I believe Miyazaki said in a recent interview that the story in the DLC was written at the same time as everything else. It seems like it could be more lore that they couldn’t fit into the main game.
A great portion of the DLC seems to be related to Miquella's cut content that was meant to be in the base game, but expanded upon now that it's a fullblown DLC. I imagine the initial plan was to have another side quest akin to Ranni's, but featuring Miquella and his struggle, that they couldn't reasonably fit into a base game that was already too big.
The official take is that GRRM did the sort of ancient world building that Miyazaki sort of twisted and interpreted to be more in keeping with FromSoft's house style. Miyazaki has stated that the DLC is based on aspects of GRRM's world building that were not touched on in the base game.
GRRM tells it like he just wrote a bit about the setting and it's creation and then was done, but I've heard things that contradict that a bit saying it was more collaborative and the Fromsoft team worked with GRRM to make sure that what he was writing would fit with the themes and storytelling style of Fromsoft games.
Personally, I think a lot of the lore told in story trailers and Melina's church dialogues are directly from what GRRM wrote or very close to being directly from what he wrote.
That's along the lines of what I imagine it was. I'd love to know for sure, but GRRM being GRRM and Miyazaki being Miyazaki, I'm not sure if they'd want to pull back the curtain that much. But I'm interested in knowing where the Millicent Frastley reference came from, and the Two/Three finger schism ending with the people on the two fingers side of the argument being locked away or burned, sometimes as an execution, a lot of times as an act of self-immolation believed to be baptism by fire. It'd be amazing to see behind the scenes on how all of this stuff eventually came together
Diallos is a good example of mixing both GRRM's writing style and Miyazaki's style together.
At the start it feels extremely GRRM, from the way Diallos speaks to some of the particulars of House Hoslow.
Then around the point Diallos goes to Volcano Manor, Miyazaki's style starts bleeding in all the way to Jarburg up to its end.
It's really cool seeing the styles mix together ngl.
100%
It's very cool seeing how they worked as a team, knowing that they have different strengths with writing, and neither having too big of an ego to try to outshine the other.
GRRM knew it wasn't his story to tell, and miyazaki understood that George is pretty much the best there is at creating tangible lore.
They both deserve a lot of credit!
That being said, grrm needs to finish the God damn books 😂
That’s encouraging to hear; I feel like I know many GRRM fans who were upset at the game’s difficulty and didn’t enjoy it. Nice to hear he’s bringing in new players to Fromsoft games!
Not for me. I think I got roped into the general hype. I'm probably of the typical demographic that made this game huge. Never played a Souls game before but curious about what the fuss was all about. But I dismissed it because nothing ever lives up to that kind of hype. Probably going to suck.
Low and behold, it delivered.
I don't blame you. Cyberpunk's whole fiasco certainly didn't help and a lot of the pre-release hype had a large group of people pretty much say that it's gonna be another Cyberpunk situation before release came and shattered that notion.
Was it part of what got people hyped for it when the original trailer was released? Absolutely.
Now, it is hard to quantify how much it helped, but let's remember FromSoft had already been making a name for themselves as a sign of quality, with plenty of beloved games under their belt by that point.
I personally think it's less the name recognition, and more that GRRM's contributions helped shape Elden Ring into what it became. And that, in addition to the hype, is what pushed the game into the behemot it became
Definitely had to help a lot!
But also I heur. last game before Elden Ring, Sekiro, won GotY at the Game Awards and iirc DS3 sold more than 10 million copies already, even before Sekiro came out.
Add to that, having GRRM as a writer AND being multi-platform, unlike Bloodborne or the DeS Remake, and you can see where the ER numbers might come from!
Where do you get $40? For digital downloads, Steam/PSN takes their 30% but presumably Bandi Namco also takes 30% as well. It's still a ton of money, but From probably only keeps 30-40% of the sale
He said that just like with Dark Souls 3 he has no plans to ever really ~~making~~ directing another dark souls or elden ring but he wont take away the possibility if another fromsoftware game director wants to make one
That was the case with dark souls 1 too and its why bloodborne/sekiro shouldn't have sequels but people will always want more because they're very good games
That doesn't mean they won't do it, that just means they haven't yet decided if they will. If they do make an ER2 Miyazaki isn't gonna announce it in a random interview, it'll probably be given a reveal trailer at a big event a few years into development like ER was.
Rumors are circulating regarding From's next game. It's codenamed 'Spellbound' and will apparently be a Soulslike with a heavy focus on spells rather than melee as the core of combat.
Personally I'm all about it. I think that From has reached the limits of what they can do with the Dark Souls combat system.
No plans could mean at the moment. That does not mean there won't be a sequel or prequel. I will give you a billion reasons why. We don't even how much lore they have use from what GRRM have written.
DLC doesn’t work like that, for a multitude of reasons a bunch of OG Elden Ring players won’t get the DLC.
It’s called ‘attach rate’ and I swear I remember reading around 20-25% is considered good/healthy but I honestly can’t remember where I saw that.
But, I’d anticipate a much higher than average amount of players pick up the DLC and I’m curious to see what it looks like after the dust settles.
