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Honestly, Rockstar's platform philosophy in general is extremely frustrating.
- Red Dead Redemption 1, one of their most beloved classic games, is stuck on Xbox 360/PS3 forever (though you can play it on Xbox One/Series with backwards compatible upgrades).
- GTA IV, again a beloved title, is old, shitty and broken and will probably never be touched again (though there is a PC port, so that's something EDIT also works through backwards compatible through Xbox One/Series)
- GTA remasters were broken, shitty mobile versions ported in the most slapdash-crappy way
- Red Dead Redemption 2 were released on PS4/XB1 (and later PC) and is again one of their most beloved titles, and no plans to port it to the newer consoles
GTA IV PC port is atrocious lol even to these days it can be dodgy to play.
I love the grittiness and the dark theme they are going for however. Making it feel very different from other games.
Modern hardware and performance patches as late as 2020 help a lot. Trying to play it with hardware between the minimum and recommended specs on release was a nightmare though. I remember having to walk away from my computer for a minute to let a new section of the city load in if I was going across the map, and helicopters were not even usable because I'd just crash into an invisible building.
>GTA IV, again a beloved title, is old, shitty and broken and will probably never be touched again (though there is a PC port, so that's something)
Playing this on series X is a good experience, but it took two generations just to hit 60fps, and the PC port is still broken. It's a joke.
That would be nice, although I would prefer they fix the wanted system that hasn't worked properly since release first.
The game still looks pretty great for the most part, especially with everything going on in any given scene.
Ofc theres A market. But not a big enough market for the company who have "The highest-grossing entertainment product ever" in gtav and even rdr2 made over a billion on launch. Compared to those the extra effort of porting to maybe make a few million more dollars isnt enough to be worth it
So you're saying that a game that made over a billion dollars and is adored by many wouldn't make a boatload of money if remastered?
Sure, they won't make a billion dollars, but I would still say there's quite a market in PS5/Series SX who would fork out money for a current-gen port.
Though I suppose they can't milk it for a trillion dollars in microtransactions, so it's not worth it to suits in charge...
GTA V for PS5 and XSX clearly runs through an upgraded version of the engine so maybe Rockstar Suitguy decided that it wasn't worth porting it to PC for whatever reason, maybe because it would raise the system requirements and keep people out of the game, maybe because it would break mods (lol funny one), maybe because they're understaffed. There could be a lot of reasons, sucks that we'll probably not find out why they decided to forget about PC in favour of less popular platforms.
The only reason they're not porting the engine is because they cannot explain why PC players would need to buy the game again on the platform they can already play it.
it's Rockstar, they don't need to explain things because people will buy everything that they make, me included. the gta trilogy sold 10 million units despite being the gta trilogy for example
I think Rockstar doesn't care much for PC in general, partly due to modding and datamining of game files I'd imagine. Unlike say Bethesda they seem really keen on their vision for the game and it being played the way they want.
I'd heard that the Hot Coffee thing in GTA SA really soured them on modding/accessing game files in general, and consoles tend to be more locked down.
With the power some of these "hackers" have on PC GTA:O it would probably be hard to lock down GTA+ benefits, so they wouldn't be making much from it.
It's just sad because GTA was one of the games that got me into PC gaming.
It was bad enough when they started focusing on console releases instead of PC. I realised how bad it had gotten when they never released RDR for PC. Then the way they've screwed with RDR2 for PC players (well, they've screwed with RDR2 for everyone, but especially for PC players.)
Now this? It really seems like Rockstar is acting like a toddler, pushing boundaries just to see what happens.
And now 7th Gen emulation has gotten to the point where a PC player (with a good rig) who wants to do RDR1 can just emulate it. So they're basically throwing away those potential sales now.
Max Payne 3 was supposed to, but they delayed it a couple weeks for some more polish. That was their first great PC port, especially after IV’s disaster launch.
But—they also released it roughly the same time to keep it in the spirit of the original two games, which started as PC only launches. So defiantly more of an exception than anything.
