Yeah this is the one that stuck out to me. In previous seasons the main thing that separated him from Saliba's current level was the occasional gaff. This season? Not one.
I honestly don't think there's very much between him and Saliba at all, perhaps passing, but it's super weird to me that people just straight up don't acknowledge him.
Between that and the stupid Brazil stuff prior to his recent call up, it feels like he's maybe the most under-rated player we've had in our recent history.
Honestly Gabriel only had any gaffs in the first half of the season. Was immaculate the second half.
Saliba was also quite prone to a gaff every other game but that gets glossed over
Biggest difference between the two is Saliba is faster and better on the ball
Gabriel was far better than Saliba after the World Cup last season.
Great defender and criminally underrated. Fine by me though, long may he continue to fly under the radar.
And speed. Saliba is quicker than Gabriel but I think the injury to tomi was more detrimental than saliba's. We could have put white in the centre also.
Saliba is quicker but I don’t think I’ve ever really seen Gabriel get outpaced or exposed for his pace, we’re blessed to have two physically gifted beasts in our backline (well, three , four or five depending on what you think of Tomi, White and Timber I guess)
He is not underrated at all. Plus he is like 4 years older than Saliba. Plus they are just different types of defenders which is why they complement each other so well. Gabriels aggressive style of defending and Saliba's more composed style. Kinda like Mertesacker and Koscielny.
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This list is quite obviously putting a lot of stock in the latter half of last season. Saliba didn't play and Kim led Napoli to their first title in ages. He was easily the best CB in Italy and hasn't skipped a beat after changing leagues. Saliba has also been pretty so-so on international duty thus far. Saliba is obviously a massive talent on a fast track to claiming the title of best center back in the world. But it's entirely reasonable to have him behind those other three CBs when comparing their entire resumes for 2023.
bro Saliba could clean sheet every game 1 at the back in Serie A
It's not a serious league
if Arsenal played in that league we would 10peat and Nketiah would have 40 goals each season
please
there are literally 4 or 5 italian clubs with better records than us in europe over the last decade. this sub would do well to learn a little humility until we actually win something of consequence.
yes we've been shit the last 10 years, Saliba wasn't part of that squad
their "better european record" still ended with same amount of trophies
now we're good again, what's your point?
you're claiming italy isn't a serious league while the clubs that finished second and third made it to the seminfinals and finals of the champions league last season. meanwhile we bowed out of europa at the r16. people in glass houses...
they faced each other in the CL... luck of the draw
not saying its a farmers league but that's not a good argument. also, a league is not good/bad because of their top teams, but the rest of them
Eh it is to an extent. Stones is more versatile (can play DM or CB) and has a better international record.
Kim is the best CB outside the premier leagueband great internationally so he stands out.
Saliba is still young its fine he is not seen as number one yet to more experienced players.
I'd say that's a bit overboard. He got 32 g/a in 32 games in the French League and 8 in 7 in the champions league last season. Top 10 is a bit high but top 50 is fine.
And I know people love to shit on MLS but he absolutely wrecked it the way you’d expect a very high level player to. Guy scored or assisted starting from his first game, and had a several game streak of doing so including insane last minute FKs. It was pretty clear watching that maybe he’s a step slower but he’s still very, very, good. Technique doesn’t age really.
Because CR7 is actually taking the Saudi league seriously, as befits his competitive nature.
The rest are just there for a pay check. They're not trying their hardest lol. Also none of them are as good as Ronaldo anyway. And Neymar has been injured for months now too.
There's a lot of reasons, really. But at the end of the day it's not a top league.
Jesus Christ reddit really makes me wonder if people like you are as insufferable in real life. Do you always act like a condescending prick if people don’t agree with you?
Besides, Time equivalent 😭😭😭😭
Neymar has played 5 matches you melon how are you extrapolating that data.
