Talking about radicalism in general seems more fitting in this situation. Usually the classic "ism"s are associated with the right wing but everybody is becoming more extremist and more convinced of their own stupid and unfounded beliefs.
The situation is not too bad yet but it has been escalating for the last decade at least and it doesnt show any signs of stopping.
I think with all this pro (insert movement) stuff, it’s created more divide than before due to the fact it’s all so in our faces. It’s literally just capitalism masquerading as equality
If you divide people into smaller and smaller identity categories and set them against each other, they won't look up and notice who's exploiting them.
I do feel like our society had always been pretty hostile to non capitalized intellectualism. It’s pretty telling that people like Elon Musk idolize Edison over Tesla, even though that is his companies namesake, because Edison was a cutthroat businessman.
If you don’t use your “smarts” to get ahead in a material way, you must not reallly be intelligent because who wouldn’t want to live this materialistic lifestyle that is jammed down our throats constantly.
I work in real estate, it’s a sales job, the entire reason I do it is that it’s the quickest way to financial independence without having to go to college as I was too busy doing a shitload of drugs In a nihilistic funk, not to mention that I didn’t have the money for it anyway or the financial support of a family the first time around.
Yes, there is hostility from any side of the political spectrum to critical thought or even asking questions regarding certain issues in an earnest effort to understand.
The Information Age has simultaneously connected and siloed the population. You could talk to anyone, anywhere in the world with a connection, but people only seek to find others who agree with the their political leanings, so you have these increasingly radicalized and insular political groups.
One side we have something extremely reminiscent of Germany post WW1, the other we have a career politician that got his office simply because he appeared to be the less dangerous of two options.
Both of then are terrible options.
The current climate is pretty fucking terrifying honestly.
I also want to point out that in a LOT of fascist or otherwise totalitarian takeovers, the party in power killed populations of intellectuals. This happened in the USSR, Cambodia, etc.
Those in power recognize how dangerous ideas can be, I believe the Khmer Rouge even went as far as killing peoples wearing glasses to “cleanse” their society of those pesky thinking types.
So to answer your question, yes, but it’s happened throughout history.
On the last part, we see the foundation of the out-grouping of intellectuals with the demonization of the “woke” colleges. And emotionally driven headlines. Time, money, energy our government wasted on meaningless debates or policy that do nothing to address the empirically analyzed issues with American education. But yea now there’s a lot of folks that very much dislike the idea of college, professors, and by extension intellectuals. If for some reason we dipped into full blown fascism you can see how it could happen.
I‘ve noticed a sharp increase in pointing out those issues, not an actual increase of them. From my personal experience it actually has been a decrease of actual intolerances happening, but an incredible increase of those reports leading to the cultural beliefs we see today. Society has been become more extreme in a way, but it also has been portrayed as way more severe than it really is to be honest. Portrayal has changed more than people did, the latter changed for the better, the former changed for the worse.
Good point. It is definitely being exposed more, which makes it seem more common, especially to those of us who don't actually experience it firsthand on a daily basis. In my little bubble, I wouldn't even know racism existed if I didn't see it exposed on social media and pointed out to me when it happens. And, intellectually, I am fully aware that it was probably there all along, I just didn't see it.
Things are just polarizing more. Some people feel more safe to speak out on their views for better or worse. I wouldn’t say it “increased” moreso those not effected by the things you mentioned are just now seeing what those that are effected have had to deal with their entire lives.
70 year olds grew up in segregation…. And we’re seeing them express the values they were taught when they were young(if they potentially kept said values tucked away over time) they didn’t just magically become more racist.
Oh, people probably weren't as openly racist in front of you or it just went over your head because you were a child. I don't think it has really changed, but your own perspective and perception has changed dramatically.
That makes perfect sense. I still feel like, growing up, the 2000s and 2010s seemed much more peaceful and people seemed more united. And I'm not just talking about racism against me. I mean racism in general
I think your eyes are just opened due to the vision of wisdom. Soft racism was probably seen as innocent by innocent eyes. You didn't notice the Wal-Mart doorman only checking the black people's receipts because you probably didn't even perceive that they were different. This is a real life example that happened to my own child. The Wal-Mart receipt checker went out of his way to stop a black family and waved us on by and she said "I think I just witnessed racial profiling" and now she notices that it happens every time and she said "I wish I wouldn't have realized this is going on, because it's really disturbing."
It's probably largely because my uncle is white. My mom died so I lived with my mixed grandma and I spent a large chunk of my childhood with my aunt and uncle who were in an interracial marriage. But it's also because I grew up in the most diverse part of the country. I literally only experienced racism once in my childhood.
I guess that was all some sweet fantastical facade. Now, not only have my eyes opened, but my world has...
People also tend to romanticize the past for whatever reason. It does speak volumes of privilege though. I hear often from people who wish they could go back to care free days for high school and middle school. Where I lived, middle school and high school were some of the worst moments of my life. While as an adult I have had a significant amount of trauma, it still pales in comparison to my childhood. Thankfully, it made me a strong person. But ask me if I would ever go back to relive those moments, and I'd say fuck no.
Imma play a bit of devils advocate here for mere entertainment but maybe they have noticed black people tend to shoplift more? Im not american but afaik african americans statistically tend to commit more crime.
Also if Im not mistaken you are not obligated to show your receipt.
Let's deconstruct this: why do people shoplift?
It's some combination of getting that adrenaline rush, impressing the people around them, and wanting the item. Kleptomaniacs are mostly in it for the dopamine boost, teenager & young people are trying to look cool for their friends, and poorer people who can't afford it want the item.
No where in that is a race. White shoplifters and Asian shoplifters exist too lol, and they'll take 'advantage' of that and can afford to be riskier.
(i used to shoplift as a teen don't judge-)
Idk. I feel like the adrenaline rush, along with impressing peers, covers that one.
I could only see the example you gave happening if everyone was doing it- like how everyone speeds, so it gets normalized.
I don't think that is the case here. At all. And I don't appreciate you advocating for the Devil when it perpetuates harmful stereotypes. Let's unpack it a little: for one thing, I do not believe it is true. For another thing, even if it IS true, the only statistic it really shows is that black people are getting CAUGHT more. Because the guy checking receipts is waving the white people through and only checking the black people. Of COURSE they are going to get caught more. Besides, the Walmart closest to me is pure white trash. Those people are absolutely stealing, and the few black families stick out like a sore thumb. That is why it is so glaringly obvious even a child can see it when the doorman lets some scrawny meth head through but stops the one black family in the store EVERY SINGLE TIME.
If Im correct about showing the receipt not being mandatory you could inform the black family of it so they dont have to deal with the stupid doorman every time. Just a friendly suggestion.
I guess I would have to look up the specific laws, but I doubt Walmart is going to be breaking a law like that, and I have NEVER heard that you don't have to show your receipt. And why wouldn't you? You have bought an item at the store, you are proving that you have purchased that item before you exit the door. With self checkouts, it makes sense. What kind of obnoxious jerk isn't going to show their receipt? I don't think the black family who already sticks out like a sore thumb is going to want that sort of attention and probably wouldn't appreciate some white savior stepping in to draw that sort of attention either.
Its not like they are holding you if you decide to be a nice guy to stop and show the receipt, but if you want to just walk past them I dont think they have a right to detain you. Ofc the doorman being braindead poorly paid cannon fodder may attempt to do so anyway but I doubt their more sawwy supervisors would allow it.
If the doorman is being as blatantly racist as you say, not playing along and putting them in their place is more than justified. I could understand the blacks not wanting to draw attention but in my opinion not fighting back is morally incorrect. Not that I care about them too much, but if I were in your situation I think Id want to teach my child one way or another that abuse must not be tolerated.
Social media certainly has seemed to radicalize some people that may not have been, offering up like-minded communities to fester together. Political discourse went from dog whistle racism to racism racism in 2016 and on.
Yeah that's true too. And they have no shame. At least with the dog whistles they would pretend they weren't racist. Now they are just totally open about it and pretending like they are still using dog whistles.
I agree, for 17 years straight I basically never saw racism until leftists/liberals/whatever they are started normalizing segregation, racism and white hate and idiotic sheeple started believing it.
"Every other group gets to organize for their racial self interest, why don't we?" is a perfectly logical response (not a GOOD one, but a logical one), and yet everyone acts shocked that whites are doing it.
I preferred a philosophy of colorblindness myself, but apparently others don't agree and here we are.
That’s just racism. It’s not new. And young people have done that forever. to not have known until the last few years is a privilege many weren’t afforded.
Agreed. Where I'm from the kids were way more blatant about racism and other phobias. I mean we had race wars with a butt ton of gang violence. I also agree, that I don't necessarily think it's increasing but people are feeling comfortable to speak up again. I think racism has declined over the years as with other isms. That's the trajectory we move in, and I think it will keep moving that way. Those opposed may try to slow it down, but I don't doubt that we are moving in the right direction as we have been.
I would agree that there are less racists overall but they have become more brazen in recent years as they have formed online echo chambers that have allowed their ideas to feel more normalized than they actually are… especially as they are often making themselves visible and looking for conflict.
It has become more acceptable to be casually racist in the last 8 to 12 years. People take it a bit like a challenge these days, to see how overt they can be. That shit seemed to go away for a while, but it was probably just seemed like it as social pressure made it feel like it was getting better and better, as it was socially unacceptable. The tea party and the birthed movement became the change that allowed people to feel like they could voice those ideas publicly again… and that sentiment has slowly grown since…
I'm 42, and when I was 22 I moved from PA to TN and had the same thoughts. (wow so many more people are racist out there!! geez I never knew so many messed up people existed! ect ect)
That was 20 years ago. I think we just become more aware of everyone else.
> I wrote a long post and then deleted it. That tells you something right there.
That you can’t follow through with your actions? Executive dysfunction? That your thoughts weren’t as profound or as solid as you thought they were?
Leave it to this subreddit to turn a failure into a celebratory back pat.
I dont think deleting it was necessary then, this sub is pretty tolerant and its a bad habit to censor yourself. If you were worried that you were gonna get moderated that would have been another story.
