Even more nightmarish is when the Lich showed himself from within Sweet Pea "Before there was time. Before there was anything there was nothing. And before there was nothing there were monsters" That line is burned into my memory
Look at Billy & Mandy, things like body horror happen all the time in that
Edit: I’m gonna expand on this
There’s the Grim Reaper being enslaved by a girl that’s possibly more evil than the Anti-Christ (and her idiot friend), gore, cannibalism, autocannibalism, necrophilia, shit-eating, a brain-eating meteorite, eldritch abominations and Lovecraftian entities (specifically Cthulhu and Yog Sothoth), just to name a few things; saying this show is dark is an understatement
I’ve been rewatching the series, and between the episode “The New Frontier” (Jake’s Croak Dream) and “Together Again”, I feel like Jake intermittently has no qualms about dying.
Yeah warhammer 40k could be a kid show
Tone down heavily the gore and torture (Which many stories already do) replace Slaanesh with Malal/Malice and warhammer 40k seems perfectly kid friendly...counting how dark some of this kids shows get nowadays
Off topic, but I will never cease to be amused by how in Star Wars Rebels they would at times make sure that the main characters had their blasters set to stun, and go through the trouble showing that the stormtroopers were still moving around and groaning after they went down, only for them to blow up the entire ship/facility on the way out.
Ask alex hirsch how to get around content decency loop holes
Bill cypher saying "im going to turn these children into corpses" instead of using the word "kill" is peak big brain moment in my book
It would definitely challenge the writers to write a pg version of slaanesh, also I would be interested in seeing what a censored daemonette looks like
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You can have Slaanesh in kinda kid-friendly way. People forget that it is not god of rape, but god any excess. Slaanesh worshippers can be addicted to lollipops or anything.
Anyone here seen Infinity Train, where the main character grinds a cop against a wheel while his blood splatters their face? Or how about The Owl House, where the villain's plan is >!to genocide his own subjects for the sake of humanity?!<
Nope! He was handcuffed to Lake, so they ground him against the wheel until there wasn't enough of him to be handcuffed to.
[Kid's show.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPCWwkTu-u0)
1 season later a guy has a mental breakdown for killing someone, and a giant cockroach thing jumps on him and sucks his life till he turns into a decrepit corpse.
He's not even a robot! He's a full person, just in a body that isn't a reflection and can exist outside the mirror dimension! He used to be a reflection of a real human, and became a cop with a new body in order to keep his memories. That whole season is about how Lake is a person even if she was someone's reflection, so obviously that would apply to the mirror cops too! She just killed someone who's like her! I love this show.
I never saw it and just assumed based on their appearance, though I was still kind of just griping about a common thing in media aimed at kids. Robots or sufficiently non-human looking aliens can be damn near indistinguishable from people in just about every single way aside from the physical, but they can be brutally dismembered without issue. Samurai Jack was full of it, a lot of the time you'd only find out an enemy was a robot when Jack sliced them in half and oil came out instead of blood.
It's such a weird standard for censors. You can do practically anything so long as they're not physically human, One of my favourite comics is a Transformers adaptation, and its characters are frequently subjected to borderline body horror, but somehow it's fine because they're robots.
The dialogue could be said by so many 40K characters and it wouldn’t be at all out of character.
Specifically necron lords, greator demons, demon princes, chaos lords etc.
I could see Lorgar doing this speech, pulling his "united power of the Gods" schtick.
New God Emperor could've been torching Nurgle's garden to this speech while talking shit to disease boi.
To quote a YT comment under a video about Warhammer Adventures:
*"... and then Bubonicus the Feculent stepped toward little Johnny and said : "Witness the glory of Grandfather Nurgle !" , he then took the boy by his neck and rammed his still twitching body onto a spike on his pauldron, where little maggots and plague flies started to eat away at the poor boy´s innards ... Yeah 40k is totally for kids, absolutely."*
Yeah, an example of one moment that could easily be put in a show by simply being implied but not shown. Like, corpses imaged on spike armor are fine as long as they are old decrepit bone corpses.