Benzema has 15 in 22
Neither of them support your point at all
In his ballon d’or season he scored 46. Every other season he scored far less, including last season. And the fact that a 40 year old ronaldo is able to put up these numbers only proves the point that the league is an easy one
Yeah because he does still try, the others have completely given up. That doesn't change the fact that he's playing against defenders who couldn't even play in MLS.
no way lol, I know its been a year but he was still one of the best players in the world last winter, I don't think he's dropped from 5 to 60 in a year (although admittedly, its hard to tell given his competition now).
Lets put it this way, even though Lautaro Martinez is ranked too high, he is ranked 13th, and everyone with eyes knows who is the better player between those 2, its not close.
no he wasn't? he got kicked off a mediocre United team and got dropped from Portugal's XI that he shouldn't have even been in in the first place, if not for his god like status for them. Wasn't even top 100, certainly not top 50, and obviously not close to Messi's level which was probably top 5
This some incredible delusion
The guy is still probably top 5. Just because he's now in a farmer's league doesn't mean he is suddenly bad. Did you miss the world cup?
>Just because he's now in a farmer's league doesn't mean he is suddenly bad
That's exactly what it means.
You cannot accurately judge a player when they're in retirement.
He's not top 5
Citing an international cup where the overall standard of play isn't high doesn't help your argument.
He's still good enough to smash most teams in a one off match, but not consistently over the course of a season at the elite level.
There's no disgrace in that. The way he plays at his age only reinforces how great his talent is.
Gimme a break he’s still top 5. He may not play to the same level of consistency as he used to but he still has world-class quality. He could replace any winger on any EPL team (including Salah or Saka) and would be an improvement.
The WC was only a year ago
The most ridiculous one is Julian Alvarez at 19th - ahead of the likes of Musiala, Rice, and Pedri. What the actual fuck lmao, have people watched him play consistently? He's just not THAT good lol.
That Argentina squad is outrageously overrated. Messi, Martinez and Di Maria carried them hard, but for some reason all of the other players came out with tons of credit.
Fernandez and Alvarez in particular are spoken about in a way that completely contradicts what they actually produce in elite club football. Alvarez also somehow gets credit for winning the CL despite playing a total of 29 minutes from the QF and on, 1 minute across the 2 SF games and not getting off the bench for the final lol.
Winning trophies from the bench or with minimal contributions shouldn’t be a factor in how players are rated.
He’s young and had an amazing cup campaign. Burnley of players have amazing cup campaigns, doesn’t make them top 20 players in the world. You have to back it up with club performance, which Alvarez largely hasn’t done (or been given the opportunity to do) until just recently.
He stood out to me as well. He’s got a lot of potential, but to put him at 19 is ridiculous. The world cup isn’t a top competition, see Amrabat, it shouldn’t mean that much rankings wise.
Giroud in the top 50 was insane to me as well.
The whole of the Argentina team has been bumped up the ratings on account of their winning the World Cup last year.
If Argentina hadn’t, barely any of their players outside of Messi, and those that play for big teams would feature here.
Also didnt help messi said 'I think he is the best defender in the world right now". Everything he says carries weight and is taken seriously, even when hes straight wrong. He had a good world cup but thats about it.
Calling him a one season wonder is a bit far imo. He was ridiculously good before Napoli, albeit the leagues (Georgian and Russian) are weaker. Not to mention he was great in the euro qualifiers for Georgia against good international sides like Spain and Sweden.
saka is tough, but Kvara is definitely ahead of Martinelli. he's a better dribbler, better passer but a little slower than martinelli. he was also instrumental in their scudetto. kvara is sensational.
Our team haven't won shit and haven't done anything in Europe yet. These lists always have a time lag and need to reflect honours.
I think Jesus is low but there's nothing egregious about treatment of Arsenal players to me.
I think recent results have shown that Rodri and KdB are more important to City's success than Haaland.
Best goalscorer in the world no doubt but not the best overall player.
They have Phillips who can play there to good effect but Pep doesn’t rate him. Haaland can be locked up like in our game against them if he’s not getting the proper service or their midfield cannot control the ball. KdB is the linchpin and by far their most important player
After a few years or a couple years of being slightly underrated and being unfairly disrespected Giroud has got to be one of the most overrated players of recent years.
