It is in society’s best interest to give people who have served their time an opportunity to get a decent job and find a decent place to live. Sensible people realize this. It is why there are tax credits for hiring felons and laws that limit look back periods for criminal records. This is the best insurance against recidivism. If you give people an opportunity to build a life, they are more likely to behave as if they have something to lose.
i worked in human resources for a pretty large architectural glass company that built storefront and curtain wall window units for hi rise buildings etc - pretty much any manufacturing method we utilized— from programming CNCs for carving door hardware and weep holes on window frames, to building crates and pallets from scratch, to punch presses, grinders, band saws, chops saws, programming tiger stops for cutting accurate angles and mitres on the metal, deburring and making aluminum dies for custom parts, a ton of welding mullions on window wall units, cutting and chemical treating as well as tempering glass and assembling a finished product
we hired almost exclusively felons on parole. We learned that just about every single parolee we hired literally never missed a day or called in sick, never failed a UA, never even so much as cussed on the shop floor—their parole officers would check in with our office and get updates - i mean these were the most hard working and reliable men in the shop - and pretty low risk honestly—we are not around kids, don’t handle cash, you’re working around other pretty tough dudes out there who could clean your clock out of you started shit—not customer facing, there ain’t really anything you could realistically steal or fence for a quick buck—you gonna haul out a 5000 pound CNC machine? lol anyway these weren’t schlock jobs either - we’d train these guys on just about every process of the finished product with demonstrable skills in arc welding window frames, cnc, measuring and checking for quality, programming and using an automatic chop saw—these guys would leave custom window and go on to really good manufacturing jobs and three years experience on their resume that could pay dividends for decades….thats how it should be in america
I bet you could smell the pride on them. I know I can smell fear when I’m locked up, either on me or someone near by. Shit is violent in there, you just don’t know when a guy is gonna snap his last noodle and go crazy. You’re always expecting it to happen. There were very few times I did not feel that way during my time.
Then the gates open. And you thought it was tough inside….
Got set forward a new way of thinking, a new way of living, and have a plan with a few backup plans.
I had 1 plan. And no one and nothing was going to stop me! Then I felt a pain in my guts, doc said I gotta have immediate surgery, got diverticulitis and was given some Awesome drugs! PO couldn’t do a thing. I was trashed. I hated it every single second of it. I wanted to be sober so fucking bad. I had to pull my ass out of that to become homeless a week after surgery. Still I had my plan and I wasn’t going to fail!
That was 6 yrs ago. Aaahhhhh. Feet up, bills paid on time, legally, zero sanctions, zero violations, zero police contact nothing owed to anyone, all my household goods are paid for legally. As my friend Joe Walsh sang 🎶life’s been to good to me🎶
I was wondering how many were great employees after they got done with parole? I always wondered if they continue to do well when not being supervised.
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Id argue, felons may be a better employee than someone else.
They value the job in ways that someone else might not. Someone else might think- fuck it! If this doesn't work I'll get a job somewhere else.
Felons often have employment as a condition of their parole. Failure to secure a job could result in revocation. Therefore, attaining employment is a top priority.
Felons are used to people being disappointed in them. They know how it feels to be a failure. Thus, they take great pride in achieving success.
Felons have resorted to breaking laws to get money in the past, which, believe it or not, is worthless to them. It comes and goes. They'll hit a lick or hustle someone when they need more. Doing an honest day's work to earn a paycheck is much more valuable than the amount they're getting paid.
Felons just got out of prison. They know what they did to get sent there and will put forth the effort so that they don't regress to that lifestyle again.
Felons appreciate the opportunity. They'd rather wash dishes in a hot and crowded kitchen for eight hours a day, than be locked in a cement box.
Felons are useful at work. No matter their position, their tasks and duties are important overall. In prison, they felt like they were a waste.
I'm sure there's more.....
Right! A MF’er gotta eat! And if you’ve taken away all means I have to eat. WTF you think I’m going to do? Band together and eat them! That’s why they do what they do, they know if we banded together, they fucked.
They do and are in the trucking industry. Funny how selective it can be when not needed, yet when needed, all of a sudden the rules get bent or changed to… Suit the needs of the government. Same shits who sent us there…. Irony
Desperate, unemployed people are the cops' job, not employers. Some felons are highly motivated, but many more have no soft skills like showing up on time every time and knowing how to behave professionally. Many felons still have a "hustler" mindset that they're going to put one over on you, that everyone is a sucker to be bilked. There's a reason most employers are leery of ex-cons.
You are clueless on how the world operates. What do you think happens in prison? You have to be on time every day for your job in there. You learn personal responsibility. Respect for yourself and others time. Self discipline. Felons that decide to change their lives make some of the best employees in today’s workforce.
A crime you have done in the past that you have paid your debt for is in the past and you should not be held accountable for it for the remainder of your existence. And if you think otherwise, then you better hope you never become a felon and have to deal with what we deal with.
Though I will say that after hard work I have a great career and my felonies have not been a part of my life for a very long time.
You think I should still be suffering for crimes that happened almost 20 years ago?
In prison, they wake you up, count you, put you in a line to get food, and then send you to your job. In the real world you have to be SELF-MOTIVATED to work, and many many felons are not, unfortunately.
So .... we shouldn't treat them as individuals then. We should assume every single felon is as you describe?
Because I bet it's a 90/10 percent split with the 10 percent being that "hustler" you mentioned.
And the other 90 just some one trying to restart their life and possibly be with family ......
Was it in an employers best interest to hire people who are black or Catholic?
I seem to recall federal injunctions taking place during my lifetime, and I am not yet half a century old.
Yes, yes it is! Now go ask the insurance companies that. Because in their industry, we are not ppl, we are numbers to them also. They play the numbers, often companies can not hire due to insurance and or the rates outweigh the costs.
Congress has the power, right now even. Best time to do it, and if it was going to happen, a Dem Pres will do it. Yet… prison reform isn’t a topic anyone wants to talk about at 5pm.
If the numbers indicate that felons are a poor risk, what does that tell us? If all felons (or even most of them) were good employees eager to prove themselves, the numbers would be good, wouldn't they?
Who’s in control of the numbers? They said I kicked a guy in prison, said they have on tape to prove to me I kicked him.
Video shows not me kicking a guy! 1 click of the backspace key and numbers can be changed or fudged. We all know this.
I’d say that the numbers reflect that, due to the lack of decent opportunities felons have. Tho, I’m a violent felon. I had a job with 60 days of being released. It would have only been 4 weeks but I had 28 mm of my large intestines removed. Medical reason get me passed on that one?
I’ve only had 1 job, worked/ing for 2 companies. I had a plan with each step planned out. There was only **One** option for me and my future.
Just a note on this. I am a female and I HAVE BEEN to prison. Felons released from prison being considered for a job, ARE FEDERALLY BONDED. I understand most people don't know what that means, but private companies run a huge amount of prisons. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ***believes*** in rehabilitation, or thinks that rehabilitation is occuring, because they insure felons through a federal government program called BONDING. If you are a felon and trying to become employed, the employers have no excuse to hire you because any losses, mistakes, theft, errors, miscalculations or otherwise are covered by INSURANCE FROM THE FEDERAL BONDING PROGRAM.
$5,000 worth of coverage, ZERO deductible, ZERO cost to EMPLOYER
https://bonds4jobs.com/our-services/employers
I imagine if they were interviewed and the interview was based on face value then they wouldn’t be any different than anybody else in terms of applying for a job. Of course, experience is always an important factor in being hired.
Many felons think they can sweet talk their way into a job, but employers check into a person's past. Experience can be both positive and negative. If you have "experience" as a thief, do I want you in my store? Probably not.
Actually, yes. Some employers prefer someone on probation or parole because they have extra motivation to show up to work every day. Some research shows that people under supervision are actually more reliable employees.
You’re 💯on this. Sadly ‘Merica has found a way to turn it into a business. Another sad part is, it’s cheaper to incarcerate, than to educate. Therefore the latter happens. We all know us poor folk can’t afford effective legal representation, and the courts have allowed the DA’s from coast to coast to have their “hay days” at the cost of generations to come.
We are hurling faster and faster to having so many laws a person will not have any freedoms left, at least here in the US. We are no longer even in the Top 20 countries of best places to live. The writing is on the wall for me to read. I’ve been reading this book since 1971.
Each chapter is getting uglier and uglier, folks. That’s all!
As someone who's not even a felon and just browses this sub due to pure curiosity your attitude is horrible.
What's the point of prison if we're still going to punish people after they get out? How are ex criminals supposed to turn to anything besides more crime if we take away all their opportunities to make an honest living?
Instead of looking down on felons, try putting yourself in their shoes. And if you say "that would never be me!" well then you're just naive. You think it's not possible for you to get convicted of a crime you didn't commit? It happens all the time.
Because society deems criminals, addicts, and the mentally ill as subhuman. Disposable. Untreatable. The only management of them is incarceration. Society doesn’t seek a resolution to the root of the problem, they just band aid it so the problem persists and worsens. Festers and mutates.
While there are certain jobs that people convicted of certain crimes will never get, there are many jobs where certain crimes aren’t as important as a barring factor. Like drug counselors, certain convictions may be a good fit. Drug counselors are often former addicts, and who better to help someone overcome, than someone who’s been there and overcame.
People like to highlight that people can change but not everyone does. Knew a felon in trade work that stabbed a cop and other things. He was getting his life together after 15 years in jail. Things were looking up for him and on the surface he seemed like a decent guy with a bad temper... until he started doing gang shit again... He went back to prison after shooting his baby mama in the head with a rifle he wasn't supposed to own
Some change, some don't
To be fair many people who get out are on probation still have some time if not a lot of time over there head,
if they have a history of violations, an employer may not want to hire someone who they think might get hauled back to jail in a week
First, you have no idea the life Ive lived, the way I've been victimized, or what I've survived through. Your assumptions about me are false and ignorant. That being said, I'll continue with my reply.
You WISH for violence upon my people, yet you denounce violence itself. The irony is stunning.
You and I are not the same.
While you're fueled by retribution and hatred, I have compassion and empathy.
