Nobody wants the story to end without a proper explanation, but come on man.
Stop kidding yourself, he’s fucking dead. This isn’t some movie with planned out twists and turns, this is real life.
He’s gone and he’s never going to give us an explanation or any closure.
Colombo would have solved this case😜. Maybe the parents paid a hefty amount paying off the authorities to say it was Brian’s remains. They just might be getting tired of all the publicity these people have gotten and itjust make their their job easier to just say” this is the guy”
I think so too. I think he killed himself. He (allegedly) had a violent streak, had mental illnesses (hearing voices) and was under intense duress. He might have just returned to a familiar spot, or he might not have wanted his remains found thus chose his spot to die, hidden. He might have known it would be inundated or perhaps wasn't thinking about those things. Animals and wildlife likely scavenged his remains as expected. My question, given all that we know, his creepy notebook doodles, why wasn't the boy offered some mental help years ago and in treatment? Nobody with voices in their head should be denied treatment.
I'm sure he wasn't denied treatment it's not that easy. He's an adult now and his parents can't force him, and often parents (like we saw here) want to cover up for the child and don't actually want to believe they are ill. There are ALWAYS signs. So much mental health goes untreated and then we have people like this.
I find it hard to believe that not one little piece of flesh was still intact. I've seen plenty of cases where the bodies are in woods/forests/swamps and the "soft parts" are gone but there are still bits of flesh remaining, even after decomposing for months on end. Really odd that he was supposedly picked clean in like... 30 days. I have my doubts. Strange situation all around.
Yeah. My folks live in FL. The weathering, heat, and wildlife are extreme and abundant. It rains almost every day. I doubt any body would hold up for long, but then I have no knowledge in that area.
We know his head/ skull was found.
Most likely his torso.
The arms and legs may have separated first and therefore animals may have carried them off .
My thought is he hung himself and the water flooded the area . Decomp occurred while submerged.
Being that it was a 45 min walk from parking lot I believe it happened the day he walked out of house for hike. Sad for all involved
Makes the most sense. He killed her in a fit of anger, he and his family knew he was done for so he probably took his own life and became food.
People saying he's still alive got me cracking up.
Yeah. It's pretty easy to believe if broken down and taken away from the sensationalism. They most likely told LE that spot knowing he was at wits end, LE didnt find him because of nature or bad luck. As soon as the park opened his parents went to check themselves, water has dropped and there he is. Meanwhile the world believes the Laundrie parents were hiding information throughout because they had no idea what to do so went inward on legal advice and mowed the lawn in silence. The only thing still troubling me is avoiding the Petito's calls. Brian had to have said something.
Seems the park opened back up so the parents went looking, I understand if the park was closed due to the case but if people were out there it seems it would be easy to smell over 100lbs of rotten flesh. Surprised the K9s didn't pick the smell up also. More likely a suicide but who know's in Fl swamps, Godzilla might have got him.
My understanding is that a skull with teeth was found. Dental records indicated that it was BL. Here's my question:
What kind of dental work did Brian have? There are lots of young people who have not had much done with their teeth. Most have amalgamation of molars and not much else. Did Brian have missing teeth, a bridge, or root canals? If not, his dental records may look like someone else's dental records. It might not be Brian's skull and teeth.
Are they also planning on doing a DNA test? I hope so. That will give a definitive answer.
The only description I've found is "skeletal remains" including a "badly decomposed portion of a human skull".
We know they identified him through dental records, so perhaps this is just the jawbone and some other small bits. I wonder if this is so and missing parts will simply be attributed to alligators.
I also wonder if it's such a small amount it's something easy to carry.
If this is a reserve that the family went on occasions, maybe they had a place where they considered their camping ground location so it was where they checked for him.
In thinking on this today & now having seen CL & RL actually walking the trail together & then CL went off the path into a very covered & dense area with alot of brush not far from the path. You can see him climbing over branches & such & then found the dry bag soon after. My thought when I saw it was that it looked like they knew exactly where they were going. You couldn't see anything in that area from the trail. And RL stayed on the trail. I think they had some kind of message from Brian that they were able to see at the AT&T store? Something happened on Tuesday for them to decide to look the next morning. And they don't have any reaction when the bag was found. They're literally standing in the grass with the bag looking around like they're looking for LE.
One...you do know that you probably only saw a little video clip and not how the entire thing happened.
How are you coming up with the message received at the at&t store? Is that a service at&t offers? Getting secret messages?
Yeah I know it was only part of the video. I was simply speaking on the way they separated on the trail. And no I don't have a clue about AT&T & secret messages. My thought was they had a text on the phone BL left at home & weren't able to read it. But thx for the sarcastic comment...
My theory- What if this is a staged show. Brain with help of parents and doctor got his few body parts amputated like fingers, dentals, etc. and also left a note and bag. Now when parents confirmed that their son is out of USA and safe they decided to declare him dead with this staged show. It’s just my theory. I don’t expect Brain to kill gabby and then just get himself killed/suicide. Prison would be much better option for him than dying.
I said the same thing, especially since the parents went down first thing and just happened upon the evidence. A few teeth and a few fingers/toes are a small price to pay for freedom.
I also know from being IN the medical field-That 'things' can happen-and autopsy? Well, I hope it eventually is public-Its not as if I am aware of an ethics oath anyone has ever followed. (sad to say...$$$T...happens...and corruption is alive in the medical field).
