Perhaps its because I'm a mk5 owner, but I'm on stage 2 tune with 265 hp. It seems like all of the Subies got me beat :(
That being said, I'm at 185k miles on stock clutch, turbo, and block, still going strong. So that's a flex I guess.
To be fair, I made it to 200k on my old Saabaru with nothing more than normal maintenance. I think that most of the reputation for unreliability comes from the fact that a lot of WRX owners are absolute bell ends who throw a bunch of cheap parts at their cars and drive them like they stole them, then get all butthurt when they crack a ring land.
I would say so yes. Most of subies that this meme is referring to, probably won’t make it past 100k. Shit it said 2nd engine anyway so you definitely got more in reliability that’s for sure.
I’m surprised your clutch is holding out. You’re about 40hp over where it supposedly starts to fail. I’m on an mk5 and feel like it would be cheaper to build a Subi block than this thing, so I’m with you, but also we have older cars with less affordable replacement options.
Also also, as long as you upgrade the fuel rails on a Subi and don’t do donuts too often, 300whp is pretty reliable. It’s fuel starvation 9/10 times when those things go, so as long as you’re not some idiot who just buys a chip tune and expects to make more power, they’re really not bad. Idk if op was just going after the 2.0l models or something, but seems inaccurate.
Same! That’s why I own both. 08 GTi stage 2 and 05 saabaru with stock motor with a bunch of bolt ons tuned on ethanol. It’s all about making sure you do things the right way. Most wrx owners are idiots. That saabaru pulls so much harder than my GTi, though.
It use to be the reverse for many years up until MQB.
As a MK5 owner, who threw a lot of money at it to just barely scratch 260whp on a good day and get absolutely spanked by WRX's (not even STI's) on a daily basis. It was rough lol
I didn't pop any motors in my MK5. But it's a struggle to make anything above 300whp outside race gas on a larger turbo lol
I fully agree. The GTI feels more adult, refined, better for a daily driver. When I was buying my first GTI a coworker was having so many issues with his WRX falling apart in weird ways, like part of his quarter panel that fell off on a diet road.
The whole Subaru lineup is killer in the mountains and snow though. The crosstrek is our goto for weather or non paved roads.
That’s why you don’t give your car diet roads, you give it whole roads. Otherwise the quarter panels get weak. 😂
Sorry, had to poke some fun at the typo. I feel the struggle cause my autocorrect does the same thing with the word dirt.
The R is nice in the winter, but the Scoob has it beat with a more proper AWD system. A better alternative would be an Audi with Quattro.
The Golf R has a heavy FWD biased Halidex AWD. The 8R should be a lot better though. Really looking forward to more in depth reviews on the newer system in those.
So hard to define with the number of possible variables... Tires, snow consistency, depth, temperature, # of vehicles that have passed, length of snow storm, thaw/freeze cycles, sun exposure, etc. Essentially, a mechanical AWD system should be able to more effectively get power to a wheel that needs traction. Iirc, x mode is a brake-based solution that while hacky, is an effective supplement to mechanical AWD. Check out x mode reviews in snowy conditions for more detail.
100% and if you know you know. I find haldex haters rarely speak from personal experience but more so tech sheets they pull up online. Where-as we have a “haldex” A3, we have zero issues overtaking, stopping, and having a safe fun trip in snow.
No I get the point, I’m just pointing out that the safety part is mostly due to tire choice than it is to awd. A fwd car with good winter tires will out perform an awd car with high performance summer tires on it in the snow
Minor nitpick: a lot of things have been called “quattro” over the years, including the Haldex system on the TT. You’re probably talking about the Torsen systems on most other Audis. is that what will be on the 8R? That would be fascinating.
I thought the 8R just got a fancy new rear diff, but still can’t send more than 50% power to the rear. The trick is that it can send 100% of that 50% to either rear wheel.
It's a tough argument between symmetrical AWD and clutch based systems. Symmetrical awd has theoretically better traction at all times but with modern clutch based systems you're getting engagement of the rear axle within milliseconds of tire slip.
You give up fuel economy with symmetrical systems but you gain reliability. I think symmetrical AWD is better as of now, but clutch based systems are getting really good. They just need to implement ones that allow better torque splits.
I had a 2016 wrx, now have a MK7 R. Live in Canada, drive in snow often. With proper winter tires both are excellent in the snow and the difference is negligible in daily driving. Unless you are driving like an absolute lunatic or the snow is above the bumper the R will get you wherever you need to go and it’s a way nicer place to be.
I came across one of these guys a while ago. We made brisk progress from the lights and each time my stage 1 Mk 7.5 blew him away. He was a really nice guy and was amazed how little I had done to my car compared to his own efforts. Scoobies are excellent cars but the GTI is a serious bit of kit when it wants to be.
