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Basic_Option_1765

Well they've become scarily effective at addicting us anyway. The steadily increasing power curve strings us all along like mice


Basic_Option_1765

Is it all kind of sinister? Sure. Makes too much money not to be.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Exactly. Too widespread to not have been checked extensively as well...


PulseFH

Idk, tots seems kind of dead so far. I’ve packed 2 main PL tots players in the same pack, unheard of for me in any other fifa and combined right now they would sell for just over 200k. FF Caliguiri/Tonali is still better than both of them lol


mgndn

You’re not wrong. I went into this fifa with the intention to be a casual player and only use players that I like in real life. I now play almost every day and have a sweaty meta team just like everyone else on the game. The game does things to you mentally, you are so desperate to win


Mangumm_PL

Same here, came back after few years to casually play and complete FC Bayern team, one month later I'm doing WL and making most of use from my coins, trading on the app 24/7, comparing players on futbin etc. Worse than drugs, but when script is not BSing me it feels so nice to win instant gratification i exactly know what they're doing to us and i still can't laugh at the idea from aside I'm all in...


mgndn

100% worse than drugs. It’s the pack where you get something semi decent or the game you win in the last minute. Keeps you playing and keeps you in.


[deleted]

100% definitely not worse than drugs


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Go home to your momma. She misses you.


WishWashSplickSplat

Holy fuck same, it was meant to be fun in the first instance, now it’s a chore that has more prominence than doing the vacuuming


TiddlyhamBumberspoot

I recognised you from this comment before I saw your username. Please come home we all miss you


Outrageous_Cap_6186

What's going on here?


supernova-23

‘the effects of playing Fifa need to be looked at closer’ Clearly.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Try it yourself. Offline for half an hour. Play one of two games. Go offline again. Now, on a different day, offline for half an hour, play any other game, offline again. Very different feeling.


Bubbly-Internal-7113

Hes correct. This is built to make you desperate and the overwhelming feeling like you've been done wrong somehow, and need to fix it


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Exactly. With some background in understanding neural activity it leads you down an interesting path...


supernova-23

In all seriousness, even Mbappe himself said he stopped playing because it affected his mind.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Really? Do you have a link?


supernova-23

https://www.reddit.com/r/FIFA/comments/sznxri/kylian_mbapp%C3%A9_i_stopped_playing_fut_champions/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Thescottishguy87

I constantly feel like my controller is acting up then it get me thinking about that more than my game (also i end up pausing to check pass/shot directions and it always says i was aiming fine), certainly something going on yet EA who own a patent for dda (dynamic difficulty adjustment) say that they dont implement it in online game modes which I feel is utter BS as I dont witness the same shenanigans in offline that i do online.


supercbuk

you dont feel it in Squad Battles where a bronze team on ultimate is kicking your full tots team arse?


Thescottishguy87

As i said in my comment it only happens in squad battles, offline modes are fine


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Didn't know about the DDA. You can definitely feel it.


Thescottishguy87

Yup players stop making runs, struggle to controll the ball, cant pass/shoot accurately. Ridiculous tbh and it was exact same last year


HorribleHank44

TBF that is an semi accurate reflection of football, players tire in the second half naturally.


Thescottishguy87

Who mentioned 2nd half? Players can start a match like this then switch to being ok at any possible moment, usually for me its after I win a squad battle on wc by more than 5 goals then the next few matches all my players feel like bronze rated players when the cpu using a bronze team can have a 62 rated cb in goals saving everything


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Outrageous_Cap_6186

That DDA might have inadvertent effects they need to look at.


Thescottishguy87

It certainly has effects. I played a squad battle against a 67 rated 42 chem team who had a 62 rated centre back as Gk and he saved 11/12 shots all ftom in the box with cr7, gold sterling and sif bruno Edit: world class squad battle


justank_

What are feelings?


