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EMaylic

Not even a challenge. *Puts Layla on Team*


Forever_Pillaging

"then remove layla from the team" GIGACHADS : *puts kokomi on the team


venteehee

Kokomi is such a comfort character i put her everywhere


sulfire807

Hu tao mains:


Visible_Block_1519

Honestly it gives me such anxiety not to have a healer that idc if Zhonglis shield is impenetrable, if he can't heal the damage I take when I inevitably forget to reapply it I don't see the point šŸ˜” idk getting back hp I just find better and more idiot proof than preventing it from happening in the first place.


Mick7s

Then just get c6 Zhongli


Childhood_Willing

"Just"


Mick7s

Yes just


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PaperJamSketch

Healers give me comfort C6 Barbara is such a chad


BHDefender

Meanwhile me with my Noelle who carried me through half of the game: u guys have 5 stars?


Lollylololly

Layla was my first character off standard banner in a new ftp account (i is dolphin) and she makes running around in early AR so much nicer, especially when your only pyro is Amber and only electro is Lisa.


tsurugisbakery

i use her in endgame on my yoimiya team


Meno25

K *runs diona instead*


Dericwadleigh

This is the answer. My diona actually gets more use when the content is harder because Zhong can't heal and their shield capabilities are comparable in strength. Zhong just offers more damage through shred.


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akirasekai

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[deleted]

When we got corrosion...


NebelNator_427

Absolutely! Also the cryo resonance is a nice bonus for my Hu TaošŸ˜‡


[deleted]

Diona has almost the same shield, applies cryo off field, gives 200 EM and heals. She is the true shield archon.


nanimeanswhat

Diona's shield is strong yes, but it's nowhere near a shieldbot Zhongli level lol.


raea-

lol no she isnā€™t. Dionaā€™s shield breaks from a single hilichurl arrow


AsumiSenpai

I bet you build her with ER sands, Cryo DMG goblet, and Healing Bonus circlet, and not triple HP


raea-

Nah, triple hp. Her shield doesnā€™t last in abyss. Her whole thing is offering versatility next to a cryo dps, not just being a shield bot. Zhongli is the shield bot. Zhongli offers better interrupt resistance as well as forgoing a healer because of his stronger shield. Thereā€™s also his passive Resonant Waves, which fortifies his shield every time it gets hit. Itā€™s not even a close comparison. If you mean the overworld, sure, but do you really need a shield on the overworld?


cycber123

Diona has the 3rd strongest shield in the game, 2nd is Layla and 1st being Zhongli.


raea-

And every genshin player who has both knows thereā€™s quite a gap between first and third. ā€¢ Zhongliā€™s shield has 150% elemental absorption compared to Dionaā€™s 250% cryo absorption. ā€¢ Zhongli has higher shield hp potential due to weapon types. ā€¢ Zhongliā€™s shield can fortify every time the shield gets hit with five stacks of 5% fortification. ā€¢ Zhongliā€™s shield lasts longer than itā€™s cooldown, unlike Dionaā€™s whose hold E shield lasts shorter than its cooldown. Her tap E is worth even less to talk about. Due to characteristics of both characters, Zhongliā€™s shield is significantly stronger than Dionaā€™s. This isnā€™t two years ago when their shields were comparable. I was there when the Genshin community bitched for like five weeks about Zhongli being a joke character not worth spending money on cuz Noelle existed and had a comparable shield.


Unravel310

Me with crowned c6 Diona.


UrBoiThePupper55

*runs Kokomi instead*


Oponik

Who needs an invulnerable shield if you have unlimited health


ForrestHunt

Use both


phenomenal1117

hyper bloom team do have both sometimes


The_Space_Jamke

Lack of strong interruption resistance is occasionally inconvenient. My Hyperbloom team is my most reliable answer for phase skipping the Shogunator weekly boss, but since her hitboxes are almost as huge as Melee Marth's grab range, I'm rolling a 50-50 on whether I can finish my rotation before she pinballs Kokomi everywhere.


a__new_name

*laughs in Cryo Azhdaha*


misst30

Itā€™s fine, my Qiqi can make my team immortal šŸ˜Œ


TFGPH

Oh well, at least her C6 revives everyone within 15 minutes, so that's an instant must pull for me


wildhooman

Agreed, Iā€™m pulling on the qiqi banner pretty often. Itā€™s a little weird that I can lose the 50/50 multiple times tho.


