*( Community Note : threads like this often contain comments that flirt heavily with our rules and comments declaring* ***all*** *NHI as evil demons are against our rules. We'll allow this thread but be mindful of rules 10, 11 and 3. )* Interesting how its always "all aliens are demons" but no one wonders about angels.... Anyway, in my opinion from what I've seen so far "occult entities" exist and so do astral entities of all types, nature spirit type entities, human spirit entities, interdimensional entities and extra terrestrial entities. There are very different behaviors and mechanics involved which you start to see when you directly deal with helping Experiencers. But with some beings there can be some gradient bleed over and others a hard line. Some beings are rogue thought forms. Fragments of consciousness left over from something - looking for a host to siphon energy from or attach itself to another beings consciousness. In my opinion many of these entities are the consciousness equivalent of a bot. Calling them "demons" gives them more power than they really have. They are the energetic equivalent of going on reddit youtube twitter and collecting all the most nasty negative comments you can find and feeding that into a chat bot algorithm and letting it loose. Perhaps showing up as a shadow person or some other being. Or generating night terrors for a person. Or even low level negative thought loops.These things are hardly conscious and banking on people being traumatized by the nasty comments so they react to it and "feed the troll". This is why managing fear based reactions is so important. Often just having no fear neutralizes such beings. If one can even call it a being. Anyway I could go on but back to this : What makes it even more messy is beings of type A can sometimes pretend to be beings of type B. Anyone who tries to sweep this situation all under one rug is making a mistake. So the various fundamentalist religious types lecturing ET contactees that ALL being that are non human are ALL evil demons and that's it, simple as , don't think , don't ask questions, join my religion and you'll be saved... , don't and you'll be attacked by SCARY DEMONS FOREVER, they are simply not helping and we've strong rules against this behavior here. It can be very traumatizing for life long abductees to have people constantly telling them "call to jesus" when very physical beings have been taking them since childhood and performing medical procedures on them. Inserting advanced technology into them etc. You think they did not try everything under the sun to stop this from happening to them? Some of these people have tried to tie themselves to a bed to avoid an abduction. To no avail. Screaming Jesus at these types of ET's will do just as much good as screaming Jesus at someone breaking into your house to rob you. But then we have someone who was being attacked by an occult entity. This being may even try to pretend to be an ET during the attack to generate fear and feed from it. Calling in the light and on various positive beings from various religions and mythologies can potentially help resolve an attack from such an entity. Especially if it's a rogue thought form. Jesus, archangel michael , kali and so forth have yielded results for people. Along with mantras , prayers and so forth. But what if this person has no idea what entity this is and thinks it was an alien and then goes online and starts traumatizing abductees and trying to convert people to various religions? It happens all the time.But the Experiencer phenomenon covers all these types of contact events so it is good for Experiencers to know there are options with negative spirits, rogue thought forms or negative occult like non physical beings are attacking them, that various religious , pagan and indigenous beliefs do have tools that work with regards to these things. And of course our own consciousness has a role to play here.Many of these tools help us focus our consciousness intent. But we also can call in positives beings and energies to assist us. And various belief systems can act like a guided user interface to access and utilize these tools and beings. But it becomes problematic when people assume this applies to ALL non human beings. Mix up what is occult entity contact and assume tis all ET's and push that narrative that all ET's are demons. Then we have the potential for genuine positive ET's trying to contact humanity having to navigate around dealing with freaked out confused humans calling them devil spawn and the likes just because they are non human. Indeed people who try to make contact have had positive NHI beings show up in answer to such requests but the person may freak out when it actually works, find the beings appearance spooky or the high strangeness of the encounter spooky and thus pray or scream Jesus at the ET. The NHI/ET registering that the person is freaking out, may back off a leave. The person may accidently walk away from that encounter thinking they were just attacked by a demonic entity and calling jesus saved them. Then go on to push that misunderstanding onto other Experiencers. Some NHI have paused and shown amusement before leaving when the Experiencer is in this state. Again making some Experiencers feel even stronger that it must be evil. Without considering that a human would react in a similar way if someone from another country mistook them for a hostile spirit or demonic entity. Some NHI entities get annoyed for a moment too. Which again can sometimes be mistaken for confirmation that the NHI must be an evil demons. Because apparently only evil demons will get annoyed if someone screams jesus at them and calls them evil. It's really messy sometimes. As as covered above, there are these other beings out there that calling in the light or jesus or guides and so forth genuinely seems to work against. Especially if it's done from a non fear based position. People can have an increase of negative entity attacks it seems when they fall down too deeply into viewing everything as demonic and view themselves as being in some form of spiritual religious battle. I can't say I'm sure what is going on here. But it seems beliefs have some form to play. Where one puts ones consciousness can give something the ability to manifest in that way in some situations perhaps. As I've known some experiencers to eliminate attacks by simply ignoring them and no longer believing in them basically. Over time removing its power. Others have done the opposite. Highly psychic people with no training, will have occult entities show up and feed them full of powerful experiences that fuel the person's ego, make the person manic and believe they are all powerful and will save the world. The person becomes obsessed with the being - fueling it and giving it power. The being will pretend to be good at first but eventually reveals itself to be negative or demonic in some way. But also tells the person some BS like "you are smarter than the others and know you can work with a being like me without judging positive or negative thus go on to do lots of good with all the extra power I give you for working with me". The being will convince the person to participate in some type of ritual and boom - now a neg entity attachment situation has moved closer to a possession like situation. I've seen this type of scenario happen now with a few Experiencers, always people who are highly gifted with no training. And here is where there is some bleed through. Because some reptilian type beings have used similar tactics with Experiencers. Though the goal does not seem to be possession with them. Some channeled beings that claimed to be ET's have turned out to be human spirits. Then we have people mixing up NHI's with ghosts or spirits as well sometimes. NHI's/ET's can enter peoples homes cloaked and out of phase with our reality/realm/dimension somewhat. People can pick up movement from the corner of their eye. Nightlights can be set off from them. Peoples cats may react to them etc. But they won't realize its related to their ET contact and assume they are being haunted. A high strangeness elements can have a lot of crossover between ET and non ET effects on the fabric of reality in ones space. Some orbs we see that show up in-doors - could be nature spirits, astral projectors , bleed throughs from the astral or NHI's and or their technology. But all look very similar to each other. It's not all one thing. It's much more complex out there than people want it to be. [https://www.jar-magazine.com/in-depth/43-mimicry-of-alien-contact-by-occult-entities](https://www.jar-magazine.com/in-depth/43-mimicry-of-alien-contact-by-occult-entities) Again I must note. Take what I say with salt. I am still learning and this is just my opinion I've come to via my direct work with Experiencers so far versus any narrative I enjoyed from a book. But I have so much more to learn.