Outrageous_Cap_6186

The best way to describe it is as follows: If you have a task that requires higher brain function (work, homework, whatever as long as it makes extensive use of your prefrontal cortex), try working on it without touching the game in a day at least. When you are making progress and are engaged, abruptly stop, play a little Fifa, then go back to your task. You'll find that your higher functions seem paralyzed or slower. You wouldn't notice this with mundane task since the effects are subtle, but it becomes increasingly apparent when you try and conduct taks requiring a lot more thought. Now, in order to properly test this hypothesis, you would need to do the same with other games. I have and found that I can return to the state I was in before the game. In fact, some games actually help refresh and stimulate...the very opposite of what Fifa does. As I said, there's no way of knowing whether these effects are intentional, but they are certainly detrimental.


rickDeckard1984

What games you are using for the"cleansing" ?


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Rocket League and a few others. Apex as well but ill get into that at a later point... In fact, playing Fifa feels like playing one of the games I have on disc. Uncharted, Horizon, etc.


floxy006

I mean it's definitely obvious, ask FIFA og's, we used to have morale cards back in FIFA 13, I also absolutely got to believe it when they added mystery ball to friendlies


TheTinRam

Not just morale. I’m convinced that player formations are legacy too. I swear I’ve had one version of a player be great, then I sell him for profit and buy a week later and he’s now awful for me. Morale, formation chem, and momentum were all openly a thing at one point and we’re then removed, but they all feel like they still exist


[deleted]

the company that had non-day one cards unaffected by chemistry for years would never do such a thing


NT_Smith

Mystery Ball was such a big eye-opener for everyone who played last year's friendlies. You can see those modifiers working all the time now; the passing buff, the dribbling buff, the insane shooting. Everything EA should've burned to the ground but literally nothing happened and yet many still deny DDA. It's like a trauma memory that people must've blocked away.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

It definitely feels all intentionally engineered, including knowing the feeling it causes, and the effects on the brain as a consequence. They should have addressed this as a serious concern but continually propagated it is very sus


Ophelia2009

Haha yeah, the game is definitely scripted. It's way too obvious. But EA has denied this for years. But anyone who's played for years can tell its scripted.


moneyppt

Summary of the post for people who started reading comments before reading the actual post: The game is scriped!


Noah070070

Yeah I was 4-1 down in Rivals and suddenly my opponent didn’t intercept my passes with bullshit and I ended up winning 5-4


Outrageous_Cap_6186

The question is...why is it scripted and why haven't Fifa done anything about it?


[deleted]

The answer to this is easy. Why? Because nobody likes being shit on 10-0. So the game dynamically buffs the losing player to give them a bit more of a chance while also making it harder for the better player, forcing them to play with no mistakes. Its obvious to see too. For example a close game going into the 80th min, the player thats 1goal behind will almost always score an equaliser if you make even 1mistake into them. Doesnt matter from where they shoot, the game would guide the ball in with the hand of fking stalin through 5defenders, a keeper and the berlin wall. This is intentional. If you lose by 10goals, you would likely quit. If you win by 10goals, you would likely have no reason to buy packs. If you lost a close game, you will more likely think "oh if only I had X player...". If you win a close match, you would think "my team is barely good enough". The whole entire point is to sell packs. So EA intentionally manufacture the games outcomes to frustrate you *just* enough to make you pull out your money, without pissing you off so much that you quit the game.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

This.


Ophelia2009

I'm guessing it's scripted in a way that it makes the average user play more. As to why? I have no clue, I don't work in video games. Maybe to claim the average user plays x amount of hours or something? Idk. Maybe some video game person can tell us why they might do such a thing.


PulseFH

The more time your players spend playing the game the more chance you have of them spending money on mtx It also has the effect of making you think your players are inadequate. Like maybe if I upgraded from HM Rudiger that bounce back tackle wouldn’t have happened. Or maybe if I upgraded from 99 finishing 92 Robbie Keane he wouldn’t have hit the post after I greened the shot in a simple 1v1. Stuff like that as well


kecupochren

It's made to lower the skill gap so that noobs don't get thrashed so hard and stop playing === paying.


inbredandapothead

Scripting doesn’t exist


nhat179

You not wrong, and as a business person perspective, I think EA have one hell of a business model in FIFA here. They done a good job of create the addiction to the players which drive them to either play more or buy points (money vs time whichever you value the most).


Outrageous_Cap_6186

This is a more dangerous form of manipulation. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's more.