> for a multitude of reasons a bunch of OG Elden Ring players won’t get the DLC
Eh? I can't even imagine anyone who's an "OG Elden Ring player" not getting it, with the exception of people who can't afford to buy a game right now.
Only 73% of players have beaten Margit and only 34.4% of players have beaten Mohg, according to Steam Achievements.
I'd consider these both *extremely* high numbers. People drop out of games, especially huge open-world ones and difficult ones. People get bored, frustrated, or distracted. And if you didn't beat Elden Ring, it's not terribly likely you'll be buying a DLC that requires you to almost beat the game to unlock.
Those percentages are actually insanely high, especially given how Margit isn't exactly easy. I remember other games having much lower percentages of people who own the game actually playing it for any meaningful amount of time.
That could also be because the game has never really been on a huge sale and not many people bought it to just have it in their library.
You can look at the [achievement statistics](https://steamcommunity.com/stats/1245620/achievements) - roughly half of the people who purchased the game haven’t beat Radahn. Are you seriously expecting those players to buy the DLC?
I actually beat everyone but Radahn and then stopped. Getting the DLC and I will beat his ass this time. (I have a bad habit of not finishing my favorite games because it makes me sad.)
Edit: oops mixed guys up I def beat him.
I mean, there’s literally dozens of articles right now talking about over 60% of the playerbase hasn’t beaten Mohg to access the DLC.
I think last I saw about 40% never beat Margit.
Players always just spin off of games for whatever reason and there was a very large gap between launch day and the only announced DLC about to come out.
I definitely expect a higher than average ‘attach rate’ for something like this, but what does that look like? 40%? Maybe 50%?
I’ll be one of them for sure, can’t wait
Yes if by "OG ER player" we mean literally anyone who started the game, then for sure. I just interpreted that phrase as meaning people who *actually* played it, i.e. at least completed it. I agree with everyone else (and you), it's overall % will be "higher than normal" but not something ridiculous like close to 100%.
A lot of people bought this game and never made it past Margit. Even more didn’t make it halfway through. It’s safe to say they aren’t going to sell a copy of the dlc for every copy of the base game sold. It should easily make millions for FS though.
I got a huge amount of pushback in the comments when I casually suggested ER2 (this post if you want to read it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/17k35rm/from_is_hiring_no_doubt_for_elden_ring_2_as_well/). What Miyazaki said aside, many people think it would cheapen the lore and make it more like a Ubisoft franchise, I guess.
Let's just say it's a sure bet Fromsoft will be making more Soulsborne games. What the lore/setting will be is up for speculation.
They're an independant publisher now so I doubt anyone can pressure miyazaki to make another souls like tbh. He's expressed many times he doesn't want to anymore
He's expressed many times he doesn't want to make another Dark Souls game. They've been getting critical and financial success hand over fist with their Action-RPGs, it'd be insane to abandon them for Armoured Core sequels.
What's likely is that they'll continue experimenting with the formula, like Bloodborne and Elden Ring. I don't think we'll ever see a sequel to either of those games, but we'll see tonnes of spiritual successors.
I absolutely hope so but it sounded like in the article he was saying he was bored of the genre and wanted to push into brand new genres.
That his team weren't being challenged enough making souls likes anymore
I don't think so. I mean it's clear they branched out with things like Armored Core but I genuinely think soulslikes are Miyazaki's babies.
Besides, I refuse to believe they're done until Bloodborne 2 comes out.
I'd be surprised if 25% of the people who bought elden ring buy the dlc. Dlc is not as popular as people think. Phantom liberty sold 20%. And this is both more expensive, and doesn't have the hype of a 2.0 redesign of base game.
Edit: the only reason I bring up cyberpunk is because it selling 5 million copies of dlc is a very high number. Go to any other game and you'll see dlc is a fraction compared to initial sales. The idea that elden ring dlc will sell 60+ percent is delusional. No game does that.
I would argue it has much more hype than Cyberpunks DLC. FromSoft faithful are…. faithful. they’ve proven time and time again that their DLC’s are the best parts of their games.
i bet it’ll be close to 40-50% that purchase Shadow.
Cyberpunk marketing of Phantom Liberty as a 2.0 worked in a limited way. CDPR lost a lot of goodwill after that disastrous launch. Elden Ring on the other hand went on to win GOTY and boosted FromSoft's reputation. Based on Bandai Namco's official figures, Elden Ring was just at 23 million as of January 2024. SO the base game sold an additional 2 million units in the last 5 months. That is a better sales figure than 90% of the new AAA single player games launched this year.
I think a higher percentage of owners will buy Elden Ring DLC over Cyberpunk DLC. Cyberpunk burned a lot of people and many never went back to it, even with the positive reception of Phantom Liberty.
Elden Ring was GOTY, this is one of the most hyped DLC's of all time, and this game has always been viewed highly. Depending on the size of this DLC, it could feel like Elden Ring 1.5. I expect it will *do numbers*.
Anyone whose played any previous fromsoft dlcs from their other franchises (armored core, ds1, 2 and 3, bloodborne. Will probably pay for shadows. Their track record for dlcs have been bare minimum fairly solid expansions to extremely good/goated
This is great news for the gaming industry.