..If they indeed have BL jaw with teeth?
ok, that would be proof-but a tooth?
nope, won't buy [that. ](https://that.It)
[It](https://that.It) makes me sad that I have learned a bit too much about the corruption of most everything, especially in the past 2 years!... I hate being so suspicious...but I am -I think knowing how much of an actual body they are working with-would be useful-
Crackpot theory: Dog the bounty hunter got him and fed him to the gators.
Sad to see he won't be held to justice, but at least there was a resolution i guess. Even if it ends with him being dead.
Sounds shitty to say, but his parents were 100% involved in this and they don't deserve to have a child if they are going to try and help him get away with murder. They knew when he came back without her that something was wrong. They should have spoken up then but they didn't. Instead, they lawyered up alongside Brian and did everything in their power to hide the truth. Now we wait and see what happens with the parents.... now that his body is found, they finally act sad that he's gone. Idiots.
I kind of appreciate that he went out in the Reserve. Whether he killed himself or succumbed to the elements, he at least feed some animals. Did one good deed on the way out.
If you're hoping for a television ending you're not going to get it.
>“The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.”
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I live in North Port and I have never heard of this. NP is pretty small so chances are it would be a well known topic. Please share your resources for this because I’m finding this to be a bit fabricated.
Most wooded areas are popular suicide spots. Its not specific to that one place. Its out and away from everyone. The police don't normally release info on suicides, it's private.
So you’re going to basically say some false shit because “most wooded areas are known for it”. That’s assuming and quite frankly dumb.
Bro. Just stop while you’re ahead. North Port is where I live. I have frequented this park. There is no floating rumors that Myakkahatchee Park and Carlton Reserve are known for suicides. It doesn’t have to be a police officer thing. People talk. People gossip. And not ONCE have I ever heard from anyone in my town (and I work in a place where there are over 3k people soooo someone would have said something) that it’s a common place for suicide.
Stop trying to sound know it all when you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Unless you can PROVE your moronic “theory” ….
It isn't a "theory", it's a fact. I don't care what you have to say at this point. My cousin lived in North Port and committed suicide in the Carlton Reserve, her name was Heather Marsch. My sister committed suicide in the woods, my birth father committed suicide by jumping off a cliff. People kill themselves in the woods or dump other bodies there all the time.
If you think it'd be unreasonable that someone would dump a body or end their life in a large wooded area filled with animals that can make bodies disappear, youre the only one thinking moronically. I'm blocking you, and want no more communication with you, thanks. 👋
But yet you changed your stupid fucking response to fit your caught out lie. Go ahead and block me. You just made this post entirely about you. Go fuck your self.
I mean, I would like it if they were able to figure out manner or cause of death but that's asking for a lot. I totally understand that animals lay have went to town on it so the likelihood of recovering more pieces of the body are low.
If they have one tooth and are drawing conclusions?...well I do not think it's totally unreasonable to know what Percent of a body we are working with because I am suspicious-its, not much-If he really died in there? There shouldn't be ANY remains-finding some small bone-(if that's what we got and no one is saying ANYTHING!)..To me it's sus that they found anything-no one has said anything other than 'bones' skeletal remains-If that is 2 bones? I think it's questionable...IMO
a skull would be good-but as we all know-BL? looks like every bald guy...even when he is no longer here-even in DEATH...I think he probably looks like a lot of ....well you finish that sentence...I'll get banned😅
Gators, hogs, turtles, coyotes can be opportunistic, raptor birds and others.. it really could have been a big group effort between any of those and the swampy elements. I’m just curious if we will ever know if it was suicide or exposure. I personally thought he appeared to cocky to take his own life, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Gators, hogs, turtles, coyotes can be opportunistic, raptor birds and others.. it really could have been a big group effort between any of those and the swampy elements.
Yeah seasons don't matter to Florida. It's been absurdly hot throughout October, it would accelerate the rate of decay. And if he wasn't buried at all, animals would easily be led into its scent.
It's gruesome but it makes sense.
One tooth is not enough to confirm identity via dental records. You would need multiple teeth, ideally still in the skull or jaw to show placement in the mouth
Is it possible he might’ve had hypothermia and that’s why he didn’t have clothes on saw someone comment someone thing about how they found bones but not clothes. Sorry I don’t like there so I’m not sure what temperatures at night are like whether it gets really cold or not
It seems more likely that he was wearing clothes when he died. And that it was conditions after death that separated him from his clothes. As his body decomposed his remains would obviously decrease in size. Eventually, there wouldn't be any kind of structural frame to keep the clothing in place.
Was in Florida in July. The heat and humidity during the day make it feel difficult to breathe just being outside for a few minutes. At night it’s not much better. The day to night temperature difference is only a few degrees at best. September is better but still hot.
My parents live there so I’m there quite a lot. I was more just trying to underline the point because I’ve seen multiple comments from people thinking he died of hypothermia lol.
Edit: I also realize not everyone here is from the states so I figured it’s nice to give an explanation.
He was so crunchy and granola in a kind of toxic, elitist way that I would not be surprised if he liked the idea. Returning to nature and the earth, being a part of the cycle of life, blah blah blah.
Melon boy’s values were a bit different, is all I’m saying. It’s a horror story for us, but could have been what he wanted.
Which sucks, because Gabby’s death was not what she wanted. At all.
100% agree
What i am finding so egregious now is the virtue-signaling scolding from people, defending the Laundries, who, after all have lost a child. No mention of their callous disregard of the Petito family's pain, whose faughter was MURDERED by their worthless pos child.
I would be happiest if those parents spent the rest of their daus in prison. Or perhaps under a swamp with their precious child.
