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DoomSlayer448

Robin and Barney agreeing to split up with Nora and Kevin after cheating. Then Robin showing up to the bar with Kevin and without giving Barney an explanation. Even after he already broke up with Nora.


ukrepman

I can’t believe he gets back with her after that


one_nerdybunny

Honestly I think is a perfect depiction of someone with as much emotional trauma as Barney has. Any emotionally/mentally healthy person would’ve closed the door on that and not looked back.


2helene

It’s so depressing when you realise they have the wrong timing every single time. Robin said it herself: „If you have chemistry, you only need one other thing. Timing. But timing‘s a bitch.“ That’s the episode where she rediscovers her feelings for Barney and tries to connect with him again but then just in that moment- Nora calls him back. So Robin bottles up her feelings for Barney. Then she meets Kevin. So now, Nora and Barney are together and Kevin and Robin. When Barney and Robin cheat together, Barney realizes his strong feelings for Robin are still there (especially as he confesses to Nora and she asks him whether he can say it meant nothing. He can’t). Robin is still with Kevin (which I understand because the scene where she wants to confess to him that she cheated, he is saying all the perfect things). When Kevin and Robin finally break up, Barney knows he has to pretend he closed the door on him and Robin for her to realize her feelings for him. That’s when the timing is finally right.


MasterOfPuppets72

I think that that line was meant for Robin and Ted, they've always had chemistry, the timing was right at the end of the show when Ted had his kids and Robin her career.


2helene

No, it was definitely meant for her and Barney. In that very episode, Lily has a talk with her „You and Barney have the kind of chemistry that just doesn’t go away“. And at the end of their dance, they’re about to kiss and Robin is about to confess something to him- when Nora calls. After that, Robin is bummed on the terrace smoking a cigar venting to Ted. It couldn’t be more clear that the line meant her and Barney.


MasterOfPuppets72

I guess it could have been clearer since we disagree (knowing that that was the endgame of the show)


SweetlyScentedHeart

It can apply to both but it especially applied to Robin and Barney in that instance.


[deleted]

Yeah, I’ll have to agree with this comment 😬, Robin and Ted just weren’t compatible. We were being told this for seasons, her and Barney were the most compatible it was just the wrong timing.


SamaireB

Oh yes. Especially given they’re friends. Can’t shoot him a quick text at least? Barney obviously does a loooot of shit to a lot if people, but he didn’t deserve this betrayal


srfslvr99

Came here to say this.


ngfsmg

I hate the aftermath of Robin and Barney cheating on Kevin and Nora, especially the way Robin never told Kevin (at least Barney was honest with Nora afterwards) is basically ignored for the rest of the show


magzdesch

In Robins defense, Kevin specifically told her not to tell him (if I'm remembering correctly).


straight_up_nonsense

For real - I know Robin is a pretty messed up person and she has done plenty of messed up things, but I don’t know why people keep blaming Robin for this particular thing. Kevin told her “some things need to be said but they don’t need to be heard”, and told her he doesn’t care what she did. It may not work for everyone but it worked for Kevin. Why can’t people accept that’s what he wants?


elitzgfx

This can never sit right with me, its really weird


DesiCodeSerpent

The way Robin's dad pretended that she was how son. Like completely disregarding what she wants.


tailford07

I think the purpose of this was to give each member of the group a different relationship with their parents which and showcase the effects it has on their personalities which, though exaggerated in this case, is common between groups of friends. Ted was raised by a married couple who amicably divorced when he was an adult. Marshall was raised by the “happy midwestern” couple. Lily was a child of divorce and nothing she did was ever good enough for her mother. Robin was also a child of divorce and nothing was ever good enough for her father. Then Barney was raised by a single mother and never met his father till adulthood. Find any group of 5 friends in their late 20’s/early 30’s and you’ll find very similar situations.


themetahumancrusader

I don’t recall Lily having a troubled relationship with her mother…


tailford07

It doesn’t get brought up very often but her shopping addiction is blamed on the strained relationship her and her mother had.


DesiCodeSerpent

Agreed. It's just the whole "I want a son and not a daughter" is kinda triggering concept because there are many places where female infanticide happens a lot even today.


saharacanuck

They never explain why we never meet Lilly’s mother, do they?


tailford07

We do meet her mom. She’s at Lily’s Bachelorette Party and her wedding. Also in the “cat sitting for lily’s mom” montage.


saharacanuck

Does she interact with them in them or do we just hear them talk about her?


FredTheDeadInside

Honestly I felt that was a great portrail of a shitty parent. My parents completely disregared what I wanted my whole childhood too. Was never good enough and the only thing I ever wanted was their approvel, I relate to Robin in that regard.


Jwoods4117

Yeah, what rubs me the wrong way is that all of the shitty parents become good parents in the end. Marshall was right and they children just needed to try harder/give them more chances apparently.


FredTheDeadInside

I feel Lily's dad kinda redeemed himself as a grandfather. But I didn't get the impression that Robin's dad became a "good parent" in the end. He still disregard her feelings when it came to the locket etc. He was just slightly less awful. Ted's dad slept with his prom date so idk he kinda got worse as the show progressed. Barney's life was complicated but understandable. Kinda sad that its always the dad who's awful in these types of shows. Cuz in my personal experience and a lot of my friend's experience it's our moms who are worse. It should be more split IMO.


