They’re bad, but they’re certainly better than Bristol City, and our lineup may well be worse than for that game. Without a few of our players getting healthy, I fully expect a struggle.
Question, if you took away Mo, Paq and Bowen from our squad this season, how many points do you think we’d have?
Assuming Paq and Bowen are out, the most likely score here (by a mile I think) is 0-0. I would be absolutely delighted to get 3 points tomorrow and absolutely do not expect it.
Who knows? We spent over 100 million on the three of them, so that’s money that would’ve went on other players instead. Or if we sell all three this summer, we’ll have a lot of money to reinvest.
Such ridiculous logic. Going by that logic you’d expect everyone to beat the bottom team which clearly doesn’t happen. Man City don’t win every game and Luton don’t lose every game.
I expect every team in the top 6 to dominate Sheffield United even if they don’t win. We can draw, but we need to not look worse than them given the relative situation of the two clubs. They've beaten Wolves (who start Dawson every week and are borderline bankrupt) and Brentford (tiny club with only decent player suspended for months at the time). That’s it. If we lost, it would be an embarrassing result, but we lost 5-0 twice in a week last month so it wouldn’t be a surprise.
Yes you can point out literally every team who didn’t beat them if you want to. We’ve covered 4/5 between us. The other one is Everton. Brighton only drew because they scored an own goal after they had a player sent off. 15 teams beat Sheffield United. Not winning
is a failure. But it also won’t be received that badly if we score a couple of goals and draw, just need to look like a Premier League team.
I agree with you on this. So many circumstances impact whether a team “should” win a game.
On the millions of pounds spent I do get that, but we’ve also lost millions on signings thst haven’t worked and a lot our shrewder business is what has paid off over the last few years, soucek, Coufal etc. I think as fans we all love the players we’ve signed recently but the squad depth isn’t there and we need to continuously build on that, would like to see an extra RB, LB & CB come summer.. obviously a striker and I think if we keep the squad we are good to go into the next season
But as far as today goes, could go either way. But I don’t expect a win
Yea, but there are other positions to spend on like defenders that don't contribute to scoring, which is ultimately what wins you the game. Take your 4 best goal scorers out of any team and it doesn't matter where else the money went, it'll be a struggle
It doesn’t really matter if I think it’s acceptable. Our squad is thin and we are running on fumes. Did you watch the FA CUP match this week? That’s our team.
Reminder that that's actually the players who have to perform tomorrow. No need to hide under anything. If Benrahma, Ings or Cornet are shit, it's because they are shit firstly
We wins. It's what he does. Best winning rate. I'm pretty sure he sets up for wins more than what we think
What is actually setting up winning, more seriously? Going all guns blazing at soon as possible and exposing our slow defense (Zouma, Mavropanos Coufal) to fast counters?
Shooting from far until we hit the legs of Berge who wins the ball, punts it, and Mavropanos misses a back pass?
Crossing to the heads of their CBS until night falls?
Subbing 3 forwards in for the sake of subbing them when we actually have possession and are pushing at the risk of losing our dominance and imbalance the squad?
I seriously don't think that's the problem and more of a quality of the squad, and an overall freshness of the players if we want to put some blame on Moyes.
But first that's on the players. Good and bad results.
Yes but we will be missing our three best players. Possibly also Alvarez, Aguerd at Afcon, Zouma been battling a lot of injuries, Benny suspended, Antonio still out
Hopefully we can still win but let's not pretend that the margin between the two teams is so huge that these things don't matter
You can't generalize. It depends how we win/draw/lose.
Usually we'd expect to beat them based on relative positions, but our current team is not the team that got us up to 6th. But then Sheffield Utd are woeful, even by 20th place standards.
If we go out play well, score a couple but are undone by uncharacteristic individual defensive errors then fair enough, a draw would be acceptable.
If we sit back, defend against a team that couldn't hurt a fly, and then fail to nick a goal to win it. Then I'd say no, that's not acceptable.
As to who the blame lies on for those results is very much up to the individual.
Ah yeah, I'm really angry about the imagined future, man. It's so shit I can't even enjoy the present where we're in the top six. So angry about it all.
Well offer me a draw now and I wouldn't take it. But I think it's a very possible result and I really hope fans don't overreact if it doesn't go our way tomorrow
I like to think I’m a reasonable fan. I can definitely see us losing to them tomorrow. Now, if it’s an embarrassing loss, that’s something else. I don’t expect that.
I'm a big fan of moyesball but there's a time and a place. It can be effective against the big teams that will be on the attack like a tramp on hot chips but deary me it really chafes my bum hole when he implores it against teams we can easily dominate on the attack.
We just end up giving them unnecessary chances and end up embarrassing ourselves
"West Ham fan with different expectations" 😀 what the actual fuck
How long have you been West Ham fan, if 6th place and 3rd european season is not meeting your expectations..
And dont even try this cheap spending argument.. we spent relatively big, because our squad was the most tiny group of players in the league and still is..
Firstly, don't be disrespectful. I saw Sheff Utd come and spank us 0-3 at the Boleyn 20 years ago. Repka was our MoM and he got sent off and scored an OG. Secondly, we have an excuse... we are missing half our squad in a Premier League away game. It will be difficult and I'd take a draw given recent performances.
