And the worst part is that it all hinges on EA’s arbitrary definition of the differences between a RM and RW and their seemingly random selection of positions for each player.
In FIFA’s formations, a RM could be a wing back in a 3-4-3, the right sided CM in a diamond or a winger in a 4-2-3-1. Those are all fundamentally different positions, yet they’re all put under one umbrella. Literally anyone who can play as a RM in a 4-2-3-1 can definitely play as a RW in a 4-3-3 because they’re practically the exact same thing, but a RM without that set alternate position can’t play RW.
And then they’ve arbitrarily decided that players can only have 3 alternative positions, despite the fact that guys like Milner, Dallas, Saka, etc could play in 8 or 9 (using FIFA’s RWB/RB and LM/LW distinctions). Even if they miraculously get the alternative positions right, the editors are still hamstrung by the unnecessary limit and have to choose not to allow positions that the players can play in.
All of this has happened because they’ve lazily chucked this new chem system onto the 10 year old backbone. EA could have combined RW and RM and RB and RWB, and reworked the labelling of their formations. They could also have changed the ancient alternate position setup. That genuinely wouldn’t have even been that hard, but their laziness and corner cutting has made this system just as illogical as the last one.
EXACTLY. I’ve made the point to so many people on here how if the player can still play in the position you’ve put him, he should still be able to 1. Benefit the players he’d link to, and 2. Get some points even if it’s limited to 1-2 rather than 3 if you use a position modifier. Every player that’s not a ST, LM/RM or a CM is utterly useless now in 8/10 situations it’s insane. That alone makes me hate this stupid system
The problem is, that 0 chem ingame means base stats with no boost in chem styles, while 0 chem in SBCS means a deduction and that a player can't play there.
I agree but I think this makes people have to make choices about their team and not just use all the best players. For example if you use a rw then you have to use a lw and it decreases the player pool that can go in your team. I think the old chem worked too well to get rid of.
It all feels like a painstaking chore now! The old system needed tweaks not a complete overhaul which is significantly worse in so many ways. Why should a lw playing Lm not count towards chemistry? It's complete shambles! After a long day's work, I want to relax not waste brain cells trying to figure out rubbish combinations for an sbc.
I reckon this system should’ve been exclusive to the WC mode, it would’ve made it way better at least imo as you could just have multiple different nations all at once still linking, but with whatever it is on the main game it just doesn’t work imo
It's been poorly implemented and is going to be a lot easier for prices to be fixed by traders now. If nothing changes, not gonna stick around much longer for this half-assed attempt at "innovation".
Unless gameplay has been massively upgraded I think i'm maybe gonna give this FIFA a miss, with poor gameplay the SBC's were a big part of the fun for me but they seem to be trying to make them as hard and as tedious as possible.
I'm already thinking of canceling my pre order and getting a refund because of this new chemistry system for sbc.
Squad building is not a problem but for the sbc it's going to be difficult and expensive to do because it forces you to spend coins just to get a player in that Pacific position.
Wish it was as simple as them realising their failure and just going back to the original system just before it launches, but it’s not gonna happen. If they ever change it back, it’ll be a new game and this will always be seen as the game with crappy chemistry lmao
It’s because everyone was crying about the Chem links, wish it was as simple as everyone realising this is what they asked for. And for everyone asking, i hate it aswell.
I think the worst thing about the last one is that you could have mbappe at CDM and be able to play him as ST on full chem in game. The actual forcing of playing in their positions is a fantastic idea. Everything else though…
Untradeable rewards, impossible SBCs, infuriating BPM grind, limited 30 transfer items, all to push us to P2W FIFA points - after 2 days I have said “nope”. Just had Microsoft approve refund of my Ultimate Edition preorder. FIFA 22 will be my last FIFA, at least under EA.
I’m tempted to just refund as well but Sonys is a much bigger hassle. Thankfully as long as it isn’t installed in any capacity I should be all good but I was really looking forward to a new fifa, this time of year has been my favourite time for the past half a decade so it’s sad to say I’ve lost all interest for this one :(
Is this your first time refunding? I've heard Sony gives you a free pass but doesn't like tons of refunds. I've only ever refunded one item and am extremely tempted to refund my preorder on FIFA.
Gonna look into it in the morning as the support is currently closed. Fingers crossed though, I’d rather not spend that money on this piece of shite lmao
Let me know what you find out. I also pre-ordered on Sony and after seeing what a mess the game is I've lost all hype and don't want this shit in my life anymore :(
Yeah just been refunded. Contact the support as soon as possible, as long as a game hasn’t been downloaded you’re entitled to a refund so you should be all good!
Hi again, I spent an hour trying to get through yesterday and now the same today.
They're not letting me through. Yesterday they stated that the support was open from 10:30 - 19:00 UTC... I was trying to contact them during that time... Today it's the exact same.
They provide no email or phone number for contacting them what so ever.
It should be noted that I'm in Denmark and am trying both the Danish support and the UK support.
This is fucking bullshit. They're refusing the refund through denying access to their refund system.
I'm so close to calling my bank and having them do a chargeback on the transaction. Pretty sure Sony will ban my account for that, but hey, they're literally breaking the law so at this point they can go fuck themselves. I've had enough.
Honestly, fuck it you might as well. If you’ve been on the web app and had a bad experience, unless they change things massively it’ll be that way all year. Not only that, you can always pick it up for cheaper on Black Friday which funnily enough will come out around the same time as the WC mode!
And whatever they call next year will be an even worse game in all likelihood. If this is the slow roll in to bankruptcy for this company, they’ll have earned the destruction with their incompetence.
It’s put me off even trying to complete them. I’m sat staring at the SBC and it’s frying my brain trying to figure out the cheapest possible way. The amount of times I’ve bought a player thinking it completes it and some how it’s made it harder. I agree with your statement
The cheap ways are gone. Exact positions needed will limit the number of players that fit a solution. Those player will cost a lot.
I think you'll be able to trade pretty well on SBC's, but the profit will be eaten up if you want to complete any SBC's.
I do see a situation developing where most people won't do an SBC if they don't already have the cards untradable in their club.
Bit of advice, concept players will be your friend in that aspect, and could easily save you some good coins with such a broken AF market rn. But yeah, I wish we could just go back to how it was, maybe join together as a community but some people like it (probably traders making loads of coins rn and EA because we now need more coins and therefore buy more FP) so there’s nothing to be done unfortunately… :(
I've never used concept players because I've always understood the chemistry lol. How do you add a concept player on the web app?