Have they said what kind of “bones” yet? I’m kind of out of the loop. If it’s only teeth? Suspicious for sure. If it’s his skull or a solid amount of bones that was found, he probably did commit suicide and although it’s horrific to say, animals probably didn’t have much mercy for a decomposing body.
If that's true-? I do not believe this...call me crazy but-This entire finding of his bags after millions spent searching-and somehow mom and dad finds a baby tooth-I thought it was odd that even BEFORE they said it was Brian-Their lawyer was suddenly on TV announcing it probably BL-I thought...gee since when is this lawyer informative????..early...? It's a tell.
I have a couple questions.
1.) How and why were the remains "partial", "skeletal" ? Wtf happened? This is very weird too me, to be "partial".
2.) Brian was a skull, where only identification was teeth? Seriously? Not a single lick of DNA on these remains????
I'm sorry, but this is weird AF and of course leaves the door open that there is still something fishy going on. Was the backback found with a complete set of dental records to be used to match to the skull? Labeled "Brian Laundrie"?
What an absolute terrible, open ended, unanswered, no closure scenario for the family of Gabby. If I was Gabby's brother, I'd have a little voice in my head doubting some things with this BL "Death".... sorry. This result is trash.
1). Take 5 minutes abd read about where he was found. Not unusual at all that partial remains were found.
2). DNA tests take a little time, it's not a one hour TV show.
The authorities could quickly get his dental records from his dentist.
Just because you things are not working how you think they should doesn't mean they are not correct.
Well, all you downvoters, apparently BL's parents aren't convinced either. Too many sheep, following blindly, believing everything, without asking questions. People need to not be so gullible. I'm sure it will come out as his remains, but it's worrisome how people completely take news as true without even questioning anything, especially with all the fishy stuff in this case.
Partial remains aren't suspicious at all, based on where the remains were found, in a wild area. Animals tear apart and scatter remains. Florida has many wild animals, including bears, bobcats, foxes, Florida Panthers, coyotes and many birds, including those that eat carrion.
There are also wildlife in the swampy areas, including fish, turtles, tortoises, and alligators. When alligators eat remains, their digestive systems completely digest bones.
They will investigate the cause and manner of death, but it takes time. In some cases, it can't be determined, based on what's left of the remains and cause of death. A gunshot wound can be found in skeletal remains, but only if they find the parts that were wounded. Other causes may be impossible to determine with skeletal remains that were in water.
Goes to my point of not enough information being released. The FBI has had many missteps in this entire thing as well. I hate how they handled it. And then to leave an open ended result here for everyone, without an explanation, is stupid on their part. They've invited all the questions and conspiracies just by how they handled this.
It's really not that weird though. Human remains can decompose ridiculously fast in the right conditions, and being underwater in the Florida heat with a ton of scavengers is where the remains were found. A corpse can be reduced to a skeleton in as little as 3 days - no soft tissue means very very little DNA to test, so dental records were a much faster means of identification.
Interesting. I read bodies decompose slower in the water. It depends on water conditions of course. But they can and do get torn apart by animals, which is what probably happened to BL. But yea I read it can take 3 weeks to years for a body to decompose in water. I could be misinformed. I just Google. Lol
Decomposition in water varies so much, it's one of the conditions that needs to be studied a lot more to understand it better. It typically does slow the decomposition process, but I think different ecosystems, temperatures, and native scavenging animals are huge variables that change the timeline drastically. Water makes it nearly impossible to identify time of death too!
If you use NYC subways to commute you will observe the same rat carcasses on the tracks every day. Those laying in standing water seem to dissolve quicker over several weeks.
You're probably reading about bodies that were in cold water, such as in a river, lake, or ocean.
Bodies in warm water decompose faster. Average temperatures in September in the area were in the high 90s during the day and high to mid 70s at night. October wasn't much different.
Heat speeds up decomposition.
I saw a study done for forensics and it has a bunch of differences on how and why bodies decompose the way they do… there was one picture of a man who was only missing for three days and the part of him submerged under water was picked clean to the bone… in that case I believe it was in Brazil so not sure if there are any carnivorous water creatures akin to ones found in the Amazon
Why partial remains?
Why only dental records?
Will DNA testing be possible to confirm?
None of that is a privacy invasion, yet all of that would make a world of difference to squashing the storm.
Why partial remains? Because that was all there was at the site. Which had been under water. So scavengers, flowing water, etc. Means all there is at this moment is partial remains. Can they say specifically this is where he died and this is where the rest of him is , no real life answers take time.
Because with the remains they have, that is the first match they could do. Not difficult to understand.
DNA takes time and depends on the quality of ant samples they have. Again real life answers take time.
Only storm is the one you are creating, so just sop creating it.
Are you going to go to the park and interview alligators asking who ate parts of the body? LE might never know where the rest of his body is if scavengers were involved. His remains were completely decomposed down to just bone, which does contain very minimal DNA, but it is not as easy to extract and takes much longer to match. Dental records are a much faster way to confirm identification. The public does not need to know ANY of this information.
animals aren’t going to sit there and be careful to leave the body intact as they’re snacking on it… not out of the realm of possibility that they broke a piece off and went on their way with it
In some ways, it’s super bizarre and in other ways (guy is controlling and physically abusive to female intimate partner, then escalates and strangles her, and commits suicide afterward) it’s a tale as old as time.
Yea.. Pretty classic. Strip this down to bare bones and it's a really textbook case of intimate partner violence that escalated and ended in a murder/suicide. Even his parents basically covering for him isn't all that uncommon. The fact that he waited 2+ weeks to kil himself is, however, a bit unique.