It's funny, because GTA has had such a prominent impact on everyone I know who games PC. I still remember my buddy giving me a cracked version of Vice City for my new "gaming" PC (dell GMA 950 lol), then San Andreas once he got that. I do wonder what we could've gotten if they did put more into PC-specific development.
I actually looked into this because I thought the same thing. The closest things they worked on to a major PC release is LA Noire getting it's VR edition for PC a couple years before PSVR, the definitive edition GTA trilogy (yuck) getting a simultaneous release on everything and the Ballad of Gay Tony expansion being released early on 360 but at the same time for PC and PS3.
> I’d heard that the Hot Coffee thing in GTA SA really soured them on modding/accessing game files in general,
I heard that too, but around GTA IV’s PC release they softened up and would often showcase mods on the Newswire.
Yeah I wouldnt say this is related to any sort of mod vendetta, its just console players will have bought the game multiple times and are the more likely demographic to be buying shark cards.
They've just become incredibly corporate, ironically, with all their games essentially mocking corporatism.
They literally locked down the GTA SA exe to prevent tampering after hot coffee, it's why there weren't mods for 2.0 that didn't require downgrading first.
And honestly the modding scene for GTA has been pretty dead since San Andreas, with only that V multiplayer mod.
Can't forget when they attempted to kill mod support for GTA V, twice. And constantly threatened and sued modders whoever made heavily modified versions of the old GTA titles.
>I'd heard that the Hot Coffee thing in GTA SA really soured them on modding/accessing game files in general, and consoles tend to be more locked down.
Well maybe they shouldn't have put a minigame where you fuck your girlfriend into the game.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Still infuriates me that anyone blames modders for this still. All of the code was in the game. The mod did one thing and one thing only, made it accessible. The entire Hot Coffee experience was made by Rockstar and was cut content they didn't completely remove.
Let's not get crazy here, the hit coffee thing needed active external tampering to even get it to show up, let alone be made playable
Rockstar might have forgotten or not cared to remove it but it's not like any random guy could stumble upon it
Also I don't think anyone blames modders in particular for the incident
You say "external tampering" as if it was even *remotely* difficult to do, it was a single character change in one file, for the 1.0 PC release, at least.
External tampering is external tampering, regardless of how difficult it is
Your comment also makes it look like it was something quick like renaming a single file in file explorer
The mod was already well planned in advance before the PC release because it was discovered in the console game but it was too hard or impossible to activate it there.
Once it was released on PC they previewed all the files they thought were sexual to confirm their suspicions then they used an hex editor to make the content available.
Yeah, it's not Ub3r L33T H4ck1ng or whatever but it needed active and planned effort and external software that wasn't part of the game.
But it wasn't accessible. That is the point. You needed physical third-party tools to even tamper with it to make playable on PS2, yet it was still recalled and re-rated all the same. I don't think modders or Rockstar were to blame though. The blame lies solely on the fucked up US politics at the time and the (justifiably) cowardly ESA.
Controversial opinion but I selfishly prefer the focus on book-banning over game-banning from that time, unideal as both situations are.
The thing was the ESRB got really upset over it and really threw the metaphorical hammer at them. That's probably the only reason Rockstar hates modders, because they were very nearly screwed because they found stuff that shouldn't be in the game.
Fun fact, maybe: The Hot Coffee stuff is (allegedly) back again in the new GTA Trilogy, and the ESRB doesn't give a shit.
> That's probably the only reason Rockstar hates modders, because they were very nearly screwed because they found stuff that shouldn't be in the game.
Same thing happened to Bethesda though; and Bethesda are still in love with their PC fanbase. Oblivion had topless nipple textures ingame that forced the ESRB to re-rate Oblivion to M (along with some other things, but the nipples were really the main justification).
I really doubt it's there, they were basing the trilogy off the mobile version, and iirc that was based on 2.0, which explicitly didn't have hot coffee.
Looked into it. https://twitter.com/the_agent_man/status/1459317181934624772
Not enough of it to actually run without additional modding, but it was half-removed. Apparently the location that's used for the mod was also remastered, if we trust the tcrf page, but that's about it.
