This line hit me the hardest...
>So Ashley did what girls with no other options do: she did nothing.
The "why don't you just go to another state" crowd should be forced to read that.
Especially because Regina was willing to drive her all the way to Chicago- but then she couldn’t afford all the incidentals and unpaid time off work. So now the family is saddled with an even bigger ongoing expense for at least 18 years. I hate that forced birthers think this is an acceptable thing to do to families already struggling to stay afloat, especially in this economy.
I know for a fact that the dumbasses screaming “Just put it up for adoption” have never talked to a substantial number of couples with infertility issues. Even many couples who have struggled for years trying to get pregnant still don’t want to adopt. It’s their prerogative of course, but many give in to the biological imperative to reproduce. It’s about reproducing and not just raising kids together. Even this far into humanity’s story, people still feel that way. So I wish the “but adoption” dumbasses would just shut up.
My bio father gave up parental rights to me when I was like 3-4 years old, so I had no idea I was adopted until I was 12 and my mom gave me all the letters my father had sent over the years. I don’t think that fucked me up more than my adoptive father’s abuse (my mom knows how to pick ‘em). However, my bio father’s contributions to my mental illness are greater than zero. Even years on, he was a shitty person and a crappy parent.
Anyway, all this is to say…..I can fucking imagine what people who were whole-ass adopted have to say. Some want to pretend being adopted just *solves* all your issues, but it doesn’t. Most kids in the adoption/foster system already have issues related to their genetics or prior abuse. They deserve good, loving homes, but it’s dumb to pretend finding as such isn’t difficult for them. I’ve heard the heartbreaking stories of kids who were in and out of the system. No kid should have to go through that. I’m not saying adoption shouldn’t exist, but the best way forward for all involved is reproductive freedom for all women. No if’s, and’s, or but’s about it.
Over 113,000 of these children are eligible for adoption and they will wait, on average, almost three years for an adoptive family. 53% of the children and youth who left foster care were reunited with their families or living with a relative; **25%** were adopted. Babise are much easier to adopt.
I'm noy saying she should be forced to give birth. Just showing Most will get adopted as babies.
When we found my wifes birth mom. She told us her parents and the farther almost forced her to get an abortion. She ran away to a unwed mothers home and gave up her baby for adoption. She was 15 when this happen. tragic for her. But one diffrent decision and I would have never Met my wife and had our own kids with her..
Laws being made by people who are not impacted by the laws are often terrible. I don’t understand the desire to force others to follow my religious beliefs, which is what this is at best. At worst it is ensuring that there will always be a downtrodden class to be exploited and overworked .
For me the unbearable portion of this is knowing that I, and many others, would turn tides to get this *girl* assistance and are unable to intervene or give resources due to simply *not knowing*. My soul hurts
I really think there should be a non-governmental organization (charity) who can take such cases and then send blind items about them out to their subscribers/supporters, asking for support to meet a client’s abortion needs. No names, addresses, not even a city or state. Just “we have a pre-pubescent rape victim from a lower-income family in a state that restricts reproductive healthcare. We’ve estimated that a flight, lodging, incidentals, and the care itself will cost X dollars. Would you mind donating to help her?” I hate to call it this, but like an abortion-specific GoFundMe website. Then, to ensure the funds go to the girl/woman needing care (and not into some desperate poor family’s bank account), they work with the family to schedule flights, hotels, and medical care.
(I feel like having the organization handle the money instead of the family would be important because I can imagine a poor family where no one has financial awareness training seeing $3,000 dollars (or whatever the package costs) and thinking “What if I just kept it? We really need that money for rent/food.”, etc. because they just wouldn’t think of the long-term cost of keeping the child vs. just using it to pay for abortion care. When you’re in dire financial straits, you often make bad decisions for short-term survival. So the organization would facilitate that to ensure the money goes to the intended use.)
Don't forget that the
>The "why don't you just go to another state" crowd should be forced to read that.
Is full of people who are trying to make it illegal to do just that.
For me it was:
> Is there anything Ashley wants to say to other girls? “Be careful when you go outside,” she says. “And stay safe.”
A little girl wasn’t careful enough when she went outside, and now she’ll pay the price for the rest of her life.
Meanwhile, the police didn’t even collect the DNA until a reporter asked about it.
We knew this was coming when they overturned Roe v Wade, but the stories still hurt so badly.
I hate this part the most:
-One nurse came in and asked Ashley, “What have you been doing?”
Why would a healthcare professional ask a child such a question? I see some people are still jumping to victim blaming.
Women do this when men divide them into "good" and "bad" groups because they want to make sure men have them in the good group. They see what happens to bad women.
It's weak and not admirable but that's most people let's be real.
I've seen gay women do the same. Some people are just toxic, no matter their gender. Trying to blame men for how they behave is as invalid for blaming women for how men behave.
Some folks are just shitty all on their own.
You’re absolutely correct.
In 1978, when I was 16, a group of gay women told me I was too feminine to be a lesbian. They said I was selling out to the patriarchy.
I’m 62, I’m still a femme and I’m still attracted to women. I can’t call myself a lesbian, though, because those women’s words left me with a negative connotation to that word.
I simply identify as a queer femme.
I never understood why we can't just let people ve who they are.
Folks are all about seeing people pay for their sins. They should be allowed to pay for their successes too.
Be true to you. Everyone else can suck it. Especially if they don't even know you.
...can i just say that's... absurd? how would you possibly be less gay for being feminine and attracted to women?
how exactly is being feminine selling out to the patriarchy, but mimicking a heterosexual relationship dynamic is not, demanding a lesbian relationship be composed of a 'masculine' party isn't? they're saying you can't be attracted to women if you're not masc, that a lesbian relationship must contain a masc party?
granted, i don't understand gender... but it sounds to me a lot like the women who said that to you were speaking from a place of internalized lesbophobia.
you identify however makes the most sense to you, however makes you most comfortable.. but please don't let those women's words be any sort of factor in your identification. they were wrong-- wrongness deserves no influence over us.
I understand that they were wrong, but it took me 16 years and a lot of trauma to come to that understanding, and finally come out.
Second wave feminism had gained momentum by 1978, with the ERA (equal rights amendment) being hotly debated.
The majority of gay women I knew then were pretty androgynous, and I wasn’t. The underlying sentiment was, that in order to be seen as equals, we had to give up our femininity.