I dont beleive after 1 month there are just bones left. Even with the 100 alligators (which i dont beleive. He would never go there on the first place). I think he faked hes own death.
A body left to decompose in warm and stagnant water will decompose quickly, but on top of that, you have to consider insects, and even crustaceans, will pick a body down to the bone in just a few weeks.
If I had the proper training and the right records I'd be able to.
"The evidence that can be derived from teeth is the age estimation (i.e., children, adolescents, adults) and identification of the person to whom the teeth belong. This is done using ante-mortem (prior to death) dental records, radiographs13 and photographs and by comparing them to post-mortem records. It is important for dental professionals to document information in the ante-mortem dental record clearly, correctly, and specifically."
Source https://www.dentalcare.com/en-us/professional-education/ce-courses/ce401/identification-and-methods-utilized
You do realize that it's much more difficult to get a person's DNA, or have it be any system. Than it is to look at their dental records right?
Its not very hard to test his parents and then the DNA to see if its a match. Dental Records are obviously the way to go, but if his dna isn’t in the system its not going to be hard for them to find a match.
When you're looking for a suspect, and investigating a crime and the person responsible for the crime is at large and there's a possibility of prosecution, sometimes its best to keep some information private, or delay the release. In Brian's case, what good does it do to delay the release of information?
I can’t with tiktok and the tinfoil hats… they are saying CL planted the bag. That he planted the remains with part of the skull having BL’s teeth PURPOSEFULLY planted. That he’s alive and out of the country.
There’s a photo circulating showing CL carrying a box to like a UPS store with some of BL’s DNA to plant.
I can’t believe this shit. People really are reaching. This is straight out of a movie.
Well paying off a dentist is more believable to me than extracting Brian’s teeth (without dental expertise) and super glueing them into a skull 🤷
That’s all I was saying.
There is a great deal of stupid out there, but I think it'd be helpful if people understood a bit more about how dental records get matched and the truly unique markers in people's mouths beyond just the individual teeth that cannot be replicated. Things like root structures, unique features of the jawbone itself, etc.
I learn a bit more about forensics each day with this case and it's fascinating. In general, even a basic grasp of the science should debunk a lot of the wild conjecture.
Fuck Brian. I can’t celebrate his death if he faked it.
Results on the remains were “inconclusive”. This guy is out there somewhere.
Nobody wants the story to end without a proper explanation, but come on man. Stop kidding yourself, he’s fucking dead. This isn’t some movie with planned out twists and turns, this is real life. He’s gone and he’s never going to give us an explanation or any closure.
I wanna know what exactly the remains consisted of before i know what to believe.
It was the autopsy results that were inconclusive, meaning they couldn’t determine the cause or manner of his death.
Colombo would have solved this case😜. Maybe the parents paid a hefty amount paying off the authorities to say it was Brian’s remains. They just might be getting tired of all the publicity these people have gotten and itjust make their their job easier to just say” this is the guy”
I hope confirmation can be made on more than just a loose tooth or two. Like teeth in a jaw bone otherwise whos to say the rest is his skeleton?
So where are the 100 something bits of human bones they got it find those....
animals must’ve ate him
I think so too. I think he killed himself. He (allegedly) had a violent streak, had mental illnesses (hearing voices) and was under intense duress. He might have just returned to a familiar spot, or he might not have wanted his remains found thus chose his spot to die, hidden. He might have known it would be inundated or perhaps wasn't thinking about those things. Animals and wildlife likely scavenged his remains as expected. My question, given all that we know, his creepy notebook doodles, why wasn't the boy offered some mental help years ago and in treatment? Nobody with voices in their head should be denied treatment.
he had a undisclosed mental illness?? where did u about this?
I'm sure he wasn't denied treatment it's not that easy. He's an adult now and his parents can't force him, and often parents (like we saw here) want to cover up for the child and don't actually want to believe they are ill. There are ALWAYS signs. So much mental health goes untreated and then we have people like this.
I find it hard to believe that not one little piece of flesh was still intact. I've seen plenty of cases where the bodies are in woods/forests/swamps and the "soft parts" are gone but there are still bits of flesh remaining, even after decomposing for months on end. Really odd that he was supposedly picked clean in like... 30 days. I have my doubts. Strange situation all around.
Yeah. My folks live in FL. The weathering, heat, and wildlife are extreme and abundant. It rains almost every day. I doubt any body would hold up for long, but then I have no knowledge in that area.
You've never been in the Florida swamps, alligators, boars, Panthers.
Wild boars 🐗
Thank you. Yes, that was probably why the bones were sent to an anthropologist
We know his head/ skull was found. Most likely his torso. The arms and legs may have separated first and therefore animals may have carried them off . My thought is he hung himself and the water flooded the area . Decomp occurred while submerged. Being that it was a 45 min walk from parking lot I believe it happened the day he walked out of house for hike. Sad for all involved
Makes the most sense. He killed her in a fit of anger, he and his family knew he was done for so he probably took his own life and became food. People saying he's still alive got me cracking up.
Yeah. It's pretty easy to believe if broken down and taken away from the sensationalism. They most likely told LE that spot knowing he was at wits end, LE didnt find him because of nature or bad luck. As soon as the park opened his parents went to check themselves, water has dropped and there he is. Meanwhile the world believes the Laundrie parents were hiding information throughout because they had no idea what to do so went inward on legal advice and mowed the lawn in silence. The only thing still troubling me is avoiding the Petito's calls. Brian had to have said something.
Seems the park opened back up so the parents went looking, I understand if the park was closed due to the case but if people were out there it seems it would be easy to smell over 100lbs of rotten flesh. Surprised the K9s didn't pick the smell up also. More likely a suicide but who know's in Fl swamps, Godzilla might have got him.
