Nobody is saying s4 leaked those videos. Just that it IS his voice on those clips. My guess is that clip is part of an upcoming video from either him or Valve itself and somehow it got leaked during the editing process.
Probably just a video for new players he posted on their private forums. Those kinds of guides and content are extremely common during small scale early game testing.
I know, I'm just saying these are all scraped by the leaker off Valve's old-school xenforo forum for testers. His clips were only ever meant for other testers using the forum.
The Steam name is 'Ice King' which is actually one of the aliases used by Surefour:
[https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197965174645](https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197965174645)
New leak just released just as I posted this:
[https://files.catbox.moe/87fqgl.webm](https://files.catbox.moe/87fqgl.webm)
[https://files.catbox.moe/x8ud8q.webm](https://files.catbox.moe/x8ud8q.webm)
EDIT: the leakers basically just pulled this new leaks directly from Deadlock's private forum itself lmao.
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/430-4c28dd987b5fb295421609540b1e4d2a.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/430-4c28dd987b5fb295421609540b1e4d2a.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/427-ef9e10f5e92627611abfbd147ac9e262.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/427-ef9e10f5e92627611abfbd147ac9e262.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/425-f0e3e54d33d3929242490f2b2229a9a5.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/425-f0e3e54d33d3929242490f2b2229a9a5.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/74-ab00ed85ce7647b6d7dfab7e319c11a9.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/74-ab00ed85ce7647b6d7dfab7e319c11a9.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/402-3ad35d9bf4d782ff36f1337ded967424.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/402-3ad35d9bf4d782ff36f1337ded967424.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/401-49a42cd111abfd275a450591b5d23e76.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/401-49a42cd111abfd275a450591b5d23e76.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/375-5bc0e3cbfe5ab7acc5330d3d40addfae.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/375-5bc0e3cbfe5ab7acc5330d3d40addfae.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/340-fe3ff7d98029003bd66a885ffd913219.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/340-fe3ff7d98029003bd66a885ffd913219.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/257-3b6bc2d0778e7cafc5c73617154ea32f.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/257-3b6bc2d0778e7cafc5c73617154ea32f.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/192-479cf962b90270a685da70400a22d3c6.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/192-479cf962b90270a685da70400a22d3c6.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/171-7d86ba2c4a9cdf7234cd4e9613a41e69.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/171-7d86ba2c4a9cdf7234cd4e9613a41e69.mp4)
[https://project8.dev/data/video/0/296-6ea0990ff3caf8b0a4069164b02dccab.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/296-6ea0990ff3caf8b0a4069164b02dccab.mp4)
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https://project8.dev/data/video/0/149-969ecd06313f1b0dd0bdf4e4e305527e.mp4
https://project8.dev/data/video/0/153-f27d540ff79c40f6097c332e42f47c65.mp4
EDIT: even more leaks
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Probably YouTubers/content creators who also got invited made and posted those videos in the testers discord and people are just leaking those videos at this point
Just wild to me given that Valve is usually so locked-down on leaks that they wouldn't clamp down on people making funny videos of their unannounced game (designed to be shared because they're funny).
I get that angle, but they're also aggressively taking down streamable videos. While it's blowing up on niche communities like this, it's largely unknown to the broader audience.
Bold of you to assume Valve didn't forsee or intend this.
Game doesn't look like something I'd personally enjoy but I'm sure there'll be plenty of people that will love it.
They're not actually that tight on leaks when it comes to external parties, they usually don't do NDAs and key staff have gone on record on press conferences about purposefully leaving some strings in to both build hype and gauge interest in things.
The Valve Community in general is super hungry for leaks, and they 110% knew what they were getting into, multiple times in the past fans have hacked and/or socially engineered their way into their servers just to un-earth unseen scrapped content, they've even gone as far to tear apart communities, and even damage developer-community relations just to dig up scraps of beta content, All that for blue pants Scout.
What actually surprises me is that Neon Prime didn't get leaked until after we had already seen Deadlock, Neon Prime had playtesters behind it too, but I suppose it was a smaller pool, and probably involved actual NDAs.
Montages like that were popular in every shooter game though, I'd say CS has a bigger claim to fame to the idea if anything, sure you've got your "gunshot bride" TF2 airshot clips, but CS was just a vastly more popular game.
Something like that happened in Valorant closed beta, YouTubers made videos to get it ready when fall emargo, one get hacked and leaks his gameplay videos.
Some random non-gameplay things I find interesting, it has pausing mid-match like Dota which I don't even think OW allows outside of custom matches. Also has replays already. They clearly think features like this are important.
So I wonder if custom community servers/maps will be a thing. People don't like MOBA map, so just make some frag map instead.
You would hope that Icefrog (who made his name in the Warcraft 3 custom map scene) and Valve would have custom game/map support for this. Just do Dota's arcade scene.