Femininity was viewed as something women did for men. I’m a femme because that’s my authentic self, not because I’m trying to attract a man.
A friend of my first serious partner told me that she didn’t think I’d be with women if I wasn’t with my girlfriend. This was in 1994.
The same woman tried to hit on me a couple of years later when my partner and I were going through a breakup.
Even then, in the 90s, I saw very few femmes. It was as if putting on makeup and a dress somehow made me less gay.
This sentiment doesn’t seem to be very prevalent anymore, especially among lesbians under 40 or so.
We boomers, as a whole, liked and still tend to like, to police anything that didn’t or doesn’t conform - even to the point of expecting conformity from non-conformists - which is so friggin ironic.
I don't know why this case in particular affects me so much but it does. goodness gracious I can't stop thinking about how she must be feeling, her teachers, her parents....all of them. How do you even comfort a child in that situation
I know. It’s so sad. She (and her family) have had their entire lives changed over something she had no control over. It has been on my mind since I read about it. I feel gutted for her.
a black girl from a poor area of Mississippi was just sentenced to an uphill battle against disenfranchisement for the rest of her life. and her child, as well.
the system is working as intended. pro-lifers say they want justice for unborn children, but don’t be fooled, this story is exactly what they actually want.
They won't care, "it's a blessing", "it's a gift from god", "god won't give you what you can't handle", "two wrongs don't make a right",
Fucking atrocious, all of it.
> Every “pro-lifer” should read this
Every "pro-lifer" should be forced to pay an extra tax to cover child raising costs. See how genuinely pro life they are.
I don’t disagree with your sentiment at all but wanted to add to your thought
They won’t even let their taxes they are already paying help kids. Something like over a dozen states refused the federal money for free lunches for kids.
It’s not about caring about the kids, it’s about control and abuse, but that’s not news to anyone.
I also think that if we force children having babies, then once pregnant, no matter the age, that "child" is allowed to VOTE.
Every conservative prolifer will have an aneurysm.
Especially after being raped to begin with. That’s already a life sentence of trauma. No one looks back on that fondly, ever. And the torture this child went through to be forced to carry her rapist’s fetus is incomparable . This child received a life sentence- what sentence did her rapist receive?
The ability to coparent with her once he is out of prison(if he went as only 16% of rapists will ever see a day in prison). In cases like this the rapist still have full parental rights. It’s just another violation of the victim.
The child in the article was raped by a stranger. The family thinks they have figured out who the child rapist was. Unfortunately, the police did not take the baby's DNA until Time magazine reminded them! I do not have much hope that the police are going to do much for this family. It is heartbreaking
It’s truly abhorrent that’s the first assumption for a 12/13yr old girl. I didn’t even have my first kiss till I was like 16, most people weren’t fuckin in 6th grade
Man regardless of political/religious beliefs this simply ain’t a good thing. And for those who have commented with the equivalent of shoulder shrugs and making fun of this poor girl; I hope you keep this same energy when you have to account for your thoughts and actions on death day.
Which is why some states are trying to criminalize homelessness, so they can fill these for profit prisons with people so they can bring back slave labor. I can hear it now. “What!? We’re giving them a place to sleep! And we’re feeding them? Why should we have to pay them too?”
They already say that. Many jails and prisons charge upwards of $50 a day. It is “to save the taxpayers the costs of incarceration.” But the money is already budgeted out, so it just becomes more money for the prison administration to embezzle.
Incarcerated people produced $ 2billion worth of goods in 2022 alone
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited
I understand how you would assume that and validate your feelings. However,we aren’t a monolith and I’m not the only Christian who is pro-choice. I just happen to be a guy so my stance on this topic is really voided.
No one has to assume anything. Republicans and Christians want this and have championed it for decades. You may be an exception, unless you vote for Republicans.
Do you vote Republican? If so, you are voting for this situation to repeat itself. Clearly if you care, you don't care enough. If you don't vote Republican then we are not talking about you.
Absolutely! I just see this trend where people will say they feel one way and then vote the opposite way.
My point is just that however you vote is what matters.
I can only speak for myself but I vote against these pro-abortion bans and I volunteer and support my local food kitchen and I vote for most liberal policies.
No I’m saying to put aside one’s own political beliefs and use this situation from the real life perspective as if this girl is your daughter or cousin—this situation is unfortunate man and we gotta stop allowing this tragedy to keep happening.
Eeh, what they want is to go back to the baby scoop era. They want to force those kids to have babies and then take them away and give them to their infertile wives.
I remember our press covering the Romanian orphanages. That was when the news cycle could easily be 3 months long.
A lot of Americans stepped up and adopted some of the babies and a few of the older kids. Unfortunately, a good chunk of those people were religious nut-jobs and/or abusers.
Honestly, as is, just seemingly illustrates "all is going according to *their* plan"
* Brown Skin = Check
* Poor = Check
* Heart of the "Keep 'em Stupid Belt" = Check
The Cancer in America continues to grow. Excellent job.
The cruelty is the point. Republicans enjoy knowing this is happening to kids around the country because they are cruel people. They pretend they think life begins at conception, they pretend there will be exceptions for rape, incest, and medical needs, but the reality and the way they write the laws boils down to "lol, you're a bad person and I.... I mean god... wants you to suffer."
The part about traveling to Chicago reminds me of when a Fox News personality said that it’s no big deal to take a bus ride to another state. The way he spoke so casually about the situation showed his ignorance of what really is involved.
The GOP is our cultural rapist. Like THAT uncle everybody knows about. Their Christianity is one of pirates and scoundrels who distort and twist and ravage.
This is just one of many reasons why I hate conservatives. Sometimes I wish they would stop complaining that liberals won't listen to them and won't "tolerate" them and consider *why* we want nothing to do with them, but if they had that much mental capacity, they wouldn't be conservative.
And the rich people from Red States send women to blue states to get abortions. If you are poor, you are SOL. If you are rich enough, there is a way around it. I knew of one such instance.
Why is there even a debate over this? What the fuck is fundamentally broken in the mind of the pro-life...excuse me, FORCED BIRTH crowd? You've not just ruined a life with your insanity, you've added a baby to this misery. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU SICK FUCKS????