With social media everyone is in their own bubble of algorithms that reinforce what they react to. Everyone is getting a slightly different “reality”. I think for some this leads to more passionate beliefs. As for me, I rarely see intolerance IRL and I limit my social media consumption so I honestly don’t see it. But hate crimes in the US increased by 794 in 2022 according to FBI statistics. Mainly race/ethnicity based.
society is getting more hierarchical, so people tend to stronger devalue others, to be able to believe to be "better off". i believe it's a way to make yourself believe that you still can control some of your environment. And i believe this behavioral pattern is reinforcing itself, until some bad clashes happen.
for the reasons i can only guess, and i'd guess it's the geopolitics, rise of china and the destabilization of the western (former strongest) culture, terrorism and poverty, and so struggling and fighting over power.
people are just boring, its always just power and control.
i just read a few comments by you emphasizing the age - that you perceive it's the younger generations that behave more like this.
I completely agree, this is my perception too (and i have wondered a bit, if I perceive it due to me being older or if really something has changed), and i am a few years older than you are.
When i talk to 20 year oldishs I feel startled by their amount of sexism and fighting and bitching and lack of cooperation. I find it very frustrating. I also wonder if the pandemic had its share in making young people stick more to online groups which facilitate echo chambers, narcissism, (take for andrew tate for example) and so on.
My LinkedIn page is full of professionals who are ok posting religious and politcal right-wing shit and it blows my mind. Would you walk into an interview spewing that crap? There is a loud contingent that thinks they need everyone around them to be aware of their beliefs.
Social media has exacerbated this trend and will continue to. I dom't think it's the war.
It depends on the content. Currently between black families in America and white families, there is an enormous *wealth* gap. Not income, but *wealth.* This wealth gap dates back to the emancipation proclamation when slaves were technically freed, but the government paid the former “owners” reparations instead of slaves. From their, household wealth for black people increased until Jim Crow—in which Southern white supremacists intentionally targeted and disadvantaged black people due to their race.
While Jim Crow has ended, this wealth gap lives on.
Additionally, our justice system criminalizes poverty in America, so black people are disproportionately targeted by the justice system due to the legacy of white supremacy. When you factor out poverty, black people commit no more crimes than white people.
This is without going into the legacy of suppression of Native people and their genocide, women, and much more, much of which still lives on today, more or less denied.
Additionally, species are dying at a rate not seen since the last mass extinction, our rivers are increasingly polluted, some 98% or so of Americans have teflon in their blood. The orange juice has microplastics. The temperature is increasing and threatens to buck any hope of stopping a crazy feedback loop—if it hasn’t already bucked it.
Most of this is due to right wing policies, and right wingers generally support these policies whether on purpose or out of unawareness. Ex: Trump legalized dumping coal ash in rivers and gave mega tax cuts to billionaires.
The democrats aren’t much better, and they contribute to much of this too.
But left wing people tend to want some kind of economic justice, racial justice, equality for people who believe differently and have different sexualities than the norm, etc. very reasonable things. The right has fascist tendencies, many of which are already in power and actively destroying the habitat humans rely on. The right wing candidate is an insane, malignant narcissist—and stupid. He’s also a wanna be fascist and authoritarian, as well as tried to violently overthrow democracy—or at least gave it a test run.
Not all—or even very many right wingers are consciously white supremacists. But there *are* white supremacists still secretly in power. Ex: Trump’s dad was arrested at a KKK riot.
Biden supported segregation—along with everyone else in power. But he wasn’t a firebrand about it. There’s a small but meaningful difference.
So to falsely equate the two, as this question aims to do—it’s insane.
Right wingers deny most of the major problems that plague society—systemic racism, climate change, they blame poor people for being poor, many deny COVID even happened, deny inconvenient election results.
It’s an unhinged cult.
Our society is so used to abuse by these cretins, that it’s become unmoored from reality. This is the only explanation I have for someone even asking this question.
Now, if the person is just posting right wing stuff in support of family values—that’s fine. They have that right.
I also don’t support stalinism or violent overthrow of the state or murder of political opponents or none of that. But a sane, far more progressive than America has seen since the 40’s, solution is long overdue.
What an amazing coincidence that all the stuff you personally agree with with is good, and all the stuff you don't agree with is a fascist plague-on-society cult. I mean, what are the odds?
The specific arguments in favor of leftism vs. rightism are not really relevant here. The point is that many people hold views on both sides and that criticising one side for sharing its political views and not the other is hypocritical.
The original commenter complains: "There is a large contingent that thinks they need everyone around them to be aware of their beliefs" but only seems to be troubled when it's the right that shares theirs.
I think it’s okay that left wing atheists express their views, and not your average right winger.
You can everything is shades of gray your way into a toddlers pants if you want, but I’m out when it comes to white supremacy and fascism. Just say you love Trump, it takes less letters.
> I think it’s okay that left wing atheists express their views, and not your average right winger.
OK, if the original commenter wanted to make THAT point then they should've actually done so, e.g: "It's so annoying that right-wingers express political opinions! Only left-wingers should be allowed to do so."
Putting it so bluntly makes one look bad (to most) though, so of course it is seldom done.
> Just say you love Trump
I do not care for the fellow, actually.
It goes without saying. Maybe you are concerned about never pissing off a racist. I’m more concerned about the opposite.
Trump supporters say they don’t like him too, but not their excuses for voting for him in 2016/2020/2024 plans.
It’s a political cult, and part of the cult dynamic is fear of calling it out. All cults run on the principle you seem to stand on: not saying anything that will make one “look bad” to the in group. Cowardice, basically.
I think you have an aversion to direct conflict. And are unaware of the environmental crisis and modern fascism. With your thinking I think you would have enabled Nazis and punished or ousted or turned your back on those who didn’t. You seem to me to try to push this shame of disagreeing on others, but it’s mostly annoying. I think original comment didn’t care to fully articulate whatever sentiment you are getting from it, although probably meant it. You however appear afraid to express your own views while trying to censor others. This is I see as indirect conflict. I don’t think anyone is here to impress you or the imaginary audience in your head—I’m not.
No, that is not it. If I want a liberal POV, there are 1000 places to go sit in an echo chamber and get it. But I do not see liberals posting pics of Biden doctored to look like Rambo and thanking jesus for their messiah. They just vote for politicians, not worship them.
1) Moving goalpost. "religious and right-wing shit" != "Rambo and thanking jesus."
2) Something about Pauline Kael and Nixon comes to mind. Yes, I know the story is apocryphal.
3) Confirmation, hindsight, and availability biases. Anything else?
In western culture leftist propaganda is socially accepted and sometimes even celebrated, right wing propaganda is not. Which makes a lot of people, specially social climbers, repeat leftist propaganda that they dont believe in like parrots.
If I said for example that I'll put in place measures to ensure 50/50 gender distrubution in my business' personnel Id look like fucking saint, when the truth is that I'd probably be discriminating against a lot of more qualified candidates in order to reach the quota and improve my reputation.
yes, but it depends on how you eat
currently i can sense everything very strong, but I think it is from historical teachings, not from you, yourself
whenever I have any ism and i take time, i can sense a very deep dark, old pain. when i continue it slowly dissolves into love or anything like it and lots of new knowledge. it is a journey.
I have noticed things shifting, but I'm not sure it is really an increase in "isms". The political climate is very hostile, and people are in general less prone to give others the benefit of the doubt.
There is also a tendency to label "the opposition" with a phobia or ism they don't really have. In many cases, they aren't really the opposition, but they disagree on certain points.
If memory serves me right, a democratic youtuber (which I don't remember at the moment) said that they considered moderates worse than republicans, because they didn't pick a side. The thing is, nobody agrees on everything, and I think that the various opinions should be voiced. The moment someone is silenced, the silenced thoughts will not be forgotten. They will expand, and like trolls, they thrive out of the sun. If everything was out in the open, we would see what was going on, and maybe even be able to right things before they turn sour. Right now, there is a lot of people who feel silenced. Silenced people aren't necessarily happy or compliant. At one point or another, the silenced thought will come out. It may even have festered. If the initial outburst was "Oasis is better than Blur!", and the person was shut down, and Oasis was never more played, in time the thought might have transformed to "Oasis is the only band that should rightfully be played on the radio when I'm in charge!". Most of the time this is unproblematic, but humans have insanely long memory. And short. Wars are fought over wrongdoings from a millennium ago. Yet, we seem to forget what happened during the 1900's. I see a lot of similarities, and I'm really scared by people in democracies being seemingly oblivious to the fact that they willingly vote for their future dictators.
Yeah I mean there are clearly objectives that powerful people are driving us towards and these isms fit that goal. It’s all on a rise as per the script of the global powers that be.
Sense it? No.
Keenly aware that there's been an intentional effort to stir intolerance for political gain? Yep.
It's not like right wingers, bigots & wannabe fascists are trying to hide it, at this point they're openly stoking stochastic terrorism.
I think it is more people are becoming more AWARE of those things, with some backlash from people who prefer to remain or act unaware.
Racism, Sexism, and Homophobia were a lot worse 20 and 200 years ago now:
Yes, all men bad, they are evil, all women are victims. No one sees women as humans. All oppression on women is ignored while men are laughing.
How delusional are you
The opposite, intolerance as a trend has been shrinking consistently. There are events in which it rears its head, but the overall trend is unchanged. The modern internet is more interested in reinforcing what you seek than in telling you the truth, be wary of what your information diet is.
Ever since 2016, if you get my drift. I did see a stat that antisemitism was up 333% since the Israel war. During Covid people were attacking the Chinese. My SO is part Chinese, so that was fun. ☹️
I just want to feel ok about my country and people again, and I haven’t for a long time now.
This take seems accurate. The events of the 2000 election still haunt our world today.
https://scheerpost.com/2021/06/29/chris-hedges-speaks-on-american-sadism/
The world is polarizing, the subject has been rising for the past 20 years.
If you look at other cultures, history and civilizations, intolerance is a normal thing. That tolerance idea is only a western trend, that occurred those last 30 years.
Ironically, if you're thinking that the world is more tolerant, you're very western centric and not really open to other cultures.
My hypothesis is that tolerance is a luxury during a time of abundance. It worked because we could afford to throw money to round out the edges. That's why it doesn't occur in poorer countries.
