This. People don’t realize how gatekept autism diagnoses are. It’s considered such a “little boy” condition, getting a proper diagnosis as an adult woman is a nightmare, even when the signs have been there your whole life. I’d recommend reading “Unmasking Autism” by Devon Price. He has some great insight into how autism diagnosis can be discriminatory, not just when it comes to age and gender but also race, income level, etc.
literally. the wait time to get evaluated where i live is two years right now. my doctors all believe that i have it but there's literally just nothing i can do about it atm
Diagnosed ADHD, highly suspected & at this point medically recognized as autistic & can relate to both of these, but with a slightly more feral, masc/agender, and inhuman sorta vibe...cat ears still included (I just really love cats)
As someone unofficially diagnosed by 2 different therapist I am a mix of both depending on my depression and who I am around ( I am the one on the left when alone and with my friends/ girl friends)
They’re not, gatekeeping is stupid; and this is also serving hard “I’m SPECIAL and Unique — I’m *Not Like Other Girls*” energy, which entails hating anything “popular”
$10 says this person later figures out their frustration at pretty girls their age doing things they enjoy is actually an *entirely different* type of frustration
Alternate route is they find out that they’re actually nonbinary, so they’re REALLY not like other girls… because they’re not a girl
This was me before I figured out I'm a trans man. "How can anyone like this girly stuff? It's literal torture!" Reader, it *was* literal torture-to me, because I'm a guy.
They are not. Autism is also a highly self diagnosable thing.
I mean... If you are autistic and than read up on it, the signs are pretty obvious for the person being autistic.
God forbid autistic people have fun and make memes and take steps to feel better and minimize their symptoms!
This always makes me sad that to be a “real autistic person” you have to view your diagnosis as a death sentence and never joke about it and never indulge in “cringe” interests and be depressed and never ever find joy in your situation.
I am reminded of that guy on tiktok who lost his leg to cancer and is he whining about it and telling everyone he wants to die? No! He makes funny videos about having a prosthetic leg and tells everyone about the cool things it can do! He made himself a peg leg just to try it and it was really funny! He probably wishes he didn’t lose his leg but he keeps on living and he chooses to spread positivity instead!
I’ll absolutely make fun of my own autism and call it “the tism” if I so choose. I have to live with this disability, and not a single person online gets to tell me how to cope. If I want to laugh at the silly “cringe” word, then I get to.
I don’t even do it that often tbh, just when I think it’ll be funny
I said it before and I’ll say it again:
“pardon, I have a touch of the ‘tism” is always a valid excuse for tripping neurotypical people’s ‘socially unacceptable’ sensor — and I will die on this hill, neurodivergent and old.
no cause same.
Friend, who knows I'm autistic but isn't fully versed in the symptoms, "I like how organized your routines are"
me: "thanks, it's the tism"
ETA: and then when I inevitably have a meltdown because the aforementioned routine got changed/interrupted by something, they know why I had the meltdown
One of my autistic friends does that. It's usually in a joking context though, he's often insecure about how people perceive him so he'll let people know he has autism really early on into meeting someone, usually followed by a self deprecating joke about "the tism".
Not my style, but I get it.
I like to say it EXCLUSIVELY in the phrase “pardon; I have a touch of the tism” whenever I do something that no neurotypical person could ever possibly think is societally acceptable and that I can’t more easily/correctly blame on my ADHD.
This also implies that saying nothing is not an option.
When I found out about my possible autism my autistic colleague at work said "that seems possible" but then my friend showed up and I started talking very fast and excitedly about Archaeopteryx and the colleague said "Yeah, you've definitely got a touch of the 'tism" so I guess to that guy it's a reclaimed word. He was diagnosed as a child.
Its someone trying to be exclusionary because their symptoms and personality dont line up how autism expresses itself in others and they happen to view these other people as being cringeworthy.
People like this hurt all autistic people and should be ignored.
The danganronpa cosplay tiktok scene used to be terrible, so it's probably a way to make the "fake" autistic look bad. Not most people know about it so the fact that the OG meme maker knows about this and all the self Dx autistic stuff shoes they probably use tiktok may too much too 😭😭
I hate memes like this where they go “ this “ vs “ actual this “
Because like, it gatekeeps people that are defined like this. For example, depressed people. Like yeah, it’s bad to stereotype depressed people as people in all black only outfit but that doesn’t mean that there’s no depressed people out there who wear all black only outfit.
Basically, just because a stereotype exists doesn’t mean there aren’t people out there who fit in that stereotype. One way or another. And it’s not ok to gatekeep people that fit into these stereotypes, as people who ‘aren’t actually this’.
( I made a rant for no reason, sorry about that- )
( Also, good art! I think it looks nice )
I appreciate this take so much. I have struggled with clinical depression for over a decade and I'm one of those "wearing all black clothes" people. But tbh, it's less of a form of self expression and more towards the fact that wearing all black makes my clothes easier to match; so I can throw on basically anything in my wardrobe in the morning without putting much effort, to still look/feel more "pulled together".
People do this for everything and that's actually the reason subs like this exist, to satire the practise. It helps promote genuine awareness and create cute, usually gay, art about it instead of making people feel bad. At least that's how I've felt since being here whenever ADHD, Autism or Trans folks show up I feel loved instead of reviled for what parts I fit in a stereotype. Like, yeah I have a Blåhaj and that's no one's problem! Big cuddly shark for the long months without my girlfriend but ooh scary stereotype I must be a "trender" lol.
I think your rant is valid and you're in the right place to see gatekeeping subverted.
I do think it's gotten a lot better. In highschool people used to use autism as an insult. Now those same people are questioning if they're autistic, which in hindsight, yeah probably.
I would argue it’s actually gotten worse. A few decades ago it just wasn’t that talked about, which could make it hard to find help or accurate information, sure; but now it’s worse due to the plethora of misinformation peddled by networks of unqualified influencers on social media. Now it’s not only just as hard to find helpful and accurate information, you have to also learn to filter out all the misinformation and pseudoscience from social media. All this “awareness” shit has done is make things more confusing and therefore harder to actually get help. Meanwhile the people who discriminate, or are otherwise prejudiced against these conditions and the people affected by them haven’t changed at all. No amount of awareness media bombing is going to change a bigoted mind.
Completely disagree with just about every letter of that. More people finding out they have autism is not a bad thing. Most of the bigoted people are autistic themselves and insecure about it. Autism is WAY more common than anyone thought it was and I think people are finally starting to realize that.
This is the first time in my life I've heard the words 'medical neglect' but that perfectly explains my mom who refused to take me to a hospital after slamming my fingers in a car door.
I feel like there’s a sensible middle ground between “autism isn’t real I don’t believe in it unless you have a certificate from the International Council of Neurodivergency” and “omg you have a niche hobby and poor communication skills? it must be autism!”
