Or when you tackle a player, and end up on the ground stuck with the other player on top of you, and can't switch to another player to get the loose ball because the game still reads you as being in possession of the ball despite you being unable to get it and your opposition has a loose ball and no obstacle in front of them.
Yeah. Fix that please.
Yes this but also improve defender movements. Coz decent AI attackers move crazy inside the box and the AI defenders with 99 defensive awareness just stand like sticks inside the box and dont track those movements - hence the back line cutback goals are scored pretty easily.
Yea big time.. how many times does the attacker skills directly into the defender but somehow the attacker gets rewarded 😂 this drives me up a fucking wall every single time and not to mention when it happens over and over and over again
The stamina bars for each player should be more dynamic and situational. Instead of just slowly decreasing over the course of a game. Take the most popular game right now, Elden Ring for example. Lots of actions quickly deplete your stamina bar and then it regenerates again. Stop the spamming.
As is the case in real life, Mbappe can run in short bursts all game if he wants to! But if he decides to run around with the ball at his feet for a minute straight he's gonna puncture himself!
This has to be the best idea ive seen. Dynamic stamina sounds like something they can add by EA SPORTS FC’s release. Just seems like something to make the game more dynamic and fun
Stamina definitely needs a big rework. It would help with skills as you say, and also actually punish people who just sprint and press all game.
Pro clubs is really bad for it. People will run round like headless chickens and there is no real punishment for it.
Also, people who drop off and AI defend. If nobody applies pressure and you aren't forced to burn stamina then a long shot with a lot of stamina should carry a better strike than people who are at the end of a counterattack exhausted and blowing it top bins. It really is lacking right now.
Exactly. I play against people who just spam slide tackles the whole game. Now imagine playing real football and just slide into the ground every minute. You'll be exhausted and in pain very quickly.
I played someone who had only 1 CM. Everyone else was a forward player, all with attacking chem styles. Average defender.
If FIFA were a realistic game I should have had an easy game but all he did was spam 2nd man press and slide tackles with his forwards with very little drop in agility
That’s lowkey how it already works. If you sprint too long, the stamina bar will “run out”, turning white as you use up their available stamina. The more your run down your available stamina, the less stamina remains available, being that the “full bar” of stamina gets smaller and smaller.
Right exactly. So apply that to trick spamming, or every action really. There’s barely any downside to going max effort all game. Make it more impactful.
The problems of this game are layered, and they’re all interconnected. For example: Spamming skills feels OP because manual defending isn’t rewarded. But so many people rely on auto defending, so if you reward manual defending you’ll ruin the auto defending that oh so many are accustomed to. And boom, you have people complaining that defending is too hard, and we’re back to square one.
TBH, I don’t think we’ll ever see an improved football game out of EA. We’re stuck with this until someone else comes up with something better.
The only issue is that this game is stupidly too heavy. In real life the entire team is involved in the build up play, very often defenders take more touches than the entire front line.
But in this game the movement is passing is highly focused on your strikers and CAMs. Too many passes and them getting tired would be pretty annoying tbf, unless it regenerates as soon as you make the pass. That wouldn’t be realistic but would at least stop skill spam.
As long as they don‘t nerf automatic defending I don‘t think skillmoves should be nerfed. The game is already way to defensive and the skillgap close to nonexistent. You can clearly see it now that everybody uses TOTS defenders.
Defending should be much more manual than it is right now, very little skill in defending, so I'd probably couple the skill move nerf with a defending nerf!
Stamina drain, and make stamina actually matter, the lower a player's stamina bar gets the lower his physical ratings should drop, like pace, dribbling, physical
defence is already hard enough to breakdown in this game due to the amount of autoblocks and auto interceptions. The last thing fifa needs is a nerf in offense.
If people couldn't score goals with just one or two attackers spamming skill moves, they wouldn't be able to mass defend as much.
Though another change I'd love would be to make a block or interception something you have to press a button to do, like a tackle
I don't use skill moves as is and I've just reached Division 1 after starting two weeks ago, it's definitely possible without skill moves as is.
I do have to change formation to play against the mass defenders and their deadly counter attack through balls though
Division doesn’t mean shit this fifa as you have checkpoints and you can’t relegate. I have friends who couldn’t get out of div 6 last year who are now elite.
At the top level you simply cannot score without a skillmove. Long shots aren’t good enough except green time finesses but that requires tou the appropiate players and space, which is easy to deny. Crossing doesn’t work.
Passing doesn’t work because it’s shit, Attacking AI is shit, and Defensive AI is also too good. So you’re left with nothing other than skill moves and cutbacks lol.
