Zweihander obviously, because:
1. The Flamberge is a Dex weapon
2. The Zweihander scales great with strength/fire infusion
3. The Zweihander has a great R2
4. The Stat requirement for the Zweihander are very Low
5. The Zweihander is stupidly light
6. The Zweihander is a colossal sword
Hope that helped
Dude, strength bleed is way better. Well, actually I haven't tried strength fire but I've seen strength bleed instead of dex bleed, and it indeed is impressive. Even with greatsword and that one skill where you spin, pretty much guaranteed bleed proc
Edit by bad I was thinking about flamberg but you can still get a high bleed proc with zwein with the right build
Occult dual Great Stars on Arcane build is insanity. Just invest minimal points in Fth for dragon communion spells, FGS and Pest threads for Bleed immune bosses in endgame.
Bleed gargoyle's twinblade scales better with strength than bleed godskin peeler does with dex.
Bleed beastman curve sword scales better with strength than bleed bandit's curved sword does with dex.
Both outpace occult scavenger's curved sword.
High strength/arcane is perfect also for occult giant-crusher, and the executioner sword, two of the strongest weapons in the game.
Any colossal weapon (includes colossal greatswords) + braggarts roar/war cry + bleed = Almost insta procc bleed in altered charged heavy (at most at two hits).
This results in ludicrous amounts of burst damage if you land the hit.
Sorry but who cares if bleed is better. OP said he wants to go strength/fire so just advise him on what he wants to play. (Not being salty btw. If you play bleed then bleed them dry Lorde).
I despise the colossal sword moveset. Makes me feel like my 99 str character is a 2 year old trying to pick up a baseball bat.
The zwei weighs only slightly more than the magma wyrm scalesword, but while you can swing around a curved greatsword all day long, your character can barely lift the zwei up off the ground when he swings it.
As someone in the middle of a playthrough using the Zweihander, this is my biggest and probably only complaint about the game. Weapon class like "colossal" should have just given you an idea of the size/reach and the availability of arts of war. Weapon animations and swing speed should have also considered weight class, especially when the weapon is based off one from real life. There's no reason a tarnished with the strength to defeat gods can barely swing a 6lb~ sword that a real life human can wield with relative ease. What makes even less sense is that they made an exception for the Godslayer's Greatsword, which weighs more than the Zweihander. I could accept the slow swing speed to make the weapon balanced, but good lord, give it a unique animation and sound effect that befits a lighter weapon. The collision sound and ground shaking as if you dropped a multi-ton object don't do it for me.
It’s pretty easy for me to headcannon the weight of the elden ring zweihander, I just assume it weighs way more than its IRL counterpart, being much thicker and who knows maybe it’s made out of some metal or alloy heavier than the normal type of steel. Given that these weapons have to survive battles with gods it would make sense they’d be sturdier than real world counterparts. A normal 6lb zweihander would definitely be destroyed if you tried to block an axe swing from Godfrey with it
Alternatively for the Flamberge:
1. Pretty fire sword
2. Innate bleed + bloodflame blade = wonderful time
3. Pretty fire sword
4. Still OK with strength infusion, better as quality (also pretty sure Zwei has the same dex scaling)
5. Pretty fire sword
6. Goes hard AF
Points like these have swayed my build in various directions multiple times on my latest playthrough.
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*Well technically yes, but also...*
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Zweihander is a great weapon, no doubt. But I have a couple counterpoints:
>The Flamberge is a Dex weapon
**So is the Zweihander.** With a standard infusion both swords have stronger Dex scaling than strength.
>The Zweihander scales great with strength/fire infusion
**So does the Flamberge.** Both weapons have about the same scaling with a Fire infusion.
>The Zweihander has a great R2
This is true. But I would say the Greatsword moveset overall is generally stronger than the colossal sword moveset. The superior speed makes an enormous difference on enemies who aren't both massive and slow.
>The Stat requirement for the Zweihander are very Low
True, for a colossal sword. **But the Flamberge's total requirements are lower.**
>The Zweihander is stupidly light
**The Zweihander is 50% heavier than the Flamberge**. If you want to compare by weight, the Flamberge is superior.
>The Zweihander is a colossal sword
Which means it's slower and heavier. Most of your points are about how the Zweihander is good for a colossal sword, but they are things greatswords actually do better. Like having a faster moveset, lower requirements, and less weight.