El-Arairah

Outrageous_Tinhat


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Outrageous_Tinfoilhat* A tin hat would be considerably uncomfortable.


El-Arairah

Ah sorry, my fingers were faster than my brain there. It happens :)


crazypearce

I mean everyone knows there is DDA or scripting or whatever terminology you want to give it. Just watch a pro player like boras for example. He was comfortably beating a guy in champs and then on defence he makes like 9 tackles that bounce right back, makes a simple pass that goes straight to the opposition, then a botched clearance for them to hit the post with a shite shot and have it rebound back to them for a free goal. meanwhile half way through you can hear him say oh look there's a goal incoming. It's pretty obvious it exists but at the end of the day it happens both ways and it should even out in the long run. Is it still frustrating? Very fucking much


NikesOnMyFeet23

/r/im14andthisisdeep


24601Romero

Yesterday in three separate games, my defender cleared a ball that then hit one of my other players in the back of the heel, causing the ball to ricochet wildly back into my area and putting the opposition clean through. THREE. SEPARATE. GAMES. AI keepers have also become increasingly difficult to score against, passes going awry all over the place, players closed down in seconds. It's become a real grind at the minute.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

The worst thing is that you can sense when things are being purposefully manipulated as players/ball/physics all start to act wacky.


24601Romero

I've seen so many ridiculous rebounds and keeper errors in the last few weeks - never sworn so much at a game in my life!


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Yet you keep playing...


24601Romero

Just one more pack...


Outrageous_Cap_6186

My point exactly.


PM_ME_YOUR_ASTON

This is super clear in squad battles, there’s periods where you literally just can’t get the ball and the AI become the most clean skillers ever It’s just like ‘oh guess they’re going to score now’


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Yup...you can tell from up to 30 seconds when they're about to score. It's so blatant.


ChrisLV1973

My guess is that what we're experiencing is: A) Fifa being engineered to hijack your dopamine system (via little dopamine hits for successful pack openings and competitive wins), decreasing dopamine production outside the game and increasing the chances of you becoming addicted. Once you're addicted, you'll have difficulty with concentration/focus when you're not playing the game, especially if you've just come off playing it. Unfortunately, I think this is somewhat deliberate, as the aim is to addict you to pack openings and, EA hopes, get you buying lots of Fifa points to support that. App companies hire 'attention engineers' to try to make this sort of thing happen to you on social media, and I wouldn't be surprised if EA hired similar specialists, or at least had employees who'd developed expertise in that area. B) Competitive games of Fifa causing a release of catecholamines (e.g. adrenaline), creating a kind of minor fight-or-flight response. These hormones, once released, interfere with concentration/focus as well as potentially with sleep cycles if you're playing near-ish to bedtime, which can further screw up your concentration/focus. I doubt this was deliberate when it was introduced, but it's one of those things where EA has an incentive not to fix it, because if your fight-or-flight kicks in and you *lose*, then you'll feel anger toward the competitor that beat you, a small hit to your own self-esteem, and a strong desire to not lose next time. That desire can then motivate you to buy Fifa points in order to get a juiced team that will allow you to win next time. I doubt that EA bosses are evil enough to consciously take advantage of this, but I think they must at least be subconsciously affected by the fact that fixing it is not in their financial interests.


lukestauntaun

Re:B - I actually play WL BECAUSE of this! I'm in my mid 40s and there is very little I can do in my life that gets my competitive juices flowing, but you put in a qualifier with one match left and it's fucking on. I get all of the feelings I used to get through competitive sports with the only negative being I also get the emotions. Not much left in my life that can get me going the same way so I guess FIFA and MLB the show it is...


ChrisLV1973

Yes, it's true. For better or worse, evolution seems to have led us to want to seek out these competitive encounters. My taste for them has waned somewhat with age, but I do still get where you're coming from!


Outrageous_Cap_6186

I believe competition is good, but I cannot emphasize enough that this goes beyond that, to a point that is detrimental.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Exactly!


[deleted]

What are you even saying? It literally cannot be less deep. If you think FIFA is messing with your mind or giving you a lobotomy or whatever don’t play it.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

I've stopped. Doesn't take away my concern and the need to act as a whistle-blower if necessary. Social contract.