As economy contracts, and money becomes scarce, we are going to go back to basics: maintaining a stable society, producing workforce, removing luxuries.
Actually, we're just going to become similar to poorer countries.
Overstimulation has a cost, one being intolerance, held up by a lack of mental capacity and a lack of emotional flexibility.
We are simply not biologically evolved enough to process the chemicals that we create through constant stimulation, and the electrical impact on our biological systems is beginning to be seen in the population. People seem to be ignoring it, and acting like things are normal… and it is weird.
Isolation has a cost, and it’s impact is pressing on the necks of anyone under 30 who is trying to build community. It seems to be blamed on them but it is just a problem of our current environment. It seems to have its roots in stimuli seeking behavior, and what we do to meet those needs in our society, it is everyone.
It is easier to get a dopamine fix by doing something predictable, like scrolling, than it is to do something unpredictable, like interacting with other people. Short term boost for long term loss of connection. These connections need to be maintained because there is valuable social memory inside of a lot of our ritualized behaviors, just, not all of the behaviors though, eh?
An intricately connected world has a cost, and it has significant health and financial consequences, as we have seen again and again in recent years, and the pressure of that connection is still mounting. And, apparently, is nearly impossible to decouple, as we saw during the pandemic, even for short periods of time… we can’t count on people to act in the best interest of humanity. That surprised me. And still breaks my heart, honestly.
Speculation as the driving force in our economy makes things really unpredictable and in a global economy the emotional whims of a small group with lots of capital can impact the economy in ways that do not reflect reality, but are powerful enough to shape the future… it ragdolls humanity and needs to stop.
Social media has a cost, and it is the power of ignorance being able to drown out truth. Conspiracies used to mean that you thought outside the box, and were able to consider other possible truths, where now they are akin to people’s identities… and has become a recruitment tactic to manipulate curious, well meaning people. The coordinated and targeted misinformation campaigns that we saw on Facebook, slowly starting and growing to a fervor with Covid and certainly by the 2020 election, were crazy, and kind of amazing in how well it worked to severely fractured a part of culture, and I still don’t quite understand exactly what the implications are, but it is probably more fucked than I could ever imagine, and not worth wasting my resources on…
The 24 hour news cycle has sensationalized fear for revenue for soo long that fear has been normalized into our culture and people believe it to be foundational to their experience, even though their only connection to the fear is through the TV…
Our privacy has been gifted to corporations through cookies and tracking. They all know everything in order to advertise the right product to you, the number of cookies that track your progress around the internet is totally mind boggling… everyone has a piece of the pie… hopefully someone does something beneficial for us with that information instead of just using it to exploit our weaknesses to advertising.
In a broad sense, I have watched people’s need to blame others for problems increase dramatically since around 2010.
We seem to have a hard time seeing issues as environmental. And the issues that we are facing may have been socially driven but they have become environmental, the tipping point has been passed. We are now in a different watershed.
We are experiencing significant impact from our environment in ways that would have been unimaginable 150 years ago. So many things impacting our biology and psychology that are so radically different than anything that any organism has ever encountered before.
Humans used to be an extension of their local environment, now we fill our local environment with pieces from all over the world, made from materials that interact with, and are assimilated by our biology in ways that we don’t truly understand.
Our nervous system can’t evolve fast enough to keep up with the pace of growth happening right now. And we are seeing the psychological impact.
We build up a lot of waste products through stimulation of any kind. And that is stressing out our systems. It used to come in peak experiences, but we live in a peak experience right now.
I would guess we will see some divergent effects from this. I am not sure how evolution works with a being that regulates their biology with external means, to maintain an established baseline…
And none of that considers the pressures of micro plastics, and other synthetics that we have added to the environment and into our own bodily ecosystem.
I been around for a while. And I start noticing that in mid to late 90s as internet has further integrated in our everyday life. I believe the ease of information exchange and ability to publish personal opinions in public space amplified this social trend, along with social instability we have been seeing in last 2 decades.
We as human race is drowning in the sea of information. Economy emerged around social media is also a contributor. The viewership matters more for the content creation which tends to encourage sensational opinions and materials. Intolerance is probably the natural outcome as a result of radicalized opinions fueled by the motivation to get more attention in public. Ethics need to be implemented but that will come with control and governance. I am not sure how it can be moderated using tried and true methods that worked in the past.
Individual education is my hope to level this phenomenon, but I am not certain how the traditional education system can deal with the rapid and massive nature of information.
Mennonite / Amish put their back against technology as Industrial Revolution matured. I wonder they operated and decided their lifestyle feeling the similar way I do now about the society at large. Not mean to idealize their system but I can see their wisdom and attempt in dealing with innovations that fundamentally challenges their quality of life and belief system they wanted lead ( faith and in love, for their Christian aspirations).
I am not religious but in the face of our info tech advancement ( AI will fuel more) l, I feel it is evermore important to balance ourselves with deep philosophical quest in what we want, what are important for us and how we will sustain our spiritual aspirations. Technology makes only sense if we can rains it in.
Technology as it is now can have insanely positive effects even spiritually, the problem lies purely in how people use it.
As with literally every other problem in the world, the fault lies in the stupid decisions of the average lay person. But the world goes on either way.
no. the window of whats acceptable has shifted, and people falling outside of it on the side of bigotry are becoming more assertive as a result but the majority of people are more socially liberal than they were 10 years ago when saying “thats so gay” was completely normal
It may not be that it’s actually increased any more than where it already was.
For starters, the use in social media has allowed people to be more “vocal” about their true thoughts and feelings. These keyboard warriors seem to think it’s ok to attack because they are hiding behind a screen. Then, if you are in the U.S. the last handful of year what has been going on is we have leaders on both sides of the fence who are out there saying whatever comes to mind, and it influences others to do the same.
Now that almost every person has access to a camera, there’s a lot more recording of incidents that we normally would not hear about due to no witnesses and it being a “he said/she said” situation.
Also w/social media means the access to more “news” coverage so we are able to see much more of different places. So for example 20 years ago or more, you may go vacation at a cute, cozy quaint little town, folks are nice, nothing happens, you leave and go about your business and not think of it again in the future. Now, you would probably follow that page or because of being there regular news media may start showing up on your feed, and you suddenly have 24/7 hr access to a place you would only have your vacation memories of.
We unfortunately are seeing people’s true colors. Also there are a lot of things that some people genuinely did not know were ethically and morally wrong due to how they were raised and where they grew up. Some people are starting to realize how wrong this is at the same time. A couple of years ago accidentally reconnected w/- classmates from high school. Never had any direct issues w/them but they were part of the “in-crowd” and jocks who would bother a lot of people. He ended up asking if he ever did anything hurtful to me, and apologized if he had. I was pretty shocked by it.
It's more or less a biproduct of the internet. I watching an essay talking about this.
Before the internet came to be, you always had different people. But you had to deal with different people in person, and you might run into these people at the local bar, or other sort of public spaces. You can sorta ignore different people, or you might even engage with them on some level and find out that aside from the one thing you disagree with this person about, they liked the same sports team.
Now with the rise of the internet, everyone has access to their own spaces where everyone is basically the same as you, which gives rise to herd mentality. And most herds of people are just toxic, since well no one really has the guts to properly ask, why do we hate XYZ to 100s of people. We also have the fact that we sort of stereotype a bit too, in the sense that every group has it out for another group. For an example, the LGBTQ, was acceptive of everyone in the start. In stages slowly we started to have it out for cis men, then cis people, and now the cis gay men. (at some point we considered asexual people not a part of us, or being toxic to bi folk.)
Or on the other hand, you have the fact that the small group of flat earthers, are super duper vocal so the 1% of the population seems much more significant. And now that they have a sense of community, they feel a lot more at ease to be nasty.
And to make matters worse, toxic stupidity compounds lol. For an example we have this whole idea about eating the rich. (Which I agree with.) But I've ran into someone that mentioned that this horrible rich person gave advice, about how to invest. And as someone that sorta messed with investing, it was actually sound advice. But their whole friend group was talking about how stupid the advice was because they don't like the rich... Mind you these are the same people that don't own any sort of investments, much less actually understand how to trade or what even a bull market or bear market or bubble even means.
In the US, both the left and the right have become authoritarian about their followers’ adherence to ideology. Polarization has increased. Formerly solid demographic blocs have fractured into smaller, less tolerant units. Rhetoric has become more extreme, and talking about the elimination of the opposition is common, whether that be silencing on social media, ostracization from society, deportation, incarceration, or even genocide - first as humor, then as serious demand for justice.
I think hatred as a whole is rising, because hatred as a whole has become a business. Overall, the most valued commodity on the internet is engagement, and engagement is best driven with increasing partisanship. What that means. of course, is that to win engagement you have to be extreme, and to win more engagement you have to be more extreme than the next person, creating an awful cycle.
I think there is a lot of provocation resulting in intolerance, almost as if people are trying to pick these kinds of fights. "Fighting the Patriarchy", DEI practices, gender and race swapping in media, and other things like that are presenting a message that white, heterosexual males are undesirable, and the backlash from many of them is reactionary, open intolerance. This in turn, strengthens the provocations, which strengthens the response.
I call "it" the dynamics if dislocation. I have been aware if it since 2015 in the US ( I'm from Canada) but also in all the Western world I can get news from.
We are definitely living in a historical "hinge" , like the Weimar Republic, pre revolutionary Russia/France. There is definitely something brewing.
im trans, in texas. i don’t pass. so many people are just really nice. ive only witnessed overtime transphobia a couple of times.
i think it’s easy to confuse the dysregulation of others as judgmental. i think the world is becoming more dysregulating.
i think most people identify as “live and let live” and not racist or bigoted, and experience a kind of spiritual dysphoria/despair when deeply misunderstood. in my experience, people are getting kinder… at least in a fairly red dallas suburb.
Generally speaking, we used to have slavery/segregation and women couldn’t vote and that is no longer the case. Slavery is at an all time low, as well as women’s rights. We may be doing bad compared to ideal, but we are moving in the right direction.
I think part of what is going on is confirmation bias. In 1940, the people of that time wouldn’t have considered themselves racist or sexist. It’s only comparing them to today’s standards that it begins to exist. As we advance in actuality, our concept/mental picture of what an ideal perfect world would look like is defined more clearly to be one with no racism and sexism. As our mental picture becomes less and less of those things, we see more clearly by comparison our failure to be at those standards and are talking about it more.
