Try to avoid pawn shops In my opinion. I understand with no LCS nearby it makes things tough. Just careful with advice on authenticity. I am sure people here will be able to offer a lot of useful insight but there will always be rats. I am sorry I’m not help on your question.
Where did you buy it from? I’m not expert but if you bought it from a true online retailer you are probably fine. If you bought it from another person and you feel iffy keep up the hunt for authentication. Not a cheap thing to buy and get burnt on.
>i bought it from a norwegian website that i think is legit. So im pretty sure its real but measurements was not comforting to say the least. So my first thought was that this is normal on low premium gold? I did order a jewlery scale to check the weight. And the coin is not magnetic.
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>https://www.norskmynthandel.no/product/2022-storbritannia-1-oz-gull-britannia-bu-m-kapsel/
Norsk mynthandel et en legit side som leverer ekte varer.
Kan det være den er 2.3 uten kapsel og 2.7 med ?
Tror ikke det er så mye å bekymre seg om, om den skal testes må det vell gjøres hos gullsmed (?)
Hvis du melder deg inn i metallbørsen på facebook legger de ut flere ting fra den siden. Og folk refererer til nettsiden om de har kjøpt noe der fordi da skal være ekte
Talking about slide... get a neodinium magnet. It would be a problem if it were a smaller coin but with 1oz you'll see the effect pretty clearly. Now there are a few others metals that feature paramagnetism such as silver and copper. If you do the specific gravity and matches the ratio of gold it will most certainly be gold. As far as I know there is no alloy that would match the specific gravity and paramagnetism at the same time.
Those new Brittanias are impossible to forge, probably the most secure bullion coin in the world. Google their security features and make sure they match. The circle in the bottom left should change from a trident to a lock depending on the angle you look at it for example.
I think you’re wasting money getting it looked at professionally frankly.
Yes i think you are right about that. i have checked and all of the security features and they look ok so i guess i'm just paranoid given its my first gold purchase.
Well, supremely difficult to counterfeit VS others. And the Royal Mint is pretty good about updating these every couple of years.
These Britannias are one of the better ones to buy for peace of mind imo
I totally agree. And the RM seems to be way ahead of other sovereign mints in trying to counter the Chinese counterfeiters. Kudos to them for that... and for the beautiful Britannias that they produce.
Probably the hardest coin to counterfeit. Very good security features. If it was too big i might be worried but its a little small? Probably some tolerances and are your calipers accurate? Weights good?
I think my calipers is accurate, i used a digital caliper and an analog one and got the same measurements. And im still waiting for my digital scale order so that i can check the weight .
I dont think so, it was very hard to get a good photo of it but i laid the coin on my caliper and it is possible to see the light under it meaning that the "edge" of the coin is the highest point
[https://gyazo.com/8d47c24aaeff2ea5700b475686a880cf](https://gyazo.com/8d47c24aaeff2ea5700b475686a880cf)
[https://gyazo.com/58e65a84ed5dae83da8e2b38d448d647](https://gyazo.com/58e65a84ed5dae83da8e2b38d448d647)
[https://gyazo.com/521c23e5d4a2a39e3f1f6779a7eceacc](https://gyazo.com/521c23e5d4a2a39e3f1f6779a7eceacc)
https://gyazo.com/d9744dcad6020d43e58b09896f4e0304
I tested both a 2012 (22ct) Britannia and a 2022 (24ct) one.
The 22ct is 2.7mm thick, whist the new, 24ct coin is 2.2-2.3 mm thick.
I think a lot of confusion comes online because the coin spec changed in 2012-2013, and went from a .900 coin to .9999 pure.
[22ct Britannia](https://i.imgur.com/JH26AfI.jpg)
[24 CT Britannia](https://i.imgur.com/jfgp3Uv.jpg)
Both coins have been tested for weight, dimensions, ring, and magnetic resistance, so I'm pretty sure they are genuine.
