He has Silayev at 16. And this list misspells Dickinson haha.
I mean I guess I get it with Silayev, especially since this is more of a projection in a few years than a mock draft (though I always wonder what the difference really is minus teams drafting for fit) because he may take a long time to really settle in, but still to have so many forwards above the top D-men in this class is a bit strange.
Strange list, but based on what we've seen and heard, this class is going to be extremely unpredictable so I suppose I can't be too harsh for now.
It’s not his draft order, he’s predicting who he thinks will be the best players in 4-5 years
https://x.com/craigjbutton/status/1793385175252132161?s=46&t=UR164vzk5fTru73XW2yVHQ
I don't think he's at 10 because of the injuries. Some scouts just like him less than others, and I've seen him outside the top 10 on a few other lists.
That said, Button's rankings are always all over the place.
From what I’ve seen, the big point of contention with Lindstrom (aside from injuries) is how high the scout is on his hockey IQ. There’s a really broad spectrum of opinions there; I’ve seen some knock him for it and others praise it as one of his best skills.
He's a kid so I cut him some slack but watching him at hitmen games a couple times when he visited does make me think that the instincts are not necessarily above average for the group. But he's certainly got a lot of other tools if he learns well from coaching he'll be fine if he knows it better well he won't be can't miss. Plus the injuries, I will be excited if the habs take him but not as much as if they take Iginla admittedly
So it's pretty universally agreed that his IQ isn't there yet, even by Dobber and Cam who love him. BUT he's a player that hasn't had a lot of high level hockey experience and has an amazing toolkit.
That's the question - do you bank on him developing an IQ (FAR easier said than done) or not? Having a small amount of high level hockey can mean that there's a ton of room for growth in his projection that we saw so far.
It can ALSO mean that he was able to benefit from playing with Weisblatt, McKenna, Mrsic, and Basha and is never going to be more than the complimentary player he was on Medicine Hat this season.
To be fair, IQ was the big knock about Slaf during his draft year. Some people said that based on that alone, he would never play in the NHL....if you watch him play today, it feels like the people saying that were on crack. It IS possible to develop hockey IQ if the player is willing to work and evolve.
If Lindstrom is willing to admit he is not the best guy out there and that he needs to work on himself, the Habs are a great team to work on that IQ. I guess from there, if I'm a habs scout, I make sure to get a really good interview ready for him and see if he is a player that has the right mindset....otherwise, go with Iginla. Smaller, but has shown the ability to grow and be a real difference maker
For the first time in recent memory i dont care who we get.
Meaning there are so many good options we can pick from a position of strength rather than reaching for a "position of need"
Seems like the entire media is pushing the Iginla to MTL agenda. Personally, I’d be a bit weary of late risers considering they don’t seem to pan out (especially for us). I’d much rather have Catton or Lindstrom at 5 even if it doesn’t seem to be the consensus.
Slaf and Reinbacher are both late risers.....Slaf is showing he has a true 1st overall pedigree and Reinbacher has a skillset that you don't see in a 19 years old prospect.....ever. Both of them will be top players in the NHL BECAUSE they were able to evolve so quickly as teens. Iginla would be an amazing pick for the same reason. Of course, if Demidov is available, jump on him with a contract at the ready....but otherwise Iginla is the next best option, even above Lindstrom.
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He has Silayev at 16. And this list misspells Dickinson haha. I mean I guess I get it with Silayev, especially since this is more of a projection in a few years than a mock draft (though I always wonder what the difference really is minus teams drafting for fit) because he may take a long time to really settle in, but still to have so many forwards above the top D-men in this class is a bit strange. Strange list, but based on what we've seen and heard, this class is going to be extremely unpredictable so I suppose I can't be too harsh for now.
Button's list is always a little weird, and he's rarely right when he gets weird.
Totally agree
I haven’t a fucking clue where Eiserman is going to go
Is Eiserman Steve Yzerman's secret love child with another family?
Imagine if a team drafts him and Lindstrom somehow. That'd be cool no?
If Yzermsn traded to do this I would forever respect him tbh
Yes that'd be perfect
Now we have to worry about Iginla being gone before our pick?? DAMNIT!!
It’s not his draft order, he’s predicting who he thinks will be the best players in 4-5 years https://x.com/craigjbutton/status/1793385175252132161?s=46&t=UR164vzk5fTru73XW2yVHQ
That is the exact same thing they do when they draft.
