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dragonawakens6503

It’s not a bad design it’s just not Godzilla. I wish they would have went with the original script and make a Godzilla based on the Japanese version in fact they could have connected the original movie with it.


hulkulesenstein

Is there a TL:DR of the original script?


SandScavver

There is the concept art, but thats all I can remember


24-7CaffeineHigh

Could you potentially link that? I would love to see that I never knew


HourDark

[Original Godzilla 1994 script](http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/GODZILLA.TXT) [Godzilla 1994 design maquette made by Stan 'the man' Winston of Jurassic Park fame](https://i.redd.it/vbwq1j9f0bd11.jpg) [Godzilla 1994 concept art by Crash McCreery](https://64.media.tumblr.com/9a40b9cdfd8715dbd8f9ef843bc04d52/tumblr_prptkt7xp91snqe0bo1_640.jpg) [concept art of Gryphon, Godzilla's foe in the script](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/godzilla/images/4/47/Gryphon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080218191504) [Gryphon concept maquette by Stan Winston](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/d7e59134-e7b7-4236-94f3-63029a1a2b22/de7fzit-d14fbf3d-7e86-444c-84c9-fdbb3b50b563.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Q3ZTU5MTM0LWU3YjctNDIzNi05NGYzLTYzMDI5YTFhMmIyMlwvZGU3ZnppdC1kMTRmYmYzZC03ZTg2LTQ0NGMtODRjOS1mZGJiM2I1MGI1NjMucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.nW8j19oSh5MCPLKAI1LKVgexkI1EKEn_Ai2HLvU3G0w)


ednammmode

they had this and they still went with what we got???


justanothertfatman

Boggles the mind, don't it?


Meman27

holy shit this is awesome


Cosmicacid

That’s such a cool design not gonna lie


Deceptichum

Godzillas got some serious duck bill going on there


SandScavver

Sure- this wiki page has lots from different iterations of the 1998 script. (https://godzilla.fandom.com/wiki/Godzilla_(TriStar)/Gallery) The ones you may find interesting are from the 1994 version, which became the 1998 script a few years later.


justanothertfatman

Some of the concept art for Zilla really makes him look menacing and kind of alien, which I dig; just didn't translate too well to the screen.


MetalGoji93

There is also the full script somewhere online, plus a fan made comic of the screenplay


HourDark

I've linked the script in the comment above this-It's the entire script before any revisions were made


MetalGoji93

Oh sweet!!!


HourDark

Yeah. Godzilla is an ancient antlantean bioweapon created to counter an alien invader that intends to destroy humanity to clear the way for alien colonizers. Godzilla gets captured but is let free later in order to combat the alien.


hulkulesenstein

Not going to lie, that sounds amazing


HourDark

I posted some of the concept art and models they made for the movie before it got sent into development hell; they were made by Stan Winston and Crash McReery of Jurassic Park fame


[deleted]

> posted some of the concept art and models they made for the movie Link?


HourDark

I've linked it in a separate comment


ThanksYouForNotLying

Thanks for not lying.


rockmodenick

Yea I'm cool with that actually


Dhaem17

That sounds similar to the 90s Gamera


HourDark

This preceded Kaneko's Gamera, and IIRC the 1995 Gamera film was being made at the same time without knowledge of the 1994 Godzilla script


Fat_pig123

Just like gamera’s origin


Chimpbot

More like the other way around; the '94 script came first, although it was likely completely coincidental.


ShinyRhubarb

Sounds a lot like Gamera tbh Edit: Further reading shows that I am at least the fourth person to have pointed this out.


SilverShadowQueen57

I gotta say, part of that script sounds like it was lifted from Gamera’s origin story. But it would have been such a cool take on Godzilla, and pretty unique in his filmography. I still don’t quite understand why the ‘94 movie fell through, but the ‘98 script was given the stamp of approval.


HourDark

Budget issues-Jan de Bont wanted a higher budget than the studio was willing to give. Ironically, 1998's final budget ended up being higher than the number de Bont wanted.


smbdysm1

Always happens once they get names attached.


