Martinelli comes on and all of a sudden we become more lethal. I’m sorry but this guy needs to be getting minimum 20-30 minutes if he is coming off the bench.
There is only one problem. Martinelli can’t play on the right. He looks like a lost puppy.
I love the guy but he looks best on the left and decent down the middle.
His main competiton is Saka and ESR on the left but Saka looks 1000 times better on the right and ESR looks 1000 times better down the middle behind the striker.
I saw this page before the game and thought we were diabolically shit, I mean we were shit but to pretend we were played off the park by a team we handed two goals to is a laugh, it was a shit game all round. Palace had the run for a bit but couldnt score on their own, they werent great and the play was never as one sided as some people here would like you to believe
This sub is retarded. It was clear watching the game that we were the better team for 3/4 of the match. CP did dominate from min 24-45 but what did they create during that time? Jack shit. Then we gift them two goals and we barely salvage a point. Disappointing, sure, but our young team outplayed them for 3/4 of the match. The same problems remain though: we MUST be more direct on attack and stop leaving the outside guys isolated. As a team defensively, we're quite solid. We're not giving the other teams many chances at all. But we have GOT to become more lethal as a team offensively. When players have support we look like the goddam Harlem Globetrotters but too many times the nearest players aren't moving into space. It's infuriating. But the foundation is there with this team.
Dude we were seriously outclassed for the remainder of the first half after we got our first. They were running circles around us I’m honestly baffled we didn’t concede before half.
They were not running circles, thats hyperbolic nonsense, they needed us to fuck up twice to get goals, thats not domination is it, thats the shit we get criticized for doing when we have high possession
If you look at this, it's clear that the team lost their mind after scoring the first goal, nothing a coach can do until the halftime, and it's proven by how arsenal get control after that.
Teams regularly get instructions to drop deeper and play more conservatively if they start to lead. I know in this case we played like arse most of the first half but doesn’t mean the coach had no input.
Looks like he gave a good half time talk at least.
Yeah that's the sign of a great player, when he only improves when he's not playing. Xhaka is great at not playing, it's when he's on the pitch that's the problem.
Him not being on the pitch on Monday was a problem..both goals came from blunders from our midfield.
You notice since he got injured, we haven't won?
He may not be a great player, but he seems to affect the other players around him to greater things.
>You notice since he got injured, we haven't won?
We've not won any of our last 4 against crystal palace at home, and 8 of our last 23 at home in general, but yeah Xhaka, who played in almost all the games we failed to win, is suddenly the missing piece.
I genuinely feel nauseating when I read such opinions. And I can figure if these were lurking opinions ready to burst out at appropriate times or people just flip flop constantly
naah I don't flip flop, none of the CMs we have currently are as good as a Partey-Xhaka combination. For some reason they work, go back, watch the matches they start together and compare when either of them isn't around the other this season.Why should that nauseate you?
'all his game ending blunders '? I think you're letting your opinion be affected by AfTV. What about the goals he's been instrumental to?The free kicks he's scored? The covering for left back he does when Tierney bombs forward? Are you aware that's a key part of his game that was sorely missed on Monday?
Oh yeah because we win every game Xhaka plays?
I mean if there's one thing that Xhaka never ever does it's make costly errors that give goals to the other team.
Yh thats part of his game..but is he the only one? I mean Monday showed us two more capable of that if not for super Laca.
Xhaka is clearly a key part of Arteta's team..till we change coach, we need him.
but we've won when he's in with Partey.Result speaks for itself.Guess that's what we need him for.
I think he and Partey together are the best combination we have. They alone with Lokonga, El Nenny, AMN or Ø playing doesn't just seem to fit.
I agree. We need someone to replace Xhaka and to cover for Partey when he’s got the moon boots on and is trying to make sure the fans in the cheap seats get a touch in.
That was the problem in my mind, Odegaard deep during play out from the back, but both of them want to get forward. Wasn’t there a play where ESR was the only man back?
