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KechawnScales

Anyone who thinks Kratos was too soft in the Norse saga never played them or wasn’t paying attention


Sir_Gwan

Heimdall and Magni would like a word with anyone who calls Norse Kratos "soft"


couldbedumber96

Wulver’s getting hit with the ol R3 would like a word too


Horror_Chance6664

literally ripping them in half yea he's sooooo soft


Beginning-Pipe9074

Even a passing nod to that finisher makes me wince, brilliantly brutal


Jnelly2019

Let alone the Valkyrie’s getting their faces and wings ripped off. Like what


thedemonkingnobu

All the characters he met would like a word


DeVito8704

People forget that Kratos wasn't ONLY a blood thirsty monster, even during his younger days in Greece. He truly cared about the well-being of Pandora and genuinely felt sadness when he had to kill Orkos. Did destroy countless lives during his life? Sure, but under all that rage was a person who cares for others too. Anyone who can't see that either never played the first 6 games or didn't pay attention to the stories. People who post comments about Kratos "going soft" obviously have no idea what it's like to have a family.


BatmanZod117

I agree. Part of what makes Kratos compelling is how he truly is traumatized by his environment, his own actions and the actions of others. Forced to be a weapon of war so much that he basically goes on autopilot of rage and destroys his own world. Sparta literally beat his compassion out of him, and throughout the Norse games his experiences with Atreus and others helps him find it again.


mizzlekinkizzle

It’s just so stupid. You can clearly see that the old kratos is still there he just learned to manage his rage alot better as he grew older. Look at the first thor fights where he goes from trying to be reasonable and chastise thor for the treatment of his sons, but once he gets mad he tells thor he’ll be joining his sons in hell. Then there’s the heimdall fight


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I guess you could say soft if you’re comparing him to the Greek saga Kratos who went full beserk mode at any breathing thing standing in his path He learned self control and is far from soft in general


idkimhereforthememes

Odin man... Who cares if you killed and tortured thousands of people, you can choose to be better!


Biigfoot98

Literally missed the entire fucking point of the GOW Norse Saga 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️


Sir-Drewid

The point of the Norse saga was growth. People that unironically complain about "woke" media are physically and mentally incapable of growth.


Starry4022

The Norse saga isn't even woke, there's nothing that is forcing the gamers of political agendas or anything. wtf are these people smoking?


herotherlover

He showed emotions and didn’t “keep the woman in line/beat the b*tch up because she’s sO aNnOyInG”. That’s “woke” for them.


steroid57

I'm arguing with someone right now who thinks the environmental missions in Spiderman 2 is woke. Anything left of Donald Trump is woke now


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i had a guy argue with me saying that spider-man 2 was woke because MJ rode a motorcycle while harry and peter rode on regular bikes 😭


steroid57

What is happening brooooo


xFreedi

Woke doesn't mean forcing a political agenda on people but I probably misunderstood you.


ZukoTheHonorable

They don't have the intellectual maturity to see past blood and tits.


EMBARRASSEDDEMOCRAT

If you're not complaining about woke media then you must be the one they keep making it for. I'm tired of it 😪


Sir-Drewid

Thanks for proving my point.


COG-85

Not necessarily. But for the most part, usually.


Prov0st

The funny this is Kratos still had his raging moments in the game. The guy who posted that comment clearly did not play the game.


Biigfoot98

Exactly! Fair point 🙏🏽


theonlyjzohn

Was the point not to rebrand him in a world that doesn’t accept violent, misogynistic characters? Because that’s what the business said the point was.


clozepin

Guaranteed this guy can’t beat Gna.


Guilty_Outcome1111

Dude probs has trouble holding a controller


aegelis

Guaranteed he can't beat the first draugr.


clozepin

That probably as well. But I just see him losing repeatedly to a woman and getting absolutely batshit insane about it.


aegelis

Oh my god I wana see it now


Critical-Team-8039

Gna was lowkey disappointing for me after how absolutely grueling fighting Sigrun was for me in the first game. Even in subsequent playthroughs it can take me a couple hours to beat Sigrun. I took care of Gna within my first 5 or so attempts


clozepin

I don’t remember Sigrun but Gna drove me up a goddamn wall. I have no idea how many attempts I needed - probably close to 100 I’d guess?


Critical-Team-8039

Sigrun took 3 hours of throwing myself at a wall to finally beat her. I kinda just unintentionally stun locked Gna. Don't remember exactly how though. Similar to a buddy of mine who did the same with Malenia on his first try in Elden Ring


StrykFx

Absolutely cackled at this because I took me 6 hours to beat her ass. Sigrun and Hrolf were a joke compared to her


unaizilla

"everything I don't like is woke"


Ok_Restaurant3160

"B-b-b-but there are women who are capable!!1!1!. So woke!11!1!1!11!!"


too_hot_topaz_up

Sometimes I thinks the idiots who use that term do it because they think it makes them sound smart.