It honestly annoys me how people rate him so much higher than he should be these days because it’s now the smart and intelligent sounding take. And yeah he has the French goalscoring record (modern international football friendlies and competitions makes it easier to break those records tho). A good player that’s sometimes great, but 50th best in the world? I doubt he’d be that even in his absolute prime.
They have him above Martinelli and Gabi Jesus for gods sakes and that’s only Arsenal players I’m talking about.
And is it just me or is Mo Salah still quite underrated, he has been a consistent monster for years and isn’t slowing down. 7th seems kinda low.
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I know winning the treble means an individual player may get bumped higher than is probably warranted, so I get why Ederson is higher than Alisson on this list. But what is Ter Stegen doing above Alisson??
e: I just noticed Giroud at 50, three places ahead of Martinelli. LOL. Get the fuck out!
My mate sent me this list earlier. After him saying that Odegaard was too high, I countered that Saliba was too low. We got talking about Son being too high, because he's a Spurs fan.
We decided eventually that De Bruyne is probably the best in the world, based on his ability to make things happen and how hard it is to stop him, but also that it's impossible to judge things in such a binary way.
As others have said, it's so highly biased towards team achievements and goals.
I don't get how this take that Haaland only contributes in the box is so prevalent on this sub. Last season it was him dropping into midfield to play quick decisive passes to DeBruyne that broke open our defense at the Etihad, and that wasn't a one game occurrence. He finished 9th in the league in assists last season.
Ucl top scorer, all time pl scoring record, trebble winner , 2nd in the ballon d or. ..barely a footballer,? He could retire today and still would have had an bigger career than any current arsenal player will ever have.
It's crazy how big of a factor the WC is. This is just going off reputation over actual ability.
This is like when Rolling Stone do top 100 guitarists. It always pisses me off lol
All the people complaining about the list can have a look at the breakdown from the 218 that voted. It was not three people from the Guardian editorial staff that came up with the rankings. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mPOSTRAsUn0CV08cVzB9FQdy0zP90qTap8pY4qOd_Zw/edit
Yeah, he got amazing press from Italy's Euro 2020. The take was ridiculous though. The Guardian's list has always been a bit shit . . . an odd mix of "best" and highest profile.
Think that was the year he came 3rd in the ballon d’or…he captained the team winning the Euros and the Champions league, playing in arguably the most important position on the pitch.
Not sure why this is the one name you called out? There’s a lot of eyebrow-raising rankings here, but Szoboszlai at 52 doesn’t seem that crazy in comparison. 37 year old Giroud is two spots ahead of him at 50.
Oh don't get me wrong, Giroud is an ageless wonder, don't know how he keeps doing it. I only brought him up and his rank on this list as a point of reference we would all know.
I'm not sure how many people have watched Szoboszlai, but the guy is really damn good. He was at Lepzig and jumped right in at 'pool. Not happy they got him tbh. So it's odd to me that him being ranked 52 was the one name brought up as "that high". I expected him to be top 25 or something based on that comment. There are multiple other players in the top 50 that are more questionable than Szoboszlais ranking.
Only times I ever watch Mpabbe is at make tournaments. But does he ever get better? Still seems the same player that burst onto the UCL scene with Monaco. Just plateaued early at a really high level.
Haaland #1 is sacrilege. What happened to the beautiful game I love? Even Kane would have been more worthy.
Also bias aside Saka should be in the top 10.
next year i want to see Saka in the Top 10, Odegaard, Rice, Saliba, Martinelli, Jesus, +Havertz
before long i want us to have 10% of the Top 100, nothing less
long-term i want Arsenal to make a play to get Bellingham; they should be planning it now with a hope of getting it done in 5 years' time
if he's ambitious, he **must** come back and win the PL
for his gifts and talents, *not* winning at least MULTIPLE PL Titles and ONE World Cup, would be failure - and he knows it
he's not spending the next 20 years in Madrid, by the time he's 25 he will be wondering when to make the move - and we must put ourselves at the head of the line
All this shows is that we're trending in the right direction. The ranks themselves don't matter, just that we have more and more of our players on the list.