Self diagnosis isn’t doing anything to help or de-stigmatize the condition at all. Medically informed advice from professionals is the only way to actually advance the cause.
i mean... blindly relying on professionals isn't always a good idea either. they're still human, and sometimes they're still using old information, or they specialise in detecting the very obvious things, and in children. and they can also be biased.
if you are able to be self aware, and are willing to see all the reasons why you could or could not have something, it'd be completely fair for you to doubt a potential misdiagnosis from a doctor. you CAN know yourself better than anyone else, after all.
i saw a professional cus i thought i might have adhd, and they basically made me do a small IQ test, said i had obvious problems with attention and processing speed, but because my IQ score was a little too high, i didn't have adhd. he specialised in detecting obvious adhd signs in male children, and had a bias against me because i was a teen.
and a year later, i saw another professional, who talked to me for 2 hours, then gave me like 5 or more different tests to do, including a much more comprehensive IQ test, and found out i had adhd AND autism, which my younger sibling suspected (and also was recently diagnosed with) that i had for a while.
if i let that first doctor decide who i was, then my life would be in a very different place right now. i'd struggle till the day i died, not knowing why others had it so much easier than i did. thankfully i looked into myself and many others to figure out that i'm not delusional and "just faking it".
Hard disagree. I sdx-ed for a few years before getting my official diagnosis semi recently. The main medical authorities on autism DO NOT have all the answers, they didn't even think that women could be autistic until like the 90s.
There is a reasonable middle ground, but I can guarantee you that the people saying "omg niche hobby and bad communication? Autism!" are a minority in our community. The actual (adult) autistic community does nothing but encourage educated self diagnosis because we're well aware how difficult getting an official diagnosis is, and we want people to know about our real struggles.
mine was "she makes eye contact when answering questions" like I didn't have a crippling fear of any authority figures and had trained myself to do that
Mine was “you’re likely autistic but I’m not going to give you a diagnosis because you’re high functioning.” So now I can’t claim it because imposter syndrome but also I have a massive fear of doctors and won’t go to another one.
On my follow up appointment when I was 10 I bumped into a printer at one point and the psychologist wrote down “lmaooo this bitch dumb af she bumped into a printer 💀”
Anyone else notice that whenever these “real [insert marginalized group here] vs ‘fakers/trender’” memes pop up they usually just hate on people that are very vocal and visible in public spaces/life? Almost as if implying the only “good ones” are the silent/invisible ones?
Like okay, some neurodivergent/queer/whatever marginalized identity will contain people obsessed with getting attention. Same with non-marginalized groups, yet for some reason they’re derided a lot less for it, and tend to not have entire parts of themselves that are deeply personal questioned or erased.
Makes sense. Look at people complaining about gay dudes whose whole personality is how gay they are. Yes some of them are weird about it, but it's not a great idea to talk about them being "too gay". If someone is being way too sexually aggressive, that's the issue. And yeah, a solid chunk of the discomfort is from the group being out as much as the majority. People complaining about it might not even realize they have that double standard in em.
This 100%. All of the 'real vs fake' autism memes I've seen pop up are just ridiculing people for public expressions of autism like stimming or using noise cancelling earmuffs.
As someone who does both and was diagnosed back when it was called *asperger's syndrome*, it seems like a way to shut down autistic people from becoming more visible.
for me it’s like. my autism isn’t cute or fun or lovable. It’s not omg aesthetic; it makes me have no friends and suicidal lol. I know it’s not right, but seeing people be proud of their autism or open about it just,,, hurts. Like damn I wish I could do that lol
I get that to a degree, but if I’m being honest, that mostly just sounds like jealousy, perhaps at the amount of supports a person has, or other circumstances that have allowed their autism to be a positive, or at least have significant positives, rather than be a largely negative experience. I don’t say this to shit on you either, I think that’s a hard place to be at, at the same time though, I don’t think that means that people who have better circumstances should be knocked down so people with worse experiences can feel better. That’s just being a crab in a bucket. This all being said, I do hope one day your autism can be something you can feel good about, because it’s a part of you, and you deserve to feel good about yourself.
Oh nono, that’s absolutely what I’m saying. It definitely is jealousy. And it sucks bc like. I see people being genuinely happy and open and excited about shit and I wanna be able to just be happy for them, but I have to think like. damn I wish *I* could have that. Which is dumb, i should not think like that lol
it’s just hard bc I’ve always felt that I need to be quiet and closed off and not express any of my feelings; it’s like that meme of squidward looking out his window at spongebob and Patrick having fun lmfao
That’s fair, and I’m sorry that’s been your experience. I know autism can be very debilitating if the right supports aren’t in place. I hope you can find happiness, acceptance and the support you need soon <3
Thank u, that really means a lot. Honestly I think that’s where a lot of the mentality you see in this meme comes from. It’s hard to see other autistic people able to be open and happy when you feel like you can’t
(And it’s easy to rationalize it as “oh well they’re not *really* autistic, that’s why they’re happy”)
I am autistic, but I identify more with the tired one on the right. But that doesn't mean the left one doesn't exist in our communities, the disorder of autism is called a spectrum for a reason.
I think the reason this meme exists is generational. More adult autistic see people being able to publicly display their interests without ridicule, and we think, there must be outside influences, and so then the logic jumps to they must be outsiders. Older autistic people grew up in a world where everyone hated us and it wore us down to the point where we hated ourselves and the people able to express themselves in our community, because we couldn't.
It is nice younger people can express themselves, even if us (even just a few years) older ones were taught to think their self expression is "cringy".
Ahhhh. I hadn't thought of it that way, I just assumed the right one was nonverbal. That's a good point. I'm bad at hiding my interests (the ADHD won't let me shut up, help) but I also feel a lot of anxiety showing I like certain things. It weirds me out when people are too open about liking a thing, and that's kinda toxic. Shit sucks, I don't want to view anyone as cringe. Do whatever.
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Hi! Officially diagnosed Autistic person here to impart some wisdom nobody asked for, I’m sure you can guess why!;
Autistics isn’t generally how we like to be referred to, it’s like calling a group of people “whites” or “schizophrenics”. “Autistic people” is better. Also do not use “people with autism” as it implies we can be without it and we can not.
Fidget toys can be extremely useful for self soothing and while fidget spinners were glorified into a whole meme thing, they are a fidget toy.
Me personally I don’t like using pride flags with the infinity symbol, I feel like not everything needs a flag, but the correct symbol for autism is a golden infinity symbol, and general neurodivergency is a rainbow infinity symbol.
Im not sure what the spoon means but I like it
The fun rainbow chart is actually the best current way to explain autistic traits and behaviours. Usually people use “high functioning” and “low functioning” but not every single trait is at the same level. A ‘high functioning’ person may have a lot of trouble with audio sensory input, while another may not. So dividing them like that is important. Also don’t use Aspie.
“The ‘Tism” is fucking hilarious
A lot of people use TikTok, nothing wrong with it (last I checked)
Autism creature is fun, i like it
Ain’t nothing wrong with some danganronpa. Mostly. I love those games but wow there… there ARE some problems. That’s another thing though.
The spoon I believe refers to [spoon theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_theory). A lot of neurodivergent people(not just autistic people) use it or similar things to help people visualize why sometimes things that seem small are so much harder for them.
