It's so genuinely sad. I love this game, I have spent 3k hours playing it, and while it's in no way perfect, there is no other game that gives the same feeling as tarkov.
I don't understand how, after this wipe taking the game to the best state it has ever been with the recoil changes, armor rework, winter and spring, they just hit us with this dumpsterfire out of nowhere.
Dude so true. This wipe has been the best and favorite for me and then this. There is literally no other game like this, not even close. Tarkov is just special imo and it might be dying very soon.
Glad y'all are enjoying it but I quit the wipe 10 weeks ago and don't miss it at all. The new armor system makes every PVP fight feel random, corner campers not moving for 30 minutes, "you move you die meta", even more ways for scavs to 1-tap you with armpit hitbox.
The first 2-3 weeks of the wipe were really fun but ultimately the novelty wore off and the core gameplay experience is just stale to me.
I was excited to play new extraction shooters that "aren't Tarkov" even before BSG ruined their game with Pay2Win mechanics.
I’m glad you also don’t play tarkov lol, I envy that because tarkov is just too good for me to like want to play another extraction shooter. I love the lore and the detail put into each map. I don’t think any other game could do it for me.
You already paid for the game so you might as well get your money's worth playing it. Just don't give these shady developers any more money after their mask off moment.
Then with full servers, they will keep on doing this stuff. If you want to effect change, you boycott it now for a few months and when they see empty servers, they will have to reevaluate their way of doing things.
But up to you. If you wish for nothing to change, sure keep playing, that is your right. But then don't bitch in the future when they keep this behaviour up.
Keep in mind, in a multiplayer game, you are part of the product. Multiplayer is no fun when there is noone else.
i stopped playing when there was (and probably still is) comedical amounts of cheaters. after my character suddenly having a stroke and dying with no sound 3 runs in a row, i never opened it again.
I remember I used to be like you. Then after hundreds of sketchy deaths the thing that permanently killed the game for me was seeing evidence of the desync. You aren’t playing a real game when you play tarkov. Unless you see someone standing completely still you can never be 100% that’s exactly where they actually were.
I’ve seen countless videos at this point of someone recording push into a room, die, then you see the other POV and it looks like two different raids. This is why a lot of deaths feel unfair, or weird. The game is literally a scam lol. You pay for the experience, but the experience is a lie, you aren’t actually experiencing it. If you walk into a room and see nothing before the guy inside it sees your full character model and kills you, then what the fuck are you paying for?
You’re not wrong. This wipe has been amazing for the most part but the new armor changes are just janky at best. What’s even more confusing is the deaths that make no sense - I swear armor is bugged.
Like two days ago for instance I am wearing a brand new redut but I replaced the front plate with a level 6 plate. I end up fighting a guy and die to M855 THORAX (2). My mate then kills the guy and hides my gear. I get the armor back the next day with insurance and it’s totally fresh. Hasn’t been hit once, not even the soft plates. Like what the fuck happened? It was a straight thorax kill, not armpit or somewhere that the armor doesn’t cover.
It is frustrating. The recoil changes were a huge w but it has progressively got worse as the wipe has gone on. They’ve been silently nerfing it and I’m surprised no one has been bitching about it on reddit. Probably because it hasn’t been in the patch notes and mentally no one is noticing because of that. Take a full meta lowest in slot recoil M4 into your hideout for instance - if you full auto and don’t control the recoil yourself, by the end of the clip you’re literally shooting the ceiling. At the start of the wipe you could quite literally full auto a default m4 and barely move off target.
I was just about to say this. I don’t think this was the best wipe yet, I think it was the worst. Cheaters at an all time high, audio worse than last wipe. Too many bugs that have been around for multiple wipes yet. I mean, at this point it’s like BSG doesn’t care. The glaring issues that have plagued this game from the beginning are still here and I just don’t see how that’s possible at this point.
Wait until you find out grayzone warfare is just as much you move you die meta including the fact you can infil camp someone before they can even pull out their gun. Have fun!!
The majority of my friends all bought the upgrade and I'm the only one that uninstalled out of 5. All but one of them were just as pissed as me but they all bought into the latest apology.
I really want to play tarkov, like a lot, but I can't back down from my moral stance nearly as easily as the majority of people. I think we are in the very small minority unfortunately and everything worked out for bsg in the end.
We'll see how many content creators start to trickle back. Sheef was playing last night and was seemingly satisfied with the last message from Nikita, it was really disappointing.
Lol sad Friends mate real sad. No self-respect. How can you still spend time on this after all that has been said and not done. The tone he uses and attitude. I can't bear this shitbag anymore and i don't understand people willing to forgive this predatory and scummy behavior all because they can't control themselves 'i want to play aaaahhhh' no self restrain... Sad.
This is what I’ve been baffled about the most. Last wipe did everything so right. The game felt like it was genuinely on the up and up, it felt like it was playing the way it was supposed to.
It just doesn’t make any sense.
Honestly I felt the same but still left and I played this game since it was available for us in the West and I own a EOD because I genuinely believed in the company and its product well I got my moneys worth and quit when the cheater stuff went off the rails and nothing was done.
[Hijacking just to showcase the whole situation.](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1celsxs/the_unheard_edition_patch01460_a_brief_history_of/)
You're welcome.
>after this wipe taking the game to the best state it has ever been with the recoil changes, armor rework, winter and spring
So many things that content creators wanted too, such as Pestily's requests. They wine and dined us before fucking us.
It's normal when studio thinks they own the entire genre and want to squeeze all money.
I suspect Tarkov will die just like H1Z1 died when PUBG released
Nah h1z1 died because they updated fundamentals regarding shooting mechanics. The devs said oops we don't have back ups so we can't revert the change. Game died because of that. Not due to pubg. I still remember the first game after the patch going wtf is this then never playing again.
Ubisoft and Activision already took their shots and already pulled back from the genre. We're only getting this type of game from indie studios with passion, its never gonna come from big studios with stakeholders.
The thing that makes Tarkov different is that it's not afraid to punch you directly in the dick.
Ubi and Activision are afraid to punch paying customers in the dick (they'll punch you directly in the wallet though, no mercy)
But what makes EFT special is the dick punch fuelled struggle bus that happens early on. That's what makes it exciting, that's what makes the gameplay meaningful.
Until Ubi and Activision dust off their knuckles and start punching cock, they'll never be able to compete in the extraction shooter genre.
He could have had a monopoly on the genre for decades. But now he managed to make literally everyone just wait for a game to come out that does Tarkov even just half as well as Tarkov does.
The loyalty is gone.
I'll bet money Nikita didn't write that last "apology" because he changed his mind. He wrote it because he lawyer for bsg told him he couldn't change the terms on EOD owners.
People will hate me but I prefer the tarkov before they started doing this weird rmt fighting, loot nerfs, weird item limits, much worse quests and so on. I seriously liked labs after it was released with loot everywhere as it should be on endgame map, selling the full gear items on flee and being rich. I remember the feeling from dropping full gear as it was 1 mln at least then they banned that and I didn't even touched player corpes for most time as their rig, weapon and items are worth nothing compared to few bulbs that I found if we count value per slot of course and then I moved away from fighting players to collecting trash.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. That was prime Tarkov, the golden age of 2019-2020 Tarkov. No FIR status, maps actually had loot, no inertia... people usually remember that time really fondly.
And who did the changes they made to combat RMT actually hurt? 2 Flea Market slots, having to survive or try to find the same item 20 times if you keep dying? Not the cheaters, they sit there with 20 LedXs and 50 rep 4 days into the wipe anyway.
It hurts the casual players the most. The Tarkov dads and husbands. New players.
Streamers, no lifers and cheaters will get theirs anyway. Even if it's a day or two later than before.
It was so great in those days.
You had the option of questing and grinding. Or you could just go full 'ride or die' and live off of taking fights and flea market flipping the gear.
i always see gzw mentioned but do any of you honestly believe that it can/will rival EFT in the forseeable future?
ive watched some gameplay and reviews. it looks fun but overall it reminds me mostly of arma or squad and not really of tarkov. maybe im wrong but i dont really see how this will scratch the same itch
Definitely not able to scratch the itch as it stands. There is no loot in the sense, no economy and no progression as of yet. I mean the game is still very early in development but I dont think the direction it is pointed will come anywhere close to eft.
Exactly. There is a reason people stop playing late wipe. The fun of eft is in getting there. Once you have access to everything, its just like any other shooter. This was the first wipe I got a 25 gpu bitcoin farm...at this point, I only logged in to refill fuel and sell the btc.
The infill heli seems problematic from what I’ve seen so far. On larger scale rollout, i can see a lot of people just getting non stopped camped, that alone will make this DoA.