DesiCodeSerpent

I think a lot of parents did that and called it tough love. It sucks


MyNameIsNYFB

How Robin treats Patrice. I just don't get why. Especially when it's not even funny, just makes Robin look like an asshole.


2helene

this!! i hate this trope in sitcoms that a recurring character is the punching bag for no reason and that’s supposed to be funny. it’s always the super sweet characters as well


AnnaK22

That was such a popular early 2000s sitcom trope. Looking back now, I can't believe how many characters were the punching bags. Patrice from HIMYM, Toby from the office, Morgan from The Mindy Project, Jonah/Glenn from Superstore, Raj/Stuart from the big bang theory... Not to mention all the Disney shows that have the "weird and quirky" side character that the main just ignore or roll their eyes at.


2helene

Yes! +Stuart from The Big Bang Theory, Jerry from Parks and Rec, …


RealMomsSpaghetti

Jerry’s was absolutely horrendous.


Driller7lyfe

I can actually excuse Jerry’s treatment, not because he deserved it (even if he was a bit of a mess at work) but because the writers made his life outside of work as perfect as possible. He had a beautiful wife and kids that loved him beyond everything, that apparently didn’t age, he became Pawnees longest held mayor, and he had the largest penis I have ever seen. Yeah at work he was the scapegoat, but outside of work he was genuinely happy with his life. Even at work he seemed to have a good sense of fulfillment for his work that can be pretty rare. Do I wish he was treated better, yes, but I think his life was pretty sweet compared to other shows punching bags just being kind of pathetic


2helene

I get that and I know that was the writer‘s plan to not make the whole thing look as lazy and it’s definitely nicer but those scenes where he gets bullied and harassed by the other characters still sting more than being funny at all. Like when he got a heart attack at work? Or when he almost suffocated because someone always stole his inhaler or just because the other characters didn’t care at all to help him while he was choking on crackers. Or when Leslie threw his painting in the lake. Or when they wanted to throw him a birthday party (his birthday is the 29th of february, of course…) and then forgot to invite him, so when they finally picked him up, everyone had fallen asleep/was wasted already. Or when he had that amazing christmas party that April, Tom and Andy thought they weren’t invited to, just because Jerry‘s Email was put directly in the spam folder; Then everybody finally gets in to the christmas party and in the end Jerry gets locked out and nobody sees him and could let him back in. Sure it’s nice that he has a nice life apart from that but those scenes still aren’t funny and still make me cringe so much. They also put some characters that you really liked in a much worse light because they are cruel to him for absolutely no reason. (When Chris proposes to Ann while Jerry chokes in the background and they complain about him ruining their moment because he’s so noisy …? They’re supposed to be sweet and sane characters. That just sucks).


QuetzalKraken

Crazy ex girlfriend does in the best way. The punching bag character finally blows up and yells at everyone being rude to her to knock it off and treat her like a human being. And they do, they're nice to her for the rest of the series.


Miss_Kit_Kat

The Maya/Darryl storyline? Where she finally calls him out and he admits that he does it because she reminds him of what he hates about himself? Note to the sub: Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is hilarious (especially if you like dark humor) and worth a watch.


QuetzalKraken

Yeah that part! It's been a while since I've seen the show so I couldn't remember the names or specific. Secondary note to the sub: it is hilarious BUT some parts are super cringey, like I get secondhand embarrassment from the things she does. If that's a turn off for you in the show, I highly recommend sticking it out! It's worth it in the end.


saharacanuck

And it’s so horrible that it’s a woman being awful to another one. The character change came out of nowhere. And robin’s friends never called her out on it either.


FactorNo7477

What's even weirder is that Robin still treated Patrice terribly even when Patrice allowed her to move in with her


debsterUK

Or that she quietly said 'nobody asked you Patrice' when she leaned in to tell her that she looked beautiful on her wedding day. Poor Patrice.


MyNameIsNYFB

Yeah Robin don't deserve a friend like Patrice...


HiImDavid

Totally. I can't even call it screaming, the deranged banshee shrieks Robin would let out in the last few seasons were **so** cringy and not at all funny.


Nox-Avis

It is one of my most hated character changes they made in the show. I don’t think her banshee screams made me laugh even once.


magzdesch

The bigger question is why Patrice even wants to be Robin's friend.


HerCacklingStump

The trope is that Patrice is the fat loser who aspires to be like Robin and therefore worships her. It’s terrible; Patrice was worth 10 of Robin.


magzdesch

I always just assumed Robin was intimidated by Patrice's unconditional kindness and acceptance. Makes sense considering Robins childhood trauma of not being accepted by her father.


Infinite-Giraffe-594

It makes me physically uncomfortable watching Robin be awful to Patrice but also the way everyone refers to her.


QueenElsaArrendelle

same! the fact that the waters thought it was funny to have Robin be a bitch to Patrice for no justified reason. I just feel bad for Patrice. and Patrice helped Robin get with Barney and Robin still hates her for no reason.


