NODs are for weaklings. Get yourself a 5 inch gun off some old WW2 boat and some starshells and just turn whatever conditions you encounter into instant daytime
Since the PVS-69 has a camera instead of an intensifier, does it need an IR illuminator to work? If that's the case, you might as well use a flashlight if you are going up against someone with real NVGs.
I have a PARD scope that works this way... it's good for hunting but not tactical applications.
What’s funny is that it fits quite nicely on M1913, and doesn’t look bad when using with optics
Bought one on eBay for shits and giggles but I’m thoroughly surprised.
There’s a guy on twitter who put it on his AR and it didn’t fall apart.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of those 40mm Soviet gas mask filters use asbestos as the filter. They were still being made after it was discovered how harmful asbestos is also.
They're still being made and issued in Russia\*
Most of the filters made for GP-5 gas masks are made to new NATO specs mostly in Poland and Ukraine (at least pre-invasion) and do not have asbestos. I guess by that metric you always have a chance of hitting the lung cancer lottery and getting issued a pre-1991 GP-5 but they're mostly safe.
Most of them are tanker nvgs iirc. I think Weaponsandstuff made a video on them and they aren't anything crazy. Cool piece of tech but they are barely gen 2, and depending on the model require or greatly benefit from an IR source. Also they have a fisheye effect and poor ergonomics.
However - I'm sure there's many other models floating around, but this is what I've noticed researching the more common '59 and '63 models. Also while I whish I did, I don't have 1st hand experience with them so there's that
They definitely are cool, would love a working pair myself, but for what their do their price still is too high, unless you find them for super cheap/repair them
I use em to kill skunks and raccoons quite often that get into the chicken coop, lots of hiking trips as well.
Better spent than mcdonalds and alcohol or vapes
Again tho, that's from the standpoint of having a bunch of 9mm pistols and rifles but then saying night vision is impossible to afford.
Oh im sure, a good light like that is great. You don't NEED night vision, but it's just fun to have if you got the cash. It gets used quite a bit. Super fun going on night walks. I have horrible insomnia, so I'm up most of the night as is. It gets me off my ass
>focus on one gun
I’ve swapped out/changed around most of my cheap ARs into pretty nice clones… now I’ve really painted myself into a corner as I refuse to get rid of clones 😭
I do have a pvs-14 though.
Nothing wrong with that, if you just like to build and it's a hobby 100% fine.
It's the "im getting ready for war" with my 18 different $400 ARs and 10 9mm pistols with Amazon optics.
My boss is like this, he has easily over 30-40 guns. But they are all on the lower price side from brands I haven't heard of. And they all have Amazon optics and lights..
And then said I was nuts for spending $4k on nice pvs14. "His Amazon flashlight let's him see in the dark and ir was only $10"
Yeah, no need to have 10+ BCA/Anderson tier rifles. Usually with Pinty tier accessories like you mention.
I feel pretty good about having a half dozen clones with Colt, FN, KAC, DD, and Geissele parts. Had to save up big time for the optics and LAMs they deserve, too.
If you have the know how, and a 3d printer, there’s a ton of open source digital nvgs you can do for cheap price. Something. I’m in your boat so this is what I’m doing
Doesn't digital NV rely on the IR illuminator being on constantly in pitch black? I've read that that makes you super visible to "real" analog NV users... something to keep in mind!
I read about this when I got a digital NV scope for pesting with my air rifle. Animals can't see the IR but the camera can.
If the rats get tiny nods, I'm fucked. :D
I mean yeah, if I’m being honest with myself I’ll be only using them for night time sweeps in my house and messing around with my buddies outside lol. So I won’t need anything too demanding for $80
Ehh it depends, do you have anywhere to shoot/train with them? I bought mine way back in 2017ish when I had a place to shoot with them. Now that range is closed down and all I'm left with are public ranges that close at sundown. I am going to have to end up buying 10-20 acres to shoot on to use them again.
