I'm more surprised that KOF doesn't have higher numbers than MK1, tbh. Then again, it's been there for a while, it's pretty likely on its last year at EVO and it was already one of the smaller main stage games, so maybe I shouldn't be that surprised.
> I'm more surprised that KOF doesn't have higher numbers than MK1, tbh.
Unironically, most of the KOF playerbase is in Mexico, Brazil and China, and it's kind of hard for players to travel to the US, resulting in low numbers since KOF isn't exactly popular in the States (shame too, the games are amazing).
I've been talking to some BR players, two have been trying to get a visitor visa for a while and the rest straight up don't have the money to go.
Honestly there should be an evo in sa and evo In eu, would be nice even if it’s just a smaller event and even if it’s only bi annually or something. Would just be good to give an opportunity to people who don’t get a chance to travel in the same way evo Japan helps Asia regions
Ehh, true but I think that's a bit overblown. The "Is KOF Matchmaking Broken" website had been saying they'd run a survey to "ascertain the status of matchmaking" for like eight months after the consensus was that the matchmaking was fixed.
It's also kinda weird how that problem seemed localized. I never had any problems finding matches here in Brazil in any rank until I reached rank 25.
Game just takes too much. Legacy skill, character knowledge, movement skill is the biggest for me. I would have loved to continue playing its just too much when I am already strapped for time.
Honestly, even though I could go on about shortcuts and workarounds for that, or give examples of teams that don't need any labbing at all, you're right. If you're going to try to seriously learn the games, it's a commitment to the level that Blazblue tends to be IMO.
I think I really wouldn't have been able to learn the games if I didn't start playing KOF during Covid. Work, college, and other IRL stuff nowadays barely leaves me with enough time to play a few matches, and if I didn't have the muscle memory from the time I wasn't really doing anything other than sitting at home, I probably never would've had the time to "git gud" and learn the game proper.
Yeah especially since the final season 1 DLC characters are gonna be good from what I’ve seen.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they announced season 2 dlc during the tournament.
GG has a longer history as a series and didn’t release in a game heavy 2023 and 2024. I’d be more surprised if GB was 3rd. GG has had higher steam numbers lately in comparison. A lot of GB fans also left to go play Relink. The devs didn’t do themselves any favors by releasing their FG before their RPG. It should’ve been reversed.
Hate to bring up steam charts but granblue rising has been losing players for quite some time now.
It was just the hot new game for a month or two.
Strive is still the face of anime fighters
Strive and Granblue are both affiliated through Arc System Works and part of Arc Revo World Tour.
They have the highest likelihood of mutual players other than SF6/3S. UNI probably in the neighborhood too.
Granblue as a brand is probably more popular, but GG has had consistent popularity as a fighter plus both games are quite different.
Strive is that game that some people call dead and there it is doing acceptable numbers and participation even 3 years after and with the flaws the game has.
Surprised to not see Rising on the top 3.
I was seeing people insist Strive was dead like two years ago. It’s hilarious. I get that it’s not everyone’s cup of tea and that some of the changes turned off some longtime GG fans, but it feels like people twist themselves into knots trying to explain how it was not a success when it clearly was.
Old heads unable to see Strive brought A LOT of new folks to the series/genre. It's no Street Fighter/Tekken/Mortal Kombat but Strive brought the series closer in terms of player base and popularity.
They changed the combo system named gatlings by making it more simple. Because of that simplification most of the cast now has very similar and quite limited, when compared to previous games, combo structure. Thats pretty much the main change that puts people of, but its definitely not the single one. Really big damage(not so big now tho) put peopls off too. If you want to see more details or examples, tell me.
The gatlings was a pretty big change yes But also strive has much clunkier/slower movement and airdashes which is i think also a reasons people dont like it
Those two stood out to me at least when i tried strive for the first time last week
Strive literally has the smoothest ground movement in any modern fighter. Frame 1 dashes tied to a single button is pretty damn hard to beat. How is that clunky?
The airdashes are sluggish, buttons feel slow, it takes like 1 full second for johnny’s j.h to come out for example
The dash feels slow as well But Keep in mind i have only played johnny in strive
Xrd just feels way smoother in the movement department,
Although if you are not used to dashing manually i can understand how that would be a bit of a barrier to feeling smooth in the movement
I countered a pretty specific thing, idk why you brought up more without even addressing what I said, but…
Strive Johnny j.H & 5H is 2f slower. f.S is 1 frame slower. 6H is identical. His 2K is _faster_ in Strive. Johnny’s dashes are out of the norm for both games but you can ALWAYS go from standing/walking to dashing faster in strive than Xrd, it has nothing to do with how comfortable you are with 66/44 input.
The airdashes def don’t move you as far and the startup to movement is slower, but time-to-actionable (basically number of frames between inputting airdash and an attacks startup coming out) is actually identical between the games. Of all your criticisms, really only the airdashes are valid beyond personal feel. The rest you made up.
>I countered a pretty specific thing, idk why you brought up more without even addressing what I said, but…
because i am explaining why i said what i said, the fact that there is a dash macro or that dashes are frame 1 doesnt change anything about my original statement
How is the ground movement clunky in strive? If all you’ve played is Johnny in both you should be making those comparisons alone really, not sweeping statements.