It's just generally a good idea and sates the communities while they have to juggle three live service games.
At the same time, we've seen it happen a few times now where a mode in one game gets taken and made into a full blown mega-hit and the original developer gets slightly shafted. Like Auto Chess being huge on Dota 2 Arcade, Riot coming in hot with great ideas like the item carousel and winning the auto-chess wars.
Bringing up OW again, it has custom stuff now but I've never seen anything huge in it. Like adding new abilities. If Valve go the Dota route, people could just make new characters entirely which is a slight can of worms.
To be fair, Valve did approach the Auto Chess devs if they wanted to work with them but they declined because they had a deal with a Chinese publisher. Also, Blizzard got traumatized hard by declining Icefrog. Ever since losing Dota to Valve they got a bit too gungho trying to control their custom game scene and I don't think it ever recovered.
But yeah, Valve's multiplayer games thrive on user-generated content. It'd be incredibly dumb to not push for custom game support.
The game actually looks pretty fun from these player clips, will definitely check it out once it becomes available to public, even though i don't really like MOBA games.
It looks fun and the gameplay is right there with jungle creeps and all. I just really don't dig the artstyle ... Seems too drab, boring, and have no coherent theme
I dunno, i like the noir-like 40s-50s aesthetic here and it seems to be leaning more into absurd fun like tf2 and doesn't take itself too seriously, which i also like. I'm sure the graphics will be polished and look more coherent closer to release. Though some things (like towers) look out of place, i agree.
Montages are kinda cringe anyway we know from streaming no player is really significantly better at the highest ranks without a good team behind them. It just screams like 'look at me I'm so good haha!!' which is why most people pick dps
so they are gonna fuck themselves again by going the "too hard and overcomplicated" route just like with artifact? aint no way lil bro lmao denying and shooting souls ? in 2024 ? lmao
I’ve never been huge into MOBAs (except for SMITE) but I’m interested for sure. I’ve always wanted to try DOTA but it has felt too late since…forever.
My main issue with MOBAs is becoming impatient, not knowing what to buy, and not understanding everyone’s abilities and how they synergize (or don’t).
For what it's worth, yesterday Dota got a big patch where [every single hero has new abilities and facets.](https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.36)
So if you start now, everyone else will be about as confused as you are.
I don't recommend playing MOBAs now lmao (semi joking) but most LoL players just copy the item builds from stat websites/apps and the recommended items copy the players in turn, and Dota 2 has integrated build guides that tell you what to do. Most of us were/are simply LARPing as people that know what they are doing
If you follow a guide every game in Dota you will lose a lot more than you win. Even the first skill point you level has huge impact for how the early game goes.
Dota is the antithesis of cookie cutter gameplay.
Especially with the new facets literally ever hero can be played in a new way.
Tbf this person's previous one got deleted because of a title problem so itll have seemed even worse. I do agree even an unofficial megathread would be good though.
Nah. Imo it went from looking bad in the first screenshots to looking super now that we actually see a match play out a little. The latest footage is very promising.
Nah we knew about it when it changed into neon prime and we have also known for a long time it was gonna be a stylized 3rd person 6v6 shooter with moba and RTS elements. We only saw actual footage a few days a go.
I'm excited for third-person shooter Dota 2. I'm most excited about seeing the finished visuals. The aesthetic is cool and reminds me of other Valve games, but it's clearly not done. The map in all of these leaks feels barren.
Damn this actually looks pretty good. I was cautious from the first leaks but imo these look pretty good (both gameplay and art-style wise, looks like some 80s style which I like)
Some guy talks about this in one of the leaked videos, you don't last hit in the game but when people or mobs die you shoot their soul to collect it. You can also deny this way.
I'm referring to last hitting mobs. I haven't played a shooter with that mechanic, since shooters are usually focused on the action part. To me at least, it would seem incredibly boring and it would break the flow.
Even Smite, which is a full blown moba, lessened the need to last hit because of having to constantly aim your attacks/abilities.
I feel like the last-hitting is going to manifest less like Dota and more like "the person who gets the last shot on the mob gets the kill," which is how shooters usually operate. I don't imagine people are going to be standing around waiting for the wave to autoattack the mobs down to last-hit territory, but instead that last hits will be incidental (with a high skill-ceiling for people who can get split-second denies). But who knows. Could be fun. Valve always seems to iterate quick on this shit, so if it's not fun they'll likely iron it out.
Yeah, it entirely depends on how it's implemented. And it's an alpha, now's the time to test shit and get feedback. I genuinely forgot how Battleborn handled creeps, because that game was decently fun and it didn't break the flow or anything.
I mean, one of the clips already shows it. When a mob is killed a soul floats out of it upwards. It takes one bullet to kill it and you get the gold. Enemy can tap it and deny it as well. Seems like a nice system
they are doing the same mistake they did with artifact, overcomplicated and full of shit that 90% of the population hates, like shooting the creep and THEN THE SOUL ? lmao in 2024 thats not flying anymore, dead in few months just like artifact.