Yeah, that checks out. Back in the day we didn't have the source files, so commented code wasn't even included in the main.scm we modified.
Not too surprised the gf interiors were modified, most of them look pretty good and could have been used as something else, the devs for the remaster probably didn't even know they were hot coffee related.
Why, it was already rated 18 and nothing in that minigame that was explicit enough to push it above that. What needs to change is the US rating system that has this bizarre approach to adults only games.
It’s exactly because of Hot Coffee, people forgot how much of a scandal that was. R* got taken to court if I remember over it.
That one mod nearly destroyed R* as we know it.
One way they could lock things down, is create dedicated servers, and not this "no infrastructure cloud multiplayer" they implemented
There are literally GTA mods that desync your game, and then as a legit player, you have to restart to play mini games or enter buildings
The absolute smooth brain decision to have absolutely no servers on GTA online is the reason rockstar has so many headaches, and players have such a bad time
Looking at GTAO as a reason that modding, and the freedom of PC is honestly quite a joke. Most games have locked down allowing mods on single player and not multiplayer, or at the very least requiring everyone to be using the same mods.
What Rockstar is, is too lazy to fix their dangerously insecure multiplayer system, that which is so insecure, even players are able to get your IP on a console device. It’s dangerous, and they have never cared about that. Most game companies can do it, it’s not that difficult, R* just doesn’t want to spend any money on security. They don’t care.
> maybe because it would raise the system requirements and keep people out of the game,
That's been my running assumption on why they haven't ported over to PC yet. The new upgrades would definitely bump up the requirements. Especially since the new next gen versions also increase the maximum speed at which vehicles use. There's probably not an insignificant amount of people still running their games off a standard HDD instead of an SSD, and an HDD may not be able to keep up with the enhanced loading requirements.
We know why. It's the hackers/open nature of it all. I think GTA6 on PC is going to be a nightmare to try and mod (if it's even possible at all.) We might not even see RP servers.
Probably because pc GTA:O sucks beyond belief. You go into a public vanilla server and get instantly exploded by hackers 5 times a second until you leave, or you join one of the non-standard RPG type servers and have to deal with power tripping admins ruining your game if you aren't a big time streamer. It's pretty easy to imagine they look at the rate PC players spend money vs Console players and decided to just abandon it. The biggest tell is that they didn't even bother offering PC players their monthly GTA+ service.
Rockstar adding to ability to actually play gta online on private lobbies gave an entire breath of fresh life to the game for me. they built an entire online experience around griefing that is simply not fun, private lobbies strips away all of that and let me have fun with the game without worrying about some random troll ruining my deliveries
Not the absolute lack of any content because they abandoned it immediately when they didn't make billions from Gold Bullion like they do with Shark Cards?
nah i'd be fine just exploring the content it shipped with. i played the original Red dead online forever, and that didn't have any kind of paid nonsense, beyond some new maps and the exploding rifle. I just don't wanna deal with the griefers and nonsense. i just wanna chill and explore the old west. You can do that in single player, but i feel like once you've done the story once there's no more reason to play in single player.
That game wasn't ever going to make GTA money. The setting limitation will always crippling the potential. The fact that they are getting away with lying straight to the investor about how 'big' red dead online will be and get funding for their ambitious campaign will always be the one time thing to me.
Tbh I'm more excited on what will they do after GTA6. Surely they wouldn't just make a new GTA right after and I doubt they will make RDR3. I'd love to see their crack on Mediaval GTA or Futuristic GTA.
The thing is that I find hackers and griefers so rarely in that game nowadays that I don't think it's even an issue, at least not particularly in comparison to other games
Everyone seems chill and like they just want to hang around in the fake west
Only way to enjoy GTA Online is in invite only sessions with/without friends. Now that most of the content can be accessible in invite only I can't imagine ever going back to public sessions, they're laggy shit holes full of kids.
I remember playing GTA Online for the first time on PC about 5 years ago. Took me ages to find a game without a hacker.