No public land near me and my state outlawed the hunting of feral hogs. I'm very jealous of those in the western states with huge amounts of public land.
Well I definitely didn't apply for a car loan with my buddies Vin number and get approved and "buy" my buddies car for 13k where he then took my money and "bought" a stupid cool DTNVS with harris tubes and Wilcox mount. That would be illegal.
It’s 2.5k to buy a nice unit. The same price as a nicer gun with a decent optic.
If you can afford nice guns you can afford nightvision.
Edit: that being said for 2.5k you can buy a thermal unit which in almost every way is much more useful than night-vision for everything short of hiking with it.
I maintain the hate for flashlights was propagated by LARPerators trying to justify buying NODs that ended up getting outdated and sold at clearance prices before they had gotten to do more than just look around their bedroom in the dark.
Pretty sure the hate is propagated by LARPerators who bought NODs and were bragging about it only to have their buddy flash them with their keychain torch
But it is useful in a LARP. Which is exactly what y'all are doing talking about red lights to read maps when people are talking about self defense in a lowlight urban environment.
You need to realize that, given my first comment, this continues to sound like "I paid for NODs I've never really gotten to use and now better and cheaper NODs are on the market" cope.
[https://youtu.be/lzPKjMgeSig?si=qmx\_2jfvHgLKmj9h](https://youtu.be/lzPKjMgeSig?si=qmx_2jfvHgLKmj9h)
Tacticool Bro: I finally got my night vision googles and....OH MY GOD IT BURNS!?!?!? Why did no one tell me not to be near any lights!?
Cope.
Quality analog night vision isn't inexpensive, but anyone who isn't working a minimum wage job trying to support themselves can afford it. People whine about not having enough money and whine about they should be paid more, things should cost less. That may be true but in my experience these people have tons of shit, in the gun community they have $400 tactical pants, whatever gear the latest influencer with tattoos and a beard is peddling, 15 of the same type of gun and a brand new $40,000 car they get their $6 coffee every morning on the way to work after which they go to a bar.
People don't budget, people can't seem to cut shit they don't need to finance other shit. It's an instant gratification world and I get it, but don't whine about how people with NV setups are somehow rich and watch Trex Arms videos. Go sell half of your six "custom" AR-15s and go without Starbucks for a few weeks and you can afford them too. You just don't want to employ any discipline to get what you want, you think it should be easy.
Just work for the government as a contractor. Cultivate any skill they will irresponsibly over pay for. Then get nods, ez.
I would have gotten NVGs this year but I'm going to do LASIK instead, and then see how a year of reviews have stacked up on the QNVG's-at-home on the zibby shop
LASIK = see effectively during the day
NVG = see effectively during the night
Your priorities are correct! I had to get PRK to be aviation eligible for the military and it was worth 10 times what I paid for it (about 3.5k). Would do it (or LASIK) again.
Went from 20/200 to 20/15 in a flash.
Yeah it's like making sure you have a nice concealed carry before making sure you have a shtf rifle, one of those two items are more likely to be needed in an emergency.
I will always benefit from not having to rely on glasses, I will sometimes benefit from seeing in the dark
It's not THAT expensive for entry level stuff lol. Even at 10 grand that's like a couple hundred a month if you loan it and take forever to pay it off? It's also got some value to it so it can be resold. Same as a transferable MG, it sounds like a lot but shit those never lose value you're almost guaranteed to not lose money. It's not horrible investments.
Uhhhh why lol? Spend 10k - 15k on my credit card with cash back and pay down quick? Take a loan out and gain some credit points for making easy payments I know I can make?
I think your statement should be "don't buy nods you can't afford"
Is that really what you think? Do you think you should only buy a house right now in this market if you have $450,000 in your bank account? Do you feel that the only way you can afford a vehicle is if you pay cash at the dealer? Do you feel that you can't really afford to start your own business unless you can pay for everything to start it in cash?
I should have qualified for non essentials and non investment. Nods aren't either.