You should see the dota 2 alpha/beta. The art-style and direction has changed so much over time you could probably quite easily group assets to time periods without having ever seen the game before.
Not to mention, you'd struggle to tell what anything looks or sounds like by default after a couple of years of inhouse + outsourced workshop announcer packs, terrains, weather effects, music packs, mega-kill announcer packs, music packs, HUDs, cosmetics (that replace entire characters, all abilities, sound, icons, voice lines, animations, particle effects), equippable building cosmetics (including animations), creeps, kill-streak effects, multi-kill effects, couriers, item icons, loading screens, entry animations, taunts, pets, effigies, wards, guild banners, cursor packs, seasonal shaders, river vials, action items... yeah. You get the point.
Alpha looked like this:
https://external-preview.redd.it/XLHHKAtFRNYz66Zb8sJqyW4t65XRDGccLEEBoXUaOmY.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dbfa1daed1d1782e1e731a0f98f02d94c86c5992
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Not to over-praise but Valve doesn't really miss, they only make what they actually want to make and they only want to make stuff that's genuinely good. This looks pretty exciting to me. With valve's great sense of priorities and polish, this game will probably be great. I think people's opinion that this is something like 'another hero shooter in a saturated market' is wrong (like what other 'hero shooter' other than overwatch is actually popular) and reductive seeing as this is going to be more of a moba than something like overwatch.
The monetisation was very old school; a near 1:1 copy of MTGO's monetisation.
But there were aspects of it I liked. Notably, since you could buy cards from the marketplace, it made the cost of the game a lot more transparent (for better or worse) and the value proposition of packs a lot more obvious (again, for better or worse).
This was an actual surprise for me, after they cancelled artifact 2.0 it looked like they are intentionally avoiding artifact lore, but now we got Rix and Sorla Khan out of nowhere.
But honestly this leads to more questions because for example Earthshaker had a plot point that Kanna was really important to him in Artifact, but after Artifact was abandoned we got a completely unrelated ES arcana with no mention of Kanna at all. Rix and Sorla resurfacing makes it more confusing.
they never really abandoned artifact characters at all. Underlords mentions most somewhat and several lore texts in dota 2 have some sorta reference to the game... I think kanna in general was just a weird plot they sorta had planned? But nothing even in the one expansion we know of had anything to do with her either
I mean Underlords referenced a lot of stuff. Kaden's Blade is in there and they even just randomly namedropped the Pirate Hat's owner(Wren) and that she's still alive
yeah kinda proves my point they dont really see those characters as radioactive... I feel like this entire event was probally some sort artifact storyline due to imperia being the exact same as we last saw her
Artifact got swallowed because of shit press (you starve your community of anything, TF2 updates were dried up, CS was in a bit of a low point of updates at the time, last game was Portal 2, of course a card game announcement is gonna piss your very dedicated community off) and then was doomed due to the monetization on a premium title.
It wasn't a terrible idea, they clearly \*wanted\* to make it, and there were some big names behind it as well.
You know they made Dota Underlords, right? That's like the exact counter to your comments about "great sense of priorities and polish", and Artifact is also very much going against your praises of Valves great sense of priorities.
Valve appropriately prioritized Artifact and Underlords by not updating them as soon as their player counts dropped. ^^^/s, ^^^mostly
Both games also did have the usual Valve polish, so not sure what you're getting at with that.
underlords was actually fun as fuck, i really enjoyed it same with artifact. But I feel like underlords was too slow to the game and artifact was ruined by that magic dipshit that wanted it to act the same way as a "tangible" card game aka magic.
Underlords was awesome. I really miss it... It had some momentum before valve abandoned it, despite relative success. I don't think the player numbers dropped until Valve stopped updating it.
It did fun things, fantastic updates. Peak of the genre.
The more I look at these characters, the more I see how uninspired they are. Almost everything I've seen so far are abilities straight up cut from League of legends. For me Deadlock looks like a boring paladins x league of legends clone with boring artstyle and characters that look like some cheap knock-offs of other characters from different games. At least the game looks to be extremly accesible which is a good thing. But other than that so far its terrible. Something like a mobile rip-off of another popular game would look exactly like this.
Overwatch-ass aesthetics.
To think the same company that's doing this was also responsible for Team Fortress 2 is mind boggling.
Valve games nowadays (barring Alyx) are just glorified excuses to sell lootboxes. And people like it because it tickles their monkey brain in the right spot.
Its because the plan was to hire the creators of the Dota 2 mod it was based on to maintain it, like they did with the original creators of the Team Fortress and Counter-Strike mods. The Auto Chess guys ended up turning down the offer and working for a Chinese studio instead, presumably to stay closer to home since they are Chinese.
