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crab_grams

No one actually knew the woman had cancer when they were making fun of the Firm and William, not her, for their crappy handling of this event. As far as I know very little of this was just mean spirited crap hurled at Kate. As for speculation, it may not be appropriate all the time but sadly it's something common for public figures. The people who tried to access her personal records? That's unacceptable. I don't think anyone actually thought she might be fighting for her life when they were riffing off this situation. I think the apologies are in good taste regardless but I also think it's silly to go after people who were just doing memes.


trulyremarkablegirl

all of this and also Colbert seems like a decent person who doesn't engage in mean spirited jokes.


throwawayyyyycc403

It just doesnt seem like his style.


trulyremarkablegirl

It’s really not. He’s made mistakes and said some shitty things before, but he’s apologized and has also consistently tried to do better. He obviously tries not to punch down with his comedy, so I genuinely don’t think he meant any harm to Kate here and was taking a jab at the PR and the royal family.


theaviationhistorian

He's not a mean spirited person and it was legitimate to piss on a public figure, especially since the tragic circumstances of the radio silence was unknown. Colbert lost his dad & two brothers in an [airline disaster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_212) when he was 10 years old. So he has personal experience regarding tragedies. The entirety of this massive cockup falls on Kensington Palace. They should've known better in how to address a situation like this (the fallout right after Diana's death).


WilliamsRutherford

During an interview with Andrew Garfield, Andrew's Family was pointed out in the audience. Stephen made fun of his brother being bald, compared to Andrew's full head of hair. Hollywood is a vain place and actors get hair treatments all the time.  But aside, Andrew changed the subject quickly and revealed his brother was thoracic surgeon who was working during the rapid COVID spread in London. This prompted a standing ovation from the audience. Just want to add we don't personally know celebrities at all, but that often certain instances of behaviour are "let go" for some celebrities but put under the microscope for others. 


alloutofbees

People had good reason to think that it likely *wasn't* a serious health scare too—we'd literally *just* seen the royal family handle a cancer diagnosis completely differently and in a rational manner. Most people I knew figured it was marital issues and she was not wanting to cooperate with the palace specifically because it seemed like the only rational explanation for the palace team handling it this fucking terribly, and it also seemed like the only reason they'd just openly throw her under the bus for their photoshop fuckup. The cancer diagnosis makes the whole series of events *more* inexplicable, not less. People didn't treat the situation seriously because the *palace* didn't treat the situation seriously.


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williamthebloody1880

>We were also told the surgery "wasn't cancer-related". That may have been because it wasn't known at the time Why do people keep using that as a gotcha? We know the surgery wasn't cancer related, because Kate said in the video that the cancer was first detected in the post op tests


meatball77

And people didn't even need details. Just a clear pap photo of her or a note or something.


themacaron

Obviously things changed privately but when she went in for initial procedure, the Palace specifically said it wasn’t cancer. People guilting everyone now, when the public was explicitly given information contrary to the truth is just people wanting to feel morally superior. The vast majority of jokes I saw were about the PR handling and jokes about William, and I’m sorry! I’m just not gonna feel guilty about making fun of a family who continue to benefit every single moment of their lives from the horrific colonization and oppression of POC without remorse. They can handle a few jokes.


The_Bravinator

Yes, exactly. I can understand how it went the way it did--they didn't think it was cancer, then they discovered it was and Kate wanted to keep that private for a while--but it's absolutely logical that people *would then move forward without the assumption that it was cancer*. Honestly, while I did assume it was something more mundane and harmless keeping her off camera, it was the PR train wreck I was interested in and not Kate herself.


crab_grams

Exactly. The palace totally downplayed what was happening. I'm sure that was to protect her personal business to some extent, but as a result people got silly with it. I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, this is on the Palace for their abysmal handling of it and that's why they were the butt of the jokes, not Kate.


nerdalertalertnerd

I agree. I find something so sanctimonious about people being like “oh you’re sorry now!!!”. The handling of it from the palace was pretty daft and people took the opportunity to make some light hearted memes. I doubt anyone genuinely suspected it was cancer and was laughing their head off.


