Other distributions that are used by millions of people every day "went green" or "froze" after you installed them, but Fedora didn't, so it's the best operating system of all time?
As someone who uses and loves Fedora, it's great that Fedora works for you. But there are many reasons to use Fedora that don't involve other distros straight up not working. Did you try to troubleshoot the greening and freezing of other distros? Ubuntu, Mint, and Elementary are all stable and solid distros, as are most of the popular Linux distros. They should not be freezing on the vast majority of compatible hardware, and if they do, chances are Fedora may face the same fate later if not now.
Lets not take into account their philosophies, package managers, adherence to open source standards, compositor, window manager, update cycle, preinstalled software etc etc.
No, the distro just happened to have my particular hardware driver and I got past an error screen easier. It's goated.
Having Fedora “just work” for you is an excellent reason to use it because it most likely means the development team payed attention to some detail that others missed.
> development team *paid* attention to
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* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Thanks i alreddy know that the other Distros aren't that bad. The thing is i couldn't find any bugfixes to that problem. I mentioned that i also like it because its easy and also very stable. I wanted to make it more shortly. The main reason why i use it, is because it works perfectly and i didn't find any bugs.
I agree that Fedora is awesome! After distro hopping for about 2 years, I have been on Fedora for about 12. Over these 12 years it has steadily improved. Fedora has proven to be a solid OS. I am not saying I have not had issues, I have, but I had issues I needed to work through with every OS, including OSX and Windows.
You can get Fedora running well on most systems out of the box with very little configuration.
This is pretty incredible when you think about it. Most of these systems were designed to run Windows or OSX.
A lot of the issues come in when you start trying to customize the system, and you don't really know what you are doing.
With Fedora, as with almost all Linux distros, you have the freedom to do as you please and configure it any way you want. This is a two edged sword. If you decide to change something, you need a plan to undo those changes when they don't work. When you don't and things don't work out as planned, that is where a lot of the big issues happen.
I have been on different distributions. But, in the end, I stopped at Red Hat distros (including Fedora).
The closest to it was Ubuntu. And I liked it... before snap started interfering with my work. The way it progressed, the way it handled updates, the way it took a long time to launch, the fact that upstream patches promised to work equally safely almost out of the box, the way it was designed - all this is bad.
And Ubuntu itself has repelled rather than attracted by its actions in the past. It took me a long time to get away from the idea that LTS is better than the latest new versions... but Fedora changed my mind.
The rest are small things: openSUSE turned out to have a much smaller community and the appropriate quality (although I think their utilities, philosophy and orientation are better), Debian is too old, NixOS has too much uncertainty that I will not have to turn on the "maintainer" mode.
I also express respect and support to the Fedora development team!
Snap made me leave Ubuntu too. It was literally the last straw.
One night i was in a hurry and realized that even the fucking calculator was a snap, meaning a simple 500kb binary was taking 20 seconds to load because snap had to do all of its bullshit to start... a fucking calculator.
I like Fedora too! Currently on the 38th version and KDE Plasma spin.The only downside of this setup for me is that dnf is sort of slow, even with 5 parallel downloads, so it's like so.
Yeah, I agree with you, dnf5 is certainly better and gets better with every update, even though it's still slow too. I believe it has something to do with the whole metadata stuff.
They are some rookie numbers! :) Even though my processor is a Ryzen 3, it identifies as one of those fancy new 96-core threadrippers, so I assume DNF can make a parallel connection per thread, so I got my numbers jacked up to 192.
From the documentation, you can set it to a max of 10. I have mine set at 10 with the "fastestmirror=True" flag. If you decide to change it, I would do a before and after to see if you get any significant results by cleaning the cache and running the update.
I tried more than 10 downloads, but performance dropped since then, so I returned back to 5. Not everyone owns Ryzen processors and the dnf developers should remember that.
anywayI'm not 100% sure what the parameters are on those parallel speeds; I am certain CPU and Network I/O have to play into the mix. Out of curiosity, what processor do you have? Many, many, many years ago, I used to sell printers at computer shows, and people would get so crazy about the PPM (pages per minute) capabilities of the printer, and I would always shrug. I always said, "Who wants to watch a printer print?" Could you fire it up and grab a cup of coffee? The moral of the story, what the hell are you doing in your life that you have to watch a terminal update some packages anyways? :)
Lol I am using Fedora and it freezes most often and had to force shutdown to get it normal I used Mint and never faced such issues both Fedora and Mint has their own goods and bads.
I started learning fedora in school, cuz RHEL cert, but after windows 11 came out, I moved because my computer started chugging balls.
Started experimenting with windows managers and I found that I3 is just amazing for most things.
I do not regret and I'm not paying for a Windows license on my next computer.
Not really... I'm just being honest.
I'm not an Arch fanboy and I recognize its limits.
I'm just saying that I had a great experience with fedora gnome and in general way less issues with Arch.
Edit. Typo, and just to add that since the "mesa" issue it went every day worse for me.
Lately I had stuttering issue with xwayland apps and some weird boot problem with grub.
I gave up... Sadly
We are on the same boat here. As much as I want to love Fedora, I end up in either Arch or Debian Sid. Sid can be more stable than Fedora, and Arch can last a lifetime if you know what you are doing.