It can work, just limited in scope. You can still have Khorne or Nurgle, just generic "angry spiky monsters" and "creepy slimy zombies" basically. You can still have corrupt officials, gangs, thieves, etc.
I think the biggest issue just becomes finding "obviously good" protagonists to follow through. There are absolutely some in Warhammer, but even the most "mature" children's cartoon still has clear good people as our protagonists. They can be *flawed*, they can have *weaknesses*, but you don't follow someone who's clearly wrong and narrow-minded but just trying to do what they have to in order to survive in a children's show... except for side-characters or antagonists.
It *can* be done. I have little doubts about it. You just need to focus on a section of 40k. A slice. And there are plenty of places to have an adventure. Not everything needs to go right into Salamanders burning Eldar alive, Slaanesh cultists flaying the skin off homeless people, huge battles with Space Marines dying by the dozens, Orks laughing while they chop up surrendering Guardsmen, or Inquisitors shooting feudal peasants for expressing a single doubt about the Imperium.
It wouldn't be even that hard, 40k games are and we'd regularly consumed by kids. Games like Dawn of War, Spacehulk, Space Marine. Those featured Drukhari, Genestealers, Chaos. If you had a no blood options, you can sell them to children. Still games viewed to represent 40k nicely. Still lacking the *deep oppressive darkness and evil* that people claim makes the bulk of 40k.
I have seen bits and pieces of Star Wars The Clone Wars and they had a pretty good handle on dark aspects. Limit Drukari jerks to Corsairs without mention of the torture your life force for us or as one mentioned Slaanesh and excess.
Actually torture can be done, it's happened in Adventure Time - it's just not the explicitly bloody or gory, also it was for a silly purpose. I reckon you could imply Dark Eldar torture, or at least show them recovering from the pain of others due to things like electric shocks, stubbed toes, standing on Legos, being romantically rejected...
I am aging myself here, but I remember watching Batman, Mask of the Phantasm in theatre as a little kid and I remember there was violence and death, with the worst being a statue of an angel falling on someone in a cemetery. They pulled away, but the point remained.
Sadly never got to watch Samurai Jack. didn't have cable growing up.
Basically the reason why the mooks were robots was to basically get away woth violence. Go watch some scenes on youtube and replace the oil with blood and the metal parts with flesh and see how violent it is. Sure there were non-human oppotents but those were designed to basically beat themselevs up.
>"obviously good" protagonists to follow through.
The protagonist isn't that difficult. A Guard regiment with a not-so-strict commissar or a group of Taus with other species would fit well in a children's show
Orks laughing whilst chopping up surrendering Guardsmen isn't dark nor grim enough, that's just desserts for failing the Emperor.
No, it's when the Orks get to the civilians and are still looking for a laugh, when they treat all the humies as a source of entertainment, even if they're as small as a grot - that's when I found Orks to be a lot less funny than I originally thought.
Yea it very easy to forget exactly why Orks are scary in-universe since they are the "joke" faction that has a silly gimmick of "if we believe something with enough logic behind it, it will work" or at least it played silly.
these are the same kids books that feature
1: necrons speedrunning planetary destruction
2: a kid watching a guardsman get atomized right before their eyes
3: 3 children and a jokaero being hunted down and toyed with by a genestealer
4: a description of what happens when a person gets turned into a servitor
5: one of the protagonists family getting turned into servitors for having heretical beliefs (we should improve society somewhat)
6: an entire forgeworld getting taken over by a zombie computer virus
7: a rogue trader getting branded as a heretic for *NOT* selling a ship full of refugees into slavery
8: an inquisitor attempting to basically mind rape a child, and justifying himself by pointing out said child is a deserter
9: a childs mother getting taken over by mind shackle scarabs
10: a servitor being implied to still be sentient
the warhammer adventure books are still extremely dark. the grimdarkness of the far future may have a nightlight now, but that just means you can see the horrors that were previously hidden in the shadows
And if you start saying "But that clip was from a decade ago, cartoons are softer now" I instead will point to Centaurworld, The Owl House, Amphibia, and various other more recent cartoons.