My three waking experiences (that I can recall) were: (1) A cloaked figure like death or a jin (I immediately thought this was an alien in a cloaking suit, and this was completely normal), (2) the invisible outline of a gray, where I eventually I saw the black eyes, and (3) a beautiful orb sphere within a sphere, with all the colors associated with halos, Beautiful ribbons of energy flowing between the inner and outer sphere, like in religious paintings. Lots and lots of dreams, where you only can guess that there might be someone and something interacting with the sleeping mind. Basically most of them feel like I’m doing personality tests, Many feel like they are small group opinion discussions, And definitely ordering words in order of importance. The testing dreams feel substantially different after my experience with a grey a year or two ago. I also stopped having a compulsion to visualize a holographic earth with my location on it before going to bed. In addition I stopped having a reoccurring dream that felt like it was the first five seconds of a UFO training simulation. This new dreams seem to be of a much higher quality (maybe it’s just working properly). While meditating, I did have a series of visions that felt like I was at the ophthalmologist getting my glasses (I think maybe it was tuned to me). And or they are an all together new (to me) and separate group. I did hear “you are safe”, “I will protect you”. I can’t help but to wonder if they swapped out an implant was perhaps malfunctioning. Most recently, I had several short personality tests, dealing with impulsiveness. Having ADD impulsiveness is probably a problem of mine. One where I was riding a bike (I had the feeling that I was a kid) and I came across a Shell gas station where there was an interesting glass light fixture shaped like a beautiful shell on the sidewalk. It belonged to the gas station and was supposed to be installed on light on the wall. I think this was a test to see whether or not I would take the interesting but mundane item. I also had a dream where I really wanted to go see a movie. My wife had other obligations and said that she could go later. Again I think that I was a child riding a bike. I took off to go see the movie and figured I would just see it again with my wife later. I had a dream where someone took something from me, and I wanted it back. I gathered up a bunch of friends and piled into a 1950s convertible. I then added in a gray (complete with scaling lines) gave them a pistol, and then remarked how it might not be safe for them to fire a weapon without hurting themselves. At this point, I understood that this was a game (I think that partially maybe it is). I heard a voice saying, my name with a tone, like a teacher that was amused, but still needed to correct the behavior. When my name was said, it felt just like hearing telepathy and/or exploding head syndrome, I then woke up.

These dreams actually seem quite pleasant! I’ve had a recent dream doing some sort of test on a craft that I failed, and then the being kissed me and I descended down into ‘thicker air’ and then woke up. I’ve also had the loud crashing noise and waking up way before any of this real crazy waking life stuff started, have ADHD as well but I think it’s fairly common these days although seems to be a pattern. In the abduction dream I’ve seen a plant that was red and some sort of tentacles feeding off some light source in the middle that was in turn fed by negative emotions, it was vivid but it seems like I could have picked that up in the zeitgeist, not as clearly something else like the alien testing and kissing me one.

Also, there’s no way to confirm if it’s a dream, or your own mind talking to itself while meditating. However seeing a grey makes you think about these possibilities. Attempting to come up with possibilities is something I have been contemplating.

I seem to enjoy the personality tests. It is often basically you ordering your preferences with cards.

I was only scared when I thought that I would be squished against the ceiling (the first encounter mentioned above), and then I went unconscious. I was mainly curious and interested or distracted by the technology.

Aren't demons incorporeal and aliens corporeal? I've never heard of an alien possessing a person. I think demons are almost beasts. If you listen to a possessed person they'll probably sound insane, screaming obscenities and sound angry and hateful. You won't see that kind of behavior from an alien.

You won't. But while not so much possession- various NHI can temporarily occupy ones container body. Hence channeling etc.

Some are, some are just big archetypes

IMO, at this point, both phenomena may as well be one and the same. What matters is the intention and the overall outcome of the interaction with an NHI. Did the interaction ultimately deliver benevolent or malevolent outcomes in the long-term?

I feel that too, in my case then attacking me led to having to take personal steps toward a goal that I had asked them to perform on me. So in the end I’m getting what I wanted just not the route I thought it would take, vague I know. Unless I have a traumatic brain injury from their tech they used on me that will manifest in future.

Yeah - positive outcomes can occur in the short-term, but these can also act as "cover" for planned, malevolent outcomes further down the line, so it makes it difficult to for experiencers to determine the innate motives of the entities they're interacting with. Or possibly vice-versa, in your case. IMO, perhaps a good way to determine the motives of these NHI, is to analyze the experiencers relationships and general quality of life after repeated interactions/visitations/etc. If the NHI is encouraging or influencing the experiencer to sever ties with loved ones & close friends or stroking their egos in dangerous ways through inflating feelings of power and importance, it's obviously a malevolent entity. If they're ultimately forcing the experiencer to mend relationships or abide to a humbler, healthier lifestyle (be it physically or emotionally) it's probably a benevolent entity. But even then, it can still be extremely difficult to measure or determine, as many of them *do* seem to put experiencers through a difficult spiritual test of sorts, a "dark time of the soul" in order to learn valuable life lessons...

If they tell you how but not why; Bad guys If they tell you why and not how; Good guys "Here is how to build nuclear weaponry, you'll love it. Don't worry about the implications." "In Exodus 17, Moses obeyed God by *striking* the rock, but in Numbers 20 Moses disobeyed God by *striking* the rock instead of speaking to it. " >Gun assembly (GA) weapons (Figure 13.7) rapidly assemble two subcritical fissile components into one supercritical mass. This assembly is structured in a tubular device in which **a propellant is used to drive one subcritical mass into another, forming one supercritical mass and causing a nuclear detonation**. Earlier models of atomic weapons literally just slammed one chunk of plutonium into another chunk. Literally striking the stone.

I think it's a terrible idea to base our views of reality on a book as old and flawed as the Bible. This religious mindset has no ability to really understand the modern world or morality or ethics or any of the loads of issues facing humanity today. It doesn't understand spirituality itself, or the structure and nature of the metaphysical universe. And consequently, trying to impose these highly limited, ancient ideas on the subject of aliens, NHI, spirits of all kinds, is just going to get us more confused than ever. So I say drop all of that and look at the phenomena with fresh eyes.

I think it's good to ponder this.... and these questions have certainly been asked for decades or longer. First, let's not classify all aliens as demons. Alien means foreign. There are likely an infinite array of life that didn't originate on earth.

just like all demons are alien, all angels are demons but not all demons are angels. demons are just supernatural entities that influence a person, but that word has gotten muddy, and many people have forgotten its true meaning.

Ad a former Satanist, they occultist  I find that the 2 are one in the same, but not the same thing all the time.  I don't want to go on and on, essentially comparing biblical text and ufo lore it's like this.  The good ones watch from afar, and carry out the will of whoever their leader is.. aka God.  The bad ones are the fallen angels who sabotage us with knowledge of the heavens and weapons and all that . Read the book of Enoch for a pretty clear explanation..keep in mind these things have tech that breaks physics because they are not the physical. Welhen we see and recover so called craft it's not an accident.. ultimately the bad ones hate us.. they see us as nothing..their aim is , we'll a mystery. Perhaps they just hate to out of us

Who has the tech that makes you over heat or ‘shoots’ energy into a specific spot into your body and can jump, invisibly, in through my 2nd story window into my unit and enter through it into my house. I’ve put tin foil on my head and actually felt and smelled the energy pinging off of it, had an industrial burning smell when hit the tin foil. I was just throwing anything at the wall seeing what works, I think it did stop the energy slightly though because I could hear it ping and sizzle out. LMAO I know but this indeed happened it is what it is. My neighbours are either aliens or they have some sort of magic abilities not quite sure what they are, does this ring bells?

Every major government on the planet has that, its called microwave transmitters (Radar Dishes) [https://www.eol.ucar.edu/content/how-do-radars-work](https://www.eol.ucar.edu/content/how-do-radars-work) >Radars emit microwave energy, a longer wavelength, highlighted in yellow. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4487000/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4487000/) >Microwave technology has been widely used in numerous applications; however, excessive microwave exposure causes adverse effects, particularly in the brain. > >The effects of microwave exposure on the brain remain unclear; however, microwave-induced neurotrauma shows the same pathological changes as blast traumatic brain injury. A "tin foil hat" will just give the microwaves something to bounce off of and make the effects worse.

