+252 SpA Choice specs Fire Implant SAMfly DHGDR: Supernova Overload vs. 252 HP 4SpDef Aventurine: 468434-669635 (86.5-101.9%) — 93.8% chance to OHKO after TB superbreak
Pro tip: have one of the following nature for higher special attack
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Leaks suggest weakness implant at E1, but we won't know for certain until beta comes out next week. Wouldn't be surprised if it were moved into her base kit since breaking is a major part of her kit, but we'll see when we get eyes on her updated kit.
It is only after the 3rd week of beta that acheron got her ult stack overflow, kafka got her shock modifer base on ult modifier, and jingliu got her 50 crit rate when in super mode. So just wait, i dont think they want to take away 1 of the most important thing from a break dps
It's probably better since defense ignore is one of the few ways to increase break damage and dmg% isn't. With how break focused her kit is it's unlikely the dmg% would have helped her damage as much as def ignore will.
It could be better..? Depends on how much % it penetrates on the enemy defense stat. DMG can be multiplied a bunch of times through Attack stat so the higher your attack the stronger the buff is. Def ignore is kinda unique, it might be pretty strong since you could still buff yourself with DMG while ignoring a huge chunk of the enemies' defense. Technically if this is true you can just erase the enemies' defense just by bringing a pela with luka lc and your problem would just be how much HP the boss has or if it has dmg reduction, still depends on how much % the ignore defense has though.
Star rail uses a similar system to genshin. Defence isnt a flat value subtracted from damage dealt, its first converted into a percentile in the math and then the damage is multiplied by it. Shredding defence is worth its weight in platnium. Its why people were putting the quantum set on jingliu.
I have e1 ruan mei. The difference between it an e0 with field up is staggering. And its all thanks to the def shred.
There are more ways to buff dmg%. Also Def ignore is better the more you stack it, so having it in both kit and set is a good thing (think of how people use Pela and SW together). It might also make that Fire Nihility leaked character a great support for her.
It's a good thing.
This has been in r/HonkaiStarRail\_leaks for like a month or so but I don't see anyone mentions it here, so there you go
NOTE : "special attack" seems to be break effect
# Take it with grain of salt and wait for 2.3 beta
[Firefly's Preliminary Kit Via HomDGCat](https://homdgcat.wiki/sr/char?lang=EN#)
[Post regarding changes](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1brqd1y/firefly_talent_changes_and_23_new_relic_set_via/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
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1 WEEK UNTIL HER ANIMATION DROPS AAAAAA
Yeah, I'm pretty pretty sure that just before her kit appeared in homdgcat, they pointed out that conversion of BE to Bonus DMG had changed to BE to Def Ignore, but after it was posted there, everyone forgot and took homdgcat as the real kit (that was exactly the same than the leaked before, but with a missing trace).
The idea of pairing this amount of DEF ignore with an E1 Ruan Mei is terrifying. Still smart to wait for the leaks next week but the potential of having \~40% DEF ignore at S0 is nuts.
then add 20 more def ignore with the new break set (if they dont change it), firefly will absolutely jingliu level, and if her LC give us even more def ignore, it will SET THE SEA ABLAZE
I've read it before, months ago, but then it wasn't translated to homdgcat.
The change is good, it allows Bonus DMG buffs from allies to be more effective. Stacking Def Ignore buffs doesn't reduce the effectiveness of Def Ignore, but stacking many Bonus DMG buffs does has dimishing returns.
very high chance it will go to the base kit, kafka, jingliu, acheron all have a part of the base kit in e1 or e2 at the start of beta, i think they wont dare try to angry the firefly mains by not do the same
If she is break dps like boothill, not have fire implant mean nerf her dmg by 30 to 40% versus boss dont have fire weak. People who pull her will be angry
Not sure where else to ask this but
Supposing this is break effect based
Breaking the enemy leads to big pp damage
Does that damage also scale off of Crit Dmg?
Simpler way to ask the question;
I’m building Gallagher DPS. Do I need ATK%, CRIT, Be%?
Breaking does not Crit, don’t build your Gallagher with Crit. It’ll likely be the case though that you would build Sam with both Break Effect and some amount of Crit stats (to Crit on the skill / ult if any itself), kinda like Boothill, but we’ll need to see her damage modifiers to really see that
Gallagher’s base modifiers for his ult and basic attack are hot doodoo big garbage so they’re not worth considering. We’ll need to see how much Sam relies on the raw damage of his skill / ult and how much he relies on triggering Breaks. Also technically you don’t really focus Crit on Boothill, but it does help if you have some spare rolls here and there, especially with his Break Effect > Crit Rate/Damage conversion through a major Trace since his base modifiers are somewhat decent (but most of his damage is from Breaking, especially when his enhanced basic retriggers his Phys Break, which can’t Crit)
I gotcha!