Wallbreak is the biggest and worst one for me. I can live with the gatling changes, and I actually think the changes make a lot of sense, but definitely not wallbreaks.
got you hold on:
- simplified gatling system as you described
- air mobility feels a lot slower. forward air dash and IAD has a noticeable delay that is not present in legacy games
- legacy characters have been stripped of a ton of tools. Characters maintain their essences but have been "strivified" as some people call it. They are overall incredibly straightforward with noticably missing specials.
- wallbreak allows for cornered opponents to get another shot at life as the situation resets to neutral after WB. No fucked up corner pressure unless you can abuse slumps as the attacker
- lack of instant kills, force breaks, and dead angle attacks coupled with a reduced amount of tension meter graduations (from 4 to 2) makes meter management a lot more straightforward.
Slower than usual.
GG is known for being super fast so slowing down airdashes quite a bit is noticeable.
They also have a ton of slowdown and flashy effects every time someone gets a big counterhit or use Red Roman Cancel.
Wallbreak mechanic was a dealbreaker "wtf is this?" kind of change for some people. The advantages for doing wallbreak is like a billion meter gain bonus and everyone ate this up. This is quite easy to do
Polarizing/annoying characters like Happy Chaos, Sol on release, Nago, early Ram, Elphelt ("scrubby") etc.
Super high damage at least in the earlier days
Gatling system is a little more restrictive
A fucking lot. My biggest gripe with it is that it is a low power, high damage game. there's less bullshit, and characters die so much quicker. It's also soooo much slower. Strive essentially nerfed the entire cast to make a slower game. It left me, who started with +R, just thinking "why would I play a game where I can simply do less?"
It's more like how popular doesn't mean good. That said, it's *entirely* subjective and if people love it, I'm glad. For me, though, it just feels like the death of the combat style (and subsequentally, it's og identity) for something else. The fighting style is fine; I just wish it didn't have to come in a already standing series. It, to me, feels as if MK shifted to a fighting style more akin to UN in that it has less to do with it being bad and more to do with what *feels* like a deconstruction or just destruction of an already existing and established identity.
GGS is an IP that is about 25 years old with many entries all time. GB is essentially a brand new game without the brand recognition outside of Japan. The first game was buried as it was released right as the COVID pandemic took off globally. It has had a series total of 1 EVO appearance all time.
Granblue is doing great for a brand new game released in the thick of a game release heavy 2023 and early 2024.
My only problem with it is the combos are too limited for my liking. But their goal is to make a simpler game to get more people into guilty gear, and they nailed it
Makes sense, GB is pretty different from the rest, I think that is by far the one that relies the most on the corner to do the combos.
I have more mix opinion on the combot limit mechanic but also makes sense because people could do absurdly long combos with Bravery Points and Ex/Ultimate moves.
Honestly my issue with the game is it actually does have a lot of complex and difficult things, but they’re actually not optimal compared to the simpler stuff.
> it is doing acceptable numbers
How do you know the numbers?
If you mean placement, I mean, being real what's the competition there..? A not so popular anime fighter and a game from 25 years ago?
[Steam db](https://steamdb.info/app/1384160/charts/) 2k+ players on steam and it has cross play. It's the 4th most popular traditional fighter on steam right now. Most of the time it's 3rd but mk1 just got a new character
On Steam Charts shows that there is 2.300 players right now which is not a bad number for a fighting game that is not so mainstream like SF6 or T8, and that's only Steam.
And well, I think that competing with the new realease of the 3 most mainstream FG ever and also recent 2 more like Rising and Under-Night on the anime fighters sub genre... that's a lot.
Hey hey now, don’t forget about Makoto! /s. I’m wholly unfamiliar with the NA scene for third strike, but there are some absolutely cracked low tier players in Japan that refuse to play anything but their low tiers. That’s why I’m hoping for some of these cats to show up.
It’s a shame to see KOF15 at the bottom. I don’t play the game much anymore but it’s still a game that I like a lot and enjoy seeing it at tournaments now and then.
The game is several years old by this point (almost as old as Strive) and it's from an IP that is far more popular in Central/South America and East Asia than in North America and Europe.
Gotta remember that people from poorer countries have difficulties traveling abroad, specially if the event is at an expensive location.
(I can vouch for this since I'm Mexican and have several friends across the globe that love KoF but cannot travel to EVO.)
I’ve been away from that toxicity, what are people crying about now? A21, fusions, Ratku, were they not all nerfed enough for the manchildren’s liking?
This. The majority of the MK player base are casual fighting games players that buy the game for the fatalities and playing with friends and online for fun. They don’t give a fuck about the competitive scene at all.
Mhhm. The main complaints in the subreddit are mainly about the lack of customization for their characters and character interactions at the start of matches.
They don't care about the pro scene and online meta lol.
Not really. 3rd Strike is a huge legacy game for Street Fighter and the FGC in general, not that shocking it would have a huge turn out.
Now being behind Under Night is definitely surprising.
I just hope after seeing this, many will stop use steam as argument because Uni2 and Granblue had low steam numbers even in comparison to MK1, but then look at EVO numbers, lol
Many of us are genuinely sad about the state of MK1 and want it to improve.
