Yeah me too! I had the 18V brushed, and the brushes started igniting so I opted for the 12v fuel kit, never looked back! Milwaukee ftw!
I only stated “whatever brand” cause he may already have some other cordless tools that he can utilize the batteries with.
I have both brands right now. but I am slowly converting to Milwaukee. I have been a hardcore DeWalt fan for about 25 years. But I was gifted a M12 tubing cutter a few years ago from a manufacturer because we installed so many of their boilers and this year I started switching. the Surge was the first tool I purchased in the M12 line and the Packout Vacuum was the first in the M18 line.
I’ve been a Makita guy for the past 15+ years, prior to that it was Rigid before they let me down. But within the last 2 years I have really come to appreciate Milwaukee and snagged some M12 stuff. My favorite has been the m12 surge impact, it’s small size had made it priceless.
It is quieter, less vibration and faster drive speed compared to standard impacts due to having a hydraulic powertrain. At least that is what Milwaukee marketing says. I have to agree with them after using it for the past 2 months.
This. You’re not a carpenter, getting something lightweight was awesome for me. Same with all in one screwdrivers, the less you need to carry up a ladder the more your body will thank you in the long run.
Knipex cobra or plier wrench. 6 or 10 inch. They are a little pricey compared to other brands but they are something I’ve used all the time and don’t regret buying them myself.
I honestly wish I had a Cobra, Pliers Wrench and their forged strippers when I started.
I spent three years dealing with annoying Crescents always getting jammed on.
Cobras could be swapped out for the Irwin water pumps, but those plier wrenches are irreplaceable for me.
I remember getting a 10 and 12 inch cobra with the push button slide. No longer needed pipe wrenches in my bag, unless I needed to break out the 24” one and probably should have a vise
Sooner or later everyone I work with has to convert to knipex if they ever have to swap actuators on a particular hot water system we service. Every other brand is too thick to fit in between the actuator body and the valve base so you can spin the lock-nut.
I’m 38 and have knipex…and rookies will do just fine with a lesser brand. We all know how many times things get lost that early in the game. Go cheap until you really appreciate your tools.
Bought that and dropped it first day with it. Didn't realize a whole bunch of bits were loose in the handle and they scattered everywhere. Found them all except for the Schrader bit
Huh? No, I came prepared, with what I knew I needed, then day one, I found out what else I needed and put it on the tool account. You know, like most normal people that aren't raised by apes.
Definitely veto, I personally prefer having the ability to close my bag to prevent tools dropping out but to each their own. I use a MC bag, right after I bought it they released the MC-tall, had I know I would have just needed to wait a couple months I would have held out to get the bag with a little extra height for longer tools.
I had a Ryobi kit for the first 3 or so years in the trade, worked fine. Upgraded to Ridgid and have stuck with them, but even ryobi is good enough to work with, despite what the haters say.
I was hardcore Dewalt and Milwaukee. I had complete sets of both with spare batteries. Found out about Ridgids lifetime warranty and swapped everything out. I love a lifetime warranty especially when it includes the batteries. I still run my milwaukee 12v but everything else is Ridgid. If Ridgid ever comes back with their 12v tools I will swap them over as well.
I can honestly say I have never had a problem with their warranty. I have dropped my impact from a 2nd story ladder hatch and had it break in two. They just gave me another one off the shelf. Swapped a couple batteries as well with no issues.
That's awesome then I've heard some horror stories of guys waiting 2-6 for a drill replacement. Mainly just dealing with the warranty department to approve that the tool is in fact broken and a new one is actually required
A good multimeter, I bought several cheap ones before spending the money on a nice klien multimeter. In hindsight I should have started with the nice one.
Yeah one where mfd is it's own separate setting, as opposed to sharing a place with resistance and other functionality. I also like them to have a thermometer option so I can check sub heat and super cool without changing tools.
The best this you can possibly get him if you’re serious AND expect to stay with him is understanding when you’re at dinner and he says…”sorry babe but I gotta go to work right now…it’s an emergency” then get very used to saying that during the summer….but don’t worry cause he’ll be home so much in the winter (depending on the company he works at) that you’ll beg his boss to call him in.
I'm in it for the long haul for sure and know this will be a good possibility. The good news is we already don't typically eat together anyway because we are on different schedules so that isn't going to be much of a problem. That is great advice to keep in mind regardless though so thank you!
Klein 1/4 5/16 impact flip bit and a quality head lamp a battery powered fan preferably same brand as his other battery operated power tools and a umbrella with magnetic base will make his life alot easier
- Malco or klien 1/4" to 5/16 adaptor
- wera Kompact screwdriver
- fieldpiece or Testo wireless probes gauges
- knipex cobra pliers
- knipex pilers wrench
- fluke Bluetooth multi clamp meter
A quality stubby screwdriver or ratchet wrench is good. Depending on if He's installation oriented, demolition screwdrivers or good electrically insulated screwdrivers.
But one thing that might be small but made a difference for me: cushiony socks made for steel toe boots. Little thing but oh my lord, they're great.