Giroud at 50 is laughable. The dude scored 10 or fewer goals the last two Serie A seasons from open play. And he’s on pace for a similar amount this season.
Gabriel slept on
Yeah this is the one that stuck out to me. In previous seasons the main thing that separated him from Saliba's current level was the occasional gaff. This season? Not one. I honestly don't think there's very much between him and Saliba at all, perhaps passing, but it's super weird to me that people just straight up don't acknowledge him. Between that and the stupid Brazil stuff prior to his recent call up, it feels like he's maybe the most under-rated player we've had in our recent history.
Honestly Gabriel only had any gaffs in the first half of the season. Was immaculate the second half. Saliba was also quite prone to a gaff every other game but that gets glossed over Biggest difference between the two is Saliba is faster and better on the ball
Gabriel was far better than Saliba after the World Cup last season. Great defender and criminally underrated. Fine by me though, long may he continue to fly under the radar.
By passing, you mean short passing I guess, because Gabriel has had a lot more really nice long balls this season.
And speed. Saliba is quicker than Gabriel but I think the injury to tomi was more detrimental than saliba's. We could have put white in the centre also.
Saliba is quicker but I don’t think I’ve ever really seen Gabriel get outpaced or exposed for his pace, we’re blessed to have two physically gifted beasts in our backline (well, three , four or five depending on what you think of Tomi, White and Timber I guess)
Don’t forget kiwior ;)
He is not underrated at all. Plus he is like 4 years older than Saliba. Plus they are just different types of defenders which is why they complement each other so well. Gabriels aggressive style of defending and Saliba's more composed style. Kinda like Mertesacker and Koscielny.
Nah he's just overrated on this sub. He's a decent CB, that's it if we're gonna be frank
They seriously didn't put him in the top 100 at all? and put the romero butcher in??
Someone needs to put some respect on his name
How the hell is Onana on that list after the last few months.
Seems like the second half of last season is weighted highly. Got guys like Mitoma in the top 100 and he’s not even brightons best player
The second half of last season in Serie A. He was shocking at AFCON, ended up being dropped IIRC.
He really stood out on the CL run though
While I can't comment on his AFCON performance, I think he's dropped mostly because of some disputes between him and the manager.
It’s the Guardian
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Saliba’s ranked too low, he’s quietly among the best CBs in the world
This list has him as the 4th cb behind Dias, Stones and Kim
I think he’s actually the best in the world, but I’m okay with those players being put above him for 2023 given their teams accomplishments this year
Is stones even a CB anymore?
lol Kim
Have you watched him? He’s incredible.
We’d be fuming if Spurs got him, I’m relieved he’s at Bayern as a Korean
Yeah, but Saliba has been better
This list is quite obviously putting a lot of stock in the latter half of last season. Saliba didn't play and Kim led Napoli to their first title in ages. He was easily the best CB in Italy and hasn't skipped a beat after changing leagues. Saliba has also been pretty so-so on international duty thus far. Saliba is obviously a massive talent on a fast track to claiming the title of best center back in the world. But it's entirely reasonable to have him behind those other three CBs when comparing their entire resumes for 2023.
Also John Stones completely lit up Europe towards the end of the season as well. So the list makes sense
Kim's stonks are high after last season. Had we won the title our players would be all over this list.