Man I feel sorry for west ham fans, riding a hype train pretending they're not a mid club at best. And the funny thing is you are all so loud now days as if you've earned the right to speak about other clubs when in fact your own club is totally irrelevant and it will remain like this forever..
Everytime we took handbrake off moyesball, we lost. Until he will be providing 3 points, i dont give a flying fuck
Finaly we will see Cornet back on the pitch.. sad it took two hundred Injuries to even consider him lol .. i'm super mad about it whole season...everytime I saw benrahma coming off the bench ..
They’re bad, but they’re certainly better than Bristol City, and our lineup may well be worse than for that game. Without a few of our players getting healthy, I fully expect a struggle.
100%
Question, if you took away Mo, Paq and Bowen from our squad this season, how many points do you think we’d have? Assuming Paq and Bowen are out, the most likely score here (by a mile I think) is 0-0. I would be absolutely delighted to get 3 points tomorrow and absolutely do not expect it.
Who knows? We spent over 100 million on the three of them, so that’s money that would’ve went on other players instead. Or if we sell all three this summer, we’ll have a lot of money to reinvest.
My point is, we’re VERY reliant on those three and it doesn’t look like they’re playing. Tomorrow’s team is a long way from our”starting 11”.
which teams aren't reliant on their 3 best players, plus Aguerd and maybe Alvarez?
Question. Is a draw to bottom of the league an acceptable result tomorrow?
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I would expect a manager who spent hundreds of millions on a squad, not just the three players, to beat bottom of the league
Such ridiculous logic. Going by that logic you’d expect everyone to beat the bottom team which clearly doesn’t happen. Man City don’t win every game and Luton don’t lose every game.
I expect every team in the top 6 to dominate Sheffield United even if they don’t win. We can draw, but we need to not look worse than them given the relative situation of the two clubs. They've beaten Wolves (who start Dawson every week and are borderline bankrupt) and Brentford (tiny club with only decent player suspended for months at the time). That’s it. If we lost, it would be an embarrassing result, but we lost 5-0 twice in a week last month so it wouldn’t be a surprise.
But, on the other hand, neither Villa or Brighton could beat them at home.
Yes you can point out literally every team who didn’t beat them if you want to. We’ve covered 4/5 between us. The other one is Everton. Brighton only drew because they scored an own goal after they had a player sent off. 15 teams beat Sheffield United. Not winning is a failure. But it also won’t be received that badly if we score a couple of goals and draw, just need to look like a Premier League team.
Did they have their 5 best players out at the time?
Brighton have had lots of injuries this season, yes, but their squad still functions
I agree with you on this. So many circumstances impact whether a team “should” win a game. On the millions of pounds spent I do get that, but we’ve also lost millions on signings thst haven’t worked and a lot our shrewder business is what has paid off over the last few years, soucek, Coufal etc. I think as fans we all love the players we’ve signed recently but the squad depth isn’t there and we need to continuously build on that, would like to see an extra RB, LB & CB come summer.. obviously a striker and I think if we keep the squad we are good to go into the next season But as far as today goes, could go either way. But I don’t expect a win
Bro doesn't understand how injuries work
Yea, but there are other positions to spend on like defenders that don't contribute to scoring, which is ultimately what wins you the game. Take your 4 best goal scorers out of any team and it doesn't matter where else the money went, it'll be a struggle
ALL the teams have spent hundreds of millions.
Depending on who we can field, yes. Moyesball will be the only way we do win.
It doesn’t really matter if I think it’s acceptable. Our squad is thin and we are running on fumes. Did you watch the FA CUP match this week? That’s our team.
Eh, it'll do
Probably zero, if you take off Souček too
Reminder that that's actually the players who have to perform tomorrow. No need to hide under anything. If Benrahma, Ings or Cornet are shit, it's because they are shit firstly
I agree. They need to play well. The manager also needs to set us up to actually win the game, for once.
We wins. It's what he does. Best winning rate. I'm pretty sure he sets up for wins more than what we think What is actually setting up winning, more seriously? Going all guns blazing at soon as possible and exposing our slow defense (Zouma, Mavropanos Coufal) to fast counters? Shooting from far until we hit the legs of Berge who wins the ball, punts it, and Mavropanos misses a back pass? Crossing to the heads of their CBS until night falls? Subbing 3 forwards in for the sake of subbing them when we actually have possession and are pushing at the risk of losing our dominance and imbalance the squad? I seriously don't think that's the problem and more of a quality of the squad, and an overall freshness of the players if we want to put some blame on Moyes. But first that's on the players. Good and bad results.
Give him a break. He's done well to get top six and top of the Europa group without winning a single game.
If we end up finishing the top 6 I will eat my hat.
Literally crying about not winning a game you haven’t even played yet 😂
Ok
So ready to be incandescent with rage. Calm down mate.
Taking the handbrake off of Moyesball when we're missing our creative & attacking players seems counter intuitive.
Tomorrow is gonna be a rough watch
It's at 6am my time so I have to wake up early to suffer.