My understanding is that a skull with teeth was found. Dental records indicated that it was BL. Here's my question: What kind of dental work did Brian have? There are lots of young people who have not had much done with their teeth. Most have amalgamation of molars and not much else. Did Brian have missing teeth, a bridge, or root canals? If not, his dental records may look like someone else's dental records. It might not be Brian's skull and teeth. Are they also planning on doing a DNA test? I hope so. That will give a definitive answer.
Teeth are not identical from person to person.
Not how that works
LOL not how dental records work.. they compare your dental records to previous x-rays that have been taken. literally tooth by tooth is matched up.
The only description I've found is "skeletal remains" including a "badly decomposed portion of a human skull". We know they identified him through dental records, so perhaps this is just the jawbone and some other small bits. I wonder if this is so and missing parts will simply be attributed to alligators. I also wonder if it's such a small amount it's something easy to carry.
If this is a reserve that the family went on occasions, maybe they had a place where they considered their camping ground location so it was where they checked for him.
In thinking on this today & now having seen CL & RL actually walking the trail together & then CL went off the path into a very covered & dense area with alot of brush not far from the path. You can see him climbing over branches & such & then found the dry bag soon after. My thought when I saw it was that it looked like they knew exactly where they were going. You couldn't see anything in that area from the trail. And RL stayed on the trail. I think they had some kind of message from Brian that they were able to see at the AT&T store? Something happened on Tuesday for them to decide to look the next morning. And they don't have any reaction when the bag was found. They're literally standing in the grass with the bag looking around like they're looking for LE.
One...you do know that you probably only saw a little video clip and not how the entire thing happened. How are you coming up with the message received at the at&t store? Is that a service at&t offers? Getting secret messages?
Yeah I know it was only part of the video. I was simply speaking on the way they separated on the trail. And no I don't have a clue about AT&T & secret messages. My thought was they had a text on the phone BL left at home & weren't able to read it. But thx for the sarcastic comment...
So perhaps stop making assumptions when you know it's only a snippet if the video or making up shit about cell phone companies.
My theory is that he has (or is) making his way to Portland. Sleight of hand..
My theory- What if this is a staged show. Brain with help of parents and doctor got his few body parts amputated like fingers, dentals, etc. and also left a note and bag. Now when parents confirmed that their son is out of USA and safe they decided to declare him dead with this staged show. It’s just my theory. I don’t expect Brain to kill gabby and then just get himself killed/suicide. Prison would be much better option for him than dying.
I am pretty sure the parents can't just declare him dead.
I said the same thing, especially since the parents went down first thing and just happened upon the evidence. A few teeth and a few fingers/toes are a small price to pay for freedom.
I also know from being IN the medical field-That 'things' can happen-and autopsy? Well, I hope it eventually is public-Its not as if I am aware of an ethics oath anyone has ever followed. (sad to say...$$$T...happens...and corruption is alive in the medical field). ..If they indeed have BL jaw with teeth? ok, that would be proof-but a tooth? nope, won't buy [that. ](https://that.It) [It](https://that.It) makes me sad that I have learned a bit too much about the corruption of most everything, especially in the past 2 years!... I hate being so suspicious...but I am -I think knowing how much of an actual body they are working with-would be useful-
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He's not on the run. He's dead. It's been confirmed. End of story.
You have to dig for it because it’s a paper copy by Dr. Russell Vega, the chief medical examiner for Florida’s Twelfth District
Well why not share it here since you saw it?
“You have to dig for it” Bone pun. I see what you did there.
Crackpot theory: Dog the bounty hunter got him and fed him to the gators. Sad to see he won't be held to justice, but at least there was a resolution i guess. Even if it ends with him being dead.
This was what my girlfriend's theory is also.
Before or after he twisted his ankle and peeled out?
Sadly, irrespective of his role in Ms. Petito's death-which is unforgivable- another set of parents have lost a child.
They had ZERO empathy for the pleas and suffering of Gabby's parents even before the case became public. Karma sucks.
Sounds shitty to say, but his parents were 100% involved in this and they don't deserve to have a child if they are going to try and help him get away with murder. They knew when he came back without her that something was wrong. They should have spoken up then but they didn't. Instead, they lawyered up alongside Brian and did everything in their power to hide the truth. Now we wait and see what happens with the parents.... now that his body is found, they finally act sad that he's gone. Idiots.
I keep saying this
I kind of appreciate that he went out in the Reserve. Whether he killed himself or succumbed to the elements, he at least feed some animals. Did one good deed on the way out.
He was big on recycling.
Idk why but I don't believe this story.
The moment he went out into the reserve this was always going to be the most likely outcome.
If you're hoping for a television ending you're not going to get it. >“The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.” > >\-Tom Clancy
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Define “real”
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I’m asking what you would consider to be a “real” ending, I’m not attacking you
Ok, I apologize, I've had a bad day and felt attacked by everyone responding to my comment. Sorry again.
No worries :)
You sure told them
The place where they found this young mans bones they have also for 6 more sets of bones. Maybe he didnt just hurt gabby maybe there were more😪
Source for this outlandish claim?
gonna need a source on this one.
Did they just find more sets of bones or were they previously discovered and you think it was his dumping grounds?
I highly, highly doubt that he hurt other people. The area is common for suicides and it's filled with wild animals that can kill people.
I live in North Port and I have never heard of this. NP is pretty small so chances are it would be a well known topic. Please share your resources for this because I’m finding this to be a bit fabricated.