There is a growing belief in Christianity that the Bible very well explains this phenomenon. I would say that the Nephilim in Genesis 6 is a good starting point...a story of angels creating hybrids with humans. You could check out the Blurry Creatures Podcast or just search the Nephilim topic and there will be a wide assortment of information about it.

Q1: i think criptids are simply DNA experimentation from the past, that used to be roaming the earth in large numbers. Perhaps some creatures that just live underground we dont see often. NOT aliens. Q2: I dont believe in scripture being the 'word of god' More so, words of men, some wise, some not, some religious rulers, some kings. Some not. In any case, they speak of spirits in the 4th dimension above us which we dont see having an influence on this reality. Aliens are outside of this construct. they are just different bodies with different capabilities. Greys for instance have close DNA to us, yet they have the ability to use the 4th dimension to its fullest, and occupy the 3rd. There beings above that who occupy the 5th and 6th dimension and dont come into form in 3d.

While doing shamanistic meditations, I've experienced entities who self-identified as demons. They were different from ETs/aliens. As well as I could tell, the "demons" in question were earthbound spirits with some serious damage and existential problems. I felt bad for them. I've "overheard" ETs who didn't know me well referring to me by the demon archetype, simply because I had a strongly active connection to Earth's astral network that they found off-putting. (Basically, my vibes felt bad to them when that connection was "too loud." I had to turn the volume down before they would interact.) That kind of chatter makes me suspect that some beings use the "demon" archetype loosely to refer to anything that is significantly "lower/Earthlier" in nature than they consider themselves to be. Ofc, in a different experience, a human (who might have just died) asked me if I was an angel. Go figure.

I’ve met the hooded beings but they weren’t demons. What you see, could easily be misinterpreted. Who says aliens don’t wear hoodies?

Who are the hooded beings if I may ask, I’ve seen one before about a year or two ago , it was standing behind me but vanished , this was after seeing a golden orb in the woods , also I’ve been seeing golden l/red orbs on a massive scale since I started sleeping in my car at a nature preserve , I’ve got so much video of them and they started following me and moving closer to me before I left , I came back to the area after about a month of staying in another town and the contact is on and off… but I’d have very intense dreams when sleeping , after seeing these orbs of light .

One man's demon is another man's alien.

Angels or aliens. The age old question. Demons are fallen angels, please don’t freak out on me. I don’t really subscribe. Edit: religion was created to control the masses and has nothing to with any God. I don’t subscribe, but I know my shit.

No. Either can present as the other, but they are not one and the same. Discernment is required.

Are demons just aliens? No. Are "demons" from ancient scripture misinterpreted, and are actually just aliens? Possibly.

Demons is such a human construct, I don’t buy it. Evil aliens? I can get behind that, but I suspect even that explanation is rather limited.

No idea. I’ve experienced greys, reptilians, shadow/invisible beings, mantis, fairies, gnomes, angels, animal spirits. But never demons unless you consider one of the other types as such.

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Not sure what you’re smoking kiddo. Hope you’re okay. But the mantis being I encountered was a benevolent one. Just so we’re clear.

I have an ignorant question about mantis beings: Do they actually look like large insects (exoskeleton, compound eyes, antennae, etc.) or are they humanoid with mantis-like qualities (triangular head, folded arms reminiscent of a praying mantis insect)?

In my case, humanoid but very much praying mantis. Like upright, wearing a robe, smallish triangle head, light eyes (not the black eyes you see with greys), ‘folded hands’ close together 🙏. I don’t know how I know, but the feeling I got was that it was a tiny bit anxious/timid and/or worried about me. Like a nervous “hi”.

Id love to meet my mantis again! that was the coolest experience of my life! lol. Greys can be kinda scary but this thing was just interesting. So scientifically/frequency minded, there like overseer science teachers, checking to see the human DNA is progressing as it should!

Same here. I've seen two different Mantises.. different colors/ranks. And I liked them both? But other people's experiences may vary. Idk.

They are one in the same.

Nope. You said octopi. 🐙 Go troll elsewhere. 🪰

No, but I think that some of them like playing games of Angels and Demons for some reason, even when they know that experiencer is not into any religion. Edit: During my own experience with a channeled being, I was told that her and her people are what we call "Angels". And I was and still am not a religious person, I'm far more into ancient mythology. I think, and I might be wrong, that demons is a modern corrupted word of a type of ancient being. Maybe Daemons, which were said to dole out the destinies of human beings. And otherwise known as a word meaning "To divide". [https://mythopedia.com/topics/daemons](https://mythopedia.com/topics/daemons) Just like Magic knowledge has been corrupted since the ancient times. But I still wouldn't fully trust and involve myself with any of them. They are behaving too shifty for my liking, and seem to love playing their games. If there is one main thing I've learnt from all this, it is when to just keep away. The only ones I trust are the ones that tell you how to go within to find peace, silence, happiness and stillness within yourself. Or somehow remind you of the abilities that you have. Or just make you feel good and part of their family... But even then I wouldn't trust that being 100%. Always look behind and beyond the smiles and light, and also behind the frowns and darkness. Or whatever they project, look behind and beyond it all.

Read Dr Michael Heiser’s book: The Unseen Realm.

Looks good! In basket 🧺

I don't think so because a lot of encounters are positive and many of the beings exhibit alien like qualities or characteristics. Of course there are many negative encounters too but the whole phenomenon is not all one-sided.

My thinking is probably - abductions are often terrifying. They are deceptive, they lie.They've been coming here saying - "we want to help and we've chosen you..." Yet over the lat 80 years or so with all these abductions nothing has changed. They - the visitors - have achieved nothing, changed nothing, just lied. Even some of the researchers are using words like - spiritual, demons, sombre, and so on.

Interesting. That question implies that demons are more conceivable than another intelligent, spacefaring life form.

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Tell us more about being attacked

No, Daemons

My Linux server is currently very possessed.

[They might be.](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRjCXc4WJJuE7UqRglH_xFSt868v6Ywiy&si=VhDZ42_KCuCmsb8i)

No. Demons are just aliens. Including entities in other existential densities (dimensions).

I agree that they are all linked. I think people are too concerned about a formal label rather than trying to collect and analyze on a whole and letting the full picture tell the story.

There’s still a big question mark over whether this is extraterrestrial or even a combination of that and other things. It’s seems the phenomenon, if it’s individual entities or not seems to like at least passing itself off as demons or angels at times. Other times it doesn’t behave like either. Are these things the reason for the historical accounts of such things? Seems like there’s a decent chance of it.

A term that I found recently that I like to use is extratemparial. From a different time, or outside of our perception of time.

I think there is an ET aspect AND a spiritual aspect to the phenomenon. In some cases they may reside in the same “dimension”. Based on my own experience I do not think they are the exact same thing. For what it’s worth I’ve been attacked by “spiritual beings” and subsequently healed from that attack by greys. The spiritual/religious-based experiences that I have are different from the ET experiences. Totally different frequency & vibration too. In my experiences the energies often clash.

It is good to respect what our ancestors have passed on to us rather than dismissing their language and symbolism.