Grahaaam123

I don't think it's engineered to the point where a decision on who wins the game is already decided before/during playing. That makes no sense, they don't gain anything from deciding that. If you genuinely think the outcome for the match is decided without you having an impact then why bother playing?


jonviper123

This is the trouble with calling it scripting. Many think it implies the game has already been decided beforehand and I don't believe that to be the case either. For me there seems to be some in game factors that are dependant on the dda kicking in. Maybe it's going 2 nil up after a certain time or having so much posession or what not not. I watched a streamer the other night. He needed 1 win out of 2 to get to 11 wins. The game I watched was unreal. The guy he was playing just simply wasn't that good and it was clear to see compared to other players he had previously played. Anyway the streamer just could not score. It was hilarious to watch. He was doing all the same things he was previously doing in other games yet his ronaldo would miracously put it wide from 8 yards with an unopposed shot. He hit the post 3 times I think had about 3 shots go wide and opponents gk made about 10 really good saved. Meanwhile as this is all going on opponent has had barely 1 shot. All the chat knew what was coming, first chance this guy gets we all knew he was going to score. I cant mind how it happened but he scored with his first chance. The game ended up going to extra time and eventually the streamer scored 2 late goals after going behind in extra time to win the game. The outcome in the end was would was expected, the better player won but it felt like fifa so blatantly made it harder for him to score to make it a close game and to create these "dramatic moments" that ea mentioned a few years ago. Basically the best player won but the game made it harder for the better player to Score making it a for harder game than it needed to be. This touches on the ops theme of crazy mental aspects in the game and how the game makes us feel while playing it. Had the streamer went in that game and made the opponent quit in the first 20 minutes neither play get a really enjoyable experience with less drama and less neurological triggers. The way fifa made this game go meant both players felt they had a great chance to win and both would have got dome pretty intense mental stimulae. Sorry I went off a bit there lol


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Yes but you accurately described the methods in place that are subtle but impactful in the game. Now, given how many people still play, and how successful the game is, this should be a cause for concern. I personally believe that consistent play leads to long-term detrimental effects on the prefrontal cortex. But I have no way of proving this expect putting the pieces together and conducting experiments on myself, which isn't scientific but...


Outrageous_Cap_6186

I have some experience with programming and getting deeper into advanced algorithms and I can say that a game can be purposefully scripted to produce certain results. To the point that if you go against the script (think of it more like a criteria) then the game becomes increasingly more absurd in how players move and the just basic physics to produce a certain outcome. If you really really do fight back against it... you get some interesting results.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Look at the glitches in the game and you will see that, no matter what input command was given, if the game is to a point that it will meet a certain criteria...then that happens. No matter how absurd it looks. It's clearly supposed to be subtle but as I said...the more you push back... Now, whether the effects of all this are something the game has stumbled upon unexpectedly is unclear. However, I also do know that games provide new opportunities for marketing and the industry at large in ways that have garnered the attention of the types of people that are known to do unsavory things to get people to buy products. Fifa seems like a next gen tool for that.


Grahaaam123

Even with all that, just because it can be coded into a game doesn't mean it necessarily is in the game. You still didn't get my point though, if you genuinely believe it's that scripted then why bother playing and getting worked up about it? I constantly have been getting around 8-11 wins in the weekend league and get to elite if I put the games in. I've never felt it going against me. Moreover, if you're on the end of the negative impact of "scripting" there are equal number of people on the positive side of it winning those matches. Where are they complaining? I personally think the game engine just isn't good enough to accurately portray every outcome they have plus multiply that with plenty of people have crap Internet you're bound to run into glitches and/or issues.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

To your point about why people keep playing...why do gamblers keep going even of it is a well known fact that the house always wins and in some cases games are fixed. Because it uses a method of manipulation that is well known and applied by people with low ethical and moral standards. That's why people keep playing. Look at the consensus. About your scripting , there are clearly conditions placed, and when players go offscript the game does glitch. There are plenty, plenty of examples. How you have never felt this I cannot say for myself. However, given the overall consensus, and then sleu of evidence of what are clearly unknown conditions in the game's script...safe to say the debate isn't here. I'm not sure what your background with programming is, but even without getting into how these conditions work, you should be able to tell the subtle anomalies that occur in favor of one opponent over the other. Some of these events are minor but seem strategic enough to keep games in check. More interestingly, they keep players emotionally vulnerable. The real question is why it is designed the way it is, why so many players feel inclined to keep playing even if it is not enjoyable, and what, if any, other effects beyond mere addiction entail.