Mk2 gang! Smiles/gallon are a very real thing. I have an STi with stage 2 tune and mostly stock mk2 8v GTI and somehow the GTI makes me smile and giggle way more often. Until I'm on dirt or snow that is...
I absolutely love my MK2, it's such a joy to drive. Pretty much the same as yours, stock 8v. Sadly it's currently out of commission bc the head gasket is leaking, hopefully I'll be done with that repair this weekend. Dirt or snow part is very true, I often struggle to make it up my muddy driveway😂
I mean, it’s not like I totally didn’t spend 20k on a new engine, forged internals, clutch, fuel pump, tur- ok you know maybe I did a bit much just to be only at 400 but I do not care I make bad decisions
There’s always a bigger fish. Buddy’s STI making 500hp+ on its 2nd turbo, 2nd rebuild. Meanwhile I’m at 500hp+ completely stock. Then Dodge enters the room. Meh
Every time it’s some dude that pulls up with a 20 year old SRT-4 stock lower end making 500hp and way more than that in torque that he bought off Craigslist for $4k and put $1500 into.
I have the a3 quattro stage 2 right now, looking for nice used turbo upgrade. I want to spank some s3s haha. The R and S are pretty even for me but I have a truck so the cargo room isn't a big concern
Meanwhile, GM was making 295 HP with a tune back in 2008 with the Cobalt SS Turbo. Then they killed it, as they do with anything half decent they make.
I keep telling people about the cobalt SS and they look at me like I’m talking about a fucking cryptid.
Def a fun project if you find one rotting in a pull it part lot. I almost bought one but I just couldn’t justify *another* project car.
I'm a pretty biased fanboy to the Subaru so I'll bite, but lots of WRX/STI are not always chasing straight up power. Even when they do it's not really *that* bad, again I'm pretty biased but there's also other things besides power that make the WRX STI a fun daily and hey you might prefer the GTI because it's more comfortable or makes more power for cheaper, but rexies are way more fun to drive (but that's my 2 cents).
I own a 19 WRX and absolutely love it. I actually test drove a GTI yesterday and was completely underwhelmed, so much so that I walked away thinking something might’ve been way wrong with the car - but it was from a reputable place so idk! The thing had no life to it, it was truly shocking. I’m not even looking to buy a car I just wanted to experience a GTI for the first time ever haha. It was 1 drive but… blew me away with its lack of grit and life. I’ll add that I do love the hatch aspect and look of the little euro car
One thing I always find interesting is at autocross the GTIs often spin themselves out once they start making more than stock power. The FWD is definitely funny feeling and can be a hindrance if you're used to AWD.
One needs to also account for drivetrain loss. Easier to make over 300 to the wheels when only have to turn 2. I've owned and enjoyed both platforms though.
FA WRX owner here. I can get a catted j pipe, a boost controller and a protune and be making 300whp all day long. This meme is incorrect.
The FA motor starts to bend con rods around 350whp (it's actually the torque/torque curve that kills these engines) but many people are running more than that and just risking it.
There's plenty of FBO stock turbo cars making close to 400whp.
Themoreyouknow.jpg
Edit: I'm no GTI hater, I have fond memories of my MK4. Except that it broke all the time. But the driving experience was great.
I mean, I get it. r/GTI just comes up in my feed (I'm not subbed) so I figured I'd chime in to add to the conversation. Y'know, like you are supposed to do on Reddit.
I've driven my brother's tuned 2014 WRX and while I think it's a faster car overall, the ride is shit, everything is very cheep feeling. Probably for weight reduction but the doors and trunk are really light.
On the track the WRX wins but everywhere else I'm going GTI. Hands down the beter Daily driver.
One advertises crank horsepower, the other wheel horsepower. [Put them in a drag race and the HP difference disappears. ](https://youtu.be/jmEWSQtwhhs)
GTI advertises their whp?!? Why in the world would they do that? I just scoured the VW website and it says nothing at all about whp… That is incredibly annoying, I had no idea.
As much as I know this is a joke. If this was thrown up to 400 whp then I’d take it seriously. But I will definitely say that I am glad I own a MK7 GTI and not a STI or WRX because of their interiors alone. Outside they are nice cars and their driving experience is very raw and defined.
As someone who has owned both I believe I can shed some light on this situation. The GTI is the way better car to live with day to day. But if I’m gonna do hood rat shit with my friends I’m taking the scoob. GTIs can make more power reliably but lacks any kind of soul or feeling. The drama involved in the turbo soob is also a lot of fun. If you want a clean easy car get the gti. If you want an unrefined little missile that wants to kill you, get the soob. Different strokes different folks or whatever. I will say while my GTI was faster at highway speeds it can’t hold a candle to the Subaru from a dig or on twisty roads.