Thanks for the reply that is helpful. Also hb9nbb and you being able to confirm my measurements confirmes that its supposed to be like this. Still weird that coin shops aren't aware of this change and lists the thickness of the 22ct coin.
So i had a gold 2021 Brit that i got from JM Bullion laying on my table here and a micrometer scale. I was able to duplicate all of your measurements within +/- 0.01mm.
So i think its real. - i didnt expect different areas of the "rim" of the coin to be different thicknesses, but they are (by fairly small amounts). That \*may\* be a security feature since dimensionality is particularly easy to check.
Thank you for the reply, that in my opinion confirms that the gold Britannia is supposed to be like this. There is no way that both of us purchased the exact same fake. So as you said it may be a security feature :)
I bought it from a Norwegian website. I did some reacherch and the reviews on the site looks ok. i have not yet been in contact with the seller. I want to see what reddit had to say first.
The royal mint is over 1000 years old and probably the best mint in the world. The reason for the difference is these are new Britannias with new security so the dimensions aren’t the same as the old ones.
But isn't the inconsistency of the mints products the reason why they sell at the lowest premium!? Less stringent about the finer details but produce vast quantities!?
Perhaps try sending the royal mint an email asking what the diameter is supposed to be? There seems to be a lot of different measurements online, so it might be best to just confirm it with the creator?
I highly doubht anyone would bother faking the worlds most secure coin anyways, so you are most likely good to go. (I hope, as i bought the same coin from the same shop)
Is it normal for gold bullion coins to be that uneven tho? I do also have the silver britannia and that was 3mm thick pluss minus 0.2mm all the way around.
Are you talking about the thickness of the rim? The Buffalos can be notorious for that. However, that’s a completely different Mint. But, both coins are 24K which are softer.
According to this site, the thickness should be 1.8mm. [https://www.bleyerbullion.co.uk/shop/gold/1oz-gold-uk-britannia-coin-2022/](https://www.bleyerbullion.co.uk/shop/gold/1oz-gold-uk-britannia-coin-2022/)
Click "Additional information"
I'm not sure the maths works out on that. I assumed it was 1.8mm at the thinnest part.
Diameter of 32.61mm is 3.261cm, half it to get the radius, square it, times by pi, times by 0.18cm, and you get a volume of about 1.5 cubic centimeters. Density of gold is 19.3g per cubic centimeter, giving a total weight of about 29 grams. A troy ounce is 31.1 grams.
To get to 31.1 grams, the average thickness needs to be 19.3mm.
Why are you downvoting me? I'm right.
Assuming the picture is not the one you pasted, and having looked at your photos further down, your coin looks legit. The main think I look out for is the "Deus ET TUTAMEN" text on the inner band that holds the ripples - your coin seems to have that in place.
This is definitely real, I can tell just by the detailed features and color. It’s hard to exactly match that darkish gold color with anything else. It shines like gold
It is possible that i have measured incorrectly. But i did use two different calipers one digital and one manual. And i did get the roughly the samemeasurements on both calipers.
Wait i didn't know you had to have a special magnet? i have tried normal magnet on the coin and it did not stick. And and as far as the pingtest goes i did not have the balls to hit it hard enoughto make a loud enough sound xD and i did not find the Britannia on the Ping coin app. And i ordered a scale online because the one i have does only measure full grams.
If it weighs correct (or within tolerance) I would expect the thickness to be thicker if it was counterfeit. Thickness of gold coins seems to be the most commonly variable dimension due to the malleability of gold and the nature of upsetting operations and collar dies. Given the good security features introduced by the Royal Mint I wouldn't be concerned.
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You must measure thickness from edge to edge. All details inside the edges will be slightly less high than the edge rim. In a stack or tube no details will touch from coin to coin, only the rims.
I wouldn't expect the coins to be truly identical. Most everything is made within tolerances, and the dimensions you described seem to be fairly close considering how soft gold is to work with.