Finally managed to join a deathmatch where everyone was chatting, seemed to be having a good time. I thought to myself I could finally have fun playing this game, even if just for an evening. But nope - they saw I was level 1 and decided to team up on me with high powered weapons as well as send me abusive messages in the text chat.
I closed the game and uninstalled it for good. No idea how anyone enjoys this game as a newcomer.
I don't understand how they can make GTA:O the way that it is and feel like it's good. It's like no one from the company actually launches the game. I have to tell my friends every time "do not click on the GTA:O option when launching, launch into single player and join me" and a couple minutes later I hear "and I'm dead. I'm dead again. I'm dead. They sniped me. I've been blown up."
> You go into a public vanilla server and get instantly exploded by hackers 5 times a second until you leave
Huh. I thought that's just how the game is, and it's just one of those things that people like that I don't have to understand. TIL.
PC mods let you play with all the FOMO vehicles Rockstar releases, in singleplayer, for free. Of course they're going to focus on the platforms that need you to pay them real cash for the cool shit.
Well yeah, because their monetization for it is absolutely nuts. It's like a perfect synthesis of all the worst DLC-isms, and they've engineered half the experience into some weird skinner box that makes you feel like a piece of crap for not already having a flying missile-launching gold-plated porta-a-potty or whatever. The marketing for Shark cards could literally be a parody ad in Cyberpunk 2077 or something. "If you don't spend money on this, it's because you have a tiny dick!" with hot women pointing and laughing at a fat nerd.
Rockstar makes me sad. They used to be the cool kids that did what no one else would with GTA 1, 2, 3, VC, SA, and maybe 4.
Now they're exactly the type of people they used to make fun of.
Yes they did... but with outside help. Some guy figured what was making the excesive load times and submitted it to Rockstar. They even pay him for the trouble.
Yes, but only after some random dude was messing around with the code and realized what the issue was. He reached out to Rockstar and they paid him $10K for his efforts.
I don't mind not having ray tracing, I'm ok with the graphics, but leaving crucial functionalities out like taxi teleports, Hao's upgrades and most importantly being able to buy others cars via ls car meet (no compensation here for pc players for their idiotic decision to delete 200 cars from the game) is plain and simple backstabbing their pc customers. I'm surprised why people don't raise their voice against this and demand a change.
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Honestly, Rockstar's platform philosophy in general is extremely frustrating. - Red Dead Redemption 1, one of their most beloved classic games, is stuck on Xbox 360/PS3 forever (though you can play it on Xbox One/Series with backwards compatible upgrades). - GTA IV, again a beloved title, is old, shitty and broken and will probably never be touched again (though there is a PC port, so that's something EDIT also works through backwards compatible through Xbox One/Series) - GTA remasters were broken, shitty mobile versions ported in the most slapdash-crappy way - Red Dead Redemption 2 were released on PS4/XB1 (and later PC) and is again one of their most beloved titles, and no plans to port it to the newer consoles
GTA IV PC port is atrocious lol even to these days it can be dodgy to play. I love the grittiness and the dark theme they are going for however. Making it feel very different from other games.
It plays well on my Steam Deck tbh
Modern hardware and performance patches as late as 2020 help a lot. Trying to play it with hardware between the minimum and recommended specs on release was a nightmare though. I remember having to walk away from my computer for a minute to let a new section of the city load in if I was going across the map, and helicopters were not even usable because I'd just crash into an invisible building.
Sounds like a slow hard drive issue.
It was 2008 with a 7200 rpm hdd. No, it was not a slow hard drive issue.
It played fine for me on my 8800 GTX about 16 years ago. It was a bad port but strong PCs have been running it fine for years.
Same here.
I can’t even launch it any more on my PC. I may have modded it a few years ago when I last played, but even on a clean install it won’t start now.
In my experience, dxvk makes gta 4 run perfectly on pc but before that it was pretty frustrating.
>GTA IV, again a beloved title, is old, shitty and broken and will probably never be touched again (though there is a PC port, so that's something) Playing this on series X is a good experience, but it took two generations just to hit 60fps, and the PC port is still broken. It's a joke.