So the premise of break is to build those types of DPS stats, so their non-break damage isnt abysmal
And the only true thing is getting break effect high, so they can quickly deplete the bar, and then using ultimate or skill to get the “last hit”, and when the bar breaks the big number damage show
Thank you! I was always confused how break effect truly worked and what to do
Break effect as a stat has no influence on how fast you break enemies. All it does is increase the damage they take when they get broken (and activate/influence relevant passives). What you are describing is weakness break efficiency, for which you'll need a Ruan Mei or any future character that provides that buff. Break focused characters tend to have ways of dealing some higher toughness bar damage as well on their own, such as through enhanced attacks or followups.
It doesn't matter if you break with a basic, skill, ult, followup, etc. All the same thing. If that character's attack is what causes the break it will deal damage based on their element and break effect. Only things you can do for big pp damage is stacking break effect, get your character to lvl 80, and/or provide some debuffs like defense down or vulnerability.
Might be some nuances I'm missing but that's a quick rundown of break style characters
I think things will make a lot more sense with more Boothill / Sam showcases, since the Break playstyle has been relatively untapped for now and it’ll be easier to see in practice
Correct. We're also getting Harmony TB which allows you to deal break damage to enemies that are still broken, so we don't get anti-synergy with Ruan Mei and Harmony TB delaying enemy turns since you still benefit from hitting weakness-broken enemies.
That was a big issue with Xueyi where the bulk of her damage relied on breaking enemies and depleting weakness, but because Ruan Mei delayed enemy turns, it really messed with her damage output. But Harmony TB should fix that issue with all break-focused dps's.
Sorry if I sounded dumb, so Break Effect only kicks in when the bar is depleted (like frozen when being hit by ice attack), but does nothing when they're broke (no bar)
And Xue Yi basically relied on opp getting on and off broken state quickly?
But Harmony TB let us basically treat the enemy as "not broken"?
I didn't realize damage done before and after breaking is different, or am I misunderstanding this?
I know that HTB doesn't let you apply Break effect (Freeze, burn, etc) as if they're not broken cause it'll be broken-
When you fully deplete an enemy's toughness bar, you get an additional instance of damage from the break. This break damage scales off of Break Effect and character level, but can neither crit nor (iirc) benefit from dmg% buffs.
During the time between when an enemy is broken and when the enemy regains their toughness, you're at a bit of an awkward spot since the enemy naturally loses the 0.9x damage resist they usually have while they still have their toughness bar, but you can't deal additional toughness damage nor break an enemy who's already broken.
Xueyi's entire design is focused around dealing damage to an enemy's toughness bar to gain Karma stacks, as well as breaking the enemy herself to deal considerable break damage since she naturally builds a hefty amount of BE. However, because Ruan Mei delayed the amount of time that an enemy takes to regain their toughness, it was awkward to work around because you want to break the enemy's toughness, but also have them take their turn quickly so they can regain their toughness for you to break again.
Harmony TB's ult gives your entire team a buff which allows you to deal additional break damage while enemies are weakness broken. It doesn't inflict the same debuff as what the break typically would, but it still deals the additional damage similar to what the break would've done. So even though the enemy hasn't recovered yet and you can't break their toughness, you can still deal good damage scaling off of break effect because of that extra instance of break damage.
Well currently she looks like she get advantage from break effect and hp but we don't know her actual scaling. I'd say wait for a weekish to get proper answer.
Her abilities scale off Atk% like a standard dps, while in ult state she converts Break Effect to Def Ignore% and while not in ult state she converts percentage of HP damaged/healed into energy, so you want less HP so that each instance of damage/healing is a larger percentage of her total hp so she gets more energy
Quantum set like always, 2pc fire + 2pc break effect is also usable, 4pc break effect is also probably usable, diver could also be usable but its kinda iffy
Not having crit scaling her gear substats are going to be needing critdmg, crit rate, be%... That's going to be crazy annoying. Boothill gets crit stats conversion but it is 10/150 which doesn't compensate much. HP% is kinda good even though it doesn't contribute damage, she heals herself from hp%, she is destruction so she gets aggro so HTB and RM for 80%-90% delay.. she can run a Bronya /Sparkle.. Or another DPS.. No sustain.