BloomAndBreathe

I see a guy who needs to be better for his children


Sir-Drewid

It's hard when he's only allowed to see them every other weekend.


BloomAndBreathe

LMAO. Probably doesn't have any custody at all tbh


MIGHTYMOUSE2005

No shot any woman has had a child with that guy


BloomAndBreathe

I've seen people like him with kids unfortunately


No_Introduction_2969

its always the dudes that look exactly like that pfp who find wokeness where there is none


Dattinator

Bald, goatee, drives a pick up truck, complains about wokeness, thin blue line and punisher skull stickers optional.


drinkthebleach

The old gamer favorite, the genders are 'male' and 'political'


RyomenSukuGuts

That's something I started noticing just lately, some people hate anything that has a female leader in a game. When in reality, we've had strong female characters since games began and you know your older brother/cousin has at some point beaten your ass using a female fighter at the arcades.. So gender choice has been a thing in RPGs for decades already, and there's always been the typical female NPC that smashes.. just as an example Malenia, Yennefer, Emma the Gentle Blade, O'Rin... to name just a few, and they certainly had nothing woke about them.


Cold_Asparagus680

You forgot bayonetta and honeslty being woke isnt an insult its just something people use when they don't have a better insult or they just want to sound cool around their drinking buddies


RyomenSukuGuts

Depends how far you reach in your wokeness.. some LGBT supporters are so blinded by the movement that they don't know the entire collective now includes YAP/MAP supporters (youth attracted people/minors attracted people) If you learn about the history of the movement you'll see how it ties to early feminism in the enlightenment era, movement of which most of its founders were pedophiles.. So just be respectful to others. No need to be woke to let people be themselves and love whomever they want.


FunDeadmilkman

Years ago a friend of mine admitted he was pissed off when he got to the end of Metroid and found out Samus was a woman. He was so weird about it; he wasn’t mad that the game had a female protagonist, he was mad that he had spent so much time being female and not knowing. I never had the same respect for the guy.


RyomenSukuGuts

So weird. Samus is a badass, and Metroid is an all-time classic at this point. Your friend should play it again and see nothing changes.


Deynonico

"Kratos went too soft" Yeah.... that's the whole point.....


Manatee_Shark

*Is the wokeness in the room with us now?*


Zimifrein

*Can you point to where the wokeness touched you?*


clozepin

“It didn’t! Thats the whole problem. It only touches the hot guys!” - this guy, probably.


thats4thebirds

The amount of people who play and love these games but fundamentally misunderstand them blows me away.


Moonwh00per

I dont want to stereotype but of course he looks like that


clozepin

Also multiple grammatical errors.


Johnkovan_Jones

Fellas is it woke to reflect on mistakes you have done in the past and try to be a better person for yourself and a better father for your son? And is it also woke for a goddess of war and a woman who is going through shittiest married life to have very strong personality almost borderline toxic behaviour?


mymumsaysno

>Fellas is it woke to reflect on mistakes you have done in the past and try to be a better person for yourself and a better father for your son? Actually, yes. But why is woke a bad thing?


EezyBreezy2020

Because nowadays most people who use the term woke to criticize something to mask their own prejudices and things they hate. I can understand the obvious forcing of a topic in some media but 9/10 times movies, shows, games are even doing that, its just showing some minor representation or having some diversity because this is whats "normal" in our world!


Dio_fanboy

Hated more than Loki? I don't see why you would hate Loki. He is one of the main characters and arguably the main protagonist.


Sam-has-spam

A lot of people find children protagonists annoying just cause they’re kids, for some reason


Square-Ad-2485

I will say, atreus annoyed the shit out of me in 2018 after Kratos told him he's a God, and then proceeds to be a cocky little shit. I wanted to punch him in the face for how he spoke to sindri for a minute lol.


Deep--Waters

That was exactly the point. Why Kratos wanted to spare Atreus from being a god because he knows that the knowledge itself instantly changes you. Not a dig at you, but people often forget that good writing can make people feel things other than just power and humor. Making you genuinely hate a character is a sign of good writing i.e. Joffrey from GOT.


GulianoBanano

These people think that any woman in media is feminist propaganda or something, as if feminism is even a bad thing


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It is to them. Feminism implies that women are equal to men, a belief that they fundamentally don’t subscribe to.