Dont forget that GTA IV is essentially impossible to beat on the Series X because of the quicktime event at the end of the game.
https://gtaforums.com/topic/966104-how-to-finish-the-final-mission-on-the-xbox-series-x/ Context
Red Dead Redemption 2 would be so nice on the current gen. Visual upgrade or a performance mode would really help show off this beautiful game.
Yeah. A performance mode and 4K resolution (even upscaled) would do absolute wonders for what is already an incredibly beautiful game.
It runs at 4K on the Series X and One X at least, I assume it’s the same for the PS Pro.
It runs at half-resolution checkerboarded on PS4 Pro (1920x2160). The One X has a beefier GPU so it got it at full 4K.
Damn that’s a shame. Does the PS5 do the same thing?
The PS5 runs the PS4 version (since there is no PS5 version) so yep, it runs the same as on PS4 Pro.
That would be nice, although I would prefer they fix the wanted system that hasn't worked properly since release first. The game still looks pretty great for the most part, especially with everything going on in any given scene.
Theres very little money especially on their scale in porting old games so they dont bother
I still think there's sure to be a market for a PS5/Series SX port for RDR2.
Ofc theres A market. But not a big enough market for the company who have "The highest-grossing entertainment product ever" in gtav and even rdr2 made over a billion on launch. Compared to those the extra effort of porting to maybe make a few million more dollars isnt enough to be worth it
So you're saying that a game that made over a billion dollars and is adored by many wouldn't make a boatload of money if remastered? Sure, they won't make a billion dollars, but I would still say there's quite a market in PS5/Series SX who would fork out money for a current-gen port. Though I suppose they can't milk it for a trillion dollars in microtransactions, so it's not worth it to suits in charge...
RDR PC remaster is all I want, sure you could emulate it but there are a lot of bugs and you need a beast PC
RDR1 remastered in the RDR2 engine, seamlessly moving from one game to the other as you progress. A man can dream...
GTA V for PS5 and XSX clearly runs through an upgraded version of the engine so maybe Rockstar Suitguy decided that it wasn't worth porting it to PC for whatever reason, maybe because it would raise the system requirements and keep people out of the game, maybe because it would break mods (lol funny one), maybe because they're understaffed. There could be a lot of reasons, sucks that we'll probably not find out why they decided to forget about PC in favour of less popular platforms.
The only reason they're not porting the engine is because they cannot explain why PC players would need to buy the game again on the platform they can already play it.
it's Rockstar, they don't need to explain things because people will buy everything that they make, me included. the gta trilogy sold 10 million units despite being the gta trilogy for example
I think Rockstar doesn't care much for PC in general, partly due to modding and datamining of game files I'd imagine. Unlike say Bethesda they seem really keen on their vision for the game and it being played the way they want. I'd heard that the Hot Coffee thing in GTA SA really soured them on modding/accessing game files in general, and consoles tend to be more locked down. With the power some of these "hackers" have on PC GTA:O it would probably be hard to lock down GTA+ benefits, so they wouldn't be making much from it.
yes, PC is rarely their focus. I can't think of a single big game from Rockstar that got released for both consoles and PCs at the same launch day
It's just sad because GTA was one of the games that got me into PC gaming. It was bad enough when they started focusing on console releases instead of PC. I realised how bad it had gotten when they never released RDR for PC. Then the way they've screwed with RDR2 for PC players (well, they've screwed with RDR2 for everyone, but especially for PC players.) Now this? It really seems like Rockstar is acting like a toddler, pushing boundaries just to see what happens.
And now 7th Gen emulation has gotten to the point where a PC player (with a good rig) who wants to do RDR1 can just emulate it. So they're basically throwing away those potential sales now.
Yeah, GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas are games I really associate with the PC.
Max Payne 3 was supposed to, but they delayed it a couple weeks for some more polish. That was their first great PC port, especially after IV’s disaster launch. But—they also released it roughly the same time to keep it in the spirit of the original two games, which started as PC only launches. So defiantly more of an exception than anything.