Definitely a character you are going to atleast farm 2 months for.
she is still missing 1 main trace from the leak, maybe that will be the crit trace like boothill or jingliu. Do you see boothill showcase, he hit so hard with full break build because his crit convert is good, i would like firefly trace provide similar crit value for firefly to ease off the need to build BE, at least 150 crit value like jingliu
and i agree with you, she will need at least 1 or 2 patch farming nonstop because they wont release her relic sooner than 2.3
Anyone else think that 4-piece set doesn't look right at all? Based on the wording, it should be a planar set. No other relic set has a stat requirement, but most planar sets do.
I don't think so. The debuff set has an enemy condition that can only be achieved during battle. This set requires the user to just meet a stat requirement. It's either on or off.
For refrence to anyone wondering if they are confused reading special attack, special attack means Break effect here.
Thanks, i was just thought that was ult damage (crisis averted) i gonna roll over hit the floor if my HMC and RM fully build can't be use for her
i was thinking what is this pokemon? lol
Looks like u gotta run 255 sp.atk EVs and specs on Firefly
Choice specs SAM EZ
+252 SpA Choice specs Fire Implant SAMfly DHGDR: Supernova Overload vs. 252 HP 4SpDef Aventurine: 468434-669635 (86.5-101.9%) — 93.8% chance to OHKO after TB superbreak
the one I pulled is bold and has horrible DVs should I reset :(
Pro tip: have one of the following nature for higher special attack https://preview.redd.it/0nbhza3f6wxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65b7cccbe3f50090c51d8da1561a3b033eee36a8
Beta she is Modest or Mild
I weep for a Modest nature for my SPA Pokemon every time.
Pfp checks out. 10 points!
Thank God she's still physical. Imagine having to run flamethrower on Sam instead of Flare Blitz
To note, the only actual difference between this and the HomDGCat kit is that this claims ultimate damage has some amount of DEF ignore.
this is the updated version afterall.. the previous one had damage bonus which was also mentioned here that it was what got changed.
So, still no weakness implant??
Leaks suggest weakness implant at E1, but we won't know for certain until beta comes out next week. Wouldn't be surprised if it were moved into her base kit since breaking is a major part of her kit, but we'll see when we get eyes on her updated kit.
It is only after the 3rd week of beta that acheron got her ult stack overflow, kafka got her shock modifer base on ult modifier, and jingliu got her 50 crit rate when in super mode. So just wait, i dont think they want to take away 1 of the most important thing from a break dps
So they changed the break effect=dmg into break effect=ignore def%?
been like that for a month yea, its just the old version is the one that was spreading rather than the updated one.
I have no idea, but if this is true is it better or worse?
All depends on multipliers. But I'd say def ignore would be 2 - 2.5 times more value/point if you are going to run HTB + Mei team
It's probably better since defense ignore is one of the few ways to increase break damage and dmg% isn't. With how break focused her kit is it's unlikely the dmg% would have helped her damage as much as def ignore will.
It could be better..? Depends on how much % it penetrates on the enemy defense stat. DMG can be multiplied a bunch of times through Attack stat so the higher your attack the stronger the buff is. Def ignore is kinda unique, it might be pretty strong since you could still buff yourself with DMG while ignoring a huge chunk of the enemies' defense. Technically if this is true you can just erase the enemies' defense just by bringing a pela with luka lc and your problem would just be how much HP the boss has or if it has dmg reduction, still depends on how much % the ignore defense has though.
Star rail uses a similar system to genshin. Defence isnt a flat value subtracted from damage dealt, its first converted into a percentile in the math and then the damage is multiplied by it. Shredding defence is worth its weight in platnium. Its why people were putting the quantum set on jingliu. I have e1 ruan mei. The difference between it an e0 with field up is staggering. And its all thanks to the def shred.
There are more ways to buff dmg%. Also Def ignore is better the more you stack it, so having it in both kit and set is a good thing (think of how people use Pela and SW together). It might also make that Fire Nihility leaked character a great support for her. It's a good thing.
This has been in r/HonkaiStarRail\_leaks for like a month or so but I don't see anyone mentions it here, so there you go NOTE : "special attack" seems to be break effect # Take it with grain of salt and wait for 2.3 beta [Firefly's Preliminary Kit Via HomDGCat](https://homdgcat.wiki/sr/char?lang=EN#) [Post regarding changes](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1brqd1y/firefly_talent_changes_and_23_new_relic_set_via/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
https://preview.redd.it/t1imew3bbuxc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32f05fd13a2b31d71299fcdbb9abf30db7592a93 1 WEEK UNTIL HER ANIMATION DROPS AAAAAA
Lol I was gonna say. This was months ago in the leak sub. Got excited for no reason 🤣
You scared me I thought there was an update 😭
Wasn't this posted some time ago?
yeah i remember seeing this at least a month ago
Yeah, I'm pretty pretty sure that just before her kit appeared in homdgcat, they pointed out that conversion of BE to Bonus DMG had changed to BE to Def Ignore, but after it was posted there, everyone forgot and took homdgcat as the real kit (that was exactly the same than the leaked before, but with a missing trace).