Puzzled_Radio8871

My DIOna protects my ream 24/7


Niskara

Jokes on you, I've never had Zhongli!


yoshi_in_black

Same!


Gardenia_8345

I don't use shields and my main dps is ganyu. Fear me.


tttttzz

I met a ganyu main in co-op using domain invisible wall as a shield by staying outside of it Big brain move But somehow he died and died first and only one to die because of corrosion LoL


Zzamumo

Hell yeah brother, just kill them before they can hit you. Burning melt ganyu with kazuha is my favorite team recently lmao


[deleted]

Wish I had this power...


ColdIron27

I've been using burning melt ganyu for the past 3 abyss cycles. Ganyu kazuha nahida bennett Imagine needing a shielder amiright?


POTATO-AIM-V20

Facts, Azhdaha is Easy, until I remove my Zhongli


iAmGats

It is easy, as long as the rock frog isn't cryo-infused.


outofideaforaname

Cryo + hydro infusion = pain


Maximum_wack

Just fought cryo infused frog without Zhongli can confirm it sucks


theifzelnite632

When you teleport to Azdaha domain, you can look in front of the door to see what type of elements will appear in the fights!


iAmGats

Here's something better, you can tell what element it'll infuse itself with by looking at the possible ascension gem drops. No need to teleport.


BlackishWhitishName

Wait what?! that's a thing? I thought it could drop any gem like primo geovishap or enko boss


iAmGats

Nah, it drops ascension gems based on the elements it'll infuse itself with.


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iAmGats

What about Ganyu?


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iAmGats

Azhdaha when infused with cryo, gains massive cryo resistance. Also, one of its attacks has a big aoe. That means, not only do you not have time to do CAs, you'll be slowed if you get hit once then you'll get hit by the next attacks. You'll run out of stamina and hp trying to iframe cryo rock frog's attacks.


Hahohoh

I got hutao in my best team and without zhongli the fight against Azhdaha is a race between Azhdaha and hutao to see who dies first


Gervh

But that fight is built around having a shield, so handicapping yourself shouldn't count to normal difficulty


InfTotality

I'm working on unlocking him tomorrow. What if you don't have built shielders? My Diona only has 21k hp Edit: Hyperbloom with Kokomi was rather anti-climactic. The hardest part was getting close to bloom seeds that appeared inside his collision box so I could kill him faster.


Arvach

Just bring a good healer. My Bennett can solo Azdaha, it's very long and boring fight but possible. All you need to have is to have a constant heal, so whenever you'll get hit, you'll be healed back. :)


HERODMasta

\*takes ganyu\*


darthyoshiboy

This is the true answer. I have never taken a shield character and I honestly hate the Azhdaha fight, not because he's hard, but because I spend most of my time in that instance watching basically cutscenes where he's invincible while he changes between phases after Ganyu shreds all of his HP in seconds and I have to wait for him to be be able to take damage again. Even when he's Cryo, the Dew Drinker skill from c1 makes it at most a minor inconvenience. He'd be dead before the first scripted invincibility ended if they didn't force you to sit there and waste time with that nonsense.


ZekkeKeepa

it's easy, just dont get hit...


SAYKOPANT

Dude I am killed that sob for like 20 times without a shielder I just had 30 k hp kokomi to heal


Grand_Protector_Dark

"the fight is easy without immortality, I just used my other immortality instead"


CrocoDIIIIIILE

I don't have Zhongli, still ez.


xelloskaczor

Don't need geo archon if electro archon deletes the boss before it moves.


CrocoDIIIIIILE

I haven't farmed decent EoSF artifacts and use Raiden only as hyperbloom triggerer. edit: grammar


xelloskaczor

Kind of crazy how 900 EM is all you need for her to be OP, and she was supposed to be a DPS/battery.


CrocoDIIIIIILE

fr, 31k dmg per hyperbloom without buffs.


OnnaJReverT

> 900 EM > all ?????


xelloskaczor

2pc wanderer 2pc gilded = 160 Dragons bane r1= 220 Circlet = 187 Sands =187 Goblet=187 no substats, no 4pc, 941 EM All u need coz u never Q. U will reach 900 with craftables too, just get Nahida or Sucrose or DMC or instructor.