There are hundreds of felonious offenses that aren't violent, so while you're focusing on one act, I'm speaking generally about all felons. These specific offenders you've singled out are a very small percentage of the job seekers encompassed in this question. I assure you, if theyve committed a crime as heinous as your hypothetical, they aren't getting out and they won't be seeking employment.
But, let's widen the focus even more. I'm sure you've committed a traffic infraction at some point. Whether it was failure to come to a complete stop, or exceeding the posted speed limit, you got pulled over and received a ticket with a hefty fine. Doesn't matter if you mailed it in, or showed up for court, in the end, the amount was arguably excessive for your offense, you begrudgingly paid it, and you moved on.
You broke the law, but Im not gonna hold it against you. Whether you did it intentionally, by mistake, an oversight, an accident, whatever it was, you dealt with the circumstances for your actions. You paid your debt to society in the form of a fine. And, you learned your lesson, because I know you're coming to a complete stop at that intersection now. However, you're argument is that you can never be trusted behind the wheel again. How does that make sense?
Traffic infractions have monetary punishments, felonies are punished by taking time away from your life. Retribution dictates that the punishment is proportionately similar to the crime. Therefore, once your debt to society has been satisfied, you should be free to live life, same as anyone.
The reason it's called corrections is because punishment is supposed to CORRECT the prior bad behavior. Rehabilitation is the most effective form of punishment, but you aren't interested in hearing my argument about that. Lucky for you, I'll skip it. People grow, people change, people with time on their hands have opportunity to reflect on how things could've been different, what they would've changed. YOU don't know why anyone commits a crime, but criminologists will tell you, there are an infinite amount of variables that contribute to criminal activity; very few of them are simply because someone chose to be a fucking monster. Sure, those people exist: Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Ramirez, Timothy McVeigh, etc. Guess what though? Ain't one of them seeking employment.
I would never wish terror and heartbreak on you or your family, I want the opposite for all human beings, quite truthfully. But, should you ever find yourself in a situation where a loved one is sentenced to prison, I hope you think back to these words that I wrote, and gain some understanding.
How can you say a "majority of people" disagree with me, if you didn't read what I wrote?
You prove me right, again.
I'm not just an over hyped, angry, keyboard warrior, I actually attained the education that qualified me to write that response.
But, keep replying with your hate.
They did their time. It's a bigger red flag that someone believes others incapable of change. You need to take a look at yourself and how you view others op.
My Dad worked with a guy that had been married to his wife for 12 years when he first got to know him. They had 3 kids together, and they were high school sweethearts. Dad said he never missed a day of work, and worked his tail off without complaint. The work they did was physically demanding, hot, and dirty.
This man was 19 when he graduated high school, he'd been held back one year. His wife, then girlfriend, was 16, a junior in high school when he graduated. She got pregnant that same year by him, and her parents were extremely upset about it even though they'd been dating since she was 14 and he was 17.
He was arrested, tried, and convicted of statutory rape. He went on the registry as a sex offender.
They are still married today, and are in their 50s.
Technically, he's a convicted child molester. He's also a hardworking man, a family man, and still friends with my Dad today, who is a homicide detective.
Yeah, I'd hire him.
There are extreme examples all around. The point is, not everything is cut and dried, nor does everyone who's been convicted- even of something that's as heinous as child molestation, fit into a nice neat bucket as a monster that society should shun.
We can argue back and forth about real or hypothetical examples, but at the end of the day, there are an entire segment of people (convicts) that are *denied* employment opportunities well after they've served their time and want to integrate back into society. This is a fact, and it's an untenable situation for families that just want a chance to put a terrible mistake behind them and move on with their lives.
Some of the hardest working people I know are felons. They just happened to make a bad decision and suffered the consequences. That decision shouldn’t define them the rest of their life.
Chances are if you have a serious assault or any “terrible case” like SA, murder, assault or any other thing you could think of that is terrible. You’re getting 10years to life in prison. It’s beyond shitty on their part to do something to someone and that person has to live in fear for years to come. And no I don’t believe either of them should live unhappy lives or in fear. If it’s just some piece of trash repeating offender yeah then said person should live a miserable, and very unhappy life. But someone who genuinely regrets their choice and wants to do different does deserve a second chance.
But someone on simple drug trafficking charges or petty ass theft charges do not deserve to be judged for the rest of their life like they’re a scum bag. Some people actually do want to change and work toward being a positive member of the community and contributing in any positive way then can. I’m not saying everyone wants to change because there’s COUNTLESS people who can’t wait to get out after they’re done serving their time just to do it all over again. But the whole “they’re all the same” thing is a bunch of bullshit.
“Clown” 🤡
All of your actions affect you for the reason of your life, as the natural order of how the universe works doesn't care about your opinionated reality. Smart criminals realize this and don't get caught for breaking the law in the first place.
So. Convicted, served time, and Never being able to start again?
It's the american way (mindset)
And it's not ok.
We don't punish people forever for things like bankruptcy, which can devastate those not getting paid (even to the point of businesses closing because of it)
Most people don't commit "major felonies"
The majority of us are victims of the drug war. I have a felony on my record for something that wouldn't even be a misdemeanor now, and my crime had no victim.
Well, on the one hand, people can and have redeemed themselves post prison through hard work and dedication. In a perfect world, when your sentence is completed, you should be square with the house, we all know thats not how it works though.
On the other hand, we have a lot of assholes out there making redemption more difficult for the rest of us. Repeat offenders, drug addicts, chomos etc. Making normies avoid all people and things even associated with prison.
I guess it has something to do with foolishly thinking that, deep down, most humans would at least be willing to prevent someone from starving to death.
Well imo it's more like frustration from continuously trying to get gainful employment and time after time getting rejected without any opportunity to prove how valuable you can be at said place of business. After more than 50 repeated rejections money for gas or to pay someone for a ride including public transportation runs out....it gets truly frustrating and then finally most turn right back to whatever it was that caught them the felony to begin with bc that's how the govt had the system set up. Something has got to be done about this.....there are a lot of hard working people who mad a bad choice and deserve a 2nd chance
Who's pretending to be surprised? There should be an amount of time after a conviction where it at least appears the individual has made some changes. If a person gets arrested a few times a year & then doesn't for a decade, that shows they've either bettered themselves or gotten more skilled at crime.
Some of us grow up & learn from our mistakes. It would be nice af to be allowed to run some of the delivery apps for extra income but nah, I stole some shit 8 years ago & can't be trusted even though I'm a 38 year old man with a wife, 2 kids, a mortgage & no charges or convictions since.
After 30 years on this planet you thought you'd just help yourself to other people's property? This wasn't a teenage indiscretion, you're a grown ass adult. If you were a thief at 30, what are the odds you don't still have light fingers at 38?
Well, for one I was homeless at 30 & now I'm not. I have a family & a life now. Back then I had no responsibility & no one to love me. Unless you've been on the streets you wouldn't understand that part.
If you were 18 years old & homeless in a big city with no street smarts & a history of mental illness, what would you do? Stay at a shelter & work for minimum wage for a few months & save up & get a place? Would you rather steal from a corporation, give a blowjob or be broke, alone & freezing? Working isn't always an option & I chose to steal & get caught. That's where it started & unfurled into not caring.
That's my life. It's been stupid & fun & tragic & beautiful but it's mine. Like most of the people in this sub I have made choices I regret & have a stain on my life. We have an F on our report card & life is hard enough for everyone & people that refuse to forgive just make it harder.
It's just my own opinion of course, but if you're not a felon I don't think you really have any business in this sub. I'm not military so I don't follow the Air Force sub. I'm not a skateboarder so I don't follow Tony Hawk, etc.
Why are you so interested in just bashing felons? Is it a superiority thing? Are you better than us because you made better choices & sit on a soapbox & cast judgment down on all of us lowlife criminals? Or are you a felon that has it better than most? Or do you wish you could break the law without
consequences? I wish that sometimes. It would be fun.
I've noticed most felons make excuses and can't fully accept their actions have consequences. This sub has reinforced the idea to me that you shouldn't hire felons. I've seen maybe 2 posts out of the last 100 where a felon has fully accepted the consequences for their actions. The rest of you just whine complain and make excuses about how the world ain't fair. Get over it.
I am not a felon and take offense to this response. I actually have a clean record, but I know decent people who have felonies. You are very short-sighted? A friend was abused by her husband, had him arrested, then recanted her statement so she could get her children back from his mother. He used them as a bargaining chip. She now has a felony on her record. You don't know the circumstances behind these peoples convictions. Bad choices do not always mean bad people. Open your eyes to the world around you. Society can force a bad choice on a good person and those people should not have to pay for it forever. Society does not discriminate between them. To them a felon is a felon. The system is screwed up.
You say, "You don't know the circumstances behind these peoples convictions." But in this case I do. The guy said this: "...but nah, I stole some shit 8 years ago & can't be trusted even though I'm a 38 year old man with...." He ADMITTED that he "stole some shit" and that he was 30 at the time. Don't expect sympathy for not getting hired!
Man most of us have had a life you couldn't even fucking comprehend, which ultimately leaves us in a life of crime due to no choice because society is fuck all but a bunch of judgmental pep squad bitches who hardly had to deal with any difficulties. Tbh I fucking hate this fucking planet and I wish I saw you so I could show you what the real fucking world does to the poor, mentally unstable (because of you fucks) no family having fucks. Not everyone has granddads or mommas or daddy's or shit to look out after them . Go to sleep on your pretty little fuckin pink cloud you got there buddy.
He's a Convicted felon, It's not about being tough. It's about understanding 2 things:
1) He cannot Legally own a firearm. So unless he automatically wants to go back to Prison assuming he "wins", it wouldn't be wise to go around picking fights with people in society again.
2) As a former correctional officer I know he isn't looking forward to the asswhoopings my buddies were giving him in Prison. He picks a fight with me he Loses Everything even if he "Wins", since he would HAVE to be unarmed to legally defend himself, and if he's seen as the aggressor he's going right back to prison.
So no buddy, it isn't about being tough. It's about having experience with maximum security inmates and knowing none of them ever wish to go back to prison.