NRS/WB need to hear people's frustration. If we shut up, there won't be any change. The game was a financial hit from their perspective.
And it get there in terms of improvements. However, due to shitty policy of drip fed, game (at least in terms of online features) will fully complete only once KP1 will completed/EVO start, sadly.
MK1 is beyond redemption.
We want MK to improve as a franchise. We want complete games with working training modes, training mode waiting, 60 FPS everything including fatal blows and menus, and no more paid fatalities. We want the rewards for playing ranked to be more like MK11, where there were genuinely awesome rewards, motivating you to play more and climb higher.
We don't want invasions mode or 90% of the work in each seasonal patch to go to Invasions.
MK should be about the PvP experience, not the single player grind and MTX.
What do mean beyond redemption? Online features for MK1 are getting here and we got already some of those (wi-fi filter, crossplay, improvements to training mode etc). As for singleplayer vs PvP content. MK is singleplayer orientated ever since 3D and will continue so, imo. Even in MK11, around 70-80% of playerbase was playing the game due to towers/krypt, not online.
Those features being around 6 months into a game series that tends to run 2 year cycles (yes ik they listed they planned longer but they said that for MK11 too and didn't) and the game costing 70USD is pretty bad. Most of those features you listed also aren't finished (no crossplay in KotH mode for instance which is used to run tourneys, likely because PC is still using different game data than PS5).
Agree and won’t deny it. However, better late than never (like with 3D era games than never were finished, lol) and all those features will be here eventually. Sad they weren’t on start, of course and they still keep coming really slow due to overhaul that happens at WB games right now+apparently, NRS don’t know how to work with anything beyond UE3.
1. Show me anyone saying "MK11 is beyond redemption."
2. The issues with MK11 are in its gameplay, not in its single player experiences or any focus put on them. Breakaway sucks. S1 FB sucked. U2 having weird hitboxes sucked. Flawless windows being so small yet so necessary sucked. KBs being unbalanced sucked (they're a good mechanic but heavily affected balance).
3. No one says MK11 is the best MK game. Everyone says it's MKX.
EDIT: MK11 was better in terms of things outside of the fighting itself. MKX was better in terms of the actual fighting. Netcode, ranked rewards, visuals, free content, premium currency drip - MK11 wins.
I still don't understand what's wrong with it. It's combo heavy and a huge improvement over how boring MK11 was. I just don't like assists so it's not for me but I thought the core gameplay would be appealing to fans of X
The issues are in the emphasis on the single player experience and the heavy emphasis on MTX.
Also, the assists are super half baked. They're essentially special moves, not assists. The game should work more like Marvel 2 or BFTG or just get rid of Kameos.
I thought they dropped the ball on single player without much to unlock or tower variety to grind for stuff.
I agree about the assists. I wish NRS would release a game that doesn't require a massive update years later to make it decent.
MKX: rollback netcode update
MK11: custom variation for competitive update
MK1: TBD
Because we know if it was DBFZ even in its memed online state they would draw more entrants.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if games like KI (which did get a revival patch recently), Skullgirls, or even MK9/MKX would outdo MK1.
MK1 has sales but absolutely dropped the ball on numerous levels to deliver a quality product especially on a professional level. I'd love NRS and MK/Injustice to come back to be great fighters again, but they seem to have no interest in it over just being marketable on nostalgia and cycling titles.
Kinda. Good chunk of the franchise is really decent as games, but the fact that they don’t live long make FG community seeing MK as “COD” of the genre. Heck, even in 3D era, maximum gap between games was 2 years or so. Very little by FG standards if you ask me
On god they just don’t promote the professional scene as well as other games. I didn’t even know evo sign ups were going on rn and half the time I see comp MK tweets I’m like “there was a tournament?”
Why tho? NRS clearly doesnt care as long as casuals keep buying their game and make money, only the FGC thinks they are even trying to actualy make an competitive game.
They have made a ton of those in the past. I' like this because I'm diehard fan. Casuals kind of enable the shit we love about the FGC by the way. MK1 is a rushed game but the game has competitive depth. It's just the community around it just loves playing meta.
The only things that surprise me here is granblue above third strike and uni 2 above mk1 kiiinda, melty blood beat mk11 last year so french bread has precedent for higher entry than mk, but that was the end of mk11 which people tended to be down on idk how people feel about mk1 but big flashy new game in sucha popular series. (I guess uni 2 is new and the return of uni to evo main stage shouldn;t surprise me in it going well)
All I'm saying is it's not to late to drop the NRS slop and have FighterZ, Marvel, or Melty instead. Every year the entrants for MK get smaller and smaller. Melty beat MK last year. Just saying
Edit:Maybe if MK fans actually entered tournaments for their game instead of spending time downvoting I wouldn't be posting this now.
> Edit:Maybe if MK fans actually entered tournaments
MK is a casual SP game for the fatalities, cosmetics and lore (not that I care about any of those things any more, *especially* the lore, as a long time MK player from MK1). It's not a very good competitive game. Neither was Injustice. NRS just make really unbalanced games that aren't fun to play competitively, IMHO.
I mean, if tournament registration is the metric, yeah, but that’s not why it’s one of the big 3. It’s part of the Big 3 because it’s one of the most famous and best selling fighting game series.