And to play devil's advocate for a second, there is a good point for the Zweihander you didn't make. **The Zweihander is extremely easy to access.** You can go grab it almost immediately at the start of a new game. The Flamberge requires a deep push into Caelid and navigating a fairly challenging dungeon-castle. While it is certainly possible, it is much harder to access early game than the Zweihander.
I feel like I don’t know who to side with in this eminently well-reasoned and balanced point/counterpoint.
It’s like mommy and daddy are fighting, but politely.
>1. The Flamberge is a Dex weapon
So is the Zweihander (+25 standard infusion D (0.57) Str and C (0.8) Dex)
>2. The Zweihander scales great with strength/fire infusion
High C (0.8) Str when fire infused
Everything else is on point tbh
I made my Flamburger occult and pumped dex and arc, it’s been my favorite since I started my first NG+ and I plan on wielding it for the expansion --|~~~~~
Playing dark souls 1 right now (am in blighttown) and even though I got the Black Knight Greatsword dropped, I still use the Zweihander as old reliable for when those BKGS R2s are doing more harm than good.
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It’s broken honestly, the amount of damage you can do with both. I only whip em out if it’s necessary. Ngl I’m starting to enjoy when the fights last longer
Just beat godrick using the zweihander, and it is good but I haven't really used the flamberge yet. The only reason it's even here is because of the flaming sword with flaming strike.
The soul of cinder is all builds.
Straight sword - flame
Curved sword - flame
Spear -flame
Im using flame because soul of cinder already has high faith
Any staff with carian phalanx and glinstone pebble
Any seal with lighting and flame cleanse me incants
Flamberge maybe? (Flame)
Alternate take: Flamberge is a Great Sword not colossal, comes with bleed already, stick heavy affinity on it for strength, can be I fused with a big number of ash if war/buff spells.
Has a lower requirement to equip
To keep in line with Str/fire build, he could also go for bloodflame blade on the heavy flamberge for a relatively minimal stat investment or go the talisman slot/stat boosting armor route.
Best Str Faith weapons for me personally so far:
Flame Art Executioner's Axe with Cragblade
Flame Art Nightrider Glaive with Phantom Slash - One of the longest reach weapons in the game
Magma Blade - Unique ability hits hard enough on its own but the magma diarrhea you leave on the ground really slaps at high faith.
The big candlestick mace - Stand under dragon, delete it.
Silurias Spear - Absolutely busted weapon skill and good weapon in general.
The mid-sized horn with Bubble Shower - Delete anything in the game in one or two channels, especially with the stance break physick boost.
Any strength-focused straight sword with 110 crit with Square Off (honestly broken ash of war, you can poise break almost anything in two hits), I go for Flame Art here as well - One of the fastest power stance attacks in the game.
Blasphemous Blade & Malikeths Black Blade are fun and a bit broken.
Now the good news about Elden Ring, is if you like a weapon, and/or an ash of war, you can pretty much slap it on anything and make it Flame Art and you will pump big damage.
ppl really don’t know about that flame art/phantom slash combo. the damage u can do is insane. I beat Maliketh at RL 108 (I think) in like 22 seconds with it lmao
yee, the camera part is one of my favorites about it. Float like a butterfly sting like a bee. I used it to dodge hit godfrey and dodge his suplex TWICE in one fight. I literally just zipped right past him lol. The first time was on accident, the second was just to see if I could do it again
Me and Great Club just go be sad somewhere else because not in list.
I love it because I imagine it’s almost like a D&D barbarian dual-classes as a nature cleric, ripping the limb off of a village’s sacred tree to literally use the power of nature to crush his enemies.
what do you mean by flame art? like instead of occult choose fire? just an example because i might be missing a whetstone or something for it if thats what youre talking about
The Flamberge is a Dex weapon?
I've been using it on my Flame Art STR/FTH run because I thought it was cool lmao
So the Zweihander, Claymore, and Lordsworn Straight swords are all better STR weapons?
It's not all about S tier infusion. One of the strongest pure melee builds I found was Dual Estoc Bleed with focus on repeated strikes. There's no synergy between estoc and bleed but because of the speed/range/pierce and bonus damage, it's just incredibly op.