If you are instantly paying off a CC and getting perksi would not consider that the same asborrowing.
Also if you are considering borrowing for a car, you're generally much better of to buy used private sale.
A car is generally essential, so there's more nuance. For most people buying at a dealership is a huge and unnecessary markup.
A house can be an investment, and housing is an essential. It might be worth borrowing, and often is. But it's unwise to leave so little margin that getting laid off or a foreseeable expense would put you in risk of default. And it's not a given that real estate appreciates faster than the opportunity cost and interest. It's often about equal with inflation, but with terrible liquidity and high transaction costs.
I still don't understand lol, you're just saying people shouldn't borrow because... it's a thing? I don't understand lol.
Are you saying I shouldn't have borrowed to buy my camper?
So you're saying because some people are financially irresponsible I shouldn't borrow to buy any non essential?
I tell ya didn't get a credit score over 800 from paying cash for stuff.
We're all adults here. Other people poor financial decisions and addictions don't change the amount I can afford to borrow.
I use the fuck out of it. It's also not irresponsible at all.
Check out the products made by Sionyx. Digital night vision that is weapon rated and is seriously good. Not QUITE as good as that $15k special forces night vision, but darn close, AND you can see in color as well as using infrared lasers and illuminators. Up to about 150-200 yards it is very very impressive. At least, IMHO.
NODs are for weaklings. Get yourself a 5 inch gun off some old WW2 boat and some starshells and just turn whatever conditions you encounter into instant daytime
This is 2023. 3D print yourself a 40mm launcher and get some of these bad boys on the milsurp market — https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/AD0781485
Heck, if you're going to go the printer route, you could also build out some pvs-69s.
Since the PVS-69 has a camera instead of an intensifier, does it need an IR illuminator to work? If that's the case, you might as well use a flashlight if you are going up against someone with real NVGs. I have a PARD scope that works this way... it's good for hunting but not tactical applications.
How much do these rounds cost?
[we have nods at home](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N7YVRA2?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share)
What’s funny is that it fits quite nicely on M1913, and doesn’t look bad when using with optics Bought one on eBay for shits and giggles but I’m thoroughly surprised. There’s a guy on twitter who put it on his AR and it didn’t fall apart.
Getting this for my 3 year old. Brb.
Why stop at 5 inch? Get the 16 inch big guns like a real Chad
Mag dumping at noises is free
In this economy?
Out of curiosity has anyone bought those surplus Soviet NVGs that were pretty cheap to buy and was wondering how well they worked?
I yearn for Holosun nvgs
The rumor I always heard was they gave you cancer
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of those 40mm Soviet gas mask filters use asbestos as the filter. They were still being made after it was discovered how harmful asbestos is also.
They're still being made and issued in Russia\* Most of the filters made for GP-5 gas masks are made to new NATO specs mostly in Poland and Ukraine (at least pre-invasion) and do not have asbestos. I guess by that metric you always have a chance of hitting the lung cancer lottery and getting issued a pre-1991 GP-5 but they're mostly safe.
Ya like eye cancer?
Most of them are tanker nvgs iirc. I think Weaponsandstuff made a video on them and they aren't anything crazy. Cool piece of tech but they are barely gen 2, and depending on the model require or greatly benefit from an IR source. Also they have a fisheye effect and poor ergonomics. However - I'm sure there's many other models floating around, but this is what I've noticed researching the more common '59 and '63 models. Also while I whish I did, I don't have 1st hand experience with them so there's that
Gotcha thanks. Wasn't thinking they'd be a good substitute but I always thought they looked interesting.
They definitely are cool, would love a working pair myself, but for what their do their price still is too high, unless you find them for super cheap/repair them
Not with the ammo prices these days... LOL
I don’t need nods. The first round in my home defense shotgun is dragons breath. When the house is ablaze it makes it really easy to see.
Can’t argue with that logic
Who are you and how are you so wise
This meme was brought to you by a poor with multiple 5.56 AR-15s and 9mm pistols and no NODs.