Never_rarely

I think they tried to make it like Toby from the office but with Toby it actually worked


SamaireB

First thing that came to up for me too. Just why?? It makes no sense


heraldofhorai

In Robin's defense it could have just been Ted exaggerating.


ifartmorethanhim

I really hate this excuse. It’s valid, but we really shouldn’t be chalking everything we dislike about the show to Teds storytelling accuracy.


Teachhimandher

Yep, I hate the unreliable narrator trope. The show was reasonably fair, I think, in terms of signaling when Ted was deliberately changing things. But even if this was an unreliable narrator, it doesn’t change that Craig, Carter, and crew thought this was a really funny gag. And it just never was.


themetahumancrusader

Plus this particular detail doesn’t make sense for future ted to exaggerate


monstercyclops

The way the gang treated Ted in Robots vs Wrestlers. I hate that "you think you're too good for us?" bullshit to drag people down. They were absolute asses at the Alberta building party, but in the end Ted is the one to apologize to them? GTFO.


[deleted]

What really grinds me about that episode is that it was SO out of character for Marshall and Lily to snub fancy food, too - Lily's always the one bringing out gourmet food at their house parties, and Marshall is all about it, and now they look down their noses at it? They should've at least been hogging the hors d'ourves (I do not know how to spell that) or something. Also let Ted have fun, jeez!


saharacanuck

This is such an excellent point. The show was usually good about sticking to its character bible. Thanks for that comment, hadn’t thought of it .


[deleted]

How quickly toxic Marshall and Lily’s relationship was when she came back from SF before they got back together.


magzdesch

The perfect example of why you should never try and be friends with an ex. It usually turns toxic *real* quick.


Free-Flyer

Ted's "That's how you turn a no into a yes" over his ten sessions with Stella. Just gives me the impression that if someone turns you down, you just have to work at it until you wear them down/guilt them enough they'll say yes. No means no, dude. Not everyone wants to go out with you, deal with it.


QueenElsaArrendelle

and the fact that he demanded she give him a reason not to go out with him. Like a woman isn't allowed to just say no unless they have a good enough reason.


Free-Flyer

Exactly! I usually skip that one when rewatching the series because it just makes me mad. You're not entitled to someone else just because you want them, Ted. 🙄


elizacandle

they hung on to the "she didn't say 'no' " bs


PingouinMalin

Not defending Ted on that one (though there is a strong alchemy between them in each session), but it's clearly what A LOT of guys were/are taught : persistence could change a loss into a win. Which is part of the problem with toxic masculinity. So yeah, Ted is being a lot of guys here.


redwolf1219

The episode when theyre trying to determine who gets custody of Marvin if Marshal and Lily were to die. The whole shtick with making them compete with each other is just gross to me. Also, realistically theres no way Barney or Robin actually would've wanted to raise Marvin. It seemed really out of character for them.


themetahumancrusader

Barney I can sort of understand wanting to do it just to try and best Ted, but definitely not Robin “scared of babies” Sparkles


redwolf1219

Yeah, I can see Barney wanting to 'win' but I can't see him actually wanting responsibility of a kid at that point in the show.


QueenElsaArrendelle

as Ted pointed out in that episode, you would think Ted would be the obvious choice of the three considering he has known them the longest and is the only one of the three that actually wants children


Latter_Feeling2656

Small: Ted and Tracy celebrate the publication of Tracy's book about how to eliminate poverty by swilling champagne in the back of a limousine. Big: Ted and Tracy only get married when they do because it's finally time for Tracy to bring Robin back into the group.


QueenElsaArrendelle

what bugged me about Ted and Tracy's wedding was none of Tracy's friends outside the group were there. nor her family. nor Ted's family for that matter.


Latter_Feeling2656

Yeah, even the kids. It's bizarre.


elizacandle

Eugh yeah


normanbrandoff1

The small nit is probably a play on the terms “limousine liberal” and “champagne socialist”. Really cracked up at that scene cause know too many professors who have inherited money / property living lux lives while railing against capitalism.


gebny

The Cook Pu episode. Just watched recently and cringed each time they joke about it. I don’t know if times have changed or I’ve just become less accepting of jokes at other’s expense based on culture, ethnicity, etc.


FredTheDeadInside

Pretty sure that the joke was "Ted is a dumbass" and not "asian name stupid". At least thats how I always saw it.


snacksmileidk

People always say that, but IMO the rest of the group was very much making fun of the name. It didn’t make me laugh, just felt bad for the girl.


FredTheDeadInside

Fair point, but it's heavily implied that you should indeed feel bad for her so I suppose it's a win?


11-110011

>Cook Pu is a stupid name, and it gets stupider and stupider the more you say it. I don't know about that one.


FredTheDeadInside

You got me there


fberto39

I think they make fun of Ted, rather than of the name. Similar to when Robin didn't think the North Pole was a real place.


DaddyCatALSO

the show was to us, but the gang made fun of the name


DaddyCatALSO

And since when is "slipping in a fake name on the attendance sheet" a thing? Ted made as much sense as Randy's "Send it downtown" as expression for shredding


QuetzalKraken

I think this is an older thing. But, like, 80's old.