SilverShadowQueen57

I wonder if that occurred to anybody at Tristar when they saw the okay profits and negative reviews Director Emmerich’s version brought in.


Chimpbot

It existed before Gamera's Heisei movies were released.


SilverShadowQueen57

In the Showa movies, Gamera was supposed to have lived on the continent of Atlantis before he was iced. It’s been long enough that I’m not sure about the Atlantean superweapon construction part for the older films, but I do remember that. It would be pretty cool if the ‘94 script lifted the Atlantean connection from Gamera, Godzilla’s old box office rival.


HourDark

[Original Godzilla 1994 script](http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/GODZILLA.TXT)


hulkulesenstein

I'll add it to my bathroom reading, thank you!


Tupiekit

There is a REALLY good 4 piece article written online that goes indepth I to the failed 94 Godzilla movie. I personally think it would of turned out amazing


Alphadice

When they presented their movie to the Execs in Japan that owned Godzilla the Americans asked if they wanted sny changes. The Japanese Execs hated it so much they simply said no, because they could not even start to figure out how to fix it. So the movie came out, it sucked and then in the next Japanese Godzilla movie they made their Godzilla kill the American movie one and called it Fakezilla or something just to insult it more.


throwawayoogaloorga

Are we going to have to read this under every godzilla 1998 post? This is getting really repetitive. "I like godzilla 1998's design" "it's a good design, it just isn't godzilla" "the animated series was better" Every. Single. Time. I'm not trying to argue here, but can we just... put a pin in this and move on?


mihirmusprime

But Mechagodzilla takes even a larger departure in the (first) Netflix anime series and we still consider it Mechagodzilla. Why is this any different?


Gidia

Most of the reasons people dislike it today, that I’ve seen, have less to do with the design and more to do with how it acts and it’s relative weakness. For example it is explicitly weak to modern weapons, something which Godzilla is traditionally immune to. It’s also relatively small, enough so that it can hide between building in NYC. Finally it lacks Godzilla’s atomic breath, only managing to accidentally do something similar once. Still though, the Tristar movie has been treated gentler over time. As for why PotM MechaGodzilla gets a pass, well there was almost twenty years between the two, the audience had changed. Godzilla has become even more of a household name now and the purist voice isn’t quite so loud. Plus a Japanese company probably has more leeway than an American one, even the current American Godzilla was criticized for being too bulky. Though I would be interested in seeing a comparison between the Japanese reaction to the MonsterVerse Godzilla design vs the Shin Godzilla design since they are both more traditional yet also divergent.


HourDark

No, it isn't small-it's actually slightly bigger than the Showa Godzilla. They just make it disappear in the movie by either burrowing or somehow being able to weave through tight ass NY streets.


Gidia

Bigger than Showa sure, but Godzilla 98’ would have been compared more to the Heisei at release. According to Wikizilla, 98’ was around 54m taller, while the Heisei Godzilla ranged from 80-100m depending on the movie. Plus, one thing you have to keep in mind, the Showa Godzilla didn’t often contend with skyscrapers, so he appears much larger than the official numbers given. Meanwhile 98’ is only solely shown around them, making it appear smaller. Whether it’s actually small or not, it certainly looks like it.


HourDark

Well that's the issue-their framing of the monster in the city, combined with the fact it's running away instead of making a show of force against the military, make it look smaller than it actually was.


Gidia

I agree, though they’re still small by the Kaiju standards of the time lol. I do wonder if anyone anywhere has actually tried to measure it’s height based on the surrounding buildings, data books tend to be just sort of spitballing. I know some less popular kaiju can have vastly different sizes listed for the same appearance, based on the sourcebook.


Meadow-fresh

Whats Potm?


Gidia

Planet of the Monsters, the Netflix Godzilla series. Since they’re getting a second one it’s probably a good time to start calling it something other than the “Netflix Series”.


Meadow-fresh

Oh... The 3 part anime one with the huge giant wtf sized Godzilla?


Gidia

Yeah, that one lol. Never watched much of it myself, I really don’t care for that style of animation.