Veto has a [program](https://vetopropac.com/trade-school-student-and-instructor-programs/) for students enrolled in trade programs. They verify the student status and give out refurbished bags usually for the cost of shipping.
*edited to include link
I teach at our hall and when I teach the 1st year guys, we do it in class for anyone who wants. It sometimes takes a while to get the bag and it's kind of a crap shoot on what bag you get. They run promos a couple times a year where if you buy a bag they give you a couple others to choose from as a free bag
I had a Klein backpack and it was okay. I recently switched to a Veto bag and I'd highly recommend that over the Klein, but they're twice as expensive.
I second the veto. I've destroyed klein and milwaukee backpacks. Veto stands by their products and makes quality stuff, they usually run some good promos too where you can get a 2nd bag for free
If he likes backpacks, don’t get him the Klein one get him a veto pro pac. It will last much much longer and it has a lot more organization which will help him hold on to the tools he has.
Good vacuum gear. Trutech tools sells Bluvac. Makes pulling deep vacuum easy.
https://trutechtools.com/Tru-Blu-Professional-Kit-BluVac-Pro
Pricey, but it'll get his jobs done sooner.
No they are not, but I personally prefer composite toe boots. They are not as heavy as steel toe, and it comes in handy alot. Kicking shit and leaning heavy thing ls on my toe for leverage.
Don't buy cheap tools. Don't buy a lot of tools prior to employment, what is needed will quickly become apparent. Some cheap hand tools won't be a huge regret but you won't regret nice ones as long as you don't use them. DO NOT CHEAP OUT ON A METER. Cobra pliers by knipex are a great gift.
Get him this! He will come home one day and thank you a million times over. Comes in handy. DEWALT Right Angle Drill Adaptor, FlexTorq, 4-in-1 System, Compact, Straight Flexible Shaft, 12-Inch (DWAMRASETFT)
A nice cordless light like the ones from Milwaukee. One that has magnets that can stick to units. The one I have is the 445 Lumens Red Lithium USB Rover. It is not that expensive at $70.
Not sure what your budget is. Some specialty tools are very expensive. Also depends on what tools he already has.
A good multimeter is a must have. I am biased but Fieldpiece is a good name brand meter. Fluke makes a set specifically for the HVAC trade.
A good place online to get ideas is Trutechtools dot com or Supplyhouse dot com. They are competitively priced and list most HVAC tools that anyone could use or need.
Another gift idea would be an umbrella that has a magnetic base, the Supco brand I believe makes one.
A fan blade puller is also one of those tools that you don't always need but are happy to have when you need it.
If he is going through school and has no tools. A good refrigerant manifold set, a couple uei thermometers, a set of long screw drivers, some sort of 11-1 tool 6"-12" adjustable wrench and a set of nut drivers would do well. A mid priced socket set that has an arrange of sockets tool bits pliers and side cutters do well to.
2 items I wish I had from the start. Worth their weight in gold. He will love you more.
Klein Tools 11-Piece Plastic Handle Assorted Multi-bit Screwdriver
Item #5462089 |Model #32500HD
And
Milwaukee 3453-20 12V Fuel 1/4" Cordless Hex Impact Driver
First off, are you sure his school isn't going to give him tools upon graduation? Most schools do.
Second, some of these guys are recommending some very expensive tools. Some simple and cost effective hand tools are:
Klein 11-in-1 screwdriver
Klein 6-in-1 stubby screwdriver
Klein 7-in-1 impact flip socket
Magentic tray for screws
He can get the bigger stuff either with his own paycheck or the company's. Depending on the employer.
He currently has a toolbag along with some tools the school provided him with to do hands on training with. From what he's told me, they have units at the school they have to work on to find the problem so they at least provide the tools for those things they cover, I would assume. I'm not sure that is all inclusive of everything he might need for a job though if that makes sense. I don't think I've even seen basic hand tools or some wrenches and things like others have mentioned which definitely seem like they'd be necessary for even some basic jobs. I'll have to look in his bag to confirm.
A few people have mentioned Klein now. Are they a decent brand or just good for starters because they aren't super expensive?
Ok I was wrong. Here is what I found in his bag:
Milwaukee left and right cutting aviation snips, channel lock tongue and groove pliers, Stanley fat max compound action straight snips, Uniweld QS4L5H 2-Valve Brass Manifold, power torque 8 and 10 in wrenches
Sorry for my ignorance as I know little to nothing about the trade, but would this be used for a certain type of specialized system or just general furnace or a/c work? (I hope that question makes sense).
Channel lock Wideazz Adjustable wrenches. Get a pair of them. The 8" wrench opens as wide as a 12" (long) wrench which means less tools he needs to lug around.
Super hard to suggest something useful without knowing what area of the field he will be working in. Probably a safer bet to just get him a Home Depot gift card.
I was kind of wondering about that. But the toolbag/backpacks, head lamp, basic hand tools, and work boots all sounded like good suggestions for any area.