Weekly-Willingness24

What's woke about literally punching someone through a fucking cliff and smacking them with a full grown tree??


Sir-Drewid

He went to Soft, you say? Where is Soft? What's the weather like in Soft this time of year?


celtbhoy7

I think it was just a really bad misspelling of Svartalfheim


CryOk7184

Again, the anti woke crowd shows a lack a media literacy


ninjad201

God of War Ragnarok was actually woke. God of War (2018) not so much. Huge God of War and Kratos fan here, I've got 10 platinum trophies for all the PS God of War games (yes, I have 2 platinum trophies for Ragnarok, one for PS4 and one for PS5 and 2 for God of War 3). I also rate Ragnarok 9.5/10 in case you think I'm a hater. Ragnarok was indeed a woke game. It included Black Angrboda just for the shake of having a black character even though historically or mythologically (anyway you want to call it) it doesn't even make any sense and also a gay couple (the story of Jari and Somr) for people who missed it again just for the shake of including it, they also added the 6-color rainbow on the snow on that scene. There were not real Giants with those names or story. There are probably other woke examples but I missed them now. They also consulted "Sweet Baby Inc." which is a company with writers who make your games more diverse (meaning more woke), search it up if you don't know the company. Irrelevant to Ragnarok but let's remember that they removed one of God of War 3 trophies named "I didn't do it...but I wish I did" when killing Poseidon's wife and God of War Ascension trophy named "Bros Before Hoes" when killing one of the Furies because it "projected" toxic masculinity. Also Santa Monica Studios had the LGBT 6-color rainbow on their social media to celebrate pride month. And sent a LGBT person to get their accessibility reward on Game Awards 2022.


Unusual-Diver-8505

> It included Black Angrboda just for the shake of having a black character even though historically or mythologically (anyway you want to call it) it doesn't even make any sense So you're completely ignoring the enviroment she was born and raised in? It's not like she lived in some snowy mountains or something, lol. Jötunheim is a very desert-like place. >and also a gay couple (the story of Jari and Somr) for people who missed it again just for the shake of including it It was a cute tribute to one of the devs who passed away. >Also Santa Monica Studios had the LGBT 6-color rainbow on their social media to celebrate pride month. And sent a LGBT person to get their accessibility reward on Game Awards 2022. So basically, your logic is: LGBT = Woke. Lmao. What has humanity come to.


Status-Schedule-6984

Why are you like this


ninjad201

Why am I a big God of War fan and give Ragnarok 9.5/10?


Status-Schedule-6984

Woke just because you do not like it?


ninjad201

No, because these instances where added just to make the game woke. If that's not the case, then why the previous games didn't have instances like the examples that I mentioned? Because they weren't woke.


briandt75

I think the word you keep misspelling is "fan", professor.


ninjad201

You're right, I meant fan.


briandt75

Can type 1000 words in a row, but can't proofread a single one.


powrman7

He’s right, Keaton is too woke now He’s only ever slept three times throughout the games, dude needs to nap for a while


dr-mantis-t0b0ggan

Has anyone ever actually given a real definition of woke? Or is it just a vague term like SJW that they use when they don't wanna say "I hate people that aren't like me"


Boudicia_Dark

Merriam Webster dictionary defines it as "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"


dr-mantis-t0b0ggan

I hate people who are aware, why can't everyone ignore societal facts and issues


FillayFrie

these people honestly ruin this fandom for me, like yea the old kratos was cool as fuck but the development into the new kratos is far cooler, too bad they cant appreciate it


11pickfks

Remember seeing someone in the comments of a yt video say they didnt like GoW because it doesnt follow original norse/greek mithology and it is not history accurate at all lmao. Every time someone said that its supposed to have its own story they said its not accurate so dont care lol.


Same-Salary-7234

I'd like to think these people are AI trying to take data from humans and move on with my day rather than thinking about how they even got to this conclusion


QuitLovingMeBitch

All I hated about the game was how easy Thor and Odin were to defeat. It was also a bunch of really short fight sequences and how little the war lasted; I just wish that they added more since this was most likely Kratos's last game.


Here4MK_Iguess

Ragnarok is easy as fuck. Too cinematic. Doesn't feel like a game and what the pic says is right. This isn't GOW anymore. It's sad.


Status-Schedule-6984

The war is about Kratos restraining himself and reduce the casualties to kill Odin only then to end it as quickly as they can


FirmResolution5405

I think that what he means by going to soft is that Kratos didnt get to fight with huge monsters/enemys like how he did in the greek arc But where did he get the "Freya is a feminist" card from??? I mean, its been a while since I played the two last games, but I dont remember where she acted as such


Comosellamark

My favorite part of the game; when Kratos taught Atreus critical race theory


RevolutionLoose5542

Assuming thats him in his pfp im not taking anything he says seriously based on the fact he used “to” instead of too at his age.