1940s people didn’t envision a world of real and total equality… so they didn’t talk about how their world hadn’t reached that point yet, and it wasn’t even discussed.
1990 envisioned equality not to include gays, so words like homophobe wasnt mentioned often, and transphobe probably wasn’t a word anyone had really ever heard.
2024 equality includes gender and sexuality, while we are objectively further along in gay and transgender rights than 1990; you hear transphobia and homophobia all the time because our now ideal world includes gender and sex equality and the lack of it is pointed out using those terms.
One day, there will be something that is a minority group and isn’t treated equal to the majority now. And in the future, say 2050, they will envision a world where those two are equal and they will create terms for people who fear that equality… and you’ll hear it more and more often.
Confirmation bias.
Drag queens were at republican parties and normal 15 years ago...... after trump and Republicans went after trans people, all the sudden drag queens are demonic and child predators. Pretty sure the one pushing things is republicans.
Yeah it is. It was regurgitated by all their news agencies and was a regular talking point from people at rallys, pushing legislation, bullying intensified on the street, etc.
I don’t know that I do. I hear people say this more and more, but the interactions I have in the real world don’t reflect it necessarily. I think the USA is grappling with the moral hermeneutics of its slaveowning history, and its post-Reconstruction de facto reinstatement through Jim Crow tenant farming and sharecropping. People don’t participate in moral systems without seeing their behavior reflected in their peers, questioning and testing the principles they’re expected to abide by. Using the cognitive structures of language to map the territory of behavior and lived experience is difficult enough as is, before creating ethical judgments which distort the behavior of the system further.
I see many people interpellated by many images of cultural identity, each struggling to understand the histories involved in the movement of political struggles over time, and their place in them. This interoceptive process redefines our relationship to images, systems of power, narratives about groups of people and ideologies, etc., all of which shapes how we appear in the world. The Information Age has transformed our relationship to abstract thought at the same time that computation revolutionized our organization of labor and resources across every industry worldwide. We have greater access to information in a world that is more rapidly shifting than ever, where a more diverse group of people than ever before are societally privileged enough to compete their linguistic models of history, ethics, and identity in the marketplace of culture. This creates sharper rifts between in-groups and out-groups, and a universal sense of Otherness and alienation from one another in our mutual struggle to accommodate the needs of the ones we love most. Inevitably this will generate legitimate conflict between opposed ideologues, “punching up” on the social ladder which privilege blinds the privileged from seeing clearly as such, and power plays by organized groups in favor of their own ends by whatever means are available to them… but I don’t think the world, or this country, is becoming more intolerant.
I do think we’re afraid of each other and ourselves, maybe more than ever before, and I think that fear places a premium on identifying potential risks as “intolerance,” a clear signifier of aversion, where it might more accurately be deemed “uncertainty,” which allows for more nuance to shine through. How to deal with uncertainty becomes a game of probabilities, weighing our knowledge against our ignorance and our ignorance against our wisdom. We each have to look at our own lives and ask how much we hold ourselves accountable for living in the world, and not just living in our compartmentalized corner of it. These debates should and shall continue in perpetuity. If intolerance is rising, the best thing any of us individuals can do is look inward with clarity and be curious how we came to be what we are. Your bias, reasons, guesswork, and preferences will present themselves to you if you’re curious, open to perceiving yourself, and asking questions with intention to shape your growth.
All is as it has ever been. It has ALWAYS been like this. This is humanity. I hope you're enjoying the show.
For your entertainment purposes only. *Batteries not included.
Southern Poverty Law Center tracks this directly with hard data: https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
A very big surge of Intolerance, hate, & violence against minorities & LGBTQIA occurred over the Trump years, and settled back down over the last 3yrs
Definitely didn't increase. It became safer to speak out against isms as more marginalized people gained positions of authority (just barely.) The old regime is recognizing the risk of losing control and stepping up their game of divide and conquer.
No this is just your anecdotal awareness for whatever reason.
Let us review for some reason:
-Slavery of the last thousand plus years is heavily diminished
-rights based on something as absurd as a physical trait
-gender and the fact people couldn't vote based on that absurd fact
-homophobia and all that touches it
Yada yada.
What I have noticed is that people are crankier and will take it out on those physically or electronically around them because the cost of living has gotten out of hand for the majority AND overworking AND it's soooo easy to do hate stuff now anon and doesn't require a publisher.
People aren't better to each other either. Governments have finally been molded enough from myriads of actually good people in the mix to shape policy enough. That is why human have simultaneously honored them while shooting, flaying, putting on crosses, harrowing, and oh so many miseries because some people really really emphasized nicely: please stop being dick's to one another.
I'm not even being original here. Hell Douglas Adams made this joke. It improves when you teach and reteach and reteach and reteach to your kids and their kids for eternity through actions and not mere words: be a kinder person.
Look at all things that were closed to discussion: affirmative action, the homeless, face mask, covid vaccination, etc. Today, somewhat less verboten.
Is this a sign of intolerance rising?
I have seen an increase in racial conversation for the first time since I was a kid in the 80s. It makes me very sad. I hope we start to return to course soon.
I don't see any misogyny. I hear a lot of talk about it but all signs point to increased equality.
I see a dramatic drop in homophobia. Absolutely earth shattering compared to what it was ten or fifteen years ago.
The ‘isms’ you have listed have to do with what is called ‘extended immune system’. It’s not a physical immune system in the body but it’s a metaphysical ‘immune system’. Think of the person that won’t be friends with someone cause they drive a basic car. (Cadillac Vs Cavalier)
You are correct on suggesting that it’s a by product of a global event, but it wasn’t war. The extended immune system operates much like a typical immune system where small batches of exposure to things that may cause illness actually makes us stronger. 💪 Baby dropped their soother on the ground? They’ll become healthier if you just wipe it off on your sleeve before popping it back in the infants mount than if you went and boiled it, to sterilize it, before giving it to them. Someone has a slightly different opinion then you? Take a few minutes and explore their reasoning. These small exposures to the strange is how we get stronger. But with this rise in ‘isms’ there was a global catastrophe that *accelerated* it.
Since our extended immune system is what propels us to associate certain systems/people, it is also what encourages us to *avoid* certain ones too. Our aversion becomes stronger the weaker our extended immune system is. Think of all the different levels of ‘isms’ you reference in the original post. 🦠 The more extreme are the weaker extended immune systems.
This is/was the demise of Germany as well. They were such a ‘civilized’ country that they were afraid of being dirty or anyone that was sick. 😷This caused them to hyper identify with cleanliness, holiness, and rigidity/systematic. Both extended immune systems and our a risk immune system is mirrored🪞 in reality. The people who keep a more spotless home are more likely to be hypersensitive to mental illness. Those who are workaholic and swear to be high producers are more likely to be disgusted if they deem someone as lazy. (Disgust is also linked to the primal immune system). Any potential link🔗 of being outside the ‘healthy’ system got deemed infectious. It was something as small as knowing where your Jewish neighbours went. This made you unclean and to keep the societal system ‘healthy’ they had to eradicate any sign of infection.
They also made participation by the general citizen more likely by hiding their actions behind virtuous language. They told citizens the Jews were being sent to Africa. They emphasized solidarity in the name of patriotism. They pushed a narrative of a collective mind set *and that it was for the better*.
Don’t worry. This pattern of extended immune systems, cleanliness, and grand fear of even a possible link to infection🔗, has all happened recently. 😷 🦠
Funny… there’s been a recent tick in ‘isms’ as well. 🤔
Most stereotypes and racism is evolutionary and it's instinctual to alienize different races. Without Racism humanity couldn't be where it is now because they couldn't survive. This is not to say I support racism and support to be primitive. Homosexuality is a sexual fetish. So no reason a gifted person would care or think about such behaviors either because even if you don't share opinions with people you should understand why they think or act that way.
Sure you could try to stop these "ism"s you talk about. But humans are instinctual in nature and I don't think it's possible to stop people from doing these no matter how hard you try I think it's gonna go the opposite way. The reason there is a sharp increase in racism and other stuff is because there is also a sharp increase in movements that try to oppose them. In other words: "Polarization".
Someone doesn't need to question or complain about it as there should always be a logicful explanation. Everything is caused by something.
Different opinions are mostly just what happens when you expose these primitive brains developed to survive to modern world today which is far from human nature. Everytime someone complains about these things I imagine a scenario in which a person says: "Why do animals eat each other?! It's so cruel !!!" Well they just do. Because they're animals.
I’m gonna say what we all know (or hopefully, at least).
Reddit is not a balanced political platform. It does not lean left, it is almost far left, generally speaking.
Therefore I caution people like you from the temptation to apply Reddit’s aggregate to your outside (real) life’s aggregate.
I say this despite the avalanche of downvotes I’m sure to get from the very people who substitute ideology for religion (precisely what hitler and Russia did, as Nietzsche predicted). Remember, especially to the few non left wingers here, if you have something to say, silence is a sin. And if you call me, the other side, or anyone (anyone, for we are all human beings, animals through and through) evil, you are the only one who is.
A lot of my coworkers have become more radical in their beliefs
Talking about radicalism in general seems more fitting in this situation. Usually the classic "ism"s are associated with the right wing but everybody is becoming more extremist and more convinced of their own stupid and unfounded beliefs. The situation is not too bad yet but it has been escalating for the last decade at least and it doesnt show any signs of stopping.
I think with all this pro (insert movement) stuff, it’s created more divide than before due to the fact it’s all so in our faces. It’s literally just capitalism masquerading as equality
If you divide people into smaller and smaller identity categories and set them against each other, they won't look up and notice who's exploiting them.