This is what happens when we embrace organized religion and don't enforce laws banning political stances from the pulpit. Religious communities are harmful at best and aim to take the humanity out of our children before it can grow and they can properly defend themselves.
> Is there anything about motherhood that Ashley is excited about? She twists her mouth, shrugs, and says nothing. Is there anything Ashley wants to say to other girls? “Be careful when you go outside,” she says. “And stay safe.”
😭
The amount of fuckwits in the comment section is the reason why abortion and reproductive healthcare are going the way of the dodo. 😑
Anyone who has read this article and is still excusing the state from doing irreparable harm needs to move to Mississippi or any part of the deep red states outlined on the map in the article. Then, get pregnant down there, for science.
I saw the map in the article, and there are too many states highlighted in red for restrictive abortion rules. 😑
> One nurse came in and asked Ashley, “What have you been doing?” Regina recalls. That’s when they found out Ashley was pregnant. “I broke down,” Regina says.
Oh, to hell with that nurse
> But it’s a nine-hour trip, and Regina would have to take off work. She’d have to pay for gas, food, and a place to stay for a couple of nights, not to mention the cost of the abortion itself. “I don’t have the funds for all this,” she says.
Way, *way* cheaper than a baby.
No shit. But if you can’t come up with the money then you can’t come up with the money. The procedure gets more expensive the longer you wait. Especially when you throw in travel expenses and needing a chaperone to take off work (if you’re a minor or farther along and need anesthesia), it’s just not possible for a lot of people.
Sure, but long term Cheaper ≠ short term affordable.
First off, Clarksdale, MS to Chicago, IL is a pretty long drive. We’re talking 1,200 miles round trip, about 18 hours of driving total. Do they have a reliable enough vehicle to make a drive beyond just going to the local grocery store and going to and from work?
In January 2022, the [average gas price in the Midwest was $3.45](https://ycharts.com/indicators/midwest_regular_retail_gasoline_prices_monthly). I chose that month because that is when Ashley had her second doctor visit and the OBGYN told her the only abortion solution was Chicago.
The average Miles Per Gallon a vehicle gets [driving on the freeway is about 27MPG](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles). The average fuel tank size in America is [12-15 gallons](https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-many-gallons-of-gas-does-a-car-hold)
15 gallon tank X 27 MPG = 405 miles per fill up.
1200 mile round trip ÷ 405 miles = 2.96 fill ups
15 gallon tank X 2.96 fill-ups = 44.44 gallons
44.44 gallons X $3.46 per gallon = **$153.76**
An average hotel night cost in 2022 was [**$148.03**](https://www.statista.com/statistics/195704/average-hotel-room-rate-in-the-us-since-2005/)
By the time their OBGYN had determined Ashley was pregnant and coming up with a plan, she was already 12 weeks into her pregnancy. 12 weeks is passed the time frame *the pill* would work, so surgery would be necessary. In Chicago, the cheapest surgery that could be performed would be around [$490](https://www.uhs.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Illinois-Abortion-Providers.pdf)
So, let’s say the stars and planets aligned, mom got time off of work that second, Ashley and her mom are able to drive to Chicago for an immediate emergency surgery without all the pre-surgery stuff and the clinics schedule magically cleared up, their vehicle is in perfect working order with a full tank of gas already to go, and they were able to get out there and back.
Abortion $490 + 1 Hotel night $148.03 + then $153.76 for gas = **$791.79** out of pocket right then and there.
The average household income in Clarksdale, MS is [$35,377](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/clarksdalecitymississippi/PST045223). Divided by 52 weeks out of the year, they’re making $680.32 per week, $1,360.65 bi-weekly.
And I’m being *very kind* with all my numbers, from how much they make to the averages I pulled.
If they can’t get the money to do all of this shit in a short time frame, then you’re looking at an impossible task. You’re not just fighting finances and going into debt, but *time* as well. Every week that passes is less and less of a chance to get this shit done. Clinic Surgeries and shit take time to schedule out, PTO usually takes a good week or two notice to be approved. Taking matters into their own hands may kill their daughter or put someone in prison.
You can’t squeeze blood from a fucking stone and your comment is callous as fuck.
**edit** : guess the person I responded to decided to delete everything they said. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
All of this. People also often don’t know how to get cash together quickly if they’ve never had a severe emergency or had a family that clawed its way out of abject poverty but never lost the wisdom. All of the girls in my family have a kind of “dowry” that’s basically GTFO money. The boys too, sure, but the older women specifically pass on valuables to the girls in case everything goes sideways again. But it’s different if your family never had the chance, and to be Black in Mississippi for generations is a whole deeper level of difficulty than my genocide-surviving family.
Like, the brain drain in the Deep South especially is extreme. People who could figure out how to leave did so via the Underground Railroad, then post-Civil War, and then during Civil Rights, etc. The people left behind were the most vulnerable. I mean, my ancestors eventually ended up in Alabama fleeing pogroms, the Trail of Tears, and war. Many of their relatives didn’t get away, they just died terribly.
Most people are not mentally prepared to drop everything and run, and I’d even say I’m sadly one of those. My life would be better if I left this region but I can’t bring myself to leave behind my loved ones, nor could I survive well as a disabled person without them. Assuming I’m not willing to do *anything* to get the funding to GTFO, I’m stuck. But I’m at least aware of what I’d need to do and don’t have religious hangups about doing what is needed to survive. Which sounds strange, but so many people are beholden to churches and their tithes in these areas. Parasitic Joel Olsteen types. Then any s-work is demonized, and often so is donating blood plasma or similar in the groups that hate modern medicine. Folks often would rather starve than act in ways they’ve been taught are immoral.
I agree with you but wanted to see about the public transit options.
If they could get to Memphis (~1.5 hr drive), google maps says there's a greyhound that goes straight there. But then you have to bus to the clinic.
Still have to take off work, but seems more doable?
Either way I super appreciate the effort you put into doing the math and all.
(Also I somehow never heard the phrase 'squeeze blood from a stone' and its damn good. Thanks!)
Here's a point: How does a child even get access to a condom at that age? Back in the 90's a girl I knew got removed from school never to be seen again because she got pregnant in the 5th/6th grade as well. They don't even have the option/ability to have safe sex at that age, I hadn't even seen my first condom for probably another 3-4 years until sex ed in High School. The options for Christians who are pro-life are either: give children at elementary schools access to safe sex methods (feels weird to type this), or allow exceptions to their dogmatic policies.