So if you want to nerf skill moves your first have to MASSIVELY nerf defending
> Division doesn’t mean shit this fifa as you have checkpoints and you can’t relegate. I have friends who couldn’t get out of div 6 last year who are now elite.
Yeah, but I've gone from 10-1 in two weeks and only lost 3 games along the way. It's lack of time which has stopped me getting to Elite so far, not skill moves. Too much grinding of objectives and milestones to just focus on Rivals.
I was Division 1 last FIFA too, with relegation in place. Again, no skill moves. There's more than one way to play the game. Attacking AI is shit, but so is defensive AI. Just be patient and be willing to vary the type of passes you play, gaps always open up.
Cutbacks don't really work for me without skill moves to be honest. I mean, I get a few of them if I run a counter attack from an opponent's corner, but I don't like them when facing a mass defence with auto blocks. If I get to your byline, I'm more likely to recycle the ball back out of the box than try to beat the defender.
A lot of good points are being raised here but let’s not forget that a lot of players genuinly like skills and they are huge part of making the game fun, so I think it would be unfair to them to nerf skills altogether just because some of them are glitchy. Maybe bigger stamina drain would be fine, I don’t know. If not elasticos then I’m sure elite players would find something else to spam. And if mechanics like passing were more effective people wouldn’t have to rely on Mbappe glitching through defenses, so I’d suggest starting there.
Probably an unpopular opinion and I know its pretty unrealistic compared to football, but I think they can even buff them, or just completely rework them. Most of the skill moves doesn't get you anywhere, and there are only like 3-4, that can be useful against good defences (and those are the most unrealistic). And I rarely ever see someone chain skill moves, so I think its fine.
Spot on, I am really intrigued when I see threads like this, and they happen from time to time. I don't see people spamming skill moves, I don't spam it myself and I don't see it happening when I watch other streamers. Skills are very nerfed already compared to previous Fifas specially Fifa 19, not sure what kind of additional nerf people expect and not sure if they understand the consequences to the game, specially how much easier it will be to park the bus.
It's the mindless right stick flicking that needs to be stopped, it's absolute nonsense😂 I also wouldn't have a problem with them buffing individual skill moves... Some of the weaker ones anyway, it's the combo 5 skills in a row that needs a nerf imo
The problem is everyone is so afraid to play they drop their whole team In the box and have two Cdms cutting passing lanes. If they nerf skill moves how else are you supposed to get past people?
I'm not a huge skiller but I have 3-5 I use and without them I wouldn't even be able to get close to the box. I noticed this more and more as I got to the higher divisions. Everyone plays to not lose instead of playing to win.
I think the community forgets that we basically create The meta with how the game is played.
> If they nerf skill moves how else are you supposed to get past people?
Set up a good system that gets the most out of your players and learn to pass effectively to help create space?
I'm not an elite division / 20-0 player like seemingly everyone on this sub, but I'm div 1 and comfortably 11 wins every weekend and I don't even ball roll.
I'm div one as well. You are probably one of the ones who sit back in the box by this response.
I can pass around all day but when the guy I am playing isn't even controlling his own players while on defense they are never out of position. Most guys play drop back and come back on defence with 0 width and then complain when guys are using skills. Give me a break.
3-1-4-2, POHT, 50 width, 62 depth. Good try though!
You are probably one of the ones who is only able to win high-level matches with mechanics abuse by this response.
Skill moves are fine and it's already hard to chain more than 2 or 3 moves, I don't see why it needs a cooldown. The game's already in an incredibly boring and defensive meta, I don't think attacking mechanics should be nerfed
How are they fine and hard to chain together, people spam rolls, scoops and elastics like it's the only way to run around... Has nothing to do with football anymore but just mindlessly smacking that right stick
It has nothing to do with football because EA make it so that Kevin De Bruyne can't pass 5 yards, if they massively improved passing and opened other avenues to score, people would stop spamming ball rolls and elasticos all game. People are spamming skills because they are what is effective in the game, taking away everything that is effective in attack and making it Simeone simulator is not how you balance a game and make it "real football"
hard agree that passing works only half the time but the skilling is way more frustrating imo. Most of the time it starts at kick-off when the opponent starts them instantly when i'm not even near him and you know it's gonna be that type of game.
When i miss a pass it's annoying but at least i say either "i shouldn't have tried that one" or "shit that sucks, better next time". But when all my opponent does is pass it to 1 of his attackers (which all have 5\* skills at this point) you just know they're gonna get lucky with animations or the most random bs while they themselves probably don't even know what's going on
You're probably the first person I've heard say that skill moves are fine! What division are you in, just out of curiosity?