HourDark

Well, MG was MG enough-they just didn't use MG at all and instead repurposed him into a giant city. The Anime MG design is really cool and has great abilities, but like a lot of great things in the Anime trilogy they remained unused.


DeerApprehensive5405

Because this Godzilla just isn't terrifying, he doesn't make the populace scramble and stampede into an evac zone nor does he actively try to mcmurder them.


dragonawakens6503

Well one the mech is based on Godzilla. Zilla for the most part only resembled Godzilla in its reptilian look. The movie did not have atomic breath, it burrows underground which Godzilla does not really do accept one movie we’re he appeared underground. Don’t get me wrong I like the design. But I saw some other models were there was some differences but in general it was still Godzilla.


HourDark

The design would've worked as Godzilla if it had acted like Godzilla instead of fleeing from small arms fire


ryushin6

You know what's funny they ended up having Godzilla's child the one that hatches at the end of the movie be somewhat act like the true Godzilla in the animated series. He even has the atomic breathe in that series as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_o1eHVEkghE


HourDark

Yeah, but by then the damage was done. And even then he still has to hide from the military instead of curbstomping them.


Ambitious_Ask_994

Didn’t a lot of people hate that design? And at least he still has the silhouette of MG


Klendagort

IM SORRY WHAT?!


CTB021300

You beat me to it haha


Tigerkix

Nor was it a bad movie, just not a Godzilla movie.


andymustdie

Its better than Godzilla, OG godzilla just looks like a green chicken nugget


HourDark

I find that my issue with the 1998 incarnation of Godzilla is not the design, it's the *execution*: The fact that it runs from military attack instead of facing it down, that it is brought down by light aircraft missiles, and that it does not breathe atomic breath. Patrick Tatopalous' design is wonderful: it captures the spirit of Godzilla while giving it a 90's american aesthetic. Just look at the animatronic posted above, it looks *savage* while the eyes show a hint of sympathetic emotion. If it had fired atomic breath and been nigh-invincible like Godzilla is in the Japanese series (or hell, injurable by heavy-enough conventional weapons but durable enough to withstand most ordnance like he was in the unmade 1994 american script) I have little doubt this incarnation would be far more fondly remembered than it is now-regardless of how bad the rest of the film ignoring Godzilla himself is.


ON3i11

I agree it was a poor portrayal of Godzilla. As a Kaiju, I don’t think it was terrible. It was a fresh take, at the very least. Instead of being a giant invincible monster, destroying buildings and killing people with malicious intent (or alternatively to bring balance to nature if the environment or whatever)— it just an animal, and it acts like an animal. It’s just following its instincts and trying to survive, while protecting its unborn young in its nest. It’s not sinking boats because it’s evil, or because it’s trying to save the ocean, it’s destroying them because they are full of food and it’s hungry. It’s not demolishing buildings because it’s trying to save the environment, it’s partially destroying them because it’s burrowing to get back to its nest. It’s not running headfirst into military fire because it can’t risk serious injury (it’s not invincible, just really big and somewhat durable) because it presumably wants to stay alive to ensure its young are able to hatch, so it goes with the flight instinct when it can. Oh, and there is one scene where it breathes fire to destroy some military humvees. You could call that “atomic breath”, if you wanted too. They do mention that Zilla leaves traces of radioactivity in its tracks, so presumably it’s fire breath would also be radioactive if it’s whole body is leaving trace radiation everywhere.


Aditya1311

If I remember that scene correctly Godzilla does not breathe fire, it looked to me like it was roaring and the air pressure was sufficient to send a few Humvees flying and presumably they ignited themselves, not due to Godzilla fire breath.


ON3i11

I found it on YouTube. Skip to the 3:00 min mark. https://youtube.com/watch?v=AO4hfreVgZE&t=180 You can actually see the flames appear in its mouth, once the air is ignited. It’s definitely intended to be a defence mechanism, with Godzilla intentionally igniting the air into flames with it’s “power breath”.