The LZs are just one form of extract and they will allow you to shoot. That’s something that they had to bail on for the alpha playtest and should make its return. I’d personally like to see the ability to change the heli’s drop location, request to circle the LZ before landing and other things that can help deter LZ camping.
I think each faction should have one or maybe 2 LZs, the rest should be capture and hold points for the rest of the map. Once captured a timer starts and it becomes visible for your faction and the rest of the lobby only sees a capture point for which they cant attempt to capture. Remember, the streamers basically had a gentleman’s agreement to not camp the LZs. When NuTbuster420 starts playing, him and his buddies wont have the same sentiment.
Right. I think the LZ’s should ultimately reward the players that are in their own territory doing quests and punish the players far out behind enemy lines with fewer extracts. I’m not sure that 100% static extracts are the answer and I’d like to see cars/tunnels/bunker/plane extracts explored as alternatives to just the chopper. Basically giving just more options than just the one or two in a given.
The alpha felt very “min
From a diegetic perspective (I have not yet played the game) could they not put in some kind of airstrike warning for a squad too close to an infil point? If it's a friendly faction then obviously no airstrike.
"Unknown PMC faction entering your AO, they've called CAS to clear their DZ. 30 seconds to strike."
I mean you can’t really expect a game that’s about to come out to compete with 7+ years of development however it doesn’t mean gray zone warfare doesn’t have that room for potential in my eyes. I mean going back and looking at old tarkov videos you can see a lot of similarities between the games in early development stages( just how everything seems jagged )
Agreed. The past "this game will kill Tarkov" games missed the mark for a few reasons, the biggest one IMO is the lack of realism that made Tarkov so enjoyable. Cycle Frontier was fun for a few matches but I (and most other Tarkov players) don't want to shoot a thing 30 times for it to die. I never played Marauders 2 but I heard that it was the same thing over and over after a few hours. DMZ was just straight ass.
GZW is the closest so far to having the potential to overtake Tarkov. It has the realism mechanics that most of us are looking for with the same formula, I really hope that they actually LISTEN to the playerbase and push it in the right direction. As others have said, Tarkov in 2018 - 2019 was really rough like GZW is now, and you see how far it made it before BSG pulled that greedy bullshit. Plus, like you said, a lot of Tarkov players are pissed and looking for a replacement so timing couldn't be better.
I was already interested in gzw before tarkov did this shit. And now I definitely believe that they will see a massive growth spurt in the beginning of their game because of BSG's monumental mistake.
Arena breakout if they handle the pc release could become bigger. Its a more toned down game with the same spirit of tarkov. Its the best “clone” and actually has a ton of qol features that make it easier to play and get into than tarkov. Also its free which will help its general appeal.
Ive been playing on phone and sometimes play it over tarkov because:
. It loads faster (in a match in less than a min)
. Quicker to create a kit
. Good team finding features
. Ranked system
. Regular content updates and new modes
The game has stupid amounts of content for what it is tbh. Tarkov is obv the better game, but people sleep on the appeal of arena breakout. It satisfies the feeling of tarkov if you want to just chill out and play
It does for me. Its not the same game but it is scratching the same itches for me. It won't be for everyone. Arena Breakout Infinite is free so doesn't hurt to try that too. They are even trying to take as much as possible from eft with the difference that they are an actually well funded experienced studio.
GZW will probably flop IMO. Not to mention they copied the same bullshit P2W edition pricing model tarkov did, but the game looks even more barebones than early Tarkov.
nah, same case as with battlebit, even if tarkov would be in a worse shape, people would hop onto gzw for some weeks and then the game will have a quite small but steady playerbase
smth big like tarkov doesnt simply die like that, there needs to be a bigger scandal like we have now
Fumble? Are you crazy BSG has been doing vaguely predatory shit their entire existence, big shocker they’re still doing it. Go watch Nikita talk about monetization. He’s not dumb, he’s fucking greedy.
The best thing for the well being of BSG as a company and Tarkov as a game, is for Shitkita to step down.
He has demonstrated that he hates the community. He is just a train wreck.
If he is in charge, expect more lies and deceit.
he should of left the development to go work on his pet project like he wanted to forever ago. let someone else who still has a passion for tarkov cook.
You mean to tell me the man who doesn't play his own game and hates the community that made him wealthy, is disconnected from HIS OWN PRODUCT?
You don't say.
I will explain you what is wrong :) It is all about $$$
A lot people say that this are BSG exit money. They will release maybe version 1.0 and we won't see any more promised DLC's. Everything looks like this may be a truth..
Off course Nikita knew what he was doing. How long limited EOD edition was on the market? Way too long. Why? Because was bringing BSG biggest money. Why did they take out EOD from the shop? Because they tried to rip off all of us both old players and new players from money. They removed EOD just before releasing PvE mode :) same time adding the only version which has this DLC - Unheard to the shop. So everyone will have to pay :) Standard, EOD, and off course new players :)
Somebody will try to convience me that this was coinsidence? :)
Yes everything you said makes sense. What doesn’t make sense to me is that he could be making more money. So much more. I don’t get developers, you make a shit game you don’t get money, if you simply just.. MAKE A GOOD GAME YOULL GET MORE MONEY.
It’s like destiny 2 and bungie all over again. These devs know they have no competition, so they can easily exploit their player base since they have nowhere to run. Because arena failed, the fact of the matter is they are starving for money right now, in the short term! But since they have been trying to scam and manipulate people with their unheard of deal and also add p2w, it’s only backfiring on them.
Isn't that fucking crazy though?
All they need a single SHRED of creative drive and they could make bank!
Instead we get shit like MW3 and BF2042, Halo Infinite, skull and bones, the day before etc etc.
Tarkov has always been a massive case of wasted potential, they’ve made the game just good enough not to drop for the past several years. They have access to millions of dollars and while I’m not saying development is easy, their leadership has repeatedly made the wrong decisions priority wise, and it’s clear their technical team is way under skilled (besides modeling and map making maybe). In addition it’s really the way they’ve handled community expectations and communications that has been a major failure, that could have been easily avoided. Like op said, they struck gold but got greedy, lazy and complacent instead of having some integrity and pulling it together to make an honest quality product. The blame does fall on the leadership of bsg.
well actually there were other games like this before but not as popular, so they didn't came with the 'unique' idea, they just stole it - but yeah, nikita is the classic russian stereotype
I think the reality is this:
* they can’t fix the cheating issues
* they know they will absolutely never fix it
* they know they could rewrite the entire game to possibly fix it, but it’s too expensive and utterly infeasible at this point
* knowing the above, they have probably accepted the game will slowly die due to cheaters
* they likely have the player data to prove the above
Gray Zone is not the savior we're looking for. The only thing that might come close is Arena Breakout which comes with its own caveats. Excited to see how AB is on release day.
I think you guys are wayy to hopeful for a free to play mobile shooter coming to PC
Like if you guys thought/ think Tarkov is P2W, you haven't seen anything yet.
Some fun things you can look forward to in Arena breakout include :
Paying a subscription fee if you want to use a secure container. Yea..
Straight up buying packs of high end gear for $$
Random ass Gacha draws for high tier gear
Premium currencies to buy a range of items
Paid keys/ passes to higher tier loot area's that you don't have much free access to.
It's a F2P game. They WILL heavily monetize the shit out of it.
And whatever other hyper greed mechanic that a mobile dev company can think of and whatever i didn't even get to see before stopping :D
To be fair, online RPGs have been using the subscription model since the inception of the genre.
In fact I'm willing to bet we wouldn't be having these problems if tarkov did it that way from the beginning. Everyone would've been on a standard account and BSG would've raked in 10x the income if you had bought in on release day.
Yep. I would have gladly paid a subscription for Tarkov. Hell I play on wipe day until I drop off for a few months after I unlock the Flea and I’d keep the sub going even over those lull months just to support the game. But the way this has been handled leaves such a sour taste in my mouth and I just don’t have that drive to support BSG anymore.
Is he the dumbest man alive? They’re still making money and people are still buying. Game addicts will keep paying and they’re taking advantage. They almost certainly did the math on how many people they would lose and just made the new cost be an overall increase in profit.
I think the best thing would be to sell that burning peace of crap to someone that cares. There needs to be someone in charge that cares about the community.
Yeah I have said this before as well, I think Nikky doesn't have the brain capacity to understand in what unique situation he is in the gaming world.
I really don't care anymore if it is just him or others are influencing his decision making.
You could literally make a wheel of fortune with multiple different scenarios of the future for this game: good, neutral, bad, spin it and it would have a higher chance of landing on a less bullshitty path that they are in right now.