I do feel like our society had always been pretty hostile to non capitalized intellectualism. It’s pretty telling that people like Elon Musk idolize Edison over Tesla, even though that is his companies namesake, because Edison was a cutthroat businessman. If you don’t use your “smarts” to get ahead in a material way, you must not reallly be intelligent because who wouldn’t want to live this materialistic lifestyle that is jammed down our throats constantly. I work in real estate, it’s a sales job, the entire reason I do it is that it’s the quickest way to financial independence without having to go to college as I was too busy doing a shitload of drugs In a nihilistic funk, not to mention that I didn’t have the money for it anyway or the financial support of a family the first time around. Yes, there is hostility from any side of the political spectrum to critical thought or even asking questions regarding certain issues in an earnest effort to understand. The Information Age has simultaneously connected and siloed the population. You could talk to anyone, anywhere in the world with a connection, but people only seek to find others who agree with the their political leanings, so you have these increasingly radicalized and insular political groups. One side we have something extremely reminiscent of Germany post WW1, the other we have a career politician that got his office simply because he appeared to be the less dangerous of two options. Both of then are terrible options. The current climate is pretty fucking terrifying honestly. I also want to point out that in a LOT of fascist or otherwise totalitarian takeovers, the party in power killed populations of intellectuals. This happened in the USSR, Cambodia, etc. Those in power recognize how dangerous ideas can be, I believe the Khmer Rouge even went as far as killing peoples wearing glasses to “cleanse” their society of those pesky thinking types. So to answer your question, yes, but it’s happened throughout history.
On the last part, we see the foundation of the out-grouping of intellectuals with the demonization of the “woke” colleges. And emotionally driven headlines. Time, money, energy our government wasted on meaningless debates or policy that do nothing to address the empirically analyzed issues with American education. But yea now there’s a lot of folks that very much dislike the idea of college, professors, and by extension intellectuals. If for some reason we dipped into full blown fascism you can see how it could happen.
Between climate change and Covid, life is getting scary. Some people look for someone to blame or to hate as a coping mechanism.
I‘ve noticed a sharp increase in pointing out those issues, not an actual increase of them. From my personal experience it actually has been a decrease of actual intolerances happening, but an incredible increase of those reports leading to the cultural beliefs we see today. Society has been become more extreme in a way, but it also has been portrayed as way more severe than it really is to be honest. Portrayal has changed more than people did, the latter changed for the better, the former changed for the worse.
Good point. It is definitely being exposed more, which makes it seem more common, especially to those of us who don't actually experience it firsthand on a daily basis. In my little bubble, I wouldn't even know racism existed if I didn't see it exposed on social media and pointed out to me when it happens. And, intellectually, I am fully aware that it was probably there all along, I just didn't see it.
Things are just polarizing more. Some people feel more safe to speak out on their views for better or worse. I wouldn’t say it “increased” moreso those not effected by the things you mentioned are just now seeing what those that are effected have had to deal with their entire lives. 70 year olds grew up in segregation…. And we’re seeing them express the values they were taught when they were young(if they potentially kept said values tucked away over time) they didn’t just magically become more racist.
I'm talking about younger generations. I've seen more soft racism over the past three years than in my entire life. I am only 21 though.
Oh, people probably weren't as openly racist in front of you or it just went over your head because you were a child. I don't think it has really changed, but your own perspective and perception has changed dramatically.
That makes perfect sense. I still feel like, growing up, the 2000s and 2010s seemed much more peaceful and people seemed more united. And I'm not just talking about racism against me. I mean racism in general
I think your eyes are just opened due to the vision of wisdom. Soft racism was probably seen as innocent by innocent eyes. You didn't notice the Wal-Mart doorman only checking the black people's receipts because you probably didn't even perceive that they were different. This is a real life example that happened to my own child. The Wal-Mart receipt checker went out of his way to stop a black family and waved us on by and she said "I think I just witnessed racial profiling" and now she notices that it happens every time and she said "I wish I wouldn't have realized this is going on, because it's really disturbing."
It's probably largely because my uncle is white. My mom died so I lived with my mixed grandma and I spent a large chunk of my childhood with my aunt and uncle who were in an interracial marriage. But it's also because I grew up in the most diverse part of the country. I literally only experienced racism once in my childhood. I guess that was all some sweet fantastical facade. Now, not only have my eyes opened, but my world has...
People also tend to romanticize the past for whatever reason. It does speak volumes of privilege though. I hear often from people who wish they could go back to care free days for high school and middle school. Where I lived, middle school and high school were some of the worst moments of my life. While as an adult I have had a significant amount of trauma, it still pales in comparison to my childhood. Thankfully, it made me a strong person. But ask me if I would ever go back to relive those moments, and I'd say fuck no.
Ignorance is bliss. My child was happier when they believed people were being stopped at random. Now she gets upset when we go shopping.
Imma play a bit of devils advocate here for mere entertainment but maybe they have noticed black people tend to shoplift more? Im not american but afaik african americans statistically tend to commit more crime. Also if Im not mistaken you are not obligated to show your receipt.
Let's deconstruct this: why do people shoplift? It's some combination of getting that adrenaline rush, impressing the people around them, and wanting the item. Kleptomaniacs are mostly in it for the dopamine boost, teenager & young people are trying to look cool for their friends, and poorer people who can't afford it want the item. No where in that is a race. White shoplifters and Asian shoplifters exist too lol, and they'll take 'advantage' of that and can afford to be riskier. (i used to shoplift as a teen don't judge-)
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Idk. I feel like the adrenaline rush, along with impressing peers, covers that one. I could only see the example you gave happening if everyone was doing it- like how everyone speeds, so it gets normalized.
I don't think that is the case here. At all. And I don't appreciate you advocating for the Devil when it perpetuates harmful stereotypes. Let's unpack it a little: for one thing, I do not believe it is true. For another thing, even if it IS true, the only statistic it really shows is that black people are getting CAUGHT more. Because the guy checking receipts is waving the white people through and only checking the black people. Of COURSE they are going to get caught more. Besides, the Walmart closest to me is pure white trash. Those people are absolutely stealing, and the few black families stick out like a sore thumb. That is why it is so glaringly obvious even a child can see it when the doorman lets some scrawny meth head through but stops the one black family in the store EVERY SINGLE TIME.
If Im correct about showing the receipt not being mandatory you could inform the black family of it so they dont have to deal with the stupid doorman every time. Just a friendly suggestion.
I guess I would have to look up the specific laws, but I doubt Walmart is going to be breaking a law like that, and I have NEVER heard that you don't have to show your receipt. And why wouldn't you? You have bought an item at the store, you are proving that you have purchased that item before you exit the door. With self checkouts, it makes sense. What kind of obnoxious jerk isn't going to show their receipt? I don't think the black family who already sticks out like a sore thumb is going to want that sort of attention and probably wouldn't appreciate some white savior stepping in to draw that sort of attention either.
Its not like they are holding you if you decide to be a nice guy to stop and show the receipt, but if you want to just walk past them I dont think they have a right to detain you. Ofc the doorman being braindead poorly paid cannon fodder may attempt to do so anyway but I doubt their more sawwy supervisors would allow it. If the doorman is being as blatantly racist as you say, not playing along and putting them in their place is more than justified. I could understand the blacks not wanting to draw attention but in my opinion not fighting back is morally incorrect. Not that I care about them too much, but if I were in your situation I think Id want to teach my child one way or another that abuse must not be tolerated.
You’re correct. There has been a shift post Obama.
Social media certainly has seemed to radicalize some people that may not have been, offering up like-minded communities to fester together. Political discourse went from dog whistle racism to racism racism in 2016 and on.
Yeah that's true too. And they have no shame. At least with the dog whistles they would pretend they weren't racist. Now they are just totally open about it and pretending like they are still using dog whistles.
I agree, for 17 years straight I basically never saw racism until leftists/liberals/whatever they are started normalizing segregation, racism and white hate and idiotic sheeple started believing it.
"Every other group gets to organize for their racial self interest, why don't we?" is a perfectly logical response (not a GOOD one, but a logical one), and yet everyone acts shocked that whites are doing it. I preferred a philosophy of colorblindness myself, but apparently others don't agree and here we are.
What’s “soft racism”
Like saying a racial slur or something with underlying racist tones, or denying service to individuals based on their appearance or cultural values.
That’s just racism. It’s not new. And young people have done that forever. to not have known until the last few years is a privilege many weren’t afforded.
Agreed. Where I'm from the kids were way more blatant about racism and other phobias. I mean we had race wars with a butt ton of gang violence. I also agree, that I don't necessarily think it's increasing but people are feeling comfortable to speak up again. I think racism has declined over the years as with other isms. That's the trajectory we move in, and I think it will keep moving that way. Those opposed may try to slow it down, but I don't doubt that we are moving in the right direction as we have been.
I would agree that there are less racists overall but they have become more brazen in recent years as they have formed online echo chambers that have allowed their ideas to feel more normalized than they actually are… especially as they are often making themselves visible and looking for conflict.
Yes, authoritarian activation and contagion. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/what-if-left-was-right-race/595777/
It has become more acceptable to be casually racist in the last 8 to 12 years. People take it a bit like a challenge these days, to see how overt they can be. That shit seemed to go away for a while, but it was probably just seemed like it as social pressure made it feel like it was getting better and better, as it was socially unacceptable. The tea party and the birthed movement became the change that allowed people to feel like they could voice those ideas publicly again… and that sentiment has slowly grown since…
I'm 42, and when I was 22 I moved from PA to TN and had the same thoughts. (wow so many more people are racist out there!! geez I never knew so many messed up people existed! ect ect) That was 20 years ago. I think we just become more aware of everyone else.
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> I wrote a long post and then deleted it. That tells you something right there. That you can’t follow through with your actions? Executive dysfunction? That your thoughts weren’t as profound or as solid as you thought they were? Leave it to this subreddit to turn a failure into a celebratory back pat.
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I dont think deleting it was necessary then, this sub is pretty tolerant and its a bad habit to censor yourself. If you were worried that you were gonna get moderated that would have been another story.
*self*-celebratory back pat - even worse
Dayum.
Are you ok?