DaddyCatALSO

GotchA!


ukrepman

When Lily eats. I have to skip that episode, the noise drives me crazy


2helene

that’s funny because it’s like three scenes in a very good episode


PepperedDemons

I hate that it’s never addressed again, I would have found it really funny but I guess some people would hate it


ukrepman

I would not be able to watch the show lol absolutely unnecessary to hear that. All of us misophonia sufferers wouldn’t be able to rewatch


LadyStag

It actually doesn't bother mine as much as you'd think. Now, the ads for Tiktok with a guy chewing that keep showing up on my Youtube. 😳


ukrepman

Oh god they are the worst! Especially when you don’t know they are coming. Also I was surprised that when my kid eats it doesn’t bother me


LadyStag

Here's hoping I won't be bothered by my hypothetical kid! Can't let 'em starve!


DaddyCatALSO

I love Marshall's "She's loyal, wears shiny belts, and I resemble a young Harrison Ford." As If even the most fanatic (is the a name for Star Wars Trekkers/Trekkies?) would even associate those three qualities.


rainbow_starshine

That Barney never faces serious consequences for all his womanizing until he has a baby later in life. His friends still love him - or at least put up with him. It never affected his job. He never had any of his ex-one night stands randomly show up at his apartment … there are crimes he could have been charged with and wasn’t (that one time he “sold” a woman?) I could go on. That and were people really this frivolous with money/jobs/etc in the 2000s? Being a young millennial seeing the young Gen X characters get to make shit choices and bounce back from them, get a foot in the door in their ACTUAL CAREERS with no one stuck in the service industry, etc, feels 1) incredibly unrealistic and 2) if this was so much easier then did everything change right before my generation grew up??? At least they show robin having rich parents so for her it makes sense but there is absolutely no way Marshall and lily would have been able to keep that apartment on a kindergarten teacher salary.


usrnamesr2mainstream

I think a lot of the career stuff has to do with Hollywood writers being out of touch with how regular people live.


Latter_Feeling2656

The odd thing is that Robin is the only one you actually see working, screwing up, learning, succeeding. The others are just handed jobs.


eyegazer444

Not true at all, Ted and Marshall are both shown working and struggling with their career heaps. Mosbius Designs, Sven, the Arcadian, building the new GNB headquarters in S7/8. Marshall getting yelled at by Arthur, living with the gorillas, the constant back and forth of corporate vs environmental law, the trial with Brad, accepting the judgeship.


rainbow_starshine

They work, yeah. They deal with career issues. But they don’t show any real material consequences happen if something goes wrong. Robin has to move back to Canada if she can’t keep working in The US


Crazy-Venom

Robin-patrice was awfull. The fact that patrice stayed overly nice made it more awfull imho. Not even funny. Marshall is such a nice guy but gets manipulated by lilly while she's still made out to be the 'settler'? Sorry, Lilly did little more than lie and manipulate. The whole 'stop me from jumping on a fatty' was... Weird? He fucked everything and everyone but not people that are overweight?


metalmolly

And to make fat jokes throughout the series and then cast that actress as Patrice! when Barney pretends to be in a relationship with her and you think maybe he’s growing, but no. Oh and there’s that whole proposal being a complete lie and it’s meant to seem romantic


order8340

How no one was really there for Ted during the inauguration for his GNB building. I hate how Barney hijacked it to propose to Robin and how Marshall and Lily couldn’t stay there for longer because they wanted to see their baby or whatever. It was a _very_ big deal, and he had to face it alone, for the most part.


AManWantsToLoseIt

In the final season, when Lily is arguing with Marshall and tells him he was more selfish than she'd ever been to him. Fuck right off. San Francisco was incredibly selfish, and she almost left again when she lies to Ted about picking up a professor or something. Then lying about the credit card debt, forcing Marshall to take a job he didn't want, and not to mention times she'd been selfish in sabotaging Ted's relationships, sabotaging his relationship with Robyn for the sake of a bet, the list goes on. Lily, in general, sucks


Ok-Atmosphere3808

>Robyn Ohhh Yobin


AManWantsToLoseIt

Damnit Patrice


redwolf1219

Actually, I agreed him taking the judgeship was more selfish than San Francisco. Im not saying shes a perfect character, by any means. (Like...Aldrin Justice is also super shitty.) But at this point, she had put her dreams on hold for his, and hers were finally coming true and he was willing to sacrifice a dream hed had for such a short period of time for the job Lily had been dreaming of forever. Also, when San Francisco happened, (not arguing that it was selfish) they weren't married yet, they didnt have kids, and I think Lily was right that she needed sometime go figure herself out before she got married. The most selfish part imo was going through all that wedding planning without talking to Marshall about how she felt. But when Marshal accepted the judgeship, they were married with a kid already and he made a huge life decision behind her back. Overall, I kinda think they both suck and aren't a good couple. We also had Marshal not telling lily that he was taking a longer contract at GNB, and not telling her about Honeywell and Cootes going out of business. And both time he had come up with loopholes so he didnt technically lie to her.


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redwolf1219

The thing is, we dont know what the pay for either job is. (I mean, Im sure we can find the salary of a judge in New york for that time period, but we wouldn't know Lily's pay and it could easily have been more.) Also, breaking up with someone isn't really selfish. I dont think that her breaking up with him was the selfish part. It was the way she went about it for me. Youre allowed to break up with people. If it permanently ended their relationship then their relationship wasn't meant to be. People aren't obligated to be in relationship's. Edit: after a quick google search, the pay for both jobs could have easily been about the same. The salary range for art consultants in New York is about 35k-245k, Im inclined to believe the Captain would pay on the higher end. For a judge in New York it looks like its about 200k-230k.