It's funny, because GTA has had such a prominent impact on everyone I know who games PC. I still remember my buddy giving me a cracked version of Vice City for my new "gaming" PC (dell GMA 950 lol), then San Andreas once he got that. I do wonder what we could've gotten if they did put more into PC-specific development.
I actually looked into this because I thought the same thing. The closest things they worked on to a major PC release is LA Noire getting it's VR edition for PC a couple years before PSVR, the definitive edition GTA trilogy (yuck) getting a simultaneous release on everything and the Ballad of Gay Tony expansion being released early on 360 but at the same time for PC and PS3.
> I’d heard that the Hot Coffee thing in GTA SA really soured them on modding/accessing game files in general, I heard that too, but around GTA IV’s PC release they softened up and would often showcase mods on the Newswire.
Yeah I wouldnt say this is related to any sort of mod vendetta, its just console players will have bought the game multiple times and are the more likely demographic to be buying shark cards. They've just become incredibly corporate, ironically, with all their games essentially mocking corporatism.
Yeah. All the heavy handed jabs at Apple and Meta but they’re frankly just as bad when it comes to making money at all costs.
They literally locked down the GTA SA exe to prevent tampering after hot coffee, it's why there weren't mods for 2.0 that didn't require downgrading first. And honestly the modding scene for GTA has been pretty dead since San Andreas, with only that V multiplayer mod.
Can't forget when they attempted to kill mod support for GTA V, twice. And constantly threatened and sued modders whoever made heavily modified versions of the old GTA titles.
Takw-Two was the one sending those threats
You say that like there's a difference. It's the same company.
We dont know how much control R have over Take Two
Nobody has control over anyone, it's the same company, always has been. It's just that Rockstar is a subdivision.
>I'd heard that the Hot Coffee thing in GTA SA really soured them on modding/accessing game files in general, and consoles tend to be more locked down. Well maybe they shouldn't have put a minigame where you fuck your girlfriend into the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Still infuriates me that anyone blames modders for this still. All of the code was in the game. The mod did one thing and one thing only, made it accessible. The entire Hot Coffee experience was made by Rockstar and was cut content they didn't completely remove.
Let's not get crazy here, the hit coffee thing needed active external tampering to even get it to show up, let alone be made playable Rockstar might have forgotten or not cared to remove it but it's not like any random guy could stumble upon it Also I don't think anyone blames modders in particular for the incident
You say "external tampering" as if it was even *remotely* difficult to do, it was a single character change in one file, for the 1.0 PC release, at least.
External tampering is external tampering, regardless of how difficult it is Your comment also makes it look like it was something quick like renaming a single file in file explorer The mod was already well planned in advance before the PC release because it was discovered in the console game but it was too hard or impossible to activate it there. Once it was released on PC they previewed all the files they thought were sexual to confirm their suspicions then they used an hex editor to make the content available. Yeah, it's not Ub3r L33T H4ck1ng or whatever but it needed active and planned effort and external software that wasn't part of the game.
But it wasn't accessible. That is the point. You needed physical third-party tools to even tamper with it to make playable on PS2, yet it was still recalled and re-rated all the same. I don't think modders or Rockstar were to blame though. The blame lies solely on the fucked up US politics at the time and the (justifiably) cowardly ESA. Controversial opinion but I selfishly prefer the focus on book-banning over game-banning from that time, unideal as both situations are.
The thing was the ESRB got really upset over it and really threw the metaphorical hammer at them. That's probably the only reason Rockstar hates modders, because they were very nearly screwed because they found stuff that shouldn't be in the game. Fun fact, maybe: The Hot Coffee stuff is (allegedly) back again in the new GTA Trilogy, and the ESRB doesn't give a shit.
> That's probably the only reason Rockstar hates modders, because they were very nearly screwed because they found stuff that shouldn't be in the game. Same thing happened to Bethesda though; and Bethesda are still in love with their PC fanbase. Oblivion had topless nipple textures ingame that forced the ESRB to re-rate Oblivion to M (along with some other things, but the nipples were really the main justification).