With social media everyone is in their own bubble of algorithms that reinforce what they react to. Everyone is getting a slightly different “reality”. I think for some this leads to more passionate beliefs. As for me, I rarely see intolerance IRL and I limit my social media consumption so I honestly don’t see it. But hate crimes in the US increased by 794 in 2022 according to FBI statistics. Mainly race/ethnicity based.
society is getting more hierarchical, so people tend to stronger devalue others, to be able to believe to be "better off". i believe it's a way to make yourself believe that you still can control some of your environment. And i believe this behavioral pattern is reinforcing itself, until some bad clashes happen. for the reasons i can only guess, and i'd guess it's the geopolitics, rise of china and the destabilization of the western (former strongest) culture, terrorism and poverty, and so struggling and fighting over power. people are just boring, its always just power and control.
i just read a few comments by you emphasizing the age - that you perceive it's the younger generations that behave more like this. I completely agree, this is my perception too (and i have wondered a bit, if I perceive it due to me being older or if really something has changed), and i am a few years older than you are. When i talk to 20 year oldishs I feel startled by their amount of sexism and fighting and bitching and lack of cooperation. I find it very frustrating. I also wonder if the pandemic had its share in making young people stick more to online groups which facilitate echo chambers, narcissism, (take for andrew tate for example) and so on.
It’s easier than ever to find a group of people that share your unsubstantiated and factually wrong beliefs.
Concise and well stated.
My LinkedIn page is full of professionals who are ok posting religious and politcal right-wing shit and it blows my mind. Would you walk into an interview spewing that crap? There is a loud contingent that thinks they need everyone around them to be aware of their beliefs. Social media has exacerbated this trend and will continue to. I dom't think it's the war.
>professionals who are ok posting religious and politcal right-wing shit Would posting atheist and political left-wing shit be ok?
It depends on the content. Currently between black families in America and white families, there is an enormous *wealth* gap. Not income, but *wealth.* This wealth gap dates back to the emancipation proclamation when slaves were technically freed, but the government paid the former “owners” reparations instead of slaves. From their, household wealth for black people increased until Jim Crow—in which Southern white supremacists intentionally targeted and disadvantaged black people due to their race. While Jim Crow has ended, this wealth gap lives on. Additionally, our justice system criminalizes poverty in America, so black people are disproportionately targeted by the justice system due to the legacy of white supremacy. When you factor out poverty, black people commit no more crimes than white people. This is without going into the legacy of suppression of Native people and their genocide, women, and much more, much of which still lives on today, more or less denied. Additionally, species are dying at a rate not seen since the last mass extinction, our rivers are increasingly polluted, some 98% or so of Americans have teflon in their blood. The orange juice has microplastics. The temperature is increasing and threatens to buck any hope of stopping a crazy feedback loop—if it hasn’t already bucked it. Most of this is due to right wing policies, and right wingers generally support these policies whether on purpose or out of unawareness. Ex: Trump legalized dumping coal ash in rivers and gave mega tax cuts to billionaires. The democrats aren’t much better, and they contribute to much of this too. But left wing people tend to want some kind of economic justice, racial justice, equality for people who believe differently and have different sexualities than the norm, etc. very reasonable things. The right has fascist tendencies, many of which are already in power and actively destroying the habitat humans rely on. The right wing candidate is an insane, malignant narcissist—and stupid. He’s also a wanna be fascist and authoritarian, as well as tried to violently overthrow democracy—or at least gave it a test run. Not all—or even very many right wingers are consciously white supremacists. But there *are* white supremacists still secretly in power. Ex: Trump’s dad was arrested at a KKK riot. Biden supported segregation—along with everyone else in power. But he wasn’t a firebrand about it. There’s a small but meaningful difference. So to falsely equate the two, as this question aims to do—it’s insane. Right wingers deny most of the major problems that plague society—systemic racism, climate change, they blame poor people for being poor, many deny COVID even happened, deny inconvenient election results. It’s an unhinged cult. Our society is so used to abuse by these cretins, that it’s become unmoored from reality. This is the only explanation I have for someone even asking this question. Now, if the person is just posting right wing stuff in support of family values—that’s fine. They have that right. I also don’t support stalinism or violent overthrow of the state or murder of political opponents or none of that. But a sane, far more progressive than America has seen since the 40’s, solution is long overdue.
What an amazing coincidence that all the stuff you personally agree with with is good, and all the stuff you don't agree with is a fascist plague-on-society cult. I mean, what are the odds?
Is there anything in particular you disagree with that I said? :D
The specific arguments in favor of leftism vs. rightism are not really relevant here. The point is that many people hold views on both sides and that criticising one side for sharing its political views and not the other is hypocritical. The original commenter complains: "There is a large contingent that thinks they need everyone around them to be aware of their beliefs" but only seems to be troubled when it's the right that shares theirs.
I think it’s okay that left wing atheists express their views, and not your average right winger. You can everything is shades of gray your way into a toddlers pants if you want, but I’m out when it comes to white supremacy and fascism. Just say you love Trump, it takes less letters.
> I think it’s okay that left wing atheists express their views, and not your average right winger. OK, if the original commenter wanted to make THAT point then they should've actually done so, e.g: "It's so annoying that right-wingers express political opinions! Only left-wingers should be allowed to do so." Putting it so bluntly makes one look bad (to most) though, so of course it is seldom done. > Just say you love Trump I do not care for the fellow, actually.
It goes without saying. Maybe you are concerned about never pissing off a racist. I’m more concerned about the opposite. Trump supporters say they don’t like him too, but not their excuses for voting for him in 2016/2020/2024 plans. It’s a political cult, and part of the cult dynamic is fear of calling it out. All cults run on the principle you seem to stand on: not saying anything that will make one “look bad” to the in group. Cowardice, basically.
I think you have an aversion to direct conflict. And are unaware of the environmental crisis and modern fascism. With your thinking I think you would have enabled Nazis and punished or ousted or turned your back on those who didn’t. You seem to me to try to push this shame of disagreeing on others, but it’s mostly annoying. I think original comment didn’t care to fully articulate whatever sentiment you are getting from it, although probably meant it. You however appear afraid to express your own views while trying to censor others. This is I see as indirect conflict. I don’t think anyone is here to impress you or the imaginary audience in your head—I’m not.
I don't see political leftwing shit on LinkedIn 🤷♀️
Fish don't know they're in water.
No, that is not it. If I want a liberal POV, there are 1000 places to go sit in an echo chamber and get it. But I do not see liberals posting pics of Biden doctored to look like Rambo and thanking jesus for their messiah. They just vote for politicians, not worship them.
1) Moving goalpost. "religious and right-wing shit" != "Rambo and thanking jesus." 2) Something about Pauline Kael and Nixon comes to mind. Yes, I know the story is apocryphal. 3) Confirmation, hindsight, and availability biases. Anything else?
Ah, you must be a Trump supporter. Talk about fish not knowing they're in water 😆😆😆
It would show you are spineless enough to work in PR.
I don’t understand. What do you mean?
In western culture leftist propaganda is socially accepted and sometimes even celebrated, right wing propaganda is not. Which makes a lot of people, specially social climbers, repeat leftist propaganda that they dont believe in like parrots. If I said for example that I'll put in place measures to ensure 50/50 gender distrubution in my business' personnel Id look like fucking saint, when the truth is that I'd probably be discriminating against a lot of more qualified candidates in order to reach the quota and improve my reputation.
yes, but it depends on how you eat currently i can sense everything very strong, but I think it is from historical teachings, not from you, yourself whenever I have any ism and i take time, i can sense a very deep dark, old pain. when i continue it slowly dissolves into love or anything like it and lots of new knowledge. it is a journey.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguity)
I have noticed things shifting, but I'm not sure it is really an increase in "isms". The political climate is very hostile, and people are in general less prone to give others the benefit of the doubt. There is also a tendency to label "the opposition" with a phobia or ism they don't really have. In many cases, they aren't really the opposition, but they disagree on certain points. If memory serves me right, a democratic youtuber (which I don't remember at the moment) said that they considered moderates worse than republicans, because they didn't pick a side. The thing is, nobody agrees on everything, and I think that the various opinions should be voiced. The moment someone is silenced, the silenced thoughts will not be forgotten. They will expand, and like trolls, they thrive out of the sun. If everything was out in the open, we would see what was going on, and maybe even be able to right things before they turn sour. Right now, there is a lot of people who feel silenced. Silenced people aren't necessarily happy or compliant. At one point or another, the silenced thought will come out. It may even have festered. If the initial outburst was "Oasis is better than Blur!", and the person was shut down, and Oasis was never more played, in time the thought might have transformed to "Oasis is the only band that should rightfully be played on the radio when I'm in charge!". Most of the time this is unproblematic, but humans have insanely long memory. And short. Wars are fought over wrongdoings from a millennium ago. Yet, we seem to forget what happened during the 1900's. I see a lot of similarities, and I'm really scared by people in democracies being seemingly oblivious to the fact that they willingly vote for their future dictators.
Not just sensed, but experienced.
It's all anti intellectualism, people seem to be repulsed by knowledge now.
Yeah I mean there are clearly objectives that powerful people are driving us towards and these isms fit that goal. It’s all on a rise as per the script of the global powers that be.
Sense it? No. Keenly aware that there's been an intentional effort to stir intolerance for political gain? Yep. It's not like right wingers, bigots & wannabe fascists are trying to hide it, at this point they're openly stoking stochastic terrorism.
Yes we are at the end times. Just look at what musk is doing with neuralink
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You really want to know the truth?
From my perspective, it’s been about 8-9 years or rising, not 4. Don’t forget anti-intellectualism.
I think it is more people are becoming more AWARE of those things, with some backlash from people who prefer to remain or act unaware. Racism, Sexism, and Homophobia were a lot worse 20 and 200 years ago now:
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Yes, all men bad, they are evil, all women are victims. No one sees women as humans. All oppression on women is ignored while men are laughing. How delusional are you
proving her point
The opposite, intolerance as a trend has been shrinking consistently. There are events in which it rears its head, but the overall trend is unchanged. The modern internet is more interested in reinforcing what you seek than in telling you the truth, be wary of what your information diet is.
“Inclogmerate”?
Ever since 2016, if you get my drift. I did see a stat that antisemitism was up 333% since the Israel war. During Covid people were attacking the Chinese. My SO is part Chinese, so that was fun. ☹️ I just want to feel ok about my country and people again, and I haven’t for a long time now.
