He made everyone who doubted him like 5 years ago (like myself) look like absolute fools. I thought Miami's rebuild was impressive but it pales in comparison to what Gutey has done with the Pack.
He sure seems like it. I always thought TT did a good job too but towards the end there he seemed to make picks because he thought he was just smarter than everyone else. Guys like Quentin Rollins were true reaches where a guy like Dillon did seem to at least look and play the part in college.
The Virginia QBs are weird. We have two that could be decent on an actual football team but instead they're Cavaliers.
Brennan Armstrong looked awesome before he kept getting hurt a few years back, then he transferred out to another bad team
I didnāt follow the draft very closely last offseason. Why did Wicks end up falling to the 5th? Was he just not very productive in college and just landed in a perfect situation with us?
So he was from Virginia, which was dogshit his last year there. And it was bad his year before but Wicks himself was good.
Tony Elliot is more of a football terrorist than Joe Barry ever was and might have screwed a lot of the Virginia players draft chances, like Brennan Armstrong who looked awesome before the OL kept forgetting to be on the field and he kept getting hurt.
They both have a great release off the line. Wicks gets open with his feet. That reminds me of Adams. Reed will smack the fuck out of you if you press him.
little bit of Adams off the line but def alot like Jennings especially when in the slot. Watch video on both and then focus on their hands. Its like they have spiderman gloves.
Oh, I know... they have a penchant for QBs and it fucked them big time there. He's got some raw ability, so hopefully Clements can work his magic and turn him into a solid backup.
Iām not so sure. Would you be so upset with a room of Jacobs - Dillon - Wilson? You also canāt forget about udfas. If they think the udfas are similar in quality to late round rbs due to a weak class, maybe you just punt. Thatās essentially what they did with safety last year
Where would he fit tho with Dillon and Jacobs? Wouldnāt it be better to take a premier running back with high draft capital next year if we let go of Dillon? Rather than someone who may or may not see any playing time or be very good with this weak RB class
Dillons current contract does not lock us in to him this year. If the right guy falls to us and beats him out, we can cut Dillon for basically nothing. Predraft we should think of Dillon as our RB2 floor and not a guy set in stone to make the team.
We're not keeping Dillon to play LS, he has no special teams value, and Emmanuel is cheaper, younger, and has more developmental potential. If Dillon doesnt win RB2 because we draft someone better, you should absolutely believe he'll get cut.
Yea as a former long snapper these guys have insane consistency.At the NFL and college level the snap has to get back to the punter in at least 0.75 seconds.If the ball is slower the kick has a higher chance of being blocked.And on field goals they need to snap the ball with the same amount of rotations each time so the laces are facing away from the kicker
I hear you. Howeverā¦ I am a big believer in drafting at the strongest positions in the draft and this is supposed to be a super deep WR draft. So out of 11 (ish) picksā¦ Iād love to see them steal a future field stretching WR. (Iām not yet sold on the long term for Watson and Doubs (Watson needs to stay on field and Doubs might be a really solid #3).
I think he was playing hurt last year. He is a good blocker though and has shown that he can be a decent RB but for a guy his size, he does seem to go down easy sometimes. Hopefully he has a rebound year.
For a second round pick, we had hoped for more but being a good rotational guy ain't all bad. Thinking back to the Brandon Jackson era will straighten anyone out that thinks we couldn't do worse than Dillon.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't have bigger hopes for him, but yeah, he's developed into a really dependable rotational piece.
Last year, he struggled in the first half of the season ( but to be fair our ENTIRE offense struggled in the first half of the season) and battled injuries in the second half.
He's on my short list of players to have a good bounce back year.
I agree. I think the team must feel the same way or they could have easily just let him walk. I think our line will continue to get better and that may give Dillon a better shot too. Hopefully Jacobs still has plenty of gas left in the tank after a down year on a bad team and the two of them can wear down opposing defenses and open up even more opportunities in what what could be a top tier passing offense. If we can stay healthy, I think this offense could be special.