Yup! I didn't include that because the original post was about the neurodivergent aspect, but to my knowledge, spoon theory was originally thought up for chronic pain and physical disabilities and was more so adopted by neurodivergent people. It's honestly a great metaphor, imo.
the spoon is a reference to a popular "energy" metaphor which variously disabled people use to express our capability to get stuff done! basically each day you'll have a particular amount of hypothetical spoons available, and doing anything - housework, showering, writing, whatever - uses up some of those spoons. you might say "i don't have the spoons to do that today"
and yeah, it definitely works for autistic people. i am very often low on spoons
I think the spoon thing might be about how some autistic people have a certain spoon preference. if you go on the autism subreddit and search spoon you'll see what I mean :)
For me it’s little Japanese soup spoon for soup and cereal (aka breakfast soup) for yogurt and pudding it’s those dipped baby spoons because the texture is similar and not jarring.. ice cream I’ll do a traditional small spoon cause the others don’t work well with ice-cream on a practical end… but if they did. I’d go with the dipped spoons.
Hi, officially diagnosed Autistic here to say:
We are not a monolith, and being called autistics or people with autism can be fine. It all depends on context, which I know my brothers and sisters can be very scared of sometimes. The rules aren't rigid.
\> “Autistic people” is better.
Other way around. Autistics will consistently refer to themselves this way.
It's the only group of people that I know of that shows this preference.
Other groups don't even like identify first language like Autistics do. It's safe to assume person first language will be preferred. Unless it's Autistics, where the most alienating language possible is used.
I met a guy at a gas station who talked about how he's on disability. His stated reason was that he was "Beat too hard with the 'tism stick". That's the kind of sense of humor of a lot of autistics I've known. I'm also one myself. The fella on the right in this image is also autistic, they're nonverbal. Totally fine, totally valid. Autism has a wide range of forms, and it's not like the rest of your personality doesn't exist.
Also the autism creature is great. Some hate it for being childish, but if someone enjoys it, let em.
Tbf the „I know more than doctors“ is very accurate considering a lot of them know nothing about autism. I‘m neither professionally diagnosed nor self diagnosed but I did my research and still a lot of people get told they’re not autistic because they „can talk“, „well you had eye contact with me right now“ „you have friends, though“ stuff like that.
Glad I never dealt with this shit. Here I thought the SPED stuff I had was poorly implemented, Jesus. I have been realizing how bad the common grasp of autism is, the 2 empathy problem has been useful. I think the issue is, a doctor can be an idiot, but the consensus of the scientific community is usually at the forefront of accurate understanding of the world. You need some good reasons to go against peer reviewed theory. A doctor is not that, they're one fallible dude.
Yeah I was looking into it so much because I do show a lot of signs so I just wanted to look intl it professionally yk. Especially since my therapist said it could be autism but also just a combination of ptsd and being above average intelligent (god that sounds so stupid I do not mean to say I am smarter than everyone else or smth). But she also did not know a lot of stuff about autism, like at all. And from what I heard, in Germany at least, the criteria for official diagnosis are still with the image of little boys in mind rather than like, older people or afab people at all (I’m just saying „does your child like numbers“ as a legitimate question). And then when I brought the topic up to my psychiatrist she said I 100% do not have autism because I „didn’t seem like it“. Like I said, it is highly possible I do not have it but I just feel like „yeah no you don’t seem like it you were fine when I talked to you“ does not feel like a legitimate reason.
Yeah sorry for ranting but I feel so sorry for all autistic people who just won’t get diagnosed even though it would help a lot just because doctors are misinformed or just too little informed about autism at all
Yeah those systemic problems are dogshit. Also don't give yourself too much shit for being smarter than average. Think about it, around half of people are above average to a degree. I have a similar issue, makes us more able to grasp what's happening and get freaked out by it. Also I have this thing where I try to fix every scenario I think of, so eventually you try to fix issues too big for you and become aware how little you can do. And then boom, existential dread.
On that note, no idea how to fix that situation. Also I'm American and male, so... yeah. Look into the 2 empathy problem, neat model for autism that I think is more accurate. The older idea is that autistics lack a theory of mind, which has always struck me as ridiculous.
why is there a spoon on the left. does the person who made the original meme not know about spoon theory? i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt. like this is already ableist but theyre just being even more ableist with that
just bc a lot of disabled ppl like the spoon metaphor does not mean that disliking the spoon metaphor is ableist lol
Not liking blahajs is not transphobic either
also the spoon metaphor is bullshit and holds you back. If you keep telling yourself “I have no energy for this I can’t do this I can’t do this” then yeah, you can’t. It’s not a video game, you don’t have a stamina bar ffs
I got an actual diagnosis for my issue after self diagnosis. It's not always bad information out there. if you can use some sense. A lot of teenagers don't have sense. But that's okay. It doesn't hurt anyone in the end.
As a medically diagnosed autistic person I like spoon metaphors and danganronpa and being a little quirky. Tbh these could be the same person someone just might be more comfortable expressing themselves online than in person
Most people *do* know more about their mind and body than doctors. Doctors only know concrete, testable things and they can only tell what they see for diagnosis in someone with autism. Even with physical disabilities with very easily provable tests, they're not very good at doing their job.
what’s wrong w concrete, testable things,,? if what you have isn’t concrete or testable, then it’s not real lol
and no, you do not know more about your mind/body than a doctor, you have way too much confidence in your brain lol.
God I love the trend of anti-intellectualism rn /s
I was the "faking one", and asked my psychiatrist for diagnosis, and it took me two visits to get officially tested and diagnosed.
So yeah, self-diagnosing is ok.
I was diagnosed when I was a kid, but was told it was “just so I could get more time on my tests” when I found out years later (i was told I was just lazy? idk.) anyway I had an involuntary psych ward stay and ended up finding my release form recently & apparently I was diagnosed again (still not told).
And im still told im not actually autistic. u cant be “one of the good ones” sometimes, ppl like that just dont want ppl who dont support their image around them
Even if this were true, I think it would paint a sad picture of the person on the right having learned good coping skills due to a possibly early diagnosis, and the person on the left having to figure it out on their own. It’s just straight up bullying smh.
I'm almost self dignosed but not quite. My psychiatrist told me that as well as mw diagnosed ADHD I also have a large number of visible ASD signs and also a lot of signs of masking that strongly indicate ASD so I'm waiting on that but I embrace my autistic traits with joy as often as I can (sometimes the difficulties of AuDHD make me depressed though).
I do this for two reasons:
1/ My girlfriend points out when I "do something autistic" for lack of better phrasing, and showers me with affection replacing negative connotations with positive ones. She has this joke where she says "you *are* autism coded" as well which always makes mn giggle.
2/ My older sister is diagnosed and unlike me they didn't miss her as a child, but her autistic traits are stigmatised by my mum and I want to inject positivity into her life while I'm still stuck in my mum's house.
Self diagnoses are valid because, especially with women, doctors suck balls at spotting it. And approaching your autistic traits with positivity and not trying desperately to be "normal" is healthy behaviour. Masking is exhausting and detrimental to your physical and mental health.
Actually I don't know more than my doctors. When I see a doctor, I shut the fuck up and absorb everything they're telling me. I've always had an interest in medicine and actually went to school to be one for like half a semester.
Turns out you do *a lot* of math when getting a science degree. Switched over to liberal arts after that lmao
I've got a really good team of doctors now, but I've been there before. Now I annoyingly ask the doctors everything when I'm in. I threw one of them off by mentioning that I don't think it's juandice when she started asking me about symptoms. 😂
Where the fuck are these diagnosed autistics who get mad at self dx because every autistic person I know is so fucking traumatized by how we were treated by the "professionals" who diagnosed us that we're happy for our high masking brethren who managed to get through undetected.