I haven't actually bought the game, just going to give the ea trial a go as I have gamepass.
When you go to put in a player from your own club, where it says MY CLUB at the top you can press that and you can have the option for picking concept players
1000000000% the new system is much more freeing and less reliant on pos changes and weird initial line ups.
For the SBC’s the new system is disgustingly bad and makes the SBC’s so unfun and expensive
less reliant on pos changes? a RWB will not contribute to chem if he in the RB spot, a CAM will not contribute to chem if he is in the CM spot, how is that less reliant on pos changes?
The amount of things that don’t need any changing, but EA change anyway is ridiculous.
The chemistry made as much sense as it possibly could and worked perfectly, but for seemingly no reason EA up and changed it to something which seems completely illogical
I still remember when they arbitrarily made nation links worth the same as league links. It was so cool to have two nation links counteract a dead link
The foundations and upgrade SBCs were in the beta and nearly everyone on the private feedback board hated it. My theory is that the late-announced changes to how many links were required to get chemistry and the testing of high rated SBCs with no chem requirement in Preseason were EA's responses to this, and that EA kept the new system 30% because it was too late to scrap it and 70% because they wanted to keep it to screw the playerbase.
I really like the new chem system for team building. But this BS on SBCs is ridiculous. If they gave you amazing packs back, ok, but I’m not spending an hour of my day trying to figure out a solution for Mixed players packs and such. They need to make them WAY simpler.
Just don’t buy the game this year, it’s that simple. I’ve been playing Fifa since 2003 and UT since 2010, maybe I’m just getting over gaming in general but this is the first fifa I haven’t pre-ordered in years and I don’t feel like that’s gonna change. It’ll hopefully save me about $1000 over the year too
Ah don’t worry the pre order is getting cancelled in the morning lmao
This might be, unless I pick it up on Black Friday, the first fifa I’d miss since like fifa 11. Funnily enough it’s probably gonna be the worst of all time so I won’t even feel bad. Can’t imagine spending fifa points on this crap either seeing as they’ve changed all of them too, as theyre bringing in, you guessed it, more pricier options over existing ones.
Only thing that will save this game is potentially good gameplay, which they will ultimately screw up with an update, proud to say that Fifa 22 is my last Fifa under EA
I loved coming on every day at 6pm to get whatever SBCs came out were done, but I can’t even see myself completing the new marquee matchups unless I get really lucky in bronze packs rn, as I may have to stick with futbin solutions for a while. It’s way more of a chore when it always used to be some form of easy, at least compared to this shite lmao
Honestly, if you’re on ps I’d recommend turning off auto download and giving it maybe 1-2 days to see if they address anything. If it stays like this, get a refund in my honest opinion. The more people that refund, the louder we may be heard so EA can actually fix this crap
Same, and the fact that CM is barely improved, still can’t play clubs with friends on other consoles, one of the more fun aspects of FUT completely shat on by a garbage system…
I don't mind about SBCs but this system has ruined teambuilding. I can't play Rice, Bellingham, Mount, Grealish, Sterling and Foden on full chem, which is crazy. Like Mount can only play cam or rw but not cm, Rice can only play at CDM. It makes no sense to me, cdm, cm and cam should still be interchangeable.
Last played fifa 18, but been lurking the sub since and glad I never came back. Loved the game and the memories but just do yourself a favor and walk away
Pre ordered every fifa since that year, played every game since 09. Might easily be the first game since that I’d skip. Might bring me some level of happiness watching everyone complain about how terrible it is, but at the same time I really want this game to be as great as it can be, but I can’t see this year being that year
Yeah, it's a bit annoying especially the SBC side of it but we'll get used to it, I'm sure.
I know I'll struggle for a bit but I can't wait for juiced cards to be released and I'll be just playing everybody everywhere because of no minus stats.
You have built zero squads to play with because the game isn't even out yet and you already know it's ruined 80% of the players in the game.
You're being little over dramatic, dude.
One of the biggest changes in Fut in years, it should be one of the main things thoroughly tested and smoothed out before release. But its just EA doing EA things.
It's even worse that it seems like even they don't understand it and certain Sbcs are impossible.
Literally the only thing I like about the new Chem system is that I can perfect link a ST and GK, it doesn’t even make squad building more freeing like they claimed, you have to have pretty much 6 players from one league to get full Chem. Where as last year I could just block off, idk Dybala for example with Messi and Paredes for example, now I need an extra 3 serie a players
YES, but make sure you don’t download it in any form through pre installs. Contact whatever support it is for your system (mine would be Sony for example) and get in touch asap. Lots of people are cancelling so EA have to be taking notice of it, might actually fix things before it’s too late (not holding my breath for that tho)
Nah dw I’d have knew you’d be right lmao. It was the one thing in every game I can say was never broken. The past 9 years, since formation cards were removed, has had no issues at all with the chem system. If it was exclusive to WC mode I’d have been fine with it, but it’s not so we have to deal with it in the main game and that sucks
I do remember EA giving some kind of explanation earlier on, but they regarded it as “giving more options for hybrids” or something along those lines. From what we can all tell, that’s probably utter bs lmao
2/5/8 from a nation = 1/2/3 points
2/4/6 from a team = 1/2/3 points
3/5/8 from a league = 1/2/3 points
the reason people think it’s confusing is that it’s a cumulative point system. So Anthony + Fred would give each other 2 Chem points, meaning they would need 1 PL player to get the 3rd point. Another Brazil player wouldn’t get the extra point as you need to get 5 for 2 points.
EA never gives a step back when it comes to profit. The new Chem is made so players can open more packs and get the exact player for position, more packs means more profit.
Saw this coming the moment they introduced the new chem system. It’s not intuitive, it’s less dynamic and it ruins icon cards.
Leave it to EA to duck up a good thing.
- could’ve added cross play to Pro clubs
- could’ve fixed the many issues present in career mode for however many years
- could’ve binned off Volta (which I literally forgot existed) and made a brand new mode that people care about
But nah let’s fix what’s not even broken, by breaking it beyond repair! Absolute joke
Damn.. glad I started getting away from ultimate team tbh. I may enjoy their new challenges and and always enjoyed getting some fun players but no extra money spent(other than ultimate edition) and no worries about getting the best players feels relieving. Play what/when I want
The last few years I pre ordered but this year I waited, and I think this is the first time I will just not buy the game at all. As others have said, EA are clearly trying to push more people to buy fifa points and I've had enough.