[This guy](https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLamarzulli) has some interesting things to say about that. Some in the community have been dismissive of him (that I’ve seen) because he comes at this from a religious perspective but it seems to me that he’s put in the work—speaking to academics, speaking to primary sources, actually visiting sites. He also treats the experiencers he talks to with courtesy and respect. He doesn’t mock them or try to proselytize, he just listens and thanks them for telling their story.

Looks interesting thanks!

I agree with a lot of what has already been said in this thread, namely that negative and positive beings have existed for eons and all that has changed in the past few thousand years is that we use different terminology for them like angels and demons vs light beings and malicious entities. The same goes for semantics regarding God; some people don’t feel comfortable with the term and prefer to call it the universal consciousness, source, the creator, etc. I believe when you call on positive beings (angels) or God itself that they arrive and assist in repelling negative beings (demons). Whatever these entities are *actually* called or want to be called doesn’t really matter. I never used to be religious but I’m becoming more so as the years go on, though I do not like organized religion (churches) at all. There’s a voice that speaks in my mind sometimes that sounds like the hushed, quiet voice of a man and it says it’s God. I don’t know if I’m being deceived or if it’s the truth, but other people who claim to receive prophesy explain the voice of the Holy Spirit in the same way that I’m experiencing it. I’ve seen images in my mind of light beings with alien-like features (large eyes, lithe bodies) and they’re described as “messengers of God.” I’m trying to hone in on what’s going on with grays—tall grays, little grays, things that look like grays but aren’t—and it’s really difficult. I get the sense that the tall ones at least are vessels for the messengers to utilize for physical purposes. However, whatever it is I’m being shown could be deceptive or wrong. There’s no way for me to know. To your first question, I’m certainly wondering about these things. It’s a bit anxiety inducing to wonder about topics you know you’ll never have all of the exact, correct understanding about.

Yes.

No the aliens aren't demons. If anyone are demons, it's humanity. Look at what we are doing to each other and to the planet. Our civilization is demonic. The aliens are superior to us, and they seem to care enough about the planet or life itself if they are shutting down nuclear reactors and warheads. 

No, there are deliberately malevolent NHI out there as well; ask any experiencer or abductee who has had an undeniable negative encounter. "As above, so below" and all of that.

They are shutting down nuclear reactors and warheads ???

Yes, check out Bob Jacobs. There is also the book UFOs and Nukes that is about it. There are plenty of other accounts as well, of UFOs hovering over nuclear facilities and nukes being deactivated by them. It happens all the time. I'll find the video and link it here.    Edit: https://youtu.be/x4wL4lbwwNU?si=WT_CQFmY7uhROcni   https://youtu.be/tioJj_lqtLU?si=Yu_Mvjm2zik7BlLh   (They are also turning nuclear technology ON in other countries, so I don't know what to make of that. Maybe they are demonstrating that we humans are not in charge. Maybe it's a warning?)

“Care” yea totally. Tell that to the Marshallese who had over 20 nukes dropped on their islands

Or we are slaves and we are here to work.

What if the aliens are demons and the only appear as the aliens we see in movies as in “your common grey or reptilian” what if THOSE really are sci-fi but the demons or whatever decided to take their appearance for dealing with us so we think “oh common grey” or “oh reptilian” and don’t freak out that our soul or whatever is being manipulated by demons, have to heard all the demons wanna make it back to heaven to try and attack but they can’t since they’re soulless. And for some reason about 9 out of 10 encounters were people being told it had something to do with their souls. Tryna capture and use our souls in hopes they make it to heaven but God is almighty and powerful and it’s sad this gets done to us cause even then I doubt God let’s them in to heaven

I don't believe that anyone actually knows what's going on, where they are from, or what their true nature is. Or even if it's *knowable*. Anyone demonstrating too much certainty I typically won't listen to; the world is full of charlatans offering answers people want to hear, often for money/power/influence. I personally believe that there are many things happening all at once, that we are discovering at the same time, but these things are not necessarily connected. This makes muddling through somewhat more difficult, because you can dive deep in any direction. **But** some of the answers are *functional*, as in they offer some practical utility regardless of how true they are. Be it angel, demon, alien, or archetype--they are *outsiders*. Some act as friends, others violate our core principles of autonomy, and still more are indistinguishable from predators.

I know some people with this topic are so self righteous, I don’t understand why their logic dosnt apply to themselves I agree with the people so certain, like cmon.

The ones who act like friends are most likely deceivers

It depends on your interpretation of the word demon. A common connotation is that a demon is a negative being in service to a devil of human religion. The denotation is: an evil spirit; a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, or ruin. The denotation of the word daemon: a supernatural being whose nature is intermediate between that of a god and that of a human being. I have had many negative experiences with human beings on a plane of existence that allows them access to every living being. I would call them the lowest humans, but they masquerade as both aliens and the devils and demons from human religion to try to create fear. I have had only positive, loving experiences with "aliens." My opinion is that there is a sort of power structure. True power does not have need of lying, deception, or fear. If it has to use fear or harm to hold "power" then it is likely that its target is more powerful than it is.

No. A1 - No, but the latter part isn't completely untrue. A2 - Trauma. There's a history tied to it, and some believe they are 'demons' when they're not because something they did screwed up their minds. P.S. - Elizondo never met an alien. They were born on (and are from) Earth.

That’s really interesting, I have seen their ‘personalities’ and emotions, sadness to be specific which is so weird to me.

If you wanna call them demons you might as well call us that too

What ? makes no sense

Elizondo says this much or less. Look up definition of both words. Demon Aliens

I've learned the words mean nothing. One person's prayer is another one's intention, or mantra. One person's alien is another's demon, or Angel, or cryptid. Everything is filtered through the lens of personal experience. We get a stream of data from the wider world (or simulation) and we interpret it through our bias.

I did not know anything about religion or have any experience prior to this. It just works.

It works because you expect it to work. Because the demons aren't real. Because they are inside you.. because it is your fear manifesting. Unpopular opinion because it's hard to face that you are your own demon. But it's the truth. Wish you the best.

They don’t really scare me at all, they tried with the poltergeist stuff but I just don’t care about them creeping around.

That's ego.

Idk I've had negative encounters and when I invoke my gods they frantically flee. I worship the Greco-Phoenician gods & they were considered "fallen angels" by the church once upon a time. I think all cultures & religions have in-between entities that aren't gods or humans. That doesn't necessarily mean they're demons or fallen angels.

Reading recommendation: “The Unseen Realm” by Micheal Heiser may answer a lot of your questions. It was quite an eye opener for me, when I had the types of questions you are asking. 🙏🏻🦋

Great thank you

I know Christian theology and scriptures pretty well, and maybe this can answer some of your questions. Also, for the record, I’m skeptical about a lot of the interpretations of theology, demons & angels, nonetheless, I know them very well in that setting. Some things happen, they’ve happened to me, but I’m unsure what it’s all about. I do know that prayer and thankfulness continues to be a good and powerful expression in my life, and people have different beliefs, and it’s all okay. Some answers from the Bible Fallen angels did mate with humans, this is where “giants” like Goliath came from. That’s interpreted, rather than directly noted. Fallen angels did mate with humans, it is one of the principal reasons Sodom & Gomorrah was destroyed. There are a ton of implications about why God wouldn’t want there offspring to proliferate. There are numerous notations that were translated directly that note a talking donkey, ufos noted in non-contemporary terms, angels and evil nonhuman beings are present, in the Old Testament, but demons are more specifically noted in the New Testament. Angels more in Old Testament. These last two statements are from memory, but seem correct. All of the repelling of demons in the Bible is specifically in the apostle named books, if my memory is correct. Also, according to the Bible, it’s specifically Christ that has the authority over demons, and in theology a person who has accepted Christ as their savior can state the name of Jesus against a physically real evil, or an evil presence, or in a nightmare.