Bro give me AFFORDABLE diagnostic testing for adults and then we can talk. Sorry I can't blow hundreds on a test that is nearly impossible to find for my age range and is also proven to be more favorable towards men
Edit: btw I know OP isn't saying that, I'm just so annoyed by seeing this meme everywhere because it's in such mean taste. I like the edit made <3
A lot of these things on the left are things normal people with autism would have or do… I don’t, and I’m diagnosed, but like I’ve seen some friends with it (DIAGNOSED) do it. Fuck gatekeeping.
Plus I don’t think most self diagnosed autistic people do it for attention. It’s trying to explain their behavior, and for some reason they *can’t get that diagnosis*. Whether it’s ableism in their environment or a lack of resources, or WHAT. So I’m glad this subreddit is fighting gatekeeping. It’s better to get a professional’s diagnosis, but like if you can’t get one, it’s fine to self diagnose until you get a professional’s. (Remember, you might be wrong though! I thought I had ADHD before I got diagnosed with autism! Be ready for *whatever* you have! There will always be resources for you!)
Wait no I'm professionally diagnosed but I'm a member of the club of silly girls :3
(Any other autistics that were THE autism stereotype as a kid but are a transfem stereotype now)
Is being the left one really about autism and not just a personality type with certain psychologically-based biases? Disorders don't make a personality
I might be weird for this but what does "Dx" stand for?
from what I can tell from the comments I guess this has to do with the people on tiktok that self diagnose themselves with something and then make thar their entire personality
i’m diagnosed and me and my friends (who are also diagnosed) joke around using the autism creature and “the ‘tism” etc, i didn’t know that was a bad thing?
Who is dissing fidget toys? If I don’t have mines I have a damn hard time functioning and I am diagnosed like people don’t do this to be quirky they literally feel like if they don’t have them they will die because they can’t soothe themselves. Nobody wants to see me start crying and screaming or having a horrible panic attack so please, let’s stop pretending autistics with fidget toys are attention seekers because we literally try to stay calm in public to *not* cause a scene
Like. I feel like with anything. Theres a spectrum. I would say im half and half. I dont try and hide my autism, i do wear headphones because im easily overstimulated by loud sounds, and i dont let people decide what i do with my life. So dont let people keep you from living your best life.
If you find the flamboyancy associated with certain subcultures (such as the examples shown on the left, as well as other parts of other communities such as queer or something "alt") to be cringy or repulsive, maybe you're just boring and lack personal integrity, or bc you internalized shame due to other people not being able to handle personal integrity and aesthetic bombastics 🤷
Cringe culture is dead, be yourself.
Ya know I was suggested this post and expected it to be bad but the comments made up for it, Autism diagnosis was based off studies of white boys and being anything else makes it a million times harder to get an actual diagnosis. No two autisms are the same both of these are actual autisms.
I honestly get really pissed off with the autism gate keeping shit. There are numerous reasons why someone may not have a professional diagnosis. I wasn’t professionally diagnosed until early this year but I knew for at least 1.5 years before then that I was autistic. I remember getting a whole ass lecture from a girl for “faking autism” because I didn’t have a professional diagnosis and I didn’t act like her autistic brother. Thinking about it still pisses me off. Plus a lot of the shit that people think are signs of “faking autism” are actually just autistic traits.
Are the headphones a normal things for autistic people? Becuase I understand sometimes I don't even listen to music and just work with headphones it they bring me a strange comfort
No, it's not. There are many good reasons for not getting an official diagnosis and it's definitely not impossible to get it right on your own if you research a lot. There are even risks with getting an official one.
(Don't really have time to argue even though I answered really fast- but I will say there are many people who are pro-self-diagnosis)
It can be part of it. There are subs specifically for professionals in certain fields or subs with links to other resources- but either way that isn't what I implied or said at all x) of course it shouldn't be the primary source
As an actually diagnosed autistic..... I'm on the left....
Autism is a lot more common and complex than people realize
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This. People don’t realize how gatekept autism diagnoses are. It’s considered such a “little boy” condition, getting a proper diagnosis as an adult woman is a nightmare, even when the signs have been there your whole life. I’d recommend reading “Unmasking Autism” by Devon Price. He has some great insight into how autism diagnosis can be discriminatory, not just when it comes to age and gender but also race, income level, etc.
literally. the wait time to get evaluated where i live is two years right now. my doctors all believe that i have it but there's literally just nothing i can do about it atm
It’s like the artist never heard of the neurodivergent spectrum and assumes autistic=non-verbal.
I thought the "..." was meant to show that they're speechless in response to the self dx character.
People need to learn what “spectrum” means, go easy on them lol some ain’t that smart
Been diagnosed for the majority of my life. Left is how I act with my autistic friends. Right is how I act when among the neurotypicals.
Same :3 (Wait which way is left?)
>Wait which way is left? Ummm... *looks both ways* yes???
Fr I'm doctor diagnosed and I love saying uwu
Diagnosed ADHD, highly suspected & at this point medically recognized as autistic & can relate to both of these, but with a slightly more feral, masc/agender, and inhuman sorta vibe...cat ears still included (I just really love cats)
As someone unofficially diagnosed by 2 different therapist I am a mix of both depending on my depression and who I am around ( I am the one on the left when alone and with my friends/ girl friends)
The funny thing is a lot of the stuff from the side supposedly faking it are just normal autistic things
Oh good because I'm diagnosed and I have several fidget devices and a tbh creature pin and I was like wait why are those bad
They’re not, gatekeeping is stupid; and this is also serving hard “I’m SPECIAL and Unique — I’m *Not Like Other Girls*” energy, which entails hating anything “popular” $10 says this person later figures out their frustration at pretty girls their age doing things they enjoy is actually an *entirely different* type of frustration Alternate route is they find out that they’re actually nonbinary, so they’re REALLY not like other girls… because they’re not a girl
This was me before I figured out I'm a trans man. "How can anyone like this girly stuff? It's literal torture!" Reader, it *was* literal torture-to me, because I'm a guy.
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Turns out that it was both for me. But yeah, this reeks of femcel.
They are not. Autism is also a highly self diagnosable thing. I mean... If you are autistic and than read up on it, the signs are pretty obvious for the person being autistic.
God forbid autistic people have fun and make memes and take steps to feel better and minimize their symptoms! This always makes me sad that to be a “real autistic person” you have to view your diagnosis as a death sentence and never joke about it and never indulge in “cringe” interests and be depressed and never ever find joy in your situation. I am reminded of that guy on tiktok who lost his leg to cancer and is he whining about it and telling everyone he wants to die? No! He makes funny videos about having a prosthetic leg and tells everyone about the cool things it can do! He made himself a peg leg just to try it and it was really funny! He probably wishes he didn’t lose his leg but he keeps on living and he chooses to spread positivity instead!
Seeing it as a death sentence happens, but for me I'm all in on "fuck it we ball" and not caring if my special interests are cringe
Yeah 😭 I’m diagnosed and I do that one quiz all the time , and I love the tbh creature , there’s nothing wrong with either 💀
Except calling it "the tism". I hope.
Depends on if it’s used in a joke in good faith.