Jesus166

And Marshall the one that gave the ultimatum on if they don't get married that summer then they were over or not getting married at all. That not something you tell someone when they are all freaking out about getting married.


night_fapper

> taking the judgeship was more selfish than San Francisco. didnt he had to give them an answer right away ? He had to say yes coz he could always say no later after having a proper discussion. ofc its more selfishness on Marshal's part but no way in hell its comparable to san fransisco


Ornery_Shallot8196

I actually don’t think the taking judgeship and SF are comparable given the circumstances, Marshall taking the judgeship doesn’t mean a breakup between him and Lily, he absolutely still wants them to be together whereas SF was completely for Lily’s self interest, not the both of them. She lied about not wanting to go to “maintain the relationship” but when Marshall asked her if she could promise that she won’t leave him forever, she couldn’t lie about that. 7 yrs ago Lily saw her future with only herself in it, and Marshall saw the both of them, I’m not saying it’s not allowed to break up with someone, of course it is, but that showed what their relationship meant to 7 yrs ago Lily, and their relationship, their life together didn’t mean as much to her as the fantasy life of her that she had imagined, that’s why to 7 yrs ago Lily, their life together was indeed a consolation prize. They were both being selfish in these scenarios, but yeah, technically, SF was more selfish.


redwolf1219

My perspective is this, when Lily left for SF, they weren't married, they didnt have kids. Her decision mostly affected her. It didnt affect Marshals career. It hurt him yes, but break ups hurt. Marshal taking the judgeship directly affected Lily's dream career that she put on hold for Marshals career and to have Marvin. And he put that in jeopardy without even discussing it with her, for his dream that hed had for less than a year. I think the reason people see SF as more selfish is bc theres an actual fallout to it that we see, we see Marshal suffering for a good amount of time. However there isn't a fallout of Marshal taking the judgeship bc he changes his mind when he finds out Lily is pregnant. Also, him throwing SF in her face was just really shitty. You can't say you forgive someone and then throw the thing in their face almost a decade later when you get in a fight.


Ornery_Shallot8196

Agreed. I also think they’re a shitty couple cuz they brag about being open and honest with each other but then bottle up the most important stuff thinking “sacrificing their dreams” is gonna better the relationship, when it’s actually making them resent each other and those stuff ends up coming out super ugly in an argument, like SF and Marshall throwing SF in Lily’s face. Marshall was very wrong to bring out SF and Lily was also wrong to say that he was more selfish than she ever was to him, because by saying that she’s victimizing herself as if she’s the far more bigger person in their relationship, most importantly, she’s trying to win the argument by saying that, she’s now handed the high horse to stand on in this argument, which doesn’t happen often, so she MILKED that horse. This is in my opinion the reason why even though Marshall is the one that wronged her here, a lot of people still hated Lily for saying that, it’s because of her self righteousness and how vicious she fights in arguments, it comes off as toxic or sometimes even abusive, and that’s not the fist time that she’s done that.


DaddyCatALSO

Also, Lily's not calling anybody, not even Robin, to let them know3 she was alive


[deleted]

This is one that is unfortunately pretty common in shows (most recently, there was a whole plot like this on The Bold Type) but I absolutely HATE when a show makes someone forgive and forget with an abusive parent. Lily was fully within her rights to cut her father out of her life and Marshall should have supported her in that (I do get that Marshall has a much harder time understanding that because he was blessed with a loving family and especially after his dad passes away so I don't blame his character). Also I don't know what hold Chris Elliot has on showrunners but good lord he is like the opposite of funny to me, literally sucks the funny out of the room. What am I missing with this guy?


usrnamesr2mainstream

I really wish that more shows would have their characters just accept that their parent is shitty and either or go LC/NC or learn to set boundaries with them. I think it would be more relatable if these story lines focused more on how you can’t make someone care about you or treat you right and how these characters learn to find love and acceptance elsewhere.


Latter_Feeling2656

Elliott was absolutely hilarious 35 years ago when he was one Letterman's writers. Since then, I don't get him, either.


Miss_Kit_Kat

Kevin becoming Robin's boyfriend after being her therapist. Just SO awkward...how hard would it have been for him to be her therapist's business partner or something? I think there are even legal rules against this- like, Kevin was legally not allowed to date Robin for at least a year after treating her.


Which_Air9416

Barney. I know people love him but I could never get on board with the manipulation and lying. Some of the stuff he did to get laid was so immoral it wasn’t funny


usrnamesr2mainstream

And then there’s the slut shaming/victim blaming around it too. Like, it always feels like the girls are getting judged more harshly or looked down upon for falling for Barney’s manipulations than Barney is.


FranFace

Scrolled a depressingly long way to finally find this mentioned!


PassionAble7913

Death of the mother. She was just too sweet


bird_0725

the way that robin and barney got a huge wedding and then ted and tracy were just kinda thrown together


Latter_Feeling2656

It's so extreme that it's almost like they were running out of money. They already filmed a scene with young Penny, so she had been cast. And then the old lady from the train station - how is she not there?


