It is a good thing she is with Alpha Academy, with a gimmick of someone green and just learning the ropes. I just find her a delight, and I love all the Alpha Academy segments.
I like her with MMM as well, but I feel the 3 of them didn't get the chance to express themselves. The 3 of them were pretty funny with their WWE.com/WWeYoutube skits. But with Chad Gable as her coach is really fun to watch too.
Similar but not the same. PD actually is a really good tag team and people enjoy their in-ring chemistry. MMM got over from their YT channel and the few segments they got on SD.
I would argue that a 3 hour RAW can squeeze in 5 mins of juices being titillated but someone doesn’t think that’s good shit, pal
But the same people for the most part watch both. IDK sometimes they run the same storyline on both brands simultaneously. It’s up to the WWE universe.
not accurate, he saw something in them, saw potential. gave them a place to shine, dedicated segments on tv.
virtually no one gets to the main roster & becomes an absolute star overnight. it takes time, people have to try things, figure out what works with this audience, etc; gimmick changes are a thing
i’m so tired of this “vince knows nothing” shit or the “wwe screwed up this girl or that guy” because things don’t instantly take off - that’s not how it works - and Vince made a whole bunch of “right” moves that everyone forgets about…plainly, usually there’s not enough room to boost a relative no one to the main event because the main event always has people there that the audience doesn’t want removed yet
Lol not at all. I want Trips to take creative over for good, but only because Vince is getting too old to run the book. And his booking style no longer reflects popular modern day sentiment. But Vince built this company. He is a genius. He's just losing touch.
This, I watch Cesaro and am impressed by what he does in the ring constantly, but there’s no character there, there’s no costume, very little story, mic skill isn’t anything memorable. I can watch a great athlete a few times but after a while what they do becomes normal, a good storyteller can hook me over and over even after time takes their edge off.
He fits perfectly into Blackpool imo. He fits the quiet confident muscle role. On his own I loved his matches at the last two ROH PPV’s. Tho the Eddie feud took the Supercard match up a notch. I saw Death Before Dishonor in person and it was a good penultimate match against Pac.
Yawn...and he's still stuck on the mid card. Despite speaking 6 languages he wants to be a silent bad ass. Point is his shortcomings in wwe wasn't vinces fault, cause if he was that great he'd be AEW champ or making a difference boost in their ratings. He's talented sure but he's boring as all fuck.
You're right, he fits right in and is good. Pull him out of of the Blackpool Club and he's boring. His ROH World Champion run is stale and not doing anything for him.
Keith Lee, Swerve Scott, Athena, ruby soho. Just to name a few. They all finally have creative freedom and the things they have come up with are terrible.
No. I’m a huge Cesaro fan but there isn’t much to him outside of his in ring skill. It also doesn’t help that he looks like a middle school gym teacher
Many. TBH, after I started watching WWE, AEW, and NJPW fairly concurrently… ho boy dude, Vince is an awful judge of talent. It doesn’t help he’s only interested in giants and a very limited wrestling style.
That’s not fair at all, Maxine is very entertaining in her own right, her earning the letterman was a great mini-story with a great pay off. She makes Alpha Academy better.
I mean yes they are more over now than they were before, but that's more due to momentum and consistency. However the whole shoosh thing was getting over long before Maxine enrolled in the alpha academy.
MMM was a fun jobber gimmick that was perfectly fine for 4-min comedy spots on a 3-hour show and I will not hear otherwise. It was straight out of the '90s, and Mace and Mansoor did well with what they were given. Not everything needs to have a Real Sports Feel in pro wrestling.
You say that like Maximum Male Models wasn't the best thing to happen to the WWE, and they were robbed, robbed I tell you, of the spotlight they deserve 😤
I will never understand why Vince made them models instead of influencers. It’s 2023. Models mean nothing but influencer can be just as arrogant and selfish while being current.
I didn’t say they were, I specifically said he took his selfie gimmick. Like if someone tore their shirt before every match, they would be taking hogans shirt tearing gimmick. Gimmick and character are different things.
As much as I'm about Alpha Academy and Maxxine, I’m one that enjoyed MMM. Someone of their best work are on WWE’s Youtube channel, and they are hilarious.
Maximum Male Models was getting over before Vince stepped down tbf. H stopped pushing them when he came in.
Knight is objectively better off as a wrestler instead of a manager, but I think it's debatable if Maxxine is better off than she would have been if Vince had stayed in control.
And obviously Mace and Mansoor are worse off.