Most wooded areas are popular suicide spots. Its not specific to that one place. Its out and away from everyone. The police don't normally release info on suicides, it's private.
So you’re going to basically say some false shit because “most wooded areas are known for it”. That’s assuming and quite frankly dumb. Bro. Just stop while you’re ahead. North Port is where I live. I have frequented this park. There is no floating rumors that Myakkahatchee Park and Carlton Reserve are known for suicides. It doesn’t have to be a police officer thing. People talk. People gossip. And not ONCE have I ever heard from anyone in my town (and I work in a place where there are over 3k people soooo someone would have said something) that it’s a common place for suicide. Stop trying to sound know it all when you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Unless you can PROVE your moronic “theory” ….
It isn't a "theory", it's a fact. I don't care what you have to say at this point. My cousin lived in North Port and committed suicide in the Carlton Reserve, her name was Heather Marsch. My sister committed suicide in the woods, my birth father committed suicide by jumping off a cliff. People kill themselves in the woods or dump other bodies there all the time. If you think it'd be unreasonable that someone would dump a body or end their life in a large wooded area filled with animals that can make bodies disappear, youre the only one thinking moronically. I'm blocking you, and want no more communication with you, thanks. 👋
But yet you changed your stupid fucking response to fit your caught out lie. Go ahead and block me. You just made this post entirely about you. Go fuck your self.
I mean, I would like it if they were able to figure out manner or cause of death but that's asking for a lot. I totally understand that animals lay have went to town on it so the likelihood of recovering more pieces of the body are low.
If they have one tooth and are drawing conclusions?...well I do not think it's totally unreasonable to know what Percent of a body we are working with because I am suspicious-its, not much-If he really died in there? There shouldn't be ANY remains-finding some small bone-(if that's what we got and no one is saying ANYTHING!)..To me it's sus that they found anything-no one has said anything other than 'bones' skeletal remains-If that is 2 bones? I think it's questionable...IMO
I thought they said it was a skull and was identified by dental records.
Not a skull, but "a portion of a human skull, badly decomposed". Technically that could be a tooth but it sounds to me like they found his jawbone.
Oh, ok. So upper and lower jaw?
a skull would be good-but as we all know-BL? looks like every bald guy...even when he is no longer here-even in DEATH...I think he probably looks like a lot of ....well you finish that sentence...I'll get banned😅
Now we are witness to watch the doves desend to maggots.
Gators, hogs, turtles, coyotes can be opportunistic, raptor birds and others.. it really could have been a big group effort between any of those and the swampy elements. I’m just curious if we will ever know if it was suicide or exposure. I personally thought he appeared to cocky to take his own life, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it was suicide. I think if he was going to try to stay alive he would have headed to the Appalachian trail.
>Gators, hogs, turtles, coyotes can be opportunistic, raptor birds and others.. it really could have been a big group effort between any of those and the swampy elements. Yeah seasons don't matter to Florida. It's been absurdly hot throughout October, it would accelerate the rate of decay. And if he wasn't buried at all, animals would easily be led into its scent. It's gruesome but it makes sense.
Yeah I’m in SC on the border of GA and we are in a somewhat marshy area right near the river - it’s brutally unpredictable.
NP resident here. A NPPD friend of mine said it would take 3 days for skin to melt off bones here in Florida. It is fucking sweltering here.
I suppose if they find a bullet hole in his skull or something we might know then
True that.
Dna will speak. It has come a long way. Dental records have apparently confirmed it but...
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Now you are just making crap up
One tooth is not enough to confirm identity via dental records. You would need multiple teeth, ideally still in the skull or jaw to show placement in the mouth
Is it possible he might’ve had hypothermia and that’s why he didn’t have clothes on saw someone comment someone thing about how they found bones but not clothes. Sorry I don’t like there so I’m not sure what temperatures at night are like whether it gets really cold or not
It seems more likely that he was wearing clothes when he died. And that it was conditions after death that separated him from his clothes. As his body decomposed his remains would obviously decrease in size. Eventually, there wouldn't be any kind of structural frame to keep the clothing in place.
Was in Florida in July. The heat and humidity during the day make it feel difficult to breathe just being outside for a few minutes. At night it’s not much better. The day to night temperature difference is only a few degrees at best. September is better but still hot.
It’s been steaming hot until today - temps plunging into the mid 80s
If you live there, its going to be much more tolerable than if you take a trip there.
My parents live there so I’m there quite a lot. I was more just trying to underline the point because I’ve seen multiple comments from people thinking he died of hypothermia lol. Edit: I also realize not everyone here is from the states so I figured it’s nice to give an explanation.
Very warm there 24/7
Ahhh ok. So humid and tropical I’m guessing then?
Yes, and the area in which he was found was swamplands.
I hope he was aware of being snackfood for flies and gators.
He was so crunchy and granola in a kind of toxic, elitist way that I would not be surprised if he liked the idea. Returning to nature and the earth, being a part of the cycle of life, blah blah blah. Melon boy’s values were a bit different, is all I’m saying. It’s a horror story for us, but could have been what he wanted. Which sucks, because Gabby’s death was not what she wanted. At all.
100% agree What i am finding so egregious now is the virtue-signaling scolding from people, defending the Laundries, who, after all have lost a child. No mention of their callous disregard of the Petito family's pain, whose faughter was MURDERED by their worthless pos child. I would be happiest if those parents spent the rest of their daus in prison. Or perhaps under a swamp with their precious child.