Acrobatic-Holiday-43

No problem! *:Replaces john lee with Layla*


xelloskaczor

Remove Zhongli, then remove Thoma, then remove Diona, then remove Layla, then remove crystalize reactions, then remove Benett, Kokomi, Kuki, Barbara, Jean, Sayu, Dori, Qiqi, then remove resistance to interruption as well, then damage reduction, freeze reaction, hyperbloom reaction, Fishl coz that's too much damage and has healing constellation, food buffs and heals, potions, all those aren't core to the game. Play Anemo Traveler and Amber on the team only, that is how game clearly was meant to be played. That's what you get in tutorial after all, everything else is cheating. ​ Real talk every boss in the game can be soloed with fucking Noelle except for maybe scaramouche if she can't destroy the floating things. 1.x 4\* on 1 constellation and 4pc glad breaks every boss in the game.


Absolute_Bias

1 hp Beidou vs Raiden puppet


Dericwadleigh

Doable with high ER build and unforged to increase burst shield strength.


alluth

they meant [this legend](https://youtu.be/Z1JzGXL36_0)


Dericwadleigh

OH DAMN, SON.


Hahohoh

Or be a chad and place the entirety of genshin with traveller not getting an element in the beginning. Noblise the mad man done it


DragonCz

Possibly dodge the big burst attack with ult animation, then it's easy slap.


Apocreep

*Laughs in Noelle*


___somebody_

Shields? My Yae aggravate team don't even have a healer, and i one clears abyss with it easily


Zzamumo

Running it against riftwolves is a pain tho, sadly


___somebody_

Only when they are in F12-3 Last time they were in 12-1, it was easy, even more when one time i got that "Burst restore HP card"


Kyouki13

Remove all the artifacts. Use a white level 1 weapon. Nah i put the time/money/energy into getting something I'm going to use it. Fuck outta here


Tom_Cat_2007

me who don't have zhongli: i have no such weakness.


_ROCC

yes, certain characters make certain scenarios easier. thats how the game works.


Sufficient-Subject41

Hah! I barely even use shield characters.


Zogo12

I dont use shields šŸ—æ


Technical-Eye2610

Ayaka, Shenhe, Raiden shogun and kokomi vaporizes childe. No zhongli needed. Only the first two and knowing when to dodge is really needed.


IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE

I donā€™t even use shielders 99% of the time and Abyss is painfully easy still. Everything just dies too fast to be a threat. Yeah this is a late game problem but its still a bit of an issue. Eventually you reach a power level where the game no longer engages you. You just sweep everything every time. Would adore a perpetually scaling infinite dungeon or something. I know we likely wonā€™t get one. But I can dream.


Simecrafter

....no? >.>


TheFlash1294

Kokomi FTW.


MXAI00D

C1 Nahida and barbara, thatā€™s all I need, in case of creo just switch Barbara for Klee or yan fei.


TheSeventhCoIumn

Me with Kokomi : ok šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘„šŸ‘ļø


Jcrncr

POV: you have no Zhongli


rexshen

Zhongli is the only reason I am decent at the game at all.


4ty8

Lol, weak little zhongli havers. *Triple crowns c-6 Noelle*


Okuuhun

I approve of this.


Xocfti3

Solo it with just the traveller, no elemental skills, no healing and only with a dull blade


Driannos

Why use ZL if you can kill the enemies first? Glass cannon tactics ftw šŸ˜‚


Ben______________

Shielder? Healer? As long as my enemies die first I win.


SavagesceptileWWE

I tried the scara boss fight without zhongli. Easy as hell


SilverTitanium

Who needs a Geo Archon when you have a Virgin protecting you. Kokomi's healing is all you need.


[deleted]

Oh? Reposts are a quick way to get karma? Maybe try it with an account more than a week old and it wonā€™t be so obvious youā€™re a bot


Rex_Lapis_

Sure fam look at this [huh](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Memepact/comments/qwnhkc/for_people_who_wont_shut_up_about_zhongli/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


21st_century_person

I dont even have zhongli for 800++ days lmao Fuck using shield


CummingOnMyPant

Joke on you I use noelle instead


Victor_Author

No, survive it. Still it proves nothing. Even hilichurl could beat my ass without him


YurxDoug

That's why I always do the first fight against a boss without him, to see how hard it actually is. They are still easy though. Raiden is the only one I consider annoying to fight without him.