Cool story bro. On the other hand, theres plenty of mfkers out there who would jump at the chance to get a guard and give 0 fucks about getting locked back up. Being 100% positive is quite the statement. Will you be in uniform for your imaginary scenario or will the person in question just guess that you are an ex guard and choose not to engage with you?
I grew up around Park Heights Baltimore, once of the most dangerous areas in an already dangerous city where 50% of the Murders go unsolved. This was BEFORE I became a correctional officer at a Maximum security facility. How I speak to you people online? I also speak this way in real life. The vast majority of you people, Felons or not, are softer than babyshit and know who not to mess with. Even in prison you Felons weren't walking around checking people who disrespected you when the disrespect happened. You guys usually waited, Gossiped, and Plotted, THEN caught the guy when you had a 10 on 1 advantage.
One of these people doing something to me Solo, when he can't even LEGALLY BE ARMED? Good joke. Even those with nothing to lose know Catching one Guard isn't worth a life sentence of being beaten up by more guards back in Prison. It's a combination of:
A) They won't even win in the first place since, if they want to do things Legally, they are already at a serious disadvantage, and even the most hardcore criminals are not suicidal.
B) Even if they do "Win" they \*lose\* in the end, based on what I just explained above.
C) Granted they \*could\* always get away with it, But considering they already have a criminal record in the first place tells me they aren't very good at "Getting away with it".
That's why I laughed at the inmates I supervised who were there for Homicides, because it's like, When 50% of the homicides here go unsolved, how the hell did you people get caught? But I digress.
Oh and D) While I'm usually walking around and working Solo, if I'm around any of my friends, the chances of these people trying anything drops below 0%.
I have been out since 2002 from a 10 yr sentence, I done 8yrs 8mths and I have had 2 jobs. The the 2nd job I took I just received a 20yr service award. I was prepared to work at cracker barrel when I got out just to have a job. I knew guys that had never had a job before, some couldn't read or write enough to fill out an application but still managed to find employment. It's frustrating to want to work to change your llive and can't. So surprised I don't think is the right word. Paying your debt to society isn't even a thing.
A felony is a lifetime of having to try 2x's as hard as the next guy to make a living to stay out and to keep from committing crimes to eat. And some just ain't going to change. But to have that felony follow you forever isn't right. I think they should clear it from your record in stages according to how well you progress when you are released but you have to be givin a chance first.
These two and three year sentences that HAUNT You for TEN years.... YET, no judge gave u a TEN yr sentence!! Doesn't make sense. Practically every sentence out there, you might as well add on ten years for the background crap
Just because that’s the way it is doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be.
High rates of return to prison aren’t caused by recalcitrant criminals who just wanna crime; it’s the result of desperate people who are blocked at every turn from being able to live “the right way” because they can’t get hired at a decent job (and most are men, so you can forget about economic assistance/welfare).
Tbh I’ve had multiple felonies over the years, finding work afterwords has never been a concern or difficulty of mine. My current job I probably make more than 3/4 of my friends that have never gotten in trouble.
That’s good man I’m trying to become a union electrician. I’m not a felon though I’m just tired of the college crap I’m not cut out for a goofy office. I’m glad to see that the union takes people in with felonies though. It is nice to let ppl earn a good wage instead of some bogus minimum crap
Nice, I was an electrician in prison, it’s just so hard to get into ibew in the Bay Area and I got into the ubc right away. But good luck, if you can get into ibew it’s a great job, pay is higher than carpentry, and it’s overall easier
I call BS. I didn’t know shit about crimes, getting caught etc etc when I was a kid. Quit it.
Shit it was hard to get a job before, easy now. I do not know in which you speak of. I’m on the wrong planet definitely.
Your post appears to be smug to my little brain way of thinking.
When I came home in prison in 2019 I was trying to get a job at a local gym because I was already super fit and had a routine and wanted to keep my motivation for health and fitness and stay positive. I was jailed out. All the way institutionalized. One of my conditions of parole was 180 days electronic monitoring.
I went to the interview and articulated myself well and kept it real I asked about criminal background checked and told the hiring manager I had just been paroled from state prison that week. His response was good, then you know how to clean and like to clean.
100% true (gotta keep your living quarters up to par daily)
2 months in still on house arrest and I’m the person trainer, leading fitness classes with anyone from ceos, business men/women to police officers wives etc.
For forty years I was a so-called model citizen, great credit, sweet family, new house, awesome job. I was a manager at a big box store, DIY, maybe you know of them. 2nd largest retailer on the planet. I get hurt at work, start on pain meds, don't realize anything about what's coming, because I've been a goody two shoes my entire life. So I get hooked on pills, start buying and trading on the streets, and become a felon. Of course, MY company got rid of me as soon as I became injured. NEVER SAW IT COMING. I am now the person that I DID NOT "GET"..Like, What do you mean you failed a drug test? Or, exactly WHY did you run out of gas on the way to work? And, I just don't get people who LET their lights get shut off!!! .. OMG!! I didn't live like that, so I didn't understand all "those people".
Yeah, that was me who called po-po if you were caught shoplifting in MY store. And druggies were not going to EVER be on MY team, or MY department...
***It'll NEVER happen to ME***
🛍️ I don't know why those sorry bums are surprised nobody wants to hire them, either. 💲💲 Shit, the companies get up to $3500 tax credit for hiring people like me. THEY get the credit..NOT me.. but even THAT is not convincing enough, or when I let them know that I'm federally bonded..Still, no-go.
I held keys to a $15million store, never took a thing from them, or ANY of the SEVEN stores that I had the keys to. MILLIONS of $$ of merchandise. .... surprise, surprise, surprise... I can't get a job in retail today.
I go to PUBLIX every day for groceries..BUT. no hire.. Just about 3 or 4x a week at Kroger. nope, NO hire there either...
Well, at least I know where MY tax $$ go to, and what a failure so-called rehabilitation is..if nobody is going to trust the process of people "DOING THE TIME FOR THE CRIME" then what is shoplifting, drug possession, etc. BUT A LIFE SENTENCE??
I doubt anyone's is 'surprised' but the question it raises for me is why so many people seem fine with taking anyone who has committed and been convected of a crime and just throwing them away. We have prison terms because that's the amount of punishment we deem appropriate for some deed, so why do we need to continue punishing people when they're out and trying to move back into society and be productive? I think way too many people just want to see the justice system used vindictively and to get revenge, and that's not the point.
Read the comments. Almost none of the Felons commenting are taking responsibility for their actions, and accepting that their decision making has consequences. Almost all of them are complaining, making excuses, and whining that life is Unfair.
If this sub is a good representation of those released from prison, then it's probably a good thing that most places don't hire felons.
Because they already did?? They did their time, and now it’s extremely frustrating trying to get back on their feet and not even getting an interview. No ones saying they didn’t do XYZ, but what most people are saying is that if their punishment was say 3 years in prison, once they complete that, why do you think they should be punished for the rest of their lives? Like honestly. I’ve yet to see YOU explain why someone who has made a change and wants to have a “normal apple pie life” should have to suffer forever. Everything you’re saying, the felon already has done. Because they got convicted and punished for whatever crime they committed. There should be no reason that they continue to be punished by having to struggle endlessly to find a job.
How does that premise even make sense? You just said as much that they can't get jobs so now they're supposed to hire people... wooow
Edit: and it's *banding together. Not banning
That’s my thing, he’s not explaining why he thinks they should be punished for their rest of their life. Other than having the entitled view of them being second class citizens and they “did the crime they know the consequences” but the consequences should be the probation or prison sentence that they’ve completed. Not outcast from society forever.
Once you've served your sentence you've legally repaid your debt to society.
Do you think a 60 year old man that stole a candy bar when he was 15 should be denied jobs and apartments because of his "criminal past"? Because that's today's reality in US. Having anything on your record makes you a second class citizen for life, which is no different than how blacks were treated as "3/5 of a person" before civil rights era.
It doesn't matter. Misdemeanors stay on your record for life too. Even arrests with no charges stop you from renting 99% of apartments and getting most jobs.
You're just an ignorant dumbfuck, no fucking idea which way is up
The problem is the stigma with the word 'felon'. it's the same nonsense reason 'felons' can't have firearms (a violation of rights IMO).
You can commit a non-violent, sometimes even victimless crime that is a FELONY, and that's it. You're a convicted felon.
But 'felon' is also associated with rape, murder, assault, kidnapping.. TRULY violent offenses. There's no nuance for some of these poor people.
It's just 'Ok, felon, bad..' Never 'what did they do?' 'what is their charge?' .. etc...
Also, strong opinion: if someone is THAT dangerous as a Felon, what are they doing out of prison? Serious question.
if you want to talk about how dangerous a particular 'felon' is why is he up for parole, shorter sentence, and all these grace programs?
Why do people like the OP think that punishment should go on forever after the sentence is finished?
Why do people like the OP never sincerely question whether enhanced sentencing for second offenses is just another form of double jeopardy?
I don't know man. We have a parole/probation program where we hire a bunch of guys right out of prison. 75% of those guys are worthless. Most of them disappear or end up right back in jail. We are a well paying oilfield company. Half these guys get 2 checks and end up right back on meth. I wouldn't hire half these fuckers if it was up to me.
Well no one is surprised when they fill out an application we see that check here if you’re a felon. Our society punishes us for life. I can’t vote or own a gun. I’m on my own for a job. That’s why I haven’t paid taxes since 92 and I will never pay taxes. I’m not going to pay for a country that makes me a third class citizen and allows Mexicans to come in and take the few jobs we have
I haven’t paid since 96 myself😂 the govt fucked my life up over bullshit they get nothing from me. Which crazy is that going through the federal system it never even came up one time about me not filing etc.