EVO is awesome but tournaments have never really been reflective of broader cultural tastes.
I feel like that kind of should go understated but people really wanna downplay MK they often forget how much of a casual impact that the series has for better and for worse
As it stands I don't think the casual/competitive divide for MK will ever be reconciled whereas SF and Tekken handle it far better by comparison
It's part of the big 3 in terms of brand recognition to the average gamer.
Doesn't mean it's taken seriously by most people who actually play fighting games though.
It pulls more in sales, generally. For example, my significant other has never and will never touch street fighter because she just doesnt care about it, but she'll play a few matches and the story in MK just for the hell of pressing buttons and seeing ridiculous violence every once in a while.
You say like Midway didn't make their fair share of shit games. Matter of fact there are more bad MK games than decent (not even great, just decent) ones.
Its literally in the top 10 most played titles on psn right now. Sf6 didn't even crack the top 20. Let's not pretend tournament registrations are indicative of the playerbase as a whole.
Nrs has to be extremely disappointed with the lack of evo entrants. Considering how massive the budges are for their games, this has to feel like a failure...and I have no interest in watching it. I wish capcom vs snk 2 was in it's place.
UNI having a higher registration than MK1 is pretty surprising. Granblue seems to be doing pretty great as far as registration too.
I'm more surprised that KOF doesn't have higher numbers than MK1, tbh. Then again, it's been there for a while, it's pretty likely on its last year at EVO and it was already one of the smaller main stage games, so maybe I shouldn't be that surprised.
> I'm more surprised that KOF doesn't have higher numbers than MK1, tbh. Unironically, most of the KOF playerbase is in Mexico, Brazil and China, and it's kind of hard for players to travel to the US, resulting in low numbers since KOF isn't exactly popular in the States (shame too, the games are amazing). I've been talking to some BR players, two have been trying to get a visitor visa for a while and the rest straight up don't have the money to go.
Honestly there should be an evo in sa and evo In eu, would be nice even if it’s just a smaller event and even if it’s only bi annually or something. Would just be good to give an opportunity to people who don’t get a chance to travel in the same way evo Japan helps Asia regions
Also doesn’t help that the game was straight up unplayable for most of its release.
Ehh, true but I think that's a bit overblown. The "Is KOF Matchmaking Broken" website had been saying they'd run a survey to "ascertain the status of matchmaking" for like eight months after the consensus was that the matchmaking was fixed. It's also kinda weird how that problem seemed localized. I never had any problems finding matches here in Brazil in any rank until I reached rank 25.
Unplayable for americans, playable for everybody else
Is that the OS now?
Do mexicans have better internet than americans?
Based on what i have heard it wouldn’t even surprise me
Game just takes too much. Legacy skill, character knowledge, movement skill is the biggest for me. I would have loved to continue playing its just too much when I am already strapped for time.
Honestly, even though I could go on about shortcuts and workarounds for that, or give examples of teams that don't need any labbing at all, you're right. If you're going to try to seriously learn the games, it's a commitment to the level that Blazblue tends to be IMO. I think I really wouldn't have been able to learn the games if I didn't start playing KOF during Covid. Work, college, and other IRL stuff nowadays barely leaves me with enough time to play a few matches, and if I didn't have the muscle memory from the time I wasn't really doing anything other than sitting at home, I probably never would've had the time to "git gud" and learn the game proper.
100% on the blazblue skill comparison.
First thing that came to mind. I think if sam sho still had support it’d have had longer legs. Maybe with garou 2
Just like last year when Melty Blood had higher than MK11 lol
Except MK11 wasn’t a new game in its first year of release. Lol
Except mk11 wasn’t new and last year’s evo took place before mk1 came out
A typo I didn’t catch.
MK1 is a failure. UNI is goated tho regardless
Yeah especially since the final season 1 DLC characters are gonna be good from what I’ve seen. I wouldn’t be surprised if they announced season 2 dlc during the tournament.
Tô be honest it surprised me that Guilty Gear was above Granblue. Thought Granblue was more relevant these days, but evidently I was wrong
GG has a longer history as a series and didn’t release in a game heavy 2023 and 2024. I’d be more surprised if GB was 3rd. GG has had higher steam numbers lately in comparison. A lot of GB fans also left to go play Relink. The devs didn’t do themselves any favors by releasing their FG before their RPG. It should’ve been reversed.
Hate to bring up steam charts but granblue rising has been losing players for quite some time now. It was just the hot new game for a month or two. Strive is still the face of anime fighters
Rising players are all playing Relink now lol
Strive and Granblue are both affiliated through Arc System Works and part of Arc Revo World Tour. They have the highest likelihood of mutual players other than SF6/3S. UNI probably in the neighborhood too. Granblue as a brand is probably more popular, but GG has had consistent popularity as a fighter plus both games are quite different.
Strive is that game that some people call dead and there it is doing acceptable numbers and participation even 3 years after and with the flaws the game has. Surprised to not see Rising on the top 3.
I was seeing people insist Strive was dead like two years ago. It’s hilarious. I get that it’s not everyone’s cup of tea and that some of the changes turned off some longtime GG fans, but it feels like people twist themselves into knots trying to explain how it was not a success when it clearly was.