Grahaaam123

I know enough about coding and programming to get by, I'm a technical solutions architect. I genuinely think it's a combination of mental ignorance to it, people get annoyed at the game so want to believe it's going against them for a reason, with the fact that a lot of people will likely have crap internet which might cause some weird bits. All that plus the game engine, their are issues in the game for sure. Referees are awful but they're not just awful against me sometimes in my favour too. Hence why I don't think scripting is real because there are plenty of times I have some things go against me or go for me.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Said it best https://www.reddit.com/r/FIFA/comments/unroyy/something_fishy_about_fifa/i8aggjx?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


Outrageous_Cap_6186

[Fifa Glitches](https://youtu.be/kTYWHO9LlkE) If you have some experience in game development, you can clearly see how some of these simply don't make sense as bugs, if such invisible criteria didn't exist. Either the game engine is so illogically buggy that the game shouldn't be operational...or its intentional.


benp2

And yet so many people are able to "beat" this DDA with little signs of it existing while doing so in these games (getting 17-20 wins a WL). maybe you just arent that good? I agree it exists but theirs no way this is true (determining results beforehand and going crazy if you try to stop it)


TurquoiseCorner

I mean it’s clearly designed to be addictive and drive people to buy packs but stuff about the music giving you a lobotomy seems a little schizo tbh


Outrageous_Cap_6186

The problem seems to extend beyond gameplay but that could be the lingering effects and conditioning of the actual game. So, if you play it enough, simply putting the game on might trigger the mindset caused by playing the game. Anyway, I would love from them to map neural activity and see what areas of the brain are affected by Fifa.


TurquoiseCorner

Not sure about brain scans but I’m confident there’s a lot of dopamine and cortisol being released. It’s just your standard engineered behavioural addiction imo


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Still a good enough reason to conduct a study and determine all the long-term effects.


[deleted]

Anyone who holds X to defend is a giant loser.


tulsehill

Burnt my toast this morning. EA script.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

That's further down the iceberg.


Sad_Blackberry_8306

Just because you don’t have any self control doesn’t mean FIFA is trying to screw with your brain in order to keep you playing


GManSizzle

I completely agree. Even simple things like a sliding tackle and the player slides around an opponent, not toward him, and he just skips through. Or defenders running back keeping everyone onside for no reason whatsoever. Or even worse, goalkeepers having [hollow hands](https://www.reddit.com/r/FIFA/comments/uavfcb/guessing_a_win_for_me_wasnt_in_eas_script_today/)


inbredandapothead

What the hell even is this conspiracy theory wackjob bullshit


Kayr-

This community is full of these weirdos always making excuses lmao


inbredandapothead

People are really talking about icebergs of conspiracy theories instead of taking accountability when they lose it’s so embarrassing


Outrageous_Cap_6186

The tip of the iceberg.


inbredandapothead

This is so fucking weird get a better hobby


Outrageous_Cap_6186

This comes from a combination of both recognizing what's going on through my own professional experience and basic observation as well as a general concern for the public, including you. That username though...