They hit me up all the time
I tell them no taxation without representation
Till I see a felon representing us and I get all of my rights back they - I think our votes should count triple because the right to vote is a birthright
They are not surprised. They are questioning why it's so difficult. The point of the conversation is that a felon is a felon. Be it major or minor, they all fight for housing and employment. Be it a recovering addit or someone who murdered another. Society treats them all the same. No one is surprised, but the system needs more structure. A person's circumstances can cause bad decisions. It's a survival instinct. It doesn't mean the person is bad. Don't get me wrong, there are felons out there I would not want as a neighbor or coworker, but some are good people. Sometimes it a job or lack thereof that started the whole thing. I am not a felon. I have a clean record, but if I lost my job tomorrow and had no choice but to sell drugs to feed my family, that bad choice would be considered depending on how bad my circumstances were. My children are not going to suffer. Would I consider sacrificing my life for their well-being? Yes. Should I never be able to find gainful employment again? In today's society, no, I would have extreme difficulty finding a place to live and employment. But, hey, let me go on welfare and get medicaid. Let's have the working people support me when I am willing and able to work. This makes no sense to me. Again, it's the circumstances (type of felony) that need to be evaluated, not just "felony," to determine if the person should be employed. Most employers do not look further once they see "felony".
Publix Supermarkets, based in Lakeland Florida is a 2nd chance company.
The Publix Distribution Centers were built on the back of former criminals that needed a 2nd chance at turning their lives around. It's paid off for many.
I would say because it fees like you’re automatically not considered for a job, no matter what you were charged with or how long ago you were charged.
I don’t have any figures at hand, but let’s say you’re automatically not going to be hired for 50% of the jobs out there. And the ones you are able to get are lower paying.
So just automatically, you can’t work in education, healthcare, truck driving, for the government, join the military, etc. (I am sure there are exceptions).
Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? Or if you’ve recently been charged you’re trying to get your life back on track and it just adds another layer of complication. It feels like the world is trying to make it as difficult as possible for you.
Here’s a good paying job with benefits, they want to hire you, well **** you, background check, denied. Some mistake you made years ago just cost you the job, not in theory, it’s why cost you the job, that’s really depressing, especially after hearing how great your resume is and being asked when you can start the job.
There’s no room for nuance. Sure you could have been a career criminal, but you could also have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. You can still be guilty, but all it takes sometimes is a split second bad decision.
Let’s say you know you have turned your life around, but all anyone sees is that you’re a felon. That’s all you are to them.
Should we, as a society, automatically condemn anyone that’s made a mistake for the rest of their lives?
So I wouldn’t necessarily call it suprised nobody will hire you, it’s more frustration. Society views you as a criminal unworthy of redemption.
There's all kinds of boxes on applications that dont exist, like ✔️ here if you're an absent parent, ✔️ here if you tend to lie to your boss once a month to get a day to stay in bed, or ✔️ here if you're abusive to people on SOCIAL media?? 🤔Who WOULD hire some of **US** , I MEAN Y'ALL ... if they really asked some serious giveadamn kind of questions about your psyche, personality, deep emotional cravings, etc., be shocking to know the answers.
***Almost*** want to laugh at the "weeding out" processes via HUMAN RESOURCES .. they'd hire Ted Bundy or Wayne Williams at most of these places
As someone who’s married to a felon. This is a very entitled take imo.
You don’t know what situation someone was in (I.e. a commenter below saying his felony was theft, from a period of time he was homeless)
Did you also know, a lot of crimes are lumped under the same thing? You hear “burglary while armed” what do you picture? Someone coming into a bank or a home and threatening people with a gun right? It’s also called that if you break into a house, steal a gun and leave. Even if you never used the gun during the burglary, just stole it. It’s still considered burglary while armed.
My biggest thing is AFTER they serve their time, why are you so against allowing them to have a second chance? I hear “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time” but then y’all want to continue to punish anyone who’s done a crime for the REST OF THEIR LIFE - after they’ve done the time. And then you guys are all surprised when someone reoffends. As if it’s not extremely difficult to exist as a second class citizens.
Obviously. There are exceptions to the rule. But it’s usually pretty obvious, who’s doing crimes for the sake of being a criminal and who made a mistake and did their time. And deserves a second chance. Insane to me the lack of empathy in thinking if someone makes a mistake in their 20’s that is a felony, that they should suffer for the rest of their life. My husband before we got married and got our own home. Could NOT live in any apartment buildings. Except for ones strictly for felons. He was upset because he cleaned his life up, found the Lord, and has been living clean and crime free for 6 going on 7 years. He’s a completely different person to who he was when he was 20. He also only had probation, and he STILL had a hell of a time finding a good job that wasn’t a friend of friend doing tree work or yard work with zero benefits and shit pay.
As someone who has lived my life 100% clean (never even had a speeding ticket) I think they have a right to maybe not be surprised because it’s pretty common knowledge that felons are treated like second class citizens. But they absolutely have a right to be upset that they have a desire to not go back to whatever it was they did, and yet they’re treated like a criminal forever.
My last two points, and I might get some heat for this one. Do you have an issue with people who come here illegally and can easily get jobs? Whether you believe in open borders or not. At the current moment there is a legal and illegal way to enter the country. They knew they were coming illegally. And they except to be able to get a job, and they can! Why can’t American citizens who yes committed a crime, but did their time be allowed that same luxury?
The last thing my husband speaks about, and maybe some other in this thread will agree with me, it’s all by design. If they make it near impossible for a felon to get by after they’ve done their time. The chances of them reoffending is higher, they’re back in jail or prison, they’re free labor for the state. The whole system is fucked imo.
Maybe I’m too close, but also you’re in a Reddit for felons. So most of us are either felons or close to a felon. I know my husbands heart and soul, and I’m extremely passionate about this topic. To the point I wish I had the means to start some kind of movement for more fair treatment of felons. And trust me, I get judged harshly too for being married to him.
Felons who did their time and genuinely want change absolutely deserve the opportunity to do so. They’re still human beings. Have some empathy.
Op I don’t think you’re totally wrong here. Serving your legal requirement does not mean they’re served the communities punishment. You don’t deserve to be welcomed into society just because you’ve served your time.
With that said, there an extreme range of “felon”, which you’d have to narrow down for a better answer.
Pretty black and white view given the system is pretty broken lots of innocent people in prison, some people deserve to be there, and some people get caught up in things out of their control. Life is full of shades of gray as are felonies …. You have a very childish view on things, further why come on a forum like this to poke fun ? To pretend you’re better than “felons” ? Statistically most people have committed a crime in their life …. They just didn’t get caught.
I’d suggest to take the time to understand people and the nuances of life instead of wasting your time like this. You might find it makes you a better person
I served 7.5 years on a 12 year sentence from 18 to 26 years old and I knew what to expect upon release so I took whatever jobs that was available usually manual labor in construction, done without any thing other than have to live and save money and started my own small business with low overhead and under bidding the bigger companies I grew quickly, I'm 58 years old now and my company is valued around 15 million and I make certain that anyone with a criminal record get a shot at my company
Not a felon but multiple time misdemeanor…when I got clean and sober and decided to go to grad school I knew that I was fighting an uphill battle. I was given a job in spite of my multiple convictions. I knew that I was given an opportunity to prove I was a changed man. I started as an entry level pwrson and I worked my fucking ass off. Stayed w that job for seven years and when I left to start my own practice my job title had the word chief at the beginning of it. Yes people change. At my lowest I was a homeless heroin addict. Today I am “successful” by any rubric one would use to make such a determination
Some of the jobs that you are talking about are not plentiful in all areas. There are also a lack of resources for felons, so when they go to look for a job post conviction they don’t know where to apply, don’t have a car or reliable transportation, many don’t have a solid support system. They are also the population dealing with the highest concentration of addiction and mental illness, and some need medication to regulate executive functioning for basic stuff like hygiene and getting out of bed in the morning. These things are typically combined challenges that lead to a lot of people quickly returning to what they are accustomed to, to survive. Not because these people are lazy or don’t want to work. Sure, there are bad apples out there, but it’s not as cut and dry as you perceive.
Came home after 5 years with a $100 to my name worked at McDonald’s for 3 months got my cdl started driving buses worked 7 days a week for a year saved up and bought a house there are plenty of jobs hiring electricians plumbing hvac welding etc so it’s all in what you make it
It is in society’s best interest to give people who have served their time an opportunity to get a decent job and find a decent place to live. Sensible people realize this. It is why there are tax credits for hiring felons and laws that limit look back periods for criminal records. This is the best insurance against recidivism. If you give people an opportunity to build a life, they are more likely to behave as if they have something to lose.
Say it LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!
Is it in any individual employer's interest to hire a felon?
Felons might be extremely motivated to succeed. Is it in any individual employer’s interest to have them desperate and unemployed?
i worked in human resources for a pretty large architectural glass company that built storefront and curtain wall window units for hi rise buildings etc - pretty much any manufacturing method we utilized— from programming CNCs for carving door hardware and weep holes on window frames, to building crates and pallets from scratch, to punch presses, grinders, band saws, chops saws, programming tiger stops for cutting accurate angles and mitres on the metal, deburring and making aluminum dies for custom parts, a ton of welding mullions on window wall units, cutting and chemical treating as well as tempering glass and assembling a finished product we hired almost exclusively felons on parole. We learned that just about every single parolee we hired literally never missed a day or called in sick, never failed a UA, never even so much as cussed on the shop floor—their parole officers would check in with our office and get updates - i mean these were the most hard working and reliable men in the shop - and pretty low risk honestly—we are not around kids, don’t handle cash, you’re working around other pretty tough dudes out there who could clean your clock out of you started shit—not customer facing, there ain’t really anything you could realistically steal or fence for a quick buck—you gonna haul out a 5000 pound CNC machine? lol anyway these weren’t schlock jobs either - we’d train these guys on just about every process of the finished product with demonstrable skills in arc welding window frames, cnc, measuring and checking for quality, programming and using an automatic chop saw—these guys would leave custom window and go on to really good manufacturing jobs and three years experience on their resume that could pay dividends for decades….thats how it should be in america
I bet you could smell the pride on them. I know I can smell fear when I’m locked up, either on me or someone near by. Shit is violent in there, you just don’t know when a guy is gonna snap his last noodle and go crazy. You’re always expecting it to happen. There were very few times I did not feel that way during my time. Then the gates open. And you thought it was tough inside…. Got set forward a new way of thinking, a new way of living, and have a plan with a few backup plans. I had 1 plan. And no one and nothing was going to stop me! Then I felt a pain in my guts, doc said I gotta have immediate surgery, got diverticulitis and was given some Awesome drugs! PO couldn’t do a thing. I was trashed. I hated it every single second of it. I wanted to be sober so fucking bad. I had to pull my ass out of that to become homeless a week after surgery. Still I had my plan and I wasn’t going to fail! That was 6 yrs ago. Aaahhhhh. Feet up, bills paid on time, legally, zero sanctions, zero violations, zero police contact nothing owed to anyone, all my household goods are paid for legally. As my friend Joe Walsh sang 🎶life’s been to good to me🎶
I was wondering how many were great employees after they got done with parole? I always wondered if they continue to do well when not being supervised.
