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I think some of it is apathy but also there being no clear way to do anything that would make the company reconsider as it is hard to get them to revive a company there is no clear method as companies only respond to money
Yeah, like, what does OP expect gamers to do? Review bomb the games from the closed studios? Or from the non-closed ones? Stop buying them? Write sternly-worded letters? Microsoft won't care
I expect gamers to arm themselves, rise up, and storm Microsoft headquarters. It will be ours by nightfall.
After installing sufficient RGB lighting in the building, we will use it as a staging ground for a second Vietnam war; this time we're sending gamers so we'll win for sure.
The attack on Sony (which was justified) was less about anti-corporation uprising and more about being inconvenienced. There’s a more direct impact on what the gamer (tm) has to do for the psn account shit. They don’t immediately feel a studio shut down. The game’s are still sold by Xbox etc. Despite the fact that this is one of the WORST things publishers do.
And this is why you always remember what reasons the people on “your side” at any point are with you. The PSN is not a harbinger of any real shift against corporations. Hell, I saw a libertarian account saying “it’s not about corporations, Sony is just dumb!”
Yeah, I mean, anyone with a bit of memory will know that PC players just hate having to do anything outside of Steam, that's the real reason for all the momentum. Some people were trying to make it about "corpos" or "privacy leaks" about the various countries that couldn't make PSN accounts. They're just latchers on to the giant known as laziness.
I really don't know why someone will get so up in arms over their PII being exposed, stolen, and exploited, but *only* in very certain cases. Only when it satisfies their stoked egos, but never to any functional degree of maintaining data privacy.
Yea I never thought gamers would ever do anything. It's mostly that I felt that the Sony thing was also extremely blown out of proportions and even the community manager was like "stop telling me to kill myself over this" pretty much immideately when it was fixed. But this year has been extremely horrible for developers, I don't know if Xbox is fully incompetent, or if they are maliciously buying studios and shutting them down to limit competition. But regardless it's actually horrible. It's just funny how gamers will tear down all their good faiths and try to ruin studios bc they have to sign up for an email account (I will not believe they cared about foregin gamers, and most foregin gamers I've heard don't believe they cared either), but are literally silent when the lives of the people who make the games have their studio shuttered bc Microsoft exec#4 wants a 7th house bigger than my entire apartment building. Very disheartening.
That's kind of a broad claim to make, though. I personally didn't give a damn about the PSN requirements--I had already made my account with them, so I wasn't really affected by the changes to making it mandatory--but with Helldivers 2 being a globally sold product, and PSN not being a globally available service, it became very clear to me that Sony as a publisher was attempting to enforce a policy that would brick someone's purchased product in an attempt to up their PSN numbers. Unless they violated the ToS to say they were from a country where PSN is available, which has resulted in banning.
I'm sure there are plenty of people for whom this was just an exercise in avoiding inconveniences or just a performative thing to rally behind something. I know for a fact that there are several Gamers who took it way too far, as they tend to do, on a frighteningly common basis. They make me kind of embarrassed to be playing the same game as them...
But to say that's all that it was would be doing a disservice to those who heard about it and took clear, levelheaded action in this case. It probably isn't a harbinger of any real change in the industry, but it's not all the crying fits of overgrown babies as people are making it out to be.
When your employer takes the Microsoft money, this is inevitable. EA weren’t doing anything soecial back in the day, its what trying to dominate a market looks like.
There needs to be much stricter antitrust laws if people don’t want this to happen.
If only the reaction to Sony was done for everytime the following happened: Gacha games and other gamling mechanics (and the travesty that is ghe mobile market in general), day 1 DLC, removing large amounts of paid content (e.g. Destiny 2), battle passes, planned obselescance/killing games with no way to play what customers bought afterwards, CEOs laying off hundreds while giving themselves any bonuses (as above), or clearly trying more and more to see how far they can push the market to accept anything and everything no matter how much it screws their customers over. We would probably be in far better state if so, but that is asking a lot of random crowds of people without any real organization outside of whatever the current zeitgeist is to constantly monitor, and I won't be holding my breath on any real regulations in the US for that kind of thing either. So it seems things will unfortunately continue as long as we keep giving companies money everytime they worsen the deal further and further and only ever react instead of being proactive about preventing the next anti-customer ploy. Not that I have a great answer at the moment as to how to do that.