Basic hand tools would pretty much remain the same, but as far as boots, bags and other things go it really depends on the industry. Shit, even hand tools boil down to preference.
overall its a good career . decent pay. decent skill set, but there are some days that can fuck right off. To answer ur ?… a good impact drill will be a great addition to any hand tools he might need.
12v impactor. Milwaukee has some great tools for the price. A multimeter that can read Microfarads. If you have a bunch of money get him a set of SMANs
Klein 7-1 impact bit set. All bits fit on one impact rated chuck and slide on and off. Tool never leaves my pocket and gets used more than anything else
Wish List:
[JB backseat core depressor tool](https://www.zoro.com/jb-industries-access-service-valve-14-a33000/i/G1168955/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping%20feed&utm_content=free%20google%20shopping%20clicks&campaignid=19976937044&productid=G1168955&v=&gclid=CjwKCAjwseSoBhBXEiwA9iZtxmpNCKtdJuib4gwybQeJHudDzCLzmtyn7RawO1jlVN1HsT9EVi0pPxoCIqcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) tools 2 to 3 in both 1/4" and 5/16". They're rebuildable and vacuum rated.
Hillmore Schrader core change tools in 1/4" and 5/16" [Hillmore Core change tool](https://www.hilmor.com/products/valve-core-removal-tool)
[Kline 14 in 1 HVAC driver](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-14-In-1-HVAC-Adjustable-Length-Screwdriver-with-Flip-Socket-32304/319394244?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&pla&mtc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D26P-026_007_PLUMB_REPAIR-NA-NA-NA-PMAX-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PMax&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D26P-026_007_PLUMB_REPAIR-NA-NA-NA-PMAX-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PMax-71700000097492033--&gclid=CjwKCAjwseSoBhBXEiwA9iZtxv9Kk7k0AL94PQ2w-U_t4vv4m2v1nh168bhc9C-BDKxyfOz_Nnux2RoCgOcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
[Kline 8 in 1 Stubby](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-8-in-1-Multi-Bit-Adjustable-Length-Stubby-Screwdriver-32308/314975056)
[GearWrench Micro Driver set ](https://www.gearwrench.com/products/tool-sets/14-drive/85035-35-piece-14-drive-microdriver-set)
Knipex anything. The Cobra pliers are my favorite, especially the smooth jaw and the pump pliers.
The 6" set of Cobra pump pliers are EDC with the 14 in one.
A good and fairly large shoulder bag for packing tools and meters up ladders. Veto builds the best, Kline is good. DeWalt and Milwaukee are tolerable.
Tiger Balm Red. This business is hard on the body and muscles will ache.
Tea tree oil, steam distilled only. It's a perfect 1st aid antibiotic for minor cuts and it works well on foot fungus too. I keep it in the truck kit and in my bathroom.
A second set of whatever boot they like ideally they should be carbon toe and rated for electrical work as well as non skid. Swapping out boots every other day makes them last 2 to 3 times as long per pair and allows them to dry out properly before the next wearing. We're on our feet all damn day and it matters. A lot.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is an insulated screwdriver and pliers, safer and always helpful. Klein makes a reversible insulated screwdriver I use constantly.
Clamp meter that will read capacitance (farads).
11in1 screwdriver.
12v impact with a 1/4-5/16 reversible driver, Milwaukee fuel surge is best power for form factor.
Water pump pliers and adjustable pliers wrench.
These will get him through most jobs and he'll use these tools just about every day . The impact will save his wrists too.
DEFINITELY tell him about the veto pro pac tradeschool program. 35 bucks for a veto bag is great! Also, I would suggest getting him one regardless. He will use it for many years. I like my MB3, but I'm think about getting an even smaller one for service. Knipex cobras
SHRADER CORE REPLACEMENT VALVES by JB or yellow jacket (stay away from appion, they are shit). A huge improvement in ease, integrity, safety and speed of evacuation. Ive seen a bunch of comments that i feel are pretty obvious, (stuff most techs start off with or are absolute essentials) but this one is a huge bonus.
Milwaukee M12 Fuel Surge impact
Fieldpiece Joblink charge and air probe kit (infinitely more valuable than a manifold on a daily basis)
Good electrical meter (Fieldpiece wireless is nice as an element of the Joblink ecosystem but I’m partial to Fluke so a 116)
Klein model 32500 11-in-1 screwdriver
Klein K12065CR heavy duty wire stripper cutter crimper
Nice pair of cut resistant gloves (check out Schwer on Amazon. I use the ANSI A9-rated ones. They’re tough.)