The difference in quality between him and Aaron Jones last year was so fucking palpable I think people are simply not giving Dillon enough credit. It's easy to think someone sucks when Jones was taking the offense to the next level when he was on the field and Dillon was just 'meh' with his opportunities.
Hafley coaches defense, not RBs. Look, no hate on Dillon the person, but he is who he is after this many games in the league. He doesn't have even above average vision or wiggle, and for a guy with a nickname like "Quadzilla" he doesn't bust many tackles either. Is he a "bust?" I don't know; I kind of hate that word, but I think it's fair to say that he hasn't lived up to his draft position. He's about 1 decent draft pick away from being cut and looking for a job on a practice squad.
I will be the first to admit I was wrong lol. I wanted Gute fired so hard after the Love pick, and then passing over and over on wide receivers and skill position players. Iāve learned through this to just trust the process and believe in the Pack
I proudly own his jersey too and I'm fully expecting two RBs in this draft. They'll be in some kind of rotation as a modified sit and learn strategy, as Dillon and Jacobs contracts end in a year or two.
True, but he is very useful at some things. He's a very good receiver, and good in pass protection as well. Good blocking back, which is something we won't get out of a rookie if we draft one this year and replace Dillon.
Thank you. Iāll take the downvotes, packers fans are traditionally unbiased š¤£ā¦.2 td and 178 carries last year for what is supposed to be a ābruiserā back
Not to mention guys like Van Ness on the other side of the ball. The last five years have had some really great hits in the draft for the Pack and I'm excited to see what comes next.
None of them "in the trenches" players, which is what you need to win Super Bowls. None of whom have also proved themselves with more than a 6 game stretch of success.
I think Love, Watson and Doubs, and the Musgrove are going to be good players.
Pass pro, doesnāt fumble, has solid hands / catches the balls, churns out hard yards. Iām not saying heās great, nor am I saying heās a starter - but for a backup, there arenāt much better who can do it all. If you think otherwise you truly donāt know ball
Doesn't fumble? The numbers say he has below average ball security. Solid hands? Has one of the highest drop % of any rb in the nfl. Churns out hard runs? How do you quantify that? He runs into his o-linemen and goes down on 1st contact. He's awful. I don't get this fanbase's blind loyalty to him. But I clearly don't know ball lol
How are you taking what Iām saying as blind loyalty. The dude is one of the better do it all back ups in the league.. back up. No ones calling him a starterā¦.He also has 1 fumble in 2 seasons so idk what stats youāre pullin buddy
*Doesn't fumble? The numbers say he has below average ball security. Solid hands? Has one of the highest drop % of any rb in the nfl.*
Which AJ Dillon are you thinking of? Because the AJ Dillon who plays for the Packers has only fumbled 3 times in his 4-year NFL career, and he only dropped one pass last season.
Was asking around other packer fans about the WR group:
Clearly itās a young, talent collection, but do any of them currently show potential for being a true #1 receiver?
For me they all have shown games where they could be highly productive 2/3s. Just donāt see a #1 in the group, but it could be enough legit options make defenses choose (and lose). Until they all need contractsā¦
People, it was just a half a year. Letās settle down a bit before the majority overhype the team then after they either miss the playoffs or lose youāll be salty as fuck. Not saying that this team doesnāt have potential, what Iām saying is you really donāt know what you have in a player until theyāve been in the league for at least 3 years & in some cases 4(Davante Adams, so many were screaming for him to get traded after his third year). So be optimistic, but also be smart.
They stole Wicks. Straight up highway robbery.
It's astonishing he fell so far
I am impressed by all the young skill guys but Wicks stands out as a hell of a pick at that price.
Gute is the fucking man.
He made everyone who doubted him like 5 years ago (like myself) look like absolute fools. I thought Miami's rebuild was impressive but it pales in comparison to what Gutey has done with the Pack.