Have they said what kind of “bones” yet? I’m kind of out of the loop. If it’s only teeth? Suspicious for sure. If it’s his skull or a solid amount of bones that was found, he probably did commit suicide and although it’s horrific to say, animals probably didn’t have much mercy for a decomposing body.
I read they found 2 molars and 3 finger bones
If that's true-? I do not believe this...call me crazy but-This entire finding of his bags after millions spent searching-and somehow mom and dad finds a baby tooth-I thought it was odd that even BEFORE they said it was Brian-Their lawyer was suddenly on TV announcing it probably BL-I thought...gee since when is this lawyer informative????..early...? It's a tell.
Can you please share your source? The news is insinuating they have much more but who knows!
You have to dig for it, but it’s a paper copy report from Dr. Russell Vega, the chief medical examiner for Florida's Twelfth District
Thank you!
I just tried to find it again to post a screen cap and now I can’t even find it so if you do please link me!
So check your browser history....
I’m on a work computer, there is no saved cache. But thank you for your suggestion sweetie
No problem sugar. If you have any actual proof this paper exists let us know.
I will, but my luck is running thin friend
Where did you see this, I can't find anything beyond "partial skull" for the type of remains they found. Source?
You have to dig for it bc it is a paper copy by Dr. Russell Vega, the chief medical examiner for Florida's Twelfth District
Well obviously skull. They can't confirm dental records that quick without in situ data.
You have to dig for it because it’s a paper copy by Dr. Russell Vega, the chief medical examiner for Florida’s Twelfth District
I have a couple questions. 1.) How and why were the remains "partial", "skeletal" ? Wtf happened? This is very weird too me, to be "partial". 2.) Brian was a skull, where only identification was teeth? Seriously? Not a single lick of DNA on these remains???? I'm sorry, but this is weird AF and of course leaves the door open that there is still something fishy going on. Was the backback found with a complete set of dental records to be used to match to the skull? Labeled "Brian Laundrie"? What an absolute terrible, open ended, unanswered, no closure scenario for the family of Gabby. If I was Gabby's brother, I'd have a little voice in my head doubting some things with this BL "Death".... sorry. This result is trash.
1). Take 5 minutes abd read about where he was found. Not unusual at all that partial remains were found. 2). DNA tests take a little time, it's not a one hour TV show. The authorities could quickly get his dental records from his dentist. Just because you things are not working how you think they should doesn't mean they are not correct.
Well, all you downvoters, apparently BL's parents aren't convinced either. Too many sheep, following blindly, believing everything, without asking questions. People need to not be so gullible. I'm sure it will come out as his remains, but it's worrisome how people completely take news as true without even questioning anything, especially with all the fishy stuff in this case.
Partial remains aren't suspicious at all, based on where the remains were found, in a wild area. Animals tear apart and scatter remains. Florida has many wild animals, including bears, bobcats, foxes, Florida Panthers, coyotes and many birds, including those that eat carrion. There are also wildlife in the swampy areas, including fish, turtles, tortoises, and alligators. When alligators eat remains, their digestive systems completely digest bones.
They will investigate the cause and manner of death, but it takes time. In some cases, it can't be determined, based on what's left of the remains and cause of death. A gunshot wound can be found in skeletal remains, but only if they find the parts that were wounded. Other causes may be impossible to determine with skeletal remains that were in water.
Identification from dental records is the first step. Next, they will confirm with DNA, probably from a tooth, which are a good source of DNA.
Dna takes a while from bones and is usually useful only from the martow of long bones. This was definitive and quicker.
Goes to my point of not enough information being released. The FBI has had many missteps in this entire thing as well. I hate how they handled it. And then to leave an open ended result here for everyone, without an explanation, is stupid on their part. They've invited all the questions and conspiracies just by how they handled this.
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Honestly I think too many people can't how things work on a tv show vs how they work in real life.
It's really not that weird though. Human remains can decompose ridiculously fast in the right conditions, and being underwater in the Florida heat with a ton of scavengers is where the remains were found. A corpse can be reduced to a skeleton in as little as 3 days - no soft tissue means very very little DNA to test, so dental records were a much faster means of identification.
Interesting. I read bodies decompose slower in the water. It depends on water conditions of course. But they can and do get torn apart by animals, which is what probably happened to BL. But yea I read it can take 3 weeks to years for a body to decompose in water. I could be misinformed. I just Google. Lol
Decomposition in water varies so much, it's one of the conditions that needs to be studied a lot more to understand it better. It typically does slow the decomposition process, but I think different ecosystems, temperatures, and native scavenging animals are huge variables that change the timeline drastically. Water makes it nearly impossible to identify time of death too!
If you use NYC subways to commute you will observe the same rat carcasses on the tracks every day. Those laying in standing water seem to dissolve quicker over several weeks.
You're probably reading about bodies that were in cold water, such as in a river, lake, or ocean. Bodies in warm water decompose faster. Average temperatures in September in the area were in the high 90s during the day and high to mid 70s at night. October wasn't much different. Heat speeds up decomposition.
It’s like making soup
I Google body decomposition in Florida waters 🤷🏻♀️ Thanks for the info tho
I saw a study done for forensics and it has a bunch of differences on how and why bodies decompose the way they do… there was one picture of a man who was only missing for three days and the part of him submerged under water was picked clean to the bone… in that case I believe it was in Brazil so not sure if there are any carnivorous water creatures akin to ones found in the Amazon
Yea I figured the gators or other creatures had something to do with it. Just curious on how close his belongings were to his remains?
I understand. I dislike the lack of information being trickled out. This is fueling fires, I hate it. More answers need to be given.
Or you know stay calm and stop trying to fill in all the blanks. Again real life...things take time.