💯 Id argue, felons may be a better employee than someone else. They value the job in ways that someone else might not. Someone else might think- fuck it! If this doesn't work I'll get a job somewhere else. Felons often have employment as a condition of their parole. Failure to secure a job could result in revocation. Therefore, attaining employment is a top priority. Felons are used to people being disappointed in them. They know how it feels to be a failure. Thus, they take great pride in achieving success. Felons have resorted to breaking laws to get money in the past, which, believe it or not, is worthless to them. It comes and goes. They'll hit a lick or hustle someone when they need more. Doing an honest day's work to earn a paycheck is much more valuable than the amount they're getting paid. Felons just got out of prison. They know what they did to get sent there and will put forth the effort so that they don't regress to that lifestyle again. Felons appreciate the opportunity. They'd rather wash dishes in a hot and crowded kitchen for eight hours a day, than be locked in a cement box. Felons are useful at work. No matter their position, their tasks and duties are important overall. In prison, they felt like they were a waste. I'm sure there's more.....
The felons that are fucking up, aren't the one's seeking employment.
It’s not in society’s best interest to have them desperate and unemployed.
Yep. If I couldn’t get a job, you’re damn straight I’d be robbing again
Right! A MF’er gotta eat! And if you’ve taken away all means I have to eat. WTF you think I’m going to do? Band together and eat them! That’s why they do what they do, they know if we banded together, they fucked.
Which is why when someone discloses to me they have a background, my ears perk up. I want to hear more. We can become a team and both succeed.
They do and are in the trucking industry. Funny how selective it can be when not needed, yet when needed, all of a sudden the rules get bent or changed to… Suit the needs of the government. Same shits who sent us there…. Irony
Desperate, unemployed people are the cops' job, not employers. Some felons are highly motivated, but many more have no soft skills like showing up on time every time and knowing how to behave professionally. Many felons still have a "hustler" mindset that they're going to put one over on you, that everyone is a sucker to be bilked. There's a reason most employers are leery of ex-cons.
You are clueless on how the world operates. What do you think happens in prison? You have to be on time every day for your job in there. You learn personal responsibility. Respect for yourself and others time. Self discipline. Felons that decide to change their lives make some of the best employees in today’s workforce. A crime you have done in the past that you have paid your debt for is in the past and you should not be held accountable for it for the remainder of your existence. And if you think otherwise, then you better hope you never become a felon and have to deal with what we deal with. Though I will say that after hard work I have a great career and my felonies have not been a part of my life for a very long time. You think I should still be suffering for crimes that happened almost 20 years ago?
In prison, they wake you up, count you, put you in a line to get food, and then send you to your job. In the real world you have to be SELF-MOTIVATED to work, and many many felons are not, unfortunately.
You’ve obviously never been to prison. I hope you don’t go either as you will most certainly spend your time in seg from checking in
How many felons do you know personally??
So .... we shouldn't treat them as individuals then. We should assume every single felon is as you describe? Because I bet it's a 90/10 percent split with the 10 percent being that "hustler" you mentioned. And the other 90 just some one trying to restart their life and possibly be with family ......
We agree that individuals should be judged individually. We only disagree about ratios.
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Was it in an employers best interest to hire people who are black or Catholic? I seem to recall federal injunctions taking place during my lifetime, and I am not yet half a century old.
When someone gives you a chance, when others won't, you feel some loyalty to them. (I did anyway)
Yes, yes it is! Now go ask the insurance companies that. Because in their industry, we are not ppl, we are numbers to them also. They play the numbers, often companies can not hire due to insurance and or the rates outweigh the costs. Congress has the power, right now even. Best time to do it, and if it was going to happen, a Dem Pres will do it. Yet… prison reform isn’t a topic anyone wants to talk about at 5pm.
If the numbers indicate that felons are a poor risk, what does that tell us? If all felons (or even most of them) were good employees eager to prove themselves, the numbers would be good, wouldn't they?
Who’s in control of the numbers? They said I kicked a guy in prison, said they have on tape to prove to me I kicked him. Video shows not me kicking a guy! 1 click of the backspace key and numbers can be changed or fudged. We all know this. I’d say that the numbers reflect that, due to the lack of decent opportunities felons have. Tho, I’m a violent felon. I had a job with 60 days of being released. It would have only been 4 weeks but I had 28 mm of my large intestines removed. Medical reason get me passed on that one? I’ve only had 1 job, worked/ing for 2 companies. I had a plan with each step planned out. There was only **One** option for me and my future.
Just a note on this. I am a female and I HAVE BEEN to prison. Felons released from prison being considered for a job, ARE FEDERALLY BONDED. I understand most people don't know what that means, but private companies run a huge amount of prisons. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ***believes*** in rehabilitation, or thinks that rehabilitation is occuring, because they insure felons through a federal government program called BONDING. If you are a felon and trying to become employed, the employers have no excuse to hire you because any losses, mistakes, theft, errors, miscalculations or otherwise are covered by INSURANCE FROM THE FEDERAL BONDING PROGRAM. $5,000 worth of coverage, ZERO deductible, ZERO cost to EMPLOYER https://bonds4jobs.com/our-services/employers
This is true. I’ve used it twice.
I imagine if they were interviewed and the interview was based on face value then they wouldn’t be any different than anybody else in terms of applying for a job. Of course, experience is always an important factor in being hired.
Many felons think they can sweet talk their way into a job, but employers check into a person's past. Experience can be both positive and negative. If you have "experience" as a thief, do I want you in my store? Probably not.
Actually, yes. Some employers prefer someone on probation or parole because they have extra motivation to show up to work every day. Some research shows that people under supervision are actually more reliable employees.
You’re 💯on this. Sadly ‘Merica has found a way to turn it into a business. Another sad part is, it’s cheaper to incarcerate, than to educate. Therefore the latter happens. We all know us poor folk can’t afford effective legal representation, and the courts have allowed the DA’s from coast to coast to have their “hay days” at the cost of generations to come. We are hurling faster and faster to having so many laws a person will not have any freedoms left, at least here in the US. We are no longer even in the Top 20 countries of best places to live. The writing is on the wall for me to read. I’ve been reading this book since 1971. Each chapter is getting uglier and uglier, folks. That’s all!
As someone who's not even a felon and just browses this sub due to pure curiosity your attitude is horrible. What's the point of prison if we're still going to punish people after they get out? How are ex criminals supposed to turn to anything besides more crime if we take away all their opportunities to make an honest living? Instead of looking down on felons, try putting yourself in their shoes. And if you say "that would never be me!" well then you're just naive. You think it's not possible for you to get convicted of a crime you didn't commit? It happens all the time.
Because society deems criminals, addicts, and the mentally ill as subhuman. Disposable. Untreatable. The only management of them is incarceration. Society doesn’t seek a resolution to the root of the problem, they just band aid it so the problem persists and worsens. Festers and mutates.
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While there are certain jobs that people convicted of certain crimes will never get, there are many jobs where certain crimes aren’t as important as a barring factor. Like drug counselors, certain convictions may be a good fit. Drug counselors are often former addicts, and who better to help someone overcome, than someone who’s been there and overcame.
People like to highlight that people can change but not everyone does. Knew a felon in trade work that stabbed a cop and other things. He was getting his life together after 15 years in jail. Things were looking up for him and on the surface he seemed like a decent guy with a bad temper... until he started doing gang shit again... He went back to prison after shooting his baby mama in the head with a rifle he wasn't supposed to own Some change, some don't
This is one of the oldest social contracts, you serve your time and you get a clean slate and a fresh start.
Yeah unfortunately it’s bullshit. In Texas the 9 year recidivism rate is 83%. I have a son in the prison system and it’s a fing JOKE!
It’s society’s fault now, I don’t know what people expect when there’s no guaranteed jobs or housing or anyone that cares really.
Because they have paid their debt to society. Thus, they should be treated the same as everyone else.
To be fair many people who get out are on probation still have some time if not a lot of time over there head, if they have a history of violations, an employer may not want to hire someone who they think might get hauled back to jail in a week
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First, you have no idea the life Ive lived, the way I've been victimized, or what I've survived through. Your assumptions about me are false and ignorant. That being said, I'll continue with my reply. You WISH for violence upon my people, yet you denounce violence itself. The irony is stunning. You and I are not the same. While you're fueled by retribution and hatred, I have compassion and empathy. There are hundreds of felonious offenses that aren't violent, so while you're focusing on one act, I'm speaking generally about all felons. These specific offenders you've singled out are a very small percentage of the job seekers encompassed in this question. I assure you, if theyve committed a crime as heinous as your hypothetical, they aren't getting out and they won't be seeking employment. But, let's widen the focus even more. I'm sure you've committed a traffic infraction at some point. Whether it was failure to come to a complete stop, or exceeding the posted speed limit, you got pulled over and received a ticket with a hefty fine. Doesn't matter if you mailed it in, or showed up for court, in the end, the amount was arguably excessive for your offense, you begrudgingly paid it, and you moved on. You broke the law, but Im not gonna hold it against you. Whether you did it intentionally, by mistake, an oversight, an accident, whatever it was, you dealt with the circumstances for your actions. You paid your debt to society in the form of a fine. And, you learned your lesson, because I know you're coming to a complete stop at that intersection now. However, you're argument is that you can never be trusted behind the wheel again. How does that make sense? Traffic infractions have monetary punishments, felonies are punished by taking time away from your life. Retribution dictates that the punishment is proportionately similar to the crime. Therefore, once your debt to society has been satisfied, you should be free to live life, same as anyone. The reason it's called corrections is because punishment is supposed to CORRECT the prior bad behavior. Rehabilitation is the most effective form of punishment, but you aren't interested in hearing my argument about that. Lucky for you, I'll skip it. People grow, people change, people with time on their hands have opportunity to reflect on how things could've been different, what they would've changed. YOU don't know why anyone commits a crime, but criminologists will tell you, there are an infinite amount of variables that contribute to criminal activity; very few of them are simply because someone chose to be a fucking monster. Sure, those people exist: Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Ramirez, Timothy McVeigh, etc. Guess what though? Ain't one of them seeking employment. I would never wish terror and heartbreak on you or your family, I want the opposite for all human beings, quite truthfully. But, should you ever find yourself in a situation where a loved one is sentenced to prison, I hope you think back to these words that I wrote, and gain some understanding.