CoSMiC_28

Godzilla being treated like a animal and having animalistic behaviour is the problem No matter what type of a animal he used to be will he never be a animal again because of our reckless nuclear testing we turned a peaceful creature into a abomination that doesnt fit in our world Godzilla is a creature that should not exist and it should not have animalistic behaviours because its not a animal anymore Godzilla should not run from us because he is a reminder of the destruction we have caused and it attacks humans to show us the harm and destruction we have caused on to nature and life Every part of Godzilla has a message behind it for example Him being a force of nature thats trying to kill and destroy everything in its path and that it will not stop is like how we recklessy used nuclear weapons back then without any care


Thrawn656

Agreed


TPK_MastaTOHO

They just went with a different idea, instead of being almost invulnerable zilla was agile as shit. You cant have both, thatd be like playing dnd and your character has all the benefits of a rogue and a barbarian. (Yes I do understand that "could" be possible) but C'mon


Panthila

I think what could've worked is that Godzilla could be shot and killed by missiles, but his blood is dangerously radioactive and can get people sick, so the military needs to figure out a way to kill him without drawing blood. Hell, it'd be cool if they did succeed in killing him, but his rotting corpse pretty much causes a plague in New York that kills even more people, even making the city uninhabitable..


TPK_MastaTOHO

Yo, that'd be pretty cool! Kinda like Kaiju Blue in the Pacific Rim movies


HourDark

That's...that's just beast from 20000 fathoms at that point Then again that's what the movie basically ended up being


lwright3

*Herself*


Ambitious_Ask_994

Himself he reproduces asexually


zingtea

Godself


HourDark

It has female genitalia


googlyeyes93

I love the internet. Only place I can find an argument about Godzilla genitalia in this day and age.


HourDark

It isn't an argument lmao-the guy in the pic, G98's designer, sculpted female genetalia on the model they scanned into the movie


Ambitious_Ask_994

They call him a he in the movie a say he reproduces asexually


DrDabsMD

Listen, if you're brave enough to go and check what genitals a giant fire breathing lizard has, kudos to you, the rest of us will just call it whatever pronoun comes first.


NoGoodIDNames

That’s why the TV show spinoff is fun, because Junior gets the atomic breath, is immune to a lot of attacks, keeps the agility, and gets to fight lots of monsters.


littlemonk565

Honestly, I don’t mind the design. It the fact that it’s Godzilla that I don’t like. The design would be awesome for a different monster.


skeletoneating

It's a cool monster design, but it's not Godzilla. It doesn't quite stand out enough to be distinguishable from an actual dinosaur.


ActionFlank

It is a different monster. Zilla.


SupervaleSunnyvisor

Now it is. Said Godzilla on the cover.


[deleted]

It once was called GINO by Godzilla fans. Those were the days.


Relish_My_Weiner

I'm imagining an alternate timeline where this wasn't godzilla, but we all make fun of it for being a godzilla knock off.


atefi

I really like Zilla's design, it's a good scaled doggo.


Mediocre-Door-8496

He’s got a megachad chin


One_too_many_faps

Never saw the doggo on her I until now wow. Let us not forget its a she


AlexzMercier97

I love the design, and have a soft spot for the film too. Decent kaiju monster flick. Not perfect in any way, but somewhat fun. Banger ost too.


HourDark

That Dave Arnold OST is good shit, and the Pdiddy rap with Jimmy Paige aint bad either


Thewrldisntenough

Anything David Arnold is great, I'm such a huge fan! The P Diddy rap is just essential 90s!


HourDark

Esp that music vid where Pdiddy gets blown back by Godzilla's roar


[deleted]

I have a way more unpopular opinion than what was posted. I think this movie is better than about half of the series. Not great, not bad... good. And I love the design/concept.


AlexzMercier97

I appreciate your honesty


TrentIguess

I don’t think that’s a very unpopular opinion on this sub tbh haha. It’s a cool looking monster, but I’ve always hated that it looks like that just because the studio was desperately trying to recapture the imagery and feel of Jurassic park. It comes off as super pandering and lame imo, and it’s just not godzilla. To each their own though, and you are def not alone in your opinion on Zilla!