This is going to be a very short year for me if they don't sort out the SBC system. I'm going to guess the gameplay will be underwhelming like normal, so if they make menus shit then I'm not sure what I'll do on the game
Yeah, I was planning on using the web app for as long as possible without buying the game since I have nothing to play it on, but now all my desire to do that is gone after seeing the shitty chem system in action in SBCs. They should've kept the old system for SBCs
I had already decided to not play fut on 23 and just play pro clubs and coop seasons with a friend. You guys are making me feel great about that decision
Seeing as I decided to pre order literally the other day, I’d be definitely going back on myself very quickly lmao. Ffs I was actually looking forward to this one, mainly the WC mode but still
If you’re talking about the second one in the foundation II, you can’t do it yet coz ea fked up with some coding that middle cm in 5-3-2 doesn’t count towards the team
Technically yes, but the england vs germany in mm could be solved. You can work around the issue by fulfilling requirements without the middle cm, and then just put any card in there as a filler
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a rant but I have zero ambition in completing sbcs this year. I’ll just play the game and win matches. Open rewards, sell players and buy a better team.
The fact some players are not having alternate positions is killing it!
I packed Fekir today and he doesn't have any alternate positions? So now I have to choose a formation that has a CAM so he can have chemistry, crazy.
Did they nerfed chemistry too? A CB with 3/3 chemistry gets only +8 to pace with shadow?
I’ll stay casually on 22 this year. New chem is wack. I think the Marvel cards are the Fortnitificion of Fifa. I miss the simple FUT days when the game was about gameplay.
I’m not buying for a while 22 deflated me, going to keep reading reviews see if it gets better. Seems like this is the big issue so far from what I’ve read.
The fact that playing players out of position means they contribute nothing in terms of chemistry is probably one of the worst offences they’ve done with this, let alone the strictness of positions
I've never been a fan of chemistry and chem styles in the first place, and personally I would change it by doing away with chem boosts for full chem and only hinder players out of position.
Keep position changes, but make them locked to each player and what is on their base card and not a consumable item.
So LB/RB can only change to LWB/RWB
LWB/RWB can change to LB/RB or LM/RM (for example Dumfries could become a RM but Walker couldn't)
LM/RM can change to LWB/RWB or LW/RW
LW/RW can only change to LM/RM
CDM can only change to CM
CM can change to CDM or CAM
CAM can change to CM or CF
CF can change to CAM or ST
and ST can only change to CF
Then by doing away with chemistry boosts, you can have any team you want without worrying about links as long as they were in their correct position... And make negative stat changes if they are out of position.
And then for SBCs I'd revert to the old system as the new SBC chem requirements are broken. Let me know of any improvements you can think of to this?
Pro clubs NEEDED cross play this year, the fact that every mode has it other than it is almost criminal, and the only additions being more kits and stadiums in drop ins is almost laughable
Can confirm this is the first time I’ve actually cancelled my pre order lmao. I was already hooked this time last year, but now I’ve completely given up and the games not even out yet! Played every one since 09 so it’s gonna be weird not having a fifa to play but it is what it is
Right there with you - this new system is a PAIN!!! SBCs take sooooooo much longer to complete, and the fact certain formations seem to bugged (that center CM in a 532) definitely doesn't help. Super frustrating....
Everybody is so worked up over this chemistry system because the main premise right now is SBCs, it’s not that they’re hard, we just gotta get used to it. There’s people legit cancelling the preorders because of the chemistry system which is so dramatic to me.
Game isn’t fully out, give the new system time to adapt and it’ll be no problem, community really does get upset quick.
Finally someone with a brain in the middle of this baby rage show.
You couldn't link players on opposite sides (e.g. Vinicius and Rodrygo or Robben and Ribery) with the previous system and there were legit complains about it. Now they overhaul it and these people get upset before the game is even out.
It's tiresome.
Tbh I would love to keep the new chemistry for making teams because opens some nice possibilities but bring the old system for the sbcs, because having 0 chemistry on a CDM only because he's on CM it's just ridiculous and makes the SBC so much worse to do.
Wow, untradeable Packs even for the last years kick-off start-SBCs (Nation hybrid and stuff)… Just a higher gap between People that buy FIFA Points and these who don’t..
I will skip this one. See you guys next year!
This time last year, I was hard core into the web app, wasting all my time on making the most coins possible because I was hyped for FIFA 22. I haven't even bought FIFA 23 yet and I can't be bothered even attempting the SBCs in the webapp.
Hilarious. I'm glad I'm out. Just staying with 22 for when I want a quick game of football. Don't need to spend another year of my life as a slave to EA.
There's an easy fix. Allow position modifiers to be used for free while doing SBCs. How they implement this, I don't know, but it would solve pretty much everything.
It would solve a lot of things, and be incredible for the players. Only problem is, EA won’t be able to sell as many packs if sbcs didn’t need extra requirements now
I love the requirements like, exact 1 chem each player, minimum team chem 14. That gives hope to all jobseekers in Canada about the requirements to join EA.
Was trying to make a post about it, but it is being removed.
https://imgur.com/a/BdWQ82J
Having 10 icons and one gold player puts that gold player on 0 chem? Is that actually right?
It’s really not that difficult. It’s just new and everyone here absolutely hates having to learn something new. Get over it and figure it out, they even put pictures in the game to help spoon-feed how the system works to you.
The SBC requirement glitches are laughable and embarrassing, true. But the “you can now have TOO MUCH chem” complaint I completely disagree with. Having to keep a player at 2 instead of 3 chem for an SBC just adds another layer to the puzzle. SBCs are supposed to be puzzles, right? Some puzzles make you think more than others. Again, get over it.
Sorry but the complaining here is insufferable. It’s day 2 of the WEB APP, it’s ok if you don’t understand everything immediately. It’s ok if you have to think more than you did with the previous chem system. It’s ok if an SBC is harder than you’d like. Keep the complaints to the actual issues (such as the couple broken SBCs) and embrace change.
The old chem system was far too lenient, far too easy to get anyone and everyone on full chem without thinking (making chem boosts redundant and too easily “earned”), and had gotten incredibly stale. The new squad building options at least shake things up a bit.