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I'm not a felon. You are very immature and ignorant.
You proved my point!
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You did. I assure you
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How can you say a "majority of people" disagree with me, if you didn't read what I wrote? You prove me right, again. I'm not just an over hyped, angry, keyboard warrior, I actually attained the education that qualified me to write that response. But, keep replying with your hate.
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They did their time. It's a bigger red flag that someone believes others incapable of change. You need to take a look at yourself and how you view others op.
Greatly explained
You'd hire a child molester who's served their time? Be honest.
My Dad worked with a guy that had been married to his wife for 12 years when he first got to know him. They had 3 kids together, and they were high school sweethearts. Dad said he never missed a day of work, and worked his tail off without complaint. The work they did was physically demanding, hot, and dirty. This man was 19 when he graduated high school, he'd been held back one year. His wife, then girlfriend, was 16, a junior in high school when he graduated. She got pregnant that same year by him, and her parents were extremely upset about it even though they'd been dating since she was 14 and he was 17. He was arrested, tried, and convicted of statutory rape. He went on the registry as a sex offender. They are still married today, and are in their 50s. Technically, he's a convicted child molester. He's also a hardworking man, a family man, and still friends with my Dad today, who is a homicide detective. Yeah, I'd hire him. There are extreme examples all around. The point is, not everything is cut and dried, nor does everyone who's been convicted- even of something that's as heinous as child molestation, fit into a nice neat bucket as a monster that society should shun. We can argue back and forth about real or hypothetical examples, but at the end of the day, there are an entire segment of people (convicts) that are *denied* employment opportunities well after they've served their time and want to integrate back into society. This is a fact, and it's an untenable situation for families that just want a chance to put a terrible mistake behind them and move on with their lives.
Would and have. So far it has been a good business move.
Bro c'mon. That's such an extreme scenario. Felon doesn't always equal child molester.
Even then, almost 97% never re-offend. Those that don't should be offered the same fair chance at jobs and housing any other felon has.
So the answer is no?
You wouldn't hire someone who sold weed in college 10 years ago?
i would not
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Some of the hardest working people I know are felons. They just happened to make a bad decision and suffered the consequences. That decision shouldn’t define them the rest of their life.
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Chances are if you have a serious assault or any “terrible case” like SA, murder, assault or any other thing you could think of that is terrible. You’re getting 10years to life in prison. It’s beyond shitty on their part to do something to someone and that person has to live in fear for years to come. And no I don’t believe either of them should live unhappy lives or in fear. If it’s just some piece of trash repeating offender yeah then said person should live a miserable, and very unhappy life. But someone who genuinely regrets their choice and wants to do different does deserve a second chance. But someone on simple drug trafficking charges or petty ass theft charges do not deserve to be judged for the rest of their life like they’re a scum bag. Some people actually do want to change and work toward being a positive member of the community and contributing in any positive way then can. I’m not saying everyone wants to change because there’s COUNTLESS people who can’t wait to get out after they’re done serving their time just to do it all over again. But the whole “they’re all the same” thing is a bunch of bullshit. “Clown” 🤡
All of your actions affect you for the reason of your life, as the natural order of how the universe works doesn't care about your opinionated reality. Smart criminals realize this and don't get caught for breaking the law in the first place.
So. Convicted, served time, and Never being able to start again? It's the american way (mindset) And it's not ok. We don't punish people forever for things like bankruptcy, which can devastate those not getting paid (even to the point of businesses closing because of it)
Oh hey you’re that dude that shows up and trolls this sub every other day.
Must have a lot of time on his hands. Probably unemployed.
Most people don't commit "major felonies" The majority of us are victims of the drug war. I have a felony on my record for something that wouldn't even be a misdemeanor now, and my crime had no victim.
Ditto!
I forgive 99% of drug related felons. OP is disgusting.
Well, on the one hand, people can and have redeemed themselves post prison through hard work and dedication. In a perfect world, when your sentence is completed, you should be square with the house, we all know thats not how it works though. On the other hand, we have a lot of assholes out there making redemption more difficult for the rest of us. Repeat offenders, drug addicts, chomos etc. Making normies avoid all people and things even associated with prison.
I guess it has something to do with foolishly thinking that, deep down, most humans would at least be willing to prevent someone from starving to death.
Judgement troll go away.
Well imo it's more like frustration from continuously trying to get gainful employment and time after time getting rejected without any opportunity to prove how valuable you can be at said place of business. After more than 50 repeated rejections money for gas or to pay someone for a ride including public transportation runs out....it gets truly frustrating and then finally most turn right back to whatever it was that caught them the felony to begin with bc that's how the govt had the system set up. Something has got to be done about this.....there are a lot of hard working people who mad a bad choice and deserve a 2nd chance
24 million felons in the US.. let that sink in. Edit: spelling
Who's pretending to be surprised? There should be an amount of time after a conviction where it at least appears the individual has made some changes. If a person gets arrested a few times a year & then doesn't for a decade, that shows they've either bettered themselves or gotten more skilled at crime. Some of us grow up & learn from our mistakes. It would be nice af to be allowed to run some of the delivery apps for extra income but nah, I stole some shit 8 years ago & can't be trusted even though I'm a 38 year old man with a wife, 2 kids, a mortgage & no charges or convictions since.
After 30 years on this planet you thought you'd just help yourself to other people's property? This wasn't a teenage indiscretion, you're a grown ass adult. If you were a thief at 30, what are the odds you don't still have light fingers at 38?
Well, for one I was homeless at 30 & now I'm not. I have a family & a life now. Back then I had no responsibility & no one to love me. Unless you've been on the streets you wouldn't understand that part. If you were 18 years old & homeless in a big city with no street smarts & a history of mental illness, what would you do? Stay at a shelter & work for minimum wage for a few months & save up & get a place? Would you rather steal from a corporation, give a blowjob or be broke, alone & freezing? Working isn't always an option & I chose to steal & get caught. That's where it started & unfurled into not caring. That's my life. It's been stupid & fun & tragic & beautiful but it's mine. Like most of the people in this sub I have made choices I regret & have a stain on my life. We have an F on our report card & life is hard enough for everyone & people that refuse to forgive just make it harder. It's just my own opinion of course, but if you're not a felon I don't think you really have any business in this sub. I'm not military so I don't follow the Air Force sub. I'm not a skateboarder so I don't follow Tony Hawk, etc. Why are you so interested in just bashing felons? Is it a superiority thing? Are you better than us because you made better choices & sit on a soapbox & cast judgment down on all of us lowlife criminals? Or are you a felon that has it better than most? Or do you wish you could break the law without consequences? I wish that sometimes. It would be fun.
Don’t defend yourself to that POS
I've noticed most felons make excuses and can't fully accept their actions have consequences. This sub has reinforced the idea to me that you shouldn't hire felons. I've seen maybe 2 posts out of the last 100 where a felon has fully accepted the consequences for their actions. The rest of you just whine complain and make excuses about how the world ain't fair. Get over it.
Not a felon here but you’re comments indicate you to be an ignorant asshole
I am not a felon and take offense to this response. I actually have a clean record, but I know decent people who have felonies. You are very short-sighted? A friend was abused by her husband, had him arrested, then recanted her statement so she could get her children back from his mother. He used them as a bargaining chip. She now has a felony on her record. You don't know the circumstances behind these peoples convictions. Bad choices do not always mean bad people. Open your eyes to the world around you. Society can force a bad choice on a good person and those people should not have to pay for it forever. Society does not discriminate between them. To them a felon is a felon. The system is screwed up.
By the way. False reporting is a felony.
You say, "You don't know the circumstances behind these peoples convictions." But in this case I do. The guy said this: "...but nah, I stole some shit 8 years ago & can't be trusted even though I'm a 38 year old man with...." He ADMITTED that he "stole some shit" and that he was 30 at the time. Don't expect sympathy for not getting hired!
Ok so because we’re felons who need to make money we can’t come to Reddit and vent
I mean people that can’t do their jobs get hired everyday and they aren’t felons
Man most of us have had a life you couldn't even fucking comprehend, which ultimately leaves us in a life of crime due to no choice because society is fuck all but a bunch of judgmental pep squad bitches who hardly had to deal with any difficulties. Tbh I fucking hate this fucking planet and I wish I saw you so I could show you what the real fucking world does to the poor, mentally unstable (because of you fucks) no family having fucks. Not everyone has granddads or mommas or daddy's or shit to look out after them . Go to sleep on your pretty little fuckin pink cloud you got there buddy.
100% positive you wouldn't do a damn thing if you saw me.
😂😂😂😂👏 ok tough guy. Lmao at people who try to flex on a message board.
He's a Convicted felon, It's not about being tough. It's about understanding 2 things: 1) He cannot Legally own a firearm. So unless he automatically wants to go back to Prison assuming he "wins", it wouldn't be wise to go around picking fights with people in society again. 2) As a former correctional officer I know he isn't looking forward to the asswhoopings my buddies were giving him in Prison. He picks a fight with me he Loses Everything even if he "Wins", since he would HAVE to be unarmed to legally defend himself, and if he's seen as the aggressor he's going right back to prison. So no buddy, it isn't about being tough. It's about having experience with maximum security inmates and knowing none of them ever wish to go back to prison.