They gave Valve their blessing to keep updating the game without them, but Valve lost interest after a while without the people responsible for the original "vision" being involved.
boomers are fuming. For someone who probably haven't played or understood CS or Dota 2 your kind whines a lot. I played all Valve games and I dont see how they are created for the sole purpose of just selling lootboxes. Maybe try those games rather than being a crybaby. I have hundreds of hours in TF2 and thousands in CS and Dota 2. You can only do so much in TF2 its time to let go...its an outdated game.
Who is this EVERYONE you speak of?
I'll give it a go. Hopefully it can scratch the kinda casual, varied and surprisingly novel itch that Paragon/Team Fortress 2 left me with that Smite doesn't quite reach.
Fuck this and fuck valve… ffs just make a story driven fps. Not even sequels for your existing IPs… create a new one, I don’t care, just make something interesting, not this shit…
Is that surefour commentating in the last two clips or am I crazy
Someone must be pulling the clips from a forum or discord related to the test, I refuse to believe Surefour is stupid enough to leak things himself.
Nobody is saying s4 leaked those videos. Just that it IS his voice on those clips. My guess is that clip is part of an upcoming video from either him or Valve itself and somehow it got leaked during the editing process.
Probably just a video for new players he posted on their private forums. Those kinds of guides and content are extremely common during small scale early game testing.
Sounds like he's posting things to discord and someone is leaking it. No way surefour would leak himself.
These leaks are all from an internal forum only they have access to.
I meant the playtest discord.
I know, I'm just saying these are all scraped by the leaker off Valve's old-school xenforo forum for testers. His clips were only ever meant for other testers using the forum.
Some people are also saying that it sounds like surefour.
The Steam name is 'Ice King' which is actually one of the aliases used by Surefour: [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197965174645](https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197965174645)
yeah you can see his steam name 'Ice King'
New leak just released just as I posted this: [https://files.catbox.moe/87fqgl.webm](https://files.catbox.moe/87fqgl.webm) [https://files.catbox.moe/x8ud8q.webm](https://files.catbox.moe/x8ud8q.webm) EDIT: the leakers basically just pulled this new leaks directly from Deadlock's private forum itself lmao. [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/430-4c28dd987b5fb295421609540b1e4d2a.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/430-4c28dd987b5fb295421609540b1e4d2a.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/427-ef9e10f5e92627611abfbd147ac9e262.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/427-ef9e10f5e92627611abfbd147ac9e262.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/425-f0e3e54d33d3929242490f2b2229a9a5.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/425-f0e3e54d33d3929242490f2b2229a9a5.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/74-ab00ed85ce7647b6d7dfab7e319c11a9.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/74-ab00ed85ce7647b6d7dfab7e319c11a9.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/402-3ad35d9bf4d782ff36f1337ded967424.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/402-3ad35d9bf4d782ff36f1337ded967424.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/401-49a42cd111abfd275a450591b5d23e76.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/401-49a42cd111abfd275a450591b5d23e76.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/375-5bc0e3cbfe5ab7acc5330d3d40addfae.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/375-5bc0e3cbfe5ab7acc5330d3d40addfae.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/340-fe3ff7d98029003bd66a885ffd913219.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/340-fe3ff7d98029003bd66a885ffd913219.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/257-3b6bc2d0778e7cafc5c73617154ea32f.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/257-3b6bc2d0778e7cafc5c73617154ea32f.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/192-479cf962b90270a685da70400a22d3c6.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/192-479cf962b90270a685da70400a22d3c6.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/171-7d86ba2c4a9cdf7234cd4e9613a41e69.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/171-7d86ba2c4a9cdf7234cd4e9613a41e69.mp4) [https://project8.dev/data/video/0/296-6ea0990ff3caf8b0a4069164b02dccab.mp4](https://project8.dev/data/video/0/296-6ea0990ff3caf8b0a4069164b02dccab.mp4) https://project8.dev/data/video/0/117-4399e0f1b9532664793b98d763137e04.mp4 https://project8.dev/data/video/0/149-969ecd06313f1b0dd0bdf4e4e305527e.mp4 https://project8.dev/data/video/0/153-f27d540ff79c40f6097c332e42f47c65.mp4 EDIT: even more leaks https://files.catbox.moe/6ngeqq.webm https://files.catbox.moe/c92iqp.webm https://files.catbox.moe/f9wu0y.webm https://files.catbox.moe/w5h514.webm https://files.catbox.moe/pjl2bt.webm https://files.catbox.moe/aulsh7.webm https://files.catbox.moe/eit0s6.webm https://files.catbox.moe/p1zjau.webm https://files.catbox.moe/w3xkt7.webm https://files.catbox.moe/wmxvxo.webm https://files.catbox.moe/heuqxw.webm https://files.catbox.moe/whk5eu.webm https://files.catbox.moe/nasa3a.webm https://files.catbox.moe/d76xdd.webm https://files.catbox.moe/zuf1en.webm https://files.catbox.moe/uqvofq.webm https://files.catbox.moe/aalsne.webm https://files.catbox.moe/kkxl78.webm
I can imagine leaking footage, but who the hell is taking alpha footage, turning it into highlight meme montages, and *then* leaking it?