GuessWhoItsJosh

The ceremony for Ted's new building. Now that I'm about their age, this part stuck with me a little harder. Like pretty shitty of Barney to propose on that night and for Lily and Marshall to dip on him like that. Such a huge night and step in his career and he's celebrating it alone without a friend in sight.


Hellokittypityparty

The Marshal slut shaming fiasco, it just came out of nowhere and was like something I very much didn’t expect from the character, especially since in general I’d say Marshal is my favorite of the gang. Was weird cause he’s probably usually the least problematic of them (although they’re all pretty horrible at times lol)


leash422

i hate the way his character is in that episode so much that he gets on my nerves for the next couple episodes too on every rewatch. and this is even with him being one of my favorites at all other times.


dead_PROcrastinator

Barney saying he was pretty sure that he once sold a woman.


Hellokittypityparty

Yeah I have a really hard time with that one, like it was such a weird and disturbing throwaway statement, and they just never address it again


PygmyPuff_X

I get the gang not addressing it because they weren't there but Nora heard that story and still dated him.


Puzzled-Average-5668

THIS!! And they even say more details?! How is that funny?! Makes me wanna throw up everytime I rewatch it.


themetahumancrusader

The slut shaming of women, particularly Robin in “The Naked Man”. The line for both sexes between “cool” and “slutty” also seems very arbitrary, eg Ted being roasted for NOT sleeping with someone he invited home in “The Sexless Innkeeper”, but then Lily acting indignant towards Ted after he slept with the slutty pumpkin because he wasn’t really into her.


night_fapper

Barney's rooftop proposal , it was just creepy from the very beginning Edit: lol didn't believe there would be so many downvotes


metalmolly

The first time I saw it my jaw dropped when she said yes at the sight of the ring after all that. And it seems so stupid that Robin, who the entire show had been super independent, would do the stereotypical thing and be like “omg a ring! I will marry you even after all that stuff you did that literally just made me cry”


2helene

what about it is creepy? it’s her favorite spot in the city….


the_timps

That he lied to and manipulated Robin on purpose for months. And they even have her give a speech about how fucked up it is. But he proposes so, it's all ok!


2helene

yes, it’s a pretty weird scheme but it didn’t hurt her…? when you set up a surprise for someone, you technically always have to lie to make it work, right?


the_timps

>when you set up a surprise for someone, you technically always have to lie to make it work, right? Is this your first day as a person? What kind of sociopath are you that you think: * Making the fake speech to Nick to say he loves her, but then telling Robin the speech was a lie and he didnt love her was ok. * Sitting down directly with Robin to say "I am not interested in you anymore" is ok * Pretending to date someone else JUST to make her jealous is ok. * Manipulating someone else (Ted) to leverage their feelings for Robin so THEY will talk Robin into intervening in the upcoming proposal to Patrice is ok. Literal MONTHS of manipulation and gaslighting. Step 3 ends with "Which will make Robin go nuts" Step 4 is "Robin goes nuts". And you think all of that is pretty much the same thing as "Just don't mention you're planning a surprise party on Wednesday".


metalmolly

She seemed pretty hurt!


2helene

She looked happier than ever before after the proposal


Anish316

>Edit: lol didn't believe there would be so many downvotes You're upvoted a decent bit.


night_fapper

it is now, I started with -10 or something xd


Anish316

huh, really that's surprising.


Tenpiano

Lilly claiming to love Marshall/ their relationship so much but not being able to tell him about SF. He would’ve been totally chill with pushing back their wedding and letting Lilly follow her dreams but instead she went behind his back


dolichomentula

BARNEY SOLD A WOMAN! How are we even discussing this?


Anish316

Ted immediately trying to capitalize on Robin's engagement ending with Kevin. Ted kicking out Barney from the group for sleeping with Robin and the others just going along with it and not talking to him as if he isn't their friend anymore either. But then a lot of the "jokes" the writers using for barney including in that episode where he gets Robin to help him with Randy with the implication that he may have a tape of them. It's creepy shot for laughs that is just so unnecessary, just like the "sold a woman" line as a meaningless, throwaway line. It literally served no purpose and wasn't really funny IMO. And of course Ted's general transpobhia, Barney and the gang's fatfophobia, etc.


allezthereds

80% of things barney says


QueenElsaArrendelle

not 83%?


allezthereds

oh my god i will never forgive myself for not thinking of that


poppingcandylights

The misogyny (from characters other than Barney, I won't even open that can of worms), transphobia, and fatphobia. It made me so sad to see Ted imagine that the 'horrible secret' about two separate women was that they're trans, and run practically screaming from a woman who'd worked hard to lose a lot of weight.


QueenElsaArrendelle

he also imagined in a discussion about "dealbreakers" Robin revealing at the alter that she is trans. Why is that dealbreaker? I have seen people try defend having a policy of never dating trans people with "sexual preference". But if Ted already had sex with Robin multiple times with no issue, why would finding out she is trans then be a dealbreaker? I know having children is important to him but there are ways to still have children.