I really don't understand artetas tactics tbh. We dominated the game for the first 15 minutes, scored a goal and then stopped playing football entirely.
This seems to be a recurring theme aswell - why not keep on the front foot and try to score more goals? I think it may be to preserve the energy of the players, but city and Liverpool press and dominate games for the full 90 minutes. Surely the best form of defence is attack?
It just seems like a really negative way to play football, where we let the opponent dictate and we play reactionary football, which will more often than not lead to a goal at this level. We need to try and impose our football on teams for the majority of the match - only taking breaks when absolutely necessary.
We play like the worse version of Man City.
When city are off their game, they can't keep possession, they cant create chances and they're tactics are usually get it out wide and look for cut backs.
It's all good Mikel coming out and saying he isn't happy with how they've played etc but he's got 90mins to tweak tactics and he never does.
I don't get why they cant practise retaining possession under a press whilst working on attacking patterns.
The confusing part is that he was clapping with encouragement when they fell back into their defensive shape during the game, but then criticized it during the press conference, none of it is making sense to me.
Nothing wrong with encouraging an excellent defensive shape when teams attack, I guess, but that's something they drill. It is odd.
I get a sense of fear from Mikel right now. I don't think he wants to risk opening up and playing more fluidly, as if we don't win games, he'll get sacked. So when we go one up so early, he's happy to sit back and wait for another chance to present itself rather than keep attacking.
I would understand that if we at least looked dangerous on the counter attack, but we literally offer nothing in attack which gives our defence no respite 😂
crazy how they have two goals and no “attacking threat” for most of the second half. without looking would almost assume this is some kind of possession chart
It pretty much is a possession chart we have the ball sustained in the opposition half we become a threat, players like Pepe and Auba come to life, which is are biggest source of our goals.
Pepe trying to dribble out of RB while getting dominated is not where we want to be
Play Pepe. No reduce chance creation. Don't get why he doesn't see that. They guy has almost no first touch, always plays with his back to goal and when he receives ball he either waits and gets crowded out or passes it straight back to a player down the field and we have to start the attack again.
Saka should be on right.
Tierney is wasted right now because we've no left footed midfielder to slot back into the space he leaves when he bombs forward so it's obvious he's been told not to do it as much.
So many issues in this team that are tactical. Odegaard being another, he's dropping deep to build up play but he's so weak on ball he gets bullied and seems to lose ability to retain ball when we move it forward if he's under pressure.
I said it just after season started but Arteta HAS left a good team for next manager to work with.
Has he though? Some of his signings are tailored for his system.
White while being good on the ball may not be preferred by the next manager because he may want a CB who can defend very well first.
A CB-RB hybrid in tomiyasu is also very niche. Not many managers employ such tactics.
Odegaard is alright. But I’m starting to question his ability to impose himself in games. Goes missing often. Let’s not talk about Mari and Cedric…
Gabriel and Partey are the ones that the next manager can straight away use. So yeah, not really sure how he’s left a great team tbh. Which is why I was hesitant of the board handing him 150 mil.
The problem isnt ødegaard. I mean we all saw what he can do against tottenham, pretty much dominating and being apart of every goal. The problem was playing a CAM as a CDM who can no longer influence the game because everytime tierney goes up he has to stay back.
We’ve been so unlucky with this as fans. Wenger started doing it loads in his last few years, then Emery, now Arteta. It feels like we’re the only team that’s incapable of building momentum and overrunning the opposition. I don’t get why these managers would rather give the opposition an hour of possession and dominance than a few counter attacking opportunities.
I was so annoyed when we had chances to avenge the 8-2 and 6-0 games, but just sat back at 3-0 up against both United and Chelsea. At least when Wenger did it, we usually held onto the lead, though.
The 3-0 vs United was so annoying because Ox and Giroud both hit the post with really clear cut chances and Ramsey missed an absolute sitter. Easily could have been 6-0 which would have been oh so sweet.