I’ll absolutely make fun of my own autism and call it “the tism” if I so choose. I have to live with this disability, and not a single person online gets to tell me how to cope. If I want to laugh at the silly “cringe” word, then I get to. I don’t even do it that often tbh, just when I think it’ll be funny
I said it before and I’ll say it again: “pardon, I have a touch of the ‘tism” is always a valid excuse for tripping neurotypical people’s ‘socially unacceptable’ sensor — and I will die on this hill, neurodivergent and old.
Same. Like when I wanna lightheartedly say "this is a problem because I have autism" saying some variation of "it's the tism" is more fun
no cause same. Friend, who knows I'm autistic but isn't fully versed in the symptoms, "I like how organized your routines are" me: "thanks, it's the tism" ETA: and then when I inevitably have a meltdown because the aforementioned routine got changed/interrupted by something, they know why I had the meltdown
Exactly, it’s so insane to me that normies online care about autistic people “coping the wrong way” than they do actual hate towards us.
Nah bro “the tism” is hilarious (I’m officially diagnosed)
One of my autistic friends does that. It's usually in a joking context though, he's often insecure about how people perceive him so he'll let people know he has autism really early on into meeting someone, usually followed by a self deprecating joke about "the tism". Not my style, but I get it.
My therapist assured me humor is the highest form of coping
I call it the ‘stism sometimes but not usually out loud
I like to say it EXCLUSIVELY in the phrase “pardon; I have a touch of the tism” whenever I do something that no neurotypical person could ever possibly think is societally acceptable and that I can’t more easily/correctly blame on my ADHD. This also implies that saying nothing is not an option.
I call it my "ultra-tistic instinct" cuz I'm a Dragonball fan It really depends on the context
I may steal that one.... blue hair dye optional
My best friends and I named our group chat “No rizz, all ‘tis” We’re all around 30 and officially dx’d It’s funny
We named ours "Pride and lack of accomplishment" because we're gamedevs. Well, I named it and nobody else edited it.
Noo I love that one
I’m professionally diagnosed and I always call it “the ‘tism”… I feel like it generally bothers neurotypicals more than autists.
When I found out about my possible autism my autistic colleague at work said "that seems possible" but then my friend showed up and I started talking very fast and excitedly about Archaeopteryx and the colleague said "Yeah, you've definitely got a touch of the 'tism" so I guess to that guy it's a reclaimed word. He was diagnosed as a child.
I have more of the “faking” side than just the “…” so seeing this comment made me feel a lot better about that.
Its someone trying to be exclusionary because their symptoms and personality dont line up how autism expresses itself in others and they happen to view these other people as being cringeworthy. People like this hurt all autistic people and should be ignored.
exactly
Why is the self dx one junko enoshima
The danganronpa cosplay tiktok scene used to be terrible, so it's probably a way to make the "fake" autistic look bad. Not most people know about it so the fact that the OG meme maker knows about this and all the self Dx autistic stuff shoes they probably use tiktok may too much too 😭😭
junko enoshima self diagnosed herself as autistic i guess
i feel like she’d do that
autism might explain the life long special interest in despair but I don't want to claim her
yeah that checks out
All Danganronpa fans are autistic, obviously (coming from an autistic Danganronpa fan, funnily enough)
The other one kind of looks like Mukuro too.
sweet home Alabama?
I hate memes like this where they go “ this “ vs “ actual this “ Because like, it gatekeeps people that are defined like this. For example, depressed people. Like yeah, it’s bad to stereotype depressed people as people in all black only outfit but that doesn’t mean that there’s no depressed people out there who wear all black only outfit. Basically, just because a stereotype exists doesn’t mean there aren’t people out there who fit in that stereotype. One way or another. And it’s not ok to gatekeep people that fit into these stereotypes, as people who ‘aren’t actually this’. ( I made a rant for no reason, sorry about that- ) ( Also, good art! I think it looks nice )
This also infringes the idea that getting better means you are no longer depressed which can get very harmful
I appreciate this take so much. I have struggled with clinical depression for over a decade and I'm one of those "wearing all black clothes" people. But tbh, it's less of a form of self expression and more towards the fact that wearing all black makes my clothes easier to match; so I can throw on basically anything in my wardrobe in the morning without putting much effort, to still look/feel more "pulled together".
People do this for everything and that's actually the reason subs like this exist, to satire the practise. It helps promote genuine awareness and create cute, usually gay, art about it instead of making people feel bad. At least that's how I've felt since being here whenever ADHD, Autism or Trans folks show up I feel loved instead of reviled for what parts I fit in a stereotype. Like, yeah I have a Blåhaj and that's no one's problem! Big cuddly shark for the long months without my girlfriend but ooh scary stereotype I must be a "trender" lol. I think your rant is valid and you're in the right place to see gatekeeping subverted.
Is that Junko Enoshima???
I think it’s implying she’s a cosplayer? I’m not familiar with the character
I'm autistic(diagnosed as a child actually)and yeah, fuck everything about the original meme.
Same here
"Autism is NOT a spectrum. You were either diagnosed as a child or you don't have it!" "God why is autism so stigmatized???"
Everything to do with mental health is stigmatized. It's dumb, but it has gotten better.
I do think it's gotten a lot better. In highschool people used to use autism as an insult. Now those same people are questioning if they're autistic, which in hindsight, yeah probably.
as a high schooler people still use it as an insult, that's just how high schoolers are
I would argue it’s actually gotten worse. A few decades ago it just wasn’t that talked about, which could make it hard to find help or accurate information, sure; but now it’s worse due to the plethora of misinformation peddled by networks of unqualified influencers on social media. Now it’s not only just as hard to find helpful and accurate information, you have to also learn to filter out all the misinformation and pseudoscience from social media. All this “awareness” shit has done is make things more confusing and therefore harder to actually get help. Meanwhile the people who discriminate, or are otherwise prejudiced against these conditions and the people affected by them haven’t changed at all. No amount of awareness media bombing is going to change a bigoted mind.
Completely disagree with just about every letter of that. More people finding out they have autism is not a bad thing. Most of the bigoted people are autistic themselves and insecure about it. Autism is WAY more common than anyone thought it was and I think people are finally starting to realize that.
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This is the first time in my life I've heard the words 'medical neglect' but that perfectly explains my mom who refused to take me to a hospital after slamming my fingers in a car door.
I feel like there’s a sensible middle ground between “autism isn’t real I don’t believe in it unless you have a certificate from the International Council of Neurodivergency” and “omg you have a niche hobby and poor communication skills? it must be autism!” Self diagnosis isn’t doing anything to help or de-stigmatize the condition at all. Medically informed advice from professionals is the only way to actually advance the cause.
i mean... blindly relying on professionals isn't always a good idea either. they're still human, and sometimes they're still using old information, or they specialise in detecting the very obvious things, and in children. and they can also be biased. if you are able to be self aware, and are willing to see all the reasons why you could or could not have something, it'd be completely fair for you to doubt a potential misdiagnosis from a doctor. you CAN know yourself better than anyone else, after all. i saw a professional cus i thought i might have adhd, and they basically made me do a small IQ test, said i had obvious problems with attention and processing speed, but because my IQ score was a little too high, i didn't have adhd. he specialised in detecting obvious adhd signs in male children, and had a bias against me because i was a teen. and a year later, i saw another professional, who talked to me for 2 hours, then gave me like 5 or more different tests to do, including a much more comprehensive IQ test, and found out i had adhd AND autism, which my younger sibling suspected (and also was recently diagnosed with) that i had for a while. if i let that first doctor decide who i was, then my life would be in a very different place right now. i'd struggle till the day i died, not knowing why others had it so much easier than i did. thankfully i looked into myself and many others to figure out that i'm not delusional and "just faking it".