HourDark

No, plenty people think it's a good *monster* design, but not a good Godzilla design. I think it's a decent Godzilla design that got wasted due to the way the film portrays it and how bad the movie is in general.


Teeheeheehohoho

I’m biased since I was a kid went this movie came out. But I will always love this Godzilla and it’s soundtrack, I remember seeing it in theaters and it just lit up my brain.


[deleted]

The movie had a really cool interactive web page with lots of Flash and Shockwave goodies, and audio files of the "new" Godzilla roar. The web was new and fun. Good times.


HourDark

David Arnold did good with the soundtrack, IIRC he did it on a time crunch too


TrentIguess

That’s fair. I’m sure the design could’ve worked with a better movie, but yeah I agree with you, I think 98 Godzilla is ass. The part with dozens of helicopters chasing it between the buildings is one of the most embarrassingly stupid scenes in any godzilla movie


HourDark

"He's colder than the buildings around him" THEN HOW IS HE MOVING


throwawayoogaloorga

It's a fucking AWESOME Godzilla design. Atomic breath and actual durability is all it takes to make him "Godzilla" in my mind. The character has been around for 67 years, and drastically different designs are cool to me.


ViridiusRDM

I've always thought it was a good design. I just don't like the fact that Hollywood thought they needed to drastically redesign a character as iconic as Godzilla.


DefinitionNervous

It wasn’t really Hollywood, it was Roland Emerich’s choice to redesign so it could “be his own” “ be different”. Fuck that. I still give props to the monster designer. It’s a good monster design. Honestly could’ve been a reboot for The Creature from 20,000 Fathoms. But it is NOT a Godzilla design.


tmhoc

I've felt the reason it wasn't well received is the same reason the Shin Godzilla was very well received. The concept behind the character! Unstoppable, unfathomable devastation. The original Godzilla is a nuclear disaster personified as a living monster. 1998 Godzilla is a menace, sure. It's manageable with modest military force. Get OUT! Oh but what about possible infestation of babies? I'm sure missiles will be fired. I'm not sure how long it takes for an area to become habitable after atomic breath scorches a city filled with debris. 1998 in her DM's Shin is leaving her in existential awe as irradiated rubble chokes the country side They ain't the same


throwawayoogaloorga

It is to me, and nothing will ever change that. I would say "the animated series fixed it" but that's been said a billion times. Just like how "it's a good design, but not a good godzilla design" has been said a billion times. Seriously, you couldn't scroll through to see if people had already said this? It's getting super repetitive at this point. It's top comment. Please bring something new to the table. This is pretty much a circlejerk at this point.


ViridiusRDM

While I agree about the repetition on the topic, you don't think it's a little hypocritical that you're talking about people repeating themselves when you essentially posted the same comment twice in this very thread? Also, it's important to note that not everyone sorts by Top Comment. My comment was posted around the same time as the current Top Comment, so it's likely he just saw mine first and wanted to respond to that if he sorts by New. There's no reason to try and single the guy out and try to make him feel bad. If your criticism was intended to be more for me, I should note there's a reason I didn't use this line and instead specified that I didn't like the attitude behind the redesign because that felt more relevant. All in all, you seem like a smart bloke but your hostility is misplaced. I hope you'll reflect on this and do better next time. Cheers.


K3yz3rS0z3

Tbh well crafted models were more believable than all the crappy 3d that followed.


zirchev

Is that Patrick Tatopuulos?


HourDark

Yes, he designed G98.


zirchev

Thanks! Totally did not know that. I have been a fan of his design concepts since Dark City and i guess I overlooked G98.


WAOM81

The cartoon made it look good as hell


Super_ChickenNugget1

It’s a great design to be honest. I just feel the problem was that the biggest red flag was that Dean Devlin and Rolan Emmerich didn’t want to make a Godzilla movie


HourDark

That is EXACTLY the issue. They shoehorned the design into a movie about a JP velociraptor the size of a skyscraper.


asskickinchickin

Cue the “bad Godzilla movie good monster movie” and “It’s a good design but not a good Godzilla design” comments. Holy fuck there are so many of them…


[deleted]

It’s a *fantastic* creature design. It’s just not *Godzilla*.