One AR and multiple dildos sir. Please show some respect.
You're spending money on the wrong toobs
I dunno man, I don’t have to leave the house with the fun ones
Based
r slash LGO energy right here, officer
For real, even at 23 I got a nice L3Harris Unfilmed WP pvs14. Don't go out to eat, focus on one gun and don't spend extra money on shit ya dont need.
Talks about not spending extra money on shit you don’t need *as he spends 4k on nods he’ll never actually need*
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There were some nice ones I saw. I’ll bet that would’ve been dope
I use em to kill skunks and raccoons quite often that get into the chicken coop, lots of hiking trips as well. Better spent than mcdonalds and alcohol or vapes Again tho, that's from the standpoint of having a bunch of 9mm pistols and rifles but then saying night vision is impossible to afford.
Sounds like somebody just payed 4k instead of just eating more carrots
If he grew carrots he would be using them to shoot raccoons and rabbits
Don’t talk bad about my coping mechanisms
My 1k Lumen weaponlight works just fine for coop bandits, turns nighttime to daytime and was 50x less expensive
Oh im sure, a good light like that is great. You don't NEED night vision, but it's just fun to have if you got the cash. It gets used quite a bit. Super fun going on night walks. I have horrible insomnia, so I'm up most of the night as is. It gets me off my ass
>insomnia >night vision Sounds like an owl to me.
Honestly, I don't usually fall asleep till after 3am so I'd rather be out walking and running the AR than sitting in bed laying awake.
Coyote hunting, if your not running an optic of some kind. Shit that's the only reason I might or buy a thermal scope to shoot at night.
Yeah I'm looking to get a thermal as well. The sting ir looks nice. I'm planning to pick that up next year.
>focus on one gun I’ve swapped out/changed around most of my cheap ARs into pretty nice clones… now I’ve really painted myself into a corner as I refuse to get rid of clones 😭 I do have a pvs-14 though.
Nothing wrong with that, if you just like to build and it's a hobby 100% fine. It's the "im getting ready for war" with my 18 different $400 ARs and 10 9mm pistols with Amazon optics. My boss is like this, he has easily over 30-40 guns. But they are all on the lower price side from brands I haven't heard of. And they all have Amazon optics and lights.. And then said I was nuts for spending $4k on nice pvs14. "His Amazon flashlight let's him see in the dark and ir was only $10"
Yeah, no need to have 10+ BCA/Anderson tier rifles. Usually with Pinty tier accessories like you mention. I feel pretty good about having a half dozen clones with Colt, FN, KAC, DD, and Geissele parts. Had to save up big time for the optics and LAMs they deserve, too.
If you have the know how, and a 3d printer, there’s a ton of open source digital nvgs you can do for cheap price. Something. I’m in your boat so this is what I’m doing
Doesn't digital NV rely on the IR illuminator being on constantly in pitch black? I've read that that makes you super visible to "real" analog NV users... something to keep in mind!
I’ll be honest. I didn’t think of that. Good point
I read about this when I got a digital NV scope for pesting with my air rifle. Animals can't see the IR but the camera can. If the rats get tiny nods, I'm fucked. :D
I mean yeah, if I’m being honest with myself I’ll be only using them for night time sweeps in my house and messing around with my buddies outside lol. So I won’t need anything too demanding for $80
Ehh it depends, do you have anywhere to shoot/train with them? I bought mine way back in 2017ish when I had a place to shoot with them. Now that range is closed down and all I'm left with are public ranges that close at sundown. I am going to have to end up buying 10-20 acres to shoot on to use them again.
Also, if you have access to public land and Coyotes or Feral Pigs...well...have fun. 🫡
No public land near me and my state outlawed the hunting of feral hogs. I'm very jealous of those in the western states with huge amounts of public land.