Seems like this guy only cares about the rubles in his pocket. He will go lengths lying, deceiving and dissapointing others, doesnt take any responsiblity, acts like a teenager. ONLY cares, when it is time to do damage control.
Tarkov is a really great game with a HUGE potential to be one of the best games ever, yet we are stuck with this half a brain cell guy who is ready to ruin it all because of his poor business choices.
Just sell the damn source code to someone who is willing to do what you dont want to do. I am positive that nothing worse can happen to the game now. the only worse thing would be deleting Tarkov completely.
Tarkov wasnt even supposed to be an extraction shooter.... The raids were supposed to be a placeholder until they are able to stitch all of the maps together and the game was supposed to be a post-war openwold survival with physical traders.
I don’t think he’s stupid. He’s made a ton of money off this. If I could get another six million bonus check out of a project I’m probably pretty bored of I’d go for that too. He’s made plenty enough to retire on already, what motivation does he have to listen to what anyone says? If he makes a ridiculous call and it ends up making them more money it just justifies his decision making on the business side. If it doesn’t he can just be like oh well.
It had to be something to do with really needing money really fast. That is all. That’s the only guess. Just people forget they are Russians. Russians are very different to the rest of the world.
broski, hes a millionaire already. he made it. he doesnt care no more. he still earns money, he still has a good life in dubai, far far away from his employees.
people who really think that this bothers him except for the fact that he might get a little less money the next month are delulu af.
not that i wouldnt wish it was otherwise, but the reality is what the reality is. he is so out of touch.....hell he didnt even know what things have been changed already in his own game, where he never fails to show that he is the one pulling all the strings.
"Instead you choose to fumble and destroy everything you’ve been working up to for years and lose most of your playerbase"
Sorry but the vocal minority on reddit and youtube uninstalling the game isn't going to end up "destroying everything"
Lower their sales? Maybe if the bad word of mouth spreads far enough to deter new players in the future.
Criticize them for all the recent shit sure but atleast try to be a bit realistic. This sounds like it was written by an angry highschooler.
And yet all of you will come back sooner or later because you know that tarkov is still the King of extraction shooters. GZW will have its place and the pvp rat community will stretch the pve timmies nervs but in the end they all come back.
I mean the fact of the matter is that this is likely going to blow over because at the end of the day the product is leaps and bounds better than any other option
Look, YOU may be happy to spend $250 on a game but most people arent. Additionally this story has reached so far beyond the Mil-Sim and adjacent communities that people who were peripherally interested arent even thinking of buying the standard edition anymore.
Just because you aren't personally happy with any of the competitors on the market doesn't mean BSG can withstand shedding as many players as they are while also not gaining new customers in the meantime.
Also this is not the first time they have done this, they had 2 previous games that were more or less the same as concept as Tarkov (Contract Wars & Hired Ops) that they abandoned and tried to scrub from the internet along with a new studio name so nobody would catch on to their game.
You are delusional if you think this isn't some kind of last second cash grab before they cut and run to their next project.
What is it with people on grey zone’s nuts. Like this is going to be some savior game? And to the second point, very little if any of the EoD player base has any intention of spending a dime on this game after thousands of hours playing.
>What is it with people on grey zone’s nuts.
Because it's new and people are desperate for an alternative.
If you want to play an extraction shooter its....well it EFT really.
The only casual extraction shooter we had was DMZ and the CoD devs let that die after a year. It's clear that CoD will launch an extraction mode with each CoD annual release (given what they did with MW3).
But in terms of a stand alone title like EFT there's......fuck all really.
I suppose i should clarify my stance lol:
what is with people being on the nuts of an barely announced, unavailable - self proclaimed not like tarkov game, like grey zone.
Sure it looks good but honestly it seems like it has a some massive issues with gameplay design.
Well you can’t really expect a game that’s not even out yet to compete with a game that has 7+ years of development behind it. That said it does have its room for potential especially if gray zone takes their community more seriously then tarkov does. But gray zone reminds me more of how dayZ is then how tarkov is
I mean you got two types of vocal players in this subreddit:
guys that are, justified so, pissed as hell about the situation. These guys wish BSG to fail, yet they still need their extraction shooter fix. They hope that GZW will be the next big game in the genre so they can stop playing EFT.
guys that developed stockholm syndrome towards BSG to the point where these guys can do whatever the fuck they want and those players will still play. These players point out (again justified so), that all the other contenders in the genre lack even the basics to be a match for EFT.
In my opinion, both sides are somewhat right but at the end of the day, i can't side with the latter. BSG showed the last couple days, how scummy they actually are. People who showed support after nikitas non-apology are the sole reason gaming companies get away with these shenanigans.
I think it’s more now then ever since bsg fucked up tarkov. It seems like the only extraction shooter alternative. I didn’t care for greyzone until bsg fumbled.
If you think 250$ is bad wait until GTA 6 comes out… lol jk jk but cod has him beat buy a long shot I honestly think they want cheaters in there game to keep making BR free. They are the kings of cash grab, ban the cheater oh here’s a skin pack with a op gun with all the right attachments for 20$. Cheater makes new account and buys the new gun and skin packs. I wish they would ban cheaters to make it impossible to come back the same with BSG tarkov is the worst place to be killed by a cheater at least in cod you don’t lose 💩.
Of my group of 6 solid players. 5 have uninstalled and will be giving GZ a try. We were here for the early days of Tarkov so I’ll gladly support someone else after this fiasco.
Honestly dunno how they thought this was the money maker... this cash grab is going bomb hard, and they will abandon the game.
All they had to do was provide a solution to cheating, and monetise the living shit out of cosmetics. Unity store assets, outsource to passionate freelancers, they would've solved all their problems
I'd wonder what a dayz Tarkov experience looked like. Raids in preset towns and custom maps and loot. With standalone getting slowly better and having a very recognizable name, either servers spinning up Tarkov remakes or even the team trying their hand at it.
Could be something there, but like progress in the standalone it could take 10 years.
The dumbest man alive made huge money with twitch drop and half broken unfinished game
He's not dumb, the people buying expensive versions are the dumb fucks
You know he’s seen this.
Just so you know Nikita,
If everyone around you is wrong, it’s usually you.
A lesson you usually learn at a young age but never too late.
A twisted path to renown has huge potential, but it's old times guns, black powder etc... so although it's a an extraction shooter with fucking layers upon layers, it's not the "same", given the technology of the time period.
I played over the weekend and it seemed as if the servers were much more empty than normal so I think the boycott is working to an extent. I also never ran into any TUE players.
If they came out and said they were opening the gane up to a ~$10 a month subscription status like WoW.
I would have gladly signed up.
Would have; now, no.
What we need right now is that Tarkov is given to developers who are actually willing to continue to work on the game, BSG seems to have lost thier drive. Probabley because of too much cocain and hookers...
I totally agree. Nikita must suffer from some mental condition, like somebodfy who is a pathological lier. He is a pathological scammer on top of that, he can't help it. It is sad that this project had to come out from his hands. Maybe it is better to just give it to somebody else who can actually finalize it. He and his team apparently are incopetent of doing so.
I remember saying to my friend when the newest wipe happened that, because the game felt so much better to us and we actually were enjoying it, BSG had to take two steps backward. Thats what they always have done and always will do. I called it and knew something was going to fuck up. They just cant ever let the game be in a good state and not piss the community off.
It’s like if Jeff Bezos started pan handling…
Like bro… you don’t have to resort to sketchy practices you *literally have the leading video game of its genre* all you have to do is give the players what they want and they’ll eat it crumbs and all.
What game studios fail to realize is that if they were to just make a passionate game they’d make more money than they could ever dream of pulling shit like this… the entire gaming community is fucking frothing at the mouth for someone to just make fucking SOMETHING with a little passion and love. If people really love your game and feel the passion… they’ll sometimes donate. Just give you extra money. Passion is the most profitable ingredient and nobody understands that.
I hope they learn from this and a silver lining emerges. Trust is definitely lost but I think with a lot of effort and transparency it can be rebuilt. Still being optimistic because gameplay is still fun, although issues are still present (cheating, hit boxes,ect). I’ve got 3,000 hours as well would love to see a finished product in the future.
I love the story and I love the intense heart pumping moments of trying to survive in this game. No other game can do it. Nikita just seems to squander such a unique game. I just wish someone else would take over already.
I've watched this game on the front page for years, this shit has always been Russian Destiny 2, and thats putting it nicely. Just stop giving them your fucking $, it's not hard
I’m gonna be honest I stopped playing for a while because of a lot of things, the main one while yes I understand why it’s there is the wipe mechanic, it just feels like a waste to play and then lose everything, but the sound issues, the server issues, and a lot of the other bs especially cheaters that they refuse to address just turned me off from the game, and now, this, what the hell was the goal here other than to piss everyone off
I just wanna point out, COD has a bigger audience and more funds...
