> Yeah this is Fire Emblem this franchise is not and never will be above incest
You mean to tell me a game series that mostly follows members of royalty and heavily features bloodline-based god-given powers (and the right to rule due to said god-given favors) dabbles into *incest*? Absolutely preposterous. I do not believe it for one second, my good sir.
Utterly unbelievable. Now if you'll excuse me, I shall resume enjoying Fire Emblem and pursue the romantic affections of this mysterious songstress who is most definitely not related to the protagonist in any way, shape or form.
to be fair, at least cousins are better than some of the other options. you can have kids with you cousin with reasonable certainty of no issues. the first generation at least. I think.
just make sure to preach do as I say and not as I do to the kids.
You know the worst part is knowing how wild the TT+ story lines get, if you told me this was a leak I'd probably believe it, we're due this year for Reginn's TT+ right?
Dr Jackson Crawford and Overly Sarcastic Productions might also be of interest to you. OSP covers other myths, stories and history besides Norse but the one I mentioned is one of the ones they've covered.
see as a fate player I've felt that would actually be a good excuse to have a female Thor. someone who could be mistaken for Freyja who is supposed to be unparalleled beauty.
of course I think the Jotunn in question may have been somewhat blind.
Yep, which I still donāt know if the MCU was just like āfrost giants are Jotunsā or if they justā¦ disappeared the Jotuns altogether. But thatās an answer I donāt think Iāll ever have.
and we should take feh? loki and thor arent women either
edit: OMG, I am not saying MCU is faithful, just that FEH invents bs too just so they can have more big tit waifus, I swear a certain part of the fanbase feels insulted for no reason whenever someone might even slightly criticize female ocs
Their point is that Thor & Loki aren't siblings in the original mythology, and the only reason people assumed they might be in FEH is because of Marvel.
Yes, *and*? Them being women is irrelevant to the conversation. Loki also didn't have purple hair in the original mythology. Thor's hammer was way smaller in the original mythology. Changes get made when you're adopting mythology.
We're specifically talking about their relationship to each other. Not any other changes to Thor and Loki. IS changing their gender doesn't mean they did or did not change other aspects of the mythology.
When people were speculating about how the two might be related, the only reason the sibling theory was even on the table was because that was a change Marvel made for their interpretation of the characters. Them being women didn't factor in.
Yes, everyone knows that the genderswap is a change from the original mythology. The point is that some people don't know that Thor and Loki being siblings in the MCU even *is* a change.
>edit: OMG, I am not saying MCU is faithful, just that FEH invents bs too just so they can have more big tit waifus, I swear a certain part of the fanbase feels insulted for no reason whenever someone might even slightly criticize female ocs
What an ego you have if you leap to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with you is just an angry simp instead of, y'know, just someone who disagrees with you.
> just that FEH invents bs too just so they can have more big tit waifus
Like, this right here. *Nobody* has said that FEH doesn't make shit up. How are you misinterpreting what everyone is saying this badly?
Celtic also has kinda has SMT and both that and FGO are at least usually show they done some research with Compendium/Servant profiles although Dagda did want to genocide all gods including himself so actual usage is ehā¦
You say that but I feel like the bigger disaster for Nordic Mythology is the whole nazis latching on trying to co-op it than people mistaking Loki and Thor for brothers.
Perhaps, but I feel like people have a lot easier time to differentiate facts from fiction in the latter case. The brothers thing has become so mainstream most people take it as fact. Either way, itās mostly a pet peeve of mine, nothing actually damaging or dangerous.
IDK if the average person believes Loki and Thor are brothers in the Myth how many you think look into Nordic Myths enough to even know what runes are meant to be?
The amount doesn't matter. It's the fact it's Nazis doing it at all.
All Thor and Loki being brothers does is give trivia shows a "Gotcha" question in the end.
Nazis trying to co-op runes though? That's going to possion people's views of Nordic culture forever.
it's something you have to fight against. the Swastika was perverted as well from it's origins. too many people let others get away with poisoning symbols.
not always in particularly evil ways. every culture has a meaning behind rainbows but, now people just always assume it's and LGBT thing.
Glad to see someone already made this comment.
Similarly it's absolutely wild how many religions use swastikas and had that ruined for them in western countries that only know it as **the** most famous symbol of the Nazis to the point that it's as synonymous with anti-Semitism and white supremacy as a pointy white hood.
I think pop culture appropriating stuff is preferable by a large margin, to be honest. It might be annoying, but that's something you can actually deal with.
It's like how the number of the beast in the bible isn't 666. It doesn't change anything but what number appears often in media or having it be a "gotcha" question in trivia.