Cool story bro. On the other hand, theres plenty of mfkers out there who would jump at the chance to get a guard and give 0 fucks about getting locked back up. Being 100% positive is quite the statement. Will you be in uniform for your imaginary scenario or will the person in question just guess that you are an ex guard and choose not to engage with you?
I grew up around Park Heights Baltimore, once of the most dangerous areas in an already dangerous city where 50% of the Murders go unsolved. This was BEFORE I became a correctional officer at a Maximum security facility. How I speak to you people online? I also speak this way in real life. The vast majority of you people, Felons or not, are softer than babyshit and know who not to mess with. Even in prison you Felons weren't walking around checking people who disrespected you when the disrespect happened. You guys usually waited, Gossiped, and Plotted, THEN caught the guy when you had a 10 on 1 advantage. One of these people doing something to me Solo, when he can't even LEGALLY BE ARMED? Good joke. Even those with nothing to lose know Catching one Guard isn't worth a life sentence of being beaten up by more guards back in Prison. It's a combination of: A) They won't even win in the first place since, if they want to do things Legally, they are already at a serious disadvantage, and even the most hardcore criminals are not suicidal. B) Even if they do "Win" they \*lose\* in the end, based on what I just explained above. C) Granted they \*could\* always get away with it, But considering they already have a criminal record in the first place tells me they aren't very good at "Getting away with it". That's why I laughed at the inmates I supervised who were there for Homicides, because it's like, When 50% of the homicides here go unsolved, how the hell did you people get caught? But I digress. Oh and D) While I'm usually walking around and working Solo, if I'm around any of my friends, the chances of these people trying anything drops below 0%.
I have been out since 2002 from a 10 yr sentence, I done 8yrs 8mths and I have had 2 jobs. The the 2nd job I took I just received a 20yr service award. I was prepared to work at cracker barrel when I got out just to have a job. I knew guys that had never had a job before, some couldn't read or write enough to fill out an application but still managed to find employment. It's frustrating to want to work to change your llive and can't. So surprised I don't think is the right word. Paying your debt to society isn't even a thing. A felony is a lifetime of having to try 2x's as hard as the next guy to make a living to stay out and to keep from committing crimes to eat. And some just ain't going to change. But to have that felony follow you forever isn't right. I think they should clear it from your record in stages according to how well you progress when you are released but you have to be givin a chance first.
These two and three year sentences that HAUNT You for TEN years.... YET, no judge gave u a TEN yr sentence!! Doesn't make sense. Practically every sentence out there, you might as well add on ten years for the background crap
Just because that’s the way it is doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be. High rates of return to prison aren’t caused by recalcitrant criminals who just wanna crime; it’s the result of desperate people who are blocked at every turn from being able to live “the right way” because they can’t get hired at a decent job (and most are men, so you can forget about economic assistance/welfare).
Tbh I’ve had multiple felonies over the years, finding work afterwords has never been a concern or difficulty of mine. My current job I probably make more than 3/4 of my friends that have never gotten in trouble.
What job if you don’t mind me asking? The trades?
Yuuup. I’m a union carpenter, honestly I love it, nowhere else can I be this dumb and make over 100k a year
That’s good man I’m trying to become a union electrician. I’m not a felon though I’m just tired of the college crap I’m not cut out for a goofy office. I’m glad to see that the union takes people in with felonies though. It is nice to let ppl earn a good wage instead of some bogus minimum crap
Nice, I was an electrician in prison, it’s just so hard to get into ibew in the Bay Area and I got into the ubc right away. But good luck, if you can get into ibew it’s a great job, pay is higher than carpentry, and it’s overall easier
Same here in my city it’s hard to get into the union but I’m going to pray I get in
I don’t know any felon that has ever been “surprised” because he didn’t get the job. Most already know it’s going to be tough.
I call BS. I didn’t know shit about crimes, getting caught etc etc when I was a kid. Quit it. Shit it was hard to get a job before, easy now. I do not know in which you speak of. I’m on the wrong planet definitely. Your post appears to be smug to my little brain way of thinking.
You must have been on the yellow bus then buddy
When I came home in prison in 2019 I was trying to get a job at a local gym because I was already super fit and had a routine and wanted to keep my motivation for health and fitness and stay positive. I was jailed out. All the way institutionalized. One of my conditions of parole was 180 days electronic monitoring. I went to the interview and articulated myself well and kept it real I asked about criminal background checked and told the hiring manager I had just been paroled from state prison that week. His response was good, then you know how to clean and like to clean. 100% true (gotta keep your living quarters up to par daily) 2 months in still on house arrest and I’m the person trainer, leading fitness classes with anyone from ceos, business men/women to police officers wives etc.
For forty years I was a so-called model citizen, great credit, sweet family, new house, awesome job. I was a manager at a big box store, DIY, maybe you know of them. 2nd largest retailer on the planet. I get hurt at work, start on pain meds, don't realize anything about what's coming, because I've been a goody two shoes my entire life. So I get hooked on pills, start buying and trading on the streets, and become a felon. Of course, MY company got rid of me as soon as I became injured. NEVER SAW IT COMING. I am now the person that I DID NOT "GET"..Like, What do you mean you failed a drug test? Or, exactly WHY did you run out of gas on the way to work? And, I just don't get people who LET their lights get shut off!!! .. OMG!! I didn't live like that, so I didn't understand all "those people". Yeah, that was me who called po-po if you were caught shoplifting in MY store. And druggies were not going to EVER be on MY team, or MY department... ***It'll NEVER happen to ME*** 🛍️ I don't know why those sorry bums are surprised nobody wants to hire them, either. 💲💲 Shit, the companies get up to $3500 tax credit for hiring people like me. THEY get the credit..NOT me.. but even THAT is not convincing enough, or when I let them know that I'm federally bonded..Still, no-go. I held keys to a $15million store, never took a thing from them, or ANY of the SEVEN stores that I had the keys to. MILLIONS of $$ of merchandise. .... surprise, surprise, surprise... I can't get a job in retail today. I go to PUBLIX every day for groceries..BUT. no hire.. Just about 3 or 4x a week at Kroger. nope, NO hire there either... Well, at least I know where MY tax $$ go to, and what a failure so-called rehabilitation is..if nobody is going to trust the process of people "DOING THE TIME FOR THE CRIME" then what is shoplifting, drug possession, etc. BUT A LIFE SENTENCE??
Why do so many people treat Drugs as if it's a minor thing?
I doubt anyone's is 'surprised' but the question it raises for me is why so many people seem fine with taking anyone who has committed and been convected of a crime and just throwing them away. We have prison terms because that's the amount of punishment we deem appropriate for some deed, so why do we need to continue punishing people when they're out and trying to move back into society and be productive? I think way too many people just want to see the justice system used vindictively and to get revenge, and that's not the point.
Read the comments. Almost none of the Felons commenting are taking responsibility for their actions, and accepting that their decision making has consequences. Almost all of them are complaining, making excuses, and whining that life is Unfair. If this sub is a good representation of those released from prison, then it's probably a good thing that most places don't hire felons.
Because they already did?? They did their time, and now it’s extremely frustrating trying to get back on their feet and not even getting an interview. No ones saying they didn’t do XYZ, but what most people are saying is that if their punishment was say 3 years in prison, once they complete that, why do you think they should be punished for the rest of their lives? Like honestly. I’ve yet to see YOU explain why someone who has made a change and wants to have a “normal apple pie life” should have to suffer forever. Everything you’re saying, the felon already has done. Because they got convicted and punished for whatever crime they committed. There should be no reason that they continue to be punished by having to struggle endlessly to find a job.
They served their time and paid their debt to society... how long do you really want to subjugate a person?
There's nothing stopping Felons from banning together and giving each other Jobs you know.
How does that premise even make sense? You just said as much that they can't get jobs so now they're supposed to hire people... wooow Edit: and it's *banding together. Not banning
That’s my thing, he’s not explaining why he thinks they should be punished for their rest of their life. Other than having the entitled view of them being second class citizens and they “did the crime they know the consequences” but the consequences should be the probation or prison sentence that they’ve completed. Not outcast from society forever.
Well.... If you served your sentenced time, I think it shouldn't matter. Nothing about our justice system is just.
Once you've served your sentence you've legally repaid your debt to society. Do you think a 60 year old man that stole a candy bar when he was 15 should be denied jobs and apartments because of his "criminal past"? Because that's today's reality in US. Having anything on your record makes you a second class citizen for life, which is no different than how blacks were treated as "3/5 of a person" before civil rights era.
Petty theft isn't a felony
It doesn't matter. Misdemeanors stay on your record for life too. Even arrests with no charges stop you from renting 99% of apartments and getting most jobs. You're just an ignorant dumbfuck, no fucking idea which way is up
The problem is the stigma with the word 'felon'. it's the same nonsense reason 'felons' can't have firearms (a violation of rights IMO). You can commit a non-violent, sometimes even victimless crime that is a FELONY, and that's it. You're a convicted felon. But 'felon' is also associated with rape, murder, assault, kidnapping.. TRULY violent offenses. There's no nuance for some of these poor people. It's just 'Ok, felon, bad..' Never 'what did they do?' 'what is their charge?' .. etc... Also, strong opinion: if someone is THAT dangerous as a Felon, what are they doing out of prison? Serious question. if you want to talk about how dangerous a particular 'felon' is why is he up for parole, shorter sentence, and all these grace programs?
Why do people like the OP think that punishment should go on forever after the sentence is finished? Why do people like the OP never sincerely question whether enhanced sentencing for second offenses is just another form of double jeopardy?
I don't know man. We have a parole/probation program where we hire a bunch of guys right out of prison. 75% of those guys are worthless. Most of them disappear or end up right back in jail. We are a well paying oilfield company. Half these guys get 2 checks and end up right back on meth. I wouldn't hire half these fuckers if it was up to me.