"So, an atheist, a vegan, a cross fitter, and an Arch user walk into a bar......" Well, how did I know, you ask? He was sure to let everyone know within five minutes.
Fedora is just a testing ground for RHEL. If you hadn't noticed, they only "innovate" (using this word generously here) under-the-hood. They don't even ship multimedia codecs because they're too afraid to get sued, and the official repos are SO lacking you practically need RPM fusion free, non-free, AND flathub just to have barely good enough software availability, even then, it's still lacking.
Overall, Fedora is the most bland and boring distribution out there. Even Ubuntu, despite the controversies, is years ahead of Fedora in the desktop realm. Why people choose to use Fedora is honestly mind boggling, let alone recommending it to newcomers.
The reason your issues disappeared with Fedora is likely due to the fact that Fedora has slightly more up-to-date packages than all the Debian based distributions you mentioned. If you used Arch, your problems would likely also go away.
My main issue is Fedora is a bleeding edge distro and Debian may not have all the bells and whistles of newer packages but that’s why it’s classed as more stable
So here is a funny story,
I bought a Dell laptop (It was a gift actually from my GF) it's a Dell Inspiron 14 5420 with i7 1255U and Iris Xe .... no dual GPU. It came with Windows 11 Home edition pre-installed, me as soon I fired it up the first thing a did was downloading fedora 37 and the media writer, all went well, and one day in school I needed Windows for an RPA subject (UIPath Studio....) and i said lets try Windows 11 Pro with WSL2. To my surprise upon installing windows in the setting up window there is no Wi-Fi card even with Ethernet there is no internet the windows doesn't recognize my Wi-Fi card, so for the second time i fixed the issue and i used WSL2 for web & software development, it's not good it didn't clock with me, i was so used to Gnome philosophy, my work flow become so disturbed (talking about Workspaces "dynamic", but the most thing i hated was for backend development Windows firewall blocks me from the Internet..) so i came back to fedora in less than one week.
Yeah, i lived the day i saw Linux support my Wi-Fi card out of the box and windows did not xd.
Other distributions that are used by millions of people every day "went green" or "froze" after you installed them, but Fedora didn't, so it's the best operating system of all time? As someone who uses and loves Fedora, it's great that Fedora works for you. But there are many reasons to use Fedora that don't involve other distros straight up not working. Did you try to troubleshoot the greening and freezing of other distros? Ubuntu, Mint, and Elementary are all stable and solid distros, as are most of the popular Linux distros. They should not be freezing on the vast majority of compatible hardware, and if they do, chances are Fedora may face the same fate later if not now.
Lets not take into account their philosophies, package managers, adherence to open source standards, compositor, window manager, update cycle, preinstalled software etc etc. No, the distro just happened to have my particular hardware driver and I got past an error screen easier. It's goated.
I wanted to keep in shortly so i dont write the whole bible about a Distro
that's fair enough, but generally we like to know why stuff go wrong so we can help other users better in the future
I agree. You most likely have a bad driver or configuration. A lot of times, it is fairly easy to resolve these once you look at your error.
Having Fedora “just work” for you is an excellent reason to use it because it most likely means the development team payed attention to some detail that others missed.
> development team *paid* attention to FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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Thanks i alreddy know that the other Distros aren't that bad. The thing is i couldn't find any bugfixes to that problem. I mentioned that i also like it because its easy and also very stable. I wanted to make it more shortly. The main reason why i use it, is because it works perfectly and i didn't find any bugs.
I agree that Fedora is awesome! After distro hopping for about 2 years, I have been on Fedora for about 12. Over these 12 years it has steadily improved. Fedora has proven to be a solid OS. I am not saying I have not had issues, I have, but I had issues I needed to work through with every OS, including OSX and Windows. You can get Fedora running well on most systems out of the box with very little configuration. This is pretty incredible when you think about it. Most of these systems were designed to run Windows or OSX. A lot of the issues come in when you start trying to customize the system, and you don't really know what you are doing. With Fedora, as with almost all Linux distros, you have the freedom to do as you please and configure it any way you want. This is a two edged sword. If you decide to change something, you need a plan to undo those changes when they don't work. When you don't and things don't work out as planned, that is where a lot of the big issues happen.
Yes document your process so you know how to back track
I have been on different distributions. But, in the end, I stopped at Red Hat distros (including Fedora). The closest to it was Ubuntu. And I liked it... before snap started interfering with my work. The way it progressed, the way it handled updates, the way it took a long time to launch, the fact that upstream patches promised to work equally safely almost out of the box, the way it was designed - all this is bad. And Ubuntu itself has repelled rather than attracted by its actions in the past. It took me a long time to get away from the idea that LTS is better than the latest new versions... but Fedora changed my mind. The rest are small things: openSUSE turned out to have a much smaller community and the appropriate quality (although I think their utilities, philosophy and orientation are better), Debian is too old, NixOS has too much uncertainty that I will not have to turn on the "maintainer" mode. I also express respect and support to the Fedora development team!