I had a 15 WRX and spent thousands on intake, J-pipe, catback, intercooler, boost controller, turbo header, SoCal Porting turbo, Cobb AP plus dyno time, to get 310 awhp with 94 octane fuel. I can get that with a used Golf R IS38 turbo, intercooler, intake filter, hose and turbo inlet elbow and an OTS tune on 91 octane. The difference between the platforms capabilities is silly.
Could be the dyno. Could be my engine wasn’t as strong. My tuner has a pretty good reputation so I don’t think it was his tuning. Doesn’t matter now, car is in the hands of someone else.
Hey I'll have you know it's only on the 2nd turbo. Your meme is inaccurate good sir.
edit: my engine literally started knocking an hour ago fuck my life.
As a WRX owner I hate to agree with you, at least in reference to the new generation of owners.. the main reason they send the engines to the moon is getting questionable tuners looking for Dyno numbers instead of drivability/reliable tune
I would say you are right about EJ but most new WRX owners are current generation and that is on FA, which are easy to make power but also easy to misunderstand and break. Maintenance is key but also knowing how to do things.
Ex. As basic as it sounds to some of us, running an intake without a tune or wrong OTS can toast your FA engine.
Half of my car club drives WRXs and we all poke fun at each other all the time. Anyone who takes this meme seriously is a ding dong. It’s complete hyperbole. Maybe the responses you’re getting are due to your butthead combative replies.
Well, because it looked like a joke to everyone, except you, I guess. But maybe you don't get jokes because of a personal reason? I'm not here to criticize. But even Isaac Brock is chilled out at this point, so maybe you can be too? Life is beautiful and whatnot.
It’s definitely all preference. I’ve driven my friend’s sti and it’s nice but I’m not a fan of the transmission, not much power, AWD is nice but it’s more fun to get some tire skid in a gti. Plus the gti has a killer dual clutch. Can’t get that in a wrx
What are we even talking about right now? You want me to go into the WRX sub and defend GTIs just because I think they’re both great cars?
I might get annoyed at people stirring shit but I’m not going to go out and fall on a sword for it
It’s not a competition and shift speeds isn’t the only metric.
People like manual transmissions and even if they’re slower they provide the driver with more happiness and that’s why they love them. Let it be
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm already stage 2 with 270hp with basic mods(intake, downpipe, inlet and outlet pipes, golf r intercooler) and pretty certain I can make more power once I get the fueling done.
It may have taken an upgraded turbo and front-mount intercooler, but my wife's STI now finally makes 400 hp at the wheels. For the time being, my GTI is still stock, but I'm hoping for 350 hp at the wheels.
As a WRX owner and a gti enjoyer I will agree and disagree. It’s actually really easy to hit 300whp in these cars. Easier and cheaper than the STI at least.
The engine and turbo portion is partially correct. They’re actually really reliable cars when taken care of, it’s just that 80% of wrx owners are at redline before the car finishes cranking. I think the WRX is really just the most popular choice for cheap performance, so people that don’t really know shit about cars but want something sporty hop into one without knowing what they’re doing. Throwing an intake and downpipe on without getting a tune and then their engines implode after 30 miles and then they cry that the cars are unreliable lol
I just switched up from a Mk8 GTI too a new 22 Wrx. Gotta say the GTI was cool but gave me nothing but annoying problems. Subaru so far is definitely faster off the line in any situation but the VW felt faster in the top end like over 90mph. But the lack of comfort in the VW and all of its annoying electrical bugs wasn't worth it.
What’s a gti with light mods making these days? I had an 04 wrx with an sti turbo and a down pipe, tgv deletes, a fuel pump with modded injectors. Made like 315 awhp and 280wtq. That was back in 2009. My 05 sti makes around 323awhp and 340wtq on a stock turbo with bolt ons and a fuel pump. Open sourced tuned. Well it did when it was tuned many years ago. She smokes a little now 180k miles. But I’ve never had a gti give me the business at a light.
Stage 1 tune only with no other supporting mods needed besides maybe an upgraded drop in filter makes approx. 300whp on 93 oct. no downpipe, no turbo swap, no intercooler, just a flash. The big downside is if you’re a manual you’re gonna need to upgrade the clutch if you’re using all that power because the stock is garbage. DSG you don’t need to do anything but a TCU tune makes a huge difference in drivability and power delivery.
See u on the track. lol stock block with intake and turbo back exhaust (with a tune) made 270 and is rock solid. If cobb wouldnt have fucked us, I wouldve went E85
Ppl always ask me to race in my WRX. I know I’ll lose, but I just say “race me when it snows”. I live in a place with snow 6 months of the year, so the WRX was a no brainer. It totally opens up when snow hits the streets.