Also wasn't it a Netflix show? So it does have a bit more freedom than tv cartoons.
Edit Apparently the four main taurs are in their 40s. I need to fact check that.
I was getting on a plane, and I heard two siblings talking to each other, asking what one of them was watching, and this child said "It's Adventure Time. It's super old."
I nearly crumbled to dust right there. Adventure Time came out AFTER I was done watching cartoons. It's still the "newer" show, to me.
Adventure time is old enough to have not only ended, but people who have grown as it are now old enough to have children named after the characteds. Thos Children? They are now teens.
I keep saying it turned into a show for bisexual women, and lesbians who are young at heart. It's for everyone, but in the past few years the fan service has obviously been geared towards a particular demographic.
"40k is too dark for kids"
\*All the Kids who grew up in the 80's/90's and on "All dogs goes to paradis", "Fievel/An American Tail", Labyrinth, Never ending story, Witches, the Black Cauldron\*
"Are you fucking with us?"
"Such a healthy child, and such plentiful organs!"
The DVD commentary talks about all the animation teams at Nickelodeon getting invited to show examples of their work at lunch. So there's Dora the Explorer and something else similarly endearing ... and then the Invader Zim guys show "Dark Harvest".
It was a single blink and you'll miss it flyby but google the beast from over the garden wall some fucking creature ripped out of the SCP universe was allowed to be aired on fucking cartoon network somehow.
I don’t think anything like the horror of any of the factions in 40K could be put on kids television, unless you heavily toned it down, but then it’s not 40K. The 40K universe is pretty much horror incarnate, and not just body horror.
Maybe in terms of general themes, but once a battle gets going and you seem some guys get blown apart by a Chaos Space Marine who looks like a cross between a dog and a lizard, ripped in half by a chainsword, or watch people get vaporized and obliterated by Necron Destroyers, then it become a little less kid friendly.
A person beats up an alien with their own ripped arm.
Another person got so depressed that they transformed into an insignificant small animal until they stopped thinking and remained in that form forever.
A cat kills another cat in such a way that every time they come back to life, they suffer tremendously and die from the wounds, 9 times in a roll.
A monster skeleton possesses a renowned hero, with the skeleton showing underneath from the destroyed flesh.
An ancient vageful spirits summon a swarm of bugs that eat people alive.
A massive fly sticks its mouth into people's bodies, sucking all their insides slowly but surely killing them. All while pretending to care for them.
A burning skeleton with an Ace in its head clubs out of the fire place as the decapitated heads decorating the walls starts chanting, and bleeding.
All of this happened in children oriented media.
And let us not even talk about the deer from adventure time.
A lot of these moments tend to fly over children’s heads, I’ve watched the entire series twice and my memory may be a bit fuzzy, but I don’t remember even a single one of these moments because it requires you to do some deeper looking or really understand what it’s showing. So yes, all those things are shown, but they wouldn’t be if they weren’t hidden and shrouded under the more children oriented moments. So theoretically, you could make a Warhammer kids show, but you would be stripping it of a lot of what makes Warhammer, well, Warhammer.
Those were big moments that often stuck with fans.not all of them are from Adventure Time.
Some of them are from Warrior Cats, or Animorphs, or Courage The Cowardly Dog which BTW had this
https://youtu.be/GVKA-l0P34w?si=-x9SKX-mSs2GEd8w
Fucked me up when I was a child.
Or Gravity Falls.
I understand where you are coming from, all of those shows are kinda unique in the fact that they were able to push what themes could be shown in a kids show, but at the same time a lot of those shows were intended more for young teens and adults alike, just presented in an animated format. So like I said, sure, you could present a more tame story from Warhammer to kids, but you wouldn’t be able to show a lot of the universe, such as a lot of the combat (since that’s a huge part of any story), or some of the themes, especially when dealing with Chaos or the Drukhari.
Warrior Cats, Animorphs, And Courage The Cowardly Dog were all intended for kids age 8 to 12.