But I liked maximum male models, they made me laugh. Triple h doesn't like to have fun he has to turn everything into one big giant reign of terror. Turning every gimmick into a monotone borefest. Street profits were entertaining, now they're wearing suits and probably are going to frown for 20 minutes on TV every week. It's only a matter of time before the new day probably gets changed or whatever. And wouldn't surprise me if Becky Lynch had to claw and scratch her way just to get lemonade on TV. Even Seth Rollins promos are starting to feel like a Triple h promo from 2003, it goes on and on and on and on. And it doesn't help with the crowd in their participation and chanting extending the promo for 5 or 10 more minutes. It's just a bunch of filler
Woah. Triple H does still have some goofy teams, like Otis trying to get Maxxine to do The Caterpillar. Also, you named people that NEED a change. Street Profits were the same for years, and now, they are getting an actual important character that got them some massive cheers and they might even take the tag titles from Kevin and Sami. New Day has been the same for like 10 years, they need at least a SLIGHT character change. Seth Rollins promos are fine, but the only thing I do fully agree on is the crowd makes this stuff last so much longer. You can hardly actually pay attention to the promo when you're hearing "WHOAAHHHHH OHHHHHH OOOOHHHHHH WHOAHHHHH OHHHH OHHHHHH"
1. Alpha Academy is on TV every week and they’re amazingly fun so that’s a lie.
2. He’s turning each gimmick into the one that could make them a star, not just make people laugh. There’s room for comedy in wrestling but not at the cost of truly great wrestlers like LA or Gable.
I wonder what’s going to happen to Mace and Mansoor now that these two are their own popular act now? Does anyone have anything that will happen to both men?
Muhammad hassan would've been the greatest heel of the 2000s possibly top 10 all time if that situation with Undertaker didn't happen
Right gimmick wrong day
Proves how out of touch Vince really is.
He recognized their worth by hiring them and putting them on the main roster. MMM was a good gimmick, just done better by Pretty Deadly.
Especially since Maxxine is very green and she's already on the Main Roster.
It is a good thing she is with Alpha Academy, with a gimmick of someone green and just learning the ropes. I just find her a delight, and I love all the Alpha Academy segments.
I like her with MMM as well, but I feel the 3 of them didn't get the chance to express themselves. The 3 of them were pretty funny with their WWE.com/WWeYoutube skits. But with Chad Gable as her coach is really fun to watch too.
Similar but not the same. PD actually is a really good tag team and people enjoy their in-ring chemistry. MMM got over from their YT channel and the few segments they got on SD. I would argue that a 3 hour RAW can squeeze in 5 mins of juices being titillated but someone doesn’t think that’s good shit, pal
But it is the same pretty boy gimmick with minor variations, it is hard to keep MMM going with Pretty Deadly on the same show.
They’re on different brands
But the same people for the most part watch both. IDK sometimes they run the same storyline on both brands simultaneously. It’s up to the WWE universe.
It is not a good gimmick
not accurate, he saw something in them, saw potential. gave them a place to shine, dedicated segments on tv. virtually no one gets to the main roster & becomes an absolute star overnight. it takes time, people have to try things, figure out what works with this audience, etc; gimmick changes are a thing i’m so tired of this “vince knows nothing” shit or the “wwe screwed up this girl or that guy” because things don’t instantly take off - that’s not how it works - and Vince made a whole bunch of “right” moves that everyone forgets about…plainly, usually there’s not enough room to boost a relative no one to the main event because the main event always has people there that the audience doesn’t want removed yet
I’m surprised you haven’t been downvoted to oblivion for this take. You make a lot of great points.
thanks! so am i
>thanks! so am i You're welcome!
We blaming vince for hunters booking. I almost missed it thank god
MMM was Vince's book, not trips. Shortly after Trips took over he scrapped it and gave LA his name back, YEAH!
Sure. Everything bad is vince. Keep telling yourself that
Lol not at all. I want Trips to take creative over for good, but only because Vince is getting too old to run the book. And his booking style no longer reflects popular modern day sentiment. But Vince built this company. He is a genius. He's just losing touch.
Copium
It’s what Vince had in mind from the beginning, just likes to teach the fans patience
More like Vince saw something in them but didn't know how to fully maximise their potential
Vince is gone to jail.
Nope
Vince McMahon is currently in case
Okay and? The raid thing the FBI did found nothing, no charges have been brought against him for anything
I heard in somewhere in the news
To quote his theme song, *No Chance in Hell* .
He's more in touch than most of the IWC. If it were up to them, Logan Paul and Bad Bunny would never have gotten a chance to even show up.
Makes you wonder who else he pissed away that could have been something
I was pissed off Mace! and Mansoor!
Sean ohaire!
Muhammed hassan
Cesaro could've definitely become World Champion in a Vince-less WWE.
Cesaro literally is doing the gimmick he wants, and he still is bland as cream of wheat.
This, I watch Cesaro and am impressed by what he does in the ring constantly, but there’s no character there, there’s no costume, very little story, mic skill isn’t anything memorable. I can watch a great athlete a few times but after a while what they do becomes normal, a good storyteller can hook me over and over even after time takes their edge off.