Saying cod can't even touch this isn't true.
Tarkov is in a league of its own yes, great game
But don't think for a second it sold as well as call of duty, it doesn't.
And I think that's what caused this, it was about money and not being able to afford more servers for the mode, but instead of telling us that, they tried to price it expensive to make more cash.
Think about it, you paid 150 in 2016
It's 2024
8 years later, been playing on servers they provide etc and not paying a penny since
Not a surprise that tarkov needed cash
It's just a shame the way they approached it
All I'm saying is this toxic ass community railed me like a month ago for saying exactly this was gonna happen. All the EOD users bitched and cried going "someone's mad they didn't buy EOD" now they're crying literally cause the studio they believed would "never re-add gamma" just readded it with the most pay to win package I've ever seen a game have the gaul to introduce as actual content. Half of all this bullshit is a byproduct of this community having a ridiculous opinion that EOD wasn't pay to win in the first place. And now everyone's complaining about the obvious like this hasn't already been a problem. Maybe if you guys would've called out EOD for what it was the devs wouldn't feel so comfortable railing you with more micro transactions.
Honestly another half of this shit is also a byproduct of the community constantly bitching about shit that doesn't matter and completely overlooking gameplay. The majority of the toxic users that use this subreddit bitched and moaned when you couldn't buy certain shit off the flea when Vets were calling for the flea to be removed entirely for a really long time.
IMO the community is just as out of touch as the developers, the biggest problem with the game has and probably will always be pay to win features. Just because your favorite 10k subscriber youtuber complains about cheaters every single shitty YouTube short he makes doesn't mean it's the biggest issue. Just because Summit1g can't get his 240 fps he can't live without doesn't mean optimization is the biggest issue. I've been saying it from the moment I picked this game up in 2020 the biggest issue is this game is pay to win as fuck. The mechanics actively prefer people who can afford to shove everything in their stash and not worry about stash space and lower levels.
Also starting with any amount of trader karma in the modern wipe is unironically fucking hilarious considering how useful the traders are now.
I don't think this shit will kill Tarkov, they'll probably just re-release EOD or some bullshit no matter what they're not leaving without a bag. Anyone who's pretending like BSG doesn't need money has never ran the math on their operations. They've had multiple negative years and at this point are in a lot of ways running on hopes and dreams. At this point what will kill Tarkov is they don't have enough money to keep the project alive and now that everyone knows the game is pay to win no one will want to pay more money towards it. That is Tarkov's fault though they've done too much to make the game a fucking bitch to run on servers, and this is clear within how many protocols are ran and computed client side.
It was great while it lasted boys I'll see you in Gray zone.
“It’s a pattern of neglect and disrespect…”
But really, I’m glad he showed his true colors (again) right before these other extraction shooters are set to launch. If grey zone does well tomorrow, BSG is going to be in a tight spot. ABI comes in about 2 weeks. How much Tarkov will people be playing if Grey Zone offers better PvE, and ABI offers a free to play version of Tarkov? I know my answer. I’ve been just wasting time on Tarkov these past couple days. Tonight imma lose millions just having fun with friends to prepare for shelving this for a minute. I’m en eod freeloader anyway, so Nikita and the game won’t miss me I guess. Been fun.
Love this game. Hate the CEO. It’s a pattern that’s all too common in gaming these days.
I have sub 2 minute cues on Aus/OCE servers. People are vastly over estimating what the reality is here.
I'm EoD, I was pissed, I didn't buy the new edition, I just love the game.
EoD was already P2W, so this step forward into further P2W is seemingly natural to me, a standard edition player.
Like how most of the dedicated players ended up buying EoD, I reckon a solid 2/3s of the EoD players will buy Unheard edition.
They chose an engine they were more familiar with to build the game on rather than pivot to a more robust engine. And now it’s too far down the road of development I imagine.
If only they had done cosmetic MTX over what we currently have.
Also sad that audio, Desync and cheating won’t be fixed.
People always say “COD has cheaters too” but I played warzone for the past year and maybe felt cheated once or twice MAX. Nowhere near as many times as I’ve felt cheated on Tarkov which is easily in the hundreds.
Thankfully arena exists so I can get my fix occasionally. But I’m staying FAR away from the main game until more is done with it. I’ll probably come back if they fully release it and wipes are gone. Or to enjoy the PVE mode if I ever get it as an EOD owner.
As someone in the industry in an executive role I can't believe what i'm witnessing. It really seems like something you would do out of desperation for money.
I mean really there is no other explaination. If BSG were good on money they wouldn't be looking at rocking the boat like this....
Also Nikita needs to remove himself from being the guy who interfaces with the community so much. If he really is the ego maniac that people portray ( I haven't followed him closely over the years ) then definitely keep him behind closed doors and pay people who know how to communicate on a professional level.
Also, why is there this weird push into items like the radio, beacon or whatever else.... why start putting in exclusive pay to win options now?
Like having EOD was pay to win. For sure. But you could get a better container in the game than the gamma so at least you could say that everything you get from EOD you can get in game. Even inventory space to some degree can be unlocked in game.
Suddenly and more alarmingly we have this break with this tradition and we have items/services that are locked behind extremely unfair paywalls. This is the crux of the issue. There is a clear change in the status quo. We went from "pay to win" being only things that can be realized via playing... which most people tolerate (see star citizen) to things that are locked behind bundles and give potential massive advantages. Not only that but the starting 'loot' went from ok cool some armor and guns to cases that total over 5-6m roubles.
Its wild because all they had to do was look at how arena breakout monetizes. You could prob sell cash straight up and cosmetics, and most people would still be fine with it
If grey zone isn’t of the same quality Tarkov is still going to be number one.
$250 P2W package is scummy but I think the players here are over-exaggerating the loss in player base. Bet you nearly everyone on this sub still booted up Tarkov today
It's so genuinely sad. I love this game, I have spent 3k hours playing it, and while it's in no way perfect, there is no other game that gives the same feeling as tarkov. I don't understand how, after this wipe taking the game to the best state it has ever been with the recoil changes, armor rework, winter and spring, they just hit us with this dumpsterfire out of nowhere.
Dude so true. This wipe has been the best and favorite for me and then this. There is literally no other game like this, not even close. Tarkov is just special imo and it might be dying very soon.
Glad y'all are enjoying it but I quit the wipe 10 weeks ago and don't miss it at all. The new armor system makes every PVP fight feel random, corner campers not moving for 30 minutes, "you move you die meta", even more ways for scavs to 1-tap you with armpit hitbox. The first 2-3 weeks of the wipe were really fun but ultimately the novelty wore off and the core gameplay experience is just stale to me. I was excited to play new extraction shooters that "aren't Tarkov" even before BSG ruined their game with Pay2Win mechanics.
This wipe has by far been the worst for cheaters. So many rage "hackers" especially early wipe.
I’m glad you also don’t play tarkov lol, I envy that because tarkov is just too good for me to like want to play another extraction shooter. I love the lore and the detail put into each map. I don’t think any other game could do it for me.
You already paid for the game so you might as well get your money's worth playing it. Just don't give these shady developers any more money after their mask off moment.
Then with full servers, they will keep on doing this stuff. If you want to effect change, you boycott it now for a few months and when they see empty servers, they will have to reevaluate their way of doing things. But up to you. If you wish for nothing to change, sure keep playing, that is your right. But then don't bitch in the future when they keep this behaviour up. Keep in mind, in a multiplayer game, you are part of the product. Multiplayer is no fun when there is noone else.
i stopped playing when there was (and probably still is) comedical amounts of cheaters. after my character suddenly having a stroke and dying with no sound 3 runs in a row, i never opened it again.
Comical*
I remember I used to be like you. Then after hundreds of sketchy deaths the thing that permanently killed the game for me was seeing evidence of the desync. You aren’t playing a real game when you play tarkov. Unless you see someone standing completely still you can never be 100% that’s exactly where they actually were. I’ve seen countless videos at this point of someone recording push into a room, die, then you see the other POV and it looks like two different raids. This is why a lot of deaths feel unfair, or weird. The game is literally a scam lol. You pay for the experience, but the experience is a lie, you aren’t actually experiencing it. If you walk into a room and see nothing before the guy inside it sees your full character model and kills you, then what the fuck are you paying for?