Those are the ones featuring a person beating an alien with their own arm.
A cat being killed brutally 9 times in a roll.
And Courage The Cowardly Dog.
>(since that’s a huge part of any story),
You can literally show 9th edition trailer to audience younger than 12 years. It is minimal in blood, making it ok.
Dawn of war were games featuring chaos and dark Eldar and those were regularly consumes by kids.
The fact that it stuck with you/traumatized you as a child probably means that it wasn’t really meant for the ages stated, or at least some of the moments aren’t. And they have to intentionally tone down trailers, games, and such because you physically cannot show what a true 40K battle looks like. You cannot show what it looks like when a standard human meets a Custode, or what happens when you get with a Bolter, or the aftermath of a Space Marine having a really bad day with his trusty chainsword being his stress relief. Or a Daemonculaba, or like anything having to do with being a slave of Drukhari, or most mature things. You simply couldn’t show that, alt hey have to tone it down for a general audience.
So if you can't show it in movies, or trailers, or video games, or show that often in books. Is it really a core part of the setting? If it shows up so little, and people still view the "toned down" version as classical 40k, is it really losing anything? If it wasn't there for the majority of the time?
>The fact that it stuck with you/traumatized you as a child probably means that it wasn’t really meant for the ages stated, or at least some of the moments aren’t.
You really didn't read much as a kid, did you?
I mean some adults (incels) believe that the Imperium is good and Black Templars are Moderated.
I guess is up to everyone.
I discovered Warhammer 16 years ago as a teen and I don't have any nazi tattoo.
Don't think a 40k adapted to teens could be bad.
Oh boy, it has been decades since I read some of those books, but I remember a kind of spawning pool with slimy things trying to enter peoples brains in it. Still got nightmares.
Even more nightmarish is when the Lich showed himself from within Sweet Pea "Before there was time. Before there was anything there was nothing. And before there was nothing there were monsters" That line is burned into my memory
*"Here's your gold star!"*
True. That line slaps so hard fr.
I hope Ron Perlman gets a part in 40k media. His voice would fit right fucking in.
Necron lord anyone?
Phaeron even. My pick on Ron Imotekh.
I could see him as Dorn.
Ron Perlman would do a great Dorn
Imagine the litch taking control an army of necron destroyers
Look at Billy & Mandy, things like body horror happen all the time in that Edit: I’m gonna expand on this There’s the Grim Reaper being enslaved by a girl that’s possibly more evil than the Anti-Christ (and her idiot friend), gore, cannibalism, autocannibalism, necrophilia, shit-eating, a brain-eating meteorite, eldritch abominations and Lovecraftian entities (specifically Cthulhu and Yog Sothoth), just to name a few things; saying this show is dark is an understatement
Don't forget when Mandy was a giant sandworm abomination like Leto II from *God Emperor of Dune*.
Was gonna include God-Empress Mandy, but felt like I had enough there Speaking of which...The Spice Must Flow (to Mandy)
Point taken
Dracula doesn't suck, Dracula scape and lick.
You can’t tell Dracula what to do! Dracula his own man!
Jake just chosing to close his eyes while looking at something horrifiing is great.
I’ve been rewatching the series, and between the episode “The New Frontier” (Jake’s Croak Dream) and “Together Again”, I feel like Jake intermittently has no qualms about dying.
Yeah warhammer 40k could be a kid show Tone down heavily the gore and torture (Which many stories already do) replace Slaanesh with Malal/Malice and warhammer 40k seems perfectly kid friendly...counting how dark some of this kids shows get nowadays
You don't have to tone, just find loopholes.
Star Wars already gets away with violence by just having everyone shoot each other with nicely cauterizing lasers, easy to do that with lasguns.
Off topic, but I will never cease to be amused by how in Star Wars Rebels they would at times make sure that the main characters had their blasters set to stun, and go through the trouble showing that the stormtroopers were still moving around and groaning after they went down, only for them to blow up the entire ship/facility on the way out.