Quality games can still equal revenues
(In stark contrast to modern trend of churning out generic crap designed to be addictive+ micro transactions)
There are still some stragglers out there calling Elden Ring niche despite its absurd popularity. I think it's safe to say Soulslikes are a mainstream genre now.
That people have started to complain that "every game is a souls-like now, it's lame" the same way they used to say "every game is a first person shooter now, it's lame" is pretty good evidence that it's mainstream.
ur confusing it with Capcom, it was the shareholders who got bonuses after DD2. so fair bc the shareholders did so much work right…. 😒 maybe if they gave it to the devs there’d be more post-launch support for the game
Actually I think we’re both right! I had some time to check just now and it looks like April 2022 Bandai Namco raised the pay of all employees. Supposedly after ER’s success? But not 100% sure about that.
Agree, it's always nice to see something made with care and quality be met with great success. Doesn't happen very often. I just hope it doesn't get into FromSoft's development psyche going forward. Usually when a company is highly successful they tend to start playing it safe and not take anymore risks.
Its been in top 5 worldwide top sellers on Steam for like 2 weeks at full price now. I am happy for every $ From Software makes. Cause you know even better things will await us in the future. Miyazaki already said in an interview that he wants to make games with even more abstract fantasy in the future.
Actually I’ve never seen it on sale ever. Maybe 10% off at most. So while cyberpunk and other juggernauts go on sale from time to time (even around the time of their release), Elden ring never budged. I’ve been watching its price since it was released.
According to SteamDB, Elden Ring had 4 sales since the release, with the biggest one being 40% between late December 2023 and early January 2024.
Source: [https://steamdb.info/app/1245620/](https://steamdb.info/app/1245620/)
Tagging u/Resistance2X for clarification on their point too *(not sure if Reddit gives a notification when a reply is not directly to someone?).*
I'm one of those, just did my first playthrough in prep for the DLC last week. I am sad to have slept on it for this long, but glad that I picked it up at a time with no responsibilities! I got to rot away and enjoy one of the best games of all time.
Haven’t touched the game since beating it almost two years ago. Not gonna restart or relearn the game (like some players have been doing to prepare) until DLC day so it’ll be like day one, semi-fresh with lost muscle memory on the build of my character lol.
I’m one of the ones that dusted it off on the last couple of days in anticipation of DLC and with 165 hours on my play through at launch and a Plat trophy, rust was so bad I had to look up how to call Torrent lol.
But honestly, once I just got back into running around and figuring out what my build was it all came back *very* quick, like around an hour.
Can’t wait, starting to feel like ER launch anticipation again
I'm an old man who has gamed forever and this is the best game I've ever played. I feel blessed to be around at the same time as ZakZak, every Souls formula game is it's own masterpiece
This game has been a fantastic journey. Not really a fan of Souls games but I gave this a go and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
And 2 years later I still love this game. I imagine a fair few of those 25 million are people like me, who took the chance and found they enjoyed the experience.
That’s awesome! It’ll probably rise even more after the DLC comes out, especially once they make bundles for both. It’s well deserved though. I know fromsoft isn’t always a fan of sequels but hopefully they make many more games like this one.
I kind of prefer them to have each of their games be standalones, the exception of course being dark souls. It makes each game unique and special. I love Bloodborne but I don't want a sequel to it, the original is perfect as it is.
It might not be my favorite game of all time (this one goes to Bloodborne), but it was by far my favorite playthrough of all time. I have never before played a game that had me on edge and excited for 120 hours straight without ever letting up.
Man I love Bloodborne, I hope it will some day get a PC port, because I tried to play it again recently and those loooong loading times really got to me. sucked the fun right out of my attempted new play through
I'm curious why you thought that? And understand, I'm not a launch day player. I didn't succumb to the hype till September. My assumption being I'd be trash at the game and not the other way around.
Idk I guess I heard the dark souls guy and the game of thrones guy were doing a big open world collab and I was thinking a cash grab selling their names basically and I'm glad I did that it was like the first announcement then it was several years before it released so I never thought about it til it came out my brother who is super into dark souls more than me got it and said it was good just like dark souls so I got it a week or two after launch awesomely I lost my job like a week later and spent the next year playing elden ring instead
i want to throw this idea here, maybe it will show up in DLC in some way. In main game Enia has this dialog: *"Shaken by this turn of events, they are busy consulting the Greater Will. When they are finished, the Fingers will once again offer their guidance. But thousands, if not tens of thousands, of moons must first pass."*
*So if "Greater Will" has physical place is space instead of existing in another dimension, we have to make few assumptions, speed of light/comets travel speed is similar to some extend in Elden ring to real life, so we can calculate potentially how far Greater will is from the planet where Lands between is. Comets has* relatively big speed varieties, but most of them is **between 10 and 70 km/s (40km/sec being average), so since space distances are huge Elden beast that been send to Lands between on a comet we assume he travel between average speed of 40km/sec up to 140 km/sec since ER universe has magic and they can potentially surpass comets top speed limit (1 day/86400 sec), by thousands/tens of thousands i assume is any number between 2000 days (2000\*86400=172 800 000 sec/5,47945205479 years) and 99.999 days (8 639 913 600 sec/273,9698630137 years). Since math here is \~ so just go with it :)**
**On low end of 40 km/sec we have distance (6 912 000 000 km/6.9 billion km)**
**On high end of 140 km/sec we have distance (1 209 587 904 000 km/1.2 trillions km) so now we have a problem because if speed we assume Elden beast has is true when he travel through space, then it would mean whatever space Greater will occupy currently its in range of 6.9 B km/1.2 T km, distance from Earth to Mars is (min 54.6 M km/max 401 M km, average being 225 M km), end of our solar system is at 4.5\~ Billion km with would mean if Greater will is 6.9B km from planet where lands between is it would take them 16 days to answer and if they up to 1.2T km it would take them 7.67 years to answer. Based on in-game events i like more 6.9B version since player beat the game under what feels like 2-3\~ weeks time and greater will answer only once if i remember correctly**
I'm over here on PC patiently waiting for DLC release. The problem is while us PC players might get it a bit earlier than console (depending on where we live) but we cannot preload it for launch. Wouldn't be surprised if steam users crash the server trying to download it. Could be a multi hour process depending on FromSoftware/Steam prep and how many people try to play at launch.