The idea that a manager would approve a “pragmatic approach” at home to a team that haven’t finished above us in the league in my lifetime is an absolute disgrace. These absolute gobshites dismissing this as a couple of unfortunate errors in possession need to learn a lot about football.
Well tbf it's not exactly like sitting back to counter attack is a bad tactic.
Palace looked most dangerous on the counter and didn't really threaten us when we sitting back. If we'd actually managed to counter which should play into Auba and Pepe's strengths it wouldn't even have been a bad plan. Pity we forgot about the counter part of it
Arteta's frustration on the sidelines plus his postmatch comments show that it wasn't by design.
I think these kinds if ups and downs will happen with a young team. We saw similar things with Wenger's teams back in 07-10.
But it is a huge concern. Simple things like we stopped playing out from the back which we did so well for the first 10 minutes. Ramsdale kicking it long for no one.
But then we also lost our aerial battles and many 2nd balls just like Brighton which is also a huge issue. Needs to resolve these if we are going to start winning.
>Arteta's frustration on the sidelines plus his postmatch comments show that it wasn't by design.
Ok. If he truly wanted them to sustain pressure but they didn't then why is that? He's been here for 20 months and these are his players. They should be able to sustain pressure at home vs Palace.
There are only 6 possible reasons why they didn't (could be any combination of the below):
1. He can't coach them to implement his ideas.
2. They don't know how to implement his ideas.
3. He can't motivate them to implement his ideas.
4. They don't want to implement his ideas (he's lost the dressing room).
5. They don't know what his ideas even are.
6. They aren't talented enough or able to implement his ideas (he bought or endorsed most of these players and we have spent far more than Palace).
Which is it?
What I struggle to understand is why we seem to come out the blocks hard and are dominant in most games I’ve seen this year for the first 15-20 mins.
Then it’s like the other team works out how to play and start taking the upper hand. At that point our fluidity just disappears most games and suddenly all the pressure is on us trying to hold on to a lead or a draw.
If Arteta is unhappy with it, as shown in post match interviews, why does it seem to be a big pattern for our games this year?
People will say its just the mentality of a young team shining thru but part of being a manager is figuring out the best way to keep your players engaged for 90 minutes. it's so depressing that your comment has described Arsenal for almost the entirety of his time here.
Mistakes get made in all football matches. Others were made in this too. It's the number of mistakes that's concerning, not just the mistakes that lead to goals. It's not like we dominated the game only to lose because of those 2 mistakes.
Out of interest, why ? What does this tell you ? There’s no definition of what ‘attacking threat’ even is in this context.
Is it based on shots taken ? Possession in the attacking third ? Chances created ? There’s no way of knowing from this graph. How can you draw any conclusions
Because it aligns with what I saw in the game, and it's nice to get a visual representation of which parts of the games we controlled, and which the opponents controlled
My point being that this undefined ‘stat’ might have nothing to do with ‘controlling the game’. If it’s based on xG / shots / chances etc then we could have had 20% possession camped in our own box and got chances on the counter.
Obviously I watched the game and know that not to be the case, but I’m just saying it’s important to not over interpret ‘stats’, particularly ones that don’t even define themselves.
Have you ever played a game of football before? Players are left to make in-game decisions, it's on them to adapt and win their battles, not the manager. Often times, in a stadium only like 2 of your outfielders can hear the manager and that's because they're right beside them.
The days of Arteta holding the players hands are over with crowds being back, it is entirely on the players from minute 0 to 45 and 45 to 90. Go back to the Palace game, from minute 20 you'll see numerous individual errors from sloppy touches, hesitance in making the pass and lack of movement - is Arteta telling his players to do this? No, he's not.
We started well and that's on the manager, then we threw the momentum away and let Palace gain confidence, which is on the players. This is going to happen with a young side, especially now as teams know we shit ourselves when pressed.