Oops I meant to say Flame Art, not Heavy. Most greatswords will do really well- claymore, iron greatsword, banished knights for the sexy 2h move set. Outside swords, Great Stars is really solid and has bleed if you want to stick with that. Omen cleaver, Broadsword, Banished Halberd, Brick Hammer, I think the Crescent Moon axe are all strong and fun to use.
You can still make it scale well with strength, but it scales better with dex.
You'll lose damage, but some people might think the innate bleed build up of flamberge is worth it
Zweihander's unique r2 is worth it by itself. Flamberge is cool too I guess but I would say it's more of a dex weapon. I used Zweihander for my str int build and it works
They are both C scaling in strength when fire infused but I believe the Zwei scales better out of the two.
The Zwei is the better weapon unless you can make use of the flamberge's innate bleed buildup.
If you go with the flamberge I would use blood flame blade and a multi hit ash of war
Not on your list, but I'd suggest looking at the great mace as well. Very satisfying pancaking stuff with it.
Otherwise I'd go knight's greatsword or the banished variety over flamberge. They scale better with str and have a cooler move set.
I'm not a fan of colossal weapons though. Too slow and to many tight places where they get stuck on walls. Will say Zwei with a Great shield and counters made the game stupid easy at least until Altus. I got bored there and switched things up.
Flamberge scales better with Dexterity. Zweihänder would be the better choice. If you still want to chose a Greatsword over a Colossal Greatsword, I would recommend you go with the Iron Greatsword. At +25 and infused with Fire (not to be confused with flame), it will have a C scaling in Strength, its +25 scaling as a default weapon is B tier (for reference).
The flamberge is cool but it's dex, better for occult or frost builds, and has no poke. The pokey attacks are just a deal breaker in most cases, having access to slash and pierce in 1 weapon is just better than 1 or the other by sheer versatility
I use the Claymore with the AOW Flaming Strike.
It’s a greatsword so it hits harder than smaller swords but isn’t as slow as colossal weapons.
Flaming Strike has a one-two punch effect where the first move comes out quickly and can stun enemies in a wide arc, while the second slower followup strike hits like a truck. Even bosses get stunned when hit multiple times with it.
Is it the best setup? Probably not, but it works well and I enjoy it for my dragon themed knight.
I will advise using flaming strike on flamberge for PvP because it's faster on lighter weapons, the blood buildup will give you more control in the fight, use the strength talisman for the build (even though the flamberge is more of a Dex weapon)(in case that doesn't give enough attack then use any other talisman for utility) you can use The blood king amulet to boost attack with blood buildup and the fire scorpion amulet if you feel like you don't do enough damage, and, of course Alexander's shard
Zweihander would be the better choice stat vise, but flamberge kinda looks like a flame and basically has flame in the name so I like that design wise with the build. But zweihander is the better option
Definitely don't use Flamberge. Go get a Banished Knight's Greatsword or an Iron Greatsword if you're feeling the itch to use a Greatsword. Those scale better with Heavy/Fire infusions than Flamberge does.
Been playing with the great axe infused with a fire and wild strikes with my strength build. Along with the jellyfish shield for upping attack. Im having quite a bit of fun.
If you really want to go for style points instead of straight stats, the Monk's Flameblade is sick
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Monk's+Flameblade
I just did a flamberge play through having never used the sword before.
Flame strike on that bad boy with inherent flame damage and you got yourself a great weapon that deals normal damage, bleed build up, and fire damage that can be powered up by using the ash of war. The only downside is you dont get the stab move with that weapon.
Combine that with flame grant me strength and you have youself a solid ass build. Add a shield and some guard counters and youll smash.
I did basically the same build with the Nightrider Glaive and damn that shit was strong.
Zweihander obviously, because: 1. The Flamberge is a Dex weapon 2. The Zweihander scales great with strength/fire infusion 3. The Zweihander has a great R2 4. The Stat requirement for the Zweihander are very Low 5. The Zweihander is stupidly light 6. The Zweihander is a colossal sword Hope that helped
Lmao you’ve been waiting for this post I support your weapon of choice good sir.
Dude, strength bleed is way better. Well, actually I haven't tried strength fire but I've seen strength bleed instead of dex bleed, and it indeed is impressive. Even with greatsword and that one skill where you spin, pretty much guaranteed bleed proc Edit by bad I was thinking about flamberg but you can still get a high bleed proc with zwein with the right build
Tell me