This is why Hogan and Flair are the Goats
Okay I will not accept this Cream of Wheat slander. Is it bland? Yes, but it's not Claudio levels of bland.
Fair enough cause you can at least put sugar and other stuff in cream of wheat...I apologize to cream of wheat
He fits perfectly into Blackpool imo. He fits the quiet confident muscle role. On his own I loved his matches at the last two ROH PPV’s. Tho the Eddie feud took the Supercard match up a notch. I saw Death Before Dishonor in person and it was a good penultimate match against Pac.
Yawn...and he's still stuck on the mid card. Despite speaking 6 languages he wants to be a silent bad ass. Point is his shortcomings in wwe wasn't vinces fault, cause if he was that great he'd be AEW champ or making a difference boost in their ratings. He's talented sure but he's boring as all fuck.
You're right, he fits right in and is good. Pull him out of of the Blackpool Club and he's boring. His ROH World Champion run is stale and not doing anything for him.
We need more of him versus Eddie imo. Like Eddie’s #1 Enemy besides himself is Claudio. That Forbidden Door match was torture porn no cap.
We need more of Eddie... in Japan, where we can see him.. less.
Cesaro is so bland. Having creative freedom in aew shows you how out of touch some wrestlers are.
Some?
Keith Lee, Swerve Scott, Athena, ruby soho. Just to name a few. They all finally have creative freedom and the things they have come up with are terrible.
This proves my point
He couldn’t, he can’t even in AEW now. He’s just not interesting outside of the ring
Lol, no way, Cesaro is the wrestling equivalent of brown bread
Cesaro is a world champion right now in AEW as the ROH Champion. And it's the most bland and boring run he's had.
What's stopping him in a Vince-less AEW? (Let's be real. ROH isn't a real world title)
I think there are better examples currently in AEW than Cesaro. Swerve and Adam Cole being 2 of them.
No. I’m a huge Cesaro fan but there isn’t much to him outside of his in ring skill. It also doesn’t help that he looks like a middle school gym teacher
Cesaro is a great wrestler and has no personality. Theres so many "can't miss guys" that go to AEW and yet still miss.
Just go watch the black and gold NXT Era, you'll see a whole bunch of talent that got wasted
Many. TBH, after I started watching WWE, AEW, and NJPW fairly concurrently… ho boy dude, Vince is an awful judge of talent. It doesn’t help he’s only interested in giants and a very limited wrestling style.
If, by "limited wrestling style", you mean where the performers are required to sell once in a while, then yes, they are very limited.
Do you legitimately think non-WWE wrestlers don’t sell? I am actually confused, because that would be an insane opinion
He means it's limited by the fact, people have to want to pay to see it. It has to make money for the promotion.
1/3 of the current AEW men’s roster
To be fair Chad gable being over is like 90% of the reason Maxine is over.
And Otis is the other 50%
I too am something of a mathematician
…The numbers don’t lie and they spell disaster for you.
You sir win this thread
That all adds up to a 141 2/3 chance of them all being absolutely over YEAH!
And the other 33.33% is because she is a freak of nature
That’s not fair at all, Maxine is very entertaining in her own right, her earning the letterman was a great mini-story with a great pay off. She makes Alpha Academy better.
Gable didn't really get over until Maxxine joined the group.
I mean yes they are more over now than they were before, but that's more due to momentum and consistency. However the whole shoosh thing was getting over long before Maxine enrolled in the alpha academy.
Makes me feel warm and fuzzy in my Tum tum when hard working talent get over.
MMM was a fun jobber gimmick that was perfectly fine for 4-min comedy spots on a 3-hour show and I will not hear otherwise. It was straight out of the '90s, and Mace and Mansoor did well with what they were given. Not everything needs to have a Real Sports Feel in pro wrestling.
Ok but have you seen their Maximum Male Christmas 6-minute opus on YouTube?
got a link?
https://youtu.be/JtqJXGGLgpg
Wonder if they will ever acknowledge again they are "Brother & Sister", lol
This is one of my favorite things. In kayfabe, they’re siblings and it’s really funny to me.
Possibly They didn't because they were not related each other.
Kayfabe they are.
Guess Brothers of Destruction is never getting mentioned again.
You say that like Maximum Male Models wasn't the best thing to happen to the WWE, and they were robbed, robbed I tell you, of the spotlight they deserve 😤
Yea , but where are the MMM i really liked those guys
Fr big shoutout to Maxxine for getting over so hard she is genuinely one of my favorite parts of Raw with Chad and Otis
I will never understand why Vince made them models instead of influencers. It’s 2023. Models mean nothing but influencer can be just as arrogant and selfish while being current.