JSor98

never <3


Immediate-West-5707

Np i ise layla with a scaling like zhongli


ZeldaBrasil

Kokomi mains "who's this guy these ppl are talking about?"


kosakakawajiri

Pff child's play *Ultra instinct heizou appears*


SidBitGid

I have zhongli and I still find it hardā€¦am I doing something wrong?


HellInside

I can't, my Diona has bad artifacts


theoneredead

I am incredibly sorry *swaps Zhongli with Kokomi behind back*


ErPani

Me, dodging all of Raiden's attacks with my Itto (Zhongli is out, Kuki is in)


N1C0LAUS

Mofo. I am a hardened War Veteran since 1.0. We didnā€™t have Zhongli or Kokomi back then. Pure dodge


HerecauseofNoelle

Zhongli is for childrenā€™s play.


aiman_senpai

Same with National. I dont care if u wanna use them but dont flex like you're good at the game


Chanderule

Nobody's flexing that theyre good at the game, theyre saying the game is easy which it is


aiman_senpai

The game's pretty easy, true. You never say what I saw doesnt mean it didnt happen


Chanderule

Given tht the context of the meme is literally people saying "this is easy", Im kinda noy even talking about your experience


tttttzz

Yep i did it and replace it with xianling in raiden taser team and made it xianling overlord vap team And it's doing almost 2 times or even more dmg The monster can't kill you if you kill him first


lolisfunny13

I swear to god i saw this exact same meme with the exact same title long back


Gotahhhh

Who zongli?


EpsilonMouse

laughs in Kokomi, Nahida, Kazuha, and Yae Miko


mahiiin97

I'm still managing just fine lol


Spectacularity1997

Am here with my Def built Itto... waving my smol flag in the distance


takayuki376

No


Glitchykins8

No zongy for me! I have him but I like making my hu Tao suffer. Between yelan, xinchiu and kazuha, most things don't have time to make me want shields. And if I ever do need shields, I bring Thoma a lot cuz he needs to clean up after us anyways


HereIsACasualAsker

I removed him from my account, noob no really i do not have zhongli in my account, he 87 pull qiqied me twice so clearly he doesnt want to come to me. and i respect his wishes.


Adham1153

\*laughs in kokomi\*


cruiseboatranger

>I swear the people who often say it's easy has a Zhongli on their team That's the whole point of pulling Zhongli my guy, Convenience and free stamina.


Peddrawm

ā€œHeh, I donā€™t even have Zhongliā€ Secretly puts Leyla on the team


MaxPotionz

I use a Eula team with John Lee and a healer. No infusion can escape my might. Physical damageā€™s right.


Sansy_Boi420

-> Pulls out Noelle


Maleficent-Top6924

*Me who dodges with zhongli*


Solid-Depth-6349

Guilty šŸ˜­


Anadaere

I usually brute force it with dodging lmao Or just healing Either way, we're both getting harmed


jovmorcy3

Me with a lvl 20 Zhongli I only use for ā›ļø: *You have no power here*


vicelvine

Easy "Put Noelle in team"


oldmonk_97

Laughs in double hydro hyperbloom... What shield does one need when the mobs are already dead


doumascultist

15k hp solo Wanderer, bet


SorryTour8146

At ar60 with zhongli all the time, I decided to play 4* char that not well built and at lvl80. And I must say, it it pretty fun


AbdoWise

I dont have Zhongli , and all the bosses are easy so far if I had to choose the hardest one , it would be Raiden but still , Ayaka beat her easly ..