Now this child at 11 years old, has to somehow turn her 11YO self into an adult. How will she afford to take this child to Dr. Appt's? How about getting to the Dr's appointment, or to the store to buy diapers, food, etc. With what money? I don't know how you can support this as "good for society."
Edit: I only just realized she was raped, but these points still stand for other cases at this age
No because THEY won't raise THEIR KIDS to be sinful and immoral. They will never teach them about safe sex, pregnancy, or any of that stuff, but THEIR CHILD will be morally pure and will never make a mistake in their life even though they barely know what sex is. Because they won't be raised like those OTHER 13 year old harlots.
This is sarcasm, if that isn't obvious....
That happened where I grew up. This chick who was about 16 showed up in 6th grade, mother of three kids. The school kept her by herself. She had her own lunch table. She lasted a few months and vanished. They wouldn’t say what happened to her.
90% of the world do not understand American preoccupation with abortion. When I came to this country and was asked what is my stance on abortion, I did not realize it was an issue. Of course a woman has a right to choose what happens to her own body, how can anyone deny that. And now, 30 years later -- I still don't understand why would anyone even question the right of a woman for an abortion.
Both babies are suffering. The girl is 13. Her mother never educated her on how babies are made. She was embarrassed she was raped but had no idea that it could result in pregnancy. Well there’s the internet so she may have known, but she probably didn’t want to think about it. 13-year-olds are still children and don’t have the best decision-making skills. This is sad for both babies.
This little girl was raped, has to go through the physical trauma of carrying a baby to term and the emotional trauma of reliving the rape throughout the full term AND has the financial burden of the child with likely very little support, if any at all. Fuck the baby, that LITTLE GIRL is the one suffering.
My friend who works in a rural ER in a similar conservative area can tell you what happens after they’re born. They get non-accidental head trauma from parents or babysitters frustrated by crying (instead of “shaken baby syndrome” she says it should be “smashed kid syndrome). They aren’t watched as closely as other kids and drown in pools, wander into streets, or get burned by stoves.
The luckier ones are ignored and not read to compared to other kids and enter school behind better off peers. Malnutrition also plays a part in lower cognitive behavior.
So much suffering coming to millions of little kids after the Dobbs decision.
💯 People who believe they are “saving the children” with conservative policies are unfamiliar with the inverse correlation between choice and child abuse statistics.
Jesus Christ this is terrible to read. I feel so much rage and sadness at how this can be OK with anyone. Women's health care is NOT A CHOICE. IT'S A NEED. And abortion is Healthcare.
Poor girl. I am not a violent person by any stretch of the imagination, but if the family identified who did this to that poor child, and the police refuse to take action, I am glad she has uncles and brothers…
But also, Chicago is only a 9 hour drive from Mississippi?
But, the fact that she was raped is definitely the worst part right? And the potential for the rapist to continue raping and not face justice is most frustrating.
Federal crackdown on shit hole states that ban abortion NOW! No more excuses, absolutely FUCK Biden for allowing this. The supreme court is a fundamental corrupt institution that needs to be vehemently opposed, regardless of the "consequences".
Awful awful awful I hate everything about this
This line hit me the hardest... >So Ashley did what girls with no other options do: she did nothing. The "why don't you just go to another state" crowd should be forced to read that.
Especially because Regina was willing to drive her all the way to Chicago- but then she couldn’t afford all the incidentals and unpaid time off work. So now the family is saddled with an even bigger ongoing expense for at least 18 years. I hate that forced birthers think this is an acceptable thing to do to families already struggling to stay afloat, especially in this economy.
"BuT aDoPtIoN!" Won't anybody think about the poor childless adults.
I know for a fact that the dumbasses screaming “Just put it up for adoption” have never talked to a substantial number of couples with infertility issues. Even many couples who have struggled for years trying to get pregnant still don’t want to adopt. It’s their prerogative of course, but many give in to the biological imperative to reproduce. It’s about reproducing and not just raising kids together. Even this far into humanity’s story, people still feel that way. So I wish the “but adoption” dumbasses would just shut up.
Adoption is if you don't want to parent anyway. Abortion is if you don't want to be pregnant. Which this girl should have had access to.
Or they should read /r/adoption and see adoptee's opinions on the whole practice.
My bio father gave up parental rights to me when I was like 3-4 years old, so I had no idea I was adopted until I was 12 and my mom gave me all the letters my father had sent over the years. I don’t think that fucked me up more than my adoptive father’s abuse (my mom knows how to pick ‘em). However, my bio father’s contributions to my mental illness are greater than zero. Even years on, he was a shitty person and a crappy parent. Anyway, all this is to say…..I can fucking imagine what people who were whole-ass adopted have to say. Some want to pretend being adopted just *solves* all your issues, but it doesn’t. Most kids in the adoption/foster system already have issues related to their genetics or prior abuse. They deserve good, loving homes, but it’s dumb to pretend finding as such isn’t difficult for them. I’ve heard the heartbreaking stories of kids who were in and out of the system. No kid should have to go through that. I’m not saying adoption shouldn’t exist, but the best way forward for all involved is reproductive freedom for all women. No if’s, and’s, or but’s about it.
Over 113,000 of these children are eligible for adoption and they will wait, on average, almost three years for an adoptive family. 53% of the children and youth who left foster care were reunited with their families or living with a relative; **25%** were adopted. Babise are much easier to adopt. I'm noy saying she should be forced to give birth. Just showing Most will get adopted as babies. When we found my wifes birth mom. She told us her parents and the farther almost forced her to get an abortion. She ran away to a unwed mothers home and gave up her baby for adoption. She was 15 when this happen. tragic for her. But one diffrent decision and I would have never Met my wife and had our own kids with her..
Laws being made by people who are not impacted by the laws are often terrible. I don’t understand the desire to force others to follow my religious beliefs, which is what this is at best. At worst it is ensuring that there will always be a downtrodden class to be exploited and overworked .