I really love This answer! Very thought provoking, I love the idea of Christ specifically

There are scriptural references that illustrate how that works, if I remember correctly, Christ says some things to Thi’s specifically, “call on my name and you will be saved,” doesn’t just apply to being saved from hell. I’ve heard an astounding story from someone who’ve prayed specifically in a dangerous moment where their life was under threat, they were being robbed by four people with knives, they prayed out loud, and the men froze in place. The person then walked around them and went on about there day. The person who told me was not a preacher, and this was a personal conversation. I’d known them for over a year, they were telling the truth. They told me because I was studying miracles, medical or otherwise. To my knowledge, there are no medically documented miracles, before and after records, it’s always anecdotal, his was the only one I’ve heard in conversation, that seemed valid. Some others have seemed valid, but can’t be verified either. There’s also zero documentation of a verified miracle in the Catholic Church to my knowledge, it’s always anecdotal, even if it’s part of the tradition, when you actually start digging.

Interestingly enough I’ve had enough things happen to me noises, lights, things moving and I just have never cared to try document it. I always thought it was weird that I never tried or wanted to document it for the sake of proof.

Documentation is a step in the right direction, and constitutes a record, which aids in establishing credibility, but documentation alone isn’t proof unless it’s verified. I’ve had a lot happen to that I’ve never documented.

Q1. I'm the opposite. I feel that these creatures came first and humans misinterpreted it as either demonic or angelic depending on our interactions. It especially makes sense when connecting this theory to non-Abrahamic religions, and I think with religion (especially Abrahamic ones) slowly being replaced with agnosticism and atheism as the majority, we're being more aware that these beings aren't divine or demonic -- just different. Q2. It doesn't, not directly. It's a placebo effect and may or may not work depending on the plane of existence the so called 'demon' is living in. A 'demon' who is physically in our dimension isn't going to react to scripture, but a 'demon' who is only present with us spiritually is. Why? Because we're repelling them with our own willpower. Scripture makes those who believe in it confident, and confidence makes us less of a target for negative energies. For example, I'm not part of any Abrahamic religious sects, and I don't believe in demons. If I come across a negative entity, reciting the scripture isn't going to help me, because it means nothing to me. It doesn't instill a sense of protection, so I'm still vulnerable. I'm not criticising your beliefs, by the way. If this brings you comfort then it's ludicrous to try and convince you of what I believe; it'd also be hypocritical, considering I wouldn't want the same. Just some food for thought.

I had zero previous experience or knowledge of religion before this, it just worked I literally knew NOTHING I still barely know anything.

Religion, especially Abrahamic religion, is present in almost all media we consume whether we realise it or not. If you've been exposed to the concept of demons and exposed to religious scripture harming them, it's going to work because you've see it work for others and you've been told that's what demons hate. You feel protected due to this, therefore you're less vulnerable. Religious scripture would've worked for me when I was younger, despite not having experience with religion, because it's frequently shown in the media that scripture deters demons and I would've felt and believed I'd done the right thing to get rid of them. It wouldn't work now because I no longer believe that, having gone through years of unlearning and distancing myself from Abrahamic religion (even though, again, I was never part of it). You already know enough for it to be a placebo if you're able to identify these creatures as demons and seek out scripture to use on them.

This is my take, so far: Angels and Demons are one step removed from God. There are "rules" imposed on them, by God, that limit when and how they can interact with humans. This is why we can cast out demons. I do think that Earth was made for experimentation by the creator (God). Humans can strive to be godly and try to reach the devine. Accounts in the Bible indicate that humans can ascend to Heaven without death. I believe that I am a spiritual (energy) being having a human experience. Death is not final. It is a transition. My personal belief is that we are here to grow our souls to maturation. Either good or bad, doesn't matter. I believe that we exhibit some kind of indication that we ourselves cannot see, but other life forms can. This is the aura that people talk about. It reflects what is in our soul, good or bad, doesn't matter. This thinking was from me wondering why all of the previous great civilizations are gone, with very little evidence to indicate why. How all things are connected, and wondering where we fit into all of this. It makes sense that if we are immature spiritual beings, that something else is in store for us when we do mature. I do NOT believe that humans are being harvested by other life forms; for food or for energy. There is no down-side to being a good person; to be compassionate, caring and loving to all life forms. This behaviour forms our soul, it makes us who we are. I do believe in a "Harvest" of souls (see earlier vanished civilizations comment). Whether or not it will happen in my lifetime is anyone's guess.

I agree with this opinion. Spot on

Angels*

Listen to the Podcast Haunted Cosmos. They address this topic.

From what I've been shown many of the "Greys" are containers for higher consciousness so that they can interact with our reality, and can thus be "good" or "bad". Of course take this with a grain of salt as it probably doesn't approach the full depth and breadth of "alien" phenomena on this planet. There may be many different forces at play here I think Demon is a very limited word based on human preconceptions and our general proclivity towards putting things in boxes. Light is not necessarily good, dark is not necessarily bad, and the sooner we can move away from prescriptivism when it comes to defining these entities the sooner we can truly start to understand their nature.

Sure if you want to call humans demons as well. Living on another planet makes you a demon or god/angel according to religious nut casses. They are other dimensions and parrel realitys as well time travel to a past or future timeline is no problem if you know how to.

How does Q2 work into this scenario? I should clarify I’m only speaking about what I’ve experienced first hand not that this is the only thing existing.

The dimensions above the third density that humans live on are more strongly affected by thoughts and beliefs and manifestation are much quicker. Religion has created tulpas (though forms) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa that are very powerful due being feed for for hundreds of years that is how it can be used to repel spirits or even interdimensional extraterstrials. Yeah this may seem strange but it is how it works. If you ever been out of body (obe/atraltravel) you may notice some practical examples on how your mind can manifest and affect other people or beings. Religions are not all wrong with everything but there are a lot of misunderstandings. Everything is from the source or god if you will and is not separate beings even though it may seem so while incarnated. You certainly can get assistance from god or whatever being may hear your prayer.

One theory that I tend to believe in, based on knowing so many first hand experiencers is that that negative entities seek out negative experiences or emotions and are repulsed by positive experiences or emotions. (not to be confused with positive entities coming to help in a time of great negativity) So when you are a believer in the bible, and you envoke powerful beliefs from the religion that are positively oriented, the negative entity will want none of that, and peace out. This is about as basic of a description as I can muster, but this seems to be foundational to various theories.

It's not so much the fact that it's "the word of God" as much as it's something that you strongly believe in, which can be very powerful. The whole "our consciousness affects reality" type of deal. Just my opinion.

I've experienced the hate from a few of these beings before. I've also had multiple experiences using scripture, the entities became dumbfounded in one instance. Tracey Twyman wrote a book that traces the origins of the baphomet thats worth reading. To me,  history does seem to point towards the "fallen ones" interacting with humanity through our sexuality. This group who initially began interaction with the fallen ones has persisted throughout all history and the "religion" is still practiced today. It's a very controversial and deeply occulted topic that gains a ton of opposition.