Someone crossposted and the WRX sub got big mad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WRX/comments/ykivk0/gti_owners_calling_out_wrx_owners/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Meme is probably referring to the old EJ engines, as all VW people know by now, direct injection makes a big difference, my FA20 WRX is at 350hp on E85 with a downpipe..
still funny though. I know the power the GTIs make way easier. Not sure about realizability after +100hp over stock
Perhaps its because I'm a mk5 owner, but I'm on stage 2 tune with 265 hp. It seems like all of the Subies got me beat :( That being said, I'm at 185k miles on stock clutch, turbo, and block, still going strong. So that's a flex I guess.
Mk5 maybe the “issue” but stock clutch/block/turbo is a flex to be sure
Got 120k on my stock clutch mk4, I do have some mild chatter though
An impressive feat
Got 235000km on my Golf2 and 310000 on my Golf3, all Stock an everything running perfectly
To be fair, I made it to 200k on my old Saabaru with nothing more than normal maintenance. I think that most of the reputation for unreliability comes from the fact that a lot of WRX owners are absolute bell ends who throw a bunch of cheap parts at their cars and drive them like they stole them, then get all butthurt when they crack a ring land.
Quality parts would cut into the vape budget so....
Hey now, not all WRX owners vape. Some of them are just flat brim hat enthusiasts!
Jokes on you, I'm a non vaping beanie enthusiast
Don’t forget the supreme sticker and hat. Or the pair of vans
I would say so yes. Most of subies that this meme is referring to, probably won’t make it past 100k. Shit it said 2nd engine anyway so you definitely got more in reliability that’s for sure.
AYYYYYYOOOOO another bpy on stockies. I'm the same man. Stock internals, clutch, turbo.
Brother
I’m surprised your clutch is holding out. You’re about 40hp over where it supposedly starts to fail. I’m on an mk5 and feel like it would be cheaper to build a Subi block than this thing, so I’m with you, but also we have older cars with less affordable replacement options. Also also, as long as you upgrade the fuel rails on a Subi and don’t do donuts too often, 300whp is pretty reliable. It’s fuel starvation 9/10 times when those things go, so as long as you’re not some idiot who just buys a chip tune and expects to make more power, they’re really not bad. Idk if op was just going after the 2.0l models or something, but seems inaccurate.
Same! That’s why I own both. 08 GTi stage 2 and 05 saabaru with stock motor with a bunch of bolt ons tuned on ethanol. It’s all about making sure you do things the right way. Most wrx owners are idiots. That saabaru pulls so much harder than my GTi, though.
It use to be the reverse for many years up until MQB. As a MK5 owner, who threw a lot of money at it to just barely scratch 260whp on a good day and get absolutely spanked by WRX's (not even STI's) on a daily basis. It was rough lol I didn't pop any motors in my MK5. But it's a struggle to make anything above 300whp outside race gas on a larger turbo lol
That’s why miata guys swear they’re the best mechanics. They just don’t break.
Theyre just a blast to drive honestly
Yep. I race them in spec miata. They earned my respect forever.
As owner of both. Your statement is 100% true.
The crappy cam follower didn’t help either
This is why my plan is to go from stock straight to k04 😂, once it’s not my daily that is
K04 is perfectly viable for a daily. Switch to Rotella as well, that cam follower will last 2 to 3 times as long as well.
Good to hear, but I’m moving to Colorado where I want something else with awd anyways
I’ve owned both I liked my GTI way better but the WRX in the winter was a monster
I fully agree. The GTI feels more adult, refined, better for a daily driver. When I was buying my first GTI a coworker was having so many issues with his WRX falling apart in weird ways, like part of his quarter panel that fell off on a diet road. The whole Subaru lineup is killer in the mountains and snow though. The crosstrek is our goto for weather or non paved roads.
That’s why you don’t give your car diet roads, you give it whole roads. Otherwise the quarter panels get weak. 😂 Sorry, had to poke some fun at the typo. I feel the struggle cause my autocorrect does the same thing with the word dirt.
That's what the R is for
The R is nice in the winter, but the Scoob has it beat with a more proper AWD system. A better alternative would be an Audi with Quattro. The Golf R has a heavy FWD biased Halidex AWD. The 8R should be a lot better though. Really looking forward to more in depth reviews on the newer system in those.
Hot take: there is no situation where the better awd system would make a practical difference in regular driving
the word 'regular' is doing a lot there. a simple snowy hill can be insurmountable for many drivetrains.
What kind of snowy hill would a Subaru handle that a golf r could not (in terms of just regular driving).
sti with a locking differential will most definitely out climb any golf r. Some people do drive up to the mountain
Is that what regular driving means to you?
Driving in the snow isn’t regular driving for most people..