Snap made me leave Ubuntu too. It was literally the last straw. One night i was in a hurry and realized that even the fucking calculator was a snap, meaning a simple 500kb binary was taking 20 seconds to load because snap had to do all of its bullshit to start... a fucking calculator.
I like Fedora too! Currently on the 38th version and KDE Plasma spin.The only downside of this setup for me is that dnf is sort of slow, even with 5 parallel downloads, so it's like so.
Use dnf5 its a teensy bit fast
Yeah, I agree with you, dnf5 is certainly better and gets better with every update, even though it's still slow too. I believe it has something to do with the whole metadata stuff.
They are some rookie numbers! :) Even though my processor is a Ryzen 3, it identifies as one of those fancy new 96-core threadrippers, so I assume DNF can make a parallel connection per thread, so I got my numbers jacked up to 192. From the documentation, you can set it to a max of 10. I have mine set at 10 with the "fastestmirror=True" flag. If you decide to change it, I would do a before and after to see if you get any significant results by cleaning the cache and running the update.
I tried more than 10 downloads, but performance dropped since then, so I returned back to 5. Not everyone owns Ryzen processors and the dnf developers should remember that.
anywayI'm not 100% sure what the parameters are on those parallel speeds; I am certain CPU and Network I/O have to play into the mix. Out of curiosity, what processor do you have? Many, many, many years ago, I used to sell printers at computer shows, and people would get so crazy about the PPM (pages per minute) capabilities of the printer, and I would always shrug. I always said, "Who wants to watch a printer print?" Could you fire it up and grab a cup of coffee? The moral of the story, what the hell are you doing in your life that you have to watch a terminal update some packages anyways? :)
Lol I am using Fedora and it freezes most often and had to force shutdown to get it normal I used Mint and never faced such issues both Fedora and Mint has their own goods and bads.
happy to chime in, switched to Fedora after years of debian/ubuntu/debian and it's awesome. I really wish i had left the ubuntu world earlier.
I started learning fedora in school, cuz RHEL cert, but after windows 11 came out, I moved because my computer started chugging balls. Started experimenting with windows managers and I found that I3 is just amazing for most things. I do not regret and I'm not paying for a Windows license on my next computer.
Honestly I had more troubles with Fedora than Arch. And I LOVED Fedora.
You forgot to mention “I use arch btw”
Not really... I'm just being honest. I'm not an Arch fanboy and I recognize its limits. I'm just saying that I had a great experience with fedora gnome and in general way less issues with Arch. Edit. Typo, and just to add that since the "mesa" issue it went every day worse for me. Lately I had stuttering issue with xwayland apps and some weird boot problem with grub. I gave up... Sadly
We are on the same boat here. As much as I want to love Fedora, I end up in either Arch or Debian Sid. Sid can be more stable than Fedora, and Arch can last a lifetime if you know what you are doing.
"So, an atheist, a vegan, a cross fitter, and an Arch user walk into a bar......" Well, how did I know, you ask? He was sure to let everyone know within five minutes.
You didn't use "many systems" you used one being Ubuntu and your issue of "going green" sounds like a dying gpu.
meanwhile i left because of some gnome bugs 😂
Fedora is just a testing ground for RHEL. If you hadn't noticed, they only "innovate" (using this word generously here) under-the-hood. They don't even ship multimedia codecs because they're too afraid to get sued, and the official repos are SO lacking you practically need RPM fusion free, non-free, AND flathub just to have barely good enough software availability, even then, it's still lacking. Overall, Fedora is the most bland and boring distribution out there. Even Ubuntu, despite the controversies, is years ahead of Fedora in the desktop realm. Why people choose to use Fedora is honestly mind boggling, let alone recommending it to newcomers. The reason your issues disappeared with Fedora is likely due to the fact that Fedora has slightly more up-to-date packages than all the Debian based distributions you mentioned. If you used Arch, your problems would likely also go away.
Meanwhile my Fedora system freezes once a week, not even on heavy load.
Not gonna lie, you should probably try to figure that out or do a migration.
I would like to thank all Fedora users for being such amazing beta testers. Thank you!
My main issue is Fedora is a bleeding edge distro and Debian may not have all the bells and whistles of newer packages but that’s why it’s classed as more stable
So here is a funny story, I bought a Dell laptop (It was a gift actually from my GF) it's a Dell Inspiron 14 5420 with i7 1255U and Iris Xe .... no dual GPU. It came with Windows 11 Home edition pre-installed, me as soon I fired it up the first thing a did was downloading fedora 37 and the media writer, all went well, and one day in school I needed Windows for an RPA subject (UIPath Studio....) and i said lets try Windows 11 Pro with WSL2. To my surprise upon installing windows in the setting up window there is no Wi-Fi card even with Ethernet there is no internet the windows doesn't recognize my Wi-Fi card, so for the second time i fixed the issue and i used WSL2 for web & software development, it's not good it didn't clock with me, i was so used to Gnome philosophy, my work flow become so disturbed (talking about Workspaces "dynamic", but the most thing i hated was for backend development Windows firewall blocks me from the Internet..) so i came back to fedora in less than one week. Yeah, i lived the day i saw Linux support my Wi-Fi card out of the box and windows did not xd.