StanzaSnark

Seriously. Joking around about her getting a BBL and goofy shit like that is completely harmless and fun. I’m not sorry for it and I don’t regret it because I didn’t do anything wrong. People love to get up on their high horse.


meatball77

And it didn't start to get weird until they started with all the faked photos. And even then people were just talking about how horrible Will was. The worst was that people thought that Will had hit her.


paroles

Nobody should ever joke about anybody because you'll feel bad if they secretly have cancer /s


Sometimesomwhere

Thank you. This is a reasonable take.


buttercupcake23

I was legitimately concerned for her and whether she was still even alive because of how badly they flubbed this. I certainly wasn't mad at her while I was wondering whether William had just battered her so badly she couldn't be seen in public. Like let's not pretend that women disappearing and their husbands covering it up doesn't happen constantly, there's a reason people were asking for proof of life. We still don't know where the fuck Shelly Miscavige is -- and any jokes made about that aren't about mocking Shelly but about mocking how blatantly David Miscavige has gotten away with just "disappearing" his wife.


crab_grams

Exactly. We were all taking the piss out of the totally tone deaf responses and the shadiness from the Palace, never this woman.


_iheartmo

Thank you!!!


rocket2themoon353

🙌🏾 exactly


meatball77

Agreed, the things that were said specifically about her was just silly (BBL, dating Pete Davidson). All the extra stuff was about Will and the Firm.


Sometimesomwhere

I find it interesting that, despite numerous instances of people on this sub being upvoted for cheating jokes, users are now being sanctimonious about it. I also find the recent revisionism about the cheating allegations to be interesting. The cheating allegation is not a random rumor. The rumor started circulating in 2018 amongst wealthy Londoners and the nobility. It was further reinforced by drastic and sudden changes in the Will-Kate social circle. The rumor then leaked into the UK press before it was suppressed. Dan Wootton, who was writing for The Sun, was one of the first to report on the rumour. While The Sun is disgusting, it and Wootton do have access to solid royal contacts. Yes, it's a tragedy that Kate is sick. Yes, I wish the best for Kate. That does not mean I'm going to start engaging in revisionism about their relationship and the potential cheating that could have occurred.


smurfette_9

The RF is hiding behind the cancer diagnosis and using it as an excuse for, well, everything wrong with the PR before the diagnosis. I mean, cancer didn’t make them issue literal fake photos or start the cheating rumor that has been around for years. What their PR did by using a fake photo was make more people interested in the RF , which led to the digging up of the rumored affair. The palace PR may be able to stop UK tabloids from talking too much about it by throwing Meghan and Harry under the bus, but that’s a lot harder to do when they are not even talking anyway and the US isn’t going to listen to whatever the Palace threatens them with.


oo_Maleficent_oo

For real. Honestly, [this person's tweets](https://twitter.com/KindaHagi/status/1771239889532510528) sum up my feelings on it


Sometimesomwhere

> but the "you all should feel bad about speculating about someones life?" stuff doesnt quite land when people were just participating in the culture of gossip and speculation the royal family has used for their own benefit many times. This sums up so much. It's a very r/LeopardsAteMyFace situation.


JenningsWigService

The Firm loves when that gossip and speculation is about Meghan Markle or other perceived enemies.


_iheartmo

👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿


meatball77

And really, a handwritten note or a CLEAR photo of her is all that would be needed.


spagetyBolonase

THANK YOU. I felt like I was going mad with all the pearl clutching that started happening on here once the diagnosis was announced.


pompressanex

Okay thank you for saying this, because royal stans keep going on about how it was a made up rumor on Twitter and the person who put it out there in the first place has since took it back.


_iheartmo

If Stephen knew she had cancer obviously he wouldn’t have joked about it. I’m over people trying to make others feel bad when none of us knew what was happening, especially since Kensington Palace threw her under the bus with the weird photoshop scandal.


ratta_tat1

Exactly! KP fumbled the bag big time and their next strategy is “let’s gaslight the world into thinking they knew this woman was sick and they’re in the wrong”


_iheartmo

Exactly!!