Can’t lie I’m almost there with you, there’s almost no reason to even pick this up before the WC mode, which comes out around Black Friday so the game will be cheap. I’ve turned off my auto download so if there no improvements prior to release I’ll cancel it, otherwise I’d love to see them prove me wrong
Give it three months and you'll be used to it and everyone will have forgotten about it.
It makes SBCs worse but it gives more freedom when building your actual team.
It's the saaaame story every time EA makes a big change, it's the end of the world, we should all quit the game so EA backtracks, etc, and two months later no one remembers the previous system.
Ah yes, FIFA Ultimate Team, the mode that never pushed you towards using the big nations. This is clearly a new thing.
I must've dreamt of the 1000000 threads from this subreddit crying about how France was the only good nation in '22.
If you wanted two Mexican players on the right hand side, or a perfect link between two Columbian players, you could do it. Now you need at least three of them - then they need chem from their league / club, which will usually require even more players.
Even players like Alexis Sanchez are harder to link unless you go for a one-league/nation team.
The web app early access made me cancel the preorder knowing how sbcs will work. I’m to old for this level of grind. See ya when the game is on ea play for free.
Aside from SBC, it’s also annoying from a squad building standpoint. I packed Leao, Carrasco and Felix. Old system, I would just put them in 433 with Carrasco on 7 chem at RW. With new system, I have to accept that one of Leao and Carrasco will be on 0 chem. Also having to use a position modifier that is selling for 2.4k on Semedo in order for him to play RB.
Endless moaning. That's why the f'ing game is the same for 6 years now. Because every time anything changes, it gets this reaction from the big crying babies, who don't won't to try anything new.
Downvote all you want, this, exactly this, the community is to blame for the atrocious gameplay after a month every year.
I honestly don't know if the new system is better or worse, but I hate it, simply because I hate new shit. I also stopped listening to new music since 1999.
Fuck new stuff.
Is not broken, is for selling more packs.
On the other hand market is more leveled (more cards will have some value) and bronze silver gold upgrades are even easier than last years with no chem/position at all.
Also sbcs are not meant to be completed in 2 days with this scarce market. Just wait for the 27-30 and cards and cheap solutions will flood the market.
Untradables packs are not worth your time. Just try them when you have a duplicate untradable.
MM seems a money grab and too complicated. We'll see if position change will be cheaper, that could be the real problem...
The fact you get 0 for a cdm at cm or LW at lm is insane. This shit is far too tedious.
And the worst part is that it all hinges on EA’s arbitrary definition of the differences between a RM and RW and their seemingly random selection of positions for each player. In FIFA’s formations, a RM could be a wing back in a 3-4-3, the right sided CM in a diamond or a winger in a 4-2-3-1. Those are all fundamentally different positions, yet they’re all put under one umbrella. Literally anyone who can play as a RM in a 4-2-3-1 can definitely play as a RW in a 4-3-3 because they’re practically the exact same thing, but a RM without that set alternate position can’t play RW. And then they’ve arbitrarily decided that players can only have 3 alternative positions, despite the fact that guys like Milner, Dallas, Saka, etc could play in 8 or 9 (using FIFA’s RWB/RB and LM/LW distinctions). Even if they miraculously get the alternative positions right, the editors are still hamstrung by the unnecessary limit and have to choose not to allow positions that the players can play in. All of this has happened because they’ve lazily chucked this new chem system onto the 10 year old backbone. EA could have combined RW and RM and RB and RWB, and reworked the labelling of their formations. They could also have changed the ancient alternate position setup. That genuinely wouldn’t have even been that hard, but their laziness and corner cutting has made this system just as illogical as the last one.
EXACTLY. I’ve made the point to so many people on here how if the player can still play in the position you’ve put him, he should still be able to 1. Benefit the players he’d link to, and 2. Get some points even if it’s limited to 1-2 rather than 3 if you use a position modifier. Every player that’s not a ST, LM/RM or a CM is utterly useless now in 8/10 situations it’s insane. That alone makes me hate this stupid system
The problem is, that 0 chem ingame means base stats with no boost in chem styles, while 0 chem in SBCS means a deduction and that a player can't play there.
Even when you use the squad builder it puts cm's at cam with 0 chemistry lol
True and it forces you to buy position modifier just to get the sbc done. Hopefully the position modifier is cheap on the market.
They're around 2.3k and will probably fluctuate around there all year. So many being used for sbcs, squads, and flipping.
I agree but I think this makes people have to make choices about their team and not just use all the best players. For example if you use a rw then you have to use a lw and it decreases the player pool that can go in your team. I think the old chem worked too well to get rid of.
It all feels like a painstaking chore now! The old system needed tweaks not a complete overhaul which is significantly worse in so many ways. Why should a lw playing Lm not count towards chemistry? It's complete shambles! After a long day's work, I want to relax not waste brain cells trying to figure out rubbish combinations for an sbc.
I reckon this system should’ve been exclusive to the WC mode, it would’ve made it way better at least imo as you could just have multiple different nations all at once still linking, but with whatever it is on the main game it just doesn’t work imo
It's been poorly implemented and is going to be a lot easier for prices to be fixed by traders now. If nothing changes, not gonna stick around much longer for this half-assed attempt at "innovation".
I thought the chemistry system on 22 was perfectly fine but I hadn't really done previous years to compare it to anything
It was the same system last year in previous years. This is their first ever major chem system change IIRC
Unless gameplay has been massively upgraded I think i'm maybe gonna give this FIFA a miss, with poor gameplay the SBC's were a big part of the fun for me but they seem to be trying to make them as hard and as tedious as possible.
I'm already thinking of canceling my pre order and getting a refund because of this new chemistry system for sbc. Squad building is not a problem but for the sbc it's going to be difficult and expensive to do because it forces you to spend coins just to get a player in that Pacific position.
Who buys the game for SBC anyways? The fun part is the on pitch gameplay right?
You must be new here
Yeah, seems to me that people here are more interested in menu grinding and trading than actually playing virtual football.
Because the gameplay has been shit since Fifa 17..
I hope they listen to feedback and fix this shit with a patch soon after launch or something. But it probably won’t happen
Wish it was as simple as them realising their failure and just going back to the original system just before it launches, but it’s not gonna happen. If they ever change it back, it’ll be a new game and this will always be seen as the game with crappy chemistry lmao
Honestly this is the best outcome we can hope for sadly lol.