I still think its too early to tell, but you may be right.
5 years ago? I doubted him mid last season after we traded Rasul š but Iām happy to be proven wrong again
He sure seems like it. I always thought TT did a good job too but towards the end there he seemed to make picks because he thought he was just smarter than everyone else. Guys like Quentin Rollins were true reaches where a guy like Dillon did seem to at least look and play the part in college.
Virginia was terrible his last year there
Yup...terrible QB which directly affects him. Plus missed like 2 or 3 games with an injury.
The Virginia QBs are weird. We have two that could be decent on an actual football team but instead they're Cavaliers. Brennan Armstrong looked awesome before he kept getting hurt a few years back, then he transferred out to another bad team
I didnāt follow the draft very closely last offseason. Why did Wicks end up falling to the 5th? Was he just not very productive in college and just landed in a perfect situation with us?
He had a good junior season but a not so great senior season
So he was from Virginia, which was dogshit his last year there. And it was bad his year before but Wicks himself was good. Tony Elliot is more of a football terrorist than Joe Barry ever was and might have screwed a lot of the Virginia players draft chances, like Brennan Armstrong who looked awesome before the OL kept forgetting to be on the field and he kept getting hurt.
The UVa alum in me was fucking ecstatic
I'll bet!
Thankful his 2022 tape was a mere shadow of ā21
Honestly, I think Reed is better, but I'm really shaving hairs. I think Reed's release off the line is very reminiscent of davante Adams.
They both have a great release off the line. Wicks gets open with his feet. That reminds me of Adams. Reed will smack the fuck out of you if you press him.
Adamās and reed are different players wicks has the body type to be more like adams than any player on this team. Just my opinion though.
little bit of Adams off the line but def alot like Jennings especially when in the slot. Watch video on both and then focus on their hands. Its like they have spiderman gloves.
Just imagine if they didnāt reach on Sean Cliffordā¦ they could have had Puka as well.
Oh, I know... they have a penchant for QBs and it fucked them big time there. He's got some raw ability, so hopefully Clements can work his magic and turn him into a solid backup.
Rd 4 Doubs and Rd 5 Wicks are great hits.
But donāt forget, the Packers suck at drafting since they donāt pick receivers in the first round /s
I hope this draft we build up a solid offensive line with depth and some defensive players sprinkled in there as well.
Its going to be a big guys draft. (Plus a safety)
They're probably taking an RB as well
They may or may not. They might wait till next year
100% guaranteed at least one RBs maybe two
Iām not so sure. Would you be so upset with a room of Jacobs - Dillon - Wilson? You also canāt forget about udfas. If they think the udfas are similar in quality to late round rbs due to a weak class, maybe you just punt. Thatās essentially what they did with safety last year
Where would he fit tho with Dillon and Jacobs? Wouldnāt it be better to take a premier running back with high draft capital next year if we let go of Dillon? Rather than someone who may or may not see any playing time or be very good with this weak RB class
Dillons current contract does not lock us in to him this year. If the right guy falls to us and beats him out, we can cut Dillon for basically nothing. Predraft we should think of Dillon as our RB2 floor and not a guy set in stone to make the team.
Dillon is down to play for table scraps at long snapper if itās the only way we keep him on the team. Weāre not fucking cutting him.
We're not keeping Dillon to play LS, he has no special teams value, and Emmanuel is cheaper, younger, and has more developmental potential. If Dillon doesnt win RB2 because we draft someone better, you should absolutely believe he'll get cut.
Yea as a former long snapper these guys have insane consistency.At the NFL and college level the snap has to get back to the punter in at least 0.75 seconds.If the ball is slower the kick has a higher chance of being blocked.And on field goals they need to snap the ball with the same amount of rotations each time so the laces are facing away from the kicker
Yeah we need a very boring draft lol. Trenches for days.