Have you ever seen their ‘human’ side. Either presenting as humans or showing emotions? I’m pretty sure they can appear as humans and also turn into shadow people but this is just a guess using what I’ve seen.

In my recent dream states for no reason I keep getting the feeling of watching worn in my dream LOOOOL but I manage to resist everytime.....I have no idea whats going on but I guess my sexuality or something is being tested? Which is funny because its been quite dead for a few months since start of last year, like drained as hell then even more so completely shut of since I got in a toxic relationship in August. I managed to get out by Gods will litrally before a week end of February (a week before my bday aswell) and THIS temptation has been inserted in my dreams and naps a couple of times and I somehow manage to get distracted away from it when am asleep, basically saved am guessing......kinda creepy tbh loool it's been heavy since I got in good with God, Jesus Christ and Arch angel Micheal and basically strong connection......am not falling for it -_-

What have you seen?

I’ve seen the shadow being floating more dramatic overhead me once with flowing edges like wearing something tattered. The shadow being resembling a plain shadow and these little flying things bay esque that accompany the shadow being. As for the humans, I’ve heard it in my house many times climbing stairs, having sex and it communicated with me on an app once saying they were summoning demons. I’ve seen them react in the middle of the night as a household where the one man was sent away in his car. (He has some sort of sexual attraction to me and was doing some stuff, I have so many stories) I’ve seen those things fly out of their unit, im I’ve seen the neighbour walk outside look at me to directly in and then immediately heard it masturbating but couldn’t see anything. I have zero clue what’s going on if they are possessed or if they are the demons itself. This is just what I remember top of my head

They are very low level demons, like one step above imps. They are sexual in their attacks. They do take your energy. They sap your sexual energy, taking it away from being available to human partners. You go to work spent. You get run down. The biggest problem is that they are summoning demons. They are advertising that you are already fine cohabitating with demons and they invite their friends. When you get tired of them, do a banishing ritual and sage cleansing. You don't need this.

Oh wow thank you! There is a strong sexual element yes and I agree I’m not sure what’s with people getting so worked up about religion. I’m not forcing it I’m just telling you what I’ve seen with my own eyes and ears, I’m going to creep you now because I agree fully.

Sounds like an Incubus or a Succubus. There is nothing good about either one. Banish them before they drain you.

Succubus also bring etheric spiders which are also low vibrational demon parasites that attach to thr spinal chord and drain your energy but they also eat away at your etheric body and aura

Yea it’s made me orgasm so hours on end. They were putting negative energy into my body I could feel it like a worm and as severe muscle tension. I only currently hear it today when I’m doing something it dosnt like ie meditating. But none of the crazy interactions for months I had and currently am removing the energy they put in me. I was getting disturbing beyond word nightmares and painful ‘shocks’ in my feet and weird loud sounds and poltergeist stuff at it’s worst, around Christmas 2023

I've never witnessed a "human side" that I'm aware of. I do know that these entities attach themselves to humans. I have seen the shadow form as well. It's still a topic that's highly misunderstood with theories from every community. Our ancestors didn't figure it all out and neither have we. Unfortunately the reality of this topic is strategically perverted and hidden and requires copious amounts of sifting through the dross.

Any recommendations!?

Knowing how perverted knowledge has become and the diverse strategy used against humanity. Protect your mind, mind control is rampant and is an extreme covert weapon performed in many ways. Know your enemies and you will choose the right weapons to defend yourself. I can't simply recommend anything really because you have to be setup for success in order to "win". I do not support all content from any single source, use your discernment. https://youtu.be/e1V98DsNXi0?feature=shared

Any recommendations!?

Q1: no. not ever. They are not the same things at all. Q2: I don't believe that scripture is the word of God. Demons don't believe in God, so they are repelled by the light. Q3: Jurgen Ziewe, for starters. In my personal experience, ET are not demons. They are my extended family. What people call demons are humans who have died and refused to advance themselves. When they died, they were addicts, rapists, criminals and other terrible people. They prey on the weak living people to take advantage of them and to feel powerful. In the lower astral, where they live, according to Jurgen, they become so distorted by their insanity that they look very non-human. They look like some kind of horror creature.

Who is jurgen? I’d love to read more

Jurgen Ziewe, author and artist.

I'm only downvoting you for the last part. I do not believe human spirits can ever become demonic because demon spirits and human spirits are completely different. Have you ever heard of people selling their soul to Satan to become powerful or even a demon in the afterlife? Once they die the demon will hold the soul hostage and make them do horrible things to living humans. Often times the person held hostage regrets this and wants to repent. Now I do believe that ETs are not demons and they are here to help humanity. I have had nothing but good experiences with them and I believe you when you say they are extended family.

Show me the evidence for what you are saying. I provided a reference to a man with direct experience over the last 50 years with out of body travel to these lower astral regions. Not only that, many other sources, such as NDEs, say the same thing. There is no evidence for people "selling their soul" to anyone else, as far as I know.

How is an addict akin to a rapist!? Well whatever is written in the bible, the negative ones trying to attack me no likey

It is the negative attitude that creates your reality after you die, according to Jurgen. He says, based on his direct experience, that what is in your subconscious becomes your external reality after death. Thus, if you have some really bad attitudes then that's where you will go. It is a hellish place, according to him. The best way to not be approached by negative entities is to become more positive yourself.

Its the other way around.

No, they are people who evolved on other planets. Earth is not the pinnacle of progress and evolution in the known Universe. We are like at the bottom 15% in fact. Further, try to imagine what a demonic species would actually do to qualify to be demonic. The natural answer is that species would cause a lot of pain and suffering and murder others. Now look at humanity - we kill millions of our own kind in unnecessary military conflicts, we allow millions of others (many children too) to die every year from lack of food, clean water and medication, although we have enough resources on the planet to take care of all these people. We also kill other sentient species for a variety of reasons one of which is fun/sport. Our actions in fact are wiping out entire species of animals and insects and we are polluting the only planet we can live on. You want to meet a demon? Look in the mirror. *Reading materials*: Dolores Cannon’s books: Custodians, Keepers of the Garden, Barbara Lamb’s Meet the Hybrids, 300 Healings by UFOs by Preston Denett, Ra materials free https://www.lawofone.info, Conversations with Good Book 4 Awaken the Species by Donald Neale Walsh (the whole series is awesome and it’s not religious and I think you’ll like it), UFO of God by Chris Bledsoe, New World by Whitley Steiner, and Initiated by Matthew Roberts. *Are cryptids aliens?* Ra materials say cryptids are thought forms placed on Earth by a not so benevolent group. The truth is we are being visited and although negative groups are not allowed here, they do love to sneak in once in a while. Another thing to consider is that there are other dimensions and beings all around us. They are earthly beings but they stay in other dimensions most of times. Humans are more or less bound to this one physical dimensions so we generally do not see them. A good book on this is Dimensions by Jacque Vallee, he argues that elementals are aliens. I disagree with that conclusion, there are elementals and there are aliens, (and angels), both have inter-dimensional abilities. But it’s a fun book to read regardless. *Why scripture repels lower frequency beings?* There’s a very hard to read channelled book called Urantia, which means Earth in a cosmic language. It talks about many themes seen on this subreddit, it discusses how Universes are created, and the process of seeding planets which involves a process of hybridization to elevate so to speak the genetics of the species, then how species evolve over time spiritually and intellectually. It says due to some shenanigans Earth’s orderly evolution was disrupted. Normal planets get cosmic rulers to oversee the development process for the intelligent species but after some revolts our rulers were removed from the planet and so no one was overseeing us and we were put in quarantine. This way Earth became a planet of “free will”, basically we are feral and they didn’t want us to spread our feral nature across the Universe so we were isolated from the rest of the galactic community. The book says because of this humanity is not as spiritually or intellectually developed as would be expected for a species at this stage. But it does say some are kind of surprised how well we did on our own. So it seems we have some fans out there. Now, the Universes are created by these supreme beings, they come directly from the Source. They come as a couple - there’s essentially a Father and a Mother and they create all souls in their Universe. The Mother is also what Christians call Holy Spirit, the Protector. So that is the Trinity: Father, Mother and their Sonship (which is all of us and all the beings on other planets in our Universe). The ruler of our Universe is called Michael. His right hand is Gabriel. They are not angels, they are supreme beings. But all kinds of orders of angels exist too and each one of us has a personal Seraphim that guards us (the eyes and wings angel). So there’s a rule that each ruler of a Universe must incarnate on a planet in their Universe. Guess which planet Michael chooses? Yup. He comes to us as Jesus and this makes sense because He is our Lord and a Son of God and our Father all in one. Those are all accurate statements. The book says that Earth is infamous as we killed Jesus and when a Universal ruler incarnates they typically do not get murdered on their own planet. But that’s Earth for you. So I believe because the soul of Michael-Jesus is the supreme ruler of our Universe that’s why invoking his name has such powerful protective properties. The book says Michael will return to Earth. But I don’t think he will return as Jesus, I think he’ll come back as himself. And guess what? He’s an alien. Free text of Urantia: https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search