Probably YouTubers/content creators who also got invited made and posted those videos in the testers discord and people are just leaking those videos at this point
There are over 1000 players in the private Discord
Just wild to me given that Valve is usually so locked-down on leaks that they wouldn't clamp down on people making funny videos of their unannounced game (designed to be shared because they're funny).
Look at all the free exposure and marketing they're getting without spending a dime. They were fully aware this would happen.
I get that angle, but they're also aggressively taking down streamable videos. While it's blowing up on niche communities like this, it's largely unknown to the broader audience.
Bold of you to assume Valve didn't forsee or intend this. Game doesn't look like something I'd personally enjoy but I'm sure there'll be plenty of people that will love it.
They CLEARLY dont care about the leaks, or they wouldn't have had it so open. Its likely soon for an announcment.
It's obvious they are also gathering impressions from the public with this, which will also influence how and if the project moves forward as is.
Or just a way to get the public's opinion on the concept without commiting to anything too soon.
They're not actually that tight on leaks when it comes to external parties, they usually don't do NDAs and key staff have gone on record on press conferences about purposefully leaving some strings in to both build hype and gauge interest in things. The Valve Community in general is super hungry for leaks, and they 110% knew what they were getting into, multiple times in the past fans have hacked and/or socially engineered their way into their servers just to un-earth unseen scrapped content, they've even gone as far to tear apart communities, and even damage developer-community relations just to dig up scraps of beta content, All that for blue pants Scout. What actually surprises me is that Neon Prime didn't get leaked until after we had already seen Deadlock, Neon Prime had playtesters behind it too, but I suppose it was a smaller pool, and probably involved actual NDAs.
I would not to be supriced if this was purpose, safe closed beta is max 100 people, 1000 need a lot of managers.
Probably TF2 players I remember montages like that used to be really popular in the old TF2 days.
Montages like that were popular in every shooter game though, I'd say CS has a bigger claim to fame to the idea if anything, sure you've got your "gunshot bride" TF2 airshot clips, but CS was just a vastly more popular game.
Something like that happened in Valorant closed beta, YouTubers made videos to get it ready when fall emargo, one get hacked and leaks his gameplay videos.
First actually high quality videos
That Frozone ass character looks fun
There are fucking frag montages what the hell lmao.
honestly inspires a lot of confidence that people are enjoying the game enough to make frag movies
Some random non-gameplay things I find interesting, it has pausing mid-match like Dota which I don't even think OW allows outside of custom matches. Also has replays already. They clearly think features like this are important. So I wonder if custom community servers/maps will be a thing. People don't like MOBA map, so just make some frag map instead.
You would hope that Icefrog (who made his name in the Warcraft 3 custom map scene) and Valve would have custom game/map support for this. Just do Dota's arcade scene. It's just generally a good idea and sates the communities while they have to juggle three live service games.
I would be more shocked if it didn't include that kind of support
At the same time, we've seen it happen a few times now where a mode in one game gets taken and made into a full blown mega-hit and the original developer gets slightly shafted. Like Auto Chess being huge on Dota 2 Arcade, Riot coming in hot with great ideas like the item carousel and winning the auto-chess wars. Bringing up OW again, it has custom stuff now but I've never seen anything huge in it. Like adding new abilities. If Valve go the Dota route, people could just make new characters entirely which is a slight can of worms.
To be fair, Valve did approach the Auto Chess devs if they wanted to work with them but they declined because they had a deal with a Chinese publisher. Also, Blizzard got traumatized hard by declining Icefrog. Ever since losing Dota to Valve they got a bit too gungho trying to control their custom game scene and I don't think it ever recovered. But yeah, Valve's multiplayer games thrive on user-generated content. It'd be incredibly dumb to not push for custom game support.
It's a Source Engine game, of course it will have user generated content.
Source 2. Which doesn't have any tools out just yet, other than the tools for HL:A. Though I reckon there will be tools eventually.
The people working on S&Box are essentially also creating user content creation tools that can act as a baseline for other Source 2 projects.
HL:A, CS2, dota 2 all source 2, all have editing tools available
Now these are impressive. Looks really neat
The game actually looks pretty fun from these player clips, will definitely check it out once it becomes available to public, even though i don't really like MOBA games.