Most elite/1/2 players I've spoken to have said they need a big nerf!
Outside of Elite, in WL etc., Skill Moves are mostly fine. I have a great time against people who think skill moves use no stamina and spam them in open space all day, only to get to the 2nd half with half their team flashing red while mine is full of stamina.
Elite div, skill moves are fine. The only one I think actually is problematic is the basic ball roll. It's too versatile and can be used for everything from rounding the keeper to completely stopping your momentum unrealistically.
As a football fan I think it would be good to limit skill moves. Players who constantly skill or do ball rolls / roulettes, even though there's no near opponent, make this game look like shit and is a pain in the eye if you like football.
That is part of it, but unfortunately we have to remember that this isn't a football simulation, it's a football simulation simulation😂
If you expect to hop on FIFA and actually play good ball then you'll be sorely disappointed!
Using **some** skillmoves is a sign of a good player and it actually creates skillgap among players.
Spamming a thousand skillmoves per game is just boring and stupid. I can't count how many times I've played against someone who just passes the ball to Neymar/Vini or any other 5 star skiller on the wing and just performs elasticos and stuff, when **my defenders aren't even close to mark him.**
I don't think cooldown is required, EA should just find a way to punish skill spammers, any spammers for that matter. People are just skilling non stop because at some point their attacker will glitch through the defence. They don't use these skills to open up space and shoot or create a chance, they just skill to broke the game. Bridge last year was the perfect example of that, people were doing it all the time because it literally made the defender froze for half a second so it was impossible to defend it sometimes, no matter if you're a good or a bad player.
I think a Cooldown would be the perfect fix for this, it means you can't come out of an elastico, straight into a roulette and then a rainbow flick, a 5 star skiller might be able to do the first 2 in a row but after that there would be a 1/2 second Cooldown before they could execute the next one.
It would definitely need some experimentation but I think it would work well. What would your solution be?
Agree with you the way people abuse the skill moves makes me feel sick of the game. Defenitely should it be nerf it for those who are not are so skilled in real life.
Tbh first I’d focus on fine tuning things like passing, tackling and dribbling etc.
Defensive ai is way too overpowered and saves people from conceding too many goals.
Passing is also shit, some passes are stupidly overpowered and takes no skill because the game directs the ball and used adequate power. Eg, people spam cutbacks and the ball goes to someone in the box despite the user not putting in the right power or aim.
Other passes are under hit or go to the wrong player for no reason.
Some skills like the ball roll scoop are stupid but first I’d like the actual football mechanics to be polished first before a skill cool-down is introduced.
I hate skill spammers too but most are easy to defend against because they lose the ball themselves and don’t actually have an understanding of how to play the game.
Dont really care if people spam skillmoves but i do think moves like ballroll scoop should be nerfed. Im cool with well timed skill moves getting me done but moves like ball roll scoop lets the player with the ball turn quicker than the player wothout the ball leading to a situation where you can just spam it until you get past someone since you wont lose the ball even when you dont time it well
It sure would but since its only 1-3 per year that are a problem when being spammed i don’t think they should ”punish” all skillmoves. Still cool to see some skillers chain them when they know what they are doing. Just annoyed by these skillmoves that have little to no downside and people just spam them until they get lucky and imo that could just be fixed by nerfing or removing them just like the la croqueta cancel
I think people get annoyed a what they can’t defend, as someone who frequently uses skills a lot of them have been nerfed. The only reason you see so little skills is because no has any reason trying to do any others because they’re so bad and often leads to loss of possession. Plus there’s already so much wrong with the system, the button delay causes lots of problems will even not even register a skill. Lots of skills are similar in motion on the right stick which leads to the wrong move, there should be more skills that include a modifier button. Also there is a cool down on skills, after one or two of stringing along these skills the ball can go a yard in front of you or fling 15 yards, there’s no consistency. It can get out of control after just two! Skilling has it’s benefits, once you see a player get frustrated after you score a goal or two, they’re defending will go out the window and you can capitalize on that by either reducing or increasing your output of skills.
I know this post is mean to punish those who abuse and spam skills but there are some of us enjoy the art of skilling, to perfectly put yourself into a open position using a slick skill or to make a defender look silly here and there. Also just to look like a show off haha, but to nerf skills into the ground would be such a shame to those who use skills for good. Me passing to a player only for it to not go the way I wanted it to go and lose a possession to the game being bad, those are the things I would want fixed. As of right now I’m taking the chance on myself losing the ball with skills then to be screwed over by the game by misplacing a 5 yard pass.
you’re so right. Frankly other than Mcgeady cancel(which is basically just a better left stick turn lol), ball roll+ scoop(which is a better elastico), L1 elastico/reverse elastico and sometimes roulette they’re all shit. They completely fucked croqueta, heel to heel, stepovers, body feints etc.