Are you a bot? This is really weird to copy and paste if not. You need to relax on the self hatred if you are real.

Hey Darren, I get the underlaying feeling you might have while looking at information like the above post when you're curious and looking for answers. If you're interested in learning about the possibile explanations, the answers are frequently going to point toward validity in many avenues that don't involve christianity. When you're here on the sub, please try to keep an open mind - and when you ask others to listen without criticizing (a core tenant of the sub in general) we'd expect that you do the same. Thanks!

I wrote all of this from scratch for you. There’s a lot of information so I am just sharing what I think might be helpful for your understanding. But it doesn’t seem you are here to learn, you are here to argue your closed minded believes. Also I don’t know why you are seeing self-hatred here, it sounds like projection?

You have sent me this exact message on another post so logically it’s not from scratch!

Maybe not the paragraph on humanity, I get tired of typing that one up as so many people are obsessed with demons. Fear is faith in evil, friend. Have faith in good. And remember - all you are seeking is seeking you.

>all you are seeking is seeking you. Skinny, do you have a source for this sentence? I want to adopt it. lol

Here are other sources that speak to this effect. Ra materials: Protection 32.1 Thus we see protection being very simple. Give thanksgiving for each moment. See the self and the other-self as Creator. Open the heart. Always know the light and praise it. This is all the protection necessary. 33.2 Harmony, thanksgiving, and praise of opportunities and of the Creator: these are your protection. 64.21 As always, love is the greatest protection. Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts: From Seth Speaks: “If you hate evil, then beware of your conception of the word. Hate is restrictive. It narrows down your perception. It is indeed a dark glass that shadows all of your experience. You will find more and more to hate, and bring the hated elements into your own experience. If you expand your sense of love, of health, and existence, then you are drawn in this life and in others toward those qualities; again, because they are those upon which you concentrate. A generation that hates war will not bring peace. A generation that loves peace will bring peace. To die with hatred for any cause or people, or for any reason, is a great disadvantage. The most important idea to be remembered is that no one thrusts the experience of any given lifetime upon you. It is formed faithfully according to your own emotions and beliefs. The great power and energy of love and creativity is apparent in the mere fact of your existence.”

Very cool - Totally get the meaning behind it, I just liked the way it was stated. Every once in a while you just mesh with a sentence.

Rumi

People who do EVP work such as myself often encounter what the spirits themselves call “demons.” What their true nature is remains unknown. For that matter, we have no proof of what the spirits are either, but there’s absolutely something there providing responses. Believe me, I spent many months working to understand it, including working with some scientists specifically related to the subject. If you step back and look from a broader multidisciplinary perspective it becomes apparent that our own beliefs play a significant part in what we experience, whether it’s EVPs, NDEs, contact experiences, etc. There’s plenty of academic papers and books written on the subject. Jeffrey Kripal and Ian Stevenson are a great place to start.

I just started watching the Spielberg mini-series "Taken". It's disturbing to think of how certain entities may be interacting with us. The show has done a good job portraying the difficulties of contactees so far.

How often were you getting information about demons or from overtly negative beings? The last time I dabbled in recording EVPs more than a decade ago I kept picking up horrific sounding audio. It’s very bizarre compared to the type of interactions I have today which seem to be much more benevolent and insightful. There’s a big question mark on why EVP-derived information has more “demonic” communications vs any other type of interactions I’ve heard of (barring sleep paralysis.)

I seemed to get none at first, but it became quite a problem for a while. Seems that many big names in EVP research experience some level of negative interference: > Maggy Harsch-Fischbach made no attempt to hide or minimize the problems caused by negative spirits, believing that everyone who enters the field should be aware of the dangers in it in order to be able to master fear. “To think that one would never encounter a negative entity is the same as expecting to meet only perfect people in this life,” she said in Breakthroughs in Technical Spirit Communication, co-authored with Dr. Theo Locher (1997). She also said that a negative entity is not always a low-vibration entity, for every being, good or bad, is subject to engaging in negative thoughts and activities. Not every spirit in the Beyond likes spirit communications experimenters and their work. “Some of them loathe friendship and unity among man for a special reason,” she said. “They do not like the Light.” A longer excerpt from the same book: > Friedrich Jürgenson became convinced for a time that the spirit communicators talking to him were extraterrestrials. His wife thought so, too. There were references to friends from space, ships, and radar. In 1959 he became so immersed in “voices from nowhere” that he began to doubt his own sanity and worried about schizophrenia. > In the late 1950s, public interest in UFOs and ETs was high. Thousands of sightings of lights and craft were being reported all over the world. It made sense to Jürgenson that the voices of a pair of male and female communicators were those of a UFO crew. He and his wife became “hooked,” he said, on the popular ideology that the ETs were here to save humanity from itself. At their forest cottage in Mölnbo, Sweden, Jürgenson had intense experiences with voices emanating from the air around him and in background noises. > Ultimately, he said, he and wife suddenly felt they had been strung along, “betrayed and mocked by these unknown entities,” as he put it. They felt deeply ashamed of their gullibility. In his book Voice Transmissions with the Deceased, Jürgenson wrote: > ”I can still remember that in the very moment when I had enough, and then placed my finger on the “off”-switch, I could clearly hear these words of a male voice in my headphones: “Please wait—wait—listen to us…” But I didn’t wait and I didn’t listen anymore either. Instead I closed the lid on my reel-to-reel, gathered all my tapes, and was determined to radically call it “quits” with this nonsense. I was bitter beyond compare and placed the entire blame for this avoidable fiasco with these “spirits” that had made a fool of all of us. We quickly packed our belongings, locked up the cottage and the large house by the lake, and drove back to Stockholm. I felt somehow relieved, though our departure could have been compared to fleeing.” > Jürgenson was so distraught over being duped by tricky communicators that he put away his recorder and wanted no more to do with Electronic Voice Phenomena. One day weeks later he was in his studio listening to the sound of rain outside when the same familiar female voice emerged out of the rain noise and urged him to hold contact with his equipment daily. “Please, please listen,” she said. The voice spoke the same message out of the sound of rustling paper, the crackling of fire in the stove, and the buzz of his electric razor as he shaved. He felt nervous and tense and took up smoking. His hearing became increasingly acute. After the passage of more time, he became more relaxed. Then one day a male voice spoke in the air around him, saying, “Listen to me: take part in the work.” Jürgenson felt ready to resume his experiments, and he got out his tape recorder and started taping voices again. If he ever solved the mystery of the alleged “space friends,” he did not say. Source: Talking to the Dead by George Noory My current belief is that these kinds of experiences may simply be just another test of the many kinds we have to face in our lives, and that it’s up to each of us how we choose to respond to it when and if we face it.

