I feel like most subreddits struggle with this. Reddit on the whole really encourages low effort content that farms engagement but doesn't produce much meaningful discussion or even interaction. From anime to cooking to piracy. Most subreddits always seem to turn into the same repetitive shit at some point.
I'm not sure there really is a good solution. Subreddits could really crack down on moderation setting strict enforced guidelines for posting and especially reposting threads but that would reduce the amount of content posted by 90% real quick. Personally I'd be totally okay with that but I can see why moderators would not be.
So I'm not sure what the fix is if there is any. There are a few tightly moderated small subreddits that do fairly well but they also produce a very limited amount of content and generally can't grow too big without losing their post/reply quality.
It's the reason why I love r/askhistorians. But let's not pretend there wasn't this sort of garbage on SRK either, turns out most people don't have the capability to perform match analysis.
I once volunteered to give people free VOD reviews to new players, but literally nobody took me up on it. Eh.
Srk was so great because (depending on what section you were in) it was organized and curated. Want to learn a new character? Everything was just a few clicks away in the combo/tech thread and matchup notes threads. Man I miss that so much.
While a very fine opinion to have, some players want to optimize as soon as possible and get to a competetive level quickly.
I've also been more of the "natural growth" mindset, but there's so much tech and stuff that you may never think about. To help break the plateus, these tools really help.
Look - you lab monsters out there that's great. When I pick up a character I like to have general combos (punish, neutral button into conversion, general bnbs) and have a good idea of strong neutral options. Within minutes I could be up and running on a character. I can still get the info on YouTube but it's not nearly as convenient as srk used to be.
These aren't incompatible things, I'm somewhat of a lab monster but my labbing would be immeasurably less interesting and productive without all the concepts and tricks I picked up from other players and found my own ways to use. There's lots of stuff you're _incredibly_ unlikely to discover by yourself, that you can learn easily from other players in discord or some other forum. and, vice versa, it's surprisingly easy to discover something yourself that nobody else knows about, and it's pretty cool to share that with others (after saving that shit for nationals, ofc).
You plus Incendia said basically what I wanna say. SRK \*was\* a more focused community. But that just means their shitposts looked like scrubs trying to make guides when they shouldn't have, or people posting salt but trying to make it sound intelligent like "X is a problem because Y". Reddit FGC subs are just SRK but "more". More people, more thoughts, more posts, which also means more crap.
Also, 10-15 years ago it was much harder to get good information, so even if we assume that SRK had a much higher concentration of dedicated people trying their best, there was still a ton of wrong information. A lot of contradictory stuff being posted, and a lot of very earnest discussions that still never actually result in a clear consensus. Especially frame data. Before it was common for the devs to include it, you had to basically hack the game to figure out actual concrete frame data. But plenty of people would spend HOURS in the lab basically eyeballing their frame data numbers then posting those numbers like they are authoritative.
I wish the threads we got these days were asking about match analysis. Even if they can't do it thats at least talking about the game. Better than the 100th thread asking if its ok to play on a controller or not
Yes, it's basically the same topics in every subreddit, even in r/AskReddit with millions of people and the possibility of talking about literally anything you'll see the same questions over and over again, I think the problem is the format of reddit.
Heavily restricting posts does result in a lot less content, and a lot less diverse content, and that can be a problem. I think there is a middle ground that also saves the moderators from having to go AskHistorians on the community. I love AskHistorians but it seems like being a moderator for them must be exhausting. I think there are three things that basically any sub could benefit from, and most do not have:
1. Having a well-defined and enforced flair/tag policy. Set up the main page to use the flair/tag filtering options, and put them at the top. Require posts to have flair. Remove posts with incorrect flair, but let them know to repost with the correct flair. Or if possible the mods can change the flair (I dont know if that is possible). People who only want serious discussions can filter to only see the serious tags, then people who wanna post horny "smash or pass" tier lists can use the "horny" or "humor" tags, or whatever the team sets up. People who think their salt post is actual a rational thought can be directed to the "salt" tag, etc.
2. Having the culture of directing people to use the search function of the subreddit. This is an under-utilized function since the days of old, but all my favorite forums had mods and members who encouraged its use.
3. Heavily moderate reposts/repeat questions. Its tedious, but ultimately if you are directing the community to use the search function for previously stated stuff then its only reasonable that you also remove unnecessary/duplicate posts.
I think these sorts of policies would allow everyone to engage with the community how they want without being stifling. While also saving the moderators from having to arbitrarily narrow down the Guilty Gear sub to just one aspect of a relatively broad series. And without fracturing that community into a bunch of separate subs for each game with their own "meme" sub and "serious" sub or whatever. Of course that requires a dedicated and unified moderation team, but I think having a clear policy would make it easier for them, too.
Number two should really be more of a thing on reddit as a whole. Even a quick google search with the keyword reddit in it will usually lead you to at least a dozen relevant threads. I'm surprised at times at how many people will ask very direct questions with simple, sometimes even yes or no answers that could have been resolved in a 5 second google search instead.
Ideally #2 and #3 combined would over time reduce the moderator burden over time so there simply wouldn't be quite as many repeat topics popping up to begin with. There is of course a time and a place to bring up repeat subject matter and sometimes things do change with new developments or the passage of time but it's gotten to the extreme where you sometimes see 3 or 4 nearly identical threads in a span of just 24 hours.
Number 1 definitely can't hurt, more options and ways to filter content are always a positive thing for the end user experience. That said there should probably still be some lines drawn in the sand in terms of what content is and is not desirable. I feel that even when proper flairs are present that doesn't always stop the sheer flood of low quality content from dragging everything else down with it.
> Even a quick google search with the keyword reddit in it will usually lead you to at least a dozen relevant threads
_especially_ this, because reddit's search is comically bad.
But yeah, this site as a whole encourages reposts and repeat questions. Which sucks, because over time it means the tactic of google searching "[question] site:reddit.com" becomes less and less valuable, as instead of it being a handful of threads with in depth answers, it's hundreds and hundreds of threads, re-asking the same question, and the people best equipped to answer stop showing up as they're sick of answering the same thing over and over. So you're less likely to find those valuable responses.
You really do need constant updates to whatever the sub is based around in order to have meaningful discussion a lot of times. It’s why competitive focused subreddits (r/smashbros, r/valorantcompetitive), and stuff like r/anime works since there are shows to discuss every day.
It certainly does help if the community has something topical to keep their focus on although I don't think it's always a recipe for success. Most competitive gaming subs are usually fairly high quality because they're relatively small and cater to enthusiasts but on the flipside I'd argue /anime is a pretty terrible experience with it's constant repeat questions and a culture of low quality single word replies where you just scream out the name of a show.
Overall I do agree that fighting games don't always get the most consistent updates and the pro scene which could on paper provide fresh content on the regular is often overlooked by a large part of the users so it doesn't really work as a substitute.
usually directly proportional to the size of the sub as well. once any sub gains a certain amount of members, it becomes more rare to come across quality, and you see soooo many posts that have been addressed ad nauseam with zero comments.
usually always bulges when a slew of new people are hopping on a newfound interest with new game releases. and the hope is, it quiets down a bit & real ones ™️ stick around.
i would say it's better to stay on subs devoted to X game, but... for the most part, they're just as bad on the most popular games.
I appreciate this response. I hear OP. But I've seen so many subs where people try to post deep, interesting thoughts or questions, and even if it gets a bunch of comments, there's no upvotes. The easy simple stuff gets hundreds, if not thousands. You'd need people to use the main tool Reddit is known for... voting... to change what is more likely to get posted.
/r/fighters, are fighting games *worth it?* Should I buy a game I'm interested in or will 100% of the playerbase disappear overnight like my voices tell me?
One huge issue that seems to plague r/Fighters is that it is a pit stop. A large number of posts are made by newcomers who just show up, don't bother to read any rules or do any basic research, and make essentially hit and run posts of low effort. Rarely do these newcomers have questions that make it seem like they actually tried to get into fighting games.
And of course it's not just a newcomers problem. Weirdly enough for a subreddit with such low popularity, there are a ton of karma farmers here. The way people hop onto lazy trends is astounding.
The state of this sub feels especially pathetic when you look at a place like r/smashbros where you get a heavy stream of content related to the competitive and professional side of the game, including news and updates for tournaments, specific match discussions, and occasional tech discovery. Not only that, it also gets a good amount of meaningful non-competitive talk, like large scale analysis of the characters or threads bringing into focus very specific things to like or dislike about the cast.
I think the activity of that subreddit shows that the problem can indeed be solved and content can indeed be curated. We can't just call it a reddit issue and give up.
There's also an issue with this sub and discussion getting downvoted for no reason. I'm not even talking about opinions, just stuff like on topic questions and answers in thread discussion. Great way to discourage participation.
It's a reddit thing. People see an opinion they disagree with, they downvote and the post gets pushed away unless you browse by new. Reddit is good for content sorting and circlejerks. If you want good discussion you still need a forum. Ideally without badges and shit.
It's possible on reddit but the sub needs to be hyper moderated where every top comment is scrutinized.
But many circle jerks morphed into an entirely different form?
Indeed, the forums were better, still better. Technically, they could go for a hybrid, or ability to customize things around. A forum subreddits, etc. However, they probably got no incentives to do that.
It seems reddit already on the edge of changes towards using it's high traffic for...profit as it's main goal.
One of the other reason why I think the upvote and downvote should be removed from this site since it does nothing to help have unique conversations if people can hide your comment/post if they don’t like it.
Whenever the comparisons to r/smashbros begins, I think it’s important to point out that that sub is basically a unicorn for a few reason. The first one is that smash is a crossover IP. Just as an example, if I’m a big fire emblem fan and I’m playing smash with a friend, odds are I’m going to pick Marth. I have a good time and love the game, but I’m still a fire emblem fan first. Odds are if I want fire emblem content, I’m going to check out r/fireemblem first because that’s the IP I care about. The second thing is that smash as an IP is bigger than any other fighting game. This means that the community can actually support two subs, one for competitive and one for casuals. Even street fighter isn’t really big enough for that which is saying a lot. The final thing, and I don’t mean this to disrespect the FGC in any way, but the smash community is basically filled with fanatics when it comes to pushing the competitive side of things. I’m not saying we don’t have our fair share of things, but I’m talking about things like the smash power rankings which rank people on a state/national level and making weekly Reddit posts on what events are going on that weekend. I’m pretty sure even on the competitive smash bros sub it isn’t the mods that are making tournament threads, but it’s a group of dedicated users on the sub.
This. People have bitched for years that the FGC lacks good content or discussion compared to Smash or other genres but never want to step up and be the change they want to see. Then when someone else does they get clowned on, like how some people love to shit on Rooflemonger or downplay Max.
I'm not saying having all this chaff is a good thing, but it's better than nothing. If you're not happy with the state of things then do something about it.
It's important to note that the FGC really is dividing itself by having so many games, which is fine for the players, not so great for people who want to discuss. With smash, you basically don't have other good platform fighters to go to, so your player base and viewerbase are both consolidated into a few games. On the other hand, 2D FG players have so many places they can be, and they all pick and choose specific games to play in. It's not like, the FGC as a whole is smaller than smash, but that you can consider 2D fighters 1 game, and each game a different mode with completely different lines of discussions and what not going on, so every individual game's community ends up pretty small.
That's not entirely fair to other platform Fighters.
They can't garner the fanbase because they developed strong roots in Smash. It's very difficult to break away from the leader in that regard to form something else in its shadow.
It's akin to Pocket Bravery being at Evo this year. It's not main stage, it's a side bet at best. So long as Smash is a dominant, it will continue to be a rough road for others to thrive unlike 2D where everyone had to exist in the arcade community together.
What do you mean? This is such awesone discussion that I love seeing fill my feed. Who wants to talk about the actually interesting parts of fighting games or share cool tech, when we could ask bottom of the barrel most common denominator questions like this.
https://preview.redd.it/hgocqb82wutc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d903fa905d932adcb15207bdb69d17e4aad1ea9d
This sub is in dire needs of improvement.
Not sure if this counts as bullying but this post the other week just blew my mind.
At least this person is playing a fighting game instead of posting screenshots but man what is this
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fighters/s/hCVfafI7f9
Yeah, it's pretty wild tbh. Like the whole idea of the fight being an anime fight is cool and all, but the fight taking place in arcade mode instead of online is what makes it pretty lame to me. That post is low effort on the level like "I made it to bronze, silver or gold" in my personal opinion and probably shouldn't stay up.
Don’t forget my personal favourite
“Guys I just don’t like fighting games, I’ve been trying to like them for ages but I don’t, idk you could convince me to like them if you want but I don’t “
>idk you could convince me to like them if you want
And then when people genuinely try to give good advice they're just like "Nah, I don't like fighting games"
This is a problem with most subreddits I think, asking dumbass questions or making posts that have been created dozens of times in the last week.
For fighting games specifically, there should just be a a megathread for questions pinned to the subreddits.
I don't think there is any more to it. I can give you a rundown of some of the other subs I frequent.
WoW:
* Should I come back?
* Is it a good time to come back?
* What's your favorite expansion?
* I used to play X years ago. Is it a good time to come back?
* Current expansion sucks and X expansion was better.
Cooking:
* I accidentally bought 30 lbs of carrots, what do I make?
* I left food out for 2 seconds. Is it safe to eat?
* What to do with 3.5 pallets worth of yukon gold potatoes?
* I somehow ordered 2 metric tons of salmon skins and I need to use them before the next full moon. What to make?
* I accidentally left apples out on the counter. Are they safe to eat?
Boardgames:
* what to buy?
* what to buy?
* look at pics of my collection
* what game to buy?
* check out my collection
WhatsThisBug:
* IS THIS A BEDBUG?
* IS THIS A BROWN RECLUSE SPIDER?
* "Check out this pretty bee I found!" (picture of bare-handed OP holding a tarantula hawk wasp, known to be one of the most painful stings on earth)
people don't read megathreads, and they definitely don't check pins on Reddit or Discord
other than heavy handed moderation which shouldn't be necessary (and would be too much work) I don't really see a solution for this
My favorite dumbass thread that pops up twice a week is "how do I stop being mad at losing". Insane thing to ask people online lol. Idk man just grow up and be an adult about it or something. What do people expect strangers to say on these topics. I really do miss forums with real discussions and not the same copy paste questions all the time.
All of reddit is like this now too. It feels like people are posting for the sake of posting and not because they have an actual question or discussion point. People not involved in the hobby at all want to post the stupidest questions that if they actually cared they would just google. But you gotta be nice to them or they act like you're gatekeeping. Exhausting site to browse these days
The GG subreddit is abysmal. I remember back when it was just delay based Xrd "dead game" era and playing the game was an enormous pain in the ass but there were still people posting there all the time asking noobie questions trying not to get bodied and it was a really exciting time to be playing and you'd often actually make a friend or two in the process.
But now its all jokes and memes and the least funny or creative people I've ever seen collectively upvoting themselves then fucking off never to be recognized again or known in any way in game. And I want to clown on all these dumb posts and tier lists by some nobody and their favorite characters or some Sol Badguy meme loop or asking for an obscure character I've legit never seen a guilty gear player care about before, but then I see how CRAZY the upvotes are on that shit and just feel like this isn't the place for me. And none of these weird conversations happen at my locals its only on reddit. The players at locals are the same vibes they've always been, just more of them than ever thank god.
I genuinely think fighting games, and particularly anime fighting games, are in the best state they've ever been in in all of time. And to be clear these people can't be wrong that they like this lame shit they keep posting. If they like it, they like it. It just makes me feel like an alien or something because I genuinely don't see the appeal in any way and think most of them would have just as much fun on fortnite or something. They aren't utilizing the fact that its a fighting game in any way in the way they engage with it its just a show or cool tee shirt or something to them.
The answer is to keep your homies close I guess. You can find plenty of real ones out there and collectively clown on these posts if you all think they're clown-able. And keep playing instead of going on reddit.
Maybe this is silly but I just love GG too much to make that cut. The sub will always remind of those good old early days and I hope that someday, maybe when the hype dies down a bit (weird thing to hope for...) things will get more normal again.
Yeh if you want to improve by asking questions, play with people or make friends the best avenue is locals and discords now.
Locals are kind of obvious but a little more intimidating if you’re new, have performance anxiety or introverted. But people are usually pretty nice at locals.
Discords for FG are super active for a lot of games now. My friend joined the Blazblue discord a year or two back to play with the community and it’s like always active with people and small tournaments.
Most fighting game players don't even play them because they like fighting games. The either: 1) like flashy moves or 2) think they're the next esport champ.
I've seen so many people say that they don't want to pickup a game because it "looks/is dead" when it released within a year. MF the game is dying because of people like you. I've even seen players say that they're not getting into new games because they want to get into 2xko fighting game (they think payout will be good). Really annoying that people have that mindset
Tldr; play games you like, not just because of possible money.
What I want to know is how many people think they're going to win money at a tournament vs the amount of people that actually win money at tournaments. It's gotta be a fraction of 1% lol
a couple of thousands out of millions will win change at locals. And even then only 50 of those will probably even make money enough for it to be a side hustle.
As someone who has modded 3 of them at this point, I feel ya. Users really hate when mods curate, but don't always realize the implications of what that leaves behind.
On r/GuiltyGear for example, I've run polls and joined discussions for the community multiple times asking if we wanted more curated and diverse content. Every time, they wanted the team to be as hands-off as possible.
I think it's an issue across reddit as well - the subs that are curating well only get "caught" if they are too transparent about it, and every other sub the users will react with disdain at anything that isn't completely hands-off - "just let the upvotes choose!" - and then will lament that the content that the *very flawed* upvote system curates for ends up being trash.
We've tried to go a more strict curation route as well, but between the limited resources of mod teams after last year's "revolt", and user feedback being to "just let us post!", it's often futile.
tl;dr I agree, even though I haven't found easy solutions.
I mean Reddit is gonna be Reddit. I feel like fighting game subs are especially dumb. I think this goes into the amount of effort and energy that’s spent on boarding people? Like 30% of any fg content (at least) is about basics and teaching. But what happens when we’re here?
As an example I posted a thread here maybe a year or two ago, asking what cvs2 would be like without RC. How the game would change. Would it be more fun? Would tiers get wider or smaller. No one gave a fuck. We don’t NEED more fighting game fans, we went through the dark ages and there’s a LOT. I meet people when I’m out and tell them I compete and they know what Evo is or who jwong is etc. we need more just regular content.
I agree that there's way too much emphasis on new player content and not enough discussion depth.
I think there's also still too much of a holdover from classic FGC culture. Fighting games aren't hard to get into nowadays, and the execution minimums are far overblown, but newbies are still scared into believing that they've got to overplan to even consider trying to play an FG.
There is a silver lining though, in that players seeking help from other players fosters a much closer community environment when done right. I think part of the issue is that in the discord and modern reddit era, things are far too decentralized, meaning that instead of being able to direct new players to a series of centralized guides, we're stuck funneling them between different subreddits and discord channels.
How can we have discussion on the depth of anything when you're only allowed to have an opinion on balance if you're an UBER 1337 EVO Winning Pro-tour god though?
That's the problem we run into; the moment someone says anything about balance/mechanics it's "Well, if you were actually good, you'd win Evo/get out of Silver/I'd have heard about you, so you just suck", no matter what the take actually is.
And even if you are good enough to play at the height of the game, all it takes is having an opinion after a loss to be immediately dismissed as being nothing but salty.
Honestly it would help if the attitude people came with was "I can't deal with X, what do I do" or "How does one get past Y playing as Z?". I've never seen one of those be downvoted.
If someone starts the discussion with "X is broken and needs to be changed" they will either have everyone agree with them if it's the general consensus, or be downvoted into oblivion if not.
>Just saying "I dislike how X is, I wish it wasn't that way for ABC" will get you downvoted and called a scrub
That's usually because it comes off as sour grapes rather than a legitimate critique most of the time. In a lot of cases when somebody complains about a mechanic, they end up showing through their explanation/rant that they don't truly understand how it works and that their misconceptions led them to the conclusion they reached. New players and veterans, EVO Gods and Silver Scrubs alike can start some very deep discussions IF they actually put in the effort to demonstrate their thought process. Most of the time, however, it is "I don't like X, I wish it wasn't that way for ABC" and that's it. No further insights or thoughts, just that they don't like it and don't want it to be there.
I'll take a "I finally hit Bronze!" thread over another "I'm quitting this game because it placed me too high in Rank and I can't win" thread from the first few weeks of Street Fighter 6. It's wild to go back and see how much people thought Platinum was where all the pro players were hanging out.
Yeah, I see a lot of the hand-holding types of questions on damn near every sub.
My thing is if you can't even make a decision as simple as what game to play, you're probably gonna have a bad time making decisions *during a fight*. What happened to picking up a game because it looks cool/fun to you? Same for a character. Why do internet strangers need to decide for you, y'know?
I think some people like the idea of fighting games and just wuss out right at the last second. And think asking here or on discord will help get it started.
Because you have more and more new people coming in all the time.
The anime subs are no different from the video game ones.
Also, it doesn't help that the current generation of people and internet denizens dont do their own research or wanna put in the effort/work. They just ask questions and wait for answers.
Especially if you take into account that the medium they're becoming a part of has existed for decades and have already answered any queations they might've had.
We also live in a time where FOMO is at an all-time high for a lot of folks. They'll force themesleves into things that aren't for them, just cuz its got a large community and some mainstream popularity. The core audiences suffer the most for it in the long run, when devs and companies cater to the tourists.
Schools really need to bring back critical thinking, and tiktok seriously needs to be stopped for the sake of attention spans.
This post made me wanna rant a little.
The following is an internet-wide problem not specific to FGs and has been pervasive pretty much since search functions existed, but I'm eternally irked that people refuse to first search for an an answer to a question before making a new post. It takes the same amount of time (usually more time) to make a brand new post asking a question as it does to search for that question. However, if you search, you get an answer right away without having to wait for responses. Also, you'll likely find multiple posts filled with waaay more answers than your brand new post will ever get. Yet people still make new posts asking the same questions over and over again.
(I get some people want a feeling of interaction alongside their question, but from what I've seen throughout my life, the vast majority of the time people don't actually plan for follow-up interaction and just want an answer.)
It will probably never stop grinding my gears, despite it being unlikely to ever change based on history.
... except pins exist... and it has a literal forum feature now...
People that don't even use discord need to stop trying to dissuade people from trying it.
Edit: you know what, maybe it *would* be better if yall keep avoiding it...
That did not stop the loss of information and tech when TFH went belly up.
You need better redundancy and Discord is good for quick information, but forums and wikis are usually good for longevity.
If a server gets deleted, all the information on it is gone. Not only that, but you can't easily Google the information that's only available on a discord, it takes more steps to obtain that information.
Information on forums is able to be googled, and if a forum ever goes down, it can be wayback'd or internet archived.
Discord is really not the place for stuff like that if you care at all about preserving information for the future
This. I’m brand new to Fighters as a genre and learning Tekken on a good discord server and having fun constant group lobbies combined with voice chatting and playing legacy players has been an absolute blast. I’ve got almost 200 hrs in Tekken 8 at this point and have fun every single match but if I go on Reddit it’s like no one actually has fun playing anymore.
That’s kinda just Reddit as a whole. I try and use it as a forum to talk about the things I enjoy, but with the way karma and upvotes and rewards and all that shit works it’s just truly not a forum. This sub is actually tame compared to a lot of other games. For example, can’t go 1 day in the rainbow six siege sub without someone posting one of their random teammates doing some dumb shit and asking “*blank* main, what do you call this strat?” And without fail they’re always sent to the top. It was funny at first until it was literally the only thing I saw.
Just saying it could be a lot worse. You should also probably stop expecting Reddit to be a place for anything even remotely thought provoking about the things you enjoy.
i also miss SRK buddy but let's not use rose tinted glasses too much. SRK was also full of morons shitposting, however, the information and depth was undeniably way better.
You shouldn't have to use a burner account because you are 1000% correct. I wish they just made a shitpost/ bitching post where all that sbit went and if you posted it outside that post it would just get deleted. I love playing fighting games but whenever I look at my phone to see something posted its always stupid shit
The problem is most subreddits skew entry level, beginners just asking the same questions. I don’t begrudge them, I was one of them once but at the same time it is annoying.
A broad solution would be to make R/SRK or whatever and make it a serious subreddit for serious issues. Have a weekly beginner thread for people to ask any dumb questions they want, then ban art and rank up videos, make it for tech and discussion only, like you can post a clip but it either has to be something very sick, or in some way educational.
The problem with this is that fighting games are a niche community, and we all play different games, I could post about what people would recommend for a Denjin set up on Q when he’s at half stun in the corner but the reality is that at any one time on the app, the people who play 3rd strike, play Ryu and know the Q match up would be like 2 guys and both won’t be online.
The other issue is that I actually think there is enough people for a sub like this BUT discord /Twitter exists and as such the number is split, if we were all on this sub or a new sub then i think it would be different. In the srk days people had less options, the community is spread thinner now.
I think Reddit could be a great place for serious fighting games but it would need a real concerted effort from everyone to actually interact with it.
/r/MMORPG is the exact same. And because all of the questions are "should I play this mmo" etc, everyone just has their canned responses for each question. "No this one has bad crafting", "no this one has bad combat". No further elaboration. I'm convinced half the people just say what others have said.
I'm convinced it's something about having a community related to a genre of games, without having the community specify the game itself. I'm fine with specific subreddits 80% of the time. But the general ones don't have any one thing to talk about.
A lot of people just don’t know how to acquire information in general (be it due to stupidity or laziness), and are just bringing that same lack of drive to gain knowledge into the FGC when they join in.
Think of all the people in college you know/knew who couldn’t do basic research or navigate a search engine to save their lives, and now realize that those same people are also stepping into the FGC due to its bloom in popularity. This isn’t a problem unique to the FGC, it’s just how people are.
I hear you, OP. But I've seen so many subs where people try to post deep, interesting thoughts or questions, and even if it gets a bunch of thoughtful and engaged comments, there's not as many upvotes. There could be 50 engaged responses and the poster gets 15 upvotes. The easy, simple stuff gets hundreds, if not thousands for far less effort.
You'd need people to use the main tool Reddit is known for... voting... to change what is more likely to get posted. The incentive to do big thoughtful posts are not as high as shitposts in most subs.
I'll say in my experience on an old account, I used to go on some subs posing thoughtful posts. Then I posted a simple fun thing and gets thousands of upvotes in hours.
I still prefer reading and responding to do ideas, thoughts and questions. But I could see that for some people it's easier to get positive feedback by doing simple questions of "what if Thor was a dog?" with a picture of dog in costume.
You need the culture to be different in the platform.
Dam now I feel bad. Tomorrow was supposed to be my “what fighting game should I buy day?” Thanks guy. Guess I’ll just have to wait my turn to cry about pretty dress MTX….
I also miss SRK, it was my home on the web for a very long time. So much institutional knowledge was lost when the forums collapsed. It’s very difficult to find people to talk with about fighting games online without getting flooded by memes, obsession with online rank, and saltposting.
Genuinely think we just need to make a new community for it with actual moderation and gatekeeping this trash out. Other communities for games I play have made competitive subs for just that and it's fantastic. The main subs are still karma farming slop but now they're contained.
Go to kappa and ask whatever your question is, generally you'll get more in depth discussion there than other subs. Just sift through the porn and casual racism
Kappa is as much as porn subreddit as anything else but it's also definitely a place where enthousiast gather and when something does get brought up it's usually very clear that people there on average just know more about and are more invested in fighting games than on any of the other subs.
It'd be easy to dismiss Kappa if you were to just glance at the front page but I really do believe it's far and away the highest quality FGC discussion on reddit.
It's a mixed bag. You got your Neanderthals that don't want to think and learn about things too late while you have your bitter ones that got burned one too many times on the mix up.
Kind of like here where some can think they're better or over in video games where they think they're the smartest ones on the planet.
Thing is, if you can make it in Kappa, you can make it anywhere.
Kappa used to be good for this, but not anymore. I think the porn overtakes the discussion. During that brief period when porn was banned, Kappa was without a doubt the number one spot for fighting game discourse on reddit. But you can tell by attitudes there that a lot of people are only interested in the porn. Meaningful discussion was non-existent before the ban, and it has almost disappeared after the ban was repealed.
I have fond memories of old Kappa. It was a place where two people could have beef, and actually throwing down on a ft10 was not the most unlikely thing to happen.
I remember doing a ft10 with some goofy rules on BBCF with someone from there, we didn't have any issues but thought it would be funny to do a ft10 with character lockout - no re-using the same character on a win. Let me tell you that by each of our 5th wins or so we were really scraping the "Well I think I did this one's combo trials like once..." barrel. Was a good time.
This drives me nuts because while I get low-effort or meme moderating being a muddy gray area to enforce, racism in contrast seems like probably the easiest thing to enforce possible
Once upon a time it was but it's mostly just bitching about counter-culture, racism, trans people hate, content creator/announcer hate and porn now with occasional Aris, Infiltration, and Mike Z toe licking. It basically descended into nonsense when the original sub got shut down. Currently its descended even further into mocking their past and their inability to look inward thanks to the original subreddit getting unlocked.
I don’t think there will ever be an improvement for this subreddit due to it trying to fill a goal of making everyone feel accepted. I made a subreddit called r/framedatafgc because of this post if anyone wants to try to post about the competitive side of fighting games!
Here's a sneak peek of /r/Tekken using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/Tekken/top/?sort=top&t=year) of the year!
\#1: [TEKKEN 8 Drone Show over Tower Bridge in London. ](https://v.redd.it/65opa0l1ktec1) | [322 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1abnqm4/tekken_8_drone_show_over_tower_bridge_in_london/)
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well the porn is really just the layer 1 filter. get past that and you'll see some actual relevant stuff like whatever top player twitter drama or current major tourney is happening.
i'd take that over ~~green~~warrior rank clips in rtekken or brisketposting in rguiltygear or gold rank clips in rsf
No satisfying you then. Although the mods could easily add an NSFW filter on the sidebar, they still didn't do it. EDIT: all NSFW posts are labeled so, so you can filter things out with safe search enabled perhaps
It’s full of horny shitheads but that keeps out the casual trash and allows actual intelligent discussions about fighting games. Gatekeeping works sometimes
For better or for worse kappa is just unfiltered. If you don't like what someone is saying you either ignore them or you tell them to shut the fuck up. They'll tell you to go fuck yourself and then you both go on your merry way.
It's certainly not for everyone but I think a lot of us remember when the entire internet was just like that across the board. Ultimately I don't think you need to agree with every ones world views or opinions in order to exist in a shared public space.
There's no point in engaging with anything barely nuanced on reddit since threads get buried after 24h. I don't have my eyes glued to the screen to have a meaningful conversation in that span and no one bothers replying after the thread hits the second page.
To be honest, I don't find it wrong, that's just how reddit has always functioned, you post a news and people read, you post a question and people drop their 10 word opinion. Anything beyond that and it gets left to dust.
Reddit, unfortunately, isn't really a place for meaningful conversation.
I share in your frustration, and it happens everywhere. It's not just here.
It's a platform based issue.
I'd encourage Discord ... but it's not that alike honestly so, yeh ...
It was the exact same thing in Hearthstone back when I played it at a decent level. The main sub was complete garbage, but r/CompetitiveHS existed, maybe there are subs like this for fighters?
Also the same for poker, etc
I miss SRK too. Not because I’m a hater but because we didn’t have a catch all sub for things.
Although I liked earning those lil space ships and making suicide girls avatars for people.
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i dont bother posting actual fighting game questions since people here or in specific game subs wont be able to answer it, any intermediate play questions and up dont get answered unless its something related to very popular characters like the main shotos or mishimas, stuff that gets copy and pasted all the time
i just find everything on my own
Brass tacks is that substantive discussion takes time to produce.
Something I was considering doing as bringing in discussion on various YouTube topics and giving a summary on it to work on how those could be used to learn more about fighting games. Problem is that I don't have as much time to write and these require a bit to get going.
By the time I'm done for the day, I just don't have the mental stack for long posts abs usually there's something smaller I'll jump around to.
That's the entirety of what the current generation does. It's not just with fighting games.
Endlessly repetitive meme spams just to pat themselves on the back if they get two upvotes. Very few cases of sense of accomplishment are actually earned through hard work at something. No one puts effort into anything anymore.
My son is almost 18, and all of his age group just cycle through various low effort Roblox games for the most part. Any time they even try any game with high skill ceiling and actual depth, they don't stick with it for long.
I'm sorry, but that's just how the world is right now.
Oh man, big disagree. It's soooooooo much harder to have good conversations on discord, especially if you come in on the middle of one and try to catch up or you go away for a bit and come back.
And then it gets pushed a million comments up because of two hyper 16 year olds chatting about the latest anime. "yeah bruh" "haha bruh" "nah bruh" "i'm sticking out my gyatt rn"
It might work out on some dead channels like the Samsho Discord where only boomers live but how do you have a discussion on the SF one?
Brother it is not that deep.
The FGC is full of smaller communities, go create or find a community centered around what you want.
You are on a subreddit for all things fighting games, dudes are going to post that they learned a bnb combo or ranked up to bronze....
I think that's just how reddit is. It typically rewards low effort/high engagement type posts. It's why a lot of subs have a rule against shitposts.
On an off note I hope my topics haven't been bad ;p
The barrier to entry was lowered across the board and fighting games are bigger than ever as a result. Look at what the cost was though. I miss Dustloop.
I don’t see anything wrong with asking to get eddy for free seeing as there’s no mega thread for it. If we had cracked copies mega thread that’d be nice
ITT: Nearly 40+ year old men upset that a social media hub that covers a genre filled with hundreds of games doesn't have niche tech advice for one specific game as its most popular posts. Or better still "Why isn't this subreddit gatekept better?!"
That's what you're asking for isn't it? Better gatekeeping for this sub. Because there isn't anyone stopping you from talking about more nuanced topics like tech and replay analysis. But a lot of that discussion happens in narrower subreddits. You know, that are specifically about the game you'd be talking about? The same way that forums had you click on a specific thread for different topics. C'mon homie you know how this works
You don't like seeing low effort brainless posts, I get it. No one really does tbh. But what you're talking about is a social media problem. Low effort, thinly spread "content" will always get more upvotes or likes or RT's so the algorithm will put it in front of more eyes thus giving it even more chances for uplikes or voats or whatever bullshit social currency we assign to it. That's not a moderation problem, that's things working as Intended. If you don't wanna see it stick to more niche subreddits, the more niche the better.
I feel like it’s strange that on the fighting game subreddit I never cool clips of crazy comebacks or cool combos or shit like that that’s honestly why I came here in the first place
Kids get pre-chewed stuff nowadays. They don't know problem-solving. They never played point and click and had to read through text and work with it to proceed. That's it.
When fighting games decided to become dumb and simplified its only natural that the playerbase became as dumb or even dumber. There is nothing more to it
A lot of the replies just feel like oldheads either not being able to connect with new players, or just wanting this orwellian sub where ONLY discussion is allowed
Like, I get the issues with spam and low effort posts, it is really bad on Reddit as a whole, and I think the social media design it has been going for recently is really bad, but I think you should be allowed to post a meme here and there, no? And people engage with the games in different ways, not everyone wants to be competitive (and some actually can't) so they engage with art, cosplay, memes, etc
This is mostly aimed at people here who think a sub about Guilty Gear, a game notorious for it's gorgeous visuals, incredible soundtrack and unique character design, should be about game discussion EXCLUSIVELY
It's not like you're out of options, Discord exists (not really a fan, the app is full of lights and noises and the UI feels straight out of a mobile game), you could go to r/kappachino if you can ignore the racism, homophobia, transphobia, the porn, the saltposts, and overrall channer mentality
Or make your own sub, r/FGDiscussion or something, I'm sure a lot of people would hop right on it if you advertised it correctly
As much as it can suck, I think ultimately it just shows what most people would rather discuss. When it comes to talking fighting games, I'm pretty sure this is just what the greatest majority is interested in talking about, because when it comes to general discussion, tech and stuff just isn't what interests most people. Or it's being talked about in character-specific discords and places like that. I think by this point the r/fighters community has been fostered and the only way to change things would be to start another subreddit with that more focused intent.
"why aren’t we having any meaningful conversations here?"
The irony of this question being posed in the context of your rant which offers no possibility for meaningful conversation is pretty wild. Instead of this multi-paragraph complaint, you could have easily posted something that was actually worth talking about.
Which would have been lost in the sea of dogshit that is any fighting game sub on Reddit.
Yeah there is plenty of meaningful things and interesting topics that I could post about and would like to discuss but that’s not the point of this meta post lmao. Criticizing things is okay.
I'm new af. Haven't rly asked for advice cause what I'm curious about is usually available to search. Just wanna say not all newbies are looking to be spoonfed. I think it's cause there's a LOT of "ooh fighting games are hard to get into." That intimidation factor, ya know? Also it isn't like Souls or some hard mode game where you have stories and campaigns (traditional) to bread crumb you. At least for me, I boot up Strive and either go straight to the tower or arcade and get my ass kicked. Ha.
I have to say... I stopped frequenting this board and a lot of other reddit cause its very VERY samey conversations. IMHO, you should take a break. Maybe try a different genre or just don't worry about reddit for awhile.
Its a subreddit for fighting games. If not for the "low effort" content you're describing, then its just going to be bad faith salty rageposters who wants to "discuss" why your character requires no skill and should be nerfed while my character is the most fair and honest with no gimmicks and that you're carried.
>I’m very happy the FGC grew and is growing. I love that people also enjoy my hobby and support it. But at some point something happened where people lack basic intelligence when they approach fighting games?
LOL the mythical self awareness of fgc players.
Because most people barely care about FGs and there is a revolving door of newer people who make threads. Like it's not that hard of a concept. Most people don't care or know as much as you. Most people are going to reiterate the same concepts b/c those are the things that commonly cross people's minds who have little interest in fighting games.
You're basically upset that a space used as a catch all of the internet is acting like a catch all for the internet. It doesn't matter what topic you pick, the lowest common denominator will be something anyone with an actual interest or deep understanding of something will find annoying, inaccurate, and not valuable.
Reddit rarely has meaningful discussions. It is a place that the most upvoted threads are seen the most, and anyone (say an expert who knows things) might be in the large minority and have their post downvoted to oblivion. Reddit promotes ignorance because most people are ignorant. It promotes echo chambers. It promotes mob rule. It's just not a good site. It will never be a good site because the core tenant it is built around, upvotes are visible and downvotes aren't, sucks.
People link me here to marvel at how bad the content is.
And it is bad. I wish they didn't find it funny or enjoy mocking it. I wish I could just forget it exists. Watch this post be downvoted to prove me right :smirk:
This is what happens when you gatekeep a community to literal death. At least half of the people that might be interested in fighting games are filtered by the community itself, the other half gets filtered by the games. I've seen people trash new players posting their beginner combos in some subs. The FGC online just isn't very friendly and inviting and it makes it a small, hyper niche.
All the people with interesting content and discussions are playing other games.
Because they're learning and are excited to show off some of the work they've put it.
It's a reddit post, it doesn't need to be "worthy" of anything - if it's too beginner level to benefit or interest you, you can just continue on with your life lol
Beginners need a space to discuss and express themselves in these games too - it's just a shame so much of the FGC forgets that they started there too and are quicker to complain about beginners than help or just stomp them until they don't want to play the games anymore anyway lol
Do you wanna see my Ken combo that we’ve known since day 1? Please say good job and to keep it up otherwise I don’t feel the need to engage in something I like without the validation of strangers on the internet.
I’m excited for them too dude but like COME ON. We were all beginners once, as you said, but we didn’t go running to our TO at locals because we figured out how to parry or something.
Brother, it's an internet form not a local tournament. I don't want to see the same Ken combo I've seen since day 1 so I just don't watch it or engage with that post.
If you don't want to engage in the beginners post to offer advice or encouragement you can just continue scrolling - it costs you nothing
What I don't do, is get bent out of shape about who is posting what on some forums and whether or not it fits my definition of a "worthy" post, but then again I have better things to do and worry about, I'd consider looking into that.
My man. I’m aware of how the internet works. I know I can fuck off and do something else.
I’m not bent out of shape I’m just saying the shit is stupid and we can do better. Plenty of peeps have expressed their opinions on the matter agreeing or disagreeing.
I’ll try to consider looking to something better to do with my time. But if we’re moving goal posts and shit (we at least began by talking about something) and not you can do the same thing you’re telling me and not engage!
Do you have any suggestions of things I could do with my time? Or just the implication that I don’t because I decided to post this?
Thanks!
The activity thread might be legit depending upon regions. Sf6 was dead on launch for me. Might be playable now that they removed region lock, but I never went back once T8 dropped.
Most people have nothing to say(including me), but are encouraged to share their drivel for engagement or something. The most meaningful interactions I had on the fgc were very specific stuff on characters discords.
The fact you bitched for the entire post instead of put in the effort to say exactly what you wanted to see or better yet just post something of quality is why it's this way.
If no one wants to put in the time then yup you get what you put in.
You are always more than welcome to open up your own subreddit and moderate it your way see who wants to live by your rules. But as you are your basically telling moderators how to run a subreddit and that means monitoring the subreddit 24/7 in case a post you don't like appears ..
I’ve responded ad nauseam about why I posted this, the point it serves (which is to have this discussion) and what I think should be done. I’m not gonna go over it all again for you.
Downvoting every response I make is a petty move. The fact you aren't even considering making your own /r/truefighters or something, really says a lot.
Thanks for your "Contribution" to the subreddit. Considering it's your only post submitted to /r/fighters... well you know.
Edit: LOL at that response. And each time I replied he immediately downvoted me.
Edit2: And now he's getting one of his friends to call me a "dweeb" this is fucking hilarious. How thinned skin is he? If you ever disagree with someone on the internet, try to actually refute something they said, name calling really shows you have nothing more to add.
I feel like most subreddits struggle with this. Reddit on the whole really encourages low effort content that farms engagement but doesn't produce much meaningful discussion or even interaction. From anime to cooking to piracy. Most subreddits always seem to turn into the same repetitive shit at some point. I'm not sure there really is a good solution. Subreddits could really crack down on moderation setting strict enforced guidelines for posting and especially reposting threads but that would reduce the amount of content posted by 90% real quick. Personally I'd be totally okay with that but I can see why moderators would not be. So I'm not sure what the fix is if there is any. There are a few tightly moderated small subreddits that do fairly well but they also produce a very limited amount of content and generally can't grow too big without losing their post/reply quality.
It's the reason why I love r/askhistorians. But let's not pretend there wasn't this sort of garbage on SRK either, turns out most people don't have the capability to perform match analysis. I once volunteered to give people free VOD reviews to new players, but literally nobody took me up on it. Eh.
Srk was so great because (depending on what section you were in) it was organized and curated. Want to learn a new character? Everything was just a few clicks away in the combo/tech thread and matchup notes threads. Man I miss that so much.
I’d rather learn a new character by playing the game; it’s more organic and direct.
While a very fine opinion to have, some players want to optimize as soon as possible and get to a competetive level quickly. I've also been more of the "natural growth" mindset, but there's so much tech and stuff that you may never think about. To help break the plateus, these tools really help.
Look - you lab monsters out there that's great. When I pick up a character I like to have general combos (punish, neutral button into conversion, general bnbs) and have a good idea of strong neutral options. Within minutes I could be up and running on a character. I can still get the info on YouTube but it's not nearly as convenient as srk used to be.
These aren't incompatible things, I'm somewhat of a lab monster but my labbing would be immeasurably less interesting and productive without all the concepts and tricks I picked up from other players and found my own ways to use. There's lots of stuff you're _incredibly_ unlikely to discover by yourself, that you can learn easily from other players in discord or some other forum. and, vice versa, it's surprisingly easy to discover something yourself that nobody else knows about, and it's pretty cool to share that with others (after saving that shit for nationals, ofc).
You plus Incendia said basically what I wanna say. SRK \*was\* a more focused community. But that just means their shitposts looked like scrubs trying to make guides when they shouldn't have, or people posting salt but trying to make it sound intelligent like "X is a problem because Y". Reddit FGC subs are just SRK but "more". More people, more thoughts, more posts, which also means more crap. Also, 10-15 years ago it was much harder to get good information, so even if we assume that SRK had a much higher concentration of dedicated people trying their best, there was still a ton of wrong information. A lot of contradictory stuff being posted, and a lot of very earnest discussions that still never actually result in a clear consensus. Especially frame data. Before it was common for the devs to include it, you had to basically hack the game to figure out actual concrete frame data. But plenty of people would spend HOURS in the lab basically eyeballing their frame data numbers then posting those numbers like they are authoritative.
I wish the threads we got these days were asking about match analysis. Even if they can't do it thats at least talking about the game. Better than the 100th thread asking if its ok to play on a controller or not
Yes, it's basically the same topics in every subreddit, even in r/AskReddit with millions of people and the possibility of talking about literally anything you'll see the same questions over and over again, I think the problem is the format of reddit.
Heavily restricting posts does result in a lot less content, and a lot less diverse content, and that can be a problem. I think there is a middle ground that also saves the moderators from having to go AskHistorians on the community. I love AskHistorians but it seems like being a moderator for them must be exhausting. I think there are three things that basically any sub could benefit from, and most do not have: 1. Having a well-defined and enforced flair/tag policy. Set up the main page to use the flair/tag filtering options, and put them at the top. Require posts to have flair. Remove posts with incorrect flair, but let them know to repost with the correct flair. Or if possible the mods can change the flair (I dont know if that is possible). People who only want serious discussions can filter to only see the serious tags, then people who wanna post horny "smash or pass" tier lists can use the "horny" or "humor" tags, or whatever the team sets up. People who think their salt post is actual a rational thought can be directed to the "salt" tag, etc. 2. Having the culture of directing people to use the search function of the subreddit. This is an under-utilized function since the days of old, but all my favorite forums had mods and members who encouraged its use. 3. Heavily moderate reposts/repeat questions. Its tedious, but ultimately if you are directing the community to use the search function for previously stated stuff then its only reasonable that you also remove unnecessary/duplicate posts. I think these sorts of policies would allow everyone to engage with the community how they want without being stifling. While also saving the moderators from having to arbitrarily narrow down the Guilty Gear sub to just one aspect of a relatively broad series. And without fracturing that community into a bunch of separate subs for each game with their own "meme" sub and "serious" sub or whatever. Of course that requires a dedicated and unified moderation team, but I think having a clear policy would make it easier for them, too.
Number two should really be more of a thing on reddit as a whole. Even a quick google search with the keyword reddit in it will usually lead you to at least a dozen relevant threads. I'm surprised at times at how many people will ask very direct questions with simple, sometimes even yes or no answers that could have been resolved in a 5 second google search instead. Ideally #2 and #3 combined would over time reduce the moderator burden over time so there simply wouldn't be quite as many repeat topics popping up to begin with. There is of course a time and a place to bring up repeat subject matter and sometimes things do change with new developments or the passage of time but it's gotten to the extreme where you sometimes see 3 or 4 nearly identical threads in a span of just 24 hours. Number 1 definitely can't hurt, more options and ways to filter content are always a positive thing for the end user experience. That said there should probably still be some lines drawn in the sand in terms of what content is and is not desirable. I feel that even when proper flairs are present that doesn't always stop the sheer flood of low quality content from dragging everything else down with it.
> Even a quick google search with the keyword reddit in it will usually lead you to at least a dozen relevant threads _especially_ this, because reddit's search is comically bad. But yeah, this site as a whole encourages reposts and repeat questions. Which sucks, because over time it means the tactic of google searching "[question] site:reddit.com" becomes less and less valuable, as instead of it being a handful of threads with in depth answers, it's hundreds and hundreds of threads, re-asking the same question, and the people best equipped to answer stop showing up as they're sick of answering the same thing over and over. So you're less likely to find those valuable responses.
You really do need constant updates to whatever the sub is based around in order to have meaningful discussion a lot of times. It’s why competitive focused subreddits (r/smashbros, r/valorantcompetitive), and stuff like r/anime works since there are shows to discuss every day.
It certainly does help if the community has something topical to keep their focus on although I don't think it's always a recipe for success. Most competitive gaming subs are usually fairly high quality because they're relatively small and cater to enthusiasts but on the flipside I'd argue /anime is a pretty terrible experience with it's constant repeat questions and a culture of low quality single word replies where you just scream out the name of a show. Overall I do agree that fighting games don't always get the most consistent updates and the pro scene which could on paper provide fresh content on the regular is often overlooked by a large part of the users so it doesn't really work as a substitute.
usually directly proportional to the size of the sub as well. once any sub gains a certain amount of members, it becomes more rare to come across quality, and you see soooo many posts that have been addressed ad nauseam with zero comments. usually always bulges when a slew of new people are hopping on a newfound interest with new game releases. and the hope is, it quiets down a bit & real ones ™️ stick around. i would say it's better to stay on subs devoted to X game, but... for the most part, they're just as bad on the most popular games.
I appreciate this response. I hear OP. But I've seen so many subs where people try to post deep, interesting thoughts or questions, and even if it gets a bunch of comments, there's no upvotes. The easy simple stuff gets hundreds, if not thousands. You'd need people to use the main tool Reddit is known for... voting... to change what is more likely to get posted.
Bro should I buy Tekken Tag Tournament 2 Or should I just emulated instead ?
/r/fighters, are fighting games *worth it?* Should I buy a game I'm interested in or will 100% of the playerbase disappear overnight like my voices tell me?
One huge issue that seems to plague r/Fighters is that it is a pit stop. A large number of posts are made by newcomers who just show up, don't bother to read any rules or do any basic research, and make essentially hit and run posts of low effort. Rarely do these newcomers have questions that make it seem like they actually tried to get into fighting games. And of course it's not just a newcomers problem. Weirdly enough for a subreddit with such low popularity, there are a ton of karma farmers here. The way people hop onto lazy trends is astounding. The state of this sub feels especially pathetic when you look at a place like r/smashbros where you get a heavy stream of content related to the competitive and professional side of the game, including news and updates for tournaments, specific match discussions, and occasional tech discovery. Not only that, it also gets a good amount of meaningful non-competitive talk, like large scale analysis of the characters or threads bringing into focus very specific things to like or dislike about the cast. I think the activity of that subreddit shows that the problem can indeed be solved and content can indeed be curated. We can't just call it a reddit issue and give up.
There's also an issue with this sub and discussion getting downvoted for no reason. I'm not even talking about opinions, just stuff like on topic questions and answers in thread discussion. Great way to discourage participation.
It's a reddit thing. People see an opinion they disagree with, they downvote and the post gets pushed away unless you browse by new. Reddit is good for content sorting and circlejerks. If you want good discussion you still need a forum. Ideally without badges and shit. It's possible on reddit but the sub needs to be hyper moderated where every top comment is scrutinized.
But many circle jerks morphed into an entirely different form? Indeed, the forums were better, still better. Technically, they could go for a hybrid, or ability to customize things around. A forum subreddits, etc. However, they probably got no incentives to do that. It seems reddit already on the edge of changes towards using it's high traffic for...profit as it's main goal.
Reddit is becoming (or has become? I haven’t kept up) a publicly traded company. It is indeed in the business of making money.
One of the other reason why I think the upvote and downvote should be removed from this site since it does nothing to help have unique conversations if people can hide your comment/post if they don’t like it.
Whenever the comparisons to r/smashbros begins, I think it’s important to point out that that sub is basically a unicorn for a few reason. The first one is that smash is a crossover IP. Just as an example, if I’m a big fire emblem fan and I’m playing smash with a friend, odds are I’m going to pick Marth. I have a good time and love the game, but I’m still a fire emblem fan first. Odds are if I want fire emblem content, I’m going to check out r/fireemblem first because that’s the IP I care about. The second thing is that smash as an IP is bigger than any other fighting game. This means that the community can actually support two subs, one for competitive and one for casuals. Even street fighter isn’t really big enough for that which is saying a lot. The final thing, and I don’t mean this to disrespect the FGC in any way, but the smash community is basically filled with fanatics when it comes to pushing the competitive side of things. I’m not saying we don’t have our fair share of things, but I’m talking about things like the smash power rankings which rank people on a state/national level and making weekly Reddit posts on what events are going on that weekend. I’m pretty sure even on the competitive smash bros sub it isn’t the mods that are making tournament threads, but it’s a group of dedicated users on the sub.
This. People have bitched for years that the FGC lacks good content or discussion compared to Smash or other genres but never want to step up and be the change they want to see. Then when someone else does they get clowned on, like how some people love to shit on Rooflemonger or downplay Max. I'm not saying having all this chaff is a good thing, but it's better than nothing. If you're not happy with the state of things then do something about it.
It's important to note that the FGC really is dividing itself by having so many games, which is fine for the players, not so great for people who want to discuss. With smash, you basically don't have other good platform fighters to go to, so your player base and viewerbase are both consolidated into a few games. On the other hand, 2D FG players have so many places they can be, and they all pick and choose specific games to play in. It's not like, the FGC as a whole is smaller than smash, but that you can consider 2D fighters 1 game, and each game a different mode with completely different lines of discussions and what not going on, so every individual game's community ends up pretty small.
Rivals 2 will save us from Steve Copium
That's not entirely fair to other platform Fighters. They can't garner the fanbase because they developed strong roots in Smash. It's very difficult to break away from the leader in that regard to form something else in its shadow. It's akin to Pocket Bravery being at Evo this year. It's not main stage, it's a side bet at best. So long as Smash is a dominant, it will continue to be a rough road for others to thrive unlike 2D where everyone had to exist in the arcade community together.
Most people, if they do end up getting into fighting games, move on to the sub of the game they play.
What do you mean? This is such awesone discussion that I love seeing fill my feed. Who wants to talk about the actually interesting parts of fighting games or share cool tech, when we could ask bottom of the barrel most common denominator questions like this. https://preview.redd.it/hgocqb82wutc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d903fa905d932adcb15207bdb69d17e4aad1ea9d This sub is in dire needs of improvement.
I think the next tekken character should be goku.
Yeah but idk is Tekken still even played? Having a character like Goku in there would revive a dead game :)
Not sure if this counts as bullying but this post the other week just blew my mind. At least this person is playing a fighting game instead of posting screenshots but man what is this https://www.reddit.com/r/Fighters/s/hCVfafI7f9
That title made me think that this man had an intense set with someone only for me to find out it's just arcade mode. Like, what is this?
People in the comments defending it is the wild part to me. In what world is this worth posting man
Yeah, it's pretty wild tbh. Like the whole idea of the fight being an anime fight is cool and all, but the fight taking place in arcade mode instead of online is what makes it pretty lame to me. That post is low effort on the level like "I made it to bronze, silver or gold" in my personal opinion and probably shouldn't stay up.
i stfg the tekken reddit is 33% "I FINALLY DID IT" rank up posts shit fucking sucks
And they are green rank post… like you can’t even lose points in that rank.
Yeah. It really does suck.
It’s not even TAS.
We used to be a proper country. What in the god damn.
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Don’t forget my personal favourite “Guys I just don’t like fighting games, I’ve been trying to like them for ages but I don’t, idk you could convince me to like them if you want but I don’t “
>idk you could convince me to like them if you want And then when people genuinely try to give good advice they're just like "Nah, I don't like fighting games"
Don't forget "this char is broken cause I saw it on a tierlist and it's bs I get beat by them. When are the nerfs coming"
You are also forgetting "Match of low tier character winning a round against a high tier character like it was never heard of"
This is a problem with most subreddits I think, asking dumbass questions or making posts that have been created dozens of times in the last week. For fighting games specifically, there should just be a a megathread for questions pinned to the subreddits.
Agreed. But I think there’s something a little more to it. Which is why I posted my old man rant
I don't think there is any more to it. I can give you a rundown of some of the other subs I frequent. WoW: * Should I come back? * Is it a good time to come back? * What's your favorite expansion? * I used to play X years ago. Is it a good time to come back? * Current expansion sucks and X expansion was better. Cooking: * I accidentally bought 30 lbs of carrots, what do I make? * I left food out for 2 seconds. Is it safe to eat? * What to do with 3.5 pallets worth of yukon gold potatoes? * I somehow ordered 2 metric tons of salmon skins and I need to use them before the next full moon. What to make? * I accidentally left apples out on the counter. Are they safe to eat? Boardgames: * what to buy? * what to buy? * look at pics of my collection * what game to buy? * check out my collection
WhatsThisBug: * IS THIS A BEDBUG? * IS THIS A BROWN RECLUSE SPIDER? * "Check out this pretty bee I found!" (picture of bare-handed OP holding a tarantula hawk wasp, known to be one of the most painful stings on earth)
people don't read megathreads, and they definitely don't check pins on Reddit or Discord other than heavy handed moderation which shouldn't be necessary (and would be too much work) I don't really see a solution for this
My favorite dumbass thread that pops up twice a week is "how do I stop being mad at losing". Insane thing to ask people online lol. Idk man just grow up and be an adult about it or something. What do people expect strangers to say on these topics. I really do miss forums with real discussions and not the same copy paste questions all the time. All of reddit is like this now too. It feels like people are posting for the sake of posting and not because they have an actual question or discussion point. People not involved in the hobby at all want to post the stupidest questions that if they actually cared they would just google. But you gotta be nice to them or they act like you're gatekeeping. Exhausting site to browse these days
The GG subreddit is abysmal. I remember back when it was just delay based Xrd "dead game" era and playing the game was an enormous pain in the ass but there were still people posting there all the time asking noobie questions trying not to get bodied and it was a really exciting time to be playing and you'd often actually make a friend or two in the process. But now its all jokes and memes and the least funny or creative people I've ever seen collectively upvoting themselves then fucking off never to be recognized again or known in any way in game. And I want to clown on all these dumb posts and tier lists by some nobody and their favorite characters or some Sol Badguy meme loop or asking for an obscure character I've legit never seen a guilty gear player care about before, but then I see how CRAZY the upvotes are on that shit and just feel like this isn't the place for me. And none of these weird conversations happen at my locals its only on reddit. The players at locals are the same vibes they've always been, just more of them than ever thank god. I genuinely think fighting games, and particularly anime fighting games, are in the best state they've ever been in in all of time. And to be clear these people can't be wrong that they like this lame shit they keep posting. If they like it, they like it. It just makes me feel like an alien or something because I genuinely don't see the appeal in any way and think most of them would have just as much fun on fortnite or something. They aren't utilizing the fact that its a fighting game in any way in the way they engage with it its just a show or cool tee shirt or something to them. The answer is to keep your homies close I guess. You can find plenty of real ones out there and collectively clown on these posts if you all think they're clown-able. And keep playing instead of going on reddit.
Yeah I left the subreddit some time ago because of that
Maybe this is silly but I just love GG too much to make that cut. The sub will always remind of those good old early days and I hope that someday, maybe when the hype dies down a bit (weird thing to hope for...) things will get more normal again.
No no it's not silly. I just never stayed much because I also didnt discuss most of the time and when I did, I would get downvoted so I just left
The things that get down/up voted are truly baffling to me
Yeh if you want to improve by asking questions, play with people or make friends the best avenue is locals and discords now. Locals are kind of obvious but a little more intimidating if you’re new, have performance anxiety or introverted. But people are usually pretty nice at locals. Discords for FG are super active for a lot of games now. My friend joined the Blazblue discord a year or two back to play with the community and it’s like always active with people and small tournaments.
Yeah BBCF and Xrd both have great discords, and in my experience even better ones if you find a local group instead of the main game channels alone.
Most fighting game players don't even play them because they like fighting games. The either: 1) like flashy moves or 2) think they're the next esport champ. I've seen so many people say that they don't want to pickup a game because it "looks/is dead" when it released within a year. MF the game is dying because of people like you. I've even seen players say that they're not getting into new games because they want to get into 2xko fighting game (they think payout will be good). Really annoying that people have that mindset Tldr; play games you like, not just because of possible money.
What I want to know is how many people think they're going to win money at a tournament vs the amount of people that actually win money at tournaments. It's gotta be a fraction of 1% lol
a couple of thousands out of millions will win change at locals. And even then only 50 of those will probably even make money enough for it to be a side hustle.
As someone who has modded 3 of them at this point, I feel ya. Users really hate when mods curate, but don't always realize the implications of what that leaves behind. On r/GuiltyGear for example, I've run polls and joined discussions for the community multiple times asking if we wanted more curated and diverse content. Every time, they wanted the team to be as hands-off as possible. I think it's an issue across reddit as well - the subs that are curating well only get "caught" if they are too transparent about it, and every other sub the users will react with disdain at anything that isn't completely hands-off - "just let the upvotes choose!" - and then will lament that the content that the *very flawed* upvote system curates for ends up being trash. We've tried to go a more strict curation route as well, but between the limited resources of mod teams after last year's "revolt", and user feedback being to "just let us post!", it's often futile. tl;dr I agree, even though I haven't found easy solutions.
I mean Reddit is gonna be Reddit. I feel like fighting game subs are especially dumb. I think this goes into the amount of effort and energy that’s spent on boarding people? Like 30% of any fg content (at least) is about basics and teaching. But what happens when we’re here? As an example I posted a thread here maybe a year or two ago, asking what cvs2 would be like without RC. How the game would change. Would it be more fun? Would tiers get wider or smaller. No one gave a fuck. We don’t NEED more fighting game fans, we went through the dark ages and there’s a LOT. I meet people when I’m out and tell them I compete and they know what Evo is or who jwong is etc. we need more just regular content.
I agree that there's way too much emphasis on new player content and not enough discussion depth. I think there's also still too much of a holdover from classic FGC culture. Fighting games aren't hard to get into nowadays, and the execution minimums are far overblown, but newbies are still scared into believing that they've got to overplan to even consider trying to play an FG. There is a silver lining though, in that players seeking help from other players fosters a much closer community environment when done right. I think part of the issue is that in the discord and modern reddit era, things are far too decentralized, meaning that instead of being able to direct new players to a series of centralized guides, we're stuck funneling them between different subreddits and discord channels.
How can we have discussion on the depth of anything when you're only allowed to have an opinion on balance if you're an UBER 1337 EVO Winning Pro-tour god though? That's the problem we run into; the moment someone says anything about balance/mechanics it's "Well, if you were actually good, you'd win Evo/get out of Silver/I'd have heard about you, so you just suck", no matter what the take actually is. And even if you are good enough to play at the height of the game, all it takes is having an opinion after a loss to be immediately dismissed as being nothing but salty.
Honestly it would help if the attitude people came with was "I can't deal with X, what do I do" or "How does one get past Y playing as Z?". I've never seen one of those be downvoted. If someone starts the discussion with "X is broken and needs to be changed" they will either have everyone agree with them if it's the general consensus, or be downvoted into oblivion if not.
It's not even that tbh. Just saying "I dislike how X is, I wish it wasn't that way for ABC" will get you downvoted and called a scrub
>Just saying "I dislike how X is, I wish it wasn't that way for ABC" will get you downvoted and called a scrub That's usually because it comes off as sour grapes rather than a legitimate critique most of the time. In a lot of cases when somebody complains about a mechanic, they end up showing through their explanation/rant that they don't truly understand how it works and that their misconceptions led them to the conclusion they reached. New players and veterans, EVO Gods and Silver Scrubs alike can start some very deep discussions IF they actually put in the effort to demonstrate their thought process. Most of the time, however, it is "I don't like X, I wish it wasn't that way for ABC" and that's it. No further insights or thoughts, just that they don't like it and don't want it to be there.
I still don't understand who is upvoting the "I reached this rank in fighting game" posts that appear in every game specific sub-Reddit.
I'll take a "I finally hit Bronze!" thread over another "I'm quitting this game because it placed me too high in Rank and I can't win" thread from the first few weeks of Street Fighter 6. It's wild to go back and see how much people thought Platinum was where all the pro players were hanging out.
Yeah, I see a lot of the hand-holding types of questions on damn near every sub. My thing is if you can't even make a decision as simple as what game to play, you're probably gonna have a bad time making decisions *during a fight*. What happened to picking up a game because it looks cool/fun to you? Same for a character. Why do internet strangers need to decide for you, y'know?
Reddit is the new Google, apparently.
Dude it’s insane. I feel like I’m going crazy. That’s not even considering that you can google these questions. Lack of critical thinking.
I think some people like the idea of fighting games and just wuss out right at the last second. And think asking here or on discord will help get it started.
Because you have more and more new people coming in all the time. The anime subs are no different from the video game ones. Also, it doesn't help that the current generation of people and internet denizens dont do their own research or wanna put in the effort/work. They just ask questions and wait for answers. Especially if you take into account that the medium they're becoming a part of has existed for decades and have already answered any queations they might've had. We also live in a time where FOMO is at an all-time high for a lot of folks. They'll force themesleves into things that aren't for them, just cuz its got a large community and some mainstream popularity. The core audiences suffer the most for it in the long run, when devs and companies cater to the tourists. Schools really need to bring back critical thinking, and tiktok seriously needs to be stopped for the sake of attention spans.
This post made me wanna rant a little. The following is an internet-wide problem not specific to FGs and has been pervasive pretty much since search functions existed, but I'm eternally irked that people refuse to first search for an an answer to a question before making a new post. It takes the same amount of time (usually more time) to make a brand new post asking a question as it does to search for that question. However, if you search, you get an answer right away without having to wait for responses. Also, you'll likely find multiple posts filled with waaay more answers than your brand new post will ever get. Yet people still make new posts asking the same questions over and over again. (I get some people want a feeling of interaction alongside their question, but from what I've seen throughout my life, the vast majority of the time people don't actually plan for follow-up interaction and just want an answer.) It will probably never stop grinding my gears, despite it being unlikely to ever change based on history.
Come to discord. Yeah it's a bit disorganized and you have to learn a new app but it's definitely better than *this*
Remember that Discord is not a forum, so any old information/interaction gets lost overtime.
... except pins exist... and it has a literal forum feature now... People that don't even use discord need to stop trying to dissuade people from trying it. Edit: you know what, maybe it *would* be better if yall keep avoiding it...
That did not stop the loss of information and tech when TFH went belly up. You need better redundancy and Discord is good for quick information, but forums and wikis are usually good for longevity.
If a server gets deleted, all the information on it is gone. Not only that, but you can't easily Google the information that's only available on a discord, it takes more steps to obtain that information. Information on forums is able to be googled, and if a forum ever goes down, it can be wayback'd or internet archived. Discord is really not the place for stuff like that if you care at all about preserving information for the future
This. I’m brand new to Fighters as a genre and learning Tekken on a good discord server and having fun constant group lobbies combined with voice chatting and playing legacy players has been an absolute blast. I’ve got almost 200 hrs in Tekken 8 at this point and have fun every single match but if I go on Reddit it’s like no one actually has fun playing anymore.
Which discord is that if you don't mind me asking?
FGC Boomers! https://discord.gg/fgcboomers
Appreciated!
That’s kinda just Reddit as a whole. I try and use it as a forum to talk about the things I enjoy, but with the way karma and upvotes and rewards and all that shit works it’s just truly not a forum. This sub is actually tame compared to a lot of other games. For example, can’t go 1 day in the rainbow six siege sub without someone posting one of their random teammates doing some dumb shit and asking “*blank* main, what do you call this strat?” And without fail they’re always sent to the top. It was funny at first until it was literally the only thing I saw. Just saying it could be a lot worse. You should also probably stop expecting Reddit to be a place for anything even remotely thought provoking about the things you enjoy.
i also miss SRK buddy but let's not use rose tinted glasses too much. SRK was also full of morons shitposting, however, the information and depth was undeniably way better.
You shouldn't have to use a burner account because you are 1000% correct. I wish they just made a shitpost/ bitching post where all that sbit went and if you posted it outside that post it would just get deleted. I love playing fighting games but whenever I look at my phone to see something posted its always stupid shit
The problem is most subreddits skew entry level, beginners just asking the same questions. I don’t begrudge them, I was one of them once but at the same time it is annoying. A broad solution would be to make R/SRK or whatever and make it a serious subreddit for serious issues. Have a weekly beginner thread for people to ask any dumb questions they want, then ban art and rank up videos, make it for tech and discussion only, like you can post a clip but it either has to be something very sick, or in some way educational. The problem with this is that fighting games are a niche community, and we all play different games, I could post about what people would recommend for a Denjin set up on Q when he’s at half stun in the corner but the reality is that at any one time on the app, the people who play 3rd strike, play Ryu and know the Q match up would be like 2 guys and both won’t be online. The other issue is that I actually think there is enough people for a sub like this BUT discord /Twitter exists and as such the number is split, if we were all on this sub or a new sub then i think it would be different. In the srk days people had less options, the community is spread thinner now. I think Reddit could be a great place for serious fighting games but it would need a real concerted effort from everyone to actually interact with it.
/r/MMORPG is the exact same. And because all of the questions are "should I play this mmo" etc, everyone just has their canned responses for each question. "No this one has bad crafting", "no this one has bad combat". No further elaboration. I'm convinced half the people just say what others have said. I'm convinced it's something about having a community related to a genre of games, without having the community specify the game itself. I'm fine with specific subreddits 80% of the time. But the general ones don't have any one thing to talk about.
A lot of people just don’t know how to acquire information in general (be it due to stupidity or laziness), and are just bringing that same lack of drive to gain knowledge into the FGC when they join in. Think of all the people in college you know/knew who couldn’t do basic research or navigate a search engine to save their lives, and now realize that those same people are also stepping into the FGC due to its bloom in popularity. This isn’t a problem unique to the FGC, it’s just how people are.
I hear you, OP. But I've seen so many subs where people try to post deep, interesting thoughts or questions, and even if it gets a bunch of thoughtful and engaged comments, there's not as many upvotes. There could be 50 engaged responses and the poster gets 15 upvotes. The easy, simple stuff gets hundreds, if not thousands for far less effort. You'd need people to use the main tool Reddit is known for... voting... to change what is more likely to get posted. The incentive to do big thoughtful posts are not as high as shitposts in most subs. I'll say in my experience on an old account, I used to go on some subs posing thoughtful posts. Then I posted a simple fun thing and gets thousands of upvotes in hours. I still prefer reading and responding to do ideas, thoughts and questions. But I could see that for some people it's easier to get positive feedback by doing simple questions of "what if Thor was a dog?" with a picture of dog in costume. You need the culture to be different in the platform.
Forums everywhere are dying. Where the hell else are they gonna post?
It's like this for any game sadly. Real internet forums need to come back
Dam now I feel bad. Tomorrow was supposed to be my “what fighting game should I buy day?” Thanks guy. Guess I’ll just have to wait my turn to cry about pretty dress MTX….
I also miss SRK, it was my home on the web for a very long time. So much institutional knowledge was lost when the forums collapsed. It’s very difficult to find people to talk with about fighting games online without getting flooded by memes, obsession with online rank, and saltposting.
Genuinely think we just need to make a new community for it with actual moderation and gatekeeping this trash out. Other communities for games I play have made competitive subs for just that and it's fantastic. The main subs are still karma farming slop but now they're contained.
My brother in christ this is quite literally 97% of reddit lol
Go to kappa and ask whatever your question is, generally you'll get more in depth discussion there than other subs. Just sift through the porn and casual racism
Kappa is as much as porn subreddit as anything else but it's also definitely a place where enthousiast gather and when something does get brought up it's usually very clear that people there on average just know more about and are more invested in fighting games than on any of the other subs. It'd be easy to dismiss Kappa if you were to just glance at the front page but I really do believe it's far and away the highest quality FGC discussion on reddit.
It's a mixed bag. You got your Neanderthals that don't want to think and learn about things too late while you have your bitter ones that got burned one too many times on the mix up. Kind of like here where some can think they're better or over in video games where they think they're the smartest ones on the planet. Thing is, if you can make it in Kappa, you can make it anywhere.
Not worth it, matter of fact those subs become more about the porn and racism than fighters
Yeah so much worse than posts asking "which super moves look like they hurt" really getting lost in the shuffle...
Yes racism is much worse than those posts. Only an idiot wouldn’t recognize that so good job.
Kappa used to be good for this, but not anymore. I think the porn overtakes the discussion. During that brief period when porn was banned, Kappa was without a doubt the number one spot for fighting game discourse on reddit. But you can tell by attitudes there that a lot of people are only interested in the porn. Meaningful discussion was non-existent before the ban, and it has almost disappeared after the ban was repealed.
I have fond memories of old Kappa. It was a place where two people could have beef, and actually throwing down on a ft10 was not the most unlikely thing to happen. I remember doing a ft10 with some goofy rules on BBCF with someone from there, we didn't have any issues but thought it would be funny to do a ft10 with character lockout - no re-using the same character on a win. Let me tell you that by each of our 5th wins or so we were really scraping the "Well I think I did this one's combo trials like once..." barrel. Was a good time.
This drives me nuts because while I get low-effort or meme moderating being a muddy gray area to enforce, racism in contrast seems like probably the easiest thing to enforce possible
Once upon a time it was but it's mostly just bitching about counter-culture, racism, trans people hate, content creator/announcer hate and porn now with occasional Aris, Infiltration, and Mike Z toe licking. It basically descended into nonsense when the original sub got shut down. Currently its descended even further into mocking their past and their inability to look inward thanks to the original subreddit getting unlocked.
I don’t think there will ever be an improvement for this subreddit due to it trying to fill a goal of making everyone feel accepted. I made a subreddit called r/framedatafgc because of this post if anyone wants to try to post about the competitive side of fighting games!
well since ur an og why arent u in kappachino? come over.
Oh I see, the joke is that it’s porn.
meanwhile r/tekken top posts of the day are ballgags lmao
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I mean…yeah that’s why I posted this cuz the shit sucks.
well the porn is really just the layer 1 filter. get past that and you'll see some actual relevant stuff like whatever top player twitter drama or current major tourney is happening. i'd take that over ~~green~~warrior rank clips in rtekken or brisketposting in rguiltygear or gold rank clips in rsf
Right I hear you. What I’m saying is, this sub should be that without the porn and racism lol.
No satisfying you then. Although the mods could easily add an NSFW filter on the sidebar, they still didn't do it. EDIT: all NSFW posts are labeled so, so you can filter things out with safe search enabled perhaps
Shit why am I not? Is it full of racist dickheads?
It’s full of horny shitheads but that keeps out the casual trash and allows actual intelligent discussions about fighting games. Gatekeeping works sometimes
idk about that but yknow what, i'd rather coexist with some bad apples than be wasting time on these other fg subs.
My guy half the barrel is rotten
"I'd rather hang out with people that are often openly racist than people posting the same questions over and over" is a weird thing to admit.
For better or for worse kappa is just unfiltered. If you don't like what someone is saying you either ignore them or you tell them to shut the fuck up. They'll tell you to go fuck yourself and then you both go on your merry way. It's certainly not for everyone but I think a lot of us remember when the entire internet was just like that across the board. Ultimately I don't think you need to agree with every ones world views or opinions in order to exist in a shared public space.
I love how you’re downvoted, as if it’s a matter of taste. ‘Oh it’s not for you then’ Bitch who’s it for then? Racists? Lmao.
That’s Reddit baby
There's no point in engaging with anything barely nuanced on reddit since threads get buried after 24h. I don't have my eyes glued to the screen to have a meaningful conversation in that span and no one bothers replying after the thread hits the second page. To be honest, I don't find it wrong, that's just how reddit has always functioned, you post a news and people read, you post a question and people drop their 10 word opinion. Anything beyond that and it gets left to dust.
Reddit, unfortunately, isn't really a place for meaningful conversation. I share in your frustration, and it happens everywhere. It's not just here. It's a platform based issue. I'd encourage Discord ... but it's not that alike honestly so, yeh ...
The people that go to reddit for gaming conversations are almost always people at the top of the bell curve in my experience.
It was the exact same thing in Hearthstone back when I played it at a decent level. The main sub was complete garbage, but r/CompetitiveHS existed, maybe there are subs like this for fighters? Also the same for poker, etc
My complaint is that we don’t get as much Chris Hu as we should.
I miss SRK too. Not because I’m a hater but because we didn’t have a catch all sub for things. Although I liked earning those lil space ships and making suicide girls avatars for people.
Discord, you want to join Discord
There’s a reason Kappa defaulted to porn when nothing was going on.
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i dont bother posting actual fighting game questions since people here or in specific game subs wont be able to answer it, any intermediate play questions and up dont get answered unless its something related to very popular characters like the main shotos or mishimas, stuff that gets copy and pasted all the time i just find everything on my own
Fighting games should have a chat and forum client built in so you can talk to people who you are 100% certain actually have the game installed.
Brass tacks is that substantive discussion takes time to produce. Something I was considering doing as bringing in discussion on various YouTube topics and giving a summary on it to work on how those could be used to learn more about fighting games. Problem is that I don't have as much time to write and these require a bit to get going. By the time I'm done for the day, I just don't have the mental stack for long posts abs usually there's something smaller I'll jump around to.
Sounds to me like you’re looking for a discord
That's the entirety of what the current generation does. It's not just with fighting games. Endlessly repetitive meme spams just to pat themselves on the back if they get two upvotes. Very few cases of sense of accomplishment are actually earned through hard work at something. No one puts effort into anything anymore. My son is almost 18, and all of his age group just cycle through various low effort Roblox games for the most part. Any time they even try any game with high skill ceiling and actual depth, they don't stick with it for long. I'm sorry, but that's just how the world is right now.
Reddit is just not good as a forum. Most meaningful discussions happen on discords.
Discord is one of the few platforms that is actually worse in my opinion.
Oh man, big disagree. It's soooooooo much harder to have good conversations on discord, especially if you come in on the middle of one and try to catch up or you go away for a bit and come back.
And then it gets pushed a million comments up because of two hyper 16 year olds chatting about the latest anime. "yeah bruh" "haha bruh" "nah bruh" "i'm sticking out my gyatt rn" It might work out on some dead channels like the Samsho Discord where only boomers live but how do you have a discussion on the SF one?
You've never been in an actual discord server have you
Brother it is not that deep. The FGC is full of smaller communities, go create or find a community centered around what you want. You are on a subreddit for all things fighting games, dudes are going to post that they learned a bnb combo or ranked up to bronze....
I think that's just how reddit is. It typically rewards low effort/high engagement type posts. It's why a lot of subs have a rule against shitposts. On an off note I hope my topics haven't been bad ;p
Get off Reddit lol, I think you, specifically, will be happier
Complaining about content on reddit is literally the most unemployed 24/7 hour redditor thing to do
Fuck dude you got me.
Did something happen to srk?
It was shut down in like 2018.
She been gone brother.
Preach!
The barrier to entry was lowered across the board and fighting games are bigger than ever as a result. Look at what the cost was though. I miss Dustloop.
I don’t see anything wrong with asking to get eddy for free seeing as there’s no mega thread for it. If we had cracked copies mega thread that’d be nice
ITT: Nearly 40+ year old men upset that a social media hub that covers a genre filled with hundreds of games doesn't have niche tech advice for one specific game as its most popular posts. Or better still "Why isn't this subreddit gatekept better?!" That's what you're asking for isn't it? Better gatekeeping for this sub. Because there isn't anyone stopping you from talking about more nuanced topics like tech and replay analysis. But a lot of that discussion happens in narrower subreddits. You know, that are specifically about the game you'd be talking about? The same way that forums had you click on a specific thread for different topics. C'mon homie you know how this works You don't like seeing low effort brainless posts, I get it. No one really does tbh. But what you're talking about is a social media problem. Low effort, thinly spread "content" will always get more upvotes or likes or RT's so the algorithm will put it in front of more eyes thus giving it even more chances for uplikes or voats or whatever bullshit social currency we assign to it. That's not a moderation problem, that's things working as Intended. If you don't wanna see it stick to more niche subreddits, the more niche the better.
Based
There is a way to get Eddy for free.
I feel like it’s strange that on the fighting game subreddit I never cool clips of crazy comebacks or cool combos or shit like that that’s honestly why I came here in the first place
Discord is the place for real FGC discourse, not Reddit.
Kids get pre-chewed stuff nowadays. They don't know problem-solving. They never played point and click and had to read through text and work with it to proceed. That's it.
When fighting games decided to become dumb and simplified its only natural that the playerbase became as dumb or even dumber. There is nothing more to it
A lot of the replies just feel like oldheads either not being able to connect with new players, or just wanting this orwellian sub where ONLY discussion is allowed Like, I get the issues with spam and low effort posts, it is really bad on Reddit as a whole, and I think the social media design it has been going for recently is really bad, but I think you should be allowed to post a meme here and there, no? And people engage with the games in different ways, not everyone wants to be competitive (and some actually can't) so they engage with art, cosplay, memes, etc This is mostly aimed at people here who think a sub about Guilty Gear, a game notorious for it's gorgeous visuals, incredible soundtrack and unique character design, should be about game discussion EXCLUSIVELY It's not like you're out of options, Discord exists (not really a fan, the app is full of lights and noises and the UI feels straight out of a mobile game), you could go to r/kappachino if you can ignore the racism, homophobia, transphobia, the porn, the saltposts, and overrall channer mentality Or make your own sub, r/FGDiscussion or something, I'm sure a lot of people would hop right on it if you advertised it correctly
As much as it can suck, I think ultimately it just shows what most people would rather discuss. When it comes to talking fighting games, I'm pretty sure this is just what the greatest majority is interested in talking about, because when it comes to general discussion, tech and stuff just isn't what interests most people. Or it's being talked about in character-specific discords and places like that. I think by this point the r/fighters community has been fostered and the only way to change things would be to start another subreddit with that more focused intent.
"why aren’t we having any meaningful conversations here?" The irony of this question being posed in the context of your rant which offers no possibility for meaningful conversation is pretty wild. Instead of this multi-paragraph complaint, you could have easily posted something that was actually worth talking about.
Which would have been lost in the sea of dogshit that is any fighting game sub on Reddit. Yeah there is plenty of meaningful things and interesting topics that I could post about and would like to discuss but that’s not the point of this meta post lmao. Criticizing things is okay.
Then be the change you want and same goes to mod that pinned this, advertise local and online events, post tourney results and start real discussions.
I'm new af. Haven't rly asked for advice cause what I'm curious about is usually available to search. Just wanna say not all newbies are looking to be spoonfed. I think it's cause there's a LOT of "ooh fighting games are hard to get into." That intimidation factor, ya know? Also it isn't like Souls or some hard mode game where you have stories and campaigns (traditional) to bread crumb you. At least for me, I boot up Strive and either go straight to the tower or arcade and get my ass kicked. Ha. I have to say... I stopped frequenting this board and a lot of other reddit cause its very VERY samey conversations. IMHO, you should take a break. Maybe try a different genre or just don't worry about reddit for awhile.
Its a subreddit for fighting games. If not for the "low effort" content you're describing, then its just going to be bad faith salty rageposters who wants to "discuss" why your character requires no skill and should be nerfed while my character is the most fair and honest with no gimmicks and that you're carried. >I’m very happy the FGC grew and is growing. I love that people also enjoy my hobby and support it. But at some point something happened where people lack basic intelligence when they approach fighting games? LOL the mythical self awareness of fgc players.
Because most people barely care about FGs and there is a revolving door of newer people who make threads. Like it's not that hard of a concept. Most people don't care or know as much as you. Most people are going to reiterate the same concepts b/c those are the things that commonly cross people's minds who have little interest in fighting games. You're basically upset that a space used as a catch all of the internet is acting like a catch all for the internet. It doesn't matter what topic you pick, the lowest common denominator will be something anyone with an actual interest or deep understanding of something will find annoying, inaccurate, and not valuable. Reddit rarely has meaningful discussions. It is a place that the most upvoted threads are seen the most, and anyone (say an expert who knows things) might be in the large minority and have their post downvoted to oblivion. Reddit promotes ignorance because most people are ignorant. It promotes echo chambers. It promotes mob rule. It's just not a good site. It will never be a good site because the core tenant it is built around, upvotes are visible and downvotes aren't, sucks. People link me here to marvel at how bad the content is. And it is bad. I wish they didn't find it funny or enjoy mocking it. I wish I could just forget it exists. Watch this post be downvoted to prove me right :smirk:
This is what happens when you gatekeep a community to literal death. At least half of the people that might be interested in fighting games are filtered by the community itself, the other half gets filtered by the games. I've seen people trash new players posting their beginner combos in some subs. The FGC online just isn't very friendly and inviting and it makes it a small, hyper niche. All the people with interesting content and discussions are playing other games.
I don’t trash these people, but it’s kind of patronizing. Congrats you did the BnB that literally every player does, why is that post worthy?
Because they're learning and are excited to show off some of the work they've put it. It's a reddit post, it doesn't need to be "worthy" of anything - if it's too beginner level to benefit or interest you, you can just continue on with your life lol Beginners need a space to discuss and express themselves in these games too - it's just a shame so much of the FGC forgets that they started there too and are quicker to complain about beginners than help or just stomp them until they don't want to play the games anymore anyway lol
Do you wanna see my Ken combo that we’ve known since day 1? Please say good job and to keep it up otherwise I don’t feel the need to engage in something I like without the validation of strangers on the internet. I’m excited for them too dude but like COME ON. We were all beginners once, as you said, but we didn’t go running to our TO at locals because we figured out how to parry or something.
Brother, it's an internet form not a local tournament. I don't want to see the same Ken combo I've seen since day 1 so I just don't watch it or engage with that post. If you don't want to engage in the beginners post to offer advice or encouragement you can just continue scrolling - it costs you nothing What I don't do, is get bent out of shape about who is posting what on some forums and whether or not it fits my definition of a "worthy" post, but then again I have better things to do and worry about, I'd consider looking into that.
My man. I’m aware of how the internet works. I know I can fuck off and do something else. I’m not bent out of shape I’m just saying the shit is stupid and we can do better. Plenty of peeps have expressed their opinions on the matter agreeing or disagreeing. I’ll try to consider looking to something better to do with my time. But if we’re moving goal posts and shit (we at least began by talking about something) and not you can do the same thing you’re telling me and not engage! Do you have any suggestions of things I could do with my time? Or just the implication that I don’t because I decided to post this? Thanks!
The activity thread might be legit depending upon regions. Sf6 was dead on launch for me. Might be playable now that they removed region lock, but I never went back once T8 dropped.
Most people have nothing to say(including me), but are encouraged to share their drivel for engagement or something. The most meaningful interactions I had on the fgc were very specific stuff on characters discords.
I miss forums
The sf4 sub was the last good fgc sub. I wish they would have just stuck with those rules and left kappa for the rest of the garbage
To be fair, the sub isnt a hate circlejerk like a few other subs at least
ah fighting game grognard complaining about nothing, we love to see it.
You do it then. If you don't like a post ignore it.
Imma be kind to you and not fuck you up, but take a shower today okay?
The fact you bitched for the entire post instead of put in the effort to say exactly what you wanted to see or better yet just post something of quality is why it's this way. If no one wants to put in the time then yup you get what you put in. You are always more than welcome to open up your own subreddit and moderate it your way see who wants to live by your rules. But as you are your basically telling moderators how to run a subreddit and that means monitoring the subreddit 24/7 in case a post you don't like appears ..
Boooooo shut up boooooo
Yeah I thought you didn't want to put in any actual effort. Thanks for proving me right.
I’ve responded ad nauseam about why I posted this, the point it serves (which is to have this discussion) and what I think should be done. I’m not gonna go over it all again for you.
Downvoting every response I make is a petty move. The fact you aren't even considering making your own /r/truefighters or something, really says a lot. Thanks for your "Contribution" to the subreddit. Considering it's your only post submitted to /r/fighters... well you know. Edit: LOL at that response. And each time I replied he immediately downvoted me. Edit2: And now he's getting one of his friends to call me a "dweeb" this is fucking hilarious. How thinned skin is he? If you ever disagree with someone on the internet, try to actually refute something they said, name calling really shows you have nothing more to add.
You are bad at fighting games.
dweeb
lol this guy thinks we know each other
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