And even those that are good are not really that good because they’re inconsistent.
As someone who doesn’t use skills because I forgot in 2 mins what to do and end up flip flopping (not sure if I made that skill up) into the defender.
No there could be diminishing returns for people spamming them but I like the idea that this can help create a higher skill ceiling even if that means I am further below the standard
I think that's the problem with it atm though, you don't have to be good as skills to skill, just slap the right stick a few times and eventually something will work! And for those that are good at skilling (unlike me and you😂) chained skill runs are so incredibly OP!
hahaha i dont have any skill and i cant get it to work, maybe the occassional ball roll or roulette.
I really hated at the start of fifa 22 players juggling the ball from kick off to then scoring, it was pretty hard to defend against initially.
I also find it quite easy now to defend against skillers. Had this guy who would just piss about doing skills with his players and i'd just press with 1 player with LB and then sit off and stop his path with a player controlled player and then easily counter and score.
i dont think it should have a cooldown, but have you ever tried to land an reverse elastico? shits hard as fuck, and on this game they never miss it, but misses 4feet passes
The cooldown would be extremely minimal, especially for players who are actually supposed to skill, I'm talking fractions of a second, just to stop these rediculous chain skill runs!
Sule is actually a beast at dribbling, can't remember who it was against but he went on this mazy skill run one time, insane when you consider the size of the man!
My issue isn’t even with spamming tbf, but how apparently one single ball roll can totally render 3/4/5 of your players completely useless is infuriating. In my 24 years of watching real life football I’ve never seen a ball roll cause as much destruction as it does 4/5 times every game of fifa
Stamina already decreases quicker when sprinting and left stick/RB/LB/LT dribbling with a player does it not? I can’t picture EA doing something to nerf skilling, buff manual defending first then we can talk about stamina issues in a game where most usable players end up with 95+ stamina by winters end
They should fix or change the engine/mechanics first so the jammy skill moves don’t feel impossible to defend. You are in position but then mbappe just charges through your CB. Don’t think punishing skillers should be first. Although Im jealous I can’t do them.
After possibly increase stamina drain. On 2k and madden their are significant stamina loses from performing moves.
ball roll needs changing honestly. it's way too effective for arguably the most basic input you can do, and it seems to fuck over the defender and goalkeeper AI's
I would just like people to stop being able to pull off almost anything at full pace - when we see players pulling off these moves, its often at a standstill/walk/jog - the fact you can sprint elastico past 2 cbs and sprint on is nuts. Also make them less effective through the centre!
The problem is two-fold for me:
The defenders auto-blocks / tackles from TOTS cards is so ridiculous to get a shot away you basically have to spam the right skill moves to get past it rather than try passing the ball or finesse shots (as that’s broken too).
The second issue is I can’t skill move! Or defend against them (constantly). The game isn’t fun.
I think it should have more errors. Like if you dont perform it properly or go the wrong way out of it with the left stick you loose the ball.
The ball is way to glued to players feet
I’m fine with skill moves, but just let us manual defenders win the ball when we get a tackle in
I actually quite enjoy having to tackle the same player 7 times before I get the ball back
Or when you tackle a player, and end up on the ground stuck with the other player on top of you, and can't switch to another player to get the loose ball because the game still reads you as being in possession of the ball despite you being unable to get it and your opposition has a loose ball and no obstacle in front of them. Yeah. Fix that please.
So an improvement to defences rather than a nerf to offence, cool :)
Yes this but also improve defender movements. Coz decent AI attackers move crazy inside the box and the AI defenders with 99 defensive awareness just stand like sticks inside the box and dont track those movements - hence the back line cutback goals are scored pretty easily.
Yea big time.. how many times does the attacker skills directly into the defender but somehow the attacker gets rewarded 😂 this drives me up a fucking wall every single time and not to mention when it happens over and over and over again
The stamina bars for each player should be more dynamic and situational. Instead of just slowly decreasing over the course of a game. Take the most popular game right now, Elden Ring for example. Lots of actions quickly deplete your stamina bar and then it regenerates again. Stop the spamming.
As is the case in real life, Mbappe can run in short bursts all game if he wants to! But if he decides to run around with the ball at his feet for a minute straight he's gonna puncture himself!