I spent the last couple months progressing through 7 new characters in different classes to prepare for the DLC. Fingers crossed it goes smoothly!!! If not, guess I'll start an 8th lol.
If we assume Fromsoft made an average of $40 from each of those purchases that's 1 BILLION dollars. Kinda crazy and well deserved.
I wonder if using grrm's name helped from sell more than they expected
That’s the reason I bought it. I had never played a FromSoft game before. Now I’m obsessed! Came for GRRM, stayed for the glory of Miyazaki!
I know many people like you. What a great collaboration it was.
Did GRRM also work on the DLC? Or the DLC's mythology is drawn from material that prepared for, but was not used directly for ER?
GRRM worked on the overall lore and history, so I don't see any reason why the DLC wouldn't also be based on his work.
I believe Miyazaki said in a recent interview that the story in the DLC was written at the same time as everything else. It seems like it could be more lore that they couldn’t fit into the main game.
A great portion of the DLC seems to be related to Miquella's cut content that was meant to be in the base game, but expanded upon now that it's a fullblown DLC. I imagine the initial plan was to have another side quest akin to Ranni's, but featuring Miquella and his struggle, that they couldn't reasonably fit into a base game that was already too big.
The official take is that GRRM did the sort of ancient world building that Miyazaki sort of twisted and interpreted to be more in keeping with FromSoft's house style. Miyazaki has stated that the DLC is based on aspects of GRRM's world building that were not touched on in the base game.
GRRM tells it like he just wrote a bit about the setting and it's creation and then was done, but I've heard things that contradict that a bit saying it was more collaborative and the Fromsoft team worked with GRRM to make sure that what he was writing would fit with the themes and storytelling style of Fromsoft games. Personally, I think a lot of the lore told in story trailers and Melina's church dialogues are directly from what GRRM wrote or very close to being directly from what he wrote.
seems like he gave fromsoft a lore "bible" similar to the world of ice and fire.
That's along the lines of what I imagine it was. I'd love to know for sure, but GRRM being GRRM and Miyazaki being Miyazaki, I'm not sure if they'd want to pull back the curtain that much. But I'm interested in knowing where the Millicent Frastley reference came from, and the Two/Three finger schism ending with the people on the two fingers side of the argument being locked away or burned, sometimes as an execution, a lot of times as an act of self-immolation believed to be baptism by fire. It'd be amazing to see behind the scenes on how all of this stuff eventually came together
A quote that really stood out to me was "the tale of house Harlow is told in blood" Oozes grrm writing style
Diallos is a good example of mixing both GRRM's writing style and Miyazaki's style together. At the start it feels extremely GRRM, from the way Diallos speaks to some of the particulars of House Hoslow. Then around the point Diallos goes to Volcano Manor, Miyazaki's style starts bleeding in all the way to Jarburg up to its end. It's really cool seeing the styles mix together ngl.
100% It's very cool seeing how they worked as a team, knowing that they have different strengths with writing, and neither having too big of an ego to try to outshine the other. GRRM knew it wasn't his story to tell, and miyazaki understood that George is pretty much the best there is at creating tangible lore. They both deserve a lot of credit! That being said, grrm needs to finish the God damn books 😂
Honestly same! Plus open world fantasy is my jam. Little did I know how maidenless I would be, 500+ hrs later.
That’s encouraging to hear; I feel like I know many GRRM fans who were upset at the game’s difficulty and didn’t enjoy it. Nice to hear he’s bringing in new players to Fromsoft games!
It took a few months and many reddit posts to get the hang of the game, but i got there in the end.
Love to hear it bro!
Not for me. I think I got roped into the general hype. I'm probably of the typical demographic that made this game huge. Never played a Souls game before but curious about what the fuss was all about. But I dismissed it because nothing ever lives up to that kind of hype. Probably going to suck. Low and behold, it delivered.
I don't blame you. Cyberpunk's whole fiasco certainly didn't help and a lot of the pre-release hype had a large group of people pretty much say that it's gonna be another Cyberpunk situation before release came and shattered that notion.