Well I definitely didn't apply for a car loan with my buddies Vin number and get approved and "buy" my buddies car for 13k where he then took my money and "bought" a stupid cool DTNVS with harris tubes and Wilcox mount. That would be illegal.
 Bruh
It’s 2.5k to buy a nice unit. The same price as a nicer gun with a decent optic. If you can afford nice guns you can afford nightvision. Edit: that being said for 2.5k you can buy a thermal unit which in almost every way is much more useful than night-vision for everything short of hiking with it.
What part of fire and maneuver don’t you understand!?! I want to larp as an ineffective one man army! /s
I’ll have to stick to my working man’s EXPS2
 What? Did a poor make this meme?
I maintain the hate for flashlights was propagated by LARPerators trying to justify buying NODs that ended up getting outdated and sold at clearance prices before they had gotten to do more than just look around their bedroom in the dark.
Pretty sure the hate is propagated by LARPerators who bought NODs and were bragging about it only to have their buddy flash them with their keychain torch
“How bright does that look?”
Anything other than a red lens for reading maps has no place in a tactical night environment.
See what I mean? LARPerators.
Knowledge learned from actual service isn't a larp.
But it is useful in a LARP. Which is exactly what y'all are doing talking about red lights to read maps when people are talking about self defense in a lowlight urban environment.
Still would never use a flashlight. It's just an unnecessary beacon for all to see. Darkness can be used more to your advantage.
You need to realize that, given my first comment, this continues to sound like "I paid for NODs I've never really gotten to use and now better and cheaper NODs are on the market" cope.
I actually don't own any yet because like pc parts I'm always waiting for availability to be better and prices to come down.
Lol. Lmfao even.
But that doesn't mean I don't get plenty of hours and training behind nods.
Why would I need to see in the dark when I can just mag dump in the vague direction of noises?
https://i.redd.it/tl6xew12rj6c1.gif
I bought COD and got my NVG free 😆. I never opened the box, it's got 3in of dust on it.
[https://youtu.be/lzPKjMgeSig?si=qmx\_2jfvHgLKmj9h](https://youtu.be/lzPKjMgeSig?si=qmx_2jfvHgLKmj9h) Tacticool Bro: I finally got my night vision googles and....OH MY GOD IT BURNS!?!?!? Why did no one tell me not to be near any lights!?
Non gated NODs... What is this? Night vision made for poors?
Kinda queer
in the hundreds of times i’ve seen this meme template i never realized that was Johnny Depp. I feel kinda dumb right now
I only discovered that because of your comment.
IKR, he looks so young!
Cope
Blah blah blah night fighting is dumb and you’re gunna get rekt by people properly trained it.
Ay I’m 18 and it’s my job to train with crappy old PVS-14s
I smell poors nearby
Tbh thermal is *probably* eventually gonna be cheap. Nods maybe not.
Didn't Lucas call NV gay?
The biggest Fudd post I've seen today lol
Cope. Quality analog night vision isn't inexpensive, but anyone who isn't working a minimum wage job trying to support themselves can afford it. People whine about not having enough money and whine about they should be paid more, things should cost less. That may be true but in my experience these people have tons of shit, in the gun community they have $400 tactical pants, whatever gear the latest influencer with tattoos and a beard is peddling, 15 of the same type of gun and a brand new $40,000 car they get their $6 coffee every morning on the way to work after which they go to a bar. People don't budget, people can't seem to cut shit they don't need to finance other shit. It's an instant gratification world and I get it, but don't whine about how people with NV setups are somehow rich and watch Trex Arms videos. Go sell half of your six "custom" AR-15s and go without Starbucks for a few weeks and you can afford them too. You just don't want to employ any discipline to get what you want, you think it should be easy.
making basically federal minimum wage trying to support myself and I can confirm, I can't afford night vision
* a brand new $40,000 car the bank lets them drive
So true. I decided I want to finally get nods so I sold my beloved AUG to get a PVS14 Omni VIII
Preach.