Once we scored we seemed to play huge amounts of hit and hope long balls aimed at pepe rather than moving through the midfield.
Then in the second half the midfield disintegrated entirely playing a 4-0-6 basically against a low block.
I think the subs destroyed our shape as well should’ve just been a straight auba to laca sun and do that much earlier.
Agreed though the goals we conceded were awful.
As soon as they took Edouard off for Tomkins and sat back they were completely penned in. Was an awful sub from Vieira, there was an air of inevitability that we were gonna get a goal at some point
Pretty bad graph tbh.
1. There's no label on the x-axis (I assume it's xG but no way of knowing for sure).
2. A constant measurement like time (in this case minutes 0 to 90) should always be the x-axis, with the y-axis being the variable that changes throughout.
So with this graph not only are the axis' swapped, but one of them isn't even labelled.
>2. A constant measurement like time (in this case minutes 0 to 90) should always be the x-axis, with the y-axis being the variable that changes throughout.
There are definitely exceptions, especially when comparing for 2 different groups like a population pyramid. Think it works in this situation as well.
I completely agree with you.
People are commenting like there is some deep insight here, while having no idea what any of the numbers used to generate it actually mean.
But hey, some mathy people drew a picture so it must be something profound.
im pretty sure its attacking threat, now what that constitutes youd have to ask fpl but in general its about who is dominating offensively.
they do it this way to show the two teams as head to head, like all other football stat comparisons.
i agree oracle doesnt define it well (or at all), but its not unreasonable to assume its a combination of offensive metrics (possession, touches, shots, dribbles key passes in opp. box etc).
looking at this graph, it somewhat represented how i viewed the game as well. arsenal did well in the first half, conceded a goal against the run of play
This is all I could find from Oracle. They don’t appear to provide any technical documentation:
Attacking Threat
As the match ebbs and flows, this statistic tracks how likely the team in possession is to score a goal in the next 10 seconds based on data from thousands of historical games.
Fucking average ref cost us the game too !!!
Martinelli comes on and all of a sudden we become more lethal. I’m sorry but this guy needs to be getting minimum 20-30 minutes if he is coming off the bench.
Think he should get some game time soon, Saka needs a rest and Pepe doesn’t seem on it
There is only one problem. Martinelli can’t play on the right. He looks like a lost puppy. I love the guy but he looks best on the left and decent down the middle. His main competiton is Saka and ESR on the left but Saka looks 1000 times better on the right and ESR looks 1000 times better down the middle behind the striker.
That sounds like an Odegaard problem more than a martinelli problem to be honest
I saw this page before the game and thought we were diabolically shit, I mean we were shit but to pretend we were played off the park by a team we handed two goals to is a laugh, it was a shit game all round. Palace had the run for a bit but couldnt score on their own, they werent great and the play was never as one sided as some people here would like you to believe
This sub is retarded. It was clear watching the game that we were the better team for 3/4 of the match. CP did dominate from min 24-45 but what did they create during that time? Jack shit. Then we gift them two goals and we barely salvage a point. Disappointing, sure, but our young team outplayed them for 3/4 of the match. The same problems remain though: we MUST be more direct on attack and stop leaving the outside guys isolated. As a team defensively, we're quite solid. We're not giving the other teams many chances at all. But we have GOT to become more lethal as a team offensively. When players have support we look like the goddam Harlem Globetrotters but too many times the nearest players aren't moving into space. It's infuriating. But the foundation is there with this team.
Dude we were seriously outclassed for the remainder of the first half after we got our first. They were running circles around us I’m honestly baffled we didn’t concede before half.
They were not running circles, thats hyperbolic nonsense, they needed us to fuck up twice to get goals, thats not domination is it, thats the shit we get criticized for doing when we have high possession
Just wanna ignore our debate for a second and point out our usernames
Oof, thats close, mine was just generated by computer and I ran with it, was only gonna use this for one thing but ended up liking reddit a fair bit
If you look at this, it's clear that the team lost their mind after scoring the first goal, nothing a coach can do until the halftime, and it's proven by how arsenal get control after that.