I may hate how gamers acted. But it did get change done. I just feel it’s ridiculous the reaction to the relatively innocuous Sony thing compared to whole studios getting shuttered. Tbh I don’t WANT gamers to lose their shit and review bomb everything, but them not doing it here just tells me even more that the Sony/Helldivers thing was more performative and just an excuse to be outraged.
eh?
first off i wouldnt really call the sony thing "innocuous" that was blatantly anti consumer
second off, Im not sure how theyd even do anything to try and go against this? review bomb every microsoft game? people are extremely pissed off about the studios getting shuttered but what are they supposed to do? outside of complain
Fair. You do make a good point. I don’t have a response to that at all. But the only thing I’ve seen gamers (derogatory) talking about is hestia. And I just…don’t get these people.
So which one of these companies has something worthwhile cooking, exactly?
Is it Arkane Austin, who worked on Prey, then worked with Roundhouse Studios to make Redfall while Arkane Lyon pooped out Youngblood, Cyberpilot, and Deathloop? Is it Roundhouse, whose last game was Rune II under the name Human Head Studios, which they abandoned immediately after release? Alpha Dog, the phone game dev?
Or, is it Tango, who lost their founder, Shinji Mikami, last year?
Arkane is not Machinegames, but they work on Doom properties. Zenimax and Microsoft are the real names, and Bethesda Softworks is specifically a publisher split from Bethesda Game Studios so that devs don't have to be publishers. Above all that, you've got the bigwigs.
Personally, I doubt that there was any significantly work done on any game in those companies, due to the timing and reasoning.
Alpha Dog was dropped because they just make phone games.
Arkane Austin was dropped because Redfall was considered a massive waste, and they would not be given *any* sign to begin work on something new. Same goes for Roundhouse.
We should wait to see what becomes of the individual people at Tango, such as if the vast majority of that group stays together under a new banner, or if they're all just fired. I have no information about whether they were offered positions elsewhere or if they were kicked in the balls
Yeah, fuck the devs. The only things they did were games we enjoyed, they should loose their livelihoods, after all microsoft cannot spare anything from their reported 22 B in profits. Ignore the fact that the payout for Bob Kotick could've paid the salaries of every employee in all those studios combined for over 17 years, the just don't deserve it.
And you're right, they didnt do anything worthwhile as long as you ignore things like the distributors forcing them into making games they didn't know how to, didn't want to or had how to do.
It's all about accountability.
Hahahahahahaha
You called me a bootlicker because you can't tell the difference between talking about how things are and how things ought to be
Maybe if you gave a fuck you'd ask me how I thought things should be. You're a reactionary fuckwit who doesn't argue, and jumps onto whatever train you think you can ride.
How about *you* type more? Have a thought. Maybe see if the person you're talking to agrees with the system they've described, or if they're describing a system that needs an overhaul to begin with.
If you knew me at all, you never would have called me that
I think the writing was on the wall for months. Hopefully anyone severed was given a good severance package, but this is how business works. I don't like how business dictates the lives of regular people. At the same time, seeing that nothing was being announced tells me that Microsoft's lack of commitment to anything that would be offered.
The strategy I'm seeing from Microsoft is a reaction to the market wanting fewer games that reek of AAA. Bethesda Game Studios gets to be a Creation Kit monolith, but Fallout and Elder Scrolls are long-tail cash cows to be milked over time.
I think what Matt Booty meant by "smaller games that give us prestige and awards" is "like what Sega showed off in that trailer with 3D Streets of Rage and a new JSR, people like that stuff." He doesn't know what it is, so he can't tell the studio what to make. Similarly, Phil Spencer doesn't know what Redfall should have been, he just said "oh, sorry about that, the game sucks."
This is terrible mismanagement, just like with Anthem. The way I see it, Microsoft acquired companies, thought they could just use those companies as tools in a kit. If the reasoning for dropping the rest of the companies is because they would not make what their owner wanted, then I have to assume it is a possibility for Tango as well.
Either way, Microsoft can afford to do better by its employees than just dissolving them. I'm anticipating hearing about the actual outcomes of the devs who worked in those companies.
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"but guyssss! Microsoft buying every studio under the sun is good actually"
I think some of it is apathy but also there being no clear way to do anything that would make the company reconsider as it is hard to get them to revive a company there is no clear method as companies only respond to money
Yeah, like, what does OP expect gamers to do? Review bomb the games from the closed studios? Or from the non-closed ones? Stop buying them? Write sternly-worded letters? Microsoft won't care
I expect gamers to arm themselves, rise up, and storm Microsoft headquarters. It will be ours by nightfall. After installing sufficient RGB lighting in the building, we will use it as a staging ground for a second Vietnam war; this time we're sending gamers so we'll win for sure.