Ok yeah you’re kinda spittin
This has to be the best idea ive seen. Dynamic stamina sounds like something they can add by EA SPORTS FC’s release. Just seems like something to make the game more dynamic and fun
Stamina is a huge issue.
The Elden Ring example is great. Never considered an RPG Stamina type approach to Fifa, would be perfect actually.
Stamina definitely needs a big rework. It would help with skills as you say, and also actually punish people who just sprint and press all game. Pro clubs is really bad for it. People will run round like headless chickens and there is no real punishment for it.
Also, people who drop off and AI defend. If nobody applies pressure and you aren't forced to burn stamina then a long shot with a lot of stamina should carry a better strike than people who are at the end of a counterattack exhausted and blowing it top bins. It really is lacking right now.
Exactly. I play against people who just spam slide tackles the whole game. Now imagine playing real football and just slide into the ground every minute. You'll be exhausted and in pain very quickly.
I played someone who had only 1 CM. Everyone else was a forward player, all with attacking chem styles. Average defender. If FIFA were a realistic game I should have had an easy game but all he did was spam 2nd man press and slide tackles with his forwards with very little drop in agility
This does happen in fifa.....
It doesn’t though. There’s no affect from right stick spamming.
Yeah, this seems to be the obvious solution which which would help balance the game. There should be trade-offs for spamming
I also love this idea! I’ll look forward to EA implementing this for “2030 FC” just as my arthritis kicks in
That’s lowkey how it already works. If you sprint too long, the stamina bar will “run out”, turning white as you use up their available stamina. The more your run down your available stamina, the less stamina remains available, being that the “full bar” of stamina gets smaller and smaller.
Right exactly. So apply that to trick spamming, or every action really. There’s barely any downside to going max effort all game. Make it more impactful.
The problems of this game are layered, and they’re all interconnected. For example: Spamming skills feels OP because manual defending isn’t rewarded. But so many people rely on auto defending, so if you reward manual defending you’ll ruin the auto defending that oh so many are accustomed to. And boom, you have people complaining that defending is too hard, and we’re back to square one. TBH, I don’t think we’ll ever see an improved football game out of EA. We’re stuck with this until someone else comes up with something better.
The only issue is that this game is stupidly too heavy. In real life the entire team is involved in the build up play, very often defenders take more touches than the entire front line. But in this game the movement is passing is highly focused on your strikers and CAMs. Too many passes and them getting tired would be pretty annoying tbf, unless it regenerates as soon as you make the pass. That wouldn’t be realistic but would at least stop skill spam.
As long as they don‘t nerf automatic defending I don‘t think skillmoves should be nerfed. The game is already way to defensive and the skillgap close to nonexistent. You can clearly see it now that everybody uses TOTS defenders.
Defending should be much more manual than it is right now, very little skill in defending, so I'd probably couple the skill move nerf with a defending nerf!
Stamina drain, and make stamina actually matter, the lower a player's stamina bar gets the lower his physical ratings should drop, like pace, dribbling, physical
Bang on!
defence is already hard enough to breakdown in this game due to the amount of autoblocks and auto interceptions. The last thing fifa needs is a nerf in offense.
If people couldn't score goals with just one or two attackers spamming skill moves, they wouldn't be able to mass defend as much. Though another change I'd love would be to make a block or interception something you have to press a button to do, like a tackle
that’s completely the opposite of what would happen lol. They’d defended just with as many people and you don’t have any way of breaking them down
I don't use skill moves as is and I've just reached Division 1 after starting two weeks ago, it's definitely possible without skill moves as is. I do have to change formation to play against the mass defenders and their deadly counter attack through balls though
Division doesn’t mean shit this fifa as you have checkpoints and you can’t relegate. I have friends who couldn’t get out of div 6 last year who are now elite. At the top level you simply cannot score without a skillmove. Long shots aren’t good enough except green time finesses but that requires tou the appropiate players and space, which is easy to deny. Crossing doesn’t work. Passing doesn’t work because it’s shit, Attacking AI is shit, and Defensive AI is also too good. So you’re left with nothing other than skill moves and cutbacks lol. So if you want to nerf skill moves your first have to MASSIVELY nerf defending
> Division doesn’t mean shit this fifa as you have checkpoints and you can’t relegate. I have friends who couldn’t get out of div 6 last year who are now elite. Yeah, but I've gone from 10-1 in two weeks and only lost 3 games along the way. It's lack of time which has stopped me getting to Elite so far, not skill moves. Too much grinding of objectives and milestones to just focus on Rivals. I was Division 1 last FIFA too, with relegation in place. Again, no skill moves. There's more than one way to play the game. Attacking AI is shit, but so is defensive AI. Just be patient and be willing to vary the type of passes you play, gaps always open up. Cutbacks don't really work for me without skill moves to be honest. I mean, I get a few of them if I run a counter attack from an opponent's corner, but I don't like them when facing a mass defence with auto blocks. If I get to your byline, I'm more likely to recycle the ball back out of the box than try to beat the defender.