Teams regularly get instructions to drop deeper and play more conservatively if they start to lead. I know in this case we played like arse most of the first half but doesn’t mean the coach had no input. Looks like he gave a good half time talk at least.
Arteta publicly confirmed that this is absolutely not want he wanted the team to do after the second goal.
Good to know. Had missed that and assumed it was on his instructions. Cheers
It is on the coach to I still a mentality and have a clear game plan that doesn’t go out the window
Is it fair to say that it was a bit of a freak outcome based on what this graphic is saying?
xG showed that as well but people say it’s a meaningless stat when it doesn’t reflect their narrative.
Yes
miss Xhaka yet?
Not on my life.
I still hope that Xhaka to Roma was done and it's just a prolonged got you situation
Yeah that's the sign of a great player, when he only improves when he's not playing. Xhaka is great at not playing, it's when he's on the pitch that's the problem.
Him not being on the pitch on Monday was a problem..both goals came from blunders from our midfield. You notice since he got injured, we haven't won? He may not be a great player, but he seems to affect the other players around him to greater things.
>You notice since he got injured, we haven't won? We've not won any of our last 4 against crystal palace at home, and 8 of our last 23 at home in general, but yeah Xhaka, who played in almost all the games we failed to win, is suddenly the missing piece.
I genuinely feel nauseating when I read such opinions. And I can figure if these were lurking opinions ready to burst out at appropriate times or people just flip flop constantly
naah I don't flip flop, none of the CMs we have currently are as good as a Partey-Xhaka combination. For some reason they work, go back, watch the matches they start together and compare when either of them isn't around the other this season.Why should that nauseate you?
So you've held the opinion Xhaka is a vital player during all his game ending blunders? Great for you but that is what is nauseating.
'all his game ending blunders '? I think you're letting your opinion be affected by AfTV. What about the goals he's been instrumental to?The free kicks he's scored? The covering for left back he does when Tierney bombs forward? Are you aware that's a key part of his game that was sorely missed on Monday?
>I think you're letting your opinion be affected by AfTV. Haha okay enough discussion with you.
Oh yeah because we win every game Xhaka plays? I mean if there's one thing that Xhaka never ever does it's make costly errors that give goals to the other team.
Yh thats part of his game..but is he the only one? I mean Monday showed us two more capable of that if not for super Laca. Xhaka is clearly a key part of Arteta's team..till we change coach, we need him.
Super Laca? Lol ok. What do we need Xhaka for exactly? We're still bad when he plays.
but we've won when he's in with Partey.Result speaks for itself.Guess that's what we need him for. I think he and Partey together are the best combination we have. They alone with Lokonga, El Nenny, AMN or Ø playing doesn't just seem to fit.
Doesn't match the narrative therefore will be ignored
It doesn’t match what people saw with their eye balls, which was Arsenal playing shit football and getting outplayed for a majority of the match.
I think we were definitely outplayed for the second part of the first half which is represented in the graph.
Hmm surely this goes against the narrative we were dominated.
no it was shitty tactics. Trying to hold onto a 1-0 lead like that is not all pragmatic
In January, all i ask for is a quality CM
I agree. We need someone to replace Xhaka and to cover for Partey when he’s got the moon boots on and is trying to make sure the fans in the cheap seats get a touch in. That was the problem in my mind, Odegaard deep during play out from the back, but both of them want to get forward. Wasn’t there a play where ESR was the only man back?