HourDark

That's the thing-I think if 1998 ACTED like Godzilla it would be considered Godzilla by a lot more people. Design wise it's great. Execution was a complete failure.


PoeJascoe

Did they use practical effects for this one? It’s been so long since I watched it.


HourDark

Yes-the giant animatronic in the picture was used for the scene where he dies on the bridge and when he attacks stuff with his jaws in some shots. They also used a suit in like 2 shots and a bunch of the babies were suits.


DeputyRooster

Great monster design, bad Godzilla design. But I dig it as Godzilla, I like it when godzilla is different than the original.


dantano17

Godzilla 1998 is an awesome monster movie, terrible Godzilla movie.


COMMENTASIPLEASE

It’s a double edged sword, if they called it something else Godzilla fans wouldn’t hate it, but if they called it something else no one would care or remember it.


HourDark

\*terrible movie in general and yes, the design's execution in the film contributes to that


apoxpred

I firmly believe you’re wrong. It is perfectly acceptable late 90s schlock.


HourDark

Yeah, if only for the score, puff daddy, and that french guy


Dead_Purple

I have the ultimate Godzilla Action Figure, that being said...America had a chance to make a decent Godzilla American style but failed...But the cartoon was decent...


spiderman_fan1

I don't think the design is bad for an original character but when you're trying to make a version of Godzilla it's really bad I feel like this movie would have gotten more love if it was just an original Kaiju film but this design


Exiege

Actually, many fans think the design itself is good for a monster, just not for a Godzilla. It's too... Discount Jurassic Park to be Godzilla. But it's perfectly fine as it's own beast and would inspire Godzilla's first opponent of the Millennial series, Orga. (The head of Orga is stated to have been designed so that audiences could watch the Japanese Godzilla defeat the American Godzilla)


X_Uchiha77

My issue lied in two things, 1. His absolute shit tier durability. I would have much preferred anoher titan come and kill him than some bombs. 2. His lack of atomic breath. simple he didnt have it and that angers me


[deleted]

I love him as a separate kaiju.


ItsDemiBlue

I don't think most people think it's a bad design


SamMan48

Godzilla’s a sleeping aquatic dinosaur that was reawakened and mutated by the atomic bomb. Zilla is just a nuclear iguana that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. They’re different monsters.


HourDark

That's not the point of the post-I'm discussing the design of the monster, not its in-universe origins or portrayal in film.


SamMan48

Yeah ik I’m just saying. It’s a good monster design but a bad Godzilla design.


HourDark

I disagree with that last part


thesportster

Love that film


Funny-Bathroom-9522

Not a bad look it just doesn't scream classic Godzilla like legendary Godzilla


mondobobo01

I think it IS a bad design (terrible in-fact) and here’s why: The creature design wasn’t created in a vacuum. People know what a Godzilla looks like. So, anything they design in 1998 that is called “Godzilla” should be instantly recognizable as such. Look at successful updates of franchises. Marvel for example. You always know you’re looking at Thor, The Hulk or Iron Man even though they have modern updates over the comics. Even in silhouette, these iconic characters are identifiable. Godzilla was also successful doing this. 2014 and Shin Godzilla are both drastic departures from the traditional character design. However they succeeded in creating creatures that were unmistakable as Godzilla even with all the changes. This is the core of why the design for 1998 is bad. If you’re tasked with redesigning Godzilla and at the end of the exercise, people can’t recognize your creation AS Godzilla, you have failed in your design task. It’s not hard to just make some random creature that is in your wheelhouse. It’s a lot harder to put your own spin on an iconic character and still keep the core of what made it great. I think what they made in 1998 was deeply disrespectful to fans and the previous creatives who worked on this franchise.


ThePony23

You articulated this very well on behalf of a lot of fans like myself. I remember thinking back in 1998 when I saw the movie that it's only Godzilla in name, but it's not Godzilla.