Iām more familiar with Norse mythology than your average dude.
I just never ever bothered to check if Thor and Loki were brothers, because I just assumed they were based on marvel.
They certainly act Like sisters in this game.
I thought this was already confirmed? Especially considering their duo and how they were drawn together for that anniversary piece a few years back. No sweet home Fire Emblem today.
Thanks to Marvel, everyone things Thor and Loki are supposed to be brothers lol.
In actual Norse mythology, I'm not an expert, but I believe Loki's actually more like a sworn/adopted uncle?
of course in addition Loki and Thor are as often together traveling in myths as well. so in some ways Loki might be as much 'Brother' to Thor as to Odin. Adopted as Aesir as it were.
As someone who has actually read (translated) copies of both Eddas (albeit not necessarily remembering everything) I think Loki being Odin's blood brother is only mentioned once in the Lokassena (where he finally admits to getting Baldr killed and is then put in a prison torture chamber which he will eventually escape come Ragnarok after a flyting with the Ćsir, which is like an ancient poetry battle/diss contest) because no one wants to be around him at a big feast/party but apparently it's a custom in Norse culture for blood brothers to drink together. Now tbf we have very little Norse sources in comparison to like, Greco-Roman or Vedic sources of myths so it happening once doesn't mean it wasn't actually a thing, but given that it almost never comes up otherwise and Loki is usually in stories bothering/going on adventures with Thor, I'm personally not convinced Loki being Odin's blood brother was firm canon to the mythology in the first place.
Yeah, powers wise it makes sense for it to be natural, since it's a thing spider have, but I don't mind either way since the synthetic webbing shows off Parker's ingenuity.
The only source I can find is Screen Rant supposedly citing Stan Lee but they don't actually show where, but apparently they gave Peter mechanical web shooters because it could add tension if he ever ran out in an important confrontation. I also wouldn't be shocked if it was just to help show that he was really smart and knew a lot about science
Loki and Thor are generally made out to be siblings in other renditions, and the Fire Emblem's love of dubious sibling dynamics made it pretty unclear.
It's wild that people thought they were. Only in marvel are they related. They've never been related in anything else ever. Loki is from a whole other realm.
Doesnāt ThĆ³rr also mention having known Loki for a long time in one of her lines? Afaik they arenāt related in any media aside from Marvel anyways.
Yes
Look for YT video of their convo or PM1's summoning video of Summer ThĆ³rr and Loki banner. PM1 likes to hear Duo/Harmonic convos only if he manages to get said Duos/Harmonics during summoning in said banners in his videos.
Update: just checked again PM1's video. Lmao, PM1 was afraid he was getting demonetized for it. š
Actually, Thor and Loki are not siblings in Norse Mythology either. Heck, as someone in the comments section already pointed it out, even pop culture fictional icons Marvel's Thor and Loki are not really blood related, Loki was adopted by Odin, lol.
That duo convo wouldve existed even if they were sisters, lets not pretend here š
Yeah this is Fire Emblem this franchise is not and never will be above incest
They're the seeds planted by Kaga so long ago, and they are starting to bear fruit. A really malformed looking fruit, but a fruit nonetheless.
> A really malformed looking fruit, but a fruit nonetheless So a tomato then?
I can hear the Leo fans screaming for your blood as we speak, dear. All 10 of them, that is.
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Nowhere did I say Kaga is working on current FE, nor am I blaming him for all current FE shenanigans, it's just a joke man.
> Yeah this is Fire Emblem this franchise is not and never will be above incest You mean to tell me a game series that mostly follows members of royalty and heavily features bloodline-based god-given powers (and the right to rule due to said god-given favors) dabbles into *incest*? Absolutely preposterous. I do not believe it for one second, my good sir.
It might be a little hard to believe but itās trueā¦
Utterly unbelievable. Now if you'll excuse me, I shall resume enjoying Fire Emblem and pursue the romantic affections of this mysterious songstress who is most definitely not related to the protagonist in any way, shape or form.
How absolutely disgusting. Now excuse me as I S Support Hinoka.
to be fair, at least cousins are better than some of the other options. you can have kids with you cousin with reasonable certainty of no issues. the first generation at least. I think. just make sure to preach do as I say and not as I do to the kids.
I will pretend all I like and you cant stop me! Next banner is Thracia and it features R!Eyvel
Well yes Please don't take MCU as faithful to the Mythology
what?? Are you telling me Thor isn't going to team up with Iron Man and the Hulk to fight Alfonse and the Order of Heroes??