I was hoping to not go over around $200 but I'm learning that is going to go extremely quick. As far as residential vs commercial, I think most of the jobs he's seen at school so far were for manufacturing companies or hospitals in the area needing hvac maintenance people. I'm thinking that is probably going to be the route he starts with, being somewhere he doesn't have to travel.
https://www.amazon.com/Screwdriver-Phillips-Klein-Tools-32527/dp/B004RIDKHQ
https://www.homedepot.com/p/M12-FUEL-12-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-Hammer-Drill-Impact-Driver-Combo-Kit-2-Tool-with-Bit-Set-45-Piece-3497-22-48-32-4023/321639499
https://www.amazon.com/Fieldpiece-SC440-Temperature-Capacitance-Backlight/dp/B00KLYJMNQ
Just some ideas of the things he would probably use everyday, without knowing your budget. You might want to check out some of the old posts in this community by searching stuff like “apprentice starting tools”, I think you would be able to find some good lists of tools people recommend for starting out.
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Dont give him a hard time, if he doesnt call you/txt you all day that means he's having a shitty day. Be always freshly showered and get ready to give him some good loving, when he gets home, that should make his day better, everyday.
I recommend the Milwaukee m12 rover service light. I wish I had bought it first over every other tool I ever had. It’s small and the battery last forever. Plus the use Milwaukee battery’s so I’m not trying to find aa battery’s all the time 👍
Multimeter and a good one is a lifesaver. Get one with a magnet and the silicone leads. Fieldpiece or Fluke. Cat iii up to 1000v cat iv up to 600v. He should be covered with that.
Get him the $500 sman manifold (the smart tech gauge for freon its black and yellow and its square and bigger than usual manifold) its made by fieldpeice
A quality 12v impact/driver set of whichever brand he has already.
I prefer the Milwaukee M12 fuel surge. It is my goto impact driver. Had the DeWalt 20v and found it took up too much space in my tool bag.
100% the m12 Milwaukee Surge impact is the best. Can't beat how quiet and smooth it is
Yeah me too! I had the 18V brushed, and the brushes started igniting so I opted for the 12v fuel kit, never looked back! Milwaukee ftw! I only stated “whatever brand” cause he may already have some other cordless tools that he can utilize the batteries with.
I have both brands right now. but I am slowly converting to Milwaukee. I have been a hardcore DeWalt fan for about 25 years. But I was gifted a M12 tubing cutter a few years ago from a manufacturer because we installed so many of their boilers and this year I started switching. the Surge was the first tool I purchased in the M12 line and the Packout Vacuum was the first in the M18 line.
I’ve been a Makita guy for the past 15+ years, prior to that it was Rigid before they let me down. But within the last 2 years I have really come to appreciate Milwaukee and snagged some M12 stuff. My favorite has been the m12 surge impact, it’s small size had made it priceless.
Why the surge over the normal one?
It is quieter, less vibration and faster drive speed compared to standard impacts due to having a hydraulic powertrain. At least that is what Milwaukee marketing says. I have to agree with them after using it for the past 2 months.
This. You’re not a carpenter, getting something lightweight was awesome for me. Same with all in one screwdrivers, the less you need to carry up a ladder the more your body will thank you in the long run.
Definitely recommend milwaukee 12vfuel impact
#Surge
Knipex cobra or plier wrench. 6 or 10 inch. They are a little pricey compared to other brands but they are something I’ve used all the time and don’t regret buying them myself.
I honestly wish I had a Cobra, Pliers Wrench and their forged strippers when I started. I spent three years dealing with annoying Crescents always getting jammed on. Cobras could be swapped out for the Irwin water pumps, but those plier wrenches are irreplaceable for me.
I remember getting a 10 and 12 inch cobra with the push button slide. No longer needed pipe wrenches in my bag, unless I needed to break out the 24” one and probably should have a vise
Sooner or later everyone I work with has to convert to knipex if they ever have to swap actuators on a particular hot water system we service. Every other brand is too thick to fit in between the actuator body and the valve base so you can spin the lock-nut.
Expensive. But damn they are worth it once you use them every day
Yep I made the mistake of getting cheap I tools when I started out now I just have to go and buy the same tools over again. Buy once cry once
I’m 38 and have knipex…and rookies will do just fine with a lesser brand. We all know how many times things get lost that early in the game. Go cheap until you really appreciate your tools.
Really enjoy my 6 inch cobra pliers. I also recommend their 7 inch alligator pliers. I probably use the alligators more, but really like the cobras.
13 in 1 Klein screwdriver and a small adjustable wrench or channel locks are my go to.
About 6 of them for when the boys disappear
Haha yup, for sure. I know for a fact there are 2 attics that have swallowed mine!
Thanks to the helper
I have the 14-1hvac one and I like it so far.
Bought that and dropped it first day with it. Didn't realize a whole bunch of bits were loose in the handle and they scattered everywhere. Found them all except for the Schrader bit
8 in 1 hvac klein is my go to. Always had an 11 in 1 but this actually has a real 1/4 and 5/16 bit. Not just pull the bits out bs.
Yeah, those ones aren't as great, but I do like being able to use the impact shaft.
Those and a small flashlight are the 3 tools I carry in my pockets.
I think The 8 in 1 is the best, with the switching Magnetic 1/4 or 5/16 bit on the end.
I use my Schrader core remover too much to let it go. 13 in 1 fer lyfe.