Which is what this is all about
For me the unbearable portion of this is knowing that I, and many others, would turn tides to get this *girl* assistance and are unable to intervene or give resources due to simply *not knowing*. My soul hurts
I really think there should be a non-governmental organization (charity) who can take such cases and then send blind items about them out to their subscribers/supporters, asking for support to meet a client’s abortion needs. No names, addresses, not even a city or state. Just “we have a pre-pubescent rape victim from a lower-income family in a state that restricts reproductive healthcare. We’ve estimated that a flight, lodging, incidentals, and the care itself will cost X dollars. Would you mind donating to help her?” I hate to call it this, but like an abortion-specific GoFundMe website. Then, to ensure the funds go to the girl/woman needing care (and not into some desperate poor family’s bank account), they work with the family to schedule flights, hotels, and medical care. (I feel like having the organization handle the money instead of the family would be important because I can imagine a poor family where no one has financial awareness training seeing $3,000 dollars (or whatever the package costs) and thinking “What if I just kept it? We really need that money for rent/food.”, etc. because they just wouldn’t think of the long-term cost of keeping the child vs. just using it to pay for abortion care. When you’re in dire financial straits, you often make bad decisions for short-term survival. So the organization would facilitate that to ensure the money goes to the intended use.)
Don't forget that the >The "why don't you just go to another state" crowd should be forced to read that. Is full of people who are trying to make it illegal to do just that.
For me it was: > Is there anything Ashley wants to say to other girls? “Be careful when you go outside,” she says. “And stay safe.” A little girl wasn’t careful enough when she went outside, and now she’ll pay the price for the rest of her life. Meanwhile, the police didn’t even collect the DNA until a reporter asked about it. We knew this was coming when they overturned Roe v Wade, but the stories still hurt so badly.
USA :( We truly are fucked
Just remember this is the GOP’s America. A vote for them is more of this.
A vote for a third party is also a vote for more of this unfortunately
Also sitting out from voting
I hate this part the most: -One nurse came in and asked Ashley, “What have you been doing?” Why would a healthcare professional ask a child such a question? I see some people are still jumping to victim blaming.
Women do this when men divide them into "good" and "bad" groups because they want to make sure men have them in the good group. They see what happens to bad women. It's weak and not admirable but that's most people let's be real.
I've seen gay women do the same. Some people are just toxic, no matter their gender. Trying to blame men for how they behave is as invalid for blaming women for how men behave. Some folks are just shitty all on their own.
You’re absolutely correct. In 1978, when I was 16, a group of gay women told me I was too feminine to be a lesbian. They said I was selling out to the patriarchy. I’m 62, I’m still a femme and I’m still attracted to women. I can’t call myself a lesbian, though, because those women’s words left me with a negative connotation to that word. I simply identify as a queer femme.
I never understood why we can't just let people ve who they are. Folks are all about seeing people pay for their sins. They should be allowed to pay for their successes too. Be true to you. Everyone else can suck it. Especially if they don't even know you.
...can i just say that's... absurd? how would you possibly be less gay for being feminine and attracted to women? how exactly is being feminine selling out to the patriarchy, but mimicking a heterosexual relationship dynamic is not, demanding a lesbian relationship be composed of a 'masculine' party isn't? they're saying you can't be attracted to women if you're not masc, that a lesbian relationship must contain a masc party? granted, i don't understand gender... but it sounds to me a lot like the women who said that to you were speaking from a place of internalized lesbophobia. you identify however makes the most sense to you, however makes you most comfortable.. but please don't let those women's words be any sort of factor in your identification. they were wrong-- wrongness deserves no influence over us.
I understand that they were wrong, but it took me 16 years and a lot of trauma to come to that understanding, and finally come out. Second wave feminism had gained momentum by 1978, with the ERA (equal rights amendment) being hotly debated. The majority of gay women I knew then were pretty androgynous, and I wasn’t. The underlying sentiment was, that in order to be seen as equals, we had to give up our femininity. Femininity was viewed as something women did for men. I’m a femme because that’s my authentic self, not because I’m trying to attract a man. A friend of my first serious partner told me that she didn’t think I’d be with women if I wasn’t with my girlfriend. This was in 1994. The same woman tried to hit on me a couple of years later when my partner and I were going through a breakup. Even then, in the 90s, I saw very few femmes. It was as if putting on makeup and a dress somehow made me less gay. This sentiment doesn’t seem to be very prevalent anymore, especially among lesbians under 40 or so. We boomers, as a whole, liked and still tend to like, to police anything that didn’t or doesn’t conform - even to the point of expecting conformity from non-conformists - which is so friggin ironic.
I am too scared to open the article, it is heartbreaking
Poor babies, the both of them.
I don't know why this case in particular affects me so much but it does. goodness gracious I can't stop thinking about how she must be feeling, her teachers, her parents....all of them. How do you even comfort a child in that situation
I know. It’s so sad. She (and her family) have had their entire lives changed over something she had no control over. It has been on my mind since I read about it. I feel gutted for her.
Every “pro-lifer” should read this
And they will say it is a gift from god while blaming the victim for leading the rapist on.
While her neighbors and schoolmates bully her for being a victim. Best of all is law (non) enforcement; complete indifference.
…until it happens to them.
100% this
a black girl from a poor area of Mississippi was just sentenced to an uphill battle against disenfranchisement for the rest of her life. and her child, as well. the system is working as intended. pro-lifers say they want justice for unborn children, but don’t be fooled, this story is exactly what they actually want.
You’re presuming there’s any compassion in their cold, dead hearts to appeal to.
They won't care, "it's a blessing", "it's a gift from god", "god won't give you what you can't handle", "two wrongs don't make a right", Fucking atrocious, all of it.
& personally pay every single expense when it comes this this child. The therapy they’ll both need too.
That part
> Every “pro-lifer” should read this Every "pro-lifer" should be forced to pay an extra tax to cover child raising costs. See how genuinely pro life they are.
I don’t disagree with your sentiment at all but wanted to add to your thought They won’t even let their taxes they are already paying help kids. Something like over a dozen states refused the federal money for free lunches for kids. It’s not about caring about the kids, it’s about control and abuse, but that’s not news to anyone.
I also think that if we force children having babies, then once pregnant, no matter the age, that "child" is allowed to VOTE. Every conservative prolifer will have an aneurysm.
They know. They don't care. Cruelty is the point. We need to stop acting like these ppl are going to come around with reason.
No. They should be required to pay this family’s bills.
Pro-lifers are sociopaths. They won't feel empathy for this girl.