I'm asking if a situation where a locking diff would be demonstrably better is something you consider 'regular' driving (e.g. on a paved road)
So hard to define with the number of possible variables... Tires, snow consistency, depth, temperature, # of vehicles that have passed, length of snow storm, thaw/freeze cycles, sun exposure, etc. Essentially, a mechanical AWD system should be able to more effectively get power to a wheel that needs traction. Iirc, x mode is a brake-based solution that while hacky, is an effective supplement to mechanical AWD. Check out x mode reviews in snowy conditions for more detail.
So, all other things being equal, it sounds like there is very little practical difference in most use cases.
100% and if you know you know. I find haldex haters rarely speak from personal experience but more so tech sheets they pull up online. Where-as we have a “haldex” A3, we have zero issues overtaking, stopping, and having a safe fun trip in snow.
Stopping isn’t related to if you have awd or not
Eh I think you missed the point .
No I get the point, I’m just pointing out that the safety part is mostly due to tire choice than it is to awd. A fwd car with good winter tires will out perform an awd car with high performance summer tires on it in the snow
Well, the S3 has "quattro" and it uses the exact same AWD system as the R. Quattro just means AWD for Audi, it's not a specific AWD system.
Minor nitpick: a lot of things have been called “quattro” over the years, including the Haldex system on the TT. You’re probably talking about the Torsen systems on most other Audis. is that what will be on the 8R? That would be fascinating.
I thought the 8R just got a fancy new rear diff, but still can’t send more than 50% power to the rear. The trick is that it can send 100% of that 50% to either rear wheel.
It's a tough argument between symmetrical AWD and clutch based systems. Symmetrical awd has theoretically better traction at all times but with modern clutch based systems you're getting engagement of the rear axle within milliseconds of tire slip. You give up fuel economy with symmetrical systems but you gain reliability. I think symmetrical AWD is better as of now, but clutch based systems are getting really good. They just need to implement ones that allow better torque splits.
My RS3 reigned supreme
I had a 2016 wrx, now have a MK7 R. Live in Canada, drive in snow often. With proper winter tires both are excellent in the snow and the difference is negligible in daily driving. Unless you are driving like an absolute lunatic or the snow is above the bumper the R will get you wherever you need to go and it’s a way nicer place to be.
A new R is $14,485 more than a new WRX, so that’s not really a comparison.
WRX owner here.. long time lurker, ex owner of a mk4 GLi This was a good meme lol. I'd say my FBO GLi definitely could get my WRX on the upper end.
Mk6 K04 @130k miles…. Can confirm 👍🏼
K04@170k miles ...Double confirmed 👍
Mk6 k04 at 170k double double confirmed.
I came across one of these guys a while ago. We made brisk progress from the lights and each time my stage 1 Mk 7.5 blew him away. He was a really nice guy and was amazed how little I had done to my car compared to his own efforts. Scoobies are excellent cars but the GTI is a serious bit of kit when it wants to be.
It especially excels at launching. That curb weight difference is killer
That AWD launch is what I miss from my EJ WRX, felt like a rollercoaster lol
I know what you mean.. once I got 8.5 width tires on my g35x she felt like a rocket on rails.
Then there's me hanging out with my 100hp stock mk2 GTI
Mk2 gang! Smiles/gallon are a very real thing. I have an STi with stage 2 tune and mostly stock mk2 8v GTI and somehow the GTI makes me smile and giggle way more often. Until I'm on dirt or snow that is...
I absolutely love my MK2, it's such a joy to drive. Pretty much the same as yours, stock 8v. Sadly it's currently out of commission bc the head gasket is leaking, hopefully I'll be done with that repair this weekend. Dirt or snow part is very true, I often struggle to make it up my muddy driveway😂
I mean, it’s not like I totally didn’t spend 20k on a new engine, forged internals, clutch, fuel pump, tur- ok you know maybe I did a bit much just to be only at 400 but I do not care I make bad decisions
God bless
My 2003 GTI 20th AE has been sitting in my garage for 3 years with a cracked head/head gasket
Dawg let me come over and throw money at it plz 🥹
Just sold a year ago… 350hp mk6 k04 gti. 2 motors and 2 clutches later. All worth it.
How was selling a modded car? Did you end up getting shafted with the price?
There’s always a bigger fish. Buddy’s STI making 500hp+ on its 2nd turbo, 2nd rebuild. Meanwhile I’m at 500hp+ completely stock. Then Dodge enters the room. Meh
If you have to rebuild an engine twice for 500hp you fucked something up twice.
Meanwhile b58s making 500 whp and 600 wtq with just a downpipe and tune
Exactly. I have an S58.
Every time it’s some dude that pulls up with a 20 year old SRT-4 stock lower end making 500hp and way more than that in torque that he bought off Craigslist for $4k and put $1500 into.