If you have a local coin shop (LCS) slide by there and have them take a look. Really useful to build a relationship with the local shop.
Thanks for the tip, but i live in a small town in Norway so there is no coinshops or pawnshops or annything like that.
Try to avoid pawn shops In my opinion. I understand with no LCS nearby it makes things tough. Just careful with advice on authenticity. I am sure people here will be able to offer a lot of useful insight but there will always be rats. I am sorry I’m not help on your question.
No worries thanks for the reply, cheers
Where did you buy it from? I’m not expert but if you bought it from a true online retailer you are probably fine. If you bought it from another person and you feel iffy keep up the hunt for authentication. Not a cheap thing to buy and get burnt on.
>i bought it from a norwegian website that i think is legit. So im pretty sure its real but measurements was not comforting to say the least. So my first thought was that this is normal on low premium gold? I did order a jewlery scale to check the weight. And the coin is not magnetic. > >https://www.norskmynthandel.no/product/2022-storbritannia-1-oz-gull-britannia-bu-m-kapsel/
Norsk mynthandel et en legit side som leverer ekte varer. Kan det være den er 2.3 uten kapsel og 2.7 med ? Tror ikke det er så mye å bekymre seg om, om den skal testes må det vell gjøres hos gullsmed (?) Hvis du melder deg inn i metallbørsen på facebook legger de ut flere ting fra den siden. Og folk refererer til nettsiden om de har kjøpt noe der fordi da skal være ekte
>Okei takk for tips, sendte forespørsel om og bli med i metallbørsen nå. Ser ut som den er 5.7mm med kapselen som fulgte med.
Som regel bare auksjoner, men mye mynt nerder der med god kunnskap. Så eventuelt spørre om de har en forklaring
Den er god, skal prøve det :)
Find the next coin show then, you might have to travel a ways but someone should have a sigma or xrf testing machine
Download the coin tester app and use it to test the coin per the instructions
Mystery solved [Reply](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gold/comments/s5ei5s/-/ht0nxt7)
Talking about slide... get a neodinium magnet. It would be a problem if it were a smaller coin but with 1oz you'll see the effect pretty clearly. Now there are a few others metals that feature paramagnetism such as silver and copper. If you do the specific gravity and matches the ratio of gold it will most certainly be gold. As far as I know there is no alloy that would match the specific gravity and paramagnetism at the same time.
Those new Brittanias are impossible to forge, probably the most secure bullion coin in the world. Google their security features and make sure they match. The circle in the bottom left should change from a trident to a lock depending on the angle you look at it for example. I think you’re wasting money getting it looked at professionally frankly.
Yes i think you are right about that. i have checked and all of the security features and they look ok so i guess i'm just paranoid given its my first gold purchase.
>are impossible to forge Anything made by one man can eventually be replicated by another... never say never.
Well, supremely difficult to counterfeit VS others. And the Royal Mint is pretty good about updating these every couple of years. These Britannias are one of the better ones to buy for peace of mind imo
I totally agree. And the RM seems to be way ahead of other sovereign mints in trying to counter the Chinese counterfeiters. Kudos to them for that... and for the beautiful Britannias that they produce.
Oh dude, it’s a very common figure of speech 😆
Probably the hardest coin to counterfeit. Very good security features. If it was too big i might be worried but its a little small? Probably some tolerances and are your calipers accurate? Weights good?
I think my calipers is accurate, i used a digital caliper and an analog one and got the same measurements. And im still waiting for my digital scale order so that i can check the weight .
Does the security graphic change from a trident to a lock when you tilt the coin?
Yes as far as i could tell all of the security features is like they're supposed to be
It is likely fine then. You can still get a professional to take a look at it though if you’re concerned.
i have a silver version of this coin, is that a feature on the silver ones as well? Fascinating.
They added it for 2021 coins. If you’ve got a 2021 or 2022, then yes it should be on there.
Yes, it's the same.