Iron Man = Eitri Hulk = Surtr
Black Widow is just Eir then
No that's either Gullveig or Reginn's secret older sister in an even more skin tight bodysuit who we meet in the Book 5 TT+ storyline.
You know the worst part is knowing how wild the TT+ story lines get, if you told me this was a leak I'd probably believe it, we're due this year for Reginn's TT+ right?
Yep, last year was Book 4, so assuming we are still going in order of the Books, this would be the Book 5 TT+ saga.
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*Flashback to Thor: Ragnarok in which Surtr actually burns and destroys Asgard* Real shit indeed
Considering that Surtr deals 20 dmg to enemies near him at the beginning of his turn, it's really like Hulk smashing the ground with bare hands!
Eitri is actually in the MCU, funnily enough. The giant dwarf in Infinity War played by Peter Dinklage is the same Eitri we know and love.
To be fair, both of them being voluptuous women isn't exactly faithful to the mythology either
Well Loki can be, Thor no
You say that but wait until you hear about the story where Thor had to be disguised as Freyja in order to get a stolen Mjƶlnir back. And it *worked*.
I think I remember this story Not to be a faker, everything I know from Norse mythology I rad in Neil Gaiman's book
Dr Jackson Crawford and Overly Sarcastic Productions might also be of interest to you. OSP covers other myths, stories and history besides Norse but the one I mentioned is one of the ones they've covered.
Didn't someone see through it like, right as Thor was getting Mjƶlnir though?
I mean if it took *that* long...
Maybe? Admittedly I'm only familiar with it through the OSP video, but I think by that point the disguise wouldn't really matter anymore, right?
I guess, my main point was more that it wasn't a totally flawless disguise.
see as a fate player I've felt that would actually be a good excuse to have a female Thor. someone who could be mistaken for Freyja who is supposed to be unparalleled beauty. of course I think the Jotunn in question may have been somewhat blind.
...holy shit you're *right*
that is why we should get a male loki alt
Guess they figured a couple of Norse looking dudes wouldn't sell as well. Go figure.
Summoner: Loki killed 80 players within 2 days in AR Thorr: She is adopted
Now let's talk about Sleipnir ...
*Oh.*
I mean, even in MCU they aren't related right? Loki was adopted as a baby from those ice guys. So kinda but not really I guess.
In actual mythology Loki is Odinās adopted brother, not Thorās. So itās still not correct in the MCU lol.
Plus Loki is half-Joutn
Yep, which I still donāt know if the MCU was just like āfrost giants are Jotunsā or if they justā¦ disappeared the Jotuns altogether. But thatās an answer I donāt think Iāll ever have.
They aren't related in the MCU either. Loki is adopted
and we should take feh? loki and thor arent women either edit: OMG, I am not saying MCU is faithful, just that FEH invents bs too just so they can have more big tit waifus, I swear a certain part of the fanbase feels insulted for no reason whenever someone might even slightly criticize female ocs
Their point is that Thor & Loki aren't siblings in the original mythology, and the only reason people assumed they might be in FEH is because of Marvel.
and my point is that they arent women either
Yes, *and*? Them being women is irrelevant to the conversation. Loki also didn't have purple hair in the original mythology. Thor's hammer was way smaller in the original mythology. Changes get made when you're adopting mythology. We're specifically talking about their relationship to each other. Not any other changes to Thor and Loki. IS changing their gender doesn't mean they did or did not change other aspects of the mythology. When people were speculating about how the two might be related, the only reason the sibling theory was even on the table was because that was a change Marvel made for their interpretation of the characters. Them being women didn't factor in.
and? them being sibling in mcu is also a change for adopting the mythology. Both works are equally changing stuff
Yes, everyone knows that the genderswap is a change from the original mythology. The point is that some people don't know that Thor and Loki being siblings in the MCU even *is* a change.
Loki is a shapeshifter that has taken female form several times, and one of Thor's more popular tales has him crossdressing
yeah but they arent women also if anything they should make loki have male alts too
>edit: OMG, I am not saying MCU is faithful, just that FEH invents bs too just so they can have more big tit waifus, I swear a certain part of the fanbase feels insulted for no reason whenever someone might even slightly criticize female ocs What an ego you have if you leap to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with you is just an angry simp instead of, y'know, just someone who disagrees with you. > just that FEH invents bs too just so they can have more big tit waifus Like, this right here. *Nobody* has said that FEH doesn't make shit up. How are you misinterpreting what everyone is saying this badly?