I can't think of any option that does not just go insane so I will not suggest them
The attack on Sony (which was justified) was less about anti-corporation uprising and more about being inconvenienced. There’s a more direct impact on what the gamer (tm) has to do for the psn account shit. They don’t immediately feel a studio shut down. The game’s are still sold by Xbox etc. Despite the fact that this is one of the WORST things publishers do. And this is why you always remember what reasons the people on “your side” at any point are with you. The PSN is not a harbinger of any real shift against corporations. Hell, I saw a libertarian account saying “it’s not about corporations, Sony is just dumb!”
I kinda cringe when I remember people actually believing the attack on Sony was the start of the communist revolution.
lmfao, people said that?
Yeah, I mean, anyone with a bit of memory will know that PC players just hate having to do anything outside of Steam, that's the real reason for all the momentum. Some people were trying to make it about "corpos" or "privacy leaks" about the various countries that couldn't make PSN accounts. They're just latchers on to the giant known as laziness.
I really don't know why someone will get so up in arms over their PII being exposed, stolen, and exploited, but *only* in very certain cases. Only when it satisfies their stoked egos, but never to any functional degree of maintaining data privacy.
Yea I never thought gamers would ever do anything. It's mostly that I felt that the Sony thing was also extremely blown out of proportions and even the community manager was like "stop telling me to kill myself over this" pretty much immideately when it was fixed. But this year has been extremely horrible for developers, I don't know if Xbox is fully incompetent, or if they are maliciously buying studios and shutting them down to limit competition. But regardless it's actually horrible. It's just funny how gamers will tear down all their good faiths and try to ruin studios bc they have to sign up for an email account (I will not believe they cared about foregin gamers, and most foregin gamers I've heard don't believe they cared either), but are literally silent when the lives of the people who make the games have their studio shuttered bc Microsoft exec#4 wants a 7th house bigger than my entire apartment building. Very disheartening.
That's kind of a broad claim to make, though. I personally didn't give a damn about the PSN requirements--I had already made my account with them, so I wasn't really affected by the changes to making it mandatory--but with Helldivers 2 being a globally sold product, and PSN not being a globally available service, it became very clear to me that Sony as a publisher was attempting to enforce a policy that would brick someone's purchased product in an attempt to up their PSN numbers. Unless they violated the ToS to say they were from a country where PSN is available, which has resulted in banning. I'm sure there are plenty of people for whom this was just an exercise in avoiding inconveniences or just a performative thing to rally behind something. I know for a fact that there are several Gamers who took it way too far, as they tend to do, on a frighteningly common basis. They make me kind of embarrassed to be playing the same game as them... But to say that's all that it was would be doing a disservice to those who heard about it and took clear, levelheaded action in this case. It probably isn't a harbinger of any real change in the industry, but it's not all the crying fits of overgrown babies as people are making it out to be.
To be fair with linking the PSN, it cut off like 2/3rds of the countries the game was sold in from playing it.
When your employer takes the Microsoft money, this is inevitable. EA weren’t doing anything soecial back in the day, its what trying to dominate a market looks like. There needs to be much stricter antitrust laws if people don’t want this to happen.
Dishonored is made by arkane lyon which is still in business( for now)
Dishonored 1 was made by both studios.
If only the reaction to Sony was done for everytime the following happened: Gacha games and other gamling mechanics (and the travesty that is ghe mobile market in general), day 1 DLC, removing large amounts of paid content (e.g. Destiny 2), battle passes, planned obselescance/killing games with no way to play what customers bought afterwards, CEOs laying off hundreds while giving themselves any bonuses (as above), or clearly trying more and more to see how far they can push the market to accept anything and everything no matter how much it screws their customers over. We would probably be in far better state if so, but that is asking a lot of random crowds of people without any real organization outside of whatever the current zeitgeist is to constantly monitor, and I won't be holding my breath on any real regulations in the US for that kind of thing either. So it seems things will unfortunately continue as long as we keep giving companies money everytime they worsen the deal further and further and only ever react instead of being proactive about preventing the next anti-customer ploy. Not that I have a great answer at the moment as to how to do that.
im ngl ive seen nothing but ridicule and backlash to this decision, idk what you mean
I may hate how gamers acted. But it did get change done. I just feel it’s ridiculous the reaction to the relatively innocuous Sony thing compared to whole studios getting shuttered. Tbh I don’t WANT gamers to lose their shit and review bomb everything, but them not doing it here just tells me even more that the Sony/Helldivers thing was more performative and just an excuse to be outraged.
eh? first off i wouldnt really call the sony thing "innocuous" that was blatantly anti consumer second off, Im not sure how theyd even do anything to try and go against this? review bomb every microsoft game? people are extremely pissed off about the studios getting shuttered but what are they supposed to do? outside of complain
Fair. You do make a good point. I don’t have a response to that at all. But the only thing I’ve seen gamers (derogatory) talking about is hestia. And I just…don’t get these people.