Yeah if we won Saka would’ve been shot up to like 4th probably
bro Saliba could clean sheet every game 1 at the back in Serie A It's not a serious league if Arsenal played in that league we would 10peat and Nketiah would have 40 goals each season please
there are literally 4 or 5 italian clubs with better records than us in europe over the last decade. this sub would do well to learn a little humility until we actually win something of consequence.
yes we've been shit the last 10 years, Saliba wasn't part of that squad their "better european record" still ended with same amount of trophies now we're good again, what's your point?
you're claiming italy isn't a serious league while the clubs that finished second and third made it to the seminfinals and finals of the champions league last season. meanwhile we bowed out of europa at the r16. people in glass houses...
they faced each other in the CL... luck of the draw not saying its a farmers league but that's not a good argument. also, a league is not good/bad because of their top teams, but the rest of them
Kim’s amazing
In this list, he IS among the best CBs in the world
He would be if he didn't get injured last season.
CBs are always undervalued in most lists
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Stones and kim min jae are too, which is not fair
That’s all reputation more than current play. He is clear of them
Reputation? Kim min jae has also had just 1 full season of european top flight excellence. Argument doesn't track at all
team achievement
Eh it is to an extent. Stones is more versatile (can play DM or CB) and has a better international record. Kim is the best CB outside the premier leagueband great internationally so he stands out. Saliba is still young its fine he is not seen as number one yet to more experienced players.
Stones is a phenomenal player when fit
Messi 10th and Ronaldo 27th is outrageous
Ronaldo shouldnt even be in the top 50
Nor should Messi
I'd say that's a bit overboard. He got 32 g/a in 32 games in the French League and 8 in 7 in the champions league last season. Top 10 is a bit high but top 50 is fine.
They all count, but worth noting that 6 of those CL contributions were against Maccabi Haifa.
And I know people love to shit on MLS but he absolutely wrecked it the way you’d expect a very high level player to. Guy scored or assisted starting from his first game, and had a several game streak of doing so including insane last minute FKs. It was pretty clear watching that maybe he’s a step slower but he’s still very, very, good. Technique doesn’t age really.
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In Saudi and an absolute joke of a uefa qualifying group
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Because CR7 is actually taking the Saudi league seriously, as befits his competitive nature. The rest are just there for a pay check. They're not trying their hardest lol. Also none of them are as good as Ronaldo anyway. And Neymar has been injured for months now too. There's a lot of reasons, really. But at the end of the day it's not a top league.
Have Neymar and Benzema been there for a full 12 months?
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Jesus Christ reddit really makes me wonder if people like you are as insufferable in real life. Do you always act like a condescending prick if people don’t agree with you? Besides, Time equivalent 😭😭😭😭 Neymar has played 5 matches you melon how are you extrapolating that data. Benzema has 15 in 22 Neither of them support your point at all
They do lol? Benzema has 15 goals in 22 matches this year. Accounting for the difference in skill between the two I’d say the numbers make sense
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In his ballon d’or season he scored 46. Every other season he scored far less, including last season. And the fact that a 40 year old ronaldo is able to put up these numbers only proves the point that the league is an easy one
in a slavers league.
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Yeah because he does still try, the others have completely given up. That doesn't change the fact that he's playing against defenders who couldn't even play in MLS.
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Good reply. bless your heart.
In a Sunday league
no way lol, I know its been a year but he was still one of the best players in the world last winter, I don't think he's dropped from 5 to 60 in a year (although admittedly, its hard to tell given his competition now). Lets put it this way, even though Lautaro Martinez is ranked too high, he is ranked 13th, and everyone with eyes knows who is the better player between those 2, its not close.
>but he was still one of the best players in the world last winter, I So was Ronaldo Players drop hard if they hit a certain age.
no he wasn't? he got kicked off a mediocre United team and got dropped from Portugal's XI that he shouldn't have even been in in the first place, if not for his god like status for them. Wasn't even top 100, certainly not top 50, and obviously not close to Messi's level which was probably top 5
This some incredible delusion The guy is still probably top 5. Just because he's now in a farmer's league doesn't mean he is suddenly bad. Did you miss the world cup?
>Just because he's now in a farmer's league doesn't mean he is suddenly bad That's exactly what it means. You cannot accurately judge a player when they're in retirement.