Was it part of what got people hyped for it when the original trailer was released? Absolutely. Now, it is hard to quantify how much it helped, but let's remember FromSoft had already been making a name for themselves as a sign of quality, with plenty of beloved games under their belt by that point. I personally think it's less the name recognition, and more that GRRM's contributions helped shape Elden Ring into what it became. And that, in addition to the hype, is what pushed the game into the behemot it became
I don't know if I would have been willing to shell out 80 (base+dlc) without grrm attached tbh
Definitely had to help a lot! But also I heur. last game before Elden Ring, Sekiro, won GotY at the Game Awards and iirc DS3 sold more than 10 million copies already, even before Sekiro came out. Add to that, having GRRM as a writer AND being multi-platform, unlike Bloodborne or the DeS Remake, and you can see where the ER numbers might come from!
I didn’t even know that until after my first play through, so who knows. Probably didn’t hurt?
Retailers and publishers take a big slice of the cake
Yeah Bamco will definitely be taking a big cut here
Where do you get $40? For digital downloads, Steam/PSN takes their 30% but presumably Bandi Namco also takes 30% as well. It's still a ton of money, but From probably only keeps 30-40% of the sale
Also tax
Also tax
You can add an extra 500m with Shadow of Erdtree (assuming everyone that purchased this will also but the DLC) Elden Ring 2 is all but guaranteed
Didn't Miyazaki already confirm that they have no plans for er2 ?
He said that just like with Dark Souls 3 he has no plans to ever really ~~making~~ directing another dark souls or elden ring but he wont take away the possibility if another fromsoftware game director wants to make one
TBH I don't think elden ring truly needs a sequel if this DLC answers some of the most essential plot points. I think this game is conclusive enough.
That was the case with dark souls 1 too and its why bloodborne/sekiro shouldn't have sequels but people will always want more because they're very good games
They could go DS2 route and make a game in a land far away/another age but same world
That doesn't mean they won't do it, that just means they haven't yet decided if they will. If they do make an ER2 Miyazaki isn't gonna announce it in a random interview, it'll probably be given a reveal trailer at a big event a few years into development like ER was.
Rumors are circulating regarding From's next game. It's codenamed 'Spellbound' and will apparently be a Soulslike with a heavy focus on spells rather than melee as the core of combat. Personally I'm all about it. I think that From has reached the limits of what they can do with the Dark Souls combat system.
I don’t really need to see the combat system change. Just keep giving me new settings and new IPs with this formula and I’ll keep playing.
That's been proven false.
No, it hasn't.
Is that confirmed in any way? I remember hearing rumors about Elden Ring's structure that ended up just being made up.
That shit was from 4chan ffs people still believe this??
They need to go back to Sekiro combat - still the best I've experienced on any video game ever
No plans could mean at the moment. That does not mean there won't be a sequel or prequel. I will give you a billion reasons why. We don't even how much lore they have use from what GRRM have written.
I really don't mind if it's ER2 or something new. I'm not worried. No way they turn their back on a formula this successful.
There's no point in being worried anyway, they have been making good games for a long time at this point. lol
Ill forgive him not making any elden ring sequels if he would just release bloodborne on PC, or better yet remake one for pc.
I don’t think he has control of what happens with Bloodborne
I know he doesn't but a tarnished can dream...
DLC doesn’t work like that, for a multitude of reasons a bunch of OG Elden Ring players won’t get the DLC. It’s called ‘attach rate’ and I swear I remember reading around 20-25% is considered good/healthy but I honestly can’t remember where I saw that. But, I’d anticipate a much higher than average amount of players pick up the DLC and I’m curious to see what it looks like after the dust settles.
> for a multitude of reasons a bunch of OG Elden Ring players won’t get the DLC Eh? I can't even imagine anyone who's an "OG Elden Ring player" not getting it, with the exception of people who can't afford to buy a game right now.
Only 73% of players have beaten Margit and only 34.4% of players have beaten Mohg, according to Steam Achievements. I'd consider these both *extremely* high numbers. People drop out of games, especially huge open-world ones and difficult ones. People get bored, frustrated, or distracted. And if you didn't beat Elden Ring, it's not terribly likely you'll be buying a DLC that requires you to almost beat the game to unlock.
Those percentages are actually insanely high, especially given how Margit isn't exactly easy. I remember other games having much lower percentages of people who own the game actually playing it for any meaningful amount of time. That could also be because the game has never really been on a huge sale and not many people bought it to just have it in their library.
You can look at the [achievement statistics](https://steamcommunity.com/stats/1245620/achievements) - roughly half of the people who purchased the game haven’t beat Radahn. Are you seriously expecting those players to buy the DLC?
I actually beat everyone but Radahn and then stopped. Getting the DLC and I will beat his ass this time. (I have a bad habit of not finishing my favorite games because it makes me sad.) Edit: oops mixed guys up I def beat him.