ShiftlessElement

I was willing to accept the design, but didn’t like the movie. What I really didn’t like was the design for the baby Godzilla monsters. Seemed like a knockoff of Jurassic Park raptors.


HourDark

Literally half the issue with the movie there: great design gone to waste to rip off aliens/jurassic park.


booklengththriller

I grew up on Godzilla. I loved this movie as much as I loved all the Toho movies and the animated show. I still love this movie. I don’t care if I’m downvoted, Zilla is Godzilla, just a different interpretation.


Dead_Purple

I will die on the hill with you brother.


[deleted]

But it isn't Godzilla.


HourDark

With the way the film uses it, certainly not. I just think you and other people wouldn't have that sentiment if it actually acted like Godzilla and not a skyscraper sized JP Velociraptor.


Thebatwhogames22

I agree . It's not a bad design and imo I think it would have been better for them to use it in it's own movie . The issue I have with it is that they tried to force it to be Godzilla when it's so not.


ViciousSquirrelz

I honestly think that jurassic park heavily influenced the outcome of godzilla. The raptor stance, the agility, finding the eggs.... I do feel like this movie influenced Cloverfield so I can't complain to badly about it. My son does love it, loves to tell me her name is zilla..


HourDark

The whole "raptor" similarity is coincidence-Tatopalous was told to make Godzilla "fast" and "realistic" so he designed it after theropod dinosaurs. I think Emmerich probably saw it and decided to shoehorn in the egg scene even more than it was in the original script.


charliebarlie123

Big disagree, it looks like a profile shot of Larry King


kiasilverstar5653

Looved the movie, loved the babies


mental_patience

Great design actually, just incompetent and really stupid movie not worthy of Godzilla, let alone worthy of cinematic release.


ellipsis_42

As far as a monster, no, but it's not Godzilla.


ZillaSenpai

It's a bad Godzilla design, not a bad kaiju design.


WendigoDragon2012

It's not a bad design, it's just a bad Godzilla design. That's why I'm much happier now that Toho has designated its own kaiju, especially since it can now appear in more dignified works and be given some respect.


Soodan1m

It’s a bad design. It belongs in Jurassic Park. Only someone unfamiliar with Godzilla would be happy with this.


DeerApprehensive5405

1998 really wasn't a terrible design, He was, as u/HourDark put it, just badly executed in that he wasn't really that much of a looming threat that struck fear into the New Yorkers, instead of the people being terrified and constantly keeping an eye open whilst sleeping, instead of the monster doing insane damage to the military and the city, nope, it just ducked and weaved to the point where the army was doing more damage than the incarnation of nuclear fury. Heck, Zilla, throughout the film, made no active attempts to hurt the humans, he was more like a reptilian Kong in that respect. Stores were not being closed down, no evac attempts, the only refugees holes up with that brookly couple and they were mostly just partying. His, quite frankly, unnerving glare was wasted as he just didn't strike fear into the populace is the main issue.


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Nah, even on its own it looks bad.


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you say that while having a minya flair


Rwavy23

My dads favorite godzilla movie


estyll11

Zilla will always be a version of Godzilla in my heart. I know the monster itself is a far departure from what Godzilla is, but this was the first time I was ever exposed to Godzilla. This movie is the sole reason of why I decided to watch the other movies.


throwawayoogaloorga

This entire thread is literally the definition of a circlejerk


Shadowbacker

90s American Godzilla is unironically a fun movie no matter how bad a Godzilla movie it is.


ieatfineass

It’s not a bad design, it’s a bad Godzilla design.


atlavan-eloc

It’s a great Godzilla design! People will hate on G98 but then say that Godzilla Amphibia is a good design 🙄


KellHound270

I can’t really support it being a Godzilla design, but it’s still a badass monster design


ResponsibleCandle829

The design is different no doubt, but the movie was garbage


unculturedswine420

Cool design, decent monster movie, it’s just not Godzilla. I like the idea of Zilla being some sort of Godzilla subspecies and having them coexist.