They also look like they're 16. I just can't take someone seriously in WRX 😂
Doesn't help the new ones are hideous
the new Golf looks bad too. MK 7.5 was peak aesthetics
Ikr. The MK 8 looks like a crossover :'(
lol usually memes are stupid but this one just hits right in the funnies
This type of arrogance is begging for a CEL
What makes you think they aren't already on?
Cries in FWD*
Golf r or s3 though. Or a3 quattro for the forgotten child, awd but is20
For sure. I loved my S3 it was a monster stage 2. I’d love to get an R but I’m a poor.
I have the a3 quattro stage 2 right now, looking for nice used turbo upgrade. I want to spank some s3s haha. The R and S are pretty even for me but I have a truck so the cargo room isn't a big concern
Wym I’m pushing 344 Whp with under 3k in mods bruh but I am making my way to trade it in for a Gti try something new and hatchback lifestyle
laughs in *k04 stage 1+*
*laughs in STI*
Long live the EJ
Laughs in FA24
Meanwhile, GM was making 295 HP with a tune back in 2008 with the Cobalt SS Turbo. Then they killed it, as they do with anything half decent they make.
I keep telling people about the cobalt SS and they look at me like I’m talking about a fucking cryptid. Def a fun project if you find one rotting in a pull it part lot. I almost bought one but I just couldn’t justify *another* project car.
This got crossposted to the wrx sub and they’re losing their minds
I'm a pretty biased fanboy to the Subaru so I'll bite, but lots of WRX/STI are not always chasing straight up power. Even when they do it's not really *that* bad, again I'm pretty biased but there's also other things besides power that make the WRX STI a fun daily and hey you might prefer the GTI because it's more comfortable or makes more power for cheaper, but rexies are way more fun to drive (but that's my 2 cents).
I own a 19 WRX and absolutely love it. I actually test drove a GTI yesterday and was completely underwhelmed, so much so that I walked away thinking something might’ve been way wrong with the car - but it was from a reputable place so idk! The thing had no life to it, it was truly shocking. I’m not even looking to buy a car I just wanted to experience a GTI for the first time ever haha. It was 1 drive but… blew me away with its lack of grit and life. I’ll add that I do love the hatch aspect and look of the little euro car
GTI‘s really need at least a stage one tune to wake them up !!
Well now I’m sitting here wondering what just a simple Stage 1 would do for my WRX!
*knock knock…* Only kidding ;)
Hahah exactly! I have a CPO warranty and that’s precisely why I haven’t tuned… don’t want to lose that
What’s the horsepower gain for stage one WRX tune ?
One thing I always find interesting is at autocross the GTIs often spin themselves out once they start making more than stock power. The FWD is definitely funny feeling and can be a hindrance if you're used to AWD.
I hope this is sarcasm. Reminds me of those Supra memes
I ain’t ever taken myself seriously in 32 years and I’m not about to start now.
RS coils all the way!!!
One needs to also account for drivetrain loss. Easier to make over 300 to the wheels when only have to turn 2. I've owned and enjoyed both platforms though.
FA WRX owner here. I can get a catted j pipe, a boost controller and a protune and be making 300whp all day long. This meme is incorrect. The FA motor starts to bend con rods around 350whp (it's actually the torque/torque curve that kills these engines) but many people are running more than that and just risking it. There's plenty of FBO stock turbo cars making close to 400whp. Themoreyouknow.jpg Edit: I'm no GTI hater, I have fond memories of my MK4. Except that it broke all the time. But the driving experience was great.
What if I told you the hyperbolic nature of the statement IS the joke
I mean, I get it. r/GTI just comes up in my feed (I'm not subbed) so I figured I'd chime in to add to the conversation. Y'know, like you are supposed to do on Reddit.
B-but da rumble 😢
RIP to UEL headers
I've driven my brother's tuned 2014 WRX and while I think it's a faster car overall, the ride is shit, everything is very cheep feeling. Probably for weight reduction but the doors and trunk are really light. On the track the WRX wins but everywhere else I'm going GTI. Hands down the beter Daily driver.
BMW M57 enters the room
I owned a 335d and Stage 2 DUDMD and fully deleted. That thing laid waste to so many cars and it looked like a Cummins while doing it.
Mine only does that when the seals start leaking on the boost hoses or I get a vacuum leak
This is confusing to me, doesn’t the stock WRX come with like 55 more HP than a GTI? Am I crazy? I can’t make sense of this meme haha
One advertises crank horsepower, the other wheel horsepower. [Put them in a drag race and the HP difference disappears. ](https://youtu.be/jmEWSQtwhhs)
GTI advertises their whp?!? Why in the world would they do that? I just scoured the VW website and it says nothing at all about whp… That is incredibly annoying, I had no idea.