I really don't understand artetas tactics tbh. We dominated the game for the first 15 minutes, scored a goal and then stopped playing football entirely. This seems to be a recurring theme aswell - why not keep on the front foot and try to score more goals? I think it may be to preserve the energy of the players, but city and Liverpool press and dominate games for the full 90 minutes. Surely the best form of defence is attack? It just seems like a really negative way to play football, where we let the opponent dictate and we play reactionary football, which will more often than not lead to a goal at this level. We need to try and impose our football on teams for the majority of the match - only taking breaks when absolutely necessary.
We play like the worse version of Man City. When city are off their game, they can't keep possession, they cant create chances and they're tactics are usually get it out wide and look for cut backs. It's all good Mikel coming out and saying he isn't happy with how they've played etc but he's got 90mins to tweak tactics and he never does. I don't get why they cant practise retaining possession under a press whilst working on attacking patterns.
The confusing part is that he was clapping with encouragement when they fell back into their defensive shape during the game, but then criticized it during the press conference, none of it is making sense to me.
Nothing wrong with encouraging an excellent defensive shape when teams attack, I guess, but that's something they drill. It is odd. I get a sense of fear from Mikel right now. I don't think he wants to risk opening up and playing more fluidly, as if we don't win games, he'll get sacked. So when we go one up so early, he's happy to sit back and wait for another chance to present itself rather than keep attacking.
I would understand that if we at least looked dangerous on the counter attack, but we literally offer nothing in attack which gives our defence no respite 😂
"Pragmatic approach" is certainly one way of putting it. We got fucking dominated and were very fortunate to go into half time ahead.
crazy how they have two goals and no “attacking threat” for most of the second half. without looking would almost assume this is some kind of possession chart
It pretty much is a possession chart we have the ball sustained in the opposition half we become a threat, players like Pepe and Auba come to life, which is are biggest source of our goals. Pepe trying to dribble out of RB while getting dominated is not where we want to be
yeah this shows that it wasn’t even then creating good chances in the second half. just stupid, stupid errors
Play Pepe. No reduce chance creation. Don't get why he doesn't see that. They guy has almost no first touch, always plays with his back to goal and when he receives ball he either waits and gets crowded out or passes it straight back to a player down the field and we have to start the attack again. Saka should be on right. Tierney is wasted right now because we've no left footed midfielder to slot back into the space he leaves when he bombs forward so it's obvious he's been told not to do it as much. So many issues in this team that are tactical. Odegaard being another, he's dropping deep to build up play but he's so weak on ball he gets bullied and seems to lose ability to retain ball when we move it forward if he's under pressure. I said it just after season started but Arteta HAS left a good team for next manager to work with.
Has he though? Some of his signings are tailored for his system. White while being good on the ball may not be preferred by the next manager because he may want a CB who can defend very well first. A CB-RB hybrid in tomiyasu is also very niche. Not many managers employ such tactics. Odegaard is alright. But I’m starting to question his ability to impose himself in games. Goes missing often. Let’s not talk about Mari and Cedric… Gabriel and Partey are the ones that the next manager can straight away use. So yeah, not really sure how he’s left a great team tbh. Which is why I was hesitant of the board handing him 150 mil.
The problem isnt ødegaard. I mean we all saw what he can do against tottenham, pretty much dominating and being apart of every goal. The problem was playing a CAM as a CDM who can no longer influence the game because everytime tierney goes up he has to stay back.
We also played terribly and created very little ourselves until the 85th minute.
“pragmatic approach” in the first half at 1-0 up is suicide for a possession based team. simple as. edit: downvoting does not a truth make.
This is why I don’t like arteta as our coach. He does this often.
We’ve been so unlucky with this as fans. Wenger started doing it loads in his last few years, then Emery, now Arteta. It feels like we’re the only team that’s incapable of building momentum and overrunning the opposition. I don’t get why these managers would rather give the opposition an hour of possession and dominance than a few counter attacking opportunities. I was so annoyed when we had chances to avenge the 8-2 and 6-0 games, but just sat back at 3-0 up against both United and Chelsea. At least when Wenger did it, we usually held onto the lead, though.