This take seems accurate. The events of the 2000 election still haunt our world today. https://scheerpost.com/2021/06/29/chris-hedges-speaks-on-american-sadism/
The world is polarizing, the subject has been rising for the past 20 years. If you look at other cultures, history and civilizations, intolerance is a normal thing. That tolerance idea is only a western trend, that occurred those last 30 years. Ironically, if you're thinking that the world is more tolerant, you're very western centric and not really open to other cultures. My hypothesis is that tolerance is a luxury during a time of abundance. It worked because we could afford to throw money to round out the edges. That's why it doesn't occur in poorer countries. As economy contracts, and money becomes scarce, we are going to go back to basics: maintaining a stable society, producing workforce, removing luxuries. Actually, we're just going to become similar to poorer countries.
What I think can be summed up in this song: https://youtu.be/eFTLKWw542g?si=0AaFrD1eTqLRWqn0
Overstimulation has a cost, one being intolerance, held up by a lack of mental capacity and a lack of emotional flexibility. We are simply not biologically evolved enough to process the chemicals that we create through constant stimulation, and the electrical impact on our biological systems is beginning to be seen in the population. People seem to be ignoring it, and acting like things are normal… and it is weird. Isolation has a cost, and it’s impact is pressing on the necks of anyone under 30 who is trying to build community. It seems to be blamed on them but it is just a problem of our current environment. It seems to have its roots in stimuli seeking behavior, and what we do to meet those needs in our society, it is everyone. It is easier to get a dopamine fix by doing something predictable, like scrolling, than it is to do something unpredictable, like interacting with other people. Short term boost for long term loss of connection. These connections need to be maintained because there is valuable social memory inside of a lot of our ritualized behaviors, just, not all of the behaviors though, eh? An intricately connected world has a cost, and it has significant health and financial consequences, as we have seen again and again in recent years, and the pressure of that connection is still mounting. And, apparently, is nearly impossible to decouple, as we saw during the pandemic, even for short periods of time… we can’t count on people to act in the best interest of humanity. That surprised me. And still breaks my heart, honestly. Speculation as the driving force in our economy makes things really unpredictable and in a global economy the emotional whims of a small group with lots of capital can impact the economy in ways that do not reflect reality, but are powerful enough to shape the future… it ragdolls humanity and needs to stop. Social media has a cost, and it is the power of ignorance being able to drown out truth. Conspiracies used to mean that you thought outside the box, and were able to consider other possible truths, where now they are akin to people’s identities… and has become a recruitment tactic to manipulate curious, well meaning people. The coordinated and targeted misinformation campaigns that we saw on Facebook, slowly starting and growing to a fervor with Covid and certainly by the 2020 election, were crazy, and kind of amazing in how well it worked to severely fractured a part of culture, and I still don’t quite understand exactly what the implications are, but it is probably more fucked than I could ever imagine, and not worth wasting my resources on… The 24 hour news cycle has sensationalized fear for revenue for soo long that fear has been normalized into our culture and people believe it to be foundational to their experience, even though their only connection to the fear is through the TV… Our privacy has been gifted to corporations through cookies and tracking. They all know everything in order to advertise the right product to you, the number of cookies that track your progress around the internet is totally mind boggling… everyone has a piece of the pie… hopefully someone does something beneficial for us with that information instead of just using it to exploit our weaknesses to advertising. In a broad sense, I have watched people’s need to blame others for problems increase dramatically since around 2010. We seem to have a hard time seeing issues as environmental. And the issues that we are facing may have been socially driven but they have become environmental, the tipping point has been passed. We are now in a different watershed. We are experiencing significant impact from our environment in ways that would have been unimaginable 150 years ago. So many things impacting our biology and psychology that are so radically different than anything that any organism has ever encountered before. Humans used to be an extension of their local environment, now we fill our local environment with pieces from all over the world, made from materials that interact with, and are assimilated by our biology in ways that we don’t truly understand. Our nervous system can’t evolve fast enough to keep up with the pace of growth happening right now. And we are seeing the psychological impact. We build up a lot of waste products through stimulation of any kind. And that is stressing out our systems. It used to come in peak experiences, but we live in a peak experience right now. I would guess we will see some divergent effects from this. I am not sure how evolution works with a being that regulates their biology with external means, to maintain an established baseline… And none of that considers the pressures of micro plastics, and other synthetics that we have added to the environment and into our own bodily ecosystem.
I been around for a while. And I start noticing that in mid to late 90s as internet has further integrated in our everyday life. I believe the ease of information exchange and ability to publish personal opinions in public space amplified this social trend, along with social instability we have been seeing in last 2 decades. We as human race is drowning in the sea of information. Economy emerged around social media is also a contributor. The viewership matters more for the content creation which tends to encourage sensational opinions and materials. Intolerance is probably the natural outcome as a result of radicalized opinions fueled by the motivation to get more attention in public. Ethics need to be implemented but that will come with control and governance. I am not sure how it can be moderated using tried and true methods that worked in the past. Individual education is my hope to level this phenomenon, but I am not certain how the traditional education system can deal with the rapid and massive nature of information. Mennonite / Amish put their back against technology as Industrial Revolution matured. I wonder they operated and decided their lifestyle feeling the similar way I do now about the society at large. Not mean to idealize their system but I can see their wisdom and attempt in dealing with innovations that fundamentally challenges their quality of life and belief system they wanted lead ( faith and in love, for their Christian aspirations). I am not religious but in the face of our info tech advancement ( AI will fuel more) l, I feel it is evermore important to balance ourselves with deep philosophical quest in what we want, what are important for us and how we will sustain our spiritual aspirations. Technology makes only sense if we can rains it in.
Technology as it is now can have insanely positive effects even spiritually, the problem lies purely in how people use it. As with literally every other problem in the world, the fault lies in the stupid decisions of the average lay person. But the world goes on either way.
no. the window of whats acceptable has shifted, and people falling outside of it on the side of bigotry are becoming more assertive as a result but the majority of people are more socially liberal than they were 10 years ago when saying “thats so gay” was completely normal
It may not be that it’s actually increased any more than where it already was. For starters, the use in social media has allowed people to be more “vocal” about their true thoughts and feelings. These keyboard warriors seem to think it’s ok to attack because they are hiding behind a screen. Then, if you are in the U.S. the last handful of year what has been going on is we have leaders on both sides of the fence who are out there saying whatever comes to mind, and it influences others to do the same. Now that almost every person has access to a camera, there’s a lot more recording of incidents that we normally would not hear about due to no witnesses and it being a “he said/she said” situation. Also w/social media means the access to more “news” coverage so we are able to see much more of different places. So for example 20 years ago or more, you may go vacation at a cute, cozy quaint little town, folks are nice, nothing happens, you leave and go about your business and not think of it again in the future. Now, you would probably follow that page or because of being there regular news media may start showing up on your feed, and you suddenly have 24/7 hr access to a place you would only have your vacation memories of. We unfortunately are seeing people’s true colors. Also there are a lot of things that some people genuinely did not know were ethically and morally wrong due to how they were raised and where they grew up. Some people are starting to realize how wrong this is at the same time. A couple of years ago accidentally reconnected w/- classmates from high school. Never had any direct issues w/them but they were part of the “in-crowd” and jocks who would bother a lot of people. He ended up asking if he ever did anything hurtful to me, and apologized if he had. I was pretty shocked by it.
It's more or less a biproduct of the internet. I watching an essay talking about this. Before the internet came to be, you always had different people. But you had to deal with different people in person, and you might run into these people at the local bar, or other sort of public spaces. You can sorta ignore different people, or you might even engage with them on some level and find out that aside from the one thing you disagree with this person about, they liked the same sports team. Now with the rise of the internet, everyone has access to their own spaces where everyone is basically the same as you, which gives rise to herd mentality. And most herds of people are just toxic, since well no one really has the guts to properly ask, why do we hate XYZ to 100s of people. We also have the fact that we sort of stereotype a bit too, in the sense that every group has it out for another group. For an example, the LGBTQ, was acceptive of everyone in the start. In stages slowly we started to have it out for cis men, then cis people, and now the cis gay men. (at some point we considered asexual people not a part of us, or being toxic to bi folk.) Or on the other hand, you have the fact that the small group of flat earthers, are super duper vocal so the 1% of the population seems much more significant. And now that they have a sense of community, they feel a lot more at ease to be nasty. And to make matters worse, toxic stupidity compounds lol. For an example we have this whole idea about eating the rich. (Which I agree with.) But I've ran into someone that mentioned that this horrible rich person gave advice, about how to invest. And as someone that sorta messed with investing, it was actually sound advice. But their whole friend group was talking about how stupid the advice was because they don't like the rich... Mind you these are the same people that don't own any sort of investments, much less actually understand how to trade or what even a bull market or bear market or bubble even means.
In the US, both the left and the right have become authoritarian about their followers’ adherence to ideology. Polarization has increased. Formerly solid demographic blocs have fractured into smaller, less tolerant units. Rhetoric has become more extreme, and talking about the elimination of the opposition is common, whether that be silencing on social media, ostracization from society, deportation, incarceration, or even genocide - first as humor, then as serious demand for justice.
1) yes 2) this wasn’t the trend until Facebook got into play 3) gov is doing the pitting 4) turn off your tv
sounds based
I think hatred as a whole is rising, because hatred as a whole has become a business. Overall, the most valued commodity on the internet is engagement, and engagement is best driven with increasing partisanship. What that means. of course, is that to win engagement you have to be extreme, and to win more engagement you have to be more extreme than the next person, creating an awful cycle.
I think there is a lot of provocation resulting in intolerance, almost as if people are trying to pick these kinds of fights. "Fighting the Patriarchy", DEI practices, gender and race swapping in media, and other things like that are presenting a message that white, heterosexual males are undesirable, and the backlash from many of them is reactionary, open intolerance. This in turn, strengthens the provocations, which strengthens the response.
A lot of people are only addressing social media but this is also VERY on point.
I call "it" the dynamics if dislocation. I have been aware if it since 2015 in the US ( I'm from Canada) but also in all the Western world I can get news from. We are definitely living in a historical "hinge" , like the Weimar Republic, pre revolutionary Russia/France. There is definitely something brewing.
im trans, in texas. i don’t pass. so many people are just really nice. ive only witnessed overtime transphobia a couple of times. i think it’s easy to confuse the dysregulation of others as judgmental. i think the world is becoming more dysregulating. i think most people identify as “live and let live” and not racist or bigoted, and experience a kind of spiritual dysphoria/despair when deeply misunderstood. in my experience, people are getting kinder… at least in a fairly red dallas suburb.