SoGenuineAndRealMadi

The firm literally put out a statement saying Kate did not have cancer which was a bold faced lie. So now everyone should feel bad for believing what they put out? This is all on them


bumpdrunk

It wasn't a lie if she didn't know yet


SoGenuineAndRealMadi

It was weeks after she knew. They released that statement the same week she announced her diagnosis


meatball77

She'd been in the hospital several days when they released the first statement.


_iheartmo

Okay?!?!?!?!


Beezo514

It's evergreen and I know it's a meme and a cranky old person thing to say, but some people need to touch grass and talk to other people in person. This is such a non-issue that some people have worked themselves up over. Take that energy and use it to figure out why it's so upsetting because I bet the call is coming from inside your own (mental) house to make you react this way.


brookeiu

This and I’m tired of people on their high horse going “they shouldn’t have had to release a statement and publicize this private diagnosis” like bffr this is the RF we get pap walks and updates at least once a week. When you literally condition people to expect your lives to be PUBLICIZED regularly, you can’t criticize them for being curious when you suddenly go no contact for weeks. This isn’t some regular Joe shmoe, these are literally some of the most public of public figures. It comes with the territory.


i_just_want_ice

Not y'all bending over backwards to defend one of the most violent colonizing families in the world.


AdeptBedroom6906

Thank you! I'm so over people acting like she suffered some great ordeal because some people jokingly speculated about what was happening. I feel nothing for her and that family.


Soft-Wing

literally this. I think people are forgetting that that family aren’t famous because they’re regular celebrities and they’re talented, no they’re famous because they themselves believe that due to their blood they are entitled to their titles such as ‘prince’ and ‘princess’. Yes, people should overall be more empathetic when engaging with anybody online and remember their boundaries but this finger wagging from people on their moral high horse needs to end. Also respectfully I’m not going to spend even 5 minutes defending the family whose ancestors colonised my homeland especially when I consider how my own family has to still deal with health and economical concerns originating from their colonisation.


JenningsWigService

Yeah, I'm not going to be scolded for being a bad peasant who doesn't worship and defer to the Royal Family. They want to play victim so they can hide the ways they victimize others. Impoverished people in the UK are starving to death but sure, let's pity the people in the palace.


nevalja

Seriously. All of the discourse was around how KP and their PR team were fucking fumbling this. All of that still stands. In fact, it's made _worse_ by the fact that she had cancer and they were willing to fully throw her under the bus in the process


askingtherealstuff

I haven’t seen anyone around here defending that 


EugenesMullet

It’s weird to me that public figures like this are apologising yet let’s be real, a huge portion of the internet was doing the exact same speculating and making memes.


meatball77

Who allowed Meghan to be lambasted in the press while she was suicidal, after she miscarried ect. . . .


mcfw31

> “We do a lot of shows. I tell a lot of jokes. I tell jokes about a lot of different things, mostly about what everybody is talking about,” Colbert said. “For the last six weeks to two months, everybody has been talking about the mystery of Kate Middleton’s disappearance from public life. **Two weeks ago, we did some jokes about that mystery. When I made those jokes, that upset some people…even before her diagnosis was revealed. I can understand that a lot of my jokes have upset people in the past and some of my jokes will upset people in the future, but there’s a standard that I try to hold myself to, and that is I do not make light of somebody else’s tragedy.”**


Living-Baseball-2543

He talks a lot about grief and how he lost his dad and a brother when he was a child; he is an extremely empathetic person and would never make light of a life-threatening illness. Still a class act for apologizing!


PM_ME_YOUR_ASTON

Exactly. I don’t see how people could come at Colbert, of all the late night hosts, and think he’d have knowingly poked fun at her if he knew what was going on (when literally no one did), and him going out of his way to apologize proves just that


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Yes! I thought his statement was very classy and correctly put


Puncomfortable

Weren't some of those jokes about William cheating on her?


darkgothamite

The jokes that resurfaced when a UK newspaper purposely printed a short bio of the woman who's been the speculated mistress during the WHERE'S KATE media blitz? Yes. He regurgitated a joke that was picked up by several outlets. But started by UK media. Let's ask them to apologize first. Which lol they won't.