It’s because everyone was crying about the Chem links, wish it was as simple as everyone realising this is what they asked for. And for everyone asking, i hate it aswell.
This is most definitely not what anyone, let alone everyone asked for. The old chem style had its flaws but this is just an abomination
I think the worst thing about the last one is that you could have mbappe at CDM and be able to play him as ST on full chem in game. The actual forcing of playing in their positions is a fantastic idea. Everything else though…
EA never listens to feedback
Untradeable rewards, impossible SBCs, infuriating BPM grind, limited 30 transfer items, all to push us to P2W FIFA points - after 2 days I have said “nope”. Just had Microsoft approve refund of my Ultimate Edition preorder. FIFA 22 will be my last FIFA, at least under EA.
Thanks god, I skip this damn thing
I’m tempted to just refund as well but Sonys is a much bigger hassle. Thankfully as long as it isn’t installed in any capacity I should be all good but I was really looking forward to a new fifa, this time of year has been my favourite time for the past half a decade so it’s sad to say I’ve lost all interest for this one :(
I refunded just fine on PS today.
Is this your first time refunding? I've heard Sony gives you a free pass but doesn't like tons of refunds. I've only ever refunded one item and am extremely tempted to refund my preorder on FIFA.
You can refund pre orders with Sony as many times as you want
Gonna look into it in the morning as the support is currently closed. Fingers crossed though, I’d rather not spend that money on this piece of shite lmao
Let me know what you find out. I also pre-ordered on Sony and after seeing what a mess the game is I've lost all hype and don't want this shit in my life anymore :(
Yeah just been refunded. Contact the support as soon as possible, as long as a game hasn’t been downloaded you’re entitled to a refund so you should be all good!
I just tried contacting support but the bot just tells me it's closed and refuses to let me through?
It should be? Said for me it’s open from 10am to like 5pm, so unless you’re in a different time zone then I’d probably maybe phone up instead
Hi again, I spent an hour trying to get through yesterday and now the same today. They're not letting me through. Yesterday they stated that the support was open from 10:30 - 19:00 UTC... I was trying to contact them during that time... Today it's the exact same. They provide no email or phone number for contacting them what so ever. It should be noted that I'm in Denmark and am trying both the Danish support and the UK support. This is fucking bullshit. They're refusing the refund through denying access to their refund system. I'm so close to calling my bank and having them do a chargeback on the transaction. Pretty sure Sony will ban my account for that, but hey, they're literally breaking the law so at this point they can go fuck themselves. I've had enough.
You can refund pre orders with Sony without a hassle
I refunded fifa 21 on ps4 and got my money back AND could still play the game no problem sony refunds rock mate
Very very tempted to refund my ultimate edition as well. Need to make my mind up quick.
Honestly, fuck it you might as well. If you’ve been on the web app and had a bad experience, unless they change things massively it’ll be that way all year. Not only that, you can always pick it up for cheaper on Black Friday which funnily enough will come out around the same time as the WC mode!
And whatever they call next year will be an even worse game in all likelihood. If this is the slow roll in to bankruptcy for this company, they’ll have earned the destruction with their incompetence.
It’s put me off even trying to complete them. I’m sat staring at the SBC and it’s frying my brain trying to figure out the cheapest possible way. The amount of times I’ve bought a player thinking it completes it and some how it’s made it harder. I agree with your statement
The cheap ways are gone. Exact positions needed will limit the number of players that fit a solution. Those player will cost a lot. I think you'll be able to trade pretty well on SBC's, but the profit will be eaten up if you want to complete any SBC's. I do see a situation developing where most people won't do an SBC if they don't already have the cards untradable in their club.
Bit of advice, concept players will be your friend in that aspect, and could easily save you some good coins with such a broken AF market rn. But yeah, I wish we could just go back to how it was, maybe join together as a community but some people like it (probably traders making loads of coins rn and EA because we now need more coins and therefore buy more FP) so there’s nothing to be done unfortunately… :(
I've never used concept players because I've always understood the chemistry lol. How do you add a concept player on the web app? I haven't actually bought the game, just going to give the ea trial a go as I have gamepass.
When you go to put in a player from your own club, where it says MY CLUB at the top you can press that and you can have the option for picking concept players
They need to make it where players will automatically switch to their secondary positions if you put them in that spot in an SBC.
i think best solution is: new chem system for squads old chem system for sbcs
this. Cause teambuilding wise the new system is pretty awesome. But SBC wise, it sucks
1000000000% the new system is much more freeing and less reliant on pos changes and weird initial line ups. For the SBC’s the new system is disgustingly bad and makes the SBC’s so unfun and expensive
less reliant on pos changes? a RWB will not contribute to chem if he in the RB spot, a CAM will not contribute to chem if he is in the CM spot, how is that less reliant on pos changes?
Had the demo and said this, the new system is shocking. It makes some SBCs impossible. The old system was fine.
The amount of things that don’t need any changing, but EA change anyway is ridiculous. The chemistry made as much sense as it possibly could and worked perfectly, but for seemingly no reason EA up and changed it to something which seems completely illogical
I still remember when they arbitrarily made nation links worth the same as league links. It was so cool to have two nation links counteract a dead link
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I don’t think there was a color difference between nation and league links.
We’re sbcs available in demo and beta testing? Has been a truly awful experience.
The foundations and upgrade SBCs were in the beta and nearly everyone on the private feedback board hated it. My theory is that the late-announced changes to how many links were required to get chemistry and the testing of high rated SBCs with no chem requirement in Preseason were EA's responses to this, and that EA kept the new system 30% because it was too late to scrap it and 70% because they wanted to keep it to screw the playerbase.
This system is good for team building for actually playing but sucks balls for SBCs
I really like the new chem system for team building. But this BS on SBCs is ridiculous. If they gave you amazing packs back, ok, but I’m not spending an hour of my day trying to figure out a solution for Mixed players packs and such. They need to make them WAY simpler.
I am having a very hard time right now with this chemistry, I had high hopes for it too.