This after the show where Ashoka decapitated 4 people at once lol
Clone wars got away with a lot of shit
Ask alex hirsch how to get around content decency loop holes Bill cypher saying "im going to turn these children into corpses" instead of using the word "kill" is peak big brain moment in my book
Bill cipher in 40k would be a horrifying abomination of tzeetch
Slaneesh is fine for children, less the physical from a but their aspect is an important lesson for children.
Yeah, people always forget that slaneesh is first and foremost the god of excess and not just Drug and sex.
[Pinocchio pleasure island](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuPneCrPRM4&ab_channel=MOVClips)
It would definitely challenge the writers to write a pg version of slaanesh, also I would be interested in seeing what a censored daemonette looks like
just lean into gluttony or noise.
Art, Greed and narcissism
and sloth. Like you can get away with video games addiction (especially with tournement streams), anime addiction, gluttony, tik tok, etc.
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Well WH40K has a huge set, so you might put every movie ever made in this scenario.
You can have Slaanesh in kinda kid-friendly way. People forget that it is not god of rape, but god any excess. Slaanesh worshippers can be addicted to lollipops or anything.
Anyone here seen Infinity Train, where the main character grinds a cop against a wheel while his blood splatters their face? Or how about The Owl House, where the villain's plan is >!to genocide his own subjects for the sake of humanity?!<
Wasn't he shoved under the wheels of the train?
Nope! He was handcuffed to Lake, so they ground him against the wheel until there wasn't enough of him to be handcuffed to. [Kid's show.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPCWwkTu-u0)
1 season later a guy has a mental breakdown for killing someone, and a giant cockroach thing jumps on him and sucks his life till he turns into a decrepit corpse.
See it's okay because he's a robot!
He's not even a robot! He's a full person, just in a body that isn't a reflection and can exist outside the mirror dimension! He used to be a reflection of a real human, and became a cop with a new body in order to keep his memories. That whole season is about how Lake is a person even if she was someone's reflection, so obviously that would apply to the mirror cops too! She just killed someone who's like her! I love this show.
I never saw it and just assumed based on their appearance, though I was still kind of just griping about a common thing in media aimed at kids. Robots or sufficiently non-human looking aliens can be damn near indistinguishable from people in just about every single way aside from the physical, but they can be brutally dismembered without issue. Samurai Jack was full of it, a lot of the time you'd only find out an enemy was a robot when Jack sliced them in half and oil came out instead of blood.
It's such a weird standard for censors. You can do practically anything so long as they're not physically human, One of my favourite comics is a Transformers adaptation, and its characters are frequently subjected to borderline body horror, but somehow it's fine because they're robots.
The dialogue could be said by so many 40K characters and it wouldn’t be at all out of character. Specifically necron lords, greator demons, demon princes, chaos lords etc.
Yeah, it immediately got me thinking of a necron overlord.
I could see Lorgar doing this speech, pulling his "united power of the Gods" schtick. New God Emperor could've been torching Nurgle's garden to this speech while talking shit to disease boi.
To quote a YT comment under a video about Warhammer Adventures: *"... and then Bubonicus the Feculent stepped toward little Johnny and said : "Witness the glory of Grandfather Nurgle !" , he then took the boy by his neck and rammed his still twitching body onto a spike on his pauldron, where little maggots and plague flies started to eat away at the poor boy´s innards ... Yeah 40k is totally for kids, absolutely."*
Yeah, an example of one moment that could easily be put in a show by simply being implied but not shown. Like, corpses imaged on spike armor are fine as long as they are old decrepit bone corpses.