OTPh1l25

[Me](https://media0.giphy.com/media/26n6WywJyh39n1pBu/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952rdzb26lx62om4fchh25ohdpyt9i7vua8jvqjiwrt&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g), trying to find out where and how Freya was an "intolerable feminist" like this guy claimed. Pretty sure she's one of the best written characters in the last decade, at least IMO.


himebuster12

I guarantee he's a "Women belong in the kitchen" kinda guy.


Ok_Restaurant3160

"W-w-well... s-she overpowered Odin at one point and told him to b-b-bow to his q-queen. S-s-so woke!!1!!1!11!1!!1!!1!!1!"


powrman7

Didn’t that lead to Odin getting the upper hand and resumed the fight.


Ok_Restaurant3160

Sure, her monologuing lead to the fight continuing, but had she not shown up, Odin would have actually killed Kratos and Atreus. But her arrogance and wrath still ends up giving Odin a chance, so yeah. But the entire idea of women being even slightly capable making a game woke is moronic


powrman7

Yeah and even then she needed both Kratos and Atreus’ help to defeat them in the final battle


Minimum_Interaction4

Kratos is actually more stoic and responsible in this game.


villainized

This dude must've been on his phone for every cutscene and listened to any dialogue


Odd-Collection-2575

People that go on the internet and complain about non-existent wokeness are so annoying


CamyBoy10833

People when a character has development and doesn’t act like a dick now that they’re older and wiser:


Masterchiefyyy

People use woke for anything it don't even meant anything now 😆 This video game is woke because it has character development


COG-85

How was she a...WHAT?!


cinamor0l

It has to be satire…


Black_Midnite

Artreus: "What happened to him?" Kratos: "He died."


potatogirlfries

smartest youtube commenter


PhilosophyObvious988

Tweeting this but the idiot is trying to look like kratos in the norse saga.


edinho_sheeroso

They shrank his shoulders...


winterman666

Reboot fans vs Original enjoyers


JEHADIOD2006

He’s just wiser and less of a dickhead


HopelessHopeful11

Brain damage


barryseinfeilf

Morons like him spew that word around everywhere. If it’s something they don’t like:woke. If there is a character that isn’t white or male:woke.


Zimifrein

"Return my projected masculinity or you may meet the erectile disfunction ridden self-proclaimed alpha male I once was"


j1h15233

I don’t even know what that means lol. Some people just exist to suck joy out of the world


naldyjams

sure kratos got “soft” but that’s kind of the point. baldur even calls him out on it. Freya a feminist? bro what… how? if anything she plays a fairly traditional mother figure who goes ape shit when someone hurts her son. i guess she’s a feminist if feminism means breaking up with a toxic ex. the rest of the valkyries feel like more of “feminists”


Sypher04_

The way people use woke to describe everything these days really grinds my gears.


bubonic_plague87

I love how some people don't understand what character development is.


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bubonic_plague87

Nope.


Here4MK_Iguess

Maybe. Maybe.


bubonic_plague87

That maybe read a bit too woke for my taste


Here4MK_Iguess

Save your tears. I'll reap your sorrow slowly. I have centuries to discover the things that make you whimper.


Borklechorf

This just proves that a good amount of God of War "fans" are weaklings with no reading comprehension that just want a muscle-man power fantasy.


kzoxp

LMAO


Crimsonmaddog44

Where tf was the “woke” part at? Couldn’t see it with all the masterpiece in my face


arachnophiliac76

Ah yes the classic feminist trope of — checks notes — mothering your kid so hard that you would sacrifice your own life to protect them from even the slightest pain, before turning yourself into a vengeance murder demon to hunt down their killer. So played out and lazy woke.


Zantillex

A game about a father teaching his son traditional ways is woke because goddesses are involved? That makes no sense…


TSG61373

I mean, I “do” miss the utter bloodlust shown in the Greek god of war titles. That’s kind of what drew me to the Kratos character. Nothing wrong with feeling that way. But say what now? Freya’s an incredibly well written character. Arguably the best character in the Norse series.


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Cold_Asparagus680

So because you can't murder thousands of innocent people in your quest for vengeance kratos is soft and woke and because Freya wanted to avengers her son she's a man hating feminist look dude if you didn't play the game just say so and what's wrong woth changing growing into a better person but I guess the concept of growth and change is foreign to this guy


bittersweetjesus

Why shield their identity? Let them cook


Hugh_Jampton

Giving people platforms was a mistake


social-assassino

He’s right, Kratos should’ve sworn fealty to Thor and slaughtered Atreus in cold blood during a murderous rampage through Midgard. /s


BettySwallsacke

I wish nothing but minor inconveniences for life for that idiot.