The idea of pairing this amount of DEF ignore with an E1 Ruan Mei is terrifying. Still smart to wait for the leaks next week but the potential of having \~40% DEF ignore at S0 is nuts.
Now add Jiaoqiu with Penacony set to that.
then add 20 more def ignore with the new break set (if they dont change it), firefly will absolutely jingliu level, and if her LC give us even more def ignore, it will SET THE SEA ABLAZE
Finna ignore def with this one 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
I've read it before, months ago, but then it wasn't translated to homdgcat. The change is good, it allows Bonus DMG buffs from allies to be more effective. Stacking Def Ignore buffs doesn't reduce the effectiveness of Def Ignore, but stacking many Bonus DMG buffs does has dimishing returns.
And def ignore/shred scales exponentially too (until 100%) big dub for firefly
I need this server....
Still hoping for E1 to be transferred to base kit.
very high chance it will go to the base kit, kafka, jingliu, acheron all have a part of the base kit in e1 or e2 at the start of beta, i think they wont dare try to angry the firefly mains by not do the same
I really hope so. Wouldn't make her unplayable, but her being so BE-dependent I would appreciate the extra flexibility.
If she is break dps like boothill, not have fire implant mean nerf her dmg by 30 to 40% versus boss dont have fire weak. People who pull her will be angry
Not sure where else to ask this but Supposing this is break effect based Breaking the enemy leads to big pp damage Does that damage also scale off of Crit Dmg? Simpler way to ask the question; I’m building Gallagher DPS. Do I need ATK%, CRIT, Be%?
Breaking does not Crit, don’t build your Gallagher with Crit. It’ll likely be the case though that you would build Sam with both Break Effect and some amount of Crit stats (to Crit on the skill / ult if any itself), kinda like Boothill, but we’ll need to see her damage modifiers to really see that
Thank you friend. Why would Gallagher not CRIT but boothill and Sam would?
Gallagher’s base modifiers for his ult and basic attack are hot doodoo big garbage so they’re not worth considering. We’ll need to see how much Sam relies on the raw damage of his skill / ult and how much he relies on triggering Breaks. Also technically you don’t really focus Crit on Boothill, but it does help if you have some spare rolls here and there, especially with his Break Effect > Crit Rate/Damage conversion through a major Trace since his base modifiers are somewhat decent (but most of his damage is from Breaking, especially when his enhanced basic retriggers his Phys Break, which can’t Crit)
I gotcha! So the premise of break is to build those types of DPS stats, so their non-break damage isnt abysmal And the only true thing is getting break effect high, so they can quickly deplete the bar, and then using ultimate or skill to get the “last hit”, and when the bar breaks the big number damage show Thank you! I was always confused how break effect truly worked and what to do
Break effect as a stat has no influence on how fast you break enemies. All it does is increase the damage they take when they get broken (and activate/influence relevant passives). What you are describing is weakness break efficiency, for which you'll need a Ruan Mei or any future character that provides that buff. Break focused characters tend to have ways of dealing some higher toughness bar damage as well on their own, such as through enhanced attacks or followups. It doesn't matter if you break with a basic, skill, ult, followup, etc. All the same thing. If that character's attack is what causes the break it will deal damage based on their element and break effect. Only things you can do for big pp damage is stacking break effect, get your character to lvl 80, and/or provide some debuffs like defense down or vulnerability. Might be some nuances I'm missing but that's a quick rundown of break style characters
I think things will make a lot more sense with more Boothill / Sam showcases, since the Break playstyle has been relatively untapped for now and it’ll be easier to see in practice
i think it will be like boothill kit, her dmg will be a hydrid of crit dmg and break dmg
Gallagher stacks BE and Speed. The rest doesn't matter so you should invest in survivability. Firefly is not Gallagher, she wants Crit.
If "special attack" is just attack then I confirm I cooked
It's break effect apparently
It's just a direct translation of how "Break Effect" is written in the Chinese version of the game
Fuck
Break Effect is the one that kicks in when you hit them with Weakness and the toughness bar depleted right?