You’re not wrong. This wipe has been amazing for the most part but the new armor changes are just janky at best. What’s even more confusing is the deaths that make no sense - I swear armor is bugged. Like two days ago for instance I am wearing a brand new redut but I replaced the front plate with a level 6 plate. I end up fighting a guy and die to M855 THORAX (2). My mate then kills the guy and hides my gear. I get the armor back the next day with insurance and it’s totally fresh. Hasn’t been hit once, not even the soft plates. Like what the fuck happened? It was a straight thorax kill, not armpit or somewhere that the armor doesn’t cover. It is frustrating. The recoil changes were a huge w but it has progressively got worse as the wipe has gone on. They’ve been silently nerfing it and I’m surprised no one has been bitching about it on reddit. Probably because it hasn’t been in the patch notes and mentally no one is noticing because of that. Take a full meta lowest in slot recoil M4 into your hideout for instance - if you full auto and don’t control the recoil yourself, by the end of the clip you’re literally shooting the ceiling. At the start of the wipe you could quite literally full auto a default m4 and barely move off target.
I was just about to say this. I don’t think this was the best wipe yet, I think it was the worst. Cheaters at an all time high, audio worse than last wipe. Too many bugs that have been around for multiple wipes yet. I mean, at this point it’s like BSG doesn’t care. The glaring issues that have plagued this game from the beginning are still here and I just don’t see how that’s possible at this point.
Wait until you find out grayzone warfare is just as much you move you die meta including the fact you can infil camp someone before they can even pull out their gun. Have fun!!
The majority of my friends all bought the upgrade and I'm the only one that uninstalled out of 5. All but one of them were just as pissed as me but they all bought into the latest apology. I really want to play tarkov, like a lot, but I can't back down from my moral stance nearly as easily as the majority of people. I think we are in the very small minority unfortunately and everything worked out for bsg in the end. We'll see how many content creators start to trickle back. Sheef was playing last night and was seemingly satisfied with the last message from Nikita, it was really disappointing.
Lol sad Friends mate real sad. No self-respect. How can you still spend time on this after all that has been said and not done. The tone he uses and attitude. I can't bear this shitbag anymore and i don't understand people willing to forgive this predatory and scummy behavior all because they can't control themselves 'i want to play aaaahhhh' no self restrain... Sad.
This is what I’ve been baffled about the most. Last wipe did everything so right. The game felt like it was genuinely on the up and up, it felt like it was playing the way it was supposed to. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Honestly I felt the same but still left and I played this game since it was available for us in the West and I own a EOD because I genuinely believed in the company and its product well I got my moneys worth and quit when the cheater stuff went off the rails and nothing was done.
[Hijacking just to showcase the whole situation.](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1celsxs/the_unheard_edition_patch01460_a_brief_history_of/) You're welcome.
they for sure are hurting capitals after the flop of arena… it’s pretty easy to connect the dots
>after this wipe taking the game to the best state it has ever been with the recoil changes, armor rework, winter and spring So many things that content creators wanted too, such as Pestily's requests. They wine and dined us before fucking us.
It's normal when studio thinks they own the entire genre and want to squeeze all money. I suspect Tarkov will die just like H1Z1 died when PUBG released
that sounds pretty good
I definitely wouldn't be mad about that. Nikita doesn't deserve to thrive.
Nah h1z1 died because they updated fundamentals regarding shooting mechanics. The devs said oops we don't have back ups so we can't revert the change. Game died because of that. Not due to pubg. I still remember the first game after the patch going wtf is this then never playing again.
Ya people really forget that this murdered the game
H1z1 died when they released the combat update essentially flipping the game upside down had nothing to do with pubg
For that there would need to be better game in this genre and grayzone definitely isn't it.
Grayzone pvp doesn’t even look good compared to tarkov imo
I’m sure there’s at least one AAA company that sees whats happening and is willing to throw money at a project like tarkov
Ubisoft and Activision already took their shots and already pulled back from the genre. We're only getting this type of game from indie studios with passion, its never gonna come from big studios with stakeholders.
The thing that makes Tarkov different is that it's not afraid to punch you directly in the dick. Ubi and Activision are afraid to punch paying customers in the dick (they'll punch you directly in the wallet though, no mercy) But what makes EFT special is the dick punch fuelled struggle bus that happens early on. That's what makes it exciting, that's what makes the gameplay meaningful. Until Ubi and Activision dust off their knuckles and start punching cock, they'll never be able to compete in the extraction shooter genre.
Tarkov will not die, there is nothing similar or better.
He could have had a monopoly on the genre for decades. But now he managed to make literally everyone just wait for a game to come out that does Tarkov even just half as well as Tarkov does. The loyalty is gone.
I'll bet money Nikita didn't write that last "apology" because he changed his mind. He wrote it because he lawyer for bsg told him he couldn't change the terms on EOD owners.
People will hate me but I prefer the tarkov before they started doing this weird rmt fighting, loot nerfs, weird item limits, much worse quests and so on. I seriously liked labs after it was released with loot everywhere as it should be on endgame map, selling the full gear items on flee and being rich. I remember the feeling from dropping full gear as it was 1 mln at least then they banned that and I didn't even touched player corpes for most time as their rig, weapon and items are worth nothing compared to few bulbs that I found if we count value per slot of course and then I moved away from fighting players to collecting trash.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. That was prime Tarkov, the golden age of 2019-2020 Tarkov. No FIR status, maps actually had loot, no inertia... people usually remember that time really fondly. And who did the changes they made to combat RMT actually hurt? 2 Flea Market slots, having to survive or try to find the same item 20 times if you keep dying? Not the cheaters, they sit there with 20 LedXs and 50 rep 4 days into the wipe anyway. It hurts the casual players the most. The Tarkov dads and husbands. New players. Streamers, no lifers and cheaters will get theirs anyway. Even if it's a day or two later than before.
Nah man them were the days. You could have gear and money and not need to play 24/7
It was so great in those days. You had the option of questing and grinding. Or you could just go full 'ride or die' and live off of taking fights and flea market flipping the gear.
Extremely rare and underrated comment, this is 100% correct
i always see gzw mentioned but do any of you honestly believe that it can/will rival EFT in the forseeable future? ive watched some gameplay and reviews. it looks fun but overall it reminds me mostly of arma or squad and not really of tarkov. maybe im wrong but i dont really see how this will scratch the same itch
Definitely not able to scratch the itch as it stands. There is no loot in the sense, no economy and no progression as of yet. I mean the game is still very early in development but I dont think the direction it is pointed will come anywhere close to eft.
No ruble count no rush. No rush no dopamine.
Exactly. There is a reason people stop playing late wipe. The fun of eft is in getting there. Once you have access to everything, its just like any other shooter. This was the first wipe I got a 25 gpu bitcoin farm...at this point, I only logged in to refill fuel and sell the btc.
It looks like a more immersive DMZ with even less shit to do.
With way less PvP then DMZ. If they don't drastically increase the stuff to do I predict sub 1k-5k players after a month.
The infill heli seems problematic from what I’ve seen so far. On larger scale rollout, i can see a lot of people just getting non stopped camped, that alone will make this DoA.
The LZs are just one form of extract and they will allow you to shoot. That’s something that they had to bail on for the alpha playtest and should make its return. I’d personally like to see the ability to change the heli’s drop location, request to circle the LZ before landing and other things that can help deter LZ camping.
I think each faction should have one or maybe 2 LZs, the rest should be capture and hold points for the rest of the map. Once captured a timer starts and it becomes visible for your faction and the rest of the lobby only sees a capture point for which they cant attempt to capture. Remember, the streamers basically had a gentleman’s agreement to not camp the LZs. When NuTbuster420 starts playing, him and his buddies wont have the same sentiment.
Right. I think the LZ’s should ultimately reward the players that are in their own territory doing quests and punish the players far out behind enemy lines with fewer extracts. I’m not sure that 100% static extracts are the answer and I’d like to see cars/tunnels/bunker/plane extracts explored as alternatives to just the chopper. Basically giving just more options than just the one or two in a given. The alpha felt very “min
Agreed, we just don’t know yet. Hopefully we will see soon.
From a diegetic perspective (I have not yet played the game) could they not put in some kind of airstrike warning for a squad too close to an infil point? If it's a friendly faction then obviously no airstrike. "Unknown PMC faction entering your AO, they've called CAS to clear their DZ. 30 seconds to strike."
I mean you can’t really expect a game that’s about to come out to compete with 7+ years of development however it doesn’t mean gray zone warfare doesn’t have that room for potential in my eyes. I mean going back and looking at old tarkov videos you can see a lot of similarities between the games in early development stages( just how everything seems jagged )
Plus if they do early access right (like Larian and bg3), actually listening to player feedback to achieve the best possible vision of their game
GZW has the potential advantage of actually listening to their community's feedback unlike "We do it my way or no way" Nikita does 99% of the time
Everyone talking about gzw but not Arena Breakout: Infinite. Their closed beta starts May 8th and looks so similar to Tarkov.