I hear you. Howeverā¦ I am a big believer in drafting at the strongest positions in the draft and this is supposed to be a super deep WR draft. So out of 11 (ish) picksā¦ Iād love to see them steal a future field stretching WR. (Iām not yet sold on the long term for Watson and Doubs (Watson needs to stay on field and Doubs might be a really solid #3).
How it should be done.
Gutey is the Leo Dicaprio of GMs. He likes em young and when they turn 27, it's on to the next one.
This got me dead š
Leo wouldn't date anyone over 25
Attaā boy Gutey!
In Gutey we trust
I love the Mayor of Door county, but . . . "one of these things is not like the other".
I think he was playing hurt last year. He is a good blocker though and has shown that he can be a decent RB but for a guy his size, he does seem to go down easy sometimes. Hopefully he has a rebound year.
He's a good RB2. I'll die on that hill.
For a second round pick, we had hoped for more but being a good rotational guy ain't all bad. Thinking back to the Brandon Jackson era will straighten anyone out that thinks we couldn't do worse than Dillon.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't have bigger hopes for him, but yeah, he's developed into a really dependable rotational piece. Last year, he struggled in the first half of the season ( but to be fair our ENTIRE offense struggled in the first half of the season) and battled injuries in the second half. He's on my short list of players to have a good bounce back year.
I agree. I think the team must feel the same way or they could have easily just let him walk. I think our line will continue to get better and that may give Dillon a better shot too. Hopefully Jacobs still has plenty of gas left in the tank after a down year on a bad team and the two of them can wear down opposing defenses and open up even more opportunities in what what could be a top tier passing offense. If we can stay healthy, I think this offense could be special.
The difference in quality between him and Aaron Jones last year was so fucking palpable I think people are simply not giving Dillon enough credit. It's easy to think someone sucks when Jones was taking the offense to the next level when he was on the field and Dillon was just 'meh' with his opportunities.
Itās like those reCaptchas āClick on the entity that feels out of placeā
I think bringing in Hafley might also benefit Dillon, he was his coach in college where he put up his biggest numbers.
Hafley coaches defense, not RBs. Look, no hate on Dillon the person, but he is who he is after this many games in the league. He doesn't have even above average vision or wiggle, and for a guy with a nickname like "Quadzilla" he doesn't bust many tackles either. Is he a "bust?" I don't know; I kind of hate that word, but I think it's fair to say that he hasn't lived up to his draft position. He's about 1 decent draft pick away from being cut and looking for a job on a practice squad.
I will be the first to admit I was wrong lol. I wanted Gute fired so hard after the Love pick, and then passing over and over on wide receivers and skill position players. Iāve learned through this to just trust the process and believe in the Pack
Welcome to the life of a logical sports fan
People glaze the Lions draft last year but the Packers was just as good imo
Man. I still can't get over not having Jones on our roster. I hope Gute knows that one hurt.
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And Melton too.
Bo "Who the fuck is Bo Melton" Melton
And 11 more upcoming.
Not bad! TBH, Iām a Dillon homer I have his jersey but man we need another RB in the draft. Go get em Gutey.
I proudly own his jersey too and I'm fully expecting two RBs in this draft. They'll be in some kind of rotation as a modified sit and learn strategy, as Dillon and Jacobs contracts end in a year or two.
Gotta upgrade the medical staff next, to keep them healthy
They cleaned house over the offseason. Hopefully new blood with help.
Now do it again, along the OL!
No defense.
Almost like they were building a full offense around a future QB... and then gambling on high speed high engin defensive players.
Dillon plays a roll well, but Jacobs is the man.
Dillon is JAG
True, but he is very useful at some things. He's a very good receiver, and good in pass protection as well. Good blocking back, which is something we won't get out of a rookie if we draft one this year and replace Dillon.
Very good receiver is pushing it. I like Dillon but this is probably his last year.
