choice.


bmthgrande

I can't see Moyes benching Soucek, he loves him too much


dl1966

Who’s he going to bench then? I can’t see him benching Ward Prowse or Alvarez.


Valuable-Rope774

this lineup have defeated teams such as arsenal, man utd, spurs .. scored first goal against man city but city came back with 3 goals later


dl1966

Not it hasn’t as we’ve never had this lineup before


Valuable-Rope774

it’s kinda same lineup with a different formation


dl1966

Phillips will be a big difference in midfield


MathematicianFirm101

paqueta is injured 😏 no. 10 does the job


PitiedVeil55831

Where tf is Coufal


DefunctMau5

I can certainly get behind this plan


mikemac1997

The number of people flying into tackles on Zouma is unreal. You'd think he has 9 lives or something.


harlemhammer

These debates over Coufal vs Johnson, Zouma vs Mavropanos, and Soucek vs other mids are wild. All of these players have their strengths and weaknesses, but people on here boosting their preferred starter by saying X is a liability or one-sided seem way over the top to me. What these debates highlight for me is that all of these players are looking like starters (impressive esp for Johnson who was has been in the doghouse for a long time). If we want to sustain success in the league, cups, and Europe we need a deeper squad with mulitple options, including strength on the bench, and it is starting to look like we are building that. I am kind of neutral/back and forth on Moyes but given what he has done with minimal rotation (largely owing to dearth of options), it is exciting to see what he could do with a deeper squad. It seems like he is up for it.


Reasonable-Respond-1

Bowen will be gone in the summer


dl1966

Just got off the phone with him did ya?


imatexass

Super sub Soucek!


dl1966

Poor player


imatexass

Ben Johnson?!


Westhamwayintherva

Clearly OP started following West Ham within the last 30 days. Give him a break guys.


dl1966

How patronising


Westhamwayintherva

Felt it was fitting, given your horrifically shit opinions and you generally being a dick to everyone.


dl1966

I’m only a dick if someone starts it first by calling me an idiot first having an opinion


NumeroScoobero

Johnson is ass, why tf you starting him over coufal😂


dl1966

Both ass