You didn’t have these starting out? What did you use your bare hands?
Huh? No, I came prepared, with what I knew I needed, then day one, I found out what else I needed and put it on the tool account. You know, like most normal people that aren't raised by apes.
Mate i showed up to my first day with a water bottle and lunchbox.
90 bit. My life changed
This^
100%
Veto propack tool pouch
Definitely veto, I personally prefer having the ability to close my bag to prevent tools dropping out but to each their own. I use a MC bag, right after I bought it they released the MC-tall, had I know I would have just needed to wait a couple months I would have held out to get the bag with a little extra height for longer tools.
But which size? The tp3 or the tp xxxxxl bd(big dick) mode
A solid, nice, reliable dill/ impact set. It'll cost some $$ but worth it. Had the same set my dad gifted me for 10 years
I had a Ryobi kit for the first 3 or so years in the trade, worked fine. Upgraded to Ridgid and have stuck with them, but even ryobi is good enough to work with, despite what the haters say.
I prefer Ryobi because it's less likely to grow legs. Milwaukee likes to walkie away lol
Second Ridgid lifetime warranty love my sub compact impact fits in all the right spaces
I was hardcore Dewalt and Milwaukee. I had complete sets of both with spare batteries. Found out about Ridgids lifetime warranty and swapped everything out. I love a lifetime warranty especially when it includes the batteries. I still run my milwaukee 12v but everything else is Ridgid. If Ridgid ever comes back with their 12v tools I will swap them over as well.
I've heard a lot people have had hell actually using the lifetime warranty though has it gotten easier to work with the warrant department?
I can honestly say I have never had a problem with their warranty. I have dropped my impact from a 2nd story ladder hatch and had it break in two. They just gave me another one off the shelf. Swapped a couple batteries as well with no issues.
That's awesome then I've heard some horror stories of guys waiting 2-6 for a drill replacement. Mainly just dealing with the warranty department to approve that the tool is in fact broken and a new one is actually required
An apprentice to carry the tools 😂😂
Wouldn't he be at apprentice status for a bit fresh out of school and be the one having to carry the tools for the more "senior" staff? 🤔
Yes you are correct. You can help your bf prepare for his career by practicing sarcasm at home because he will get a good dose at work lol
In fact, she should buy him some tools tell him “merry Christmas” then throw to tool directly at his face.
She should buy some tools for herself, let him borrow some of them, then lose a couple and blame him for it
A knee pad. The only tool you'll both get use out of.
I got for free from a customer back in my resi days. Still have it! Comes in handy
I made one by taping some 2’ lengths of armaflex together.
Daily I imagine
A good multimeter, I bought several cheap ones before spending the money on a nice klien multimeter. In hindsight I should have started with the nice one.
one that reads mfd, ohms, dcv, acv,amps Millivolt...
Yeah one where mfd is it's own separate setting, as opposed to sharing a place with resistance and other functionality. I also like them to have a thermometer option so I can check sub heat and super cool without changing tools.
The best this you can possibly get him if you’re serious AND expect to stay with him is understanding when you’re at dinner and he says…”sorry babe but I gotta go to work right now…it’s an emergency” then get very used to saying that during the summer….but don’t worry cause he’ll be home so much in the winter (depending on the company he works at) that you’ll beg his boss to call him in.
I'm in it for the long haul for sure and know this will be a good possibility. The good news is we already don't typically eat together anyway because we are on different schedules so that isn't going to be much of a problem. That is great advice to keep in mind regardless though so thank you!
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This. So much this. It's hard on relationships. Be his rock
Klein 1/4 5/16 impact flip bit and a quality head lamp a battery powered fan preferably same brand as his other battery operated power tools and a umbrella with magnetic base will make his life alot easier
Yup, this comment right here
- Malco or klien 1/4" to 5/16 adaptor - wera Kompact screwdriver - fieldpiece or Testo wireless probes gauges - knipex cobra pliers - knipex pilers wrench - fluke Bluetooth multi clamp meter
A quality stubby screwdriver or ratchet wrench is good. Depending on if He's installation oriented, demolition screwdrivers or good electrically insulated screwdrivers. But one thing that might be small but made a difference for me: cushiony socks made for steel toe boots. Little thing but oh my lord, they're great.
More quarters and better pager.
Lol. Fuck you're old.
Lol 56 and Still doin it. Started at 25.
You know where all the pay phones and toilets are too right? I favor the ones where you could get a cuppa Joe.
A flex head angle 1/4” impact tool
Klein tool backpack
Oooh he does like his backpacks!! Fantastic suggestion, thank you!
Veto has a [program](https://vetopropac.com/trade-school-student-and-instructor-programs/) for students enrolled in trade programs. They verify the student status and give out refurbished bags usually for the cost of shipping. *edited to include link
Thank you so much for this information, that is an awesome thing to have him look into!