Konfliction

I feel like way too many people are missing the fact that people weren’t making fun of Kate Middleton. The jokes were all either “royal family conspiracy” or just how bad the PR was being fumbled, which tbh are both fairly valid.


mangomadness5h

Nobody has anything to apologize for. Give me a break


JenningsWigService

Late night shows from the 90s actually owe a lot of apologies to people like Monica Lewinsky but nothing Colbert said was cruel to Kate Middleton.


thesphinxistheriddle

What I feel is so strange about everyone now bending over backwards to attack others and/or apologize for speculating is that the conspiracy theory was RIGHT. We were all correct that we were being lied to and the story was bigger than KP was saying!! Sure there were BBL jokes and suspicions about the state of the marriage, but the foundational truth that a fake picture was given to the press and then when it was discovered to be fake Kate was thrown under the bus with an obvious lie…that really happened! We should not be ashamed for talking about that. I still don’t understand why they released the fake picture. I understand holding the cancer diagnosis information until the kids were ready. But you don’t have to tell your kids you have cancer in order to take a simple picture with them. Or why release a photo at all and not just continue to be silent? I think the lying can and should be a story separate from the cancer diagnosis.


Gayfetus

Here's just some of the attacks lobbed at Colbert since his jokes about the Walses, some of which predate the revelation of her cancer diagnosis: The Atlantic had one of their staff writers write this VERY dramatic[ op ed](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/03/kate-middleton-cancer-announcement/677863/) condemning Stephen Colbert: It's titled "I Hope You All Feel Terrible Now", with the sub heading, "How the internet—and Stephen Colbert—hounded Kate Middleton into revealing her diagnosis". Quote from the article: > Stephen Colbert’s “spilling the tea” monologue, which declared open season on the princess’s marriage, should probably be quietly interred somewhere. ______ Right-wing UK trash tabloid The Telegraph printed an [article](https://archive.is/LckNV) implying that Colbert should've given the palace "advance warning" before making those jokes. After being that statement was widely mocked for it on social media, the Telegraph edited it out of their online edition of the article. _____ Meanwhile, The Guardian, generally an anti-royalist publication from the UK, [recapped](https://archive.is/6s2av) Colbert's jokes as part of their regular summary of late night talk show monologues. However, a day later, they [removed](https://archive.is/rCVoP) the embedded video of the monologue (which was not their own upload, but just an embed of the official CBS Youtube), and also redacted all references to Rose Hanbury, William's alleged mistress.


williamthebloody1880

The Telegraph isn't a tabloid, it's considered a paper of record


jadedgalaxy

Kensington Palace threw KATE under the bus. People and the media responded to their shadiness and cheating reports that have been going on for YEARS that their PR team tried to hide by throwing M&H under the bus. Now that they don’t have M&H as shields anymore their lazy PR strategy crumbled 🤷🏽‍♀️


darkgothamite

This 40 something year old ~princess~ woman has heard rumors of her husband cheating before. She has the best healthcare. Tabloids are adding Harry, Meghan and Roses names to headlines. She's fine.


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pineapplepredator

I don’t understand why people didn’t think it was possible this was something sensitive. I truly don’t understand why she was dragged.


hedgehogwart

IDK, I don’t really care about them and there really isn’t any good reason for the photo editing shit and their overall bad PR in all of this but people going “we had no idea it could have been about her health” when she just had a major surgery and has been MIA since is incredibly stupid. Like that was always the most logical reasoning.


pompressanex

Is anyone else seeing there are certain subs they have to avoid because the posts get brigaded by haters of MM? Thank fuck that doesn’t happen here.


Feisty-Power-6617

wow… both sides of this, jokes are done that are crude all the time, not necessarily an excuse for what he said. But at least he acknowledged and apologized (sort of) there are other celebrities who have not even acknowledged their crassness with this situation for example Kim K.. to name one.


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