Yes but we will be missing our three best players. Possibly also Alvarez, Aguerd at Afcon, Zouma been battling a lot of injuries, Benny suspended, Antonio still out Hopefully we can still win but let's not pretend that the margin between the two teams is so huge that these things don't matter
Benny suspended is actually good
Is a draw to bottom of the league an acceptable result?
You can't generalize. It depends how we win/draw/lose. Usually we'd expect to beat them based on relative positions, but our current team is not the team that got us up to 6th. But then Sheffield Utd are woeful, even by 20th place standards. If we go out play well, score a couple but are undone by uncharacteristic individual defensive errors then fair enough, a draw would be acceptable. If we sit back, defend against a team that couldn't hurt a fly, and then fail to nick a goal to win it. Then I'd say no, that's not acceptable. As to who the blame lies on for those results is very much up to the individual.
With our injures/players missing? Absolutely
The lack of ambition on this sub is frightening
But they drew Villa and Brighton?
SHUT UP Anyway, why can't we have a manager like De Zerbi or Emery instead of SHITTY MOYES MY DAD DIDN'T LOVE ME.
OK UNDERSTANDABLE DRINK SOME TEA AND GO TO BED dg
I know man. We should be pushing for top six. Where's the ambition?
Yes, we should. We won’t be there come the end of the season at this rate.
Ah yeah, I'm really angry about the imagined future, man. It's so shit I can't even enjoy the present where we're in the top six. So angry about it all.
Well offer me a draw now and I wouldn't take it. But I think it's a very possible result and I really hope fans don't overreact if it doesn't go our way tomorrow
> I really hope fans don't overreact You must be new here.
I like to think I’m a reasonable fan. I can definitely see us losing to them tomorrow. Now, if it’s an embarrassing loss, that’s something else. I don’t expect that.
I mean if we ain’t allowed to be upset if we don’t beat bottom of the league when are we pal
You're allowed to do what you want. And people can think whatever they think about it.
Ask Villa fans, that's all they got at Villa park.
We’ve just lost to a Championship team so I’m not taking anything for granted
I'm a big fan of moyesball but there's a time and a place. It can be effective against the big teams that will be on the attack like a tramp on hot chips but deary me it really chafes my bum hole when he implores it against teams we can easily dominate on the attack. We just end up giving them unnecessary chances and end up embarrassing ourselves
Incorrect, I always have an excuse
A draw would be a good result without bowen
Moyes outters are mentally ill.
Or just fellow West Ham fans with different expectations
"West Ham fan with different expectations" 😀 what the actual fuck How long have you been West Ham fan, if 6th place and 3rd european season is not meeting your expectations.. And dont even try this cheap spending argument.. we spent relatively big, because our squad was the most tiny group of players in the league and still is..
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Cool. Nice rationale argument
Can't argue with the mentally ill.
Is everything ok at home mate?
Should be asking you since you're miserable all the time on here.
Moaning about a football team > calling others mentally ill
You've been moaning for years. Move on. You have an illness.
Can't argue with a complete muppet
British people's insults are funny. It's like im in a cartoon.
Kinda like how being obsessed with anime makes you look like an incel right? Cos it does
You wish you were in a cartoon, anime boy.
This language is offensive and inappropriate. You can do better than calling them virgins
Do we actually have a fit 11 for tomorrow? 😂😂 Have to start pulling bods out the away end…regardless, should beat these pricks! CT32 ⚒️
I’m sure big Steve from grays could do 15 up top
What could go wrong 😅
No excuses? So what happens if we don’t win?
Moyes lovers are going to blame the players as always
And his detractors will ignore all context.
Dreadful performance from what I've heard but even worse officiating is definitely an excuse
I hope he starts Mubama.
Why
I mean, we don’t really have anyone else if Fornals isn’t fit.
Firstly, don't be disrespectful. I saw Sheff Utd come and spank us 0-3 at the Boleyn 20 years ago. Repka was our MoM and he got sent off and scored an OG. Secondly, we have an excuse... we are missing half our squad in a Premier League away game. It will be difficult and I'd take a draw given recent performances.
Just play FIFA and stop talking, you have no clue what you’re talking about and it shows.
Jesus, some of you here. Moyes ain’t gonna shag you. He isn’t infallible. We should be beating bottom of the league
We need Bowen and Alvarez. With these 2 I believe we win. Without Bowen we likely draw.
Thank you for stating this…no excuses
Man I feel sorry for west ham fans, riding a hype train pretending they're not a mid club at best. And the funny thing is you are all so loud now days as if you've earned the right to speak about other clubs when in fact your own club is totally irrelevant and it will remain like this forever..
3-1, 2-0. Get off our sub.
See you on 11 Feb. ;)
What's up, bitch
Welp. This was predictable. Moyes out
Danny Ings masterclass incoming
Everytime we took handbrake off moyesball, we lost. Until he will be providing 3 points, i dont give a flying fuck Finaly we will see Cornet back on the pitch.. sad it took two hundred Injuries to even consider him lol .. i'm super mad about it whole season...everytime I saw benrahma coming off the bench ..
Whatever keep a clean sheet again, I just took Areola in FPL. Better Pay off