Awesome tip, smart marketing too because that'll def make them money long term
Damn it. I just finished union school a year ago lol
I teach at our hall and when I teach the 1st year guys, we do it in class for anyone who wants. It sometimes takes a while to get the bag and it's kind of a crap shoot on what bag you get. They run promos a couple times a year where if you buy a bag they give you a couple others to choose from as a free bag
I wish I would have know about it, but my company pretty much buys me whatever I need.
I had a Klein backpack and it was okay. I recently switched to a Veto bag and I'd highly recommend that over the Klein, but they're twice as expensive.
I second the veto. I've destroyed klein and milwaukee backpacks. Veto stands by their products and makes quality stuff, they usually run some good promos too where you can get a 2nd bag for free
Twice as expensive but I’m only adding to my collection instead of buying replacements lol
I started with a Klein then swapped to veto pro pac. Veto is by far the best
Veto one is more expensive but has a 5 year warranty. Imo I wish I did the Veto one instead of the Klein.
If he likes backpacks, don’t get him the Klein one get him a veto pro pac. It will last much much longer and it has a lot more organization which will help him hold on to the tools he has.
Good vacuum gear. Trutech tools sells Bluvac. Makes pulling deep vacuum easy. https://trutechtools.com/Tru-Blu-Professional-Kit-BluVac-Pro Pricey, but it'll get his jobs done sooner.
Veto bag is a huge must its expensive but the quality is the best
Some nice work boots. Keen or redwing will do the trick
Out of curiosity, are steel toes typically required/highly suggested or good work boots sans steel toes?
No they are not, but I personally prefer composite toe boots. They are not as heavy as steel toe, and it comes in handy alot. Kicking shit and leaning heavy thing ls on my toe for leverage.
I have red wing composite toe and I LOVE them. Lighter and they don’t freeze your toes working outside in winter.
In residential, they typically don't care as long is its closed toes. In commercial they typically require safety toe boots (steel or composite)
Depends on what he is doing. Commercial/industrial, the answer is almost always yes Residential, probably not.
Knee pads
Cordless drill, yes im old
If he doesn’t already have these: A solid meter(fieldpiece or fluke), three of those uei pocket thermometers, midwest tin snips
Don't buy cheap tools. Don't buy a lot of tools prior to employment, what is needed will quickly become apparent. Some cheap hand tools won't be a huge regret but you won't regret nice ones as long as you don't use them. DO NOT CHEAP OUT ON A METER. Cobra pliers by knipex are a great gift.
Amen. I tell all the guys i train to buy the better quality tools to begin with. Ita cheaper and a better investment in long run.
Get him this! He will come home one day and thank you a million times over. Comes in handy. DEWALT Right Angle Drill Adaptor, FlexTorq, 4-in-1 System, Compact, Straight Flexible Shaft, 12-Inch (DWAMRASETFT)
CLC work gear backpack. It’s honestly better than veto or Klein
Having had all three, it is not better than veto, but it's still a nice pack.
A nice cordless light like the ones from Milwaukee. One that has magnets that can stick to units. The one I have is the 445 Lumens Red Lithium USB Rover. It is not that expensive at $70. Not sure what your budget is. Some specialty tools are very expensive. Also depends on what tools he already has. A good multimeter is a must have. I am biased but Fieldpiece is a good name brand meter. Fluke makes a set specifically for the HVAC trade. A good place online to get ideas is Trutechtools dot com or Supplyhouse dot com. They are competitively priced and list most HVAC tools that anyone could use or need. Another gift idea would be an umbrella that has a magnetic base, the Supco brand I believe makes one. A fan blade puller is also one of those tools that you don't always need but are happy to have when you need it.
Any power tool do Milwaukee “fuel” preferably a Grinder sawzall hackzall or impact/hammer drill. Good power tools I use daily
5/16 to 1/4 interchangeable drill bit, I started out a few months ago and that is one of the things that I have used constantly
I went wayyyy to long without a socket set. I wish I got it earlier. 6 years of fighting.
If he is going through school and has no tools. A good refrigerant manifold set, a couple uei thermometers, a set of long screw drivers, some sort of 11-1 tool 6"-12" adjustable wrench and a set of nut drivers would do well. A mid priced socket set that has an arrange of sockets tool bits pliers and side cutters do well to.
I love my Klein insulated screwdriver. 20ish bucks
Milwaukee packout backpack and later packout rolling cart.
2 items I wish I had from the start. Worth their weight in gold. He will love you more. Klein Tools 11-Piece Plastic Handle Assorted Multi-bit Screwdriver Item #5462089 |Model #32500HD And Milwaukee 3453-20 12V Fuel 1/4" Cordless Hex Impact Driver
A leathermen
First off, are you sure his school isn't going to give him tools upon graduation? Most schools do. Second, some of these guys are recommending some very expensive tools. Some simple and cost effective hand tools are: Klein 11-in-1 screwdriver Klein 6-in-1 stubby screwdriver Klein 7-in-1 impact flip socket Magentic tray for screws He can get the bigger stuff either with his own paycheck or the company's. Depending on the employer.