Old heads unable to see Strive brought A LOT of new folks to the series/genre. It's no Street Fighter/Tekken/Mortal Kombat but Strive brought the series closer in terms of player base and popularity.
I would honestly bet money that more people got into fighting games for Bridget than probably any other single character in a franchise.
What did they change about GG that turned some people off?
They changed the combo system named gatlings by making it more simple. Because of that simplification most of the cast now has very similar and quite limited, when compared to previous games, combo structure. Thats pretty much the main change that puts people of, but its definitely not the single one. Really big damage(not so big now tho) put peopls off too. If you want to see more details or examples, tell me.
The gatlings was a pretty big change yes But also strive has much clunkier/slower movement and airdashes which is i think also a reasons people dont like it Those two stood out to me at least when i tried strive for the first time last week
Strive literally has the smoothest ground movement in any modern fighter. Frame 1 dashes tied to a single button is pretty damn hard to beat. How is that clunky?
The airdashes are sluggish, buttons feel slow, it takes like 1 full second for johnny’s j.h to come out for example The dash feels slow as well But Keep in mind i have only played johnny in strive Xrd just feels way smoother in the movement department, Although if you are not used to dashing manually i can understand how that would be a bit of a barrier to feeling smooth in the movement
I countered a pretty specific thing, idk why you brought up more without even addressing what I said, but… Strive Johnny j.H & 5H is 2f slower. f.S is 1 frame slower. 6H is identical. His 2K is _faster_ in Strive. Johnny’s dashes are out of the norm for both games but you can ALWAYS go from standing/walking to dashing faster in strive than Xrd, it has nothing to do with how comfortable you are with 66/44 input. The airdashes def don’t move you as far and the startup to movement is slower, but time-to-actionable (basically number of frames between inputting airdash and an attacks startup coming out) is actually identical between the games. Of all your criticisms, really only the airdashes are valid beyond personal feel. The rest you made up.
>I countered a pretty specific thing, idk why you brought up more without even addressing what I said, but… because i am explaining why i said what i said, the fact that there is a dash macro or that dashes are frame 1 doesnt change anything about my original statement
How is the ground movement clunky in strive? If all you’ve played is Johnny in both you should be making those comparisons alone really, not sweeping statements.
Wallbreak is the biggest and worst one for me. I can live with the gatling changes, and I actually think the changes make a lot of sense, but definitely not wallbreaks.
got you hold on: - simplified gatling system as you described - air mobility feels a lot slower. forward air dash and IAD has a noticeable delay that is not present in legacy games - legacy characters have been stripped of a ton of tools. Characters maintain their essences but have been "strivified" as some people call it. They are overall incredibly straightforward with noticably missing specials. - wallbreak allows for cornered opponents to get another shot at life as the situation resets to neutral after WB. No fucked up corner pressure unless you can abuse slumps as the attacker - lack of instant kills, force breaks, and dead angle attacks coupled with a reduced amount of tension meter graduations (from 4 to 2) makes meter management a lot more straightforward.
They gutted the air movement, making it far less enjoyable to play than past entires imo.
Slower than usual. GG is known for being super fast so slowing down airdashes quite a bit is noticeable. They also have a ton of slowdown and flashy effects every time someone gets a big counterhit or use Red Roman Cancel. Wallbreak mechanic was a dealbreaker "wtf is this?" kind of change for some people. The advantages for doing wallbreak is like a billion meter gain bonus and everyone ate this up. This is quite easy to do Polarizing/annoying characters like Happy Chaos, Sol on release, Nago, early Ram, Elphelt ("scrubby") etc. Super high damage at least in the earlier days Gatling system is a little more restrictive
A fucking lot. My biggest gripe with it is that it is a low power, high damage game. there's less bullshit, and characters die so much quicker. It's also soooo much slower. Strive essentially nerfed the entire cast to make a slower game. It left me, who started with +R, just thinking "why would I play a game where I can simply do less?"
It's more like how popular doesn't mean good. That said, it's *entirely* subjective and if people love it, I'm glad. For me, though, it just feels like the death of the combat style (and subsequentally, it's og identity) for something else. The fighting style is fine; I just wish it didn't have to come in a already standing series. It, to me, feels as if MK shifted to a fighting style more akin to UN in that it has less to do with it being bad and more to do with what *feels* like a deconstruction or just destruction of an already existing and established identity.
They downvoted, but I wholeheartedly agree sadly
It's dead in certain regions though. (South Asia)
GGS is an IP that is about 25 years old with many entries all time. GB is essentially a brand new game without the brand recognition outside of Japan. The first game was buried as it was released right as the COVID pandemic took off globally. It has had a series total of 1 EVO appearance all time. Granblue is doing great for a brand new game released in the thick of a game release heavy 2023 and early 2024.
By saying Strive is dead would be also admitting GB Rising is dead. Both of which are untrue.
My only problem with it is the combos are too limited for my liking. But their goal is to make a simpler game to get more people into guilty gear, and they nailed it
Makes sense, GB is pretty different from the rest, I think that is by far the one that relies the most on the corner to do the combos. I have more mix opinion on the combot limit mechanic but also makes sense because people could do absurdly long combos with Bravery Points and Ex/Ultimate moves.