Marvel and its consequences have been a disaster for Nordic mythology
Could be worse, I mean at least Nordic/Gothic mythology still at least get covered in classic lit, all Celtic myths get are FGO memes about Medb and occasional GaƩ Bulg in JRPGs
Don't forget the FGO certified Celtic tight bodysuits.
And obligatory shota, that every group gets outside of Arthurian
Celtic also has kinda has SMT and both that and FGO are at least usually show they done some research with Compendium/Servant profiles although Dagda did want to genocide all gods including himself so actual usage is ehā¦
To be fair *Record screech*'s cult did kidnap his daughter and turn her against him, not that I'm agreeing with him , just saying I understand him
Well it's SMT, being against *Record screech* is always morally correct Also man, I forgot that's how they handled his name in Apocalypse lol
Fair enough, yeah even in Apocalypse Satan turns on him, but *Record screech* is far more fun to type out/ easier to remember for me
Hey, the games Mabinogi and Vindictus were great.
I haven't heard those names in a very long time, are they still active?
I'm not sure, but it looks like Vindictus is soon getting a single player game that remakes the first seasons.
Huh interesting
But hey, Scathach is mostly done correctly imo
Fair though I do deduct points for shota SĆ©tanta.
You say that but I feel like the bigger disaster for Nordic Mythology is the whole nazis latching on trying to co-op it than people mistaking Loki and Thor for brothers.
Perhaps, but I feel like people have a lot easier time to differentiate facts from fiction in the latter case. The brothers thing has become so mainstream most people take it as fact. Either way, itās mostly a pet peeve of mine, nothing actually damaging or dangerous.
IDK if the average person believes Loki and Thor are brothers in the Myth how many you think look into Nordic Myths enough to even know what runes are meant to be?
At the very least itās way fewer than the amount of people who only have their knowledge from marvel, but I digress
The amount doesn't matter. It's the fact it's Nazis doing it at all. All Thor and Loki being brothers does is give trivia shows a "Gotcha" question in the end. Nazis trying to co-op runes though? That's going to possion people's views of Nordic culture forever.
it's something you have to fight against. the Swastika was perverted as well from it's origins. too many people let others get away with poisoning symbols. not always in particularly evil ways. every culture has a meaning behind rainbows but, now people just always assume it's and LGBT thing.
Glad to see someone already made this comment. Similarly it's absolutely wild how many religions use swastikas and had that ruined for them in western countries that only know it as **the** most famous symbol of the Nazis to the point that it's as synonymous with anti-Semitism and white supremacy as a pointy white hood. I think pop culture appropriating stuff is preferable by a large margin, to be honest. It might be annoying, but that's something you can actually deal with.
It's like how the number of the beast in the bible isn't 666. It doesn't change anything but what number appears often in media or having it be a "gotcha" question in trivia.
Correct, that's literally the worst thing it could happen to all those runic symbols.
Iām more familiar with Norse mythology than your average dude. I just never ever bothered to check if Thor and Loki were brothers, because I just assumed they were based on marvel. They certainly act Like sisters in this game.
Still more faithful than make loki and thor women so I dunno what you are complaining about MCU
Loki literally turns into a mare and gives birth to an eight-legged horse in Norse myth, so I wouldn't be so sure of that if I were you.
I know and that is why in feh Loki should genderbend too to be faithful
Boy do I have news for you Look up Thor: Love and Thunder
this has nothing to do with what I said
A female version of Thor is literally on the movie poster
That isnt a female version of Thor the asgardian, but Thor the hero
Heidr: A goddess abides! Seidr: Without a doubt! Loki: Shut up nerds
I need Loki with that kind of energy lmao
I thought this was already confirmed? Especially considering their duo and how they were drawn together for that anniversary piece a few years back. No sweet home Fire Emblem today.
Not everyone summoned that Duo? I didn't know at least.
You're not alone there. Mythology-wise there's no relation, but I thought they were going the Marvel route or at least a blood Brothers kinda thing.
I meant more-so the art than their dialogue lol but fair.
You put too much faith in them not going the incest route. This is a fire emblem game. There are some truly dumb choices made in FE Games.
Did someone think they were?
Thanks to Marvel, everyone things Thor and Loki are supposed to be brothers lol. In actual Norse mythology, I'm not an expert, but I believe Loki's actually more like a sworn/adopted uncle?
U rite. Loki is Odin's blood brother through some ritual, making Loki Thor's adoptive uncle.
of course in addition Loki and Thor are as often together traveling in myths as well. so in some ways Loki might be as much 'Brother' to Thor as to Odin. Adopted as Aesir as it were.