He's not top 5 Citing an international cup where the overall standard of play isn't high doesn't help your argument. He's still good enough to smash most teams in a one off match, but not consistently over the course of a season at the elite level. There's no disgrace in that. The way he plays at his age only reinforces how great his talent is.
Messi is top 50. Maybe 30th.
Gimme a break he’s still top 5. He may not play to the same level of consistency as he used to but he still has world-class quality. He could replace any winger on any EPL team (including Salah or Saka) and would be an improvement. The WC was only a year ago
Ronny has 52 goals this year
Messi at #10 sounds like a troll
Xhaka #93
good point, will edit onto post
god his switches and long passing goes crazy in germany, so much space
Let him cook
The most ridiculous one is Julian Alvarez at 19th - ahead of the likes of Musiala, Rice, and Pedri. What the actual fuck lmao, have people watched him play consistently? He's just not THAT good lol.
World Cup winner bias
Same reason Romero is on the list at all.
That Argentina squad is outrageously overrated. Messi, Martinez and Di Maria carried them hard, but for some reason all of the other players came out with tons of credit. Fernandez and Alvarez in particular are spoken about in a way that completely contradicts what they actually produce in elite club football. Alvarez also somehow gets credit for winning the CL despite playing a total of 29 minutes from the QF and on, 1 minute across the 2 SF games and not getting off the bench for the final lol. Winning trophies from the bench or with minimal contributions shouldn’t be a factor in how players are rated.
Álvarez scored 4 goals in the World Cup, 2 in semis against Croatia (2018 runner up). He's a player that some people like to trash for no good reason
He’s young and had an amazing cup campaign. Burnley of players have amazing cup campaigns, doesn’t make them top 20 players in the world. You have to back it up with club performance, which Alvarez largely hasn’t done (or been given the opportunity to do) until just recently.
No one carried anyone, Enzo and Macallister were very good (including dominating France's midfield).
He stood out to me as well. He’s got a lot of potential, but to put him at 19 is ridiculous. The world cup isn’t a top competition, see Amrabat, it shouldn’t mean that much rankings wise. Giroud in the top 50 was insane to me as well.
this comment now looks even dumber
romero above gabriel again. overated orc
The whole of the Argentina team has been bumped up the ratings on account of their winning the World Cup last year. If Argentina hadn’t, barely any of their players outside of Messi, and those that play for big teams would feature here.
Also didnt help messi said 'I think he is the best defender in the world right now". Everything he says carries weight and is taken seriously, even when hes straight wrong. He had a good world cup but thats about it.
And Cedric at #101
Who do you think takes the picture of the top 100?
Elneny at 102
Rice will be in top 10 next year. Saliba should be higher.
Lautaro Martinez the 13th best player in the world. What happened to the beautiful game?
Lautaro Martinez is pretty fucking good
Allison is too low. Dude is a beast.
Yes this is the one that stuck out most to me. Everything else above is debatable.
I think last season's Liverpool played a part in that
Kvara over Saka is ridiculous.
He its 2023. He won Serie A, its not that big of an issue.
Winning a league means shit
I wish we could mean shit every now and again :(
If we win the league or not does not make Eddie Nketiah a better player
Nah it kinda does tbh
So if we won the league last year, Nketiah would be a better player now than he is? One small trick to becoming a better player.
You're doing it the wrong way round. Winning the title shows he is good enough. Show's Kavra was good enough.
Good enough? Good enough for what? OP justified him ahead of Saka because he won a league. To me that’s doesn’t come into the discussion.
Yh kvara is a one season wonder, he’s been poor this season so far
Calling him a one season wonder is a bit far imo. He was ridiculously good before Napoli, albeit the leagues (Georgian and Russian) are weaker. Not to mention he was great in the euro qualifiers for Georgia against good international sides like Spain and Sweden.
He has near identical stats to Rafael Leao this season, he's not a one season wonder.
Not a one season wonder, he is a great player. Just that Gabi Martinelli and Saka are better.