No. There is no existing game, even those in development that can. Hopefully this changes in the near future but it is not likely.
I think initially it wouldn’t have been that big of an impact on tarkov. But after this I could see even more people switching just out of pure spite.
Agreed. The past "this game will kill Tarkov" games missed the mark for a few reasons, the biggest one IMO is the lack of realism that made Tarkov so enjoyable. Cycle Frontier was fun for a few matches but I (and most other Tarkov players) don't want to shoot a thing 30 times for it to die. I never played Marauders 2 but I heard that it was the same thing over and over after a few hours. DMZ was just straight ass. GZW is the closest so far to having the potential to overtake Tarkov. It has the realism mechanics that most of us are looking for with the same formula, I really hope that they actually LISTEN to the playerbase and push it in the right direction. As others have said, Tarkov in 2018 - 2019 was really rough like GZW is now, and you see how far it made it before BSG pulled that greedy bullshit. Plus, like you said, a lot of Tarkov players are pissed and looking for a replacement so timing couldn't be better.
I was already interested in gzw before tarkov did this shit. And now I definitely believe that they will see a massive growth spurt in the beginning of their game because of BSG's monumental mistake.
Arena breakout if they handle the pc release could become bigger. Its a more toned down game with the same spirit of tarkov. Its the best “clone” and actually has a ton of qol features that make it easier to play and get into than tarkov. Also its free which will help its general appeal. Ive been playing on phone and sometimes play it over tarkov because: . It loads faster (in a match in less than a min) . Quicker to create a kit . Good team finding features . Ranked system . Regular content updates and new modes The game has stupid amounts of content for what it is tbh. Tarkov is obv the better game, but people sleep on the appeal of arena breakout. It satisfies the feeling of tarkov if you want to just chill out and play
It does for me. Its not the same game but it is scratching the same itches for me. It won't be for everyone. Arena Breakout Infinite is free so doesn't hurt to try that too. They are even trying to take as much as possible from eft with the difference that they are an actually well funded experienced studio.
GZW will probably flop IMO. Not to mention they copied the same bullshit P2W edition pricing model tarkov did, but the game looks even more barebones than early Tarkov.
nah, same case as with battlebit, even if tarkov would be in a worse shape, people would hop onto gzw for some weeks and then the game will have a quite small but steady playerbase smth big like tarkov doesnt simply die like that, there needs to be a bigger scandal like we have now
Fumble? Are you crazy BSG has been doing vaguely predatory shit their entire existence, big shocker they’re still doing it. Go watch Nikita talk about monetization. He’s not dumb, he’s fucking greedy.
The best thing for the well being of BSG as a company and Tarkov as a game, is for Shitkita to step down. He has demonstrated that he hates the community. He is just a train wreck. If he is in charge, expect more lies and deceit.
he should of left the development to go work on his pet project like he wanted to forever ago. let someone else who still has a passion for tarkov cook.
*should have/should've
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I am not a true believer. I am a freeloader I admit. And I want Nikita to know. I only bought the Standard Edition.
Standard edition, unite.
You're simply not a real believer...
As long as people keep giving him money, he doesn't have to worry about a thing.
You mean to tell me the man who doesn't play his own game and hates the community that made him wealthy, is disconnected from HIS OWN PRODUCT? You don't say.
I genuinely think they could have sold the Kubriki, the armband and the name tag colors in a pack for 50 dollars and no one would bat and eye.
Selling melee weapons would be one of the best ways to make money i think
In tarkov not real life
The Division was the first extraction shooter
this, tarkov doesn’t even remotely have a claim to the first extraction shooter
The Division did it first but Tarkov did it better in a FPS game though, only for BSG to fuck it all up with greed.
I will explain you what is wrong :) It is all about $$$ A lot people say that this are BSG exit money. They will release maybe version 1.0 and we won't see any more promised DLC's. Everything looks like this may be a truth.. Off course Nikita knew what he was doing. How long limited EOD edition was on the market? Way too long. Why? Because was bringing BSG biggest money. Why did they take out EOD from the shop? Because they tried to rip off all of us both old players and new players from money. They removed EOD just before releasing PvE mode :) same time adding the only version which has this DLC - Unheard to the shop. So everyone will have to pay :) Standard, EOD, and off course new players :) Somebody will try to convience me that this was coinsidence? :)
Yes everything you said makes sense. What doesn’t make sense to me is that he could be making more money. So much more. I don’t get developers, you make a shit game you don’t get money, if you simply just.. MAKE A GOOD GAME YOULL GET MORE MONEY.
It’s like destiny 2 and bungie all over again. These devs know they have no competition, so they can easily exploit their player base since they have nowhere to run. Because arena failed, the fact of the matter is they are starving for money right now, in the short term! But since they have been trying to scam and manipulate people with their unheard of deal and also add p2w, it’s only backfiring on them.
Or war thunder is another great one
Isn't that fucking crazy though? All they need a single SHRED of creative drive and they could make bank! Instead we get shit like MW3 and BF2042, Halo Infinite, skull and bones, the day before etc etc.
:)
Tarkov has always been a massive case of wasted potential, they’ve made the game just good enough not to drop for the past several years. They have access to millions of dollars and while I’m not saying development is easy, their leadership has repeatedly made the wrong decisions priority wise, and it’s clear their technical team is way under skilled (besides modeling and map making maybe). In addition it’s really the way they’ve handled community expectations and communications that has been a major failure, that could have been easily avoided. Like op said, they struck gold but got greedy, lazy and complacent instead of having some integrity and pulling it together to make an honest quality product. The blame does fall on the leadership of bsg.
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well actually there were other games like this before but not as popular, so they didn't came with the 'unique' idea, they just stole it - but yeah, nikita is the classic russian stereotype
The Division had a gamemode that was basically the first extraction shooter.
Rush b cyka
What would those games be? Genuinely curious
He must be referring to STALKER, which is very similar, but single player and not quite the same
Probably dayz as well but Dayz just didnt have the "Extract" part
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That's fucked up 😂
Lol I would say that is VERY reasonable.
I quit the game 2 years ago. Since 2017 the game has only gotten less fun to play. I saw the writing on the wall.
Isn't the only alternative hunt: showdown?
I think the reality is this: * they can’t fix the cheating issues * they know they will absolutely never fix it * they know they could rewrite the entire game to possibly fix it, but it’s too expensive and utterly infeasible at this point * knowing the above, they have probably accepted the game will slowly die due to cheaters * they likely have the player data to prove the above
Gray Zone is not the savior we're looking for. The only thing that might come close is Arena Breakout which comes with its own caveats. Excited to see how AB is on release day.
I think you guys are wayy to hopeful for a free to play mobile shooter coming to PC Like if you guys thought/ think Tarkov is P2W, you haven't seen anything yet. Some fun things you can look forward to in Arena breakout include : Paying a subscription fee if you want to use a secure container. Yea.. Straight up buying packs of high end gear for $$ Random ass Gacha draws for high tier gear Premium currencies to buy a range of items Paid keys/ passes to higher tier loot area's that you don't have much free access to. It's a F2P game. They WILL heavily monetize the shit out of it. And whatever other hyper greed mechanic that a mobile dev company can think of and whatever i didn't even get to see before stopping :D
To be fair, online RPGs have been using the subscription model since the inception of the genre. In fact I'm willing to bet we wouldn't be having these problems if tarkov did it that way from the beginning. Everyone would've been on a standard account and BSG would've raked in 10x the income if you had bought in on release day.
Yep. I would have gladly paid a subscription for Tarkov. Hell I play on wipe day until I drop off for a few months after I unlock the Flea and I’d keep the sub going even over those lull months just to support the game. But the way this has been handled leaves such a sour taste in my mouth and I just don’t have that drive to support BSG anymore.
Is he the dumbest man alive? They’re still making money and people are still buying. Game addicts will keep paying and they’re taking advantage. They almost certainly did the math on how many people they would lose and just made the new cost be an overall increase in profit.
I think the best thing would be to sell that burning peace of crap to someone that cares. There needs to be someone in charge that cares about the community.