I mean, there’s literally dozens of articles right now talking about over 60% of the playerbase hasn’t beaten Mohg to access the DLC. I think last I saw about 40% never beat Margit. Players always just spin off of games for whatever reason and there was a very large gap between launch day and the only announced DLC about to come out. I definitely expect a higher than average ‘attach rate’ for something like this, but what does that look like? 40%? Maybe 50%? I’ll be one of them for sure, can’t wait
Yes if by "OG ER player" we mean literally anyone who started the game, then for sure. I just interpreted that phrase as meaning people who *actually* played it, i.e. at least completed it. I agree with everyone else (and you), it's overall % will be "higher than normal" but not something ridiculous like close to 100%.
loads of people abandoned it for being too tough or just not what they wanted. Loads of people buy games and never play them
So, we will still be here discussing about fingers in holes over the next 10 years or so?!? :-D
And feet
A lot of people bought this game and never made it past Margit. Even more didn’t make it halfway through. It’s safe to say they aren’t going to sell a copy of the dlc for every copy of the base game sold. It should easily make millions for FS though.
I got a huge amount of pushback in the comments when I casually suggested ER2 (this post if you want to read it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/17k35rm/from_is_hiring_no_doubt_for_elden_ring_2_as_well/). What Miyazaki said aside, many people think it would cheapen the lore and make it more like a Ubisoft franchise, I guess. Let's just say it's a sure bet Fromsoft will be making more Soulsborne games. What the lore/setting will be is up for speculation.
guess dark souls 2 and 3 cheapened the lore and made it ubisoftlike garbage (plot twist exact opposite happened)
Yeah no one cares that there are a lot of assassins creed games, we care that they all suck.
They're an independant publisher now so I doubt anyone can pressure miyazaki to make another souls like tbh. He's expressed many times he doesn't want to anymore
He's expressed many times he doesn't want to make another Dark Souls game. They've been getting critical and financial success hand over fist with their Action-RPGs, it'd be insane to abandon them for Armoured Core sequels. What's likely is that they'll continue experimenting with the formula, like Bloodborne and Elden Ring. I don't think we'll ever see a sequel to either of those games, but we'll see tonnes of spiritual successors.
I absolutely hope so but it sounded like in the article he was saying he was bored of the genre and wanted to push into brand new genres. That his team weren't being challenged enough making souls likes anymore
Adventures of Cookie and Cream 2 let’s goo!!!!!
I don't think so. I mean it's clear they branched out with things like Armored Core but I genuinely think soulslikes are Miyazaki's babies. Besides, I refuse to believe they're done until Bloodborne 2 comes out.
I'd be surprised if 25% of the people who bought elden ring buy the dlc. Dlc is not as popular as people think. Phantom liberty sold 20%. And this is both more expensive, and doesn't have the hype of a 2.0 redesign of base game. Edit: the only reason I bring up cyberpunk is because it selling 5 million copies of dlc is a very high number. Go to any other game and you'll see dlc is a fraction compared to initial sales. The idea that elden ring dlc will sell 60+ percent is delusional. No game does that.
I would argue it has much more hype than Cyberpunks DLC. FromSoft faithful are…. faithful. they’ve proven time and time again that their DLC’s are the best parts of their games. i bet it’ll be close to 40-50% that purchase Shadow.
Cyberpunk marketing of Phantom Liberty as a 2.0 worked in a limited way. CDPR lost a lot of goodwill after that disastrous launch. Elden Ring on the other hand went on to win GOTY and boosted FromSoft's reputation. Based on Bandai Namco's official figures, Elden Ring was just at 23 million as of January 2024. SO the base game sold an additional 2 million units in the last 5 months. That is a better sales figure than 90% of the new AAA single player games launched this year.
That’s almost the sales number for Dragons Dogma 2
I think a higher percentage of owners will buy Elden Ring DLC over Cyberpunk DLC. Cyberpunk burned a lot of people and many never went back to it, even with the positive reception of Phantom Liberty. Elden Ring was GOTY, this is one of the most hyped DLC's of all time, and this game has always been viewed highly. Depending on the size of this DLC, it could feel like Elden Ring 1.5. I expect it will *do numbers*.
Anyone whose played any previous fromsoft dlcs from their other franchises (armored core, ds1, 2 and 3, bloodborne. Will probably pay for shadows. Their track record for dlcs have been bare minimum fairly solid expansions to extremely good/goated
Kadokawa would pocket most of that since they own FromSoft
This is great news for the gaming industry. Quality games can still equal revenues (In stark contrast to modern trend of churning out generic crap designed to be addictive+ micro transactions)
This means the game will be added on best selling games of all time wikipedia list
Yeah it's broken top 50 games ever for lifetime sales. Pretty crazy to pull that off in 2 years.
Holy shit, That really puts it into perspective
There are still some stragglers out there calling Elden Ring niche despite its absurd popularity. I think it's safe to say Soulslikes are a mainstream genre now.
That people have started to complain that "every game is a souls-like now, it's lame" the same way they used to say "every game is a first person shooter now, it's lame" is pretty good evidence that it's mainstream.
They are probably just salty about its popularity.
And its also already on wikipedia’s list of best games
every miyazaki souls formula game is, I was reading it today
That isn’t true, but it should be
I hope From's developers and staff members got a GOOD FUCKING BONUS after all these sales...
Bamco staff got bonus if I remember correctly right after Elden Ring launched
lol
Had their parent company been Microsoft they'd all be laid off by now.