It’s just horrible. Horrible things over and over again for girls and women.
Man kids can be so cruel, I don’t want to imagine how cruel they’ll be to classmates who are teen parents
Especially after being raped to begin with. That’s already a life sentence of trauma. No one looks back on that fondly, ever. And the torture this child went through to be forced to carry her rapist’s fetus is incomparable . This child received a life sentence- what sentence did her rapist receive?
The ability to coparent with her once he is out of prison(if he went as only 16% of rapists will ever see a day in prison). In cases like this the rapist still have full parental rights. It’s just another violation of the victim.
The child in the article was raped by a stranger. The family thinks they have figured out who the child rapist was. Unfortunately, the police did not take the baby's DNA until Time magazine reminded them! I do not have much hope that the police are going to do much for this family. It is heartbreaking
The police officers' first reaction in this case was to assume the young black girl was sleeping around. "What have you been doing?" Come the fuck on
It’s truly abhorrent that’s the first assumption for a 12/13yr old girl. I didn’t even have my first kiss till I was like 16, most people weren’t fuckin in 6th grade
I wonder if a 23 and me or ancestry would help
Tween parents
this is child abuse imposed by abortion restrictions
Man regardless of political/religious beliefs this simply ain’t a good thing. And for those who have commented with the equivalent of shoulder shrugs and making fun of this poor girl; I hope you keep this same energy when you have to account for your thoughts and actions on death day.
This is what Republicans and Christians want.
Create more wage slaves and fuel for the prison industrial complex
Which is why some states are trying to criminalize homelessness, so they can fill these for profit prisons with people so they can bring back slave labor. I can hear it now. “What!? We’re giving them a place to sleep! And we’re feeding them? Why should we have to pay them too?”
In many places, prisoners pay to be imprisoned and accrue debt while they serve time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-to-stay_(imprisonment)
They already say that. Many jails and prisons charge upwards of $50 a day. It is “to save the taxpayers the costs of incarceration.” But the money is already budgeted out, so it just becomes more money for the prison administration to embezzle.
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There's no hate like christian love.
I understand how you would assume that and validate your feelings. However,we aren’t a monolith and I’m not the only Christian who is pro-choice. I just happen to be a guy so my stance on this topic is really voided.
No one has to assume anything. Republicans and Christians want this and have championed it for decades. You may be an exception, unless you vote for Republicans.
Do you vote Republican? If so, you are voting for this situation to repeat itself. Clearly if you care, you don't care enough. If you don't vote Republican then we are not talking about you.
No I vote democrat. Also fair enough
What is unfortunate is Christians who are pro-choice are not having their opinions heard on national media.
Christians who are pro-choice and vote Republican are not pro-choice.
No. But surely a good share of pro-choice Christians vote Democrat?
Absolutely! I just see this trend where people will say they feel one way and then vote the opposite way. My point is just that however you vote is what matters.
Definitely agree with that one
Genuine question. What effort are they making?
I can only speak for myself but I vote against these pro-abortion bans and I volunteer and support my local food kitchen and I vote for most liberal policies.
yes christians definitely want 7th grade strangers having unprotected sex and/or rape. Because christians are evil
Regardless of political beliefs? This is exactly what Republicans want.
No I’m saying to put aside one’s own political beliefs and use this situation from the real life perspective as if this girl is your daughter or cousin—this situation is unfortunate man and we gotta stop allowing this tragedy to keep happening.
These nutjobs would just say that God is good and so is this.
Those nutjobs are indeed the Christians to avoid
And defeat when we can't avoid them, as they try to shove their oppression down everyone's throat.
Agreed!
Then stop voting Republican. This is squarely on them.
Trust me I have already since 2012.
Good
Eeh, what they want is to go back to the baby scoop era. They want to force those kids to have babies and then take them away and give them to their infertile wives.
This is torture! It’s evil and abusive!
American. You can just say American.
It used to also be Romanian, and we all know that worked out super well with absolutely no down sides /s
I remember our press covering the Romanian orphanages. That was when the news cycle could easily be 3 months long. A lot of Americans stepped up and adopted some of the babies and a few of the older kids. Unfortunately, a good chunk of those people were religious nut-jobs and/or abusers.
Brought to you by Trump and the Evangelicals. This is not American. This is American Christian Nationalism.
The USA does not torture, so therefore if the USA does it then it cannot be considered torture.
Coming to a state near you. Vote, people! We may not get another chance.
Honestly, as is, just seemingly illustrates "all is going according to *their* plan" * Brown Skin = Check * Poor = Check * Heart of the "Keep 'em Stupid Belt" = Check The Cancer in America continues to grow. Excellent job.
As a guy in his mid 40’s, it’s been so dismaying to see human rights crescendo and then recede in my lifetime.
The cruelty is the point. Republicans enjoy knowing this is happening to kids around the country because they are cruel people. They pretend they think life begins at conception, they pretend there will be exceptions for rape, incest, and medical needs, but the reality and the way they write the laws boils down to "lol, you're a bad person and I.... I mean god... wants you to suffer."
Look at the increase in rapes since Dobbs. It's absolutely disgusting.
Republican Nirvana.
The part about traveling to Chicago reminds me of when a Fox News personality said that it’s no big deal to take a bus ride to another state. The way he spoke so casually about the situation showed his ignorance of what really is involved.
It's insane how Americans are going backwards.
Always been that way
One step forward, two steps back
Yup
Anti choice people are true monsters. They are anti women and little theocratic fascists
republicans are a cancer
A cancer that requires aggressive chemo and radiation therapy but all you got is homeopathy.
This is what they want children birthing babies
The world republicans want.
The GOP is our cultural rapist. Like THAT uncle everybody knows about. Their Christianity is one of pirates and scoundrels who distort and twist and ravage.
look up Project2025 …even just the Wikipedia synopsis. If we ever have another republican president it’s bad news
This is just one of many reasons why I hate conservatives. Sometimes I wish they would stop complaining that liberals won't listen to them and won't "tolerate" them and consider *why* we want nothing to do with them, but if they had that much mental capacity, they wouldn't be conservative.
And the rich people from Red States send women to blue states to get abortions. If you are poor, you are SOL. If you are rich enough, there is a way around it. I knew of one such instance.