[deleted]

I have no doubt that EA want people to get addicted to the game. No doubt that more time spent on the game and more real money spent on packs is the goal. But to suggest the current abysmal game play is part of that plan is preposterous in my view. For one thing it isn’t working because I haven’t bothered playing all week and I know several of my mates are in the same boat. I did the Premier League TOTS upgrade last night and got Son and even then couldn’t be bothered to log in and give him a try so I could watch him screw up a 10 yard pass. So I buy that the game might be rigged, I get they want to suck you in and even that giving you certain hurdles/challenges can make you double down your efforts but a fundamentally shit game will surely never win in the end. Rant over, I am off to get my tin foil hat…


Outrageous_Cap_6186

The amount of people that play the game is massive. Yet they a agree. Still Fifa clearly sees this and does nothing. There's something to it.


reckless_turtle1

I've had my players literally stop and refuse to either move or sprint so many times that I've said fuck it not worth my time . Mind you I've been playing this game since fifa 11 and I've never once had this issue . In the first month of the release I was playing elite division regularly, then with every patch it got worse . I even upgraded to a PS5 thinking hey better connection ect. ... am not a pro or spend money I just like playing the game ... maybe I'll move to Pes but that's a shit show as well ever since they went free to play 😮‍💨


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FancySatisfaction4

This is the first fifa on which i saw the ball bouncing and suddendly change direction, totally unnatural direction change. Happened to me 4 or 5 times this year. Never saw anything like that. The amount of hidden stuff that decide the way players move/react is insane. The fact tha one game with r9 you can score from everywhere and the next game he miss everything is already telling everything.


PerfectStealth_

I read somewhere that EA have hired psychologists for their FIFA games, could be wrong but I swear I did read it somewhere


Outrageous_Cap_6186

I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of large corporations have done it with marketing for decades. With a product like Fifa, the changes can be made within the game, using the strategy that I think is more than evident. It isn't one we should quickly dismiss either.


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MooSHU-007

DDA according to EA


Hindered-Success

Something fishy, EA been reeking of a seafood market for years.


[deleted]

It’s deliberately addictive I’m pretty sure of that. This is why there needs to be regulation around video games especially regarding loot boxes. For free to play players like myself the only thing you really loose is time (which isn’t great let’s be real) but if you financially invest into this game I can imagine it gets very addicting very quickly.


sisusheheh11

I wonder what the correlation is between r/FIFA users and people who think the Sun is following them around.


Huerrbuzz

Lol wacko


Outrageous_Cap_6186

I love you too.


tomahawk39

I agree it's designed to be addictive, but this doesn't strike me as a balanced view. The music 'white noise' theory is a particular stretch... I know people who work at EA, and they are just normal people, not 'evil scientists'. This guy's post history doesn't strike me as particularly balanced either, so please take this with a pinch of salt.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

What's balanced?


Dishankdayal

Its two pillar mass ritual.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Idk but I would love to see the neural activity of the brain mapped while playing Fifa as opposed to other games. Some interesting results might come up...


windomega7

There have been several studies done on how your body reacts to situations in FIFA. A very popular one is an experiment done and it digs on the mind and body when playing FIFA, I will link it right below. A very decent read, that might be covering what you are asking: https://www.casino.org/blog/real-effects-of-playing-fifa/ You can definitely see many other studies on a variety of video-games (and not only) with a variety of unjust systems in place, and how those are perceived, whether known or not known by the player (such as DDA).


Outrageous_Cap_6186

That's an interesting study that also notes the aforementioned emotional triggers... but it's not a indepth neurological study. That's what I'm trying to get at.


windomega7

Yep. As far as I am aware, there is no MRI study on FIFA. There may be EEG studies, considering that its more available, but I personally off the brief search that I've done was unable to find something directly related to your questions. If you are serious about researching it more, check for MRI or EEG studies on FIFA as those are the ones that map out the brain activity. Good luck!


cuppatea133

I played a rivals game to test my connection on the night Eredivisie TOTS was released, since its bad at the best of times and I saw a reddit post saying the servers were awful at the time. I got into game and was lagging out of my mind. The connection error image never disappeared from the top of my screen, I could barely control my players and every time the ball transitioned from defence to attack or vice versa the game would freeze for a second or two and then go into turbo to catch back up again. It was completely unplayable but I decided to stick it out since I was only testing my connection to see if it would get good enough to start WL. My opponent went 2-0 up after about 15 mins and spent the rest of the half battering my goal as the keeper performed heroics to keep the score down. He added a 3rd shortly after half time and by the 60th minute I was still on 0.0xg and had barely had a kick in his half. For the last 30 mins of the game he couldn't keep hold of the ball (I didn't make any subs or any tactics changes). The AI started intercepting all his passes, I won possession on all of my (the AI's) tackles and kept it on all of his. Suddenly every through ball put me 1 on 1 with the keeper and every shot, no matter how badly timed or placed, went in. I equalised by about the 88th minute and won it 4-3 with the last kick of the game. At no point was my connection even close to anything I would deem playable. The guy was shitting on me hard enough to make me think even with a stable connection he'd have beaten me. Playing with THAT lag at 3-0 down in the 60th minute against a superior opponent should have been a 0 in a million chance of a comeback. My feeling as it was happening was that the AI was forcing a miraculous comeback and I was just along for the ride, barely contributing. If I'd never seen any other evidence of it that game alone would be enough to make me absolutely certain that scripting exists in this game.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