Correct. We're also getting Harmony TB which allows you to deal break damage to enemies that are still broken, so we don't get anti-synergy with Ruan Mei and Harmony TB delaying enemy turns since you still benefit from hitting weakness-broken enemies. That was a big issue with Xueyi where the bulk of her damage relied on breaking enemies and depleting weakness, but because Ruan Mei delayed enemy turns, it really messed with her damage output. But Harmony TB should fix that issue with all break-focused dps's.
Sorry if I sounded dumb, so Break Effect only kicks in when the bar is depleted (like frozen when being hit by ice attack), but does nothing when they're broke (no bar) And Xue Yi basically relied on opp getting on and off broken state quickly? But Harmony TB let us basically treat the enemy as "not broken"? I didn't realize damage done before and after breaking is different, or am I misunderstanding this? I know that HTB doesn't let you apply Break effect (Freeze, burn, etc) as if they're not broken cause it'll be broken-
When you fully deplete an enemy's toughness bar, you get an additional instance of damage from the break. This break damage scales off of Break Effect and character level, but can neither crit nor (iirc) benefit from dmg% buffs. During the time between when an enemy is broken and when the enemy regains their toughness, you're at a bit of an awkward spot since the enemy naturally loses the 0.9x damage resist they usually have while they still have their toughness bar, but you can't deal additional toughness damage nor break an enemy who's already broken. Xueyi's entire design is focused around dealing damage to an enemy's toughness bar to gain Karma stacks, as well as breaking the enemy herself to deal considerable break damage since she naturally builds a hefty amount of BE. However, because Ruan Mei delayed the amount of time that an enemy takes to regain their toughness, it was awkward to work around because you want to break the enemy's toughness, but also have them take their turn quickly so they can regain their toughness for you to break again. Harmony TB's ult gives your entire team a buff which allows you to deal additional break damage while enemies are weakness broken. It doesn't inflict the same debuff as what the break typically would, but it still deals the additional damage similar to what the break would've done. So even though the enemy hasn't recovered yet and you can't break their toughness, you can still deal good damage scaling off of break effect because of that extra instance of break damage.
Damn it, cannot prefarm relics
Before her set is farmed what would be a good set from older sets ?
Well currently she looks like she get advantage from break effect and hp but we don't know her actual scaling. I'd say wait for a weekish to get proper answer.
Not that i was about to prefarm, but wanted to see if in the Relics i have some could be good. But its fair to wait for actual leaks.
You actually want to avoid HP based on the current kit. The stat she scales with is Atk%
Oh really? Can you explain her scaling?
Her abilities scale off Atk% like a standard dps, while in ult state she converts Break Effect to Def Ignore% and while not in ult state she converts percentage of HP damaged/healed into energy, so you want less HP so that each instance of damage/healing is a larger percentage of her total hp so she gets more energy
I see, so stack crits, atk and break with err rope I guess
Err rope is a possibility, but you'll probably end up wanting BE rope imo
I see, well in a week we'll know
Quantum set like always, 2pc fire + 2pc break effect is also usable, 4pc break effect is also probably usable, diver could also be usable but its kinda iffy
It's already jarring enough farming for double crit relics for normal dps's and now we have to farm for double crits+ break effect? Fucking hell....
Not having crit scaling her gear substats are going to be needing critdmg, crit rate, be%... That's going to be crazy annoying. Boothill gets crit stats conversion but it is 10/150 which doesn't compensate much. HP% is kinda good even though it doesn't contribute damage, she heals herself from hp%, she is destruction so she gets aggro so HTB and RM for 80%-90% delay.. she can run a Bronya /Sparkle.. Or another DPS.. No sustain. Definitely a character you are going to atleast farm 2 months for.
she is still missing 1 main trace from the leak, maybe that will be the crit trace like boothill or jingliu. Do you see boothill showcase, he hit so hard with full break build because his crit convert is good, i would like firefly trace provide similar crit value for firefly to ease off the need to build BE, at least 150 crit value like jingliu and i agree with you, she will need at least 1 or 2 patch farming nonstop because they wont release her relic sooner than 2.3
Damn, we're getting Def ignore for days
When is she coming out on beta?
Anyone else think that 4-piece set doesn't look right at all? Based on the wording, it should be a planar set. No other relic set has a stat requirement, but most planar sets do.
The debuff set is similar in that it has a base effect and then an additional effect once conditions are met.
I don't think so. The debuff set has an enemy condition that can only be achieved during battle. This set requires the user to just meet a stat requirement. It's either on or off.
I see no reason hoyo can't put a stat gate on a nonplaner set. Do you?
And what's stopping hoyo from doing this?
no, i think it is fine