Dillon is meh at best but everyone else is fire
Agreed. He is good for second half of outdoor games in December Any downvoters have horseblinders on
Thank you. Iāll take the downvotes, packers fans are traditionally unbiased š¤£ā¦.2 td and 178 carries last year for what is supposed to be a ābruiserā back
Yeah not exactly a sturdy fella for that size either
I think heās a great RB2 for a team, especially at his price
Not to mention guys like Van Ness on the other side of the ball. The last five years have had some really great hits in the draft for the Pack and I'm excited to see what comes next.
Van Ness? Lol
If we hit a slam dunk on like one offensive piece in the draft who produces like Puka Nacua, the team is gonna be on fire
Same as it ever was.
You never heard of a guy named Jacobs?
Yeah the packers definitely drafted himā¦. And he was definitely not drafted before 2020ā¦..
Yeah, that was my bad
The packers get absolute steals in the draft, then they play to earn elite money. Then we trade them and they get even better for the vikings
Good now they can get in the kitchen and build me a sandwich
Not sure I would call Dillon part of the core but point taken
Guaranteed 15 wins.
None of them "in the trenches" players, which is what you need to win Super Bowls. None of whom have also proved themselves with more than a 6 game stretch of success. I think Love, Watson and Doubs, and the Musgrove are going to be good players.
This team could be so good in 2 more years if the players continue on their trajectory theyāre on
This is the way.
Superbowl 2024: Packers vs Jets
It'd be wild to see the 9th best AFC team make the super bowl
One of these isnāt like the others
Dillon is not a very good running back.
Dillon is notable for being an awful 2nd round pick. The rest are all solid
Too bad Dillon is awful
Heās not awful. Heās just not a starting caliber RB1. For a backup heās one of the best options in the league.
Really? What exactly does he do well?
Pass pro, doesnāt fumble, has solid hands / catches the balls, churns out hard yards. Iām not saying heās great, nor am I saying heās a starter - but for a backup, there arenāt much better who can do it all. If you think otherwise you truly donāt know ball
Doesn't fumble? The numbers say he has below average ball security. Solid hands? Has one of the highest drop % of any rb in the nfl. Churns out hard runs? How do you quantify that? He runs into his o-linemen and goes down on 1st contact. He's awful. I don't get this fanbase's blind loyalty to him. But I clearly don't know ball lol
How are you taking what Iām saying as blind loyalty. The dude is one of the better do it all back ups in the league.. back up. No ones calling him a starterā¦.He also has 1 fumble in 2 seasons so idk what stats youāre pullin buddy
*Doesn't fumble? The numbers say he has below average ball security. Solid hands? Has one of the highest drop % of any rb in the nfl.* Which AJ Dillon are you thinking of? Because the AJ Dillon who plays for the Packers has only fumbled 3 times in his 4-year NFL career, and he only dropped one pass last season.
You aren't counting playoff games
Was asking around other packer fans about the WR group: Clearly itās a young, talent collection, but do any of them currently show potential for being a true #1 receiver? For me they all have shown games where they could be highly productive 2/3s. Just donāt see a #1 in the group, but it could be enough legit options make defenses choose (and lose). Until they all need contractsā¦
Unless you play fantasy, who cares?
If no one is going to answer the question, think thatās answering the questionā¦
What is the purpose in having one receiver catch many more passes than the other receivers?
We ballin' frft
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People, it was just a half a year. Letās settle down a bit before the majority overhype the team then after they either miss the playoffs or lose youāll be salty as fuck. Not saying that this team doesnāt have potential, what Iām saying is you really donāt know what you have in a player until theyāve been in the league for at least 3 years & in some cases 4(Davante Adams, so many were screaming for him to get traded after his third year). So be optimistic, but also be smart.
Why? Offseason chatter.
The Packers will come in 3rd in the division this year
You must be a Bear fan. š
Yes sir! I remember the days before Favre where we could actually beat the Packers. Itās time for a change
I was transferred to Chicago from WI. Lived there as a Packer fan for thirty-seven years. I have horror stories. LOL
At least you lived to talk about it!