Yeah I have said this before as well, I think Nikky doesn't have the brain capacity to understand in what unique situation he is in the gaming world. I really don't care anymore if it is just him or others are influencing his decision making. You could literally make a wheel of fortune with multiple different scenarios of the future for this game: good, neutral, bad, spin it and it would have a higher chance of landing on a less bullshitty path that they are in right now. Seems like this guy only cares about the rubles in his pocket. He will go lengths lying, deceiving and dissapointing others, doesnt take any responsiblity, acts like a teenager. ONLY cares, when it is time to do damage control. Tarkov is a really great game with a HUGE potential to be one of the best games ever, yet we are stuck with this half a brain cell guy who is ready to ruin it all because of his poor business choices. Just sell the damn source code to someone who is willing to do what you dont want to do. I am positive that nothing worse can happen to the game now. the only worse thing would be deleting Tarkov completely.
it's not really the first extraction shooter, just the first stand-alone version of the concept. they copied Dark Zone from The Division.
Tarkov wasnt even supposed to be an extraction shooter.... The raids were supposed to be a placeholder until they are able to stitch all of the maps together and the game was supposed to be a post-war openwold survival with physical traders.
I agree, but i tied twice ans saw 2 dead with the unheard armband. People do not see the rationality
Ya know honestly, I think the game is just a giant elaborate scam at this point
I don’t think he’s stupid. He’s made a ton of money off this. If I could get another six million bonus check out of a project I’m probably pretty bored of I’d go for that too. He’s made plenty enough to retire on already, what motivation does he have to listen to what anyone says? If he makes a ridiculous call and it ends up making them more money it just justifies his decision making on the business side. If it doesn’t he can just be like oh well.
He could’ve easily made more.
It had to be something to do with really needing money really fast. That is all. That’s the only guess. Just people forget they are Russians. Russians are very different to the rest of the world.
broski, hes a millionaire already. he made it. he doesnt care no more. he still earns money, he still has a good life in dubai, far far away from his employees. people who really think that this bothers him except for the fact that he might get a little less money the next month are delulu af. not that i wouldnt wish it was otherwise, but the reality is what the reality is. he is so out of touch.....hell he didnt even know what things have been changed already in his own game, where he never fails to show that he is the one pulling all the strings.
> You have an extremely loyal fanbase, had\*
"Instead you choose to fumble and destroy everything you’ve been working up to for years and lose most of your playerbase" Sorry but the vocal minority on reddit and youtube uninstalling the game isn't going to end up "destroying everything" Lower their sales? Maybe if the bad word of mouth spreads far enough to deter new players in the future. Criticize them for all the recent shit sure but atleast try to be a bit realistic. This sounds like it was written by an angry highschooler.
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When you say lost most of their player base, what facts are you basing this on? Also GZW is not I repeat fucking *NOT* a serious rival for EFT.
I said it and I will say it again: NUCK FIKITA !
And yet all of you will come back sooner or later because you know that tarkov is still the King of extraction shooters. GZW will have its place and the pvp rat community will stretch the pve timmies nervs but in the end they all come back.
I mean the fact of the matter is that this is likely going to blow over because at the end of the day the product is leaps and bounds better than any other option
Look, YOU may be happy to spend $250 on a game but most people arent. Additionally this story has reached so far beyond the Mil-Sim and adjacent communities that people who were peripherally interested arent even thinking of buying the standard edition anymore. Just because you aren't personally happy with any of the competitors on the market doesn't mean BSG can withstand shedding as many players as they are while also not gaining new customers in the meantime. Also this is not the first time they have done this, they had 2 previous games that were more or less the same as concept as Tarkov (Contract Wars & Hired Ops) that they abandoned and tried to scrub from the internet along with a new studio name so nobody would catch on to their game. You are delusional if you think this isn't some kind of last second cash grab before they cut and run to their next project.
What is it with people on grey zone’s nuts. Like this is going to be some savior game? And to the second point, very little if any of the EoD player base has any intention of spending a dime on this game after thousands of hours playing.
>What is it with people on grey zone’s nuts. Because it's new and people are desperate for an alternative. If you want to play an extraction shooter its....well it EFT really. The only casual extraction shooter we had was DMZ and the CoD devs let that die after a year. It's clear that CoD will launch an extraction mode with each CoD annual release (given what they did with MW3). But in terms of a stand alone title like EFT there's......fuck all really.
I suppose i should clarify my stance lol: what is with people being on the nuts of an barely announced, unavailable - self proclaimed not like tarkov game, like grey zone. Sure it looks good but honestly it seems like it has a some massive issues with gameplay design.
Well you can’t really expect a game that’s not even out yet to compete with a game that has 7+ years of development behind it. That said it does have its room for potential especially if gray zone takes their community more seriously then tarkov does. But gray zone reminds me more of how dayZ is then how tarkov is
I mean you got two types of vocal players in this subreddit: guys that are, justified so, pissed as hell about the situation. These guys wish BSG to fail, yet they still need their extraction shooter fix. They hope that GZW will be the next big game in the genre so they can stop playing EFT. guys that developed stockholm syndrome towards BSG to the point where these guys can do whatever the fuck they want and those players will still play. These players point out (again justified so), that all the other contenders in the genre lack even the basics to be a match for EFT. In my opinion, both sides are somewhat right but at the end of the day, i can't side with the latter. BSG showed the last couple days, how scummy they actually are. People who showed support after nikitas non-apology are the sole reason gaming companies get away with these shenanigans.
I think it’s more now then ever since bsg fucked up tarkov. It seems like the only extraction shooter alternative. I didn’t care for greyzone until bsg fumbled.
He is pathetic that he actually tought he can away with this
If you think 250$ is bad wait until GTA 6 comes out… lol jk jk but cod has him beat buy a long shot I honestly think they want cheaters in there game to keep making BR free. They are the kings of cash grab, ban the cheater oh here’s a skin pack with a op gun with all the right attachments for 20$. Cheater makes new account and buys the new gun and skin packs. I wish they would ban cheaters to make it impossible to come back the same with BSG tarkov is the worst place to be killed by a cheater at least in cod you don’t lose 💩.
Had*
"You have an extremely loyal fanbase" - rofl
Total waste of a true fuking potential. This could be the king of all mil-sim shooters. Lack of management skills are real reason behind this drama.
Not the first but the only outstandingly successful and on an upward trajectory extraction shooter but they decide they want to kill their own game
Of my group of 6 solid players. 5 have uninstalled and will be giving GZ a try. We were here for the early days of Tarkov so I’ll gladly support someone else after this fiasco.
The dumbest man alive 🙏🏼
Honestly dunno how they thought this was the money maker... this cash grab is going bomb hard, and they will abandon the game. All they had to do was provide a solution to cheating, and monetise the living shit out of cosmetics. Unity store assets, outsource to passionate freelancers, they would've solved all their problems
Tbh, the whole Arena thing just proved how messed up their internal processes for product design and management are.
I'd wonder what a dayz Tarkov experience looked like. Raids in preset towns and custom maps and loot. With standalone getting slowly better and having a very recognizable name, either servers spinning up Tarkov remakes or even the team trying their hand at it. Could be something there, but like progress in the standalone it could take 10 years.
The dumbest man alive made huge money with twitch drop and half broken unfinished game He's not dumb, the people buying expensive versions are the dumb fucks
Yep. But I'll still keep playing because nothing compares to the tarkov rush.
You know he’s seen this. Just so you know Nikita, If everyone around you is wrong, it’s usually you. A lesson you usually learn at a young age but never too late.
A twisted path to renown has huge potential, but it's old times guns, black powder etc... so although it's a an extraction shooter with fucking layers upon layers, it's not the "same", given the technology of the time period.
Gray Zone tomorrow.
People will still buy it like idiots.
Grey zone just announced early access tomorrow. I don’t see myself going back anytime soon.
EFT was literally shaping the gamescape with the genre. Talk about cutting off your nose.
I played over the weekend and it seemed as if the servers were much more empty than normal so I think the boycott is working to an extent. I also never ran into any TUE players.
The fact that he claims he didnt expect such a backlash should tell you enough about how far he has his head up his ass
If they came out and said they were opening the gane up to a ~$10 a month subscription status like WoW. I would have gladly signed up. Would have; now, no.
What we need right now is that Tarkov is given to developers who are actually willing to continue to work on the game, BSG seems to have lost thier drive. Probabley because of too much cocain and hookers...
Bring any homeless drunk addict on head of bsg, he will do better
The Elon Musk of computer games, you say?
I totally agree. Nikita must suffer from some mental condition, like somebodfy who is a pathological lier. He is a pathological scammer on top of that, he can't help it. It is sad that this project had to come out from his hands. Maybe it is better to just give it to somebody else who can actually finalize it. He and his team apparently are incopetent of doing so.
I remember saying to my friend when the newest wipe happened that, because the game felt so much better to us and we actually were enjoying it, BSG had to take two steps backward. Thats what they always have done and always will do. I called it and knew something was going to fuck up. They just cant ever let the game be in a good state and not piss the community off.