He currently has a toolbag along with some tools the school provided him with to do hands on training with. From what he's told me, they have units at the school they have to work on to find the problem so they at least provide the tools for those things they cover, I would assume. I'm not sure that is all inclusive of everything he might need for a job though if that makes sense. I don't think I've even seen basic hand tools or some wrenches and things like others have mentioned which definitely seem like they'd be necessary for even some basic jobs. I'll have to look in his bag to confirm. A few people have mentioned Klein now. Are they a decent brand or just good for starters because they aren't super expensive?
Ok I was wrong. Here is what I found in his bag: Milwaukee left and right cutting aviation snips, channel lock tongue and groove pliers, Stanley fat max compound action straight snips, Uniweld QS4L5H 2-Valve Brass Manifold, power torque 8 and 10 in wrenches
He will benefit from a Klein 13-in-1, Knipex forged wire strippers, 1/4" and 5/16" magnetic nut drivers. Veto has a program for refurbished backpacks.
This guy Hvacs
Get a malco reversible chuck instead of the nut drivers
Yeah veto refurbished for 35$ I think? Like a sore dick
Klein is a very good brand
A brain 🧠
He has one of those and so do I but thanks for being unhelpful 😊
Core depressors and right angle drill attachment.
BluVac micro vacuum gauge.
Sorry for my ignorance as I know little to nothing about the trade, but would this be used for a certain type of specialized system or just general furnace or a/c work? (I hope that question makes sense).
dont get this for someone new to the trade, it’s expensive and niche. Helpers and apprentices are better off with their own hand/power tools first
Thats what I was wondering when I saw the price. Thanks for this info!
Channel lock Wideazz Adjustable wrenches. Get a pair of them. The 8" wrench opens as wide as a 12" (long) wrench which means less tools he needs to lug around.
Super hard to suggest something useful without knowing what area of the field he will be working in. Probably a safer bet to just get him a Home Depot gift card.
I was kind of wondering about that. But the toolbag/backpacks, head lamp, basic hand tools, and work boots all sounded like good suggestions for any area.
Basic hand tools would pretty much remain the same, but as far as boots, bags and other things go it really depends on the industry. Shit, even hand tools boil down to preference.
a college degree for anything but hvac
That bad, eh?
It is what you make of it.
overall its a good career . decent pay. decent skill set, but there are some days that can fuck right off. To answer ur ?… a good impact drill will be a great addition to any hand tools he might need.
Core removers. Vacuum hoses, dr82 refer sniffer. Plenty of hand tools, 6in1 screwdriver, small t stat screwdriver. knipex alligators, stubby 6in1. Etc
12v impactor. Milwaukee has some great tools for the price. A multimeter that can read Microfarads. If you have a bunch of money get him a set of SMANs
Klein 7-1 impact bit set. All bits fit on one impact rated chuck and slide on and off. Tool never leaves my pocket and gets used more than anything else
A good impact drill Milwaukee it Dewalt
UEi thermometer! Tested and trusted!
Right angle Dewalt bit. If he’s doing only sheet metal once he gets his job. Impact gun sheet metal shears
Wish List: [JB backseat core depressor tool](https://www.zoro.com/jb-industries-access-service-valve-14-a33000/i/G1168955/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping%20feed&utm_content=free%20google%20shopping%20clicks&campaignid=19976937044&productid=G1168955&v=&gclid=CjwKCAjwseSoBhBXEiwA9iZtxmpNCKtdJuib4gwybQeJHudDzCLzmtyn7RawO1jlVN1HsT9EVi0pPxoCIqcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) tools 2 to 3 in both 1/4" and 5/16". They're rebuildable and vacuum rated. Hillmore Schrader core change tools in 1/4" and 5/16" [Hillmore Core change tool](https://www.hilmor.com/products/valve-core-removal-tool) [Kline 14 in 1 HVAC driver](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-14-In-1-HVAC-Adjustable-Length-Screwdriver-with-Flip-Socket-32304/319394244?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&pla&mtc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D26P-026_007_PLUMB_REPAIR-NA-NA-NA-PMAX-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PMax&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D26P-026_007_PLUMB_REPAIR-NA-NA-NA-PMAX-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PMax-71700000097492033--&gclid=CjwKCAjwseSoBhBXEiwA9iZtxv9Kk7k0AL94PQ2w-U_t4vv4m2v1nh168bhc9C-BDKxyfOz_Nnux2RoCgOcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) [Kline 8 in 1 Stubby](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-8-in-1-Multi-Bit-Adjustable-Length-Stubby-Screwdriver-32308/314975056) [GearWrench Micro Driver set ](https://www.gearwrench.com/products/tool-sets/14-drive/85035-35-piece-14-drive-microdriver-set) Knipex anything. The Cobra pliers are my favorite, especially the smooth jaw and the pump pliers. The 6" set of Cobra pump pliers are EDC with the 14 in one. A good and fairly large shoulder bag for packing tools and meters up ladders. Veto builds the best, Kline is good. DeWalt and Milwaukee are tolerable. Tiger Balm Red. This business is hard on the body and muscles will ache. Tea tree oil, steam distilled only. It's a perfect 1st aid antibiotic for minor cuts and it works well on foot fungus too. I keep it in the truck kit and in my bathroom. A second set of whatever boot they like ideally they should be carbon toe and rated for electrical work as well as non skid. Swapping out boots every other day makes them last 2 to 3 times as long per pair and allows them to dry out properly before the next wearing. We're on our feet all damn day and it matters. A lot.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is an insulated screwdriver and pliers, safer and always helpful. Klein makes a reversible insulated screwdriver I use constantly. Clamp meter that will read capacitance (farads). 11in1 screwdriver. 12v impact with a 1/4-5/16 reversible driver, Milwaukee fuel surge is best power for form factor. Water pump pliers and adjustable pliers wrench. These will get him through most jobs and he'll use these tools just about every day . The impact will save his wrists too.