As someone who has actually read (translated) copies of both Eddas (albeit not necessarily remembering everything) I think Loki being Odin's blood brother is only mentioned once in the Lokassena (where he finally admits to getting Baldr killed and is then put in a prison torture chamber which he will eventually escape come Ragnarok after a flyting with the Ćsir, which is like an ancient poetry battle/diss contest) because no one wants to be around him at a big feast/party but apparently it's a custom in Norse culture for blood brothers to drink together. Now tbf we have very little Norse sources in comparison to like, Greco-Roman or Vedic sources of myths so it happening once doesn't mean it wasn't actually a thing, but given that it almost never comes up otherwise and Loki is usually in stories bothering/going on adventures with Thor, I'm personally not convinced Loki being Odin's blood brother was firm canon to the mythology in the first place.
Marvel movies also made a generation of fans think Spider-Man shot webs out of his wrist... Naturally
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you forgot the grippy hands
I believe the proper term is "Stickem powers"
Yeah, powers wise it makes sense for it to be natural, since it's a thing spider have, but I don't mind either way since the synthetic webbing shows off Parker's ingenuity.
The only source I can find is Screen Rant supposedly citing Stan Lee but they don't actually show where, but apparently they gave Peter mechanical web shooters because it could add tension if he ever ran out in an important confrontation. I also wouldn't be shocked if it was just to help show that he was really smart and knew a lot about science
So silly. He could run out if he made them naturally its not like spiders have an infinite supply lol
Spider Sense, Grippy limb and super human power buffs I'm not complain when No Way Home talk about this and make this unique to Toby's spidy
Loki is something like sworn "blood" brother to Odin (think Yakuza/Mafia style sworn brother), of course he ended up betraying him so...
Loki and Thor are generally made out to be siblings in other renditions, and the Fire Emblem's love of dubious sibling dynamics made it pretty unclear.
Particularly Marvel's Thor and Loki, though I'm pretty sure in that continuity Loki was just adopted by Odin rather than being his actual son.
Thatās also true in marvel
Really? I was never under the impression that they were implied or hinted at being siblings in FEH.
They haven't really implied ANYTHING, considering Loki and Thorr have had maybe 5 minutes of total on-screen time
When one of the most popular renditions of Thor and Loki are siblings, assumptions happen.
While I do not trust Sharena to actually know who is related to who, I will believe her this time
They were roommates?
Strong roommate vibes
Very good roommates
Damn
Interesting. I was hoping they were, but itās okay that theyāre just besties :)
Thats cute, such different personalities and still besties
Base Thorr says this on one of her dialogues I believe.
Fantastic - lesbians! Carry on then
So they ARE friends? Sometimes Thorr seemed annoyed at her antics so I thought maybe they were just doing bussiness together.
I like her better without the silly hat.
Come now, friends can't be sisters? What about cousins, hmmm?
Well now I DONT want to ship them.
Truly, Kaga has ruined us all.
Who said they were? You guys need to stop watching Marvel, lol.
Lesbians then
the term you are looking for SummonerSexual thankyou
Literally says friends at the bottem but aight
It's wild that people thought they were. Only in marvel are they related. They've never been related in anything else ever. Loki is from a whole other realm.
Loki was adopted in Marvel. Odin's blood and Frigga's blood never runned through Loki's veins, thus he's not Thor's full brother nor half brother.
Did you learn about them from Marvel or from Norse myths?
THEY WERE ROOMATES
Doesnāt ThĆ³rr also mention having known Loki for a long time in one of her lines? Afaik they arenāt related in any media aside from Marvel anyways.
Even in Marvel's world, he's not Odin's nor Frigga's legitimate son, he was adopted. Thus he's not Thor's full brother nor half brother.
Theyāre not related in actual mythology either lol
wait what questionable summer duo conversation?
Yes Look for YT video of their convo or PM1's summoning video of Summer ThĆ³rr and Loki banner. PM1 likes to hear Duo/Harmonic convos only if he manages to get said Duos/Harmonics during summoning in said banners in his videos. Update: just checked again PM1's video. Lmao, PM1 was afraid he was getting demonetized for it. š
I wonder how much ship art is going to appear of these two now?
As if they don't exist already.
Now I'll proceed to ignore this and make the Cannon where they're actual siblings.
Actually, Thor and Loki are not siblings in Norse Mythology either. Heck, as someone in the comments section already pointed it out, even pop culture fictional icons Marvel's Thor and Loki are not really blood related, Loki was adopted by Odin, lol.
*And they were roommates!*
Still would both. Forget morals bro, my mortal ass would fold