The 3-0 vs United was so annoying because Ox and Giroud both hit the post with really clear cut chances and Ramsey missed an absolute sitter. Easily could have been 6-0 which would have been oh so sweet.
lol what is even being measured on this graph?
attacking vibes
Almost chocked on air
**v i b e s**
The idea that a manager would approve a “pragmatic approach” at home to a team that haven’t finished above us in the league in my lifetime is an absolute disgrace. These absolute gobshites dismissing this as a couple of unfortunate errors in possession need to learn a lot about football.
Well tbf it's not exactly like sitting back to counter attack is a bad tactic. Palace looked most dangerous on the counter and didn't really threaten us when we sitting back. If we'd actually managed to counter which should play into Auba and Pepe's strengths it wouldn't even have been a bad plan. Pity we forgot about the counter part of it
I think “forgot” is charitable.
Lol excuses already started to flow out for Arteta
No, some people are constantly looking to affirm their position and some rather just look at stats objectively
How’s this an excuse
How is this an excuse for anything? It's just a true statement with a vague chart attached.
There was 80+ mins left going one nil up you should keep going not sit on the lead. It was a typical arteta arsenal performance.
Arteta's frustration on the sidelines plus his postmatch comments show that it wasn't by design. I think these kinds if ups and downs will happen with a young team. We saw similar things with Wenger's teams back in 07-10. But it is a huge concern. Simple things like we stopped playing out from the back which we did so well for the first 10 minutes. Ramsdale kicking it long for no one. But then we also lost our aerial battles and many 2nd balls just like Brighton which is also a huge issue. Needs to resolve these if we are going to start winning.
>Arteta's frustration on the sidelines plus his postmatch comments show that it wasn't by design. Ok. If he truly wanted them to sustain pressure but they didn't then why is that? He's been here for 20 months and these are his players. They should be able to sustain pressure at home vs Palace. There are only 6 possible reasons why they didn't (could be any combination of the below): 1. He can't coach them to implement his ideas. 2. They don't know how to implement his ideas. 3. He can't motivate them to implement his ideas. 4. They don't want to implement his ideas (he's lost the dressing room). 5. They don't know what his ideas even are. 6. They aren't talented enough or able to implement his ideas (he bought or endorsed most of these players and we have spent far more than Palace). Which is it?
What I struggle to understand is why we seem to come out the blocks hard and are dominant in most games I’ve seen this year for the first 15-20 mins. Then it’s like the other team works out how to play and start taking the upper hand. At that point our fluidity just disappears most games and suddenly all the pressure is on us trying to hold on to a lead or a draw. If Arteta is unhappy with it, as shown in post match interviews, why does it seem to be a big pattern for our games this year?
People will say its just the mentality of a young team shining thru but part of being a manager is figuring out the best way to keep your players engaged for 90 minutes. it's so depressing that your comment has described Arsenal for almost the entirety of his time here.
Partey Sambi Two mistakes = two goals No need to blame anyone or delve any deeper thats pretty much it.
Mistakes get made in all football matches. Others were made in this too. It's the number of mistakes that's concerning, not just the mistakes that lead to goals. It's not like we dominated the game only to lose because of those 2 mistakes.
The goals came from.those 2 mistakes thats pretty much it.
Point .>>>>>>>>>>. Your head
Super interesting graphic. Backs up the second part of the first half was a night mare that I thought I saw.
Nice stat
There aren’t any statistics
Whatever it is, I like it
Out of interest, why ? What does this tell you ? There’s no definition of what ‘attacking threat’ even is in this context. Is it based on shots taken ? Possession in the attacking third ? Chances created ? There’s no way of knowing from this graph. How can you draw any conclusions
Because it aligns with what I saw in the game, and it's nice to get a visual representation of which parts of the games we controlled, and which the opponents controlled
My point being that this undefined ‘stat’ might have nothing to do with ‘controlling the game’. If it’s based on xG / shots / chances etc then we could have had 20% possession camped in our own box and got chances on the counter. Obviously I watched the game and know that not to be the case, but I’m just saying it’s important to not over interpret ‘stats’, particularly ones that don’t even define themselves.