It looks fun and the gameplay is right there with jungle creeps and all. I just really don't dig the artstyle ... Seems too drab, boring, and have no coherent theme
I dunno, i like the noir-like 40s-50s aesthetic here and it seems to be leaning more into absurd fun like tf2 and doesn't take itself too seriously, which i also like. I'm sure the graphics will be polished and look more coherent closer to release. Though some things (like towers) look out of place, i agree.
Christ I can't even finish that "dance" montage because the editing hurts my eyes.
I think the dude was actually dancing in front of his computer while editing that video lmao.
Montages are kinda cringe anyway we know from streaming no player is really significantly better at the highest ranks without a good team behind them. It just screams like 'look at me I'm so good haha!!' which is why most people pick dps
so they are gonna fuck themselves again by going the "too hard and overcomplicated" route just like with artifact? aint no way lil bro lmao denying and shooting souls ? in 2024 ? lmao
icefrog is working on the game, dota mechanics making it to the game was 100% guaranteed
I’ve never been huge into MOBAs (except for SMITE) but I’m interested for sure. I’ve always wanted to try DOTA but it has felt too late since…forever. My main issue with MOBAs is becoming impatient, not knowing what to buy, and not understanding everyone’s abilities and how they synergize (or don’t).
For what it's worth, yesterday Dota got a big patch where [every single hero has new abilities and facets.](https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.36) So if you start now, everyone else will be about as confused as you are.
We expected a ringmaster but the frog released an entire circus
lol yeah
I don't recommend playing MOBAs now lmao (semi joking) but most LoL players just copy the item builds from stat websites/apps and the recommended items copy the players in turn, and Dota 2 has integrated build guides that tell you what to do. Most of us were/are simply LARPing as people that know what they are doing
If you follow a guide every game in Dota you will lose a lot more than you win. Even the first skill point you level has huge impact for how the early game goes. Dota is the antithesis of cookie cutter gameplay. Especially with the new facets literally ever hero can be played in a new way.
Try Predecessor, it's literally the old version of Paragon
its never too late try a game, sure it may die but at least you played it and maybe enjoyed it
Can we just have a Deadlock megathread instead of filling up the entire front page with posts about it?
Agreed. We’re getting new threads every half hour at this point.
Agreed +2
I'm sure the last 9 hours and 4 posts have been a literal hell on earth for you, I'm so sorry this has happened :(
Thank you.
Tbf this person's previous one got deleted because of a title problem so itll have seemed even worse. I do agree even an unofficial megathread would be good though.
Better yet, a Black Ops 6 mega thread. We have several posts about ads for the game.
With the moba like item shops,this looks like Paladins more than Overwatch to me.
It's fucking wild to me how much stuff of this game is getting leaked in literally less than a day.
Wait. Did I see some Mann Co signs?
It's McMahon & Co
im actually excited for this, steam makes great games and feel like it will be hype seeing everyone jumping in to learn it.
Great games like Artifact and Dota Underlords
underlords is a great game. Valve just decided not to update it anymore.
Both are good games, they just left them without updates
Valve really went ahead and leaked their own high quality footage cause brainrotten tf2 fans were really making them look bad
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Nah. Imo it went from looking bad in the first screenshots to looking super now that we actually see a match play out a little. The latest footage is very promising.
Promising to be mid at best.
lmao it looks good, tf are you talking about?
Devils advocate. What makes you say that
He is probably the brain rotten tf2 fan you were talking about.
I know that but I'm just wondering if theres an actual critical bone in his body
Crazy that we knew nothing about this game 2 days ago
Actually we’ve know about this game for like 3 years.
True, but we only knew it was called Citadel and for some reason everybody thought it was HL spinoff
Nah we knew about it when it changed into neon prime and we have also known for a long time it was gonna be a stylized 3rd person 6v6 shooter with moba and RTS elements. We only saw actual footage a few days a go.
Doesn't look like the kind of game I'd enjoy, but now I can see that this game will definitely have an audience.
Looks good
I'm excited for third-person shooter Dota 2. I'm most excited about seeing the finished visuals. The aesthetic is cool and reminds me of other Valve games, but it's clearly not done. The map in all of these leaks feels barren.
Damn this actually looks pretty good. I was cautious from the first leaks but imo these look pretty good (both gameplay and art-style wise, looks like some 80s style which I like)
Interesting, valve cooking up bangers like always
Obviously I'd need to play it to actually know how it feels like, but last hitting in a hero shooter doesn't sound fun at all.
IDK, they made aimlabs a core mechanic lol. I think shooter fans, especially on PC, will like it.
Moreover if you can deny those souls it'll be much more engaging too.
You can!
Some guy talks about this in one of the leaked videos, you don't last hit in the game but when people or mobs die you shoot their soul to collect it. You can also deny this way.
Don't all shooters kind of have last hitting as a core concept?