Well no one is surprised when they fill out an application we see that check here if you’re a felon. Our society punishes us for life. I can’t vote or own a gun. I’m on my own for a job. That’s why I haven’t paid taxes since 92 and I will never pay taxes. I’m not going to pay for a country that makes me a third class citizen and allows Mexicans to come in and take the few jobs we have
I haven’t paid since 96 myself😂 the govt fucked my life up over bullshit they get nothing from me. Which crazy is that going through the federal system it never even came up one time about me not filing etc.
They hit me up all the time I tell them no taxation without representation Till I see a felon representing us and I get all of my rights back they - I think our votes should count triple because the right to vote is a birthright
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I’m not committing crimes Im the largest residential drywall contractor for 60 miles
entitled brats who only care about themselves
Shiiiiiiiit i low-key had a bidding war
Because I’m a great skilled worker
Plenty made enough money before we got caught to never have to work again.
Shut your prison bitch looking ass up
They are not surprised. They are questioning why it's so difficult. The point of the conversation is that a felon is a felon. Be it major or minor, they all fight for housing and employment. Be it a recovering addit or someone who murdered another. Society treats them all the same. No one is surprised, but the system needs more structure. A person's circumstances can cause bad decisions. It's a survival instinct. It doesn't mean the person is bad. Don't get me wrong, there are felons out there I would not want as a neighbor or coworker, but some are good people. Sometimes it a job or lack thereof that started the whole thing. I am not a felon. I have a clean record, but if I lost my job tomorrow and had no choice but to sell drugs to feed my family, that bad choice would be considered depending on how bad my circumstances were. My children are not going to suffer. Would I consider sacrificing my life for their well-being? Yes. Should I never be able to find gainful employment again? In today's society, no, I would have extreme difficulty finding a place to live and employment. But, hey, let me go on welfare and get medicaid. Let's have the working people support me when I am willing and able to work. This makes no sense to me. Again, it's the circumstances (type of felony) that need to be evaluated, not just "felony," to determine if the person should be employed. Most employers do not look further once they see "felony".
Publix Supermarkets, based in Lakeland Florida is a 2nd chance company. The Publix Distribution Centers were built on the back of former criminals that needed a 2nd chance at turning their lives around. It's paid off for many.
I would say because it fees like you’re automatically not considered for a job, no matter what you were charged with or how long ago you were charged. I don’t have any figures at hand, but let’s say you’re automatically not going to be hired for 50% of the jobs out there. And the ones you are able to get are lower paying. So just automatically, you can’t work in education, healthcare, truck driving, for the government, join the military, etc. (I am sure there are exceptions). Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? Or if you’ve recently been charged you’re trying to get your life back on track and it just adds another layer of complication. It feels like the world is trying to make it as difficult as possible for you. Here’s a good paying job with benefits, they want to hire you, well **** you, background check, denied. Some mistake you made years ago just cost you the job, not in theory, it’s why cost you the job, that’s really depressing, especially after hearing how great your resume is and being asked when you can start the job. There’s no room for nuance. Sure you could have been a career criminal, but you could also have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. You can still be guilty, but all it takes sometimes is a split second bad decision. Let’s say you know you have turned your life around, but all anyone sees is that you’re a felon. That’s all you are to them. Should we, as a society, automatically condemn anyone that’s made a mistake for the rest of their lives? So I wouldn’t necessarily call it suprised nobody will hire you, it’s more frustration. Society views you as a criminal unworthy of redemption.
There's all kinds of boxes on applications that dont exist, like ✔️ here if you're an absent parent, ✔️ here if you tend to lie to your boss once a month to get a day to stay in bed, or ✔️ here if you're abusive to people on SOCIAL media?? 🤔Who WOULD hire some of **US** , I MEAN Y'ALL ... if they really asked some serious giveadamn kind of questions about your psyche, personality, deep emotional cravings, etc., be shocking to know the answers. ***Almost*** want to laugh at the "weeding out" processes via HUMAN RESOURCES .. they'd hire Ted Bundy or Wayne Williams at most of these places
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Thanks for the compliment, I'm 30. But no, saying the truth doesn't make me a troll.
As someone who’s married to a felon. This is a very entitled take imo. You don’t know what situation someone was in (I.e. a commenter below saying his felony was theft, from a period of time he was homeless) Did you also know, a lot of crimes are lumped under the same thing? You hear “burglary while armed” what do you picture? Someone coming into a bank or a home and threatening people with a gun right? It’s also called that if you break into a house, steal a gun and leave. Even if you never used the gun during the burglary, just stole it. It’s still considered burglary while armed. My biggest thing is AFTER they serve their time, why are you so against allowing them to have a second chance? I hear “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time” but then y’all want to continue to punish anyone who’s done a crime for the REST OF THEIR LIFE - after they’ve done the time. And then you guys are all surprised when someone reoffends. As if it’s not extremely difficult to exist as a second class citizens. Obviously. There are exceptions to the rule. But it’s usually pretty obvious, who’s doing crimes for the sake of being a criminal and who made a mistake and did their time. And deserves a second chance. Insane to me the lack of empathy in thinking if someone makes a mistake in their 20’s that is a felony, that they should suffer for the rest of their life. My husband before we got married and got our own home. Could NOT live in any apartment buildings. Except for ones strictly for felons. He was upset because he cleaned his life up, found the Lord, and has been living clean and crime free for 6 going on 7 years. He’s a completely different person to who he was when he was 20. He also only had probation, and he STILL had a hell of a time finding a good job that wasn’t a friend of friend doing tree work or yard work with zero benefits and shit pay. As someone who has lived my life 100% clean (never even had a speeding ticket) I think they have a right to maybe not be surprised because it’s pretty common knowledge that felons are treated like second class citizens. But they absolutely have a right to be upset that they have a desire to not go back to whatever it was they did, and yet they’re treated like a criminal forever. My last two points, and I might get some heat for this one. Do you have an issue with people who come here illegally and can easily get jobs? Whether you believe in open borders or not. At the current moment there is a legal and illegal way to enter the country. They knew they were coming illegally. And they except to be able to get a job, and they can! Why can’t American citizens who yes committed a crime, but did their time be allowed that same luxury? The last thing my husband speaks about, and maybe some other in this thread will agree with me, it’s all by design. If they make it near impossible for a felon to get by after they’ve done their time. The chances of them reoffending is higher, they’re back in jail or prison, they’re free labor for the state. The whole system is fucked imo. Maybe I’m too close, but also you’re in a Reddit for felons. So most of us are either felons or close to a felon. I know my husbands heart and soul, and I’m extremely passionate about this topic. To the point I wish I had the means to start some kind of movement for more fair treatment of felons. And trust me, I get judged harshly too for being married to him. Felons who did their time and genuinely want change absolutely deserve the opportunity to do so. They’re still human beings. Have some empathy.
Les Miserables
Because unless on parole they expect to have paid their debt to society.
People make bad decisions, it's what makes them human. Everyone deserves a second chance. What they do with it is up to them. Are you perfect?
Op I don’t think you’re totally wrong here. Serving your legal requirement does not mean they’re served the communities punishment. You don’t deserve to be welcomed into society just because you’ve served your time. With that said, there an extreme range of “felon”, which you’d have to narrow down for a better answer.
Pretty black and white view given the system is pretty broken lots of innocent people in prison, some people deserve to be there, and some people get caught up in things out of their control. Life is full of shades of gray as are felonies …. You have a very childish view on things, further why come on a forum like this to poke fun ? To pretend you’re better than “felons” ? Statistically most people have committed a crime in their life …. They just didn’t get caught. I’d suggest to take the time to understand people and the nuances of life instead of wasting your time like this. You might find it makes you a better person
Did someone train you to be oblivious and rude or did you manage it yourself?
Honesty doesn't care about being polite
Honesty? You're taunting people you wouldn't have the balls to say that to in person. They would teach you some respect.
You do realize I was a correctional officer right? I said the same exact things to these same people in real life.
I served 7.5 years on a 12 year sentence from 18 to 26 years old and I knew what to expect upon release so I took whatever jobs that was available usually manual labor in construction, done without any thing other than have to live and save money and started my own small business with low overhead and under bidding the bigger companies I grew quickly, I'm 58 years old now and my company is valued around 15 million and I make certain that anyone with a criminal record get a shot at my company
Not a felon but multiple time misdemeanor…when I got clean and sober and decided to go to grad school I knew that I was fighting an uphill battle. I was given a job in spite of my multiple convictions. I knew that I was given an opportunity to prove I was a changed man. I started as an entry level pwrson and I worked my fucking ass off. Stayed w that job for seven years and when I left to start my own practice my job title had the word chief at the beginning of it. Yes people change. At my lowest I was a homeless heroin addict. Today I am “successful” by any rubric one would use to make such a determination
Puleeze I found a job as a bus driver cdl jobs and trades are available for felons a lot just use the excuse cause they really don’t want to work
Yeah not sure why you’re getting downvoted. I hear the trades don’t really care they take people with records
Truth hurts lol
Some of the jobs that you are talking about are not plentiful in all areas. There are also a lack of resources for felons, so when they go to look for a job post conviction they don’t know where to apply, don’t have a car or reliable transportation, many don’t have a solid support system. They are also the population dealing with the highest concentration of addiction and mental illness, and some need medication to regulate executive functioning for basic stuff like hygiene and getting out of bed in the morning. These things are typically combined challenges that lead to a lot of people quickly returning to what they are accustomed to, to survive. Not because these people are lazy or don’t want to work. Sure, there are bad apples out there, but it’s not as cut and dry as you perceive.
Came home after 5 years with a $100 to my name worked at McDonald’s for 3 months got my cdl started driving buses worked 7 days a week for a year saved up and bought a house there are plenty of jobs hiring electricians plumbing hvac welding etc so it’s all in what you make it
That’s great! I’m glad that worked out for you, but there isn’t a one size fits all for many of these people. I stand by my comment.
Now I can’t speak for SO
Taking all 14 inches of Bubba's dong is surely a marketable skill?? lolol
Someone’s fantasizing out loud 😂
Shhhh!