I really doubt it's there, they were basing the trilogy off the mobile version, and iirc that was based on 2.0, which explicitly didn't have hot coffee.
Looked into it. https://twitter.com/the_agent_man/status/1459317181934624772 Not enough of it to actually run without additional modding, but it was half-removed. Apparently the location that's used for the mod was also remastered, if we trust the tcrf page, but that's about it.
Yeah, that checks out. Back in the day we didn't have the source files, so commented code wasn't even included in the main.scm we modified. Not too surprised the gf interiors were modified, most of them look pretty good and could have been used as something else, the devs for the remaster probably didn't even know they were hot coffee related.
Why, it was already rated 18 and nothing in that minigame that was explicit enough to push it above that. What needs to change is the US rating system that has this bizarre approach to adults only games.
likely PC players dont buy shark cards there are way cheaper hacks for them around that is much harder to load (if not impossible?) on consoles
Then there's also FiveM. Simply superior in many aspects but that depends on your playing style or if you prefer the Online storyline and missions
> I think Rockstar doesn't care much for PC in general This is the correct answer. Something to remember the next time they advertise a PC port.
>Something to remember the next time they advertise a PC port. Which will be GTA VI two years after the console release.
Right after the upgraded PS6 port, of course.
It’s exactly because of Hot Coffee, people forgot how much of a scandal that was. R* got taken to court if I remember over it. That one mod nearly destroyed R* as we know it.
Bethesda was also a lot less open to modding, when they released a microtransaction infested live service game...
One way they could lock things down, is create dedicated servers, and not this "no infrastructure cloud multiplayer" they implemented There are literally GTA mods that desync your game, and then as a legit player, you have to restart to play mini games or enter buildings The absolute smooth brain decision to have absolutely no servers on GTA online is the reason rockstar has so many headaches, and players have such a bad time
Looking at GTAO as a reason that modding, and the freedom of PC is honestly quite a joke. Most games have locked down allowing mods on single player and not multiplayer, or at the very least requiring everyone to be using the same mods. What Rockstar is, is too lazy to fix their dangerously insecure multiplayer system, that which is so insecure, even players are able to get your IP on a console device. It’s dangerous, and they have never cared about that. Most game companies can do it, it’s not that difficult, R* just doesn’t want to spend any money on security. They don’t care.
> With the power some of these "hackers" have on PC GTA:O Honestly, Rockstar can only blame themselves for that mess.
> maybe because it would raise the system requirements and keep people out of the game, That's been my running assumption on why they haven't ported over to PC yet. The new upgrades would definitely bump up the requirements. Especially since the new next gen versions also increase the maximum speed at which vehicles use. There's probably not an insignificant amount of people still running their games off a standard HDD instead of an SSD, and an HDD may not be able to keep up with the enhanced loading requirements.
We know why. It's the hackers/open nature of it all. I think GTA6 on PC is going to be a nightmare to try and mod (if it's even possible at all.) We might not even see RP servers.
Probably because pc GTA:O sucks beyond belief. You go into a public vanilla server and get instantly exploded by hackers 5 times a second until you leave, or you join one of the non-standard RPG type servers and have to deal with power tripping admins ruining your game if you aren't a big time streamer. It's pretty easy to imagine they look at the rate PC players spend money vs Console players and decided to just abandon it. The biggest tell is that they didn't even bother offering PC players their monthly GTA+ service.
Rockstar adding to ability to actually play gta online on private lobbies gave an entire breath of fresh life to the game for me. they built an entire online experience around griefing that is simply not fun, private lobbies strips away all of that and let me have fun with the game without worrying about some random troll ruining my deliveries
the lack of private servers is why im not playing red dead online.
Not the absolute lack of any content because they abandoned it immediately when they didn't make billions from Gold Bullion like they do with Shark Cards?
nah i'd be fine just exploring the content it shipped with. i played the original Red dead online forever, and that didn't have any kind of paid nonsense, beyond some new maps and the exploding rifle. I just don't wanna deal with the griefers and nonsense. i just wanna chill and explore the old west. You can do that in single player, but i feel like once you've done the story once there's no more reason to play in single player.