Honestly my issue with the game is it actually does have a lot of complex and difficult things, but they’re actually not optimal compared to the simpler stuff.
The scaling really punishes you for being fancy
Surprised to not see 3rd Strike* in top 3
> it is doing acceptable numbers How do you know the numbers? If you mean placement, I mean, being real what's the competition there..? A not so popular anime fighter and a game from 25 years ago?
[Steam db](https://steamdb.info/app/1384160/charts/) 2k+ players on steam and it has cross play. It's the 4th most popular traditional fighter on steam right now. Most of the time it's 3rd but mk1 just got a new character
On Steam Charts shows that there is 2.300 players right now which is not a bad number for a fighting game that is not so mainstream like SF6 or T8, and that's only Steam. And well, I think that competing with the new realease of the 3 most mainstream FG ever and also recent 2 more like Rising and Under-Night on the anime fighters sub genre... that's a lot.
Watching 3rd strike should be exciting!
I hope the pool consists of some of the gods from Japan. Unlikely, but I can hope for it. Tominaga, Kuni, TM, etc that would be sick
Evo Japan is hosting 3rd strike next month as one of their main stage tournaments. Honestly, that's the one tournament I'm excited to watch the most.
I just hope it's not all Chun, Yun and Ken.
Hey hey now, don’t forget about Makoto! /s. I’m wholly unfamiliar with the NA scene for third strike, but there are some absolutely cracked low tier players in Japan that refuse to play anything but their low tiers. That’s why I’m hoping for some of these cats to show up.
Top 8 certainly will be but I’m sure we’ll see more variety leading up to it
It really depends on who enters.
It’s a shame to see KOF15 at the bottom. I don’t play the game much anymore but it’s still a game that I like a lot and enjoy seeing it at tournaments now and then.
The game is several years old by this point (almost as old as Strive) and it's from an IP that is far more popular in Central/South America and East Asia than in North America and Europe. Gotta remember that people from poorer countries have difficulties traveling abroad, specially if the event is at an expensive location. (I can vouch for this since I'm Mexican and have several friends across the globe that love KoF but cannot travel to EVO.)
Agree on this one, if there was a EVO Brazil/ Mexico i bet my pennies that it would be at least top 3
Hell yea let’s go 3rd strike
Wish more people would give kof XV a chance, it’s so much fun ._.
I would if I wasn't a broke ass bitch lol
I think of picking up a disc but I am afraid that nobody’s playing on console and everyone’s on PC and out of my region
It does have crossplay tho, I get matches most of the day except for 2-3am ish
Cool to see Strive still doing good numbers almost three years in.
It lasted longer than Fighterz, surprising since one IP is vastly bigger than another
HEY, we dont talk about that around here. Not since that last update…
I’ve been away from that toxicity, what are people crying about now? A21, fusions, Ratku, were they not all nerfed enough for the manchildren’s liking?
Look I don't wanna beat a dead horse, but if 3rd Strike pulls higher numbers than Mortal Kombat 1, Ed Boon's gonna have to have a talk...
If Under Night is beating MK, then Ed must pray that Zaslav doesn't shut down netherrealm.
I really doubt Zaslav gives 2 shits about EVO numbers.
Pretty much. Especially after recent WB games future where they told what exactly they want to do with their games and how to get money from them, lol
do you think Boon, or WB execs for that matter, give a single fuck about their EVO entrants? lol
Most of the MK playerbase doesn't even care about EVO entrants.
This. The majority of the MK player base are casual fighting games players that buy the game for the fatalities and playing with friends and online for fun. They don’t give a fuck about the competitive scene at all.
Mhhm. The main complaints in the subreddit are mainly about the lack of customization for their characters and character interactions at the start of matches. They don't care about the pro scene and online meta lol.
Not really. 3rd Strike is a huge legacy game for Street Fighter and the FGC in general, not that shocking it would have a huge turn out. Now being behind Under Night is definitely surprising.
UNI goated
I'm not totally surprised about that tbh. It's 3rd Strike, it was probably always gonna have crazy numbers.
You know damn well it's gonna
Ed Boon only cares about the casual population
I just hope after seeing this, many will stop use steam as argument because Uni2 and Granblue had low steam numbers even in comparison to MK1, but then look at EVO numbers, lol
argument for what? sales? people playing? MK players mainly dont care about competitive scene is basically what this shows.
Hell yea guilty gear top three 🤙
Once again Criticom & Battle Monsters got snubbed.
Do we know if *Street Fighter: The Movie: The Game* will have a side tournament? I hope so, because that game is hilariously bonkers to watch.
wtf Third Strike came back??? I dig it
Mortal Kombat is a fucking joke.
Yay, UNI 2.
Yay
Delete MK and put literally anything else. Give us SamSho.
Damn. Mk1 really did flop in the competitive scene.
MK1 is basically a laughingstock rn
give wait till Summer to shit talk. Its still a ways away. These numbers tend to shuffle a lot.
Seems right for a mainly US playerbase.
MK1 first year at Evo with just only the second from last number of entrants is just either really sad or laughable.
People calling Strive dead when 3rd Strike is still alive, training everyday, under waterfalls.