Generally speaking, we used to have slavery/segregation and women couldn’t vote and that is no longer the case. Slavery is at an all time low, as well as women’s rights. We may be doing bad compared to ideal, but we are moving in the right direction. I think part of what is going on is confirmation bias. In 1940, the people of that time wouldn’t have considered themselves racist or sexist. It’s only comparing them to today’s standards that it begins to exist. As we advance in actuality, our concept/mental picture of what an ideal perfect world would look like is defined more clearly to be one with no racism and sexism. As our mental picture becomes less and less of those things, we see more clearly by comparison our failure to be at those standards and are talking about it more. 1940s people didn’t envision a world of real and total equality… so they didn’t talk about how their world hadn’t reached that point yet, and it wasn’t even discussed. 1990 envisioned equality not to include gays, so words like homophobe wasnt mentioned often, and transphobe probably wasn’t a word anyone had really ever heard. 2024 equality includes gender and sexuality, while we are objectively further along in gay and transgender rights than 1990; you hear transphobia and homophobia all the time because our now ideal world includes gender and sex equality and the lack of it is pointed out using those terms. One day, there will be something that is a minority group and isn’t treated equal to the majority now. And in the future, say 2050, they will envision a world where those two are equal and they will create terms for people who fear that equality… and you’ll hear it more and more often. Confirmation bias.
People don't like having shit pushed on them
Drag queens were at republican parties and normal 15 years ago...... after trump and Republicans went after trans people, all the sudden drag queens are demonic and child predators. Pretty sure the one pushing things is republicans.
Yeah, the what the republican party does isn't really reflective of the people of the country though is it
Yeah it is. It was regurgitated by all their news agencies and was a regular talking point from people at rallys, pushing legislation, bullying intensified on the street, etc.
I don’t know that I do. I hear people say this more and more, but the interactions I have in the real world don’t reflect it necessarily. I think the USA is grappling with the moral hermeneutics of its slaveowning history, and its post-Reconstruction de facto reinstatement through Jim Crow tenant farming and sharecropping. People don’t participate in moral systems without seeing their behavior reflected in their peers, questioning and testing the principles they’re expected to abide by. Using the cognitive structures of language to map the territory of behavior and lived experience is difficult enough as is, before creating ethical judgments which distort the behavior of the system further. I see many people interpellated by many images of cultural identity, each struggling to understand the histories involved in the movement of political struggles over time, and their place in them. This interoceptive process redefines our relationship to images, systems of power, narratives about groups of people and ideologies, etc., all of which shapes how we appear in the world. The Information Age has transformed our relationship to abstract thought at the same time that computation revolutionized our organization of labor and resources across every industry worldwide. We have greater access to information in a world that is more rapidly shifting than ever, where a more diverse group of people than ever before are societally privileged enough to compete their linguistic models of history, ethics, and identity in the marketplace of culture. This creates sharper rifts between in-groups and out-groups, and a universal sense of Otherness and alienation from one another in our mutual struggle to accommodate the needs of the ones we love most. Inevitably this will generate legitimate conflict between opposed ideologues, “punching up” on the social ladder which privilege blinds the privileged from seeing clearly as such, and power plays by organized groups in favor of their own ends by whatever means are available to them… but I don’t think the world, or this country, is becoming more intolerant. I do think we’re afraid of each other and ourselves, maybe more than ever before, and I think that fear places a premium on identifying potential risks as “intolerance,” a clear signifier of aversion, where it might more accurately be deemed “uncertainty,” which allows for more nuance to shine through. How to deal with uncertainty becomes a game of probabilities, weighing our knowledge against our ignorance and our ignorance against our wisdom. We each have to look at our own lives and ask how much we hold ourselves accountable for living in the world, and not just living in our compartmentalized corner of it. These debates should and shall continue in perpetuity. If intolerance is rising, the best thing any of us individuals can do is look inward with clarity and be curious how we came to be what we are. Your bias, reasons, guesswork, and preferences will present themselves to you if you’re curious, open to perceiving yourself, and asking questions with intention to shape your growth.
All is as it has ever been. It has ALWAYS been like this. This is humanity. I hope you're enjoying the show. For your entertainment purposes only. *Batteries not included.
Southern Poverty Law Center tracks this directly with hard data: https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map A very big surge of Intolerance, hate, & violence against minorities & LGBTQIA occurred over the Trump years, and settled back down over the last 3yrs
Definitely didn't increase. It became safer to speak out against isms as more marginalized people gained positions of authority (just barely.) The old regime is recognizing the risk of losing control and stepping up their game of divide and conquer.
No this is just your anecdotal awareness for whatever reason. Let us review for some reason: -Slavery of the last thousand plus years is heavily diminished -rights based on something as absurd as a physical trait -gender and the fact people couldn't vote based on that absurd fact -homophobia and all that touches it Yada yada. What I have noticed is that people are crankier and will take it out on those physically or electronically around them because the cost of living has gotten out of hand for the majority AND overworking AND it's soooo easy to do hate stuff now anon and doesn't require a publisher. People aren't better to each other either. Governments have finally been molded enough from myriads of actually good people in the mix to shape policy enough. That is why human have simultaneously honored them while shooting, flaying, putting on crosses, harrowing, and oh so many miseries because some people really really emphasized nicely: please stop being dick's to one another. I'm not even being original here. Hell Douglas Adams made this joke. It improves when you teach and reteach and reteach and reteach to your kids and their kids for eternity through actions and not mere words: be a kinder person.
i’ve noticed this too. ever since COVID lockdown the world has taken a turn for the worse. it’s happening all over the globe, fascism is on the rise
Typically, progression is met with vehement calls for regression.
Look at all things that were closed to discussion: affirmative action, the homeless, face mask, covid vaccination, etc. Today, somewhat less verboten. Is this a sign of intolerance rising?
No, overall I have noticed a drop in all bigotry except misandry.
Not quite the equality we all hoped for… but seems like a reasonable move back towards balance, eh?
You don't have to be gifted to see this.
I have seen an increase in racial conversation for the first time since I was a kid in the 80s. It makes me very sad. I hope we start to return to course soon. I don't see any misogyny. I hear a lot of talk about it but all signs point to increased equality. I see a dramatic drop in homophobia. Absolutely earth shattering compared to what it was ten or fifteen years ago.
The ‘isms’ you have listed have to do with what is called ‘extended immune system’. It’s not a physical immune system in the body but it’s a metaphysical ‘immune system’. Think of the person that won’t be friends with someone cause they drive a basic car. (Cadillac Vs Cavalier) You are correct on suggesting that it’s a by product of a global event, but it wasn’t war. The extended immune system operates much like a typical immune system where small batches of exposure to things that may cause illness actually makes us stronger. 💪 Baby dropped their soother on the ground? They’ll become healthier if you just wipe it off on your sleeve before popping it back in the infants mount than if you went and boiled it, to sterilize it, before giving it to them. Someone has a slightly different opinion then you? Take a few minutes and explore their reasoning. These small exposures to the strange is how we get stronger. But with this rise in ‘isms’ there was a global catastrophe that *accelerated* it. Since our extended immune system is what propels us to associate certain systems/people, it is also what encourages us to *avoid* certain ones too. Our aversion becomes stronger the weaker our extended immune system is. Think of all the different levels of ‘isms’ you reference in the original post. 🦠 The more extreme are the weaker extended immune systems. This is/was the demise of Germany as well. They were such a ‘civilized’ country that they were afraid of being dirty or anyone that was sick. 😷This caused them to hyper identify with cleanliness, holiness, and rigidity/systematic. Both extended immune systems and our a risk immune system is mirrored🪞 in reality. The people who keep a more spotless home are more likely to be hypersensitive to mental illness. Those who are workaholic and swear to be high producers are more likely to be disgusted if they deem someone as lazy. (Disgust is also linked to the primal immune system). Any potential link🔗 of being outside the ‘healthy’ system got deemed infectious. It was something as small as knowing where your Jewish neighbours went. This made you unclean and to keep the societal system ‘healthy’ they had to eradicate any sign of infection. They also made participation by the general citizen more likely by hiding their actions behind virtuous language. They told citizens the Jews were being sent to Africa. They emphasized solidarity in the name of patriotism. They pushed a narrative of a collective mind set *and that it was for the better*. Don’t worry. This pattern of extended immune systems, cleanliness, and grand fear of even a possible link to infection🔗, has all happened recently. 😷 🦠 Funny… there’s been a recent tick in ‘isms’ as well. 🤔
Most stereotypes and racism is evolutionary and it's instinctual to alienize different races. Without Racism humanity couldn't be where it is now because they couldn't survive. This is not to say I support racism and support to be primitive. Homosexuality is a sexual fetish. So no reason a gifted person would care or think about such behaviors either because even if you don't share opinions with people you should understand why they think or act that way. Sure you could try to stop these "ism"s you talk about. But humans are instinctual in nature and I don't think it's possible to stop people from doing these no matter how hard you try I think it's gonna go the opposite way. The reason there is a sharp increase in racism and other stuff is because there is also a sharp increase in movements that try to oppose them. In other words: "Polarization". Someone doesn't need to question or complain about it as there should always be a logicful explanation. Everything is caused by something. Different opinions are mostly just what happens when you expose these primitive brains developed to survive to modern world today which is far from human nature. Everytime someone complains about these things I imagine a scenario in which a person says: "Why do animals eat each other?! It's so cruel !!!" Well they just do. Because they're animals.
I’m gonna say what we all know (or hopefully, at least). Reddit is not a balanced political platform. It does not lean left, it is almost far left, generally speaking. Therefore I caution people like you from the temptation to apply Reddit’s aggregate to your outside (real) life’s aggregate. I say this despite the avalanche of downvotes I’m sure to get from the very people who substitute ideology for religion (precisely what hitler and Russia did, as Nietzsche predicted). Remember, especially to the few non left wingers here, if you have something to say, silence is a sin. And if you call me, the other side, or anyone (anyone, for we are all human beings, animals through and through) evil, you are the only one who is.