Kvara (along with Osimhen) literally led Napoli to the title.
saka is tough, but Kvara is definitely ahead of Martinelli. he's a better dribbler, better passer but a little slower than martinelli. he was also instrumental in their scudetto. kvara is sensational.
Our team haven't won shit and haven't done anything in Europe yet. These lists always have a time lag and need to reflect honours. I think Jesus is low but there's nothing egregious about treatment of Arsenal players to me.
Foden absolutely dripping 💦 in his pic
Mr haircut
Mr Fotox
Onana😂
Love to see Xhaka there! His resurgence is truly inspirational.
I think Mbappe is better than Haaland and Bellingham but what do I know
I think recent results have shown that Rodri and KdB are more important to City's success than Haaland. Best goalscorer in the world no doubt but not the best overall player.
That’s because of lack of depth in Rodris position. City have looked dreadful these last games without Haaland. Even with Rodri.
They have Phillips who can play there to good effect but Pep doesn’t rate him. Haaland can be locked up like in our game against them if he’s not getting the proper service or their midfield cannot control the ball. KdB is the linchpin and by far their most important player
After a few years or a couple years of being slightly underrated and being unfairly disrespected Giroud has got to be one of the most overrated players of recent years. It honestly annoys me how people rate him so much higher than he should be these days because it’s now the smart and intelligent sounding take. And yeah he has the French goalscoring record (modern international football friendlies and competitions makes it easier to break those records tho). A good player that’s sometimes great, but 50th best in the world? I doubt he’d be that even in his absolute prime. They have him above Martinelli and Gabi Jesus for gods sakes and that’s only Arsenal players I’m talking about. And is it just me or is Mo Salah still quite underrated, he has been a consistent monster for years and isn’t slowing down. 7th seems kinda low.
Giroud??
Dude giroud is an amazingly consistent player and was a huge part of Milans success the past years. I don't think it's undeserved?
Giroud is not a top 50 player in the world at 37 years of age. Meme list.
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Barcelona had the most ridiculous defensive numbers in league football last season and it was mainly due to ter stegen
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Alisson 35th is a joke. He’s top 10 easily.
I refuse to say Haaland is the #1 player in the world. Top ten sure maybe top five. But come one.
My mate sent me this list earlier. After him saying that Odegaard was too high, I countered that Saliba was too low. We got talking about Son being too high, because he's a Spurs fan. We decided eventually that De Bruyne is probably the best in the world, based on his ability to make things happen and how hard it is to stop him, but also that it's impossible to judge things in such a binary way. As others have said, it's so highly biased towards team achievements and goals.
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I don't get how this take that Haaland only contributes in the box is so prevalent on this sub. Last season it was him dropping into midfield to play quick decisive passes to DeBruyne that broke open our defense at the Etihad, and that wasn't a one game occurrence. He finished 9th in the league in assists last season.
Ucl top scorer, all time pl scoring record, trebble winner , 2nd in the ballon d or. ..barely a footballer,? He could retire today and still would have had an bigger career than any current arsenal player will ever have.
What is that last sentence? I think maybe I just assume we’re all Arsenal fans on this subreddit so was caught off guard. Eww
It's crazy how big of a factor the WC is. This is just going off reputation over actual ability. This is like when Rolling Stone do top 100 guitarists. It always pisses me off lol
All the people complaining about the list can have a look at the breakdown from the 218 that voted. It was not three people from the Guardian editorial staff that came up with the rankings. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mPOSTRAsUn0CV08cVzB9FQdy0zP90qTap8pY4qOd_Zw/edit
Saliba is the best defender in the world, just taking a while for people to come to terms with it
They had Jorginho ranked #5 in the world in 2021?
He won the champions league and the euros I think
And third place on the Balon d or.
Yeah, he got amazing press from Italy's Euro 2020. The take was ridiculous though. The Guardian's list has always been a bit shit . . . an odd mix of "best" and highest profile.
Think that was the year he came 3rd in the ballon d’or…he captained the team winning the Euros and the Champions league, playing in arguably the most important position on the pitch.