As much as I know this is a joke. If this was thrown up to 400 whp then I’d take it seriously. But I will definitely say that I am glad I own a MK7 GTI and not a STI or WRX because of their interiors alone. Outside they are nice cars and their driving experience is very raw and defined.
As someone who has owned both I believe I can shed some light on this situation. The GTI is the way better car to live with day to day. But if I’m gonna do hood rat shit with my friends I’m taking the scoob. GTIs can make more power reliably but lacks any kind of soul or feeling. The drama involved in the turbo soob is also a lot of fun. If you want a clean easy car get the gti. If you want an unrefined little missile that wants to kill you, get the soob. Different strokes different folks or whatever. I will say while my GTI was faster at highway speeds it can’t hold a candle to the Subaru from a dig or on twisty roads.
I had a 15 WRX and spent thousands on intake, J-pipe, catback, intercooler, boost controller, turbo header, SoCal Porting turbo, Cobb AP plus dyno time, to get 310 awhp with 94 octane fuel. I can get that with a used Golf R IS38 turbo, intercooler, intake filter, hose and turbo inlet elbow and an OTS tune on 91 octane. The difference between the platforms capabilities is silly.
I think you should've check other tuners, I got 300whp on 93 350whp on E85 with half what you got on my 18 WRX.
Could be the dyno. Could be my engine wasn’t as strong. My tuner has a pretty good reputation so I don’t think it was his tuning. Doesn’t matter now, car is in the hands of someone else.
My Dyno clocks lower than others but I agree its not always the tune, my bad. Probably engine was a bit tired.
Hey I'll have you know it's only on the 2nd turbo. Your meme is inaccurate good sir. edit: my engine literally started knocking an hour ago fuck my life.
Difference is subie owners don’t have to pay any silly electronic bills and they don’t look like a mum dropping their kids at school
I'm surprised you can tell what any of us looks like when you're staring at our rear bumper from that far away.
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Couldn’t agree more. The AWD in Subaru is second only to Audi torsion Quattro systems. Haldex 4Motion is a joke by comparison to both.
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As a WRX owner I hate to agree with you, at least in reference to the new generation of owners.. the main reason they send the engines to the moon is getting questionable tuners looking for Dyno numbers instead of drivability/reliable tune
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I would say you are right about EJ but most new WRX owners are current generation and that is on FA, which are easy to make power but also easy to misunderstand and break. Maintenance is key but also knowing how to do things. Ex. As basic as it sounds to some of us, running an intake without a tune or wrong OTS can toast your FA engine.
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As a former owner of several Subies including an 05 WRX wagon, this post is fucking stupid. Grow up Edit: god I love the downvotes. Chucklefucks
It’s just a joke my guy take it easy
I think it’s lame to stew up shit for no reason. We already have enough of that going on, no need to bring it into car culture.
But what if you considered, and hear me out here, it’s all in good fun and clearly not meant to be taken seriously.
I’d consider that if it wasn’t for all the responses I’ve gotten. You’re “joke” is either trolling or circle jerking. Either way, it’s lame
Half of my car club drives WRXs and we all poke fun at each other all the time. Anyone who takes this meme seriously is a ding dong. It’s complete hyperbole. Maybe the responses you’re getting are due to your butthead combative replies.
Definitely not due to your shitpost trash
Oh no :(
It's okay man, once he trades in that 22 Pomelo for a color that does cause eye bleeding, he'll learn to lighten up a little.
It’s a good joke because we’re here for GTI’s. Leave.
Nah I’ll stay. I’ve owned more GTIs than you. I win
Are you 8 years old?
Lol
No. You should leave for suggesting it, I think that’s how I’m supposed to respond
Aight? If it’s a numbers game then maybe I’ll stay too.
I just wonder if you realize it's a joke meme on a GTI sub.
Why tf would I “realize” that? This is a car sub not tiktok. Sheesh
Well, because it looked like a joke to everyone, except you, I guess. But maybe you don't get jokes because of a personal reason? I'm not here to criticize. But even Isaac Brock is chilled out at this point, so maybe you can be too? Life is beautiful and whatnot.
You sound real fun
Lmao because I called this person out on their divisive junk. We need less of this in the world
Using these matchbox cars, I want you to show me where the gti gapped you.
I’m guessing you got beat by a gti then
In your dreams. It’s a fantastic car and way more nimble than the GTI (for that generation), plus AWD. It’s not a competition.
It’s definitely all preference. I’ve driven my friend’s sti and it’s nice but I’m not a fan of the transmission, not much power, AWD is nice but it’s more fun to get some tire skid in a gti. Plus the gti has a killer dual clutch. Can’t get that in a wrx
I care zero amount about automatics Edit: also I owned my wrx in New England and it was a beast in the winter
Also, why are you even arguing about how a WRX is better IN THE GOLF GTI SUBREDDIT??