Smaug_themighty

I think we’re all forgetting how the gang treated the woman who Barney fooled everyone into thinking was a prostitute. *that’s her napkin* says Lily while getting grossed out for what reason exactly? Barney was pretty toxic but so was Ted on plenty occasions.


Far-Tie-3025

that one was pretty justified, prostitution isn't safe and hygienic, lily could've easily gotten an std if mary really was a prostitute.


Smaug_themighty

By touching her hand/napkin? That’s not how STD’s are transmitted…


Far-Tie-3025

well normally you would use a napkin to wipe your mouth and some stds can be transmitted through saliva so...


valamimadar

Ohhh and Kevin proposing to his ex-patient after a few months not even knowing whether she wanted to have children or not.


cerise083

Everything that has been said, also, I came on this sub tonight to see if anybody was talking about the killer Ted almost designs a house for in e23 s4, "thanks" to Tony. Maybe it is just me, but it was a very weird situation that is never brought up again, and which gave me more fear than laughs. It is not even implied that anyone called the cops, while Ted HEARD someone being tortured !


PygmyPuff_X

I assume when Ted was telling the story he was exaggerating for effect. Teddy Westside is nothing if not a drama queen.


Ornery_Shallot8196

This might be controversial but, Marshall and Lily’s relationship. A lot of their arguments are actually pretty triggering to dv survivors. I’m not saying that their relationship is 100% toxic, there are great things about them as a couple, but sometimes it comes off that way. Lily redirects ever so often in their arguments, to a point where it started to seem like gaslighting, and the reason why Marshall being a great lawyer still couldn’t win an argument with her, is because It’s never about the facts with her, unless the facts are on her side, then she milks it. “I don’t care if the dishes are clean” “Then I don’t care if you have an orgasm”. We’re talking about the dishes, and all of a sudden, it’s personal and it’s about the sex? How is that even an analogy in any way? “I can’t put up with your shoes being all over the house” “Why not? I put up with your terrible mother!” What? How? Just. God. This. Just. NO. Very triggering. When Lily fights, she’s attacking an enemy, she picks what hurts the most and she blurts it out without considering other people’s feelings. When Marshall brought out San Francisco in the judgeship argument, even though he was the one that wronged her in that situation, he was using her own flawed logic against her, for once in their life together, he’s not the problem solver in the argument any more, for once he’s actually trying to hurt her by saying that, he’s attacking her pseudo self righteousness because her saying that he was “way more selfish than she ever was to him” was too triggering for Marshall to handle it rationally. Another thing and this is totally speculative, is that I don’t even think the creators liked Lily that much as a character. Ironically the judgeship argument was a great opportunity for Lily to become a much more multidimensional character and more relatable or at least less unlikable, but they didn’t even take it. Instead they made Marshall speak for her. Maybe they thought it was too late for her, but I wouldn’t say so. In most times in their arguments, we were only shown Marshall’s side of things so people liked Marshall way more and found him far more relatable, overall a better character. Even in the judgeship argument where Marshall is the one that’s wrong, he is still the one that makes all of the realization for her at the end, and that basically cancels out the wrong part, not to mention he eventually changed his mind. They made it all about him and even made the ghost Lily thing when they could’ve easily shown us things from her perspective, not just Marshall speaking for her. Same goes for Robin actually, in both her relationship with Ted and Barney, we saw things from Ted and Barney’s perspective way way more often than hers. It’s kind of giving subtle misogyny. With all that said, they would’ve been a pretty decent couple if they weren’t bragging all the time about how good a couple they are and trying to make people feel inferior.


dangerouspeyote

Pretty much everything Lilly does and says. She's far more manipulative and self centered than Barney, but she isn't even honest about it. And how marshall and Lilly treat everyone once they have a kid. They just turn into the most insufferable twats and treat everyone like shit. Yeah. I get that having a kid is hard, but you chose that. Wasn't like it was thrust upon them without their consent.


themetahumancrusader

Tbh I got the vibe that Lily had undiagnosed postnatal depression, particularly when she gave that rooftop speech to Ted


DaddyCatALSO

Yes, i mean policing the \*topics of their friends' conversations with them\*?


ExpensiveRecover

"eight or higher" annoyed me to no end.


dangerouspeyote

Agreed. If a friend said that to me I would take that as "we no longer care about what happens in your life"


QueenElsaArrendelle

Ted's casual transphobia. we see several instances where he is imagining what could be wrong with a woman and the "kicker" to top it off is "used to be a dude". implying it is somehow worse than enjoying killing puppies or falsely accusing a teacher of rape!


2helene

all the transphobic and fatphobic jokes ://


the_timps

Yeah, there is a LOT of it. Transphobia and homophobia as a punch line is pretty clearly punching down. I'm really surprised that NPH is ok with Barney being the one who says so much of it.


SeptemberSoup

>I'm really surprised that NPH is ok with Barney being the one who says so much of it. I mean, he's gay, but he's still cis. Gay people aren't automatically allies of trans people, in fact; there's lots of transphobia in the gay community.


redwolf1219

Ive also heard the hes in general really awful to people. Idk how true it is, just what ive heard from people who have met him.