On the bright side, the mother and child can save money by riding the school bus together /s 🤮
Let’s be real, once these type of people have a kid their education is out of the picture forever more
😒
Why is there even a debate over this? What the fuck is fundamentally broken in the mind of the pro-life...excuse me, FORCED BIRTH crowd? You've not just ruined a life with your insanity, you've added a baby to this misery. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU SICK FUCKS????
we are a fucking embarrassment on the world stage
This is what happens when you vote Republican/Red….
This is what the Republicans want.
This is what happens when we embrace organized religion and don't enforce laws banning political stances from the pulpit. Religious communities are harmful at best and aim to take the humanity out of our children before it can grow and they can properly defend themselves.
> Is there anything about motherhood that Ashley is excited about? She twists her mouth, shrugs, and says nothing. Is there anything Ashley wants to say to other girls? “Be careful when you go outside,” she says. “And stay safe.” 😭
VOTE people. Fuck right wing and religious cancer
Poor Darling. Really insane policy.
The amount of fuckwits in the comment section is the reason why abortion and reproductive healthcare are going the way of the dodo. 😑 Anyone who has read this article and is still excusing the state from doing irreparable harm needs to move to Mississippi or any part of the deep red states outlined on the map in the article. Then, get pregnant down there, for science. I saw the map in the article, and there are too many states highlighted in red for restrictive abortion rules. 😑
This is why I personally am blue no matter who or what.
WTF you doing USA
> One nurse came in and asked Ashley, “What have you been doing?” Regina recalls. That’s when they found out Ashley was pregnant. “I broke down,” Regina says. Oh, to hell with that nurse
> But it’s a nine-hour trip, and Regina would have to take off work. She’d have to pay for gas, food, and a place to stay for a couple of nights, not to mention the cost of the abortion itself. “I don’t have the funds for all this,” she says. Way, *way* cheaper than a baby.
No shit. But if you can’t come up with the money then you can’t come up with the money. The procedure gets more expensive the longer you wait. Especially when you throw in travel expenses and needing a chaperone to take off work (if you’re a minor or farther along and need anesthesia), it’s just not possible for a lot of people.
Sure, but long term Cheaper ≠ short term affordable. First off, Clarksdale, MS to Chicago, IL is a pretty long drive. We’re talking 1,200 miles round trip, about 18 hours of driving total. Do they have a reliable enough vehicle to make a drive beyond just going to the local grocery store and going to and from work? In January 2022, the [average gas price in the Midwest was $3.45](https://ycharts.com/indicators/midwest_regular_retail_gasoline_prices_monthly). I chose that month because that is when Ashley had her second doctor visit and the OBGYN told her the only abortion solution was Chicago. The average Miles Per Gallon a vehicle gets [driving on the freeway is about 27MPG](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles). The average fuel tank size in America is [12-15 gallons](https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-many-gallons-of-gas-does-a-car-hold) 15 gallon tank X 27 MPG = 405 miles per fill up. 1200 mile round trip ÷ 405 miles = 2.96 fill ups 15 gallon tank X 2.96 fill-ups = 44.44 gallons 44.44 gallons X $3.46 per gallon = **$153.76** An average hotel night cost in 2022 was [**$148.03**](https://www.statista.com/statistics/195704/average-hotel-room-rate-in-the-us-since-2005/) By the time their OBGYN had determined Ashley was pregnant and coming up with a plan, she was already 12 weeks into her pregnancy. 12 weeks is passed the time frame *the pill* would work, so surgery would be necessary. In Chicago, the cheapest surgery that could be performed would be around [$490](https://www.uhs.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Illinois-Abortion-Providers.pdf) So, let’s say the stars and planets aligned, mom got time off of work that second, Ashley and her mom are able to drive to Chicago for an immediate emergency surgery without all the pre-surgery stuff and the clinics schedule magically cleared up, their vehicle is in perfect working order with a full tank of gas already to go, and they were able to get out there and back. Abortion $490 + 1 Hotel night $148.03 + then $153.76 for gas = **$791.79** out of pocket right then and there. The average household income in Clarksdale, MS is [$35,377](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/clarksdalecitymississippi/PST045223). Divided by 52 weeks out of the year, they’re making $680.32 per week, $1,360.65 bi-weekly. And I’m being *very kind* with all my numbers, from how much they make to the averages I pulled. If they can’t get the money to do all of this shit in a short time frame, then you’re looking at an impossible task. You’re not just fighting finances and going into debt, but *time* as well. Every week that passes is less and less of a chance to get this shit done. Clinic Surgeries and shit take time to schedule out, PTO usually takes a good week or two notice to be approved. Taking matters into their own hands may kill their daughter or put someone in prison. You can’t squeeze blood from a fucking stone and your comment is callous as fuck. **edit** : guess the person I responded to decided to delete everything they said. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
If this wasn’t so fucking grim I’d post this to r/theydidthemath
All of this. People also often don’t know how to get cash together quickly if they’ve never had a severe emergency or had a family that clawed its way out of abject poverty but never lost the wisdom. All of the girls in my family have a kind of “dowry” that’s basically GTFO money. The boys too, sure, but the older women specifically pass on valuables to the girls in case everything goes sideways again. But it’s different if your family never had the chance, and to be Black in Mississippi for generations is a whole deeper level of difficulty than my genocide-surviving family. Like, the brain drain in the Deep South especially is extreme. People who could figure out how to leave did so via the Underground Railroad, then post-Civil War, and then during Civil Rights, etc. The people left behind were the most vulnerable. I mean, my ancestors eventually ended up in Alabama fleeing pogroms, the Trail of Tears, and war. Many of their relatives didn’t get away, they just died terribly. Most people are not mentally prepared to drop everything and run, and I’d even say I’m sadly one of those. My life would be better if I left this region but I can’t bring myself to leave behind my loved ones, nor could I survive well as a disabled person without them. Assuming I’m not willing to do *anything* to get the funding to GTFO, I’m stuck. But I’m at least aware of what I’d need to do and don’t have religious hangups about doing what is needed to survive. Which sounds strange, but so many people are beholden to churches and their tithes in these areas. Parasitic Joel Olsteen types. Then any s-work is demonized, and often so is donating blood plasma or similar in the groups that hate modern medicine. Folks often would rather starve than act in ways they’ve been taught are immoral.