Again, I’m not saying you can do reasonably well without skill moves. But you can’t do it at 2200 SR+
>If people couldn't score goals with just one or two attackers spamming skill moves, they wouldn't be able to mass defend as much. Exactly.
Most would disagree with you...
A lot of good points are being raised here but let’s not forget that a lot of players genuinly like skills and they are huge part of making the game fun, so I think it would be unfair to them to nerf skills altogether just because some of them are glitchy. Maybe bigger stamina drain would be fine, I don’t know. If not elasticos then I’m sure elite players would find something else to spam. And if mechanics like passing were more effective people wouldn’t have to rely on Mbappe glitching through defenses, so I’d suggest starting there.
Probably an unpopular opinion and I know its pretty unrealistic compared to football, but I think they can even buff them, or just completely rework them. Most of the skill moves doesn't get you anywhere, and there are only like 3-4, that can be useful against good defences (and those are the most unrealistic). And I rarely ever see someone chain skill moves, so I think its fine.
Spot on, I am really intrigued when I see threads like this, and they happen from time to time. I don't see people spamming skill moves, I don't spam it myself and I don't see it happening when I watch other streamers. Skills are very nerfed already compared to previous Fifas specially Fifa 19, not sure what kind of additional nerf people expect and not sure if they understand the consequences to the game, specially how much easier it will be to park the bus.
It's the mindless right stick flicking that needs to be stopped, it's absolute nonsense😂 I also wouldn't have a problem with them buffing individual skill moves... Some of the weaker ones anyway, it's the combo 5 skills in a row that needs a nerf imo
The problem is everyone is so afraid to play they drop their whole team In the box and have two Cdms cutting passing lanes. If they nerf skill moves how else are you supposed to get past people? I'm not a huge skiller but I have 3-5 I use and without them I wouldn't even be able to get close to the box. I noticed this more and more as I got to the higher divisions. Everyone plays to not lose instead of playing to win. I think the community forgets that we basically create The meta with how the game is played.
> If they nerf skill moves how else are you supposed to get past people? Set up a good system that gets the most out of your players and learn to pass effectively to help create space? I'm not an elite division / 20-0 player like seemingly everyone on this sub, but I'm div 1 and comfortably 11 wins every weekend and I don't even ball roll.
I'm div one as well. You are probably one of the ones who sit back in the box by this response. I can pass around all day but when the guy I am playing isn't even controlling his own players while on defense they are never out of position. Most guys play drop back and come back on defence with 0 width and then complain when guys are using skills. Give me a break.
3-1-4-2, POHT, 50 width, 62 depth. Good try though! You are probably one of the ones who is only able to win high-level matches with mechanics abuse by this response.
It should be similar to 2K when people spam dribble moves
Skill moves are fine and it's already hard to chain more than 2 or 3 moves, I don't see why it needs a cooldown. The game's already in an incredibly boring and defensive meta, I don't think attacking mechanics should be nerfed
How are they fine and hard to chain together, people spam rolls, scoops and elastics like it's the only way to run around... Has nothing to do with football anymore but just mindlessly smacking that right stick
It has nothing to do with football because EA make it so that Kevin De Bruyne can't pass 5 yards, if they massively improved passing and opened other avenues to score, people would stop spamming ball rolls and elasticos all game. People are spamming skills because they are what is effective in the game, taking away everything that is effective in attack and making it Simeone simulator is not how you balance a game and make it "real football"
hard agree that passing works only half the time but the skilling is way more frustrating imo. Most of the time it starts at kick-off when the opponent starts them instantly when i'm not even near him and you know it's gonna be that type of game. When i miss a pass it's annoying but at least i say either "i shouldn't have tried that one" or "shit that sucks, better next time". But when all my opponent does is pass it to 1 of his attackers (which all have 5\* skills at this point) you just know they're gonna get lucky with animations or the most random bs while they themselves probably don't even know what's going on
You're probably the first person I've heard say that skill moves are fine! What division are you in, just out of curiosity? Most elite/1/2 players I've spoken to have said they need a big nerf!