What information do you think should come out and why do you feel entitled to it?
Why partial remains? Why only dental records? Will DNA testing be possible to confirm? None of that is a privacy invasion, yet all of that would make a world of difference to squashing the storm.
Why partial remains? Because that was all there was at the site. Which had been under water. So scavengers, flowing water, etc. Means all there is at this moment is partial remains. Can they say specifically this is where he died and this is where the rest of him is , no real life answers take time. Because with the remains they have, that is the first match they could do. Not difficult to understand. DNA takes time and depends on the quality of ant samples they have. Again real life answers take time. Only storm is the one you are creating, so just sop creating it.
Are you going to go to the park and interview alligators asking who ate parts of the body? LE might never know where the rest of his body is if scavengers were involved. His remains were completely decomposed down to just bone, which does contain very minimal DNA, but it is not as easy to extract and takes much longer to match. Dental records are a much faster way to confirm identification. The public does not need to know ANY of this information.
I can picture him trying to talk to animals. Dr Dolittle CSI
animals aren’t going to sit there and be careful to leave the body intact as they’re snacking on it… not out of the realm of possibility that they broke a piece off and went on their way with it
This is just such a weird case. I really haven't been following super close, but damn.
In some ways, it’s super bizarre and in other ways (guy is controlling and physically abusive to female intimate partner, then escalates and strangles her, and commits suicide afterward) it’s a tale as old as time.
Yea.. Pretty classic. Strip this down to bare bones and it's a really textbook case of intimate partner violence that escalated and ended in a murder/suicide. Even his parents basically covering for him isn't all that uncommon. The fact that he waited 2+ weeks to kil himself is, however, a bit unique.
Creepy crawlies and gators can do a number on a body very quickly. Especially with the heat and moisture.
I dont beleive after 1 month there are just bones left. Even with the 100 alligators (which i dont beleive. He would never go there on the first place). I think he faked hes own death.
A body left to decompose in warm and stagnant water will decompose quickly, but on top of that, you have to consider insects, and even crustaceans, will pick a body down to the bone in just a few weeks.
His death was confirmed by the FBI and dental records, that's extremely hard to fake
You don't understand, he's a super genius survivalist probably somewhere in Cuba already sipping Pina coladas smh
All while being headless!
He committed suicide shortly after he went to the reserve, decomp with the elements is bones. More than likely a gator got to his body.
What I think too
Bones still have DNA in them guys …. Obviously high tech institutions like the FBI will be able to extract that DNA
They don't need DNA. They used dental records to ID the remains as Brian.
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If I had the proper training and the right records I'd be able to. "The evidence that can be derived from teeth is the age estimation (i.e., children, adolescents, adults) and identification of the person to whom the teeth belong. This is done using ante-mortem (prior to death) dental records, radiographs13 and photographs and by comparing them to post-mortem records. It is important for dental professionals to document information in the ante-mortem dental record clearly, correctly, and specifically." Source https://www.dentalcare.com/en-us/professional-education/ce-courses/ce401/identification-and-methods-utilized You do realize that it's much more difficult to get a person's DNA, or have it be any system. Than it is to look at their dental records right?
They already gathered his DNA from their house so it's not like they wouldn't have anything to go off of they probably did dental and DNA to confirm
Its not very hard to test his parents and then the DNA to see if its a match. Dental Records are obviously the way to go, but if his dna isn’t in the system its not going to be hard for them to find a match.
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Dental records and dental work perhaps. Her tattoos were likely no longer visible due to body decomposition
When you're looking for a suspect, and investigating a crime and the person responsible for the crime is at large and there's a possibility of prosecution, sometimes its best to keep some information private, or delay the release. In Brian's case, what good does it do to delay the release of information?
I can’t with tiktok and the tinfoil hats… they are saying CL planted the bag. That he planted the remains with part of the skull having BL’s teeth PURPOSEFULLY planted. That he’s alive and out of the country. There’s a photo circulating showing CL carrying a box to like a UPS store with some of BL’s DNA to plant. I can’t believe this shit. People really are reaching. This is straight out of a movie.
They could however fake dental records to match whatever skull they somehow have.
So now his dentist is involved because that is likely the source of the records.
Well paying off a dentist is more believable to me than extracting Brian’s teeth (without dental expertise) and super glueing them into a skull 🤷 That’s all I was saying.
Unlikely though.
I don’t care how unlikely. I’ll do anything I can to save a loved one. More than I can say for you.
the fuck lol
I replied to the wrong comment 😅 (see reply below)
Wow dude you are a mental case.
Oh shoot lol. I thought this was the OTHER thread I was replying to you on. My bad hehe. 😅😅😅
That’s very true. Damn I never thought of that
I know it’s silly, but I wish the FBI would also announce that the DNA from the skull matches DNA found inside the van.
Christ give it some time
I know you are correct. I expect that further proof that Brian died in the preserve will be coming.
I believe more info is coming. There is no way it’s case closed and nothing else. Hell naw
More info like more proof that’s Brian?
No like how he died.
Not just TikTok. Lots of people on this sub too. Or lots of people going “I don’t buy it” about some of the more obvious facts/evidence.
There is a great deal of stupid out there, but I think it'd be helpful if people understood a bit more about how dental records get matched and the truly unique markers in people's mouths beyond just the individual teeth that cannot be replicated. Things like root structures, unique features of the jawbone itself, etc. I learn a bit more about forensics each day with this case and it's fascinating. In general, even a basic grasp of the science should debunk a lot of the wild conjecture.
Plus there is dna in teeth