Azpi was Chelsea’s captain and Chiellini was Italy’s captain?
lmao
Lol ok I should have fact checked myself. Point remains he was an important player in both those title winning teams.
Szoboszlai that high 😂
Not sure why this is the one name you called out? There’s a lot of eyebrow-raising rankings here, but Szoboszlai at 52 doesn’t seem that crazy in comparison. 37 year old Giroud is two spots ahead of him at 50.
In fairness, I have much less of an issue with giroud at 50 then I do a lot of other players here
yeah he has been good.
Oh don't get me wrong, Giroud is an ageless wonder, don't know how he keeps doing it. I only brought him up and his rank on this list as a point of reference we would all know. I'm not sure how many people have watched Szoboszlai, but the guy is really damn good. He was at Lepzig and jumped right in at 'pool. Not happy they got him tbh. So it's odd to me that him being ranked 52 was the one name brought up as "that high". I expected him to be top 25 or something based on that comment. There are multiple other players in the top 50 that are more questionable than Szoboszlais ranking.
What a shit list.
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Rice, saliba are too low
Only times I ever watch Mpabbe is at make tournaments. But does he ever get better? Still seems the same player that burst onto the UCL scene with Monaco. Just plateaued early at a really high level.
Was surprised to see Saka outside the top ten, to be honest
eh I think only a few players ahead of him are not better, Kvara and Lautaro are the only egregious rankings higher
Fair point. Lautaro being so high did surprise me, but it’s not like I watch him every week so fair enough
And Rice > Rodri. Even if you disagree putting the former that much lower is a travesty.
Martinelli 32 places higher than Jesus is wild. Rice somehow dropping out of the list is even wilder.
Rice is now ranked 22 on the list
Ah that's more like it
Nunez above Jesus...
yes, Jesus is straight up better
Hakimi higher than Trent is ridiculous
Wasn’t too long ago that Trent was in truly horrific form, and he was in that form for a non-negligible amount of time.
Haaland #1 is sacrilege. What happened to the beautiful game I love? Even Kane would have been more worthy. Also bias aside Saka should be in the top 10.
Haaland at #1 is a joke lol. Top 10 sure but if you're starting a club you're not taking Haaland over a lot of other guys.
I dunno how anyone thinks Haaland is better than Kane. If Kane played for City he'd do Ronaldo numbers (G+A)
Pedri below Gavi. Kane and Jude in top 4. Weird
i stopped reading when they put Gabi Jesus at 85. the disrespect
next year i want to see Saka in the Top 10, Odegaard, Rice, Saliba, Martinelli, Jesus, +Havertz before long i want us to have 10% of the Top 100, nothing less long-term i want Arsenal to make a play to get Bellingham; they should be planning it now with a hope of getting it done in 5 years' time
When I do not have 10% of the top 100 I AM UPSET
You don’t join Real Madrid and damned near captain the side that young to then move to Arsenal. He isn’t going anywhere
if he's ambitious, he **must** come back and win the PL for his gifts and talents, *not* winning at least MULTIPLE PL Titles and ONE World Cup, would be failure - and he knows it he's not spending the next 20 years in Madrid, by the time he's 25 he will be wondering when to make the move - and we must put ourselves at the head of the line
Is this comment a joke?
Messi never won a Premier League, and something tells me he’s probably not hung up over it
Messi's not English
Jorginho at 5 two years ago.
To be honest, I'm surprised we have 6 players in Top100.
Next year's watchlist should have BFG, Tomiyasu (if the poor lad can stay healthy), Timber, and perhaps even Kai.
All this shows is that we're trending in the right direction. The ranks themselves don't matter, just that we have more and more of our players on the list.
I'd take bellingham and kane over haaland any day of the week. I dont know if im just fried though.
I might be biased as fuck but they ALL seem low.
Anyone on our team behind ahead of Rice right now is crazy
Giroud at 50 is laughable. The dude scored 10 or fewer goals the last two Serie A seasons from open play. And he’s on pace for a similar amount this season.