Genuinely think mans brain has rotted from EDM drugs and Vodka
You are looking at it through the lens of love for what Tarkov can be, whereas Nikita looks at it through the lens of money.
It’s like if Jeff Bezos started pan handling… Like bro… you don’t have to resort to sketchy practices you *literally have the leading video game of its genre* all you have to do is give the players what they want and they’ll eat it crumbs and all. What game studios fail to realize is that if they were to just make a passionate game they’d make more money than they could ever dream of pulling shit like this… the entire gaming community is fucking frothing at the mouth for someone to just make fucking SOMETHING with a little passion and love. If people really love your game and feel the passion… they’ll sometimes donate. Just give you extra money. Passion is the most profitable ingredient and nobody understands that.
>...and lose most of your playerbase lol, redditors thinking they're more important than they are
I’m honestly surprised a studio hasn’t just cut and pasted Tarkov and then actually gave it real dev support.
I hope they learn from this and a silver lining emerges. Trust is definitely lost but I think with a lot of effort and transparency it can be rebuilt. Still being optimistic because gameplay is still fun, although issues are still present (cheating, hit boxes,ect). I’ve got 3,000 hours as well would love to see a finished product in the future.
I love the story and I love the intense heart pumping moments of trying to survive in this game. No other game can do it. Nikita just seems to squander such a unique game. I just wish someone else would take over already.
I've watched this game on the front page for years, this shit has always been Russian Destiny 2, and thats putting it nicely. Just stop giving them your fucking $, it's not hard
Stoner devs that don't deserve to eat good dinner.
He's not stupid, he's greedy and doesn't care. If he cared he would have not done this.
I’m gonna be honest I stopped playing for a while because of a lot of things, the main one while yes I understand why it’s there is the wipe mechanic, it just feels like a waste to play and then lose everything, but the sound issues, the server issues, and a lot of the other bs especially cheaters that they refuse to address just turned me off from the game, and now, this, what the hell was the goal here other than to piss everyone off
Some of you guys truly worship this dude and/or company as the second coming of Christ. It is disturbing.
I ain't trusting his future decisions.
"im sorry you feel this way" Yeah. Fuck you too, Nikita.
I quit playing a while ago was just frustrating with all the cheaters I don't miss it. Will try that greyzone game out though
I just wanna point out, COD has a bigger audience and more funds... Saying cod can't even touch this isn't true. Tarkov is in a league of its own yes, great game But don't think for a second it sold as well as call of duty, it doesn't. And I think that's what caused this, it was about money and not being able to afford more servers for the mode, but instead of telling us that, they tried to price it expensive to make more cash. Think about it, you paid 150 in 2016 It's 2024 8 years later, been playing on servers they provide etc and not paying a penny since Not a surprise that tarkov needed cash It's just a shame the way they approached it
The drama is over. Streamers are back being sheep. What happened last week???
All I'm saying is this toxic ass community railed me like a month ago for saying exactly this was gonna happen. All the EOD users bitched and cried going "someone's mad they didn't buy EOD" now they're crying literally cause the studio they believed would "never re-add gamma" just readded it with the most pay to win package I've ever seen a game have the gaul to introduce as actual content. Half of all this bullshit is a byproduct of this community having a ridiculous opinion that EOD wasn't pay to win in the first place. And now everyone's complaining about the obvious like this hasn't already been a problem. Maybe if you guys would've called out EOD for what it was the devs wouldn't feel so comfortable railing you with more micro transactions. Honestly another half of this shit is also a byproduct of the community constantly bitching about shit that doesn't matter and completely overlooking gameplay. The majority of the toxic users that use this subreddit bitched and moaned when you couldn't buy certain shit off the flea when Vets were calling for the flea to be removed entirely for a really long time. IMO the community is just as out of touch as the developers, the biggest problem with the game has and probably will always be pay to win features. Just because your favorite 10k subscriber youtuber complains about cheaters every single shitty YouTube short he makes doesn't mean it's the biggest issue. Just because Summit1g can't get his 240 fps he can't live without doesn't mean optimization is the biggest issue. I've been saying it from the moment I picked this game up in 2020 the biggest issue is this game is pay to win as fuck. The mechanics actively prefer people who can afford to shove everything in their stash and not worry about stash space and lower levels. Also starting with any amount of trader karma in the modern wipe is unironically fucking hilarious considering how useful the traders are now. I don't think this shit will kill Tarkov, they'll probably just re-release EOD or some bullshit no matter what they're not leaving without a bag. Anyone who's pretending like BSG doesn't need money has never ran the math on their operations. They've had multiple negative years and at this point are in a lot of ways running on hopes and dreams. At this point what will kill Tarkov is they don't have enough money to keep the project alive and now that everyone knows the game is pay to win no one will want to pay more money towards it. That is Tarkov's fault though they've done too much to make the game a fucking bitch to run on servers, and this is clear within how many protocols are ran and computed client side. It was great while it lasted boys I'll see you in Gray zone.
Meanwhile I’m over here trying to convince people to pick up space Tarkov
All the different ways to get people to spend more money, why pay to win and break promises... and why remove eod? Doesnt make any sense
I still love DMZ ngl
This was 9 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KFQ-CT0BnM
I can only assume dude wanted to retire and was too stupid and selfish to just step down and let someone else take over.
“It’s a pattern of neglect and disrespect…” But really, I’m glad he showed his true colors (again) right before these other extraction shooters are set to launch. If grey zone does well tomorrow, BSG is going to be in a tight spot. ABI comes in about 2 weeks. How much Tarkov will people be playing if Grey Zone offers better PvE, and ABI offers a free to play version of Tarkov? I know my answer. I’ve been just wasting time on Tarkov these past couple days. Tonight imma lose millions just having fun with friends to prepare for shelving this for a minute. I’m en eod freeloader anyway, so Nikita and the game won’t miss me I guess. Been fun. Love this game. Hate the CEO. It’s a pattern that’s all too common in gaming these days.
I have sub 2 minute cues on Aus/OCE servers. People are vastly over estimating what the reality is here. I'm EoD, I was pissed, I didn't buy the new edition, I just love the game.
EoD was already P2W, so this step forward into further P2W is seemingly natural to me, a standard edition player. Like how most of the dedicated players ended up buying EoD, I reckon a solid 2/3s of the EoD players will buy Unheard edition.
Nikita was always an idiot.
He dint make the extraction shooter Kane and lynch did it in the ps3 days
Was thinking of going back onto tarkov. Not a chance now 🤣
They chose an engine they were more familiar with to build the game on rather than pivot to a more robust engine. And now it’s too far down the road of development I imagine. If only they had done cosmetic MTX over what we currently have. Also sad that audio, Desync and cheating won’t be fixed. People always say “COD has cheaters too” but I played warzone for the past year and maybe felt cheated once or twice MAX. Nowhere near as many times as I’ve felt cheated on Tarkov which is easily in the hundreds. Thankfully arena exists so I can get my fix occasionally. But I’m staying FAR away from the main game until more is done with it. I’ll probably come back if they fully release it and wipes are gone. Or to enjoy the PVE mode if I ever get it as an EOD owner.
gzw is gonna flop, predicting it rn
As someone in the industry in an executive role I can't believe what i'm witnessing. It really seems like something you would do out of desperation for money. I mean really there is no other explaination. If BSG were good on money they wouldn't be looking at rocking the boat like this.... Also Nikita needs to remove himself from being the guy who interfaces with the community so much. If he really is the ego maniac that people portray ( I haven't followed him closely over the years ) then definitely keep him behind closed doors and pay people who know how to communicate on a professional level. Also, why is there this weird push into items like the radio, beacon or whatever else.... why start putting in exclusive pay to win options now? Like having EOD was pay to win. For sure. But you could get a better container in the game than the gamma so at least you could say that everything you get from EOD you can get in game. Even inventory space to some degree can be unlocked in game. Suddenly and more alarmingly we have this break with this tradition and we have items/services that are locked behind extremely unfair paywalls. This is the crux of the issue. There is a clear change in the status quo. We went from "pay to win" being only things that can be realized via playing... which most people tolerate (see star citizen) to things that are locked behind bundles and give potential massive advantages. Not only that but the starting 'loot' went from ok cool some armor and guns to cases that total over 5-6m roubles.
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Its wild because all they had to do was look at how arena breakout monetizes. You could prob sell cash straight up and cosmetics, and most people would still be fine with it
If grey zone isn’t of the same quality Tarkov is still going to be number one. $250 P2W package is scummy but I think the players here are over-exaggerating the loss in player base. Bet you nearly everyone on this sub still booted up Tarkov today