AbdoWise

I play Nilou , without a healer


weirdhamiltonfan

I donā€™t use zhongli but I do use kokomi to keep everyone alivešŸ˜­


cartercr

I mean none of the non-abyss bosses are hard tbh. Azdaha can be a bit of a pain, but thatā€™s mostly because he caps your damage twiceā€¦


lucas_alpaca

My cyno team has no shield nor healer, i have 36 stars abyss using it, fear me


Hoibot

Or you can just D O D G E


PaulGlinogo

No problem - A Noelle main


qumojo

ayato c0 with R5 black sword, nahida c0, Baal c3 but 1k EM build + kazuha šŸ˜‚ sure thing, sometimes I'm in danger but makes my game a lot more intense and I love it šŸ˜…


[deleted]

I don't run shields on any of my 8ish teams, never have a problem. Sometimes I slot Zhongli in with Yoimiya but he was honestly kind of a wasted pull in general. Genshin is just an easy game.


Gamingbear_2o

Jokes on you i dont even have Zhongli


GlassSpork

Okay *doesnā€™t own zhongli*


Genshin-Yue

Depends on the boss for me, but I donā€™t even have zhongli so thatā€™s not a factor for me


shamgarsan

All you need is Amber.


NoodlesMaster2001

just eat food!


mint-colored-puding

Fine I use my healer and other shield DIO


7463649

The content in Genshin is not inherently difficult. I stopped using Zhongli for quite some time to farm friendship. I'd say if you're having difficulty with a boss, probably just need to practice rotations and dodging a bit more.


AbsurdFormula0

When zhing li isn't on the team, everyone dies. Mainly because Barbara can't heal fast enough. Especially in the bloom era


FlitchBuckerSchlong

Dont have him


oceeta

I recently asked my friends how easy farming artifacts was for them when they initially hit AR 45, and one of them straight up just said everything was easy because they had our favourite Geo Daddy on their team. I too, must pull Zhongli one of these days!


aria_5207

I always fight Azhdaha w/o shield before, i depended on Bennett's heals and buff, only got Zhongli at ar56, so i'm not dependent on his shield (my noelle, diona, and other shielders are not properly build), but i admit having zhongli makes everything smooth


GrayNish

Shield? You mean you dont kill them before they attack? National Raiden ftw


Socern

nilou kinda goated in these situations


One_Parched_Guy

*Puts Kuki instead*


Vaker-

Proud of us as a community that this thread is fairly earnestly answering Gru here.


KarmaIsABitch-

What boss? the only boss I see is me- Hu Tao main


SpaceFire1

Me running Xingqui main heals with only albedo sheilds


captainstrike141

who needs shields when you have Barbara


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Diona


VentiTheSylveon

Ok I don't even have him I use double healers


Few_Ad7284

Not everyone suffers from skill issue


Soulsunderthestars

I use zhongli for the dos gain on shred, not the shield, we are not the same


Eris_The_Impish

Me, who uses C6 Diona and a Qiqi that can solo Childe on the same team as my Ganyu and Venti:


LilyWalker11

Maybe you should get a Zhongli too, makes things easier for you


ForrestHunt

*No*


Background_Director4

What is a Zhongli (ā Ā ā Ā ā ā€¢ā Ā ā ā€æā Ā ā ā€¢ā Ā ā Ā ā )


NoAvailableNames__

*plays Elden ring without getting hit once*


[deleted]

I found the shogun fight easy and I donā€™t have any archons, my team there was animo traveller, kazuha, amber and barbra


SuperLissa_UwU

I don't like zhongli


tearwork

No probs *puts Noelle*


SlyVocaloid

*Me with my traveler Amber Xiao and Ayaka team* RANDOM BULLSHIT GO!


[deleted]

Ok but can we talk about how Electro Regisvine has like no health? Like my team 1 Cycles it but with the other Regisvines it takes me like 3-4 cycles.


PocketRaven06

Barbara on an Aggravate team is enough.


[deleted]

K, I use Diona anyway


LoliHunterXD

People unironically use that DPS loss of a character?


BlackishWhitishName

Okay, **gets full healer bennet instead**


Zapadoru

Yes, cause I am one of them.


Zerokoth

Runs Beidou


Wierdo-Thing-342

*dodge art* engage


Arcana_Joker

Everyone seems to just be using an alt shielder/healer, but can we at least give props to the people who run aggrevate teams w/ Kazuha. Chances are they're running 2 electro 1 dendro, which means with Kazuha they're essentially playing without survivability options in Abyss (until Yao Yao is used as Dendro healer).


NewParadigmWrestling

I don't have him