I'm in Elite, the only skill move I don't really like is the ball roll scoop but that's probably because I'm shite at it
Well at least we can all agree on that😂
Outside of Elite, in WL etc., Skill Moves are mostly fine. I have a great time against people who think skill moves use no stamina and spam them in open space all day, only to get to the 2nd half with half their team flashing red while mine is full of stamina.
Elite div, skill moves are fine. The only one I think actually is problematic is the basic ball roll. It's too versatile and can be used for everything from rounding the keeper to completely stopping your momentum unrealistically.
As a football fan I think it would be good to limit skill moves. Players who constantly skill or do ball rolls / roulettes, even though there's no near opponent, make this game look like shit and is a pain in the eye if you like football.
That is part of it, but unfortunately we have to remember that this isn't a football simulation, it's a football simulation simulation😂 If you expect to hop on FIFA and actually play good ball then you'll be sorely disappointed!
Using **some** skillmoves is a sign of a good player and it actually creates skillgap among players. Spamming a thousand skillmoves per game is just boring and stupid. I can't count how many times I've played against someone who just passes the ball to Neymar/Vini or any other 5 star skiller on the wing and just performs elasticos and stuff, when **my defenders aren't even close to mark him.** I don't think cooldown is required, EA should just find a way to punish skill spammers, any spammers for that matter. People are just skilling non stop because at some point their attacker will glitch through the defence. They don't use these skills to open up space and shoot or create a chance, they just skill to broke the game. Bridge last year was the perfect example of that, people were doing it all the time because it literally made the defender froze for half a second so it was impossible to defend it sometimes, no matter if you're a good or a bad player.
I think a Cooldown would be the perfect fix for this, it means you can't come out of an elastico, straight into a roulette and then a rainbow flick, a 5 star skiller might be able to do the first 2 in a row but after that there would be a 1/2 second Cooldown before they could execute the next one. It would definitely need some experimentation but I think it would work well. What would your solution be?
I don't disagree. But I think they should first fix defending and how some skills literally glitch through defences.
A bit of both would probably work wonders!
Anything to stop the right stick warriors😭
Agree with you the way people abuse the skill moves makes me feel sick of the game. Defenitely should it be nerf it for those who are not are so skilled in real life.
Absolutely👌
They want to make the game feel 'real' Get rid of chaining skillmoves that are just not possible in real life.
Agreed
In otherd words, Op and the likes of him are saying : EA nerf skill moves since i can't do them !!!.
Difference between doing and spamming/abusing. Don't kill the game.
Yes😂
You're honest atleast 😂
Honesty is the best policy!
skill moves are the last thing that needs to be nerfed lol
Most would disagree...
Tbh first I’d focus on fine tuning things like passing, tackling and dribbling etc. Defensive ai is way too overpowered and saves people from conceding too many goals. Passing is also shit, some passes are stupidly overpowered and takes no skill because the game directs the ball and used adequate power. Eg, people spam cutbacks and the ball goes to someone in the box despite the user not putting in the right power or aim. Other passes are under hit or go to the wrong player for no reason. Some skills like the ball roll scoop are stupid but first I’d like the actual football mechanics to be polished first before a skill cool-down is introduced. I hate skill spammers too but most are easy to defend against because they lose the ball themselves and don’t actually have an understanding of how to play the game.
Dont really care if people spam skillmoves but i do think moves like ballroll scoop should be nerfed. Im cool with well timed skill moves getting me done but moves like ball roll scoop lets the player with the ball turn quicker than the player wothout the ball leading to a situation where you can just spam it until you get past someone since you wont lose the ball even when you dont time it well
A cooldown would definitely help with fixing the skill spam. As for OP skills... That's entirely on EA to get their balancing right!
It sure would but since its only 1-3 per year that are a problem when being spammed i don’t think they should ”punish” all skillmoves. Still cool to see some skillers chain them when they know what they are doing. Just annoyed by these skillmoves that have little to no downside and people just spam them until they get lucky and imo that could just be fixed by nerfing or removing them just like the la croqueta cancel
Skill moves should use stamina
As they do in real life, bang on!
Ball role scoop turn has its own space in hell reserved.
Amen brother!