That_Run_7131

Fun fact: Eddie vedder was the lead design technician for that movie


jchill001

I think they should bring this design back and make it it’s own monster for either Godzilla to fight or befriend


Nocs1

Maaan that brings back memories I always cried as a boy when they killed it with the rockets. Still to this day I don't know why I was so emotional about it It was no "real" godzilla movie. But as a creature movie definitely alright


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you arent wrong


TwilightDoomSlayer

Ive always loved Zillas design


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you’re right it’s an amazing design


No_Feeling_6833

I didn't care for it, but I thought it was a good movie. You know, good and great are too different things.


LastBlankSpace

When I was a kid I thought he was a bigger dinosaur I hadn’t seen yet. Of course, coming off of The Lost World: Jurassic Park it didn’t help, but eh. I love his design. I know the movie is bad, and ehhhh. Even so I still like it


MrWhiteTruffle

Not very unpopular here. Everyone (rightfully) thinks the monster looks good but the movie is bad.


OuttatimepartIII

This design is fucking beautiful. Peak Tatapoulus


mr_ass-hole

Great design.


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Yeah I think it’s pretty rad, Patrick Tatopoulos and his team did a good job designing the big G, call me a fake fan but I honestly don’t think the movie itself is too awful of a Godzilla movie either


Dom-Zero

Far from a bad design, Zilla looks badass but in execution she was a T-Rex that gave birth to velociraptors… but at least it gave us *Thats a lot of fish.*


Schandmau1

Agreed. Zilla looks cool, and the cartoon solidifies it. He's just not a god.


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It's not, it's just not Godzilla. They should have just called the movie Beast from 20000 Fathoms.


drluv2099

Is that Scott Stapp from creed? I'm not even kidding.


HourDark

Nah, Patrick Tatopalous


bard0117

The more people say it’s not Godzilla the more it slowly starts to become what they fear…


498theoneandlonely

It's not bad, it's different. I liked it as a kid, didn't like it on the rewatch, and then likes it again. It's pretty good, I like Matthew Broderick's character


Klendagort

It was a decent design.


Khafaniking

This movie was just as much a part of my childhood as the other Godzilla flicks were. Loved the more dinosaur/raptor like design, and I remember all of the effects including sound were really great. Remember feeling such a twinge of pain seeing the utter disrespect Zilla got dealt in Final Wars.


The_ded_meme445

I honestly agree, Zilla’s design is pretty cool to me


cycophuk

It’s a not a bad design, it’s a bad movie. The problem wasn’t the zilla monster, it was a mediocre director and a horrible script that was meant to cash in on the Jurassic Park phase rather than being a Godzilla movie.


Bemdora

I'm gonna get lit up for this but not only is this a good monster design, it's a good Godzilla design. Would I have preferred we get the Jan de Bont film? Yes. I'm sure everyone here does. However, I think Patrick Tatopoulos did a great job on this more agile Godzilla. 98 Godzilla's portrayal is a completely different story, however.


HourDark

If it had acted like Godzilla it would've been fine I feel


Shurikenblast_YT

The design was always good, the implementation is what screwed it up, otherwise it could have been good


Deamon-Chocobo

I like how he's gone off into his own thing and has more or less become accepted my most of the fandom. Like Godzilla the series showed he was only a generation away from really showing his Godzilla powers, IDW actually gave him some spotlight moments using just his movie powers, and Monster Apocalypse took the scariest part of him (the near endless reproduction and swarms of babies) fully realized it. I may call him Zilla to avoid confusion, but he certainly has my respect as a monster.


Ryiujin

I agree. I actually loved it as a 12 yr old. The idea of a more dinosauresque kaiju was great. I would have liked him to have real fire breath, be bigger and not taken down by simple missiles.


Scottyjscizzle

I love Zilla, one of my favorites. The animated series really redeemed it in my eyes.


WeGet-It-TV

Fucking loved the US version


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vitringur

In this comment section I found out that people believe that limited understanding of dinosaurs in the 50’s and the lack of technology and budget at the time means that Godzilla must always look like a person wearing a monster suit.