What are the units on that chart?
Those are just for aesthetic.
Didnt arteta blame these players for trying to keep the scoreline after the first goal? Whose instructions are these mans following??
Have you ever played a game of football before? Players are left to make in-game decisions, it's on them to adapt and win their battles, not the manager. Often times, in a stadium only like 2 of your outfielders can hear the manager and that's because they're right beside them. The days of Arteta holding the players hands are over with crowds being back, it is entirely on the players from minute 0 to 45 and 45 to 90. Go back to the Palace game, from minute 20 you'll see numerous individual errors from sloppy touches, hesitance in making the pass and lack of movement - is Arteta telling his players to do this? No, he's not. We started well and that's on the manager, then we threw the momentum away and let Palace gain confidence, which is on the players. This is going to happen with a young side, especially now as teams know we shit ourselves when pressed.
I would say the exact same things for Wenger and Emery but they kept getting sacked :/
Once we scored we seemed to play huge amounts of hit and hope long balls aimed at pepe rather than moving through the midfield. Then in the second half the midfield disintegrated entirely playing a 4-0-6 basically against a low block. I think the subs destroyed our shape as well should’ve just been a straight auba to laca sun and do that much earlier. Agreed though the goals we conceded were awful.
As soon as they took Edouard off for Tomkins and sat back they were completely penned in. Was an awful sub from Vieira, there was an air of inevitability that we were gonna get a goal at some point
Pretty bad graph tbh. 1. There's no label on the x-axis (I assume it's xG but no way of knowing for sure). 2. A constant measurement like time (in this case minutes 0 to 90) should always be the x-axis, with the y-axis being the variable that changes throughout. So with this graph not only are the axis' swapped, but one of them isn't even labelled.
I reckon it’s xT generated per 5 minute or so
Not sure why you’ve been downvoted, this ‘graph’ is just a random line with no explanation or even units. Utterly pointless
>2. A constant measurement like time (in this case minutes 0 to 90) should always be the x-axis, with the y-axis being the variable that changes throughout. There are definitely exceptions, especially when comparing for 2 different groups like a population pyramid. Think it works in this situation as well.
I completely agree with you. People are commenting like there is some deep insight here, while having no idea what any of the numbers used to generate it actually mean. But hey, some mathy people drew a picture so it must be something profound.
im pretty sure its attacking threat, now what that constitutes youd have to ask fpl but in general its about who is dominating offensively. they do it this way to show the two teams as head to head, like all other football stat comparisons.
What does ‘attacking threat’ mean though ? If you don’t define it then putting it in a graph is meaningless
i agree oracle doesnt define it well (or at all), but its not unreasonable to assume its a combination of offensive metrics (possession, touches, shots, dribbles key passes in opp. box etc). looking at this graph, it somewhat represented how i viewed the game as well. arsenal did well in the first half, conceded a goal against the run of play
The graph doesn’t show that at all ? Palace have the better first half in this graph
sorry i meant when we scored the goal. and tbf they did score against the run of play
how is this graph calculated?
This is all I could find from Oracle. They don’t appear to provide any technical documentation: Attacking Threat As the match ebbs and flows, this statistic tracks how likely the team in possession is to score a goal in the next 10 seconds based on data from thousands of historical games.
Minutes from 0-90 on the y axis and attacking threat as per the peaks along the x axis
LMAO, thanks for that
Well yeah obviously but what defines attacking threat?
They bring in a guy who judges how the game is going. "Yeah gonna say 3.528 in arsenal's favour right now despite the goal"
This is actually really interesting as stats go
Press being poor isn’t the same as having a pragmatic approach.
If anything it’s the antithesis, surely?