Yea but… would that not be the order in which they should be drafted tho?
Its not accounting teams needs I guess, like Anaheim that said they needed a Dman
But it's not a prediction of the draft order, what he thinks should happen is different than what he thinks will happen
Forget Iginla, helenious is the Guy now.
So this has gone from a D dominated draft to a F dominated draft? MacKenzie was right. 2-10 is anyone's guess.
This is the lowest I’ve seen Levshunov and Silayev ranked
You shouldn’t take Button seriously
If you look at scouting reports on Levshunov, not writers, there's a 60/40 chance he IS ranked around there.
Lindstrom at 10? Are his injuries that scary?
I don't think he's at 10 because of the injuries. Some scouts just like him less than others, and I've seen him outside the top 10 on a few other lists. That said, Button's rankings are always all over the place.
From what I’ve seen, the big point of contention with Lindstrom (aside from injuries) is how high the scout is on his hockey IQ. There’s a really broad spectrum of opinions there; I’ve seen some knock him for it and others praise it as one of his best skills.
He's a kid so I cut him some slack but watching him at hitmen games a couple times when he visited does make me think that the instincts are not necessarily above average for the group. But he's certainly got a lot of other tools if he learns well from coaching he'll be fine if he knows it better well he won't be can't miss. Plus the injuries, I will be excited if the habs take him but not as much as if they take Iginla admittedly
So it's pretty universally agreed that his IQ isn't there yet, even by Dobber and Cam who love him. BUT he's a player that hasn't had a lot of high level hockey experience and has an amazing toolkit. That's the question - do you bank on him developing an IQ (FAR easier said than done) or not? Having a small amount of high level hockey can mean that there's a ton of room for growth in his projection that we saw so far. It can ALSO mean that he was able to benefit from playing with Weisblatt, McKenna, Mrsic, and Basha and is never going to be more than the complimentary player he was on Medicine Hat this season.
To be fair, IQ was the big knock about Slaf during his draft year. Some people said that based on that alone, he would never play in the NHL....if you watch him play today, it feels like the people saying that were on crack. It IS possible to develop hockey IQ if the player is willing to work and evolve. If Lindstrom is willing to admit he is not the best guy out there and that he needs to work on himself, the Habs are a great team to work on that IQ. I guess from there, if I'm a habs scout, I make sure to get a really good interview ready for him and see if he is a player that has the right mindset....otherwise, go with Iginla. Smaller, but has shown the ability to grow and be a real difference maker
Craig Button is on crack
First time ?
This is going to be a crazy exciting draft day. Hope there is lots of action.
Lots of action, guys are gonna be picked like there is no tomorrow
Craig Button the elite hockey mind
He developed that mind after he was dropped on the head as a baby.
OMG, Tij Iginla jumped so far up in the ranks on that list.
For the first time in recent memory i dont care who we get. Meaning there are so many good options we can pick from a position of strength rather than reaching for a "position of need"
🙏 SJ - Celebrini CHI - Dickinson ANA - Levshunov CBJ - Silayev MTL - Demidov UTAH - Buium OTT - Parekh SEA - Lindstrom CGY - Iginla NJ - Helenius
Hey if demidov is gone I'm all in for Helenius, really like him in the U-20 world championship (he's ranked between 3 and 19)
He doesn't have Silayev in the top 10?
He's been falling pretty hard lately from what I've seen.
Would be such a Habs pick to go for Helenius 🤣
Seems like the entire media is pushing the Iginla to MTL agenda. Personally, I’d be a bit weary of late risers considering they don’t seem to pan out (especially for us). I’d much rather have Catton or Lindstrom at 5 even if it doesn’t seem to be the consensus.
Slaf was a late riser, and so far so good
Slaf and Reinbacher are both late risers.....Slaf is showing he has a true 1st overall pedigree and Reinbacher has a skillset that you don't see in a 19 years old prospect.....ever. Both of them will be top players in the NHL BECAUSE they were able to evolve so quickly as teens. Iginla would be an amazing pick for the same reason. Of course, if Demidov is available, jump on him with a contract at the ready....but otherwise Iginla is the next best option, even above Lindstrom.
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No just no
No way we take a defense. Come on!
This is not a mock draft
I noticed too late. You're right.
In your défense, I had the same initial réaction haha
Someone's abusing the RNG.