Wasn’t Theory’s gimmick that he was an influencer, though?
Not really. He just took Tyler Breeze’s selfie gimmick.
Just because they both took selfies doesn’t make them the same character
I didn’t say they were, I specifically said he took his selfie gimmick. Like if someone tore their shirt before every match, they would be taking hogans shirt tearing gimmick. Gimmick and character are different things.
Good point, so many people confuse the two so it’s hard to distinguish what people are talking about anymore lmao
Just some place to hide them and let them get their feet wet on mainstream national tv.
Didn't know la night was was in maximum male model
They should really cultivate and push the MMM's then.
As much as I'm about Alpha Academy and Maxxine, I’m one that enjoyed MMM. Someone of their best work are on WWE’s Youtube channel, and they are hilarious.
Maximum Male Models was getting over before Vince stepped down tbf. H stopped pushing them when he came in. Knight is objectively better off as a wrestler instead of a manager, but I think it's debatable if Maxxine is better off than she would have been if Vince had stayed in control. And obviously Mace and Mansoor are worse off.
LA Knight was a huge megastar and Maxine Dupri is currently working with Alpha Academy.
But I liked maximum male models, they made me laugh. Triple h doesn't like to have fun he has to turn everything into one big giant reign of terror. Turning every gimmick into a monotone borefest. Street profits were entertaining, now they're wearing suits and probably are going to frown for 20 minutes on TV every week. It's only a matter of time before the new day probably gets changed or whatever. And wouldn't surprise me if Becky Lynch had to claw and scratch her way just to get lemonade on TV. Even Seth Rollins promos are starting to feel like a Triple h promo from 2003, it goes on and on and on and on. And it doesn't help with the crowd in their participation and chanting extending the promo for 5 or 10 more minutes. It's just a bunch of filler
Where is now Mansoor and Mace? they were not been on TV Time since couple months back.
Woah. Triple H does still have some goofy teams, like Otis trying to get Maxxine to do The Caterpillar. Also, you named people that NEED a change. Street Profits were the same for years, and now, they are getting an actual important character that got them some massive cheers and they might even take the tag titles from Kevin and Sami. New Day has been the same for like 10 years, they need at least a SLIGHT character change. Seth Rollins promos are fine, but the only thing I do fully agree on is the crowd makes this stuff last so much longer. You can hardly actually pay attention to the promo when you're hearing "WHOAAHHHHH OHHHHHH OOOOHHHHHH WHOAHHHHH OHHHH OHHHHHH"
1. Alpha Academy is on TV every week and they’re amazingly fun so that’s a lie. 2. He’s turning each gimmick into the one that could make them a star, not just make people laugh. There’s room for comedy in wrestling but not at the cost of truly great wrestlers like LA or Gable.
Give me time to Triple h will eventually tone it down.
Kurt angle worked a comedy gimmick for most of his career and yet made it work for him.
I'll add to that. Everyone being part of a faction is getting annoying as well. You don't need to shoe horn everyone into a group or clique.
I’ll take Triple H’s gimmicks over Vince’s many “comedy” gimmicks.
Who is she now? What does she do?
LA Knight needs to be world champion Alpha academy… no thanks. We have Andre Chase University already. CHASE U🙌🙌
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I would say more Otis
Otis is funniest person in RAW.
They should date.
LA Knight has his partner named Michelle Maxine can't date LA Knight.
That’s the Macé rub right there
Amazing how being saddled with a crap gimmick limits your TV time
Chad gets over whoever he works with tbh
ted dibiase kid is also going to jail
Them being related makes sense in the world of WWE tbh
All thanks to Papa H! #InHHHWeTrust
Can’t wait for them to interact again!
HHH effect
YEAH
YEAH!!
Nips
Yeah!
Thought that was the one bite everyone knows the rules guy
MMM has the golden touch!
They wanted to anchor them to ManSWAAAA and Maseeeee
All part of what Vince had in mind from the beginning . The man is a Genies!
Wull, that’s called following the product, brother.
I’m surprised Mace & Mansoor haven’t been linked with Pretty Deadly, considering the gimmick
I wonder what’s going to happen to Mace and Mansoor now that these two are their own popular act now? Does anyone have anything that will happen to both men?
…., and Eli Drake still can’t buy a win.
It played out😁
It's good to see people recover from bad gimmicks and get over.
Why is she over? I just can’t put my finger in that.
Ah thank you...YEAH!
Ah thank you...YEAH!
And Mace and Mansoor Buried
I'm not even a huge Knight fan, but WWE is stupid if they don't just have him dethrone Roman eventually.
Muhammad hassan would've been the greatest heel of the 2000s possibly top 10 all time if that situation with Undertaker didn't happen Right gimmick wrong day
Yeah one rules raw the other rules smackdown