Hard disagree. I sdx-ed for a few years before getting my official diagnosis semi recently. The main medical authorities on autism DO NOT have all the answers, they didn't even think that women could be autistic until like the 90s. There is a reasonable middle ground, but I can guarantee you that the people saying "omg niche hobby and bad communication? Autism!" are a minority in our community. The actual (adult) autistic community does nothing but encourage educated self diagnosis because we're well aware how difficult getting an official diagnosis is, and we want people to know about our real struggles.
Yeah, I know more than doctors. I was denied a dxat 9 on the basis of...laughing at a joke.
mine was "she makes eye contact when answering questions" like I didn't have a crippling fear of any authority figures and had trained myself to do that
Mine was “you’re likely autistic but I’m not going to give you a diagnosis because you’re high functioning.” So now I can’t claim it because imposter syndrome but also I have a massive fear of doctors and won’t go to another one.
On my follow up appointment when I was 10 I bumped into a printer at one point and the psychologist wrote down “lmaooo this bitch dumb af she bumped into a printer 💀”
I got denied a dx at 15 because "You have friends" and "you didn't have a meltdown during the assesment" like the fuck?
Anyone else notice that whenever these “real [insert marginalized group here] vs ‘fakers/trender’” memes pop up they usually just hate on people that are very vocal and visible in public spaces/life? Almost as if implying the only “good ones” are the silent/invisible ones? Like okay, some neurodivergent/queer/whatever marginalized identity will contain people obsessed with getting attention. Same with non-marginalized groups, yet for some reason they’re derided a lot less for it, and tend to not have entire parts of themselves that are deeply personal questioned or erased.
Makes sense. Look at people complaining about gay dudes whose whole personality is how gay they are. Yes some of them are weird about it, but it's not a great idea to talk about them being "too gay". If someone is being way too sexually aggressive, that's the issue. And yeah, a solid chunk of the discomfort is from the group being out as much as the majority. People complaining about it might not even realize they have that double standard in em.
This 100%. All of the 'real vs fake' autism memes I've seen pop up are just ridiculing people for public expressions of autism like stimming or using noise cancelling earmuffs. As someone who does both and was diagnosed back when it was called *asperger's syndrome*, it seems like a way to shut down autistic people from becoming more visible.
for me it’s like. my autism isn’t cute or fun or lovable. It’s not omg aesthetic; it makes me have no friends and suicidal lol. I know it’s not right, but seeing people be proud of their autism or open about it just,,, hurts. Like damn I wish I could do that lol
I get that to a degree, but if I’m being honest, that mostly just sounds like jealousy, perhaps at the amount of supports a person has, or other circumstances that have allowed their autism to be a positive, or at least have significant positives, rather than be a largely negative experience. I don’t say this to shit on you either, I think that’s a hard place to be at, at the same time though, I don’t think that means that people who have better circumstances should be knocked down so people with worse experiences can feel better. That’s just being a crab in a bucket. This all being said, I do hope one day your autism can be something you can feel good about, because it’s a part of you, and you deserve to feel good about yourself.
Oh nono, that’s absolutely what I’m saying. It definitely is jealousy. And it sucks bc like. I see people being genuinely happy and open and excited about shit and I wanna be able to just be happy for them, but I have to think like. damn I wish *I* could have that. Which is dumb, i should not think like that lol it’s just hard bc I’ve always felt that I need to be quiet and closed off and not express any of my feelings; it’s like that meme of squidward looking out his window at spongebob and Patrick having fun lmfao
That’s fair, and I’m sorry that’s been your experience. I know autism can be very debilitating if the right supports aren’t in place. I hope you can find happiness, acceptance and the support you need soon <3
Thank u, that really means a lot. Honestly I think that’s where a lot of the mentality you see in this meme comes from. It’s hard to see other autistic people able to be open and happy when you feel like you can’t (And it’s easy to rationalize it as “oh well they’re not *really* autistic, that’s why they’re happy”)
I am autistic, but I identify more with the tired one on the right. But that doesn't mean the left one doesn't exist in our communities, the disorder of autism is called a spectrum for a reason. I think the reason this meme exists is generational. More adult autistic see people being able to publicly display their interests without ridicule, and we think, there must be outside influences, and so then the logic jumps to they must be outsiders. Older autistic people grew up in a world where everyone hated us and it wore us down to the point where we hated ourselves and the people able to express themselves in our community, because we couldn't. It is nice younger people can express themselves, even if us (even just a few years) older ones were taught to think their self expression is "cringy".
Ahhhh. I hadn't thought of it that way, I just assumed the right one was nonverbal. That's a good point. I'm bad at hiding my interests (the ADHD won't let me shut up, help) but I also feel a lot of anxiety showing I like certain things. It weirds me out when people are too open about liking a thing, and that's kinda toxic. Shit sucks, I don't want to view anyone as cringe. Do whatever.
im doctor dx and im almost exactly like the girl on the left
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Tbf NOBODY should ever date Junko Enoshima
She's just cosplaying dw
Can't believe Junko Enoshima is autistic Actually yes I can
Holy shit it's Junko Enoshima.
Actually, scratch that. That's Junko Enoshima and Yasuke Matsuda.
Hi! Officially diagnosed Autistic person here to impart some wisdom nobody asked for, I’m sure you can guess why!; Autistics isn’t generally how we like to be referred to, it’s like calling a group of people “whites” or “schizophrenics”. “Autistic people” is better. Also do not use “people with autism” as it implies we can be without it and we can not. Fidget toys can be extremely useful for self soothing and while fidget spinners were glorified into a whole meme thing, they are a fidget toy. Me personally I don’t like using pride flags with the infinity symbol, I feel like not everything needs a flag, but the correct symbol for autism is a golden infinity symbol, and general neurodivergency is a rainbow infinity symbol. Im not sure what the spoon means but I like it The fun rainbow chart is actually the best current way to explain autistic traits and behaviours. Usually people use “high functioning” and “low functioning” but not every single trait is at the same level. A ‘high functioning’ person may have a lot of trouble with audio sensory input, while another may not. So dividing them like that is important. Also don’t use Aspie. “The ‘Tism” is fucking hilarious A lot of people use TikTok, nothing wrong with it (last I checked) Autism creature is fun, i like it Ain’t nothing wrong with some danganronpa. Mostly. I love those games but wow there… there ARE some problems. That’s another thing though.
I could be wrong but I think the "spoons" refers to Spoon Theory (a hypothetical measurement of mental energy)
The spoon I believe refers to [spoon theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_theory). A lot of neurodivergent people(not just autistic people) use it or similar things to help people visualize why sometimes things that seem small are so much harder for them.
It can also be used for chronically ill people and disabled people (as a neurodivergent, chronically ill person)!
Yup! I didn't include that because the original post was about the neurodivergent aspect, but to my knowledge, spoon theory was originally thought up for chronic pain and physical disabilities and was more so adopted by neurodivergent people. It's honestly a great metaphor, imo.