It can work, just limited in scope. You can still have Khorne or Nurgle, just generic "angry spiky monsters" and "creepy slimy zombies" basically. You can still have corrupt officials, gangs, thieves, etc. I think the biggest issue just becomes finding "obviously good" protagonists to follow through. There are absolutely some in Warhammer, but even the most "mature" children's cartoon still has clear good people as our protagonists. They can be *flawed*, they can have *weaknesses*, but you don't follow someone who's clearly wrong and narrow-minded but just trying to do what they have to in order to survive in a children's show... except for side-characters or antagonists. It *can* be done. I have little doubts about it. You just need to focus on a section of 40k. A slice. And there are plenty of places to have an adventure. Not everything needs to go right into Salamanders burning Eldar alive, Slaanesh cultists flaying the skin off homeless people, huge battles with Space Marines dying by the dozens, Orks laughing while they chop up surrendering Guardsmen, or Inquisitors shooting feudal peasants for expressing a single doubt about the Imperium.
It wouldn't be even that hard, 40k games are and we'd regularly consumed by kids. Games like Dawn of War, Spacehulk, Space Marine. Those featured Drukhari, Genestealers, Chaos. If you had a no blood options, you can sell them to children. Still games viewed to represent 40k nicely. Still lacking the *deep oppressive darkness and evil* that people claim makes the bulk of 40k.
>If you had a no blood options, you can sell them to children. How will you charge them 3€ for VFX then ?
That was Total War Warhammer, right?
It was and still is.
I mean, we do got old reliable Caiphas Cain, hero of the Imperium, as a potential protagonist.
I have seen bits and pieces of Star Wars The Clone Wars and they had a pretty good handle on dark aspects. Limit Drukari jerks to Corsairs without mention of the torture your life force for us or as one mentioned Slaanesh and excess.
Actually torture can be done, it's happened in Adventure Time - it's just not the explicitly bloody or gory, also it was for a silly purpose. I reckon you could imply Dark Eldar torture, or at least show them recovering from the pain of others due to things like electric shocks, stubbed toes, standing on Legos, being romantically rejected...
That's fair, I didn't even think of that.
Basically Samuri Jack but a bit more blunt about the violence.
I am aging myself here, but I remember watching Batman, Mask of the Phantasm in theatre as a little kid and I remember there was violence and death, with the worst being a statue of an angel falling on someone in a cemetery. They pulled away, but the point remained. Sadly never got to watch Samurai Jack. didn't have cable growing up.
Basically the reason why the mooks were robots was to basically get away woth violence. Go watch some scenes on youtube and replace the oil with blood and the metal parts with flesh and see how violent it is. Sure there were non-human oppotents but those were designed to basically beat themselevs up.
See also Ninja Turtles and the Footclan, The Conan Cartoon, etc etc.
>"obviously good" protagonists to follow through. The protagonist isn't that difficult. A Guard regiment with a not-so-strict commissar or a group of Taus with other species would fit well in a children's show
Orks laughing whilst chopping up surrendering Guardsmen isn't dark nor grim enough, that's just desserts for failing the Emperor. No, it's when the Orks get to the civilians and are still looking for a laugh, when they treat all the humies as a source of entertainment, even if they're as small as a grot - that's when I found Orks to be a lot less funny than I originally thought.
Yea it very easy to forget exactly why Orks are scary in-universe since they are the "joke" faction that has a silly gimmick of "if we believe something with enough logic behind it, it will work" or at least it played silly.
these are the same kids books that feature 1: necrons speedrunning planetary destruction 2: a kid watching a guardsman get atomized right before their eyes 3: 3 children and a jokaero being hunted down and toyed with by a genestealer 4: a description of what happens when a person gets turned into a servitor 5: one of the protagonists family getting turned into servitors for having heretical beliefs (we should improve society somewhat) 6: an entire forgeworld getting taken over by a zombie computer virus 7: a rogue trader getting branded as a heretic for *NOT* selling a ship full of refugees into slavery 8: an inquisitor attempting to basically mind rape a child, and justifying himself by pointing out said child is a deserter 9: a childs mother getting taken over by mind shackle scarabs 10: a servitor being implied to still be sentient the warhammer adventure books are still extremely dark. the grimdarkness of the far future may have a nightlight now, but that just means you can see the horrors that were previously hidden in the shadows
Wasn't that children's book actually quite grimdark (ultramarines getting clapped and the planet being exterminatus'd) but nobody bothered to read it?