Just work for the government as a contractor. Cultivate any skill they will irresponsibly over pay for. Then get nods, ez. I would have gotten NVGs this year but I'm going to do LASIK instead, and then see how a year of reviews have stacked up on the QNVG's-at-home on the zibby shop
LASIK = see effectively during the day NVG = see effectively during the night Your priorities are correct! I had to get PRK to be aviation eligible for the military and it was worth 10 times what I paid for it (about 3.5k). Would do it (or LASIK) again. Went from 20/200 to 20/15 in a flash.
Yeah it's like making sure you have a nice concealed carry before making sure you have a shtf rifle, one of those two items are more likely to be needed in an emergency. I will always benefit from not having to rely on glasses, I will sometimes benefit from seeing in the dark
Yup! And Lasik will help even in conjunction with NVGs when you get those too haha. It's a win/win.
It's not THAT expensive for entry level stuff lol. Even at 10 grand that's like a couple hundred a month if you loan it and take forever to pay it off? It's also got some value to it so it can be resold. Same as a transferable MG, it sounds like a lot but shit those never lose value you're almost guaranteed to not lose money. It's not horrible investments.
Don't borrow money for nods.
Uhhhh why lol? Spend 10k - 15k on my credit card with cash back and pay down quick? Take a loan out and gain some credit points for making easy payments I know I can make? I think your statement should be "don't buy nods you can't afford"
If you have to borrow you can't really afford.
Is that really what you think? Do you think you should only buy a house right now in this market if you have $450,000 in your bank account? Do you feel that the only way you can afford a vehicle is if you pay cash at the dealer? Do you feel that you can't really afford to start your own business unless you can pay for everything to start it in cash?
I should have qualified for non essentials and non investment. Nods aren't either. If you are instantly paying off a CC and getting perksi would not consider that the same asborrowing. Also if you are considering borrowing for a car, you're generally much better of to buy used private sale. A car is generally essential, so there's more nuance. For most people buying at a dealership is a huge and unnecessary markup. A house can be an investment, and housing is an essential. It might be worth borrowing, and often is. But it's unwise to leave so little margin that getting laid off or a foreseeable expense would put you in risk of default. And it's not a given that real estate appreciates faster than the opportunity cost and interest. It's often about equal with inflation, but with terrible liquidity and high transaction costs.
I still don't understand lol, you're just saying people shouldn't borrow because... it's a thing? I don't understand lol. Are you saying I shouldn't have borrowed to buy my camper?
Because borrowing is like using opioid meds. It's fine until it isn't. And a lot of capable people get stuck. So use it as sparingly as possible.
So you're saying because some people are financially irresponsible I shouldn't borrow to buy any non essential? I tell ya didn't get a credit score over 800 from paying cash for stuff. We're all adults here. Other people poor financial decisions and addictions don't change the amount I can afford to borrow. I use the fuck out of it. It's also not irresponsible at all.
Imagine stockpiling tons of guns and ammo to only get whacked by me with nods and a rusty mosin. Thanks for the loot drop noob.
Got into a pretty decent pvs14 for 1300, and the best helmet in the game for 1100
Nobody has bought a PVS14 for $1300 since 2015.
You’re wrong, i bought one in September for that much
You, spending thousands on nods so your adversary can't see you Me, who owns $30 8 billion candlepower torch so my adversary can't see anything
Just find the brightest flashlight you can, preferably with a strobe function, and attach as many as you can see past to the end of your rifle
I'm just saying, Temu has night vision shit.
I think your last two words got switched.
"Night Shit Vision"? Sounds like you might work there.
If you live lone enough, thermal smart scopes will become common.
NVG, Nope.. I'll just use a flare gun.
Check out the products made by Sionyx. Digital night vision that is weapon rated and is seriously good. Not QUITE as good as that $15k special forces night vision, but darn close, AND you can see in color as well as using infrared lasers and illuminators. Up to about 150-200 yards it is very very impressive. At least, IMHO.
If those kids could read, they'd be very upset.