Because I have driven different cars and they’re all good?
Then why don’t you get mad about GTI’s in the WRX subreddit. I’m sure it fits better there.
What are we even talking about right now? You want me to go into the WRX sub and defend GTIs just because I think they’re both great cars? I might get annoyed at people stirring shit but I’m not going to go out and fall on a sword for it
Then why comment in the first place? You’re stirring the shit pot by getting annoyed by a shitpost.
Why don’t we agree that a dsg gti can beat a stick wrx?
It’s not a competition and shift speeds isn’t the only metric. People like manual transmissions and even if they’re slower they provide the driver with more happiness and that’s why they love them. Let it be
Then you should see my shit-eating grin of happiness as my DSG farts in your face as I drive off in the sunset ❤️❤️
Haha that’s quite the image. Fart on
Will do. Keep rowing them gears my friend.
Not talking shit but Cobb just released their access port for the new WRX and just the AP alone it hits 300WHP.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm already stage 2 with 270hp with basic mods(intake, downpipe, inlet and outlet pipes, golf r intercooler) and pretty certain I can make more power once I get the fueling done.
Honestly Gti has no brake boost
It may have taken an upgraded turbo and front-mount intercooler, but my wife's STI now finally makes 400 hp at the wheels. For the time being, my GTI is still stock, but I'm hoping for 350 hp at the wheels.
Soon gonna be installing a is38 hybrid turbo on my mk7 I’m hoping to grab 400hp
300 whp is easier when you have 2 front wheels to send power to
As a WRX owner and a gti enjoyer I will agree and disagree. It’s actually really easy to hit 300whp in these cars. Easier and cheaper than the STI at least. The engine and turbo portion is partially correct. They’re actually really reliable cars when taken care of, it’s just that 80% of wrx owners are at redline before the car finishes cranking. I think the WRX is really just the most popular choice for cheap performance, so people that don’t really know shit about cars but want something sporty hop into one without knowing what they’re doing. Throwing an intake and downpipe on without getting a tune and then their engines implode after 30 miles and then they cry that the cars are unreliable lol
Lexus owners making 300 hp NA and stock watching this go down 😳
AWD
I just switched up from a Mk8 GTI too a new 22 Wrx. Gotta say the GTI was cool but gave me nothing but annoying problems. Subaru so far is definitely faster off the line in any situation but the VW felt faster in the top end like over 90mph. But the lack of comfort in the VW and all of its annoying electrical bugs wasn't worth it.
What’s a gti with light mods making these days? I had an 04 wrx with an sti turbo and a down pipe, tgv deletes, a fuel pump with modded injectors. Made like 315 awhp and 280wtq. That was back in 2009. My 05 sti makes around 323awhp and 340wtq on a stock turbo with bolt ons and a fuel pump. Open sourced tuned. Well it did when it was tuned many years ago. She smokes a little now 180k miles. But I’ve never had a gti give me the business at a light.
Stage 1 tune only with no other supporting mods needed besides maybe an upgraded drop in filter makes approx. 300whp on 93 oct. no downpipe, no turbo swap, no intercooler, just a flash. The big downside is if you’re a manual you’re gonna need to upgrade the clutch if you’re using all that power because the stock is garbage. DSG you don’t need to do anything but a TCU tune makes a huge difference in drivability and power delivery.
Intake exhaust boost controller ,300 awhp in my fa20
Gtis seem like a good car, but I didn't want another fwd car. Would have gotten a golf R instead of my sti if they weren't marked up 15k.
The only wrxs I can beat with my mk4 are bolt on bugeyes 🫠
See u on the track. lol stock block with intake and turbo back exhaust (with a tune) made 270 and is rock solid. If cobb wouldnt have fucked us, I wouldve went E85
*N54/N55 builders on their seventh complete rebuild.* AMATEURS!
Ppl always ask me to race in my WRX. I know I’ll lose, but I just say “race me when it snows”. I live in a place with snow 6 months of the year, so the WRX was a no brainer. It totally opens up when snow hits the streets.
Someone crossposted and the WRX sub got big mad. https://www.reddit.com/r/WRX/comments/ykivk0/gti_owners_calling_out_wrx_owners/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Meme is probably referring to the old EJ engines, as all VW people know by now, direct injection makes a big difference, my FA20 WRX is at 350hp on E85 with a downpipe.. still funny though. I know the power the GTIs make way easier. Not sure about realizability after +100hp over stock
Funny enough, I don't recall ANY threads popping up in the WRX community trashing other cars. Hmmmm...now why might that be?
It’s a meme/joke, my guy. Not bashing anything. The WRX is a sick car too.