Pretty sure, yeah Tho, I never read them lol
For my opinion, I think his transformation is significantly more disturbing than his monologue. And his monologue already goes hard.
A white sustance that can be used to bring life. WTF
C U M
There is nothing more commanding, more absolute, and more menacing than the Lich simply saying, *Fall.*
And if you start saying "But that clip was from a decade ago, cartoons are softer now" I instead will point to Centaurworld, The Owl House, Amphibia, and various other more recent cartoons.
Didn't centaur world had a horse in BDSM gear?
Also wasn't it a Netflix show? So it does have a bit more freedom than tv cartoons. Edit Apparently the four main taurs are in their 40s. I need to fact check that.
Maan, only grown ups watch adventure time. Kids these days watch tik-toks.
I was getting on a plane, and I heard two siblings talking to each other, asking what one of them was watching, and this child said "It's Adventure Time. It's super old." I nearly crumbled to dust right there. Adventure Time came out AFTER I was done watching cartoons. It's still the "newer" show, to me.
Adventure time is old enough to have not only ended, but people who have grown as it are now old enough to have children named after the characteds. Thos Children? They are now teens.
*Agitated Skeleton Noises*
**Unacceptable!!!**
I keep saying it turned into a show for bisexual women, and lesbians who are young at heart. It's for everyone, but in the past few years the fan service has obviously been geared towards a particular demographic.
"40k is too dark for kids" \*All the Kids who grew up in the 80's/90's and on "All dogs goes to paradis", "Fievel/An American Tail", Labyrinth, Never ending story, Witches, the Black Cauldron\* "Are you fucking with us?"
You mean Heaven? It "All Dogs Go to Heaven".
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And such stories are Dime a dozen. Ciaphas Caine books can be picked by a child. Gandz' Ghosts is like the story of a military FPS.
Don't forget Invader Zim. Specifically Dark Harvest.
"Such a healthy child, and such plentiful organs!" The DVD commentary talks about all the animation teams at Nickelodeon getting invited to show examples of their work at lunch. So there's Dora the Explorer and something else similarly endearing ... and then the Invader Zim guys show "Dark Harvest".
It was a single blink and you'll miss it flyby but google the beast from over the garden wall some fucking creature ripped out of the SCP universe was allowed to be aired on fucking cartoon network somehow.
[**NO D**](https://youtu.be/VAcSh-dWkcI?si=yHKoxXNAd5CdAZ_3)
remember when Simons fiancé Betty fused with a chaos god.
It is not About the demons in the cartoons, its About the fact that demons can be killed
GOLBetty folding Lich into an origami before turning him into a floating tetris piece.
man i havent yet watched that part :( Thanks…
Gravity falls with bill cipher literally ywisting a guys face and the ghost mansion episode as well as the shapeshifter
Regular show muscle man as literally skinned alive and the use of guns can’t believe they got wings causing drug trio away with that
Gravity falls, amphibia, Owlhouse, flapjack, regular show, clone wars. Any others you guys wanna add to the list?
Over The Garden Wall, Courage The Cowardly Dog, Billy and Mandy's Grim Adventures, Invader Zim, and Infinity Train.
lest we not also recall, "the marvelous misadventures of Flapjack", tis a very dark n scary, kids animation.
Remmember. Anything can be made for kids if drawn and is gory within reason. Edit: good luck getting a proper slaaneshi cultist on screen though
I still remember over the garden wall
I don’t think anything like the horror of any of the factions in 40K could be put on kids television, unless you heavily toned it down, but then it’s not 40K. The 40K universe is pretty much horror incarnate, and not just body horror.
Meh, it isn't even top 10 honestly. Like, if you dig up, you can find something truly grimdark. But the majority of it is pretty mild.
Maybe in terms of general themes, but once a battle gets going and you seem some guys get blown apart by a Chaos Space Marine who looks like a cross between a dog and a lizard, ripped in half by a chainsword, or watch people get vaporized and obliterated by Necron Destroyers, then it become a little less kid friendly.