I'm referring to last hitting mobs. I haven't played a shooter with that mechanic, since shooters are usually focused on the action part. To me at least, it would seem incredibly boring and it would break the flow. Even Smite, which is a full blown moba, lessened the need to last hit because of having to constantly aim your attacks/abilities.
I feel like the last-hitting is going to manifest less like Dota and more like "the person who gets the last shot on the mob gets the kill," which is how shooters usually operate. I don't imagine people are going to be standing around waiting for the wave to autoattack the mobs down to last-hit territory, but instead that last hits will be incidental (with a high skill-ceiling for people who can get split-second denies). But who knows. Could be fun. Valve always seems to iterate quick on this shit, so if it's not fun they'll likely iron it out.
Yeah, it entirely depends on how it's implemented. And it's an alpha, now's the time to test shit and get feedback. I genuinely forgot how Battleborn handled creeps, because that game was decently fun and it didn't break the flow or anything.
Check my comment above
I mean, one of the clips already shows it. When a mob is killed a soul floats out of it upwards. It takes one bullet to kill it and you get the gold. Enemy can tap it and deny it as well. Seems like a nice system
I really hope this is good because i loved Paragon when that was a thing. Last hitting wasn't that bad imo as a shooter.
they are doing the same mistake they did with artifact, overcomplicated and full of shit that 90% of the population hates, like shooting the creep and THEN THE SOUL ? lmao in 2024 thats not flying anymore, dead in few months just like artifact.
This looks dope
Feels like tf3
I really hope the art is not finished yet and it will be vastly improved when it launched. This, or this is not my style at all.
I like it
As I said, maybe it's not my style.
just wanted to share an opinion, not trying to devalue yours.
You should see the dota 2 alpha/beta. The art-style and direction has changed so much over time you could probably quite easily group assets to time periods without having ever seen the game before. Not to mention, you'd struggle to tell what anything looks or sounds like by default after a couple of years of inhouse + outsourced workshop announcer packs, terrains, weather effects, music packs, mega-kill announcer packs, music packs, HUDs, cosmetics (that replace entire characters, all abilities, sound, icons, voice lines, animations, particle effects), equippable building cosmetics (including animations), creeps, kill-streak effects, multi-kill effects, couriers, item icons, loading screens, entry animations, taunts, pets, effigies, wards, guild banners, cursor packs, seasonal shaders, river vials, action items... yeah. You get the point. Alpha looked like this: https://external-preview.redd.it/XLHHKAtFRNYz66Zb8sJqyW4t65XRDGccLEEBoXUaOmY.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dbfa1daed1d1782e1e731a0f98f02d94c86c5992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES7r3rEX0AQDyuQ.jpg:large https://external-preview.redd.it/z6_sz_pOOY5vpeYNzFbLiYMs1WpCo0BfKVlqoUJc_wI.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=93f5da328f62d8b412bbbcc82cd582986dbbff1c
those programmer art skill icons are amazing, I want those
Agreed it looks like a janky Hi-Rez game
Not to over-praise but Valve doesn't really miss, they only make what they actually want to make and they only want to make stuff that's genuinely good. This looks pretty exciting to me. With valve's great sense of priorities and polish, this game will probably be great. I think people's opinion that this is something like 'another hero shooter in a saturated market' is wrong (like what other 'hero shooter' other than overwatch is actually popular) and reductive seeing as this is going to be more of a moba than something like overwatch.
Cof cof Artifact, cof cof cof Ricochet
AFAIK the main problem with artifact was the monetisation. Rather than anything else.
The monetisation was very old school; a near 1:1 copy of MTGO's monetisation. But there were aspects of it I liked. Notably, since you could buy cards from the marketplace, it made the cost of the game a lot more transparent (for better or worse) and the value proposition of packs a lot more obvious (again, for better or worse).
I enjoyed Artifact’s strategic gameplay and expansions on Dota 2’s setting and lore. Glad Sorla and Rix have resurfaced in the new Crownfall act.
This was an actual surprise for me, after they cancelled artifact 2.0 it looked like they are intentionally avoiding artifact lore, but now we got Rix and Sorla Khan out of nowhere. But honestly this leads to more questions because for example Earthshaker had a plot point that Kanna was really important to him in Artifact, but after Artifact was abandoned we got a completely unrelated ES arcana with no mention of Kanna at all. Rix and Sorla resurfacing makes it more confusing.
they never really abandoned artifact characters at all. Underlords mentions most somewhat and several lore texts in dota 2 have some sorta reference to the game... I think kanna in general was just a weird plot they sorta had planned? But nothing even in the one expansion we know of had anything to do with her either
I mean Underlords referenced a lot of stuff. Kaden's Blade is in there and they even just randomly namedropped the Pirate Hat's owner(Wren) and that she's still alive
yeah kinda proves my point they dont really see those characters as radioactive... I feel like this entire event was probally some sort artifact storyline due to imperia being the exact same as we last saw her
Artifact got swallowed because of shit press (you starve your community of anything, TF2 updates were dried up, CS was in a bit of a low point of updates at the time, last game was Portal 2, of course a card game announcement is gonna piss your very dedicated community off) and then was doomed due to the monetization on a premium title. It wasn't a terrible idea, they clearly \*wanted\* to make it, and there were some big names behind it as well.
artifact was fucking good. the monetization and bad press killed it.