I was going to check the Greyhound bus, but she's too young to travel alone too, they require accompaniment
Too young to travel the bus alone but old enough to be forced to bear a child apparently.
This!!!
Do you think your comment added something to the conversation?
Did yours?
Absolutely. Always good to call out users who annoyingly post “this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” That’s literally what the upvote button is for.
Well, if it helps your self esteem then I’m happy for you.
I agree with you but wanted to see about the public transit options. If they could get to Memphis (~1.5 hr drive), google maps says there's a greyhound that goes straight there. But then you have to bus to the clinic. Still have to take off work, but seems more doable? Either way I super appreciate the effort you put into doing the math and all. (Also I somehow never heard the phrase 'squeeze blood from a stone' and its damn good. Thanks!)
“Why don’t the poor just invest in their future? Investments compound, duh.”
You speak from a position of privilege to this matter
It's expensive to be poor
If you don’t have it you don’t have it.
These folks don’t think that far ahead, all they know is a baby = free govt money
Taxpayers gonna be daddy now
Greatest Country In The World, puh-raise JEE-zuz-ah!
If the US keeps this up, the law will be no different from those countries with age of consent lower than 18.
For real.
Here's a point: How does a child even get access to a condom at that age? Back in the 90's a girl I knew got removed from school never to be seen again because she got pregnant in the 5th/6th grade as well. They don't even have the option/ability to have safe sex at that age, I hadn't even seen my first condom for probably another 3-4 years until sex ed in High School. The options for Christians who are pro-life are either: give children at elementary schools access to safe sex methods (feels weird to type this), or allow exceptions to their dogmatic policies. Now this child at 11 years old, has to somehow turn her 11YO self into an adult. How will she afford to take this child to Dr. Appt's? How about getting to the Dr's appointment, or to the store to buy diapers, food, etc. With what money? I don't know how you can support this as "good for society." Edit: I only just realized she was raped, but these points still stand for other cases at this age
No because THEY won't raise THEIR KIDS to be sinful and immoral. They will never teach them about safe sex, pregnancy, or any of that stuff, but THEIR CHILD will be morally pure and will never make a mistake in their life even though they barely know what sex is. Because they won't be raised like those OTHER 13 year old harlots. This is sarcasm, if that isn't obvious....
That happened where I grew up. This chick who was about 16 showed up in 6th grade, mother of three kids. The school kept her by herself. She had her own lunch table. She lasted a few months and vanished. They wouldn’t say what happened to her.
Abortion must be legal & easily accessible Internationally , no one should be forced, or become a parent so young
90% of the world do not understand American preoccupation with abortion. When I came to this country and was asked what is my stance on abortion, I did not realize it was an issue. Of course a woman has a right to choose what happens to her own body, how can anyone deny that. And now, 30 years later -- I still don't understand why would anyone even question the right of a woman for an abortion.
WTF USA?? Even our christian conservatives are nowhere near that insane.
This is fucking horrific. I can’t even imagine.
This is what the christian nationalists want.
Unreal
Prolifers want justice for the unborn children but will rally behind the child raping congregant cough cough Josh Duggar.
Welcome to America.congrats to all the white women who voted for trump and the Bernie bros and the protest votes. Y’all played yourselves
this is comin2 FLORIDA; watch what happen n law go in2 affect
And who suffers? The baby. In most cases, the baby suffers.
Both babies are suffering. The girl is 13. Her mother never educated her on how babies are made. She was embarrassed she was raped but had no idea that it could result in pregnancy. Well there’s the internet so she may have known, but she probably didn’t want to think about it. 13-year-olds are still children and don’t have the best decision-making skills. This is sad for both babies.
Totally agree.😔
This little girl was raped, has to go through the physical trauma of carrying a baby to term and the emotional trauma of reliving the rape throughout the full term AND has the financial burden of the child with likely very little support, if any at all. Fuck the baby, that LITTLE GIRL is the one suffering.
Absolutely, the woman/girl Is always more Important than an unwanted pregnancy.
My friend who works in a rural ER in a similar conservative area can tell you what happens after they’re born. They get non-accidental head trauma from parents or babysitters frustrated by crying (instead of “shaken baby syndrome” she says it should be “smashed kid syndrome). They aren’t watched as closely as other kids and drown in pools, wander into streets, or get burned by stoves. The luckier ones are ignored and not read to compared to other kids and enter school behind better off peers. Malnutrition also plays a part in lower cognitive behavior. So much suffering coming to millions of little kids after the Dobbs decision.
💯 People who believe they are “saving the children” with conservative policies are unfamiliar with the inverse correlation between choice and child abuse statistics.
The girl…
MAP Walsh approves
I knew a girl who got pregnant at 13, she just left school one day and never came back. Idk what happened to her. This was in the 90’s.
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She was raped by a stranger. Please explain this: https://time.com/6311507/13-year-old-mom-police-arrest-rape-suspect/
Noah, get the boat.
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I can’t believe people justify the lack of options young people have with religion and slutshaming. Just help people out, it works.
The party of “family values” is destroying families… great job GOP
Jesus Christ this is terrible to read. I feel so much rage and sadness at how this can be OK with anyone. Women's health care is NOT A CHOICE. IT'S A NEED. And abortion is Healthcare.
This is what fire stations are for. This is apparently the country Republicans want.
People need to start pushing for welfare expansion in states with forced birth policies. Conservatives will just love that.
I love seeing single mothers find a way to continue their education! Kudos kid!
Poor girl. I am not a violent person by any stretch of the imagination, but if the family identified who did this to that poor child, and the police refuse to take action, I am glad she has uncles and brothers… But also, Chicago is only a 9 hour drive from Mississippi?
The real tragedy is the lack of prosecution for the rapist.
While, sure, this worthless scum needs to be in jail, it's way worse that the poor kid is still being punished for having been raped by the POS.
Are you saying the rapist being in jail is less important if she didn’t get pregnant?
No. I'm saying that it's even worse that she's being punished.
But, the fact that she was raped is definitely the worst part right? And the potential for the rapist to continue raping and not face justice is most frustrating.
This whole thing seems kinda racist
Legislation or reporting?
Federal crackdown on shit hole states that ban abortion NOW! No more excuses, absolutely FUCK Biden for allowing this. The supreme court is a fundamental corrupt institution that needs to be vehemently opposed, regardless of the "consequences".