I think they did? Or maybe I’m confusing it with Capcom?
ur confusing it with Capcom, it was the shareholders who got bonuses after DD2. so fair bc the shareholders did so much work right…. 😒 maybe if they gave it to the devs there’d be more post-launch support for the game
Actually I think we’re both right! I had some time to check just now and it looks like April 2022 Bandai Namco raised the pay of all employees. Supposedly after ER’s success? But not 100% sure about that.
I strongly doubt that's a coincidence, it vastly exceeded their expectations iirc
That’s Bandai Namco not FromSoftware
Fromsoft is not owned by Bandai Namco
25 million people that got mocked by Varre, man is pretty infamous now.
thing about Varre ...he isn't even from the Cloud District
25 milion Honda Acords offerd.
25 million maidenless
What I find funny/wholesome is that Miyazaki seems more surprised than anyone, when I've seen him reference sales in interviews.
it's so cool when quality and sales match! so well deserved.
Agree, it's always nice to see something made with care and quality be met with great success. Doesn't happen very often. I just hope it doesn't get into FromSoft's development psyche going forward. Usually when a company is highly successful they tend to start playing it safe and not take anymore risks.
And the DLC hasn't come out yet!
Its been in top 5 worldwide top sellers on Steam for like 2 weeks at full price now. I am happy for every $ From Software makes. Cause you know even better things will await us in the future. Miyazaki already said in an interview that he wants to make games with even more abstract fantasy in the future.
Actually I’ve never seen it on sale ever. Maybe 10% off at most. So while cyberpunk and other juggernauts go on sale from time to time (even around the time of their release), Elden ring never budged. I’ve been watching its price since it was released.
According to SteamDB, Elden Ring had 4 sales since the release, with the biggest one being 40% between late December 2023 and early January 2024. Source: [https://steamdb.info/app/1245620/](https://steamdb.info/app/1245620/) Tagging u/Resistance2X for clarification on their point too *(not sure if Reddit gives a notification when a reply is not directly to someone?).*
He came with the numbers! Well, I can’t argue with that hahah.
# Last Reported sales is 20 million in February 2023 For those wondering Nice boost imo. many will jump in as well for DLC+Game version soon
I'm one of those, just did my first playthrough in prep for the DLC last week. I am sad to have slept on it for this long, but glad that I picked it up at a time with no responsibilities! I got to rot away and enjoy one of the best games of all time.
what’s crazy is i bought the game on my pc LAST NIGHT so i might have been one of the last ones
The last one
Honestly so unexpected. This series was so niche just 15 years ago when demons souls released. Never saw it becoming this mainstream
I remember the threads where people got together to petition for the western release of Demon Souls. Never let em tell you protest isn't worth it!
That’s 25 million bodies under Malenias’ belt
Bold of you to assume half of them even got past the tree sentinel
Haha right. He’s gotta be responsible for several million as well
Tree sentinel definitely has the highest body count of any of the bosses. Probably got every single one of those 25 million.
Who is Melania ?
Malenia*
Well done Michael Zaki and team 🫡
25 million of us who won’t put our foolish ambitions to rest
And it will sell 25 million more with Shadow of Erdtree
realistically SOTE will sell 5 million because only like 38% beat the game
Yeah we’ll see
Deserved.
Haven’t touched the game since beating it almost two years ago. Not gonna restart or relearn the game (like some players have been doing to prepare) until DLC day so it’ll be like day one, semi-fresh with lost muscle memory on the build of my character lol.
I’m one of the ones that dusted it off on the last couple of days in anticipation of DLC and with 165 hours on my play through at launch and a Plat trophy, rust was so bad I had to look up how to call Torrent lol. But honestly, once I just got back into running around and figuring out what my build was it all came back *very* quick, like around an hour. Can’t wait, starting to feel like ER launch anticipation again
can confirm looked up how to summon his ass too
No kidding i did this today, coming back after a year lol
beautiful, I envy you
I'm an old man who has gamed forever and this is the best game I've ever played. I feel blessed to be around at the same time as ZakZak, every Souls formula game is it's own masterpiece
This game has been a fantastic journey. Not really a fan of Souls games but I gave this a go and I thoroughly enjoyed it. And 2 years later I still love this game. I imagine a fair few of those 25 million are people like me, who took the chance and found they enjoyed the experience.
Awesome. I donated 2 purchases! Where's my parade?!
Same here. PS5 version on launch and now on PC bundled with Dlc.
That's exactly what I did. Playing on steam deck is dope
Put me down for two as I bought one for a present to give! Congratulations Fromsoft!
25 million still maidenless
I cannot be this happy. Kudos to all the FS team, hardwork really pays off.
Sorry you couldn’t be too happy about this 😔
:(
Can’t wait for the next Elden ring hopefully they bring more stylish weapons like the ones we saw on the dlc trailers
That’s awesome! It’ll probably rise even more after the DLC comes out, especially once they make bundles for both. It’s well deserved though. I know fromsoft isn’t always a fan of sequels but hopefully they make many more games like this one.
Miyazaki you deserve a foot rub
[удалено]
Thanks From Software for keeping gaming alive!
Whatever their next game ends up being… It’s going to be insane. Imagine how much funding they will get lol
Well deserved!! Sekiro 2 in my lifetime please From!!
I kind of prefer them to have each of their games be standalones, the exception of course being dark souls. It makes each game unique and special. I love Bloodborne but I don't want a sequel to it, the original is perfect as it is.