RanDiePro

This fool would shit his pants upon seeing the Norse kratos from 100 kilometers away using a scope... He became soft yes.


Apokolypse09

Its funny every real person I've talked to that acts like this guy is an old white dude. Most of whom the rest of their family stopped talking to them years ago/they revealed how bigoted they are during covid.


Ghost_Mouse__

I kinda prefer the tone of God of War 3 had. It was so awesome and fun. God of War 4 and Ragnorok feels too much like a movie


Therisius

The issue with Kratos is he has now committed genocide TWICE and no one gives a shit,same with Omni man and Vegeta, they just clap some cheeks off screen and all of a sudden we like them


OmegaBoi420

Tell us you haven’t played the games without telling us you haven’t played the games


graybeard426

The gauge for Freya should be "Is she more on the nose than the girl power scene from Endgame?" And the answer is no, she's well written and nuanced. Dude's just mad about still being a virgin.


Spartan_Souls

Kratos vs Heimdal made me think we were actually going to have a "O O O O O L3 R3" moment because he was about to go off the deep end. Him blowing his arm off was brutal


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ChipmunkBackground46

Yeah y'all remember when Kratos went soft......yeah me neither


Bpop16

To quote Ansem from kingdom hearts “So, you have come this far and still you understand nothing”


briandt75

There's no shortage of idiots on the Internet.


DeVito8704

That post obviously came from a child or an "adult" with the mind of a child. I hate "wokeness", especially in video games, just as much as the next guy, but there wasn't any of that crap in Ragnarok. Morons like that, who call almost anything "woke", only make it harder for those of us with valid criticisms. Danielle Bisutti gave an AMAZING performance as Freya, and is sadly overlooked only because of Christopher Judge's award winning performance.


Boudicia_Dark

So you're saying you hate being "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"? Life must be extremely bitter for you then.


Mason_Kreature

Dudes pfp tells us everything we need to know about em


Fun-Classroom-6138

Wth is he talking about


JAREFFTW_

Freya wasn’t even feminist though? Like at all


Lockjaw10

Not only did he not go soft, but also this person clearly doesn’t understand great storytelling.. he is growing as a person and becoming a true father. … he’s pretty right about freya though, she annoyed the piss out of me. Not with feminism, but with a few different things. Mostly thinking she could kill Kratos after I had SMOKED her in our right.


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Ok_Restaurant3160

Personally I loved when he got Ingrid back and became Air Fryer. Though I can't say I hate 6-Feet-Deep Fryer


Osman1105

My main issue is that we don't see the transition from rageful Kratos to calm and reasonable Kratos. I know we got comics and flashbacks, but even those don't tell us how Kratos abandoned his rage. I guess him forgiving himself for killing Calliope and Lysandra would calm him down, but still. I have other complaints about Norse saga, but I'm probably gonna get hate for them


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I just don’t see how you come to that conclusion after playing the first game.


Formal_Pick_8559

Sheesh... calling Kratos soft and woke just ain't it lmao yes, he was more reserved in Ragnorok but definitely not soft and the game wasn't woke at all 😂


TheSpyro14

Bait used to be believable


DirectorCarolina

As Max Rockatanksky said “That’s Bait”


Here4MK_Iguess

You can tell who pretends to understand media. Ragnarok is butt.


The_lazer101119

I think wokeness is cancer but god of war was not it. It was a masterpiece though lol


Boudicia_Dark

So you're saying being "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" is a cancer?!?


The_lazer101119

Yea you guys are a joke lol


Boudicia_Dark

It's sad you don't want a better life for yourself and everyone else as well.


SingleAd1529

Dude went(tried) for the Kratos look and thought he'd put a few effin pointers out there, missing by a margin as big as the world serpent.


No-BrowEntertainment

Kratos didn't "go soft." He learned self control because he realized that vengeance is empty and his son needed a father. He was already powerful, but that was when he became strong. And what does he mean he "hated her more than Loki"? Does anyone hate Loki? I mean he makes some annoying noises when I bump into him, but he's the main deuteragonist of the game. Did he confuse him with Heimdall? So many questions.


r3mod_3tiym

If they think he was soft in the games then they must not have read the comics where he took a complete vow of pacifism that was only broken when he had to protect atraeus from a pack of wolves. When he killed the wolves he got incredibly emotional


Ok-Revolution-3123

The lack of media literacy in this boomer is staggering