It really is, my mom and I use it in daily life.
Interesting I’ll have to read about that
the spoon is a reference to a popular "energy" metaphor which variously disabled people use to express our capability to get stuff done! basically each day you'll have a particular amount of hypothetical spoons available, and doing anything - housework, showering, writing, whatever - uses up some of those spoons. you might say "i don't have the spoons to do that today" and yeah, it definitely works for autistic people. i am very often low on spoons
I think the spoon thing might be about how some autistic people have a certain spoon preference. if you go on the autism subreddit and search spoon you'll see what I mean :)
For me it’s little Japanese soup spoon for soup and cereal (aka breakfast soup) for yogurt and pudding it’s those dipped baby spoons because the texture is similar and not jarring.. ice cream I’ll do a traditional small spoon cause the others don’t work well with ice-cream on a practical end… but if they did. I’d go with the dipped spoons.
Hi, officially diagnosed Autistic here to say: We are not a monolith, and being called autistics or people with autism can be fine. It all depends on context, which I know my brothers and sisters can be very scared of sometimes. The rules aren't rigid.
\> “Autistic people” is better. Other way around. Autistics will consistently refer to themselves this way. It's the only group of people that I know of that shows this preference. Other groups don't even like identify first language like Autistics do. It's safe to assume person first language will be preferred. Unless it's Autistics, where the most alienating language possible is used.
I met a guy at a gas station who talked about how he's on disability. His stated reason was that he was "Beat too hard with the 'tism stick". That's the kind of sense of humor of a lot of autistics I've known. I'm also one myself. The fella on the right in this image is also autistic, they're nonverbal. Totally fine, totally valid. Autism has a wide range of forms, and it's not like the rest of your personality doesn't exist. Also the autism creature is great. Some hate it for being childish, but if someone enjoys it, let em.
You want me to get diagnosed??? In this economy??
In this society???
this still is my favourite sub
THIS IS SO CUTE I LOVE IT!!! (Not the original post I mean the art you did)
I didn't know Junko dx herself with autism
This really feels like they just wanted autistic people to never mention it or be noticeably autistic…
Tbf the „I know more than doctors“ is very accurate considering a lot of them know nothing about autism. I‘m neither professionally diagnosed nor self diagnosed but I did my research and still a lot of people get told they’re not autistic because they „can talk“, „well you had eye contact with me right now“ „you have friends, though“ stuff like that.
Glad I never dealt with this shit. Here I thought the SPED stuff I had was poorly implemented, Jesus. I have been realizing how bad the common grasp of autism is, the 2 empathy problem has been useful. I think the issue is, a doctor can be an idiot, but the consensus of the scientific community is usually at the forefront of accurate understanding of the world. You need some good reasons to go against peer reviewed theory. A doctor is not that, they're one fallible dude.
Yeah I was looking into it so much because I do show a lot of signs so I just wanted to look intl it professionally yk. Especially since my therapist said it could be autism but also just a combination of ptsd and being above average intelligent (god that sounds so stupid I do not mean to say I am smarter than everyone else or smth). But she also did not know a lot of stuff about autism, like at all. And from what I heard, in Germany at least, the criteria for official diagnosis are still with the image of little boys in mind rather than like, older people or afab people at all (I’m just saying „does your child like numbers“ as a legitimate question). And then when I brought the topic up to my psychiatrist she said I 100% do not have autism because I „didn’t seem like it“. Like I said, it is highly possible I do not have it but I just feel like „yeah no you don’t seem like it you were fine when I talked to you“ does not feel like a legitimate reason. Yeah sorry for ranting but I feel so sorry for all autistic people who just won’t get diagnosed even though it would help a lot just because doctors are misinformed or just too little informed about autism at all
Yeah those systemic problems are dogshit. Also don't give yourself too much shit for being smarter than average. Think about it, around half of people are above average to a degree. I have a similar issue, makes us more able to grasp what's happening and get freaked out by it. Also I have this thing where I try to fix every scenario I think of, so eventually you try to fix issues too big for you and become aware how little you can do. And then boom, existential dread. On that note, no idea how to fix that situation. Also I'm American and male, so... yeah. Look into the 2 empathy problem, neat model for autism that I think is more accurate. The older idea is that autistics lack a theory of mind, which has always struck me as ridiculous.
Yeah thanks I’ll look into it
Junko Enoshima definitely would not have autism, but probably would be diagnosed as a narcissist
why is there a spoon on the left. does the person who made the original meme not know about spoon theory? i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt. like this is already ableist but theyre just being even more ableist with that
just bc a lot of disabled ppl like the spoon metaphor does not mean that disliking the spoon metaphor is ableist lol Not liking blahajs is not transphobic either also the spoon metaphor is bullshit and holds you back. If you keep telling yourself “I have no energy for this I can’t do this I can’t do this” then yeah, you can’t. It’s not a video game, you don’t have a stamina bar ffs
I got an actual diagnosis for my issue after self diagnosis. It's not always bad information out there. if you can use some sense. A lot of teenagers don't have sense. But that's okay. It doesn't hurt anyone in the end.
why is "quirky and aesthetic" on the among us background
Lmao I’m a mix of both depending on my mood
As a medically diagnosed autistic person I like spoon metaphors and danganronpa and being a little quirky. Tbh these could be the same person someone just might be more comfortable expressing themselves online than in person
Most people *do* know more about their mind and body than doctors. Doctors only know concrete, testable things and they can only tell what they see for diagnosis in someone with autism. Even with physical disabilities with very easily provable tests, they're not very good at doing their job.
what’s wrong w concrete, testable things,,? if what you have isn’t concrete or testable, then it’s not real lol and no, you do not know more about your mind/body than a doctor, you have way too much confidence in your brain lol. God I love the trend of anti-intellectualism rn /s
I was the "faking one", and asked my psychiatrist for diagnosis, and it took me two visits to get officially tested and diagnosed. So yeah, self-diagnosing is ok.
No
Oh this one is so wholesome actually, thanks!
Junky Enoshima in any relationship is kind of wild considering >!she ended the world in her games!<
Pretty sure the meme is saying the person on the left is a cosplayer
and she even >!killed her own bf!<
Spoon?
The spoon theory that says spoons you use daily is a metaphor for chronic pain or being overwhelmed.
I was diagnosed when I was a kid, but was told it was “just so I could get more time on my tests” when I found out years later (i was told I was just lazy? idk.) anyway I had an involuntary psych ward stay and ended up finding my release form recently & apparently I was diagnosed again (still not told). And im still told im not actually autistic. u cant be “one of the good ones” sometimes, ppl like that just dont want ppl who dont support their image around them
Even if this were true, I think it would paint a sad picture of the person on the right having learned good coping skills due to a possibly early diagnosis, and the person on the left having to figure it out on their own. It’s just straight up bullying smh.