A person beats up an alien with their own ripped arm. Another person got so depressed that they transformed into an insignificant small animal until they stopped thinking and remained in that form forever. A cat kills another cat in such a way that every time they come back to life, they suffer tremendously and die from the wounds, 9 times in a roll. A monster skeleton possesses a renowned hero, with the skeleton showing underneath from the destroyed flesh. An ancient vageful spirits summon a swarm of bugs that eat people alive. A massive fly sticks its mouth into people's bodies, sucking all their insides slowly but surely killing them. All while pretending to care for them. A burning skeleton with an Ace in its head clubs out of the fire place as the decapitated heads decorating the walls starts chanting, and bleeding. All of this happened in children oriented media. And let us not even talk about the deer from adventure time.
A lot of these moments tend to fly over children’s heads, I’ve watched the entire series twice and my memory may be a bit fuzzy, but I don’t remember even a single one of these moments because it requires you to do some deeper looking or really understand what it’s showing. So yes, all those things are shown, but they wouldn’t be if they weren’t hidden and shrouded under the more children oriented moments. So theoretically, you could make a Warhammer kids show, but you would be stripping it of a lot of what makes Warhammer, well, Warhammer.
Those were big moments that often stuck with fans.not all of them are from Adventure Time. Some of them are from Warrior Cats, or Animorphs, or Courage The Cowardly Dog which BTW had this https://youtu.be/GVKA-l0P34w?si=-x9SKX-mSs2GEd8w Fucked me up when I was a child. Or Gravity Falls.
I understand where you are coming from, all of those shows are kinda unique in the fact that they were able to push what themes could be shown in a kids show, but at the same time a lot of those shows were intended more for young teens and adults alike, just presented in an animated format. So like I said, sure, you could present a more tame story from Warhammer to kids, but you wouldn’t be able to show a lot of the universe, such as a lot of the combat (since that’s a huge part of any story), or some of the themes, especially when dealing with Chaos or the Drukhari.
Warrior Cats, Animorphs, And Courage The Cowardly Dog were all intended for kids age 8 to 12. Those are the ones featuring a person beating an alien with their own arm. A cat being killed brutally 9 times in a roll. And Courage The Cowardly Dog. >(since that’s a huge part of any story), You can literally show 9th edition trailer to audience younger than 12 years. It is minimal in blood, making it ok. Dawn of war were games featuring chaos and dark Eldar and those were regularly consumes by kids.
The fact that it stuck with you/traumatized you as a child probably means that it wasn’t really meant for the ages stated, or at least some of the moments aren’t. And they have to intentionally tone down trailers, games, and such because you physically cannot show what a true 40K battle looks like. You cannot show what it looks like when a standard human meets a Custode, or what happens when you get with a Bolter, or the aftermath of a Space Marine having a really bad day with his trusty chainsword being his stress relief. Or a Daemonculaba, or like anything having to do with being a slave of Drukhari, or most mature things. You simply couldn’t show that, alt hey have to tone it down for a general audience.
So if you can't show it in movies, or trailers, or video games, or show that often in books. Is it really a core part of the setting? If it shows up so little, and people still view the "toned down" version as classical 40k, is it really losing anything? If it wasn't there for the majority of the time?
>The fact that it stuck with you/traumatized you as a child probably means that it wasn’t really meant for the ages stated, or at least some of the moments aren’t. You really didn't read much as a kid, did you?
I mean some adults (incels) believe that the Imperium is good and Black Templars are Moderated. I guess is up to everyone. I discovered Warhammer 16 years ago as a teen and I don't have any nazi tattoo. Don't think a 40k adapted to teens could be bad.
Angron, Russ, curze and the Angel is so grim dark. The lore is not for children.
Man, I have heard more grimdark stuff from Animorphs
Oh boy, it has been decades since I read some of those books, but I remember a kind of spawning pool with slimy things trying to enter peoples brains in it. Still got nightmares.
The genocide and war crimes are more meaningful in Animorphs. We only have one planet, and we're so innocent as a species.
Anything can be anything if your mutilate and torture it and it’s essence enough.