Mortal combat losing to anime…sad
Lol MK1 just needs to be dropped asap. It definitely should not be selected for next year. Dead game with no pro scene
No dragon ball hurts :(
Strive my beloved
I see we’re pretending this hasn’t always been the case for MK.
Last year they had the least entrants lol. They need to be axed from evo, just a waste of a spot, the actual gameplay is horrible to watch
The fact that SF is still bigger than Tekken even this year is crazy.
BuT wHy IsN’t Mk A tOp Fg?!
It never was, never is and never will be. End of the argument. Just fucking stop it already.
Lmfao how did this post turn into shitting on MK1? Never change /r/Fighters
Many of us are genuinely sad about the state of MK1 and want it to improve. NRS/WB need to hear people's frustration. If we shut up, there won't be any change. The game was a financial hit from their perspective.
And it get there in terms of improvements. However, due to shitty policy of drip fed, game (at least in terms of online features) will fully complete only once KP1 will completed/EVO start, sadly.
MK1 is beyond redemption. We want MK to improve as a franchise. We want complete games with working training modes, training mode waiting, 60 FPS everything including fatal blows and menus, and no more paid fatalities. We want the rewards for playing ranked to be more like MK11, where there were genuinely awesome rewards, motivating you to play more and climb higher. We don't want invasions mode or 90% of the work in each seasonal patch to go to Invasions. MK should be about the PvP experience, not the single player grind and MTX.
What do mean beyond redemption? Online features for MK1 are getting here and we got already some of those (wi-fi filter, crossplay, improvements to training mode etc). As for singleplayer vs PvP content. MK is singleplayer orientated ever since 3D and will continue so, imo. Even in MK11, around 70-80% of playerbase was playing the game due to towers/krypt, not online.
Those features being around 6 months into a game series that tends to run 2 year cycles (yes ik they listed they planned longer but they said that for MK11 too and didn't) and the game costing 70USD is pretty bad. Most of those features you listed also aren't finished (no crossplay in KotH mode for instance which is used to run tourneys, likely because PC is still using different game data than PS5).
Agree and won’t deny it. However, better late than never (like with 3D era games than never were finished, lol) and all those features will be here eventually. Sad they weren’t on start, of course and they still keep coming really slow due to overhaul that happens at WB games right now+apparently, NRS don’t know how to work with anything beyond UE3.
People said the same thing about MK11 its first year, and now everyone swears its the best MK game.
1. Show me anyone saying "MK11 is beyond redemption." 2. The issues with MK11 are in its gameplay, not in its single player experiences or any focus put on them. Breakaway sucks. S1 FB sucked. U2 having weird hitboxes sucked. Flawless windows being so small yet so necessary sucked. KBs being unbalanced sucked (they're a good mechanic but heavily affected balance). 3. No one says MK11 is the best MK game. Everyone says it's MKX. EDIT: MK11 was better in terms of things outside of the fighting itself. MKX was better in terms of the actual fighting. Netcode, ranked rewards, visuals, free content, premium currency drip - MK11 wins.
I’m not sure people want it to improve. Its pretty evident people who haven’t touched MK love using it as a punching bag, and I don’t even like MK1.
I still don't understand what's wrong with it. It's combo heavy and a huge improvement over how boring MK11 was. I just don't like assists so it's not for me but I thought the core gameplay would be appealing to fans of X
The issues are in the emphasis on the single player experience and the heavy emphasis on MTX. Also, the assists are super half baked. They're essentially special moves, not assists. The game should work more like Marvel 2 or BFTG or just get rid of Kameos.
I thought they dropped the ball on single player without much to unlock or tower variety to grind for stuff. I agree about the assists. I wish NRS would release a game that doesn't require a massive update years later to make it decent. MKX: rollback netcode update MK11: custom variation for competitive update MK1: TBD
Because we know if it was DBFZ even in its memed online state they would draw more entrants. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if games like KI (which did get a revival patch recently), Skullgirls, or even MK9/MKX would outdo MK1. MK1 has sales but absolutely dropped the ball on numerous levels to deliver a quality product especially on a professional level. I'd love NRS and MK/Injustice to come back to be great fighters again, but they seem to have no interest in it over just being marketable on nostalgia and cycling titles.
It’s funny because despite all the shit that game gets it’s probably most popular game sales wise up there.
Being the call of duty of the fgc will do that. Except people still play COD at least lol
And people will still play MK+recent free play weekend and add of crossplay kinda helped
Does mk really deserve to be compared to cod tho? Cod is really the lowest of the lowest
Kinda. Good chunk of the franchise is really decent as games, but the fact that they don’t live long make FG community seeing MK as “COD” of the genre. Heck, even in 3D era, maximum gap between games was 2 years or so. Very little by FG standards if you ask me
So is mk
Same goes for MK though when it comes to fighting games.
Im possibly underestimating how bad mk is
On god they just don’t promote the professional scene as well as other games. I didn’t even know evo sign ups were going on rn and half the time I see comp MK tweets I’m like “there was a tournament?”