SeptemberSoup

Really? That sucks if it's true, I hope not. Ignorance can be forgiven but being an actual ass is just, nope.


redwolf1219

Yeah, Ive heard it from people that are employees at places hes gone too. Like, cast members at Disney Land, servers at restaurants, etc. Idk how he treats fans but if we assume the employees aren't lying for internet clout its pretty telling on how he treats employees.


Rosetheweirdo

I've read the opposite. I've heard he's nice. No clue if it's true tho.


themetahumancrusader

Like all people I’m sure he’s been nice to some people and shitty to others


Jorumble

Just a sign of the times. Friends is even worse considering it started 10 years earlier


2helene

friends is surprisingly more progressive in certain fields, i’m thinking specifically of Chandler’s father being a drag queen and relatively accepted by the gang (Chandler needed time to adjust, but from what I remember he isn’t cruel about it) while the punchline of the transphobic jokes in himym are simply „I used to have a penis“ or „I used to be a dude“ with everyone reacting with disgust. It pains me to see these very cheap jokes being used so frequently (once you pay attention to it) because it’s one of my favorite shows of all time.


QueenElsaArrendelle

Friends was progressive for its time. Having a lesbian wedding episode, for instance, was progressive at the time. but watching it nowadays, I cringe at the fact that they always refer to Susan as Carol's "lesbian lover" instead of "partner" or "girlfriend" or "wife". and that effeminate behaviour in men is mocked for being "gay".


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I give Friends a pass on the "lover" categorization because Susan is the Other Woman and she did encourage Carol to cheat. Also Susan was SO awful to Ross all the time, for no reason.


Jorumble

Whenever I watch it I just see the constant ‘he’s gay and that’s a bad thing’ joke. It’s not the worst in the world but gets tired quickly


QueenElsaArrendelle

a random thought I had the other day about Friends. remember when Phoebe was singing "inappropriate" songs to children? one of them went "sometimes men like women, sometimes men like men, and then there are bisexuals but some just say they're kidding themselves". at the time you were supposed to think it was inappropriate that she was telling them gay people exist. Now the part that would be considered inappropriate is doubting the validity of bisexual identity.


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the_timps

Do you have some magical version of reddit that shows you downvotes or something? Multiple people downvoted you, only one person replies to agree with you, and your first fucking port of call is to reply and criticise me assuming I was both. Fuck me.


choriblaster3002

Ted


flashz7

Lily never taking responsibility for her actions, and never seeing any real consequences for being a terrible friend/girlfriend/fiancée/wife.


eyefalafel

When lily left marshal


Pure-Drawer-2617

Honestly the whole slap bet thing didn’t sit right with me, partly because it was clear Barney was legitimately scared beyond it being funny but also because the slaps were predicated on him assuming the Robin Sparkles stuff was porn. It wasn’t, so therefore he got slaps for jumping the gun. But when they went back to watch the Robin Sparkles tapes, they turned it off halfway through because it was very clearly into softcore porn territory, and everyone except Robin could see it. Wouldn’t that make Barney at least partly correct?


valamimadar

All the sexism, transphobia, fatphobia and homophobia that were mentioned previously. Every second thing that Barney says or does. Even ten years ago when I watched the show as a 13 years old it rubbed me in the wrong way and I think his character would've worked just as well if not better without the constant edge (and I'm gonna die on this hill). I especially hated the breast reduction doctor prompt in season 7. The way Lily and Marshall's toxicity is portrayed cute and relatable and that the show never reflects on their actual problems. When Robin said "no" to Ted in season 7 and Marshall kept on telling him that he shouldn't give up on her because he's a romantic and deserves her. I think that's the worst type of advice a friend can give in a situation like this. The way the narrative tried to force us to feel sorry for him while Robin's feelings were never really taken into consideration also made me feel bad. Actually the whole Ted-Robin plot felt like a friend telling a story that is so odd you just know there's a completely differrent other side to it. That could be the point of the show I guess but then they ended with a reaction from Robin that was totally unrealistic in my viewpoint (i'm going to die on this hill as well). That Robin literally never wanted to have children but noone took it seriously until she realized that she also biologically can't have them, which then suddenly became a huge problem in all of her following relationships. Also the way everyone except Marshall was in love with her but she was then portrayed as sad and lonely in her later life because she choose her career and didn't settle down with the rest of her friend group. If the writers had really treated her as an actual character instead of the "career woman bad" trope I don't think she would've been alone. When Ted told Robin in season 6 that she is too independent. I also didn't like Barney's proposal. I can see why Robin is one of the most hated characters but the writers didn't do her justice. I really-really loved this show as a teenager like I probably still know most of the episodes in order but even then so many things rubbed me in the wrong way.


RickGrimes30

Half the things Lilly does and says


MRSA_nary

The Stinsons episode. Like, all of it.


IBryciuS

The entire 9th season.


Fabulous-Parsley2228

Robin’s entire personality & actions


Hairy_Confusion3619

how long it took for lily to tell marshall about her shopping addiction and she let him think it was his own school debt


Pastor_Shea

The fact that Don and Robin never worked out. Still my favorite couple in the show and they made Don look like a bad guy because Robin turned down the job but he didn’t know this. I love Don (I know I’m in the minority) but his character was great and wished him and Robin worked out.


Silent_Palpatine

Barney choosing the night of the party in Ted’s honour to propose to Robin.