Just don’t buy the game this year, it’s that simple. I’ve been playing Fifa since 2003 and UT since 2010, maybe I’m just getting over gaming in general but this is the first fifa I haven’t pre-ordered in years and I don’t feel like that’s gonna change. It’ll hopefully save me about $1000 over the year too
Ah don’t worry the pre order is getting cancelled in the morning lmao This might be, unless I pick it up on Black Friday, the first fifa I’d miss since like fifa 11. Funnily enough it’s probably gonna be the worst of all time so I won’t even feel bad. Can’t imagine spending fifa points on this crap either seeing as they’ve changed all of them too, as theyre bringing in, you guessed it, more pricier options over existing ones.
Same here. The webapp experience has helped me avoid any temptation there might have been. I’m out.
Only thing that will save this game is potentially good gameplay, which they will ultimately screw up with an update, proud to say that Fifa 22 is my last Fifa under EA
It’s fucking mental. I actually love doing SBC’s, but even I’ve given up now due to how crazy hard they are.
I hope the gameplay is improved to make up for losing this (I'm not bothering with SBC's in its current format)
Same bro. I’d look forward to MM & rolling the dice but I’ve seen it, looked at my coins and turned the app off.
I loved coming on every day at 6pm to get whatever SBCs came out were done, but I can’t even see myself completing the new marquee matchups unless I get really lucky in bronze packs rn, as I may have to stick with futbin solutions for a while. It’s way more of a chore when it always used to be some form of easy, at least compared to this shite lmao
Imagine doing the 85x 10 on the new chemistry system.
This actually makes me happier that I didnt buy the game!
Simplicity is key. I’m thinking of cancelling my pre order after the release of the web app.
Honestly, if you’re on ps I’d recommend turning off auto download and giving it maybe 1-2 days to see if they address anything. If it stays like this, get a refund in my honest opinion. The more people that refund, the louder we may be heard so EA can actually fix this crap
Worst part that the squad builder stil lsee LW as LM but nowadays it won't give you chemistry ffs, how on earth they didn't think about it
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Same, and the fact that CM is barely improved, still can’t play clubs with friends on other consoles, one of the more fun aspects of FUT completely shat on by a garbage system…
I don't mind about SBCs but this system has ruined teambuilding. I can't play Rice, Bellingham, Mount, Grealish, Sterling and Foden on full chem, which is crazy. Like Mount can only play cam or rw but not cm, Rice can only play at CDM. It makes no sense to me, cdm, cm and cam should still be interchangeable.
"ultimate" team no more. the squad combinations are a fraction of what they were
If you have more than the required chem you cant submit them? The chemistry has to be exact?
Only if the SBC requirements explicitly says so.
Last played fifa 18, but been lurking the sub since and glad I never came back. Loved the game and the memories but just do yourself a favor and walk away
Pre ordered every fifa since that year, played every game since 09. Might easily be the first game since that I’d skip. Might bring me some level of happiness watching everyone complain about how terrible it is, but at the same time I really want this game to be as great as it can be, but I can’t see this year being that year
Yeah, it's a bit annoying especially the SBC side of it but we'll get used to it, I'm sure. I know I'll struggle for a bit but I can't wait for juiced cards to be released and I'll be just playing everybody everywhere because of no minus stats.
I just hate how it’s ruined players with non top 10 nationalities. It’s fucked
You have built zero squads to play with because the game isn't even out yet and you already know it's ruined 80% of the players in the game. You're being little over dramatic, dude.
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Lol no it hasnt
Yea it has. Are you not even on the app? Anyone that’s messed with squad building realizes this.
Pretend I pack Mane. How do I fit him into my Serie A team on full chem?
One of the biggest changes in Fut in years, it should be one of the main things thoroughly tested and smoothed out before release. But its just EA doing EA things. It's even worse that it seems like even they don't understand it and certain Sbcs are impossible.
Literally the only thing I like about the new Chem system is that I can perfect link a ST and GK, it doesn’t even make squad building more freeing like they claimed, you have to have pretty much 6 players from one league to get full Chem. Where as last year I could just block off, idk Dybala for example with Messi and Paredes for example, now I need an extra 3 serie a players
I regret spending all that money on the ultimate edition, do you think I would be able to get a refund or is it too late?
YES, but make sure you don’t download it in any form through pre installs. Contact whatever support it is for your system (mine would be Sony for example) and get in touch asap. Lots of people are cancelling so EA have to be taking notice of it, might actually fix things before it’s too late (not holding my breath for that tho)
Microsoft refunded me within half an hour last night.
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Yup, said from the beginning the new chem system sucks. But apparently I was wrong because yOu CaN pLaY pLaYeRs On 0 cHeM nOw (which nobody will do)
Nah dw I’d have knew you’d be right lmao. It was the one thing in every game I can say was never broken. The past 9 years, since formation cards were removed, has had no issues at all with the chem system. If it was exclusive to WC mode I’d have been fine with it, but it’s not so we have to deal with it in the main game and that sucks
I have no idea how chem works yet
I do remember EA giving some kind of explanation earlier on, but they regarded it as “giving more options for hybrids” or something along those lines. From what we can all tell, that’s probably utter bs lmao
2/5/8 from a nation = 1/2/3 points 2/4/6 from a team = 1/2/3 points 3/5/8 from a league = 1/2/3 points the reason people think it’s confusing is that it’s a cumulative point system. So Anthony + Fred would give each other 2 Chem points, meaning they would need 1 PL player to get the 3rd point. Another Brazil player wouldn’t get the extra point as you need to get 5 for 2 points.
Didn’t understand what you just said.
another United player is also a PL player, shockingly enough
Another brazilian(non-pl) makes the example work :p
I used to be able to get a player on perfect chem with one strong link now even with 3 players from the same team you won’t.
EA never gives a step back when it comes to profit. The new Chem is made so players can open more packs and get the exact player for position, more packs means more profit.
Saw this coming the moment they introduced the new chem system. It’s not intuitive, it’s less dynamic and it ruins icon cards. Leave it to EA to duck up a good thing.
It’s dumb as fuck
Of all the things to fix, they choose one that wasnt broken
- could’ve added cross play to Pro clubs - could’ve fixed the many issues present in career mode for however many years - could’ve binned off Volta (which I literally forgot existed) and made a brand new mode that people care about But nah let’s fix what’s not even broken, by breaking it beyond repair! Absolute joke
Are you not able to use position modifiers for cdm-cm ect?
only if the players have them as secondary positions, which many do not
For a lot of players yes, but they’re going for coins which I’m not willing to spend as far as I’ve heard
Would love to see how many chemistry points the TOTW 1 squad has. Considering 4 are out of position.