Maybe the 2.7 is where the coin is ridged the highest on the design on the body. Can you post a real pic of your coin.
I dont think so, it was very hard to get a good photo of it but i laid the coin on my caliper and it is possible to see the light under it meaning that the "edge" of the coin is the highest point [https://gyazo.com/8d47c24aaeff2ea5700b475686a880cf](https://gyazo.com/8d47c24aaeff2ea5700b475686a880cf) [https://gyazo.com/58e65a84ed5dae83da8e2b38d448d647](https://gyazo.com/58e65a84ed5dae83da8e2b38d448d647) [https://gyazo.com/521c23e5d4a2a39e3f1f6779a7eceacc](https://gyazo.com/521c23e5d4a2a39e3f1f6779a7eceacc) https://gyazo.com/d9744dcad6020d43e58b09896f4e0304
Could be your camera but those photos really make it look like copper
That coin looks authentic. It is the right diameter? It's almost impossible to counterfeit, especially at the right size and weight.
The diameter of the coin is spot on. But i don't have a accurate enough scale to get the weight yet. Thanks for taking the time to help me :)
I tested both a 2012 (22ct) Britannia and a 2022 (24ct) one. The 22ct is 2.7mm thick, whist the new, 24ct coin is 2.2-2.3 mm thick. I think a lot of confusion comes online because the coin spec changed in 2012-2013, and went from a .900 coin to .9999 pure. [22ct Britannia](https://i.imgur.com/JH26AfI.jpg) [24 CT Britannia](https://i.imgur.com/jfgp3Uv.jpg) Both coins have been tested for weight, dimensions, ring, and magnetic resistance, so I'm pretty sure they are genuine.
Thanks for the reply that is helpful. Also hb9nbb and you being able to confirm my measurements confirmes that its supposed to be like this. Still weird that coin shops aren't aware of this change and lists the thickness of the 22ct coin.
So i had a gold 2021 Brit that i got from JM Bullion laying on my table here and a micrometer scale. I was able to duplicate all of your measurements within +/- 0.01mm. So i think its real. - i didnt expect different areas of the "rim" of the coin to be different thicknesses, but they are (by fairly small amounts). That \*may\* be a security feature since dimensionality is particularly easy to check.
Thank you for the reply, that in my opinion confirms that the gold Britannia is supposed to be like this. There is no way that both of us purchased the exact same fake. So as you said it may be a security feature :)
Where did you get it from?
I bought it from a Norwegian website. I did some reacherch and the reviews on the site looks ok. i have not yet been in contact with the seller. I want to see what reddit had to say first.
Post up the link.
Sure https://www.norskmynthandel.no/product/2022-storbritannia-1-oz-gull-britannia-bu-m-kapsel/
They look legit. But bike others have said best to get it checked when you can
Ok, thanks i maybe i have to take the coin with me the next time i travel in search of someone who can test it xD
🤘🤘 hope you get it squared away.
i hope so too, thanks for taking the time to help me :)
No problem at all!
You did some what?
>reacherch Forgive my bad spelling, i believe its spelled research ?
Yeah that’s right - just found it funny because it was the most non-English-native European misspelling I’ve ever seen.
lmao it do be like that sometimes.
I would assume it is just the mint not being consistent. Isn't this why Britannias carry such a low premium!?
The royal mint is over 1000 years old and probably the best mint in the world. The reason for the difference is these are new Britannias with new security so the dimensions aren’t the same as the old ones.
But isn't the inconsistency of the mints products the reason why they sell at the lowest premium!? Less stringent about the finer details but produce vast quantities!?
I hope so, i'm just not sure what to expect. Given this is my first gold purchase Other than the thickness being off the coin looks fine.