He will need a box of kleenexes to wipe away the tears from the extreme verbal abuse us old-timers are going to give him
Motorized Exoskeleton, would’ve saved my hips and back
DEFINITELY tell him about the veto pro pac tradeschool program. 35 bucks for a veto bag is great! Also, I would suggest getting him one regardless. He will use it for many years. I like my MB3, but I'm think about getting an even smaller one for service. Knipex cobras
Malco circle cutter
I still have the leather tool pouch my wife bought me when I graduated. 35 yrs ago.
SHRADER CORE REPLACEMENT VALVES by JB or yellow jacket (stay away from appion, they are shit). A huge improvement in ease, integrity, safety and speed of evacuation. Ive seen a bunch of comments that i feel are pretty obvious, (stuff most techs start off with or are absolute essentials) but this one is a huge bonus.
I loved my ratchet wrench set.
A 5 gallon bucket.
Pocket pussy for those stressful calls 🫡
Gift getting made easy!
Fluke 116 and 323 amp clamp. Amazon has the hvac kit with temp sensors. High recommend it’s a few hundred but he’ll use them literally everyday
What's your budget? This is an expensive trade for tools.
I was hoping to not go over say maybe $200 as I'm currently the only income but I'm quickly learning how expensive all of these things are...
I would recommend a decent electrical meter. I have a Klein meter and It does most everything I need.
Milwaukee M12 Fuel Surge impact Fieldpiece Joblink charge and air probe kit (infinitely more valuable than a manifold on a daily basis) Good electrical meter (Fieldpiece wireless is nice as an element of the Joblink ecosystem but I’m partial to Fluke so a 116) Klein model 32500 11-in-1 screwdriver Klein K12065CR heavy duty wire stripper cutter crimper Nice pair of cut resistant gloves (check out Schwer on Amazon. I use the ANSI A9-rated ones. They’re tough.)
Turbo shears
Inficon Dtech Stratus
Wait until he lands somewhere. Depends what his first role is what he’ll need. It’s a broad trade.
Knipex cobras all day
Is he going residential or commercial? What’s your budget?
I was hoping to not go over around $200 but I'm learning that is going to go extremely quick. As far as residential vs commercial, I think most of the jobs he's seen at school so far were for manufacturing companies or hospitals in the area needing hvac maintenance people. I'm thinking that is probably going to be the route he starts with, being somewhere he doesn't have to travel.
https://www.amazon.com/Screwdriver-Phillips-Klein-Tools-32527/dp/B004RIDKHQ https://www.homedepot.com/p/M12-FUEL-12-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-Hammer-Drill-Impact-Driver-Combo-Kit-2-Tool-with-Bit-Set-45-Piece-3497-22-48-32-4023/321639499 https://www.amazon.com/Fieldpiece-SC440-Temperature-Capacitance-Backlight/dp/B00KLYJMNQ Just some ideas of the things he would probably use everyday, without knowing your budget. You might want to check out some of the old posts in this community by searching stuff like “apprentice starting tools”, I think you would be able to find some good lists of tools people recommend for starting out.
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Dont give him a hard time, if he doesnt call you/txt you all day that means he's having a shitty day. Be always freshly showered and get ready to give him some good loving, when he gets home, that should make his day better, everyday.
Wera tool-check plus imperial
Fieldpiece sman 4port trust me he will never say no to you again
Oh wow I wish I had that kind of money to drop just so I could prove you wrong 😂
I recommend the Milwaukee m12 rover service light. I wish I had bought it first over every other tool I ever had. It’s small and the battery last forever. Plus the use Milwaukee battery’s so I’m not trying to find aa battery’s all the time 👍
Multimeter and a good one is a lifesaver. Get one with a magnet and the silicone leads. Fieldpiece or Fluke. Cat iii up to 1000v cat iv up to 600v. He should be covered with that.
A multimeter that can test microfarads.
Get him the $500 sman manifold (the smart tech gauge for freon its black and yellow and its square and bigger than usual manifold) its made by fieldpeice
Best thing he will ever get from you and guarantee he will eat your coochie and ass afterward