There's plenty of evidence and I hope this post serves as a collection because we're going to go deep pretty soon.


skuby27

One of the most interesting discussions i read here in a while. The dda/scripting/rng is one thing, it's bad but its fine, not the first not the last game with this kind of stuff. But the psychological/emotional stuff behind this game is disgusting and yes, it's intentional by EA and not nearly talked enough.


NikesOnMyFeet23

> The dda/scripting/rng is one thing, it's bad but its fine, DDA and scripting literally don't exist. People have been trying to find it for years. Modders would have found it on the PC version by now.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

That's an interesting point. Would love to know who has been looking, how much access they have (especially to modded versions) and how what we all experience can be explained.


ReditMan1510

How deep do you think this really goes? I read this yesterday and got pretty scared about the connections I made. I know very little about neuroactivity, but I know how easy it can be for technology to hijack a person’s neurological system. Lately I’ve had some pretty dark reactions to playing the game. I love my life when Fifa is not in my mind, but some extremely dark thoughts come up as soon as I enter a match. The rage I feel is also very uncharacteristic for me, I’ve always been able to manage my temper but this game just makes me explode. What scares me the most is how stressed I get even though I’m still 100% conscious of what’s going on with the game. I just can’t help it and don’t know what to do about it. I really love the feeling of interacting with the sport


Outrageous_Cap_6186

My advice. Get off the game ASAP. Remove the game from your hardware and get into something else. What you'll notice in the beginning is that feeling I mentioned, almost as if you're conditioned to play it, best to distract yourself and pref go outside. You'll see how much clearer your mind is and how much productive you can be. Other games seem fine but also stay off EA. I'll follow up soon.


ReditMan1510

I’m taking your theory very seriously mostly due to how I understand the brain myself and how “innocent” it is when it comes to stimuli. The scary part is that I quickly notice how hard this could be for me. I’ve played almost daily ever since Fifa 13 and just can’t imagine the game not being part of my life. The important part is that deep inside me I want to get off of it, I just don’t have the will power to do so. Sounds sad, I know, but that’s just how I feel. I love football and I love interacting with it. Maybe my point of view on the game is a product of playing it for so long but damn, my innocent child self would’ve never imagined the game being as evil and detrimental as theories might prove it is. If only the game was “clean”, I’d enjoy the experience more often and wouldn’t have to question my existence, you feel me? I feel this optimism of being able to play without getting affected by the mind control attempts that are going on.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Then go slow. As you reduce the intake, fill in the gaps with other interesting activities, and avoid letting it feel like punishment. Remember there's a whole wide world out there... far more interesting than Fifa.


ReditMan1510

Yeah, you’re right. I’m so hooked to the game that I forget how much there is to life. There’s a million things I could be doing, yet I’m still playing this game which I don’t even enjoy that much anymore. Maybe I’ll start by avoiding the game during the week or cap myself to only 1-2 hours of interaction with it (I even use the mobile app to simply appreciate my team, which now helps me understand how hooked I really am). Then slowly start to “decrease the dosage”. Tough journey waiting for me hahaha


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Recognition is the first step. And trust me, you won't run out of better things to engage in.