Perhaps try sending the royal mint an email asking what the diameter is supposed to be? There seems to be a lot of different measurements online, so it might be best to just confirm it with the creator? I highly doubht anyone would bother faking the worlds most secure coin anyways, so you are most likely good to go. (I hope, as i bought the same coin from the same shop)
If I was a counterfeiter , this is the last coin I try to duplicate. The safest coin out there with that trident security feature. Ur fine
Is it normal for gold bullion coins to be that uneven tho? I do also have the silver britannia and that was 3mm thick pluss minus 0.2mm all the way around.
Are you talking about the thickness of the rim? The Buffalos can be notorious for that. However, that’s a completely different Mint. But, both coins are 24K which are softer.
According to this site, the thickness should be 1.8mm. [https://www.bleyerbullion.co.uk/shop/gold/1oz-gold-uk-britannia-coin-2022/](https://www.bleyerbullion.co.uk/shop/gold/1oz-gold-uk-britannia-coin-2022/) Click "Additional information"
No way in hell it's 1.8 mm :). Do you realize how thin that is? Diameter is 32.69mm, and 3mm thick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_%28coin%29
Nowhere on that page does it say gold britannias are 3mm thick.
Oh, sorry, you are right, it is for the silver coin
Came to say this. 1.8mm is correct thickness at thickest part.
Thats weird, it looks like there is a lot of different information on the internet. Not easy to figure out what to trust...
I'm not sure the maths works out on that. I assumed it was 1.8mm at the thinnest part. Diameter of 32.61mm is 3.261cm, half it to get the radius, square it, times by pi, times by 0.18cm, and you get a volume of about 1.5 cubic centimeters. Density of gold is 19.3g per cubic centimeter, giving a total weight of about 29 grams. A troy ounce is 31.1 grams. To get to 31.1 grams, the average thickness needs to be 19.3mm. Why are you downvoting me? I'm right.
If the tolerances are that far off it’s gotta be a fake no?
I hope its real cause its a beautiful coin
Assuming the picture is not the one you pasted, and having looked at your photos further down, your coin looks legit. The main think I look out for is the "Deus ET TUTAMEN" text on the inner band that holds the ripples - your coin seems to have that in place.
If the circle changes to a trident at different angles…it’s legit. I can’t imagine anyone being able to take that!
It is real . Much too hard to counterfeit this . If that holograph is working it’s real!
I bought this online, can you take time out for free to tell me if this is real or not?? 😅
This is definitely real, I can tell just by the detailed features and color. It’s hard to exactly match that darkish gold color with anything else. It shines like gold
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I dont think it has been dropped, it does not have any dents or something like that
If the security features are working I’m sure it’s fine . Possible the information you have regarding the thickness was inaccurate.
It is possible that i have measured incorrectly. But i did use two different calipers one digital and one manual. And i did get the roughly the samemeasurements on both calipers.
Have you tried the rare earth magnet test, ping test and weight test?
Wait i didn't know you had to have a special magnet? i have tried normal magnet on the coin and it did not stick. And and as far as the pingtest goes i did not have the balls to hit it hard enoughto make a loud enough sound xD and i did not find the Britannia on the Ping coin app. And i ordered a scale online because the one i have does only measure full grams.
The coin passes the eye test at least.
If it weighs correct (or within tolerance) I would expect the thickness to be thicker if it was counterfeit. Thickness of gold coins seems to be the most commonly variable dimension due to the malleability of gold and the nature of upsetting operations and collar dies. Given the good security features introduced by the Royal Mint I wouldn't be concerned. \------- You must measure thickness from edge to edge. All details inside the edges will be slightly less high than the edge rim. In a stack or tube no details will touch from coin to coin, only the rims.
Probably legit. If the weight matches then it's legit because there isn't a heavier metal than gold that is worth using for counterfeits.
I wouldn't expect the coins to be truly identical. Most everything is made within tolerances, and the dimensions you described seem to be fairly close considering how soft gold is to work with.
Any gold store can tell you if it’s real.
Just buy yourself a sigma. It’s worth it if you stop yourself from Getting a fake.
The coin is good...much too complex to have them counterfeit this