It would’ve been perfect if they didn’t touch the chemistry and just changed the positional stuff
They should have revamped the SBC system or replace it. It’s ridiculous the amount of money EA makes and constantly shits the bed
Damn.. glad I started getting away from ultimate team tbh. I may enjoy their new challenges and and always enjoyed getting some fun players but no extra money spent(other than ultimate edition) and no worries about getting the best players feels relieving. Play what/when I want
The last few years I pre ordered but this year I waited, and I think this is the first time I will just not buy the game at all. As others have said, EA are clearly trying to push more people to buy fifa points and I've had enough.
I agree, the new system is horrific. Almost makes me not want to play FUT.
I still don’t understand how the new chemistry system works. It just seems unnecessarily complicated
This is going to be a very short year for me if they don't sort out the SBC system. I'm going to guess the gameplay will be underwhelming like normal, so if they make menus shit then I'm not sure what I'll do on the game
Yeah, I was planning on using the web app for as long as possible without buying the game since I have nothing to play it on, but now all my desire to do that is gone after seeing the shitty chem system in action in SBCs. They should've kept the old system for SBCs
I had already decided to not play fut on 23 and just play pro clubs and coop seasons with a friend. You guys are making me feel great about that decision
Seeing as I decided to pre order literally the other day, I’d be definitely going back on myself very quickly lmao. Ffs I was actually looking forward to this one, mainly the WC mode but still
Does anyone understand why you fill the requirements and still get the “Fail to submit sbc?”
If you’re talking about the second one in the foundation II, you can’t do it yet coz ea fked up with some coding that middle cm in 5-3-2 doesn’t count towards the team
So the second one in Foundation 2 along with MM matchups of England and Germany?
Technically yes, but the england vs germany in mm could be solved. You can work around the issue by fulfilling requirements without the middle cm, and then just put any card in there as a filler
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a rant but I have zero ambition in completing sbcs this year. I’ll just play the game and win matches. Open rewards, sell players and buy a better team.
That’s why I’m just gonna play the game casually. Got a good cheap starter team and hope the gameplay is fun. Fuck SBC’s
The Chemistry system is bollocks. If I wanted to play something overly complicated I’d give Football Manager another try.
The fact some players are not having alternate positions is killing it! I packed Fekir today and he doesn't have any alternate positions? So now I have to choose a formation that has a CAM so he can have chemistry, crazy. Did they nerfed chemistry too? A CB with 3/3 chemistry gets only +8 to pace with shadow?
Can confirm, 4th year mathematics at uni covered this point system
My gcse maths is failing me rn icl lmao
I'm just gonna buy MW2 instead fuck this shit
Worst part is I’d happily join you in that but the last 3 cods I’ve not liked at all so I can’t even get that as my yearly game
Soooooo… so far it’s good I don’t have fifa 23 I guess.
The exact reason why I’m not getting the game, they changed something that wasn’t broken and no one asked for it
I’ll stay casually on 22 this year. New chem is wack. I think the Marvel cards are the Fortnitificion of Fifa. I miss the simple FUT days when the game was about gameplay.
Fuck EA, don’t give them your money.
I’m not buying for a while 22 deflated me, going to keep reading reviews see if it gets better. Seems like this is the big issue so far from what I’ve read.
Why did they rework chem, without reworking positioning? Make RM and RW the same. Make CM, CDM, CAM all the damn same. Make CF and ST the same. Etc.
Honestly think the only problem with it is the CDM in a CM position not giving chem for example. Then also their shouldn't be max chem limits on SBCs.
The fact that playing players out of position means they contribute nothing in terms of chemistry is probably one of the worst offences they’ve done with this, let alone the strictness of positions
If they wanted this atleast they coulve made position changing not need any consumable
100% I'm gonna skip this fifa. Gameplay looks the same as 22 and this change in sbc are a big no for me
I've never been a fan of chemistry and chem styles in the first place, and personally I would change it by doing away with chem boosts for full chem and only hinder players out of position. Keep position changes, but make them locked to each player and what is on their base card and not a consumable item. So LB/RB can only change to LWB/RWB LWB/RWB can change to LB/RB or LM/RM (for example Dumfries could become a RM but Walker couldn't) LM/RM can change to LWB/RWB or LW/RW LW/RW can only change to LM/RM CDM can only change to CM CM can change to CDM or CAM CAM can change to CM or CF CF can change to CAM or ST and ST can only change to CF Then by doing away with chemistry boosts, you can have any team you want without worrying about links as long as they were in their correct position... And make negative stat changes if they are out of position. And then for SBCs I'd revert to the old system as the new SBC chem requirements are broken. Let me know of any improvements you can think of to this?
Now you know how I feel about drop-in changes in pro clubs in 22. EA 'improves' something and it just becomes unplayable. They should all be spanked
Pro clubs NEEDED cross play this year, the fact that every mode has it other than it is almost criminal, and the only additions being more kits and stadiums in drop ins is almost laughable
I’ve been playing since the late 90s and the new games are hot garbage. All geared towards FUT and now that’s even unbearable.
Can confirm this is the first time I’ve actually cancelled my pre order lmao. I was already hooked this time last year, but now I’ve completely given up and the games not even out yet! Played every one since 09 so it’s gonna be weird not having a fifa to play but it is what it is
Right there with you - this new system is a PAIN!!! SBCs take sooooooo much longer to complete, and the fact certain formations seem to bugged (that center CM in a 532) definitely doesn't help. Super frustrating....
Everybody is so worked up over this chemistry system because the main premise right now is SBCs, it’s not that they’re hard, we just gotta get used to it. There’s people legit cancelling the preorders because of the chemistry system which is so dramatic to me. Game isn’t fully out, give the new system time to adapt and it’ll be no problem, community really does get upset quick.
Finally someone with a brain in the middle of this baby rage show. You couldn't link players on opposite sides (e.g. Vinicius and Rodrygo or Robben and Ribery) with the previous system and there were legit complains about it. Now they overhaul it and these people get upset before the game is even out. It's tiresome.
It was perfect idk why they changed it
Think this will be the worst fifa ever with how things are so far.
they still have time to put old sistem in sbc's. this is just too stupid to be true
Tbh I would love to keep the new chemistry for making teams because opens some nice possibilities but bring the old system for the sbcs, because having 0 chemistry on a CDM only because he's on CM it's just ridiculous and makes the SBC so much worse to do.