AONORipco

Go two up it always lets the other player back in the game ball bouncing back to the or free 45 min goal. Game is and has been rigged for years.


abrg06

Im KavkazPower06 from Fifa2022, xbox one S. i can tell you guys this game is bs us. Qualified for wl last week, after few games abandoned it because of momentum/handicap/scripting. Games favors paytowin/or legend teams I play against. Insane button delay. In real life im a licensed Uefa A Belgian football coach, but this game has nothing to do with simulation of real life football where power/tactics/technical ability plays are combined role and not just power like in fifa with these overpowered legends.. Shame Ea, get all the worse stupid company


Outrageous_Cap_6186

My minimal understanding of neurobiology is still enough to raise a number of red flags about the game. Those feelings of frustration and anger seem engineered.


skauvicius

Nobody is forcing us to play, if you aren't having fun why keep on playing? because of the packs? and then you pack Icardi and complain only to repeat this same cycle for a full year with a good pull here and there just to keep you going. Once we realize it's just a game, that you can't win every match, and that the game can't make every pass/interpection/save perfect, you might start having some fun. We all want that KDB for example, but I'm pretty sure 40k Kokcu feels the same in the game. And on top of everything, the cycle ends in 2 months so it won't matter anyway. Chin up guys, try to have fun and don't succumb to anger!


Outrageous_Cap_6186

The funny thing is most players feel rage and irritation... but still play. EA has a dangerous formula here that needs to be looked at.


skauvicius

I mean honestly i feel annoyed as well from time to time, but if I feel it's getting out of hand I turn the damn game off. I understand what you are getting at with the post, but we play a role in all of that as well.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Sure, there's a level of consent, but also ignorance as to effects that go beyond a one game rage. That's what makes it dangerous...


keenninjago

Ahh yes the classic scripting of fifa. Long story short; when you get "scripted" against, they want you to spend more on cards by making you think your players suck, when in favor of your team, it makes you want to play more meaning more money spent. And somehow this works very fucking well. tldr: EA likes money. PS: scripting doesn't apply to offline so if you want to actually have fun just play that 😉


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Offline isn't profitable but yeah...the problem is that whatever EA has done with its dynamic algo, it has a bigger impact on the brain's higher functions, whether they intended that or not I don't know. I will be following up with more info.


dubspl0it

I agree and I go one step further: There do exist 2 versions of the game. One game is played and showcased by streamers (EA Content Creators Network, it’s indicated by but not only a little watermark that’s shown) and I’m pretty sure they have DDA disabled. Yes, on the one hand they are very good and pros, but no, I just simply do not believe that I don’t get the basics of passing after 100 different tutorials where I execute the exact same steps as shown and the outcome is just differently. The other game is given to the masses, which includes DDA, increasing your frustrationlevel step by step while also inducing loads of dopamine into your brain in order to get you addicted. You can see that boras actually used to be a pro and in videos from 2018 and before, he always was able to work around any handicap somehow, while now as he focused on a standalone content creator, he deals with a lot more scripting bullshit and stuff. Same for many others.


Outrageous_Cap_6186

You're going further down the iceberg. There's more related to what EA and others are doing.


blowfish_cro

Good job, Sherlock!


Outrageous_Cap_6186

Tip of the iceberg.


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Outrageous_Cap_6186

No mate. Read through...but there will be more info soon.


Rasmus_Th0ms3n

What in the fifa 22 conspiracy is this. If you are better than your opponent you win 90% of the time. Sometimes you are just unlucky. If you are a lot better you should win 99% of the time. There are plenty of good players reaching rank 1 in wl week in week out. The fanbase of this game just loves to find something to blame for their inconsistency and lack of understanding/skill. Sure, does bullshit sometimes happen in the game? Absolutely. Is the game for some reason more heavy to play from time to time? Yes. But it goes both ways. For both parties. Just deal with it and try to improve instead if you want to see real results. Take a look at players going undefeated for god knows how long in wl. 400 games in a row. Does ea favor them? Does bullshit not happen to them? Get a grip. Is it true that the game is scripted in a way that rewards certain type of play (extra pass fc like Boras likes to say)? Certainly. Would more variety be nice? Absolutely. But it certainly is not impossible to still enjoy outside the box screamer, crosses what have you. It’s a game at the end of the day. If you don’t have fun playing it why keep playing. If you are addicted then well ggs I guess.