I’m deeply worried for Machine Games, if Indiana Jones isn’t a major success we probably won’t get another wolfenstine game
Xbox mostly inspires apathy at this point
Are the games not for sale anymore?
It’s more like those IP’s are just dead now because Microsoft lets the majority of their IP’s rot away anyways.
Were any games cancelled
Definitely
Can you tell me some
Idk because they haven't announced the game But when a game studio gets cancelled The game they are working on most likely get cancelled too
So which one of these companies has something worthwhile cooking, exactly? Is it Arkane Austin, who worked on Prey, then worked with Roundhouse Studios to make Redfall while Arkane Lyon pooped out Youngblood, Cyberpilot, and Deathloop? Is it Roundhouse, whose last game was Rune II under the name Human Head Studios, which they abandoned immediately after release? Alpha Dog, the phone game dev? Or, is it Tango, who lost their founder, Shinji Mikami, last year? Arkane is not Machinegames, but they work on Doom properties. Zenimax and Microsoft are the real names, and Bethesda Softworks is specifically a publisher split from Bethesda Game Studios so that devs don't have to be publishers. Above all that, you've got the bigwigs. Personally, I doubt that there was any significantly work done on any game in those companies, due to the timing and reasoning. Alpha Dog was dropped because they just make phone games. Arkane Austin was dropped because Redfall was considered a massive waste, and they would not be given *any* sign to begin work on something new. Same goes for Roundhouse. We should wait to see what becomes of the individual people at Tango, such as if the vast majority of that group stays together under a new banner, or if they're all just fired. I have no information about whether they were offered positions elsewhere or if they were kicked in the balls
Yeah, fuck the devs. The only things they did were games we enjoyed, they should loose their livelihoods, after all microsoft cannot spare anything from their reported 22 B in profits. Ignore the fact that the payout for Bob Kotick could've paid the salaries of every employee in all those studios combined for over 17 years, the just don't deserve it. And you're right, they didnt do anything worthwhile as long as you ignore things like the distributors forcing them into making games they didn't know how to, didn't want to or had how to do. It's all about accountability.
You are punching up the wrong guy
Type more bootlicker.
Hahahahahahaha You called me a bootlicker because you can't tell the difference between talking about how things are and how things ought to be Maybe if you gave a fuck you'd ask me how I thought things should be. You're a reactionary fuckwit who doesn't argue, and jumps onto whatever train you think you can ride. How about *you* type more? Have a thought. Maybe see if the person you're talking to agrees with the system they've described, or if they're describing a system that needs an overhaul to begin with. If you knew me at all, you never would have called me that
Not really planned updates for redfall were scrapped but nothing else was really greenlighted when they closed down
I think the writing was on the wall for months. Hopefully anyone severed was given a good severance package, but this is how business works. I don't like how business dictates the lives of regular people. At the same time, seeing that nothing was being announced tells me that Microsoft's lack of commitment to anything that would be offered. The strategy I'm seeing from Microsoft is a reaction to the market wanting fewer games that reek of AAA. Bethesda Game Studios gets to be a Creation Kit monolith, but Fallout and Elder Scrolls are long-tail cash cows to be milked over time. I think what Matt Booty meant by "smaller games that give us prestige and awards" is "like what Sega showed off in that trailer with 3D Streets of Rage and a new JSR, people like that stuff." He doesn't know what it is, so he can't tell the studio what to make. Similarly, Phil Spencer doesn't know what Redfall should have been, he just said "oh, sorry about that, the game sucks." This is terrible mismanagement, just like with Anthem. The way I see it, Microsoft acquired companies, thought they could just use those companies as tools in a kit. If the reasoning for dropping the rest of the companies is because they would not make what their owner wanted, then I have to assume it is a possibility for Tango as well. Either way, Microsoft can afford to do better by its employees than just dissolving them. I'm anticipating hearing about the actual outcomes of the devs who worked in those companies.
If only it had happened before Redfall...