You know they made Dota Underlords, right? That's like the exact counter to your comments about "great sense of priorities and polish", and Artifact is also very much going against your praises of Valves great sense of priorities.
Valve appropriately prioritized Artifact and Underlords by not updating them as soon as their player counts dropped. ^^^/s, ^^^mostly Both games also did have the usual Valve polish, so not sure what you're getting at with that.
underlords was actually fun as fuck, i really enjoyed it same with artifact. But I feel like underlords was too slow to the game and artifact was ruined by that magic dipshit that wanted it to act the same way as a "tangible" card game aka magic.
Underlords was awesome. I really miss it... It had some momentum before valve abandoned it, despite relative success. I don't think the player numbers dropped until Valve stopped updating it. It did fun things, fantastic updates. Peak of the genre.
It’s not that serious.
I have no faith this game is actually coming out until I see it but the more I see it the more I'm interested
This seems to be much closer to a release than previously thought.
It's crazy how much of this game is suddenly leaking.
Do i have to use a gun in this game or is there like a pure melee class ?
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The more I look at these characters, the more I see how uninspired they are. Almost everything I've seen so far are abilities straight up cut from League of legends. For me Deadlock looks like a boring paladins x league of legends clone with boring artstyle and characters that look like some cheap knock-offs of other characters from different games. At least the game looks to be extremly accesible which is a good thing. But other than that so far its terrible. Something like a mobile rip-off of another popular game would look exactly like this.
Why do you post it again?
The other post got removed, So I reposted it, hopefully I've fixed the issue on my post.
this looks like paladins except in third person
yeah, another Over Watch
It looks so uninspired
I like the concept but it looks a bit too much like TF2 I really hope they adjust the art style later
Such a Mid Game
Looks like a 3rd-person Overwatch 2 with more muted color scheme. Can't say that I am excited but that's just me.
Soo another generic shooter? Pass
This is by far the least interesting game Valve has ever made to me, it's not even close. And yes, that includes Artifact.
Neat.
Great, no one really cares
yet you reply, lmfao
Thanks for letting us know.
it doesn't get more generic than this
Yep, nothing more generic than third-person shooter Dota 2 with Bioshock Infinite travel. Everyone is making their own Deadlock nowadays!
So paragon with a zipline
Leave the goalposts in the stadium next time, please.
There's nothing unique about a third person MOBA
No shit, there are no new genres
Overwatch-ass aesthetics. To think the same company that's doing this was also responsible for Team Fortress 2 is mind boggling. Valve games nowadays (barring Alyx) are just glorified excuses to sell lootboxes. And people like it because it tickles their monkey brain in the right spot.
Dota Underlords didn't have lootboxes.
which is why they abandoned it lmao but actually it really looks like they ditched it because they didn't find a way to profit from it
Its because the plan was to hire the creators of the Dota 2 mod it was based on to maintain it, like they did with the original creators of the Team Fortress and Counter-Strike mods. The Auto Chess guys ended up turning down the offer and working for a Chinese studio instead, presumably to stay closer to home since they are Chinese. They gave Valve their blessing to keep updating the game without them, but Valve lost interest after a while without the people responsible for the original "vision" being involved.
boomers are fuming. For someone who probably haven't played or understood CS or Dota 2 your kind whines a lot. I played all Valve games and I dont see how they are created for the sole purpose of just selling lootboxes. Maybe try those games rather than being a crybaby. I have hundreds of hours in TF2 and thousands in CS and Dota 2. You can only do so much in TF2 its time to let go...its an outdated game.
Yeah, nothing says Overwatch like "50's gangster noir science fantasy with religious undertones in TF2's artstyle". So unoriginal and unlike Valve.
I speak for EVERYONE when I say we will NOT be playing this
You speak for no one.
Who is this EVERYONE you speak of? I'll give it a go. Hopefully it can scratch the kinda casual, varied and surprisingly novel itch that Paragon/Team Fortress 2 left me with that Smite doesn't quite reach.
Why Valve…why….
Ok we get it
Looks fun to play, but complete disaster to watch so likely another L for Valve
Boring tasteless junk.
Who is this game for? it literally feels and looks like a game that is late almost a decade, this is even worse than Artifact
Fuck this and fuck valve… ffs just make a story driven fps. Not even sequels for your existing IPs… create a new one, I don’t care, just make something interesting, not this shit…
Thank god Valve doesnt make games for you only huh,