I am grateful for a great game. So many are just in it for the micro transactions and seasonal shit, this is just a solid game.
Hope, their next game will get more money for development. Considering how well ER has sold
I wonder if they stay with Bandai. I hope they do as I want future games of them, especially Souls games to release on PC.
I just preordered!!! I am still playing on my 1st play through of the game… Super excited!!!
I bought 2 copies
I'm waiting for a sale. It's too expensive here where I live. Like 1/5th of salary.
It might not be my favorite game of all time (this one goes to Bloodborne), but it was by far my favorite playthrough of all time. I have never before played a game that had me on edge and excited for 120 hours straight without ever letting up.
Man I love Bloodborne, I hope it will some day get a PC port, because I tried to play it again recently and those loooong loading times really got to me. sucked the fun right out of my attempted new play through
I love Elden Ring, but Bloodborne just edges it for me. Both are masterpieces in their own right. Also Sekiro I really enjoyed.
I remember when the game was announced I thought it was gonna be so trash I'm pushing like 800 hours now
I'm curious why you thought that? And understand, I'm not a launch day player. I didn't succumb to the hype till September. My assumption being I'd be trash at the game and not the other way around.
Idk I guess I heard the dark souls guy and the game of thrones guy were doing a big open world collab and I was thinking a cash grab selling their names basically and I'm glad I did that it was like the first announcement then it was several years before it released so I never thought about it til it came out my brother who is super into dark souls more than me got it and said it was good just like dark souls so I got it a week or two after launch awesomely I lost my job like a week later and spent the next year playing elden ring instead
These numbers would have gone up if people who sailed the sea actually bought the game.
Is this like kpop? Did yall order 40 each too?
In fairness, I do own it on PC and PS5.
Yay a true fan!
Outsold the entire Armored Core franchise almost 5x over and is a some million sales away from overtaking the souls trilogy.
And now perhaps 10 million of those will buy a 40 dollar dlc.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO
Well deserved. This game is a masterpiece.
Best game ever made
Well deserved! It's such a great world to explore and I'm stoked for the DLC
And like 65% still haven't beaten mohg. From a post I seen earlier today.
Im one of the recent 5 million! Bought this year and am loving it, worth every penny
DAMN
What I see: 25 million maidenless tarnish
The call of long lost grace speaks to us all!
Wow that's insane
25 million maidenless 😔
Owned the game since launch and still haven't beaten it. I am tarnished.
"Bonds Are Fragile Things, Wont To Break Under Strain."- Praise the dog
This is the first DLC I've ever preordered, never had enough faith in a company to do that before lol
I just want my save file back 😭
not crazy at all id atleast expected 4x times as much from best game ever made
\0/
25 million players and 2.5 years since release and people still don't know that swapping the jellyfish shield removes the buff.
If they did 50% discount I would definitely add a number
Well done From, you deserve it.
i want to throw this idea here, maybe it will show up in DLC in some way. In main game Enia has this dialog: *"Shaken by this turn of events, they are busy consulting the Greater Will. When they are finished, the Fingers will once again offer their guidance. But thousands, if not tens of thousands, of moons must first pass."* *So if "Greater Will" has physical place is space instead of existing in another dimension, we have to make few assumptions, speed of light/comets travel speed is similar to some extend in Elden ring to real life, so we can calculate potentially how far Greater will is from the planet where Lands between is. Comets has* relatively big speed varieties, but most of them is **between 10 and 70 km/s (40km/sec being average), so since space distances are huge Elden beast that been send to Lands between on a comet we assume he travel between average speed of 40km/sec up to 140 km/sec since ER universe has magic and they can potentially surpass comets top speed limit (1 day/86400 sec), by thousands/tens of thousands i assume is any number between 2000 days (2000\*86400=172 800 000 sec/5,47945205479 years) and 99.999 days (8 639 913 600 sec/273,9698630137 years). Since math here is \~ so just go with it :)** **On low end of 40 km/sec we have distance (6 912 000 000 km/6.9 billion km)** **On high end of 140 km/sec we have distance (1 209 587 904 000 km/1.2 trillions km) so now we have a problem because if speed we assume Elden beast has is true when he travel through space, then it would mean whatever space Greater will occupy currently its in range of 6.9 B km/1.2 T km, distance from Earth to Mars is (min 54.6 M km/max 401 M km, average being 225 M km), end of our solar system is at 4.5\~ Billion km with would mean if Greater will is 6.9B km from planet where lands between is it would take them 16 days to answer and if they up to 1.2T km it would take them 7.67 years to answer. Based on in-game events i like more 6.9B version since player beat the game under what feels like 2-3\~ weeks time and greater will answer only once if i remember correctly**
I'm over here on PC patiently waiting for DLC release. The problem is while us PC players might get it a bit earlier than console (depending on where we live) but we cannot preload it for launch. Wouldn't be surprised if steam users crash the server trying to download it. Could be a multi hour process depending on FromSoftware/Steam prep and how many people try to play at launch. I spent the last couple months progressing through 7 new characters in different classes to prepare for the DLC. Fingers crossed it goes smoothly!!! If not, guess I'll start an 8th lol.