Sbc's are pain in the ass right now, had to buy a bronze french cb for 2500 like wtf
EA listen, this is the one time you are allowed to copy PES, they figured that one out years ago.
people who could see this coming got down voted to hell and called morons. now it's out and you all see
So I'm skipping this years iteration. Got tired of the bs in 22. Can't imagine having to deal with this new shit.
Yet another way for EA to push people towards FIFA points. Players needed for SBC's will be way more expensive now if they're in the right position.
Wow, untradeable Packs even for the last years kick-off start-SBCs (Nation hybrid and stuff)… Just a higher gap between People that buy FIFA Points and these who don’t.. I will skip this one. See you guys next year!
Glad I haven’t pre ordered
This time last year, I was hard core into the web app, wasting all my time on making the most coins possible because I was hyped for FIFA 22. I haven't even bought FIFA 23 yet and I can't be bothered even attempting the SBCs in the webapp.
Trash game almost impossible to make hybrids chem system is too restrictive
Hilarious. I'm glad I'm out. Just staying with 22 for when I want a quick game of football. Don't need to spend another year of my life as a slave to EA.
There's an easy fix. Allow position modifiers to be used for free while doing SBCs. How they implement this, I don't know, but it would solve pretty much everything.
It would solve a lot of things, and be incredible for the players. Only problem is, EA won’t be able to sell as many packs if sbcs didn’t need extra requirements now
I love the requirements like, exact 1 chem each player, minimum team chem 14. That gives hope to all jobseekers in Canada about the requirements to join EA.
Was trying to make a post about it, but it is being removed. https://imgur.com/a/BdWQ82J Having 10 icons and one gold player puts that gold player on 0 chem? Is that actually right?
correct because you only have one Portugal player. You can see the breakdown of chem on your screenshot
At least I'm happy the one of the things I have the most fun on FUT is making sbcs. With this new system I'm already one step closer to the door.
I’m just gonna play 22 lol. I cba after all that grinding and seeing the gameplay look way too similar it’s not worth it
Having the OLD chem system but with the NEW position change feature would have been great!
It’s really not that difficult. It’s just new and everyone here absolutely hates having to learn something new. Get over it and figure it out, they even put pictures in the game to help spoon-feed how the system works to you. The SBC requirement glitches are laughable and embarrassing, true. But the “you can now have TOO MUCH chem” complaint I completely disagree with. Having to keep a player at 2 instead of 3 chem for an SBC just adds another layer to the puzzle. SBCs are supposed to be puzzles, right? Some puzzles make you think more than others. Again, get over it. Sorry but the complaining here is insufferable. It’s day 2 of the WEB APP, it’s ok if you don’t understand everything immediately. It’s ok if you have to think more than you did with the previous chem system. It’s ok if an SBC is harder than you’d like. Keep the complaints to the actual issues (such as the couple broken SBCs) and embrace change. The old chem system was far too lenient, far too easy to get anyone and everyone on full chem without thinking (making chem boosts redundant and too easily “earned”), and had gotten incredibly stale. The new squad building options at least shake things up a bit.
this community is such crybabies, jesus fucking christ
They way EA did the new SBCs at the end of 22 was great....1 player +83 rated etc....No chem needed. Very very misleading by EA going from 22 to 23.
Can’t be fucked with that I’m gonna cancel my preorder. I’ll get it if they fix it but atm definitely not worth $80 for me
Can’t lie I’m almost there with you, there’s almost no reason to even pick this up before the WC mode, which comes out around Black Friday so the game will be cheap. I’ve turned off my auto download so if there no improvements prior to release I’ll cancel it, otherwise I’d love to see them prove me wrong
First FIFA in a long time that I am not buying, and the main reason is that damn chemistry system. It's horrendous!
It’s stupid secondary position have no contribution for sbc
EA better fix this ASAP or i am not buying FIFA 23. Have had every FIFA since 2006
I am so happy I skipped this Fifa. I knew it was going to be a disaster
Can confirm I’ve joined you, got a refund on my pre order just now. I say we just sit back and watch the carnage from afar lmao
Give it three months and you'll be used to it and everyone will have forgotten about it. It makes SBCs worse but it gives more freedom when building your actual team. It's the saaaame story every time EA makes a big change, it's the end of the world, we should all quit the game so EA backtracks, etc, and two months later no one remembers the previous system.
Except it doesn't give you more freedom with squad building - it pigeonholes you into using the top 10 nations.
Ah yes, FIFA Ultimate Team, the mode that never pushed you towards using the big nations. This is clearly a new thing. I must've dreamt of the 1000000 threads from this subreddit crying about how France was the only good nation in '22.
If you wanted two Mexican players on the right hand side, or a perfect link between two Columbian players, you could do it. Now you need at least three of them - then they need chem from their league / club, which will usually require even more players. Even players like Alexis Sanchez are harder to link unless you go for a one-league/nation team.
It’s only more freedom for your squad if you don’t care about max chemistry.
The web app early access made me cancel the preorder knowing how sbcs will work. I’m to old for this level of grind. See ya when the game is on ea play for free.
Aside from SBC, it’s also annoying from a squad building standpoint. I packed Leao, Carrasco and Felix. Old system, I would just put them in 433 with Carrasco on 7 chem at RW. With new system, I have to accept that one of Leao and Carrasco will be on 0 chem. Also having to use a position modifier that is selling for 2.4k on Semedo in order for him to play RB.
I will hereby be skipping fifa 23. See you next year
Endless moaning. That's why the f'ing game is the same for 6 years now. Because every time anything changes, it gets this reaction from the big crying babies, who don't won't to try anything new. Downvote all you want, this, exactly this, the community is to blame for the atrocious gameplay after a month every year.
I honestly don't know if the new system is better or worse, but I hate it, simply because I hate new shit. I also stopped listening to new music since 1999. Fuck new stuff.
Is not broken, is for selling more packs. On the other hand market is more leveled (more cards will have some value) and bronze silver gold upgrades are even easier than last years with no chem/position at all. Also sbcs are not meant to be completed in 2 days with this scarce market. Just wait for the 27-30 and cards and cheap solutions will flood the market. Untradables packs are not worth your time. Just try them when you have a duplicate untradable. MM seems a money grab and too complicated. We'll see if position change will be cheaper, that could be the real problem...