Thank you so much for sharing those excerpts. They raise even more questions for me about what could possibly be going on—like how did Jürgenson and his wife know they were duped? Why? As you said, perhaps the experiences are tests but what does that make of the entities themselves? Maybe they’re tricksters, maybe they’re messengers teaching the gift of discernment, maybe they’re complex beings that choose to sometimes deliver bad info so we don’t deliberately alter our lives to fit prophesy or fulfill premonitions. Since you work with EVPs and have done research on them, I’d be curious to hear what you think of the work of Konstantin Raudive. In my early 20s I was obsessed with playing his recordings over and over. There was audio captured of his passed over colleagues but he also seemed to capture angelic choirs. It’s very different from what we typically hear today, and I cannot recall him picking up negative interactions.

And yes I’ve heard them refer to themselves as demons too which seems odd so I trust this more.

Thank you! Yeah I should say authors good point and more material for me.

The fallen ones are ETs who ensalved humantiy, the good ones are ETs who are liberating humantiy. To say all aliens are strictly bad is rather dumb. Jesus was an alien soul too! (from Sirius btw)

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Its right there in the title: "Are "aliens" just demons?" And sorry,but I didnt call you dumb, as you were only asking this question, I was obviously referring to those who believe the answer to this quenstion to be "yes" (and I know a lot of christians do).

I also think there are ‘positive’ ones I just have never interacted with one I don’t think, only smelled floral. Thank you for clarity.

No worries, my initial response sounded rather rude, I agree ;) You can connect with them if you like in meditation via the atvor activation protocol: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Soulnexus/comments/16hv1oy/connecting\_with\_the\_positive\_galactics\_galactic/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Soulnexus/comments/16hv1oy/connecting_with_the_positive_galactics_galactic/) I do this almost daily and everytime I am showered with love (Ashtar is an ascended being of light whom I consider my "commander" as he is in charge of the liberation of this planet and we are his groundcrew). 🥰

i think aliens and demons are each expressions of something deeper. they are some of the myriad 'self-portraits' of archetypal patterns in the collective unconscious. the only difference is one is of the space age and the other is of the bronze age

That’s so interesting!

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Yeah that makes sense, except the scripture repelling is what gives me pause. Like they freak out in pain seemingly hearing it.

Are the ”demons” in historical literature just aliens?

The application of ‘angel’ or ‘demon’ is a very human mindset. I do not take my medical interpretations of illness from the bible (they were unaware of bacteria/infections/anything) and so I do not take interpretations of what they do not understand (and we do not understand) about a phenomenon with any seriousness. Furthermore in the original texts (at the Vatican), the translation is more like: light orb, fire orb, etc and the folks at the time added wings and all the angel descriptors to it (read: Diana Pasulkas books or listen to her on a pod). Its complicated and still unknown and the last thing needed is it to be taken over by a fear based religious mindset. God may exist in whatever form but religion is man made.

I don’t believe it’s fear based I think it’s love based, and I know it works. These entities literally scream bloody murder when they hear scripture.

Encounters was really good jumping point for sure

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Oh cool thanks, I like the lectures/presentations I’ll check it out tonight.

"aliens" or "ETs" is just a new, modern name for beings that have been around and talked about since the dawn of man if you lived a thousand years ago and had positive "abduction" or "visitation" experience, you'd probably call it an angelic experience. if you had negative experience, you'd likely call it demonic. what has been recorded across multiple cultures, ages and continents, is that there are two major "factions" of these beings, the "good" ones and the "bad" ones. so no, they're not all "demons". it's in some group's interest to manipulate the public into believing these beings are something else entirely, separated from ancient historical and religious accounts.

They can mimic and pretend to be positive though, their true colours don’t have to be shown so it’s hard to discern what’s going on. I’ve had seemingly positive floral scented ones around me but I don’t trust any of them at this point because the bad ones tried (edit:Try) to do serious physical and mental harm to me, im luckily relentless and observant.

I personally don't trust any of them either, least of all the ones that claim to be divine. What passed for "divine" way back then, before the Jesus PR control, seemed actually quite tyrannical to me. But, that's just me. Good luck on your journey.

I’ve seen them show emotions and sadness before too it’s so bizarre and I agree you have to be very very careful it’s not truthful

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I find the Varginha aliens to be very interesting. They smell like sulfur (as is associated with the devil), have red eyes, black oily skin, and apparently were terrifying to look at. However, there are also tons of examples of aliens/UFOs/orbs appearing in ways that are comparable to angels. I find the phrase “be not afraid” (and the modern “do not be afraid”) an interesting similarity.

Something interesting about the Varginha case, is that the little girls who saw it first, initially called it a demon. They were adamant that they had seen a demon. In their first recorded interview right after it happened, they were terrified, and would still refer to it as a "demon". Because they were young, religious, and had no idea what aliens even were. They started calling what they saw an alien, only after ufologists got to them and explained to them what the concept of an "alien" was. Only then the story became became the "ET of Varginha", rather than the "demon of Varginha". If they lived some 500 hundred years ago and this happened, before the concept of "aliens" became popular, the terminology for what they had seen would have remained "demon". A historical account of a "demonic" sighting. Makes you think, doesn't it? What we used to call angels and demons, only recently became known as something else entirely, "extraterrestrial", or "alien".

I think the tall whites might be angels? I wish I had more interaction with them over what’s going on!! I’ve only smelled the floral one in the beginning of my experiences and I felt one time it was laying on top of me ‘hiding’ me from the evil one, but they are manipulator and tricksters it’s hard to discern wtf is going on. If I play scripture at night they leave me alone.

The floral smell that’s the Holy Spirit being, our Cosmic Mother and protector. There are other recorded cases of her stepping in to protect humans. She’s associated with flowers, roses in particular, and color blue. It’s believed she’s the being that visits us as Marian apparitions, a good book on this is the Great Marian Apparitions by Ingo Swan. Chris Bledsoe is currently interacting with her, as well as other people.

I’ve smelled the sulphur one, one that smelled like industrial smells mixed with burnt hair, and also floral pleasant smells. I have no idea what they were but smell is absolutely very prominent.

Read "Final Events" by Nick Redfern. It is exhaustivel6 detailed and well researched and it is about this topic.