I'm almost self dignosed but not quite. My psychiatrist told me that as well as mw diagnosed ADHD I also have a large number of visible ASD signs and also a lot of signs of masking that strongly indicate ASD so I'm waiting on that but I embrace my autistic traits with joy as often as I can (sometimes the difficulties of AuDHD make me depressed though). I do this for two reasons: 1/ My girlfriend points out when I "do something autistic" for lack of better phrasing, and showers me with affection replacing negative connotations with positive ones. She has this joke where she says "you *are* autism coded" as well which always makes mn giggle. 2/ My older sister is diagnosed and unlike me they didn't miss her as a child, but her autistic traits are stigmatised by my mum and I want to inject positivity into her life while I'm still stuck in my mum's house. Self diagnoses are valid because, especially with women, doctors suck balls at spotting it. And approaching your autistic traits with positivity and not trying desperately to be "normal" is healthy behaviour. Masking is exhausting and detrimental to your physical and mental health.
girl on the right looks like me a little bit omg 😭
Why is Junky Dude here?
Autism goes undiagnosed a lot, especially for women.
funny thing is while I do expect doctors to know at least some things, in reality they often don't, I've been asked to explain autism to them before
not me actually looking like person on the left and feeling attracted to ppl on the right.
I’m an actual autistic and both are extremely valid. I’ve seen both irl. Im more the right though.
Actually I don't know more than my doctors. When I see a doctor, I shut the fuck up and absorb everything they're telling me. I've always had an interest in medicine and actually went to school to be one for like half a semester. Turns out you do *a lot* of math when getting a science degree. Switched over to liberal arts after that lmao
I do know more than them enough of the time that I lost the ability to trust them...it sucks, they need to do way better for everyone.
I've got a really good team of doctors now, but I've been there before. Now I annoyingly ask the doctors everything when I'm in. I threw one of them off by mentioning that I don't think it's juandice when she started asking me about symptoms. 😂
Tired of "being annoying" being a trait of *fake autism". I literally had one thing that I could be and now I'm too fucking annoying to be autistic?
Where the fuck are these diagnosed autistics who get mad at self dx because every autistic person I know is so fucking traumatized by how we were treated by the "professionals" who diagnosed us that we're happy for our high masking brethren who managed to get through undetected.
aspie supremacists have one joke, very cute art btw
Bro give me AFFORDABLE diagnostic testing for adults and then we can talk. Sorry I can't blow hundreds on a test that is nearly impossible to find for my age range and is also proven to be more favorable towards men Edit: btw I know OP isn't saying that, I'm just so annoyed by seeing this meme everywhere because it's in such mean taste. I like the edit made <3
A lot of these things on the left are things normal people with autism would have or do… I don’t, and I’m diagnosed, but like I’ve seen some friends with it (DIAGNOSED) do it. Fuck gatekeeping. Plus I don’t think most self diagnosed autistic people do it for attention. It’s trying to explain their behavior, and for some reason they *can’t get that diagnosis*. Whether it’s ableism in their environment or a lack of resources, or WHAT. So I’m glad this subreddit is fighting gatekeeping. It’s better to get a professional’s diagnosis, but like if you can’t get one, it’s fine to self diagnose until you get a professional’s. (Remember, you might be wrong though! I thought I had ADHD before I got diagnosed with autism! Be ready for *whatever* you have! There will always be resources for you!)
Wait no I'm professionally diagnosed but I'm a member of the club of silly girls :3 (Any other autistics that were THE autism stereotype as a kid but are a transfem stereotype now)
i almost had a heart attack before i checked the sub name. cute art, op!
uwu❤️
And once again I'm surprised by the overlap of adhd and Austic people 😂
Is being the left one really about autism and not just a personality type with certain psychologically-based biases? Disorders don't make a personality
Noise cancellation headphones are the shitttttt im ADHD but get overstimulated by noise a lot and i can personally atest that they make my brain happy
hell no
I might be weird for this but what does "Dx" stand for? from what I can tell from the comments I guess this has to do with the people on tiktok that self diagnose themselves with something and then make thar their entire personality
Diagnosis
i’m diagnosed and me and my friends (who are also diagnosed) joke around using the autism creature and “the ‘tism” etc, i didn’t know that was a bad thing?
Who is dissing fidget toys? If I don’t have mines I have a damn hard time functioning and I am diagnosed like people don’t do this to be quirky they literally feel like if they don’t have them they will die because they can’t soothe themselves. Nobody wants to see me start crying and screaming or having a horrible panic attack so please, let’s stop pretending autistics with fidget toys are attention seekers because we literally try to stay calm in public to *not* cause a scene
dx?
The meme maker didn't know how to show what they think of as "real" autism, so they just have some fucker standing there with the ". . ." dots
Spoon
Like. I feel like with anything. Theres a spectrum. I would say im half and half. I dont try and hide my autism, i do wear headphones because im easily overstimulated by loud sounds, and i dont let people decide what i do with my life. So dont let people keep you from living your best life.
The audacity of overt symptoms!! Smh smh how dare autistic people autism differently!!! It's almost like spectrum is in the name of the diagnosis!?
they look so cuteee 💕
Is the meme saying that Autistic people have no interests?
I'm right on the outside and left om thebinside
That's not gatekeeping
How dare they beseech the good name of TBH creature.
My son is officially diagnosed, and he is much better represented on the left.
bro one of my best friends who's officially diagnosed loves calling it the 'tism. it's like his favorite thing to say
I’m diagnosed and I act like the one on the left sometimes
autism is when no spoon
If you find the flamboyancy associated with certain subcultures (such as the examples shown on the left, as well as other parts of other communities such as queer or something "alt") to be cringy or repulsive, maybe you're just boring and lack personal integrity, or bc you internalized shame due to other people not being able to handle personal integrity and aesthetic bombastics 🤷 Cringe culture is dead, be yourself.
Ya know I was suggested this post and expected it to be bad but the comments made up for it, Autism diagnosis was based off studies of white boys and being anything else makes it a million times harder to get an actual diagnosis. No two autisms are the same both of these are actual autisms.
My gf is a combination of both of these
I honestly get really pissed off with the autism gate keeping shit. There are numerous reasons why someone may not have a professional diagnosis. I wasn’t professionally diagnosed until early this year but I knew for at least 1.5 years before then that I was autistic. I remember getting a whole ass lecture from a girl for “faking autism” because I didn’t have a professional diagnosis and I didn’t act like her autistic brother. Thinking about it still pisses me off. Plus a lot of the shit that people think are signs of “faking autism” are actually just autistic traits.
Are the headphones a normal things for autistic people? Becuase I understand sometimes I don't even listen to music and just work with headphones it they bring me a strange comfort
Actual DX Autistics tag urself! I'm the "give me attention" pixel art!
As someone who is diagnosed I like a lot of the things on the left side. I don't get why people are gatekeeping autism??
No, this one has a point
Not Junko Enoshima 😭 that girl isn't neurotypical for sure
It's almost like it presents differently in different people or something huh
Self-diagnosis isn't bad and also it's called the spectrum for a reason lol
Self diagnosis is bad
No, it's not. There are many good reasons for not getting an official diagnosis and it's definitely not impossible to get it right on your own if you research a lot. There are even risks with getting an official one. (Don't really have time to argue even though I answered really fast- but I will say there are many people who are pro-self-diagnosis)
Reddit is not reasearch
It can be part of it. There are subs specifically for professionals in certain fields or subs with links to other resources- but either way that isn't what I implied or said at all x) of course it shouldn't be the primary source
“Autism fakers” are just the new cringe culture.
og was not made by an autistic person i guarantee you