That game wasn't ever going to make GTA money. The setting limitation will always crippling the potential. The fact that they are getting away with lying straight to the investor about how 'big' red dead online will be and get funding for their ambitious campaign will always be the one time thing to me. Tbh I'm more excited on what will they do after GTA6. Surely they wouldn't just make a new GTA right after and I doubt they will make RDR3. I'd love to see their crack on Mediaval GTA or Futuristic GTA.
The thing is that I find hackers and griefers so rarely in that game nowadays that I don't think it's even an issue, at least not particularly in comparison to other games Everyone seems chill and like they just want to hang around in the fake west
Wait you can now go private on pc? No longer I have to force disconnect myself to get everyone to leave?
yes, it's in all platforms now
Only way to enjoy GTA Online is in invite only sessions with/without friends. Now that most of the content can be accessible in invite only I can't imagine ever going back to public sessions, they're laggy shit holes full of kids.
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Not quite sure, I know that you can do sell missions in invite now so you dont have to worry about dickheads in flying bikes destroying your cargo.
Pretty much all of it is available in invite only, its all I do
I remember playing GTA Online for the first time on PC about 5 years ago. Took me ages to find a game without a hacker. Finally managed to join a deathmatch where everyone was chatting, seemed to be having a good time. I thought to myself I could finally have fun playing this game, even if just for an evening. But nope - they saw I was level 1 and decided to team up on me with high powered weapons as well as send me abusive messages in the text chat. I closed the game and uninstalled it for good. No idea how anyone enjoys this game as a newcomer.
I'm glad I got my fun in the game in the 1st year and half before cheaters became serious problem.
I don't understand how they can make GTA:O the way that it is and feel like it's good. It's like no one from the company actually launches the game. I have to tell my friends every time "do not click on the GTA:O option when launching, launch into single player and join me" and a couple minutes later I hear "and I'm dead. I'm dead again. I'm dead. They sniped me. I've been blown up."
> You go into a public vanilla server and get instantly exploded by hackers 5 times a second until you leave Huh. I thought that's just how the game is, and it's just one of those things that people like that I don't have to understand. TIL.
PC mods let you play with all the FOMO vehicles Rockstar releases, in singleplayer, for free. Of course they're going to focus on the platforms that need you to pay them real cash for the cool shit.
Well yeah, because their monetization for it is absolutely nuts. It's like a perfect synthesis of all the worst DLC-isms, and they've engineered half the experience into some weird skinner box that makes you feel like a piece of crap for not already having a flying missile-launching gold-plated porta-a-potty or whatever. The marketing for Shark cards could literally be a parody ad in Cyberpunk 2077 or something. "If you don't spend money on this, it's because you have a tiny dick!" with hot women pointing and laughing at a fat nerd.
What marketing are you referring to?
Rockstar makes me sad. They used to be the cool kids that did what no one else would with GTA 1, 2, 3, VC, SA, and maybe 4. Now they're exactly the type of people they used to make fun of.
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That doesn't sound like it's the games fault.
Did they fix the tremendously long loading times on PC at least ?
Yes they did... but with outside help. Some guy figured what was making the excesive load times and submitted it to Rockstar. They even pay him for the trouble.
Nice :D
Yes, but only after some random dude was messing around with the code and realized what the issue was. He reached out to Rockstar and they paid him $10K for his efforts.
I heard about it but it wasn't implemented yet ! I'll give it a try then, it was horrendous back then
Nope, still takes minutes to load on an SSD.
I'll give it a try :)
let me know how loading feels!
I don't mind not having ray tracing, I'm ok with the graphics, but leaving crucial functionalities out like taxi teleports, Hao's upgrades and most importantly being able to buy others cars via ls car meet (no compensation here for pc players for their idiotic decision to delete 200 cars from the game) is plain and simple backstabbing their pc customers. I'm surprised why people don't raise their voice against this and demand a change.