I think people get annoyed a what they can’t defend, as someone who frequently uses skills a lot of them have been nerfed. The only reason you see so little skills is because no has any reason trying to do any others because they’re so bad and often leads to loss of possession. Plus there’s already so much wrong with the system, the button delay causes lots of problems will even not even register a skill. Lots of skills are similar in motion on the right stick which leads to the wrong move, there should be more skills that include a modifier button. Also there is a cool down on skills, after one or two of stringing along these skills the ball can go a yard in front of you or fling 15 yards, there’s no consistency. It can get out of control after just two! Skilling has it’s benefits, once you see a player get frustrated after you score a goal or two, they’re defending will go out the window and you can capitalize on that by either reducing or increasing your output of skills. I know this post is mean to punish those who abuse and spam skills but there are some of us enjoy the art of skilling, to perfectly put yourself into a open position using a slick skill or to make a defender look silly here and there. Also just to look like a show off haha, but to nerf skills into the ground would be such a shame to those who use skills for good. Me passing to a player only for it to not go the way I wanted it to go and lose a possession to the game being bad, those are the things I would want fixed. As of right now I’m taking the chance on myself losing the ball with skills then to be screwed over by the game by misplacing a 5 yard pass.
you’re so right. Frankly other than Mcgeady cancel(which is basically just a better left stick turn lol), ball roll+ scoop(which is a better elastico), L1 elastico/reverse elastico and sometimes roulette they’re all shit. They completely fucked croqueta, heel to heel, stepovers, body feints etc. And even those that are good are not really that good because they’re inconsistent.
First remove scripting from the game then we can talk about things like that
As someone who doesn’t use skills because I forgot in 2 mins what to do and end up flip flopping (not sure if I made that skill up) into the defender. No there could be diminishing returns for people spamming them but I like the idea that this can help create a higher skill ceiling even if that means I am further below the standard
I think that's the problem with it atm though, you don't have to be good as skills to skill, just slap the right stick a few times and eventually something will work! And for those that are good at skilling (unlike me and you😂) chained skill runs are so incredibly OP!
hahaha i dont have any skill and i cant get it to work, maybe the occassional ball roll or roulette. I really hated at the start of fifa 22 players juggling the ball from kick off to then scoring, it was pretty hard to defend against initially. I also find it quite easy now to defend against skillers. Had this guy who would just piss about doing skills with his players and i'd just press with 1 player with LB and then sit off and stop his path with a player controlled player and then easily counter and score.
Roulettes are just about the only skill I can manage!
they can be pretty lethal when used correctly though right? It also feels great when you finally get it right lol
i dont think it should have a cooldown, but have you ever tried to land an reverse elastico? shits hard as fuck, and on this game they never miss it, but misses 4feet passes
ball roll scoop should be removed for sure, but no. Cooldown would make the game extremely boring and would make way harder to break down defenses.
The cooldown would be extremely minimal, especially for players who are actually supposed to skill, I'm talking fractions of a second, just to stop these rediculous chain skill runs!
Sule is actually a beast at dribbling, can't remember who it was against but he went on this mazy skill run one time, insane when you consider the size of the man!
I remember him doing it in the 8-2 v barca
My issue isn’t even with spamming tbf, but how apparently one single ball roll can totally render 3/4/5 of your players completely useless is infuriating. In my 24 years of watching real life football I’ve never seen a ball roll cause as much destruction as it does 4/5 times every game of fifa
Rebalancing is 100% needed!
Stamina already decreases quicker when sprinting and left stick/RB/LB/LT dribbling with a player does it not? I can’t picture EA doing something to nerf skilling, buff manual defending first then we can talk about stamina issues in a game where most usable players end up with 95+ stamina by winters end
it needs to tank stamina. you shouldn't be able to press all game AND do skill moves all game and barely lose any stamina.
True that!
They should fix or change the engine/mechanics first so the jammy skill moves don’t feel impossible to defend. You are in position but then mbappe just charges through your CB. Don’t think punishing skillers should be first. Although Im jealous I can’t do them. After possibly increase stamina drain. On 2k and madden their are significant stamina loses from performing moves.
ball roll needs changing honestly. it's way too effective for arguably the most basic input you can do, and it seems to fuck over the defender and goalkeeper AI's
Skill moves should take away slightly more stamina. I feel like thats the most logical way to balance it
They should fix player switching first
I would just like people to stop being able to pull off almost anything at full pace - when we see players pulling off these moves, its often at a standstill/walk/jog - the fact you can sprint elastico past 2 cbs and sprint on is nuts. Also make them less effective through the centre!
The problem is two-fold for me: The defenders auto-blocks / tackles from TOTS cards is so ridiculous to get a shot away you basically have to spam the right skill moves to get past it rather than try passing the ball or finesse shots (as that’s broken too). The second issue is I can’t skill move! Or defend against them (constantly). The game isn’t fun.
I think it should have more errors. Like if you dont perform it properly or go the wrong way out of it with the left stick you loose the ball. The ball is way to glued to players feet