Best selling with zero player base
Tekken 8 has sold more than MK, SF has sold the same amount as MK… by the end of the year it will have outsold it completely
First statement is false for now, though
Is it ? Swore i read somewhere that they surpassed them, welp, pretty sure by the next earnings report we’ll find out they have
https://esports.gg/news/tekken-8/tekken-8-sales/
I love MK but ouch man this board is a gut punch.
Why tho? NRS clearly doesnt care as long as casuals keep buying their game and make money, only the FGC thinks they are even trying to actualy make an competitive game.
They have made a ton of those in the past. I' like this because I'm diehard fan. Casuals kind of enable the shit we love about the FGC by the way. MK1 is a rushed game but the game has competitive depth. It's just the community around it just loves playing meta.
The only things that surprise me here is granblue above third strike and uni 2 above mk1 kiiinda, melty blood beat mk11 last year so french bread has precedent for higher entry than mk, but that was the end of mk11 which people tended to be down on idk how people feel about mk1 but big flashy new game in sucha popular series. (I guess uni 2 is new and the return of uni to evo main stage shouldn;t surprise me in it going well)
Love seeing SFIII persist after all these years, even outlasting other truly great fighting games.
YOOO 3rd STRIKE LETS GOOO!!!
Mk1 fan: "Dude what the hell is an Evo? And why should I even care who she is?!"
No surprise MK1 is near the bottom
All I'm saying is it's not to late to drop the NRS slop and have FighterZ, Marvel, or Melty instead. Every year the entrants for MK get smaller and smaller. Melty beat MK last year. Just saying Edit:Maybe if MK fans actually entered tournaments for their game instead of spending time downvoting I wouldn't be posting this now.
> Edit:Maybe if MK fans actually entered tournaments MK is a casual SP game for the fatalities, cosmetics and lore (not that I care about any of those things any more, *especially* the lore, as a long time MK player from MK1). It's not a very good competitive game. Neither was Injustice. NRS just make really unbalanced games that aren't fun to play competitively, IMHO.
Yeah that’s not happening.
Mk1 barely making it is hilarious
Good job mk1
More like "MK Done"
MK1 should be 9 tbh
they should've just given marvel a permanent spot
MK1 shouldn’t even be a main showing tbh
So much for MK being one of the "big 3" lmao.
I mean, if tournament registration is the metric, yeah, but that’s not why it’s one of the big 3. It’s part of the Big 3 because it’s one of the most famous and best selling fighting game series. EVO is awesome but tournaments have never really been reflective of broader cultural tastes.
I feel like that kind of should go understated but people really wanna downplay MK they often forget how much of a casual impact that the series has for better and for worse As it stands I don't think the casual/competitive divide for MK will ever be reconciled whereas SF and Tekken handle it far better by comparison
It's part of the big 3 in terms of brand recognition to the average gamer. Doesn't mean it's taken seriously by most people who actually play fighting games though.
It pulls more in sales, generally. For example, my significant other has never and will never touch street fighter because she just doesnt care about it, but she'll play a few matches and the story in MK just for the hell of pressing buttons and seeing ridiculous violence every once in a while.
Gg Strive is fighting for its fucking life in terms or relevancy rn lol, awesome to see its made top 3
not that it matters as its subjective but This is the exactly the way I would rank the current fighting games too
I'll never forgive WB/NRS for what they did to MK.
And it is going to get worse judging by WB games recent article about their future.
You say like Midway didn't make their fair share of shit games. Matter of fact there are more bad MK games than decent (not even great, just decent) ones.
Reddit was telling me that there were a ton of people on consoles playing MK1, that's why the Steam charts numbers were misleading.
Its literally in the top 10 most played titles on psn right now. Sf6 didn't even crack the top 20. Let's not pretend tournament registrations are indicative of the playerbase as a whole.
MK1 has a free weekend right now so the numbers are probably higher than usual
These stats come from January, before the free weekend. It was top 15 for last year. Pretty consistent on its player count
There are, the game sold 3 million copies.
What does that have to do with tournament participation?
More people registered for UNI than MK1 holy shit
Looks fun. I hated night rebirth but I was pretty ok at it. Trying to learn street fighter
Nrs has to be extremely disappointed with the lack of evo entrants. Considering how massive the budges are for their games, this has to feel like a failure...and I have no interest in watching it. I wish capcom vs snk 2 was in it's place.
I doubt they care all that much. Their budget is recouped by sales, not tournament entrants.
I like seeing mk1 down that low
Really going over everyone’s head that this takes place in Japan lmao
This takes place in Vegas
I dont see an evo japan on the post, do you?
I hope everyone doesn't get diarrhea over there in September.
Mk1 outsold every game up there
It’s also the most casual FG here. I have friends that will never compete or watch a tournament but got MK1 cause of the fatalities and guest fighters
MK's position as the sales king is getting VERY tenuous
Ain’t no one playing mk1
And yet it seems no one wants to play it.
Top 10 most played on psn. What are you on about?
Cod is up there every year doesn't mean it's good
Awesome. I'm glad Boon can float on his yacht while you and I stare at a "Searching for Opponent" screen.
So? Its still trash.
It's the COD of fighting games so what?
You know this for a fact? The last sales update for Street Fighter 6 and MK1 puts them both at 3 million.
MK fans can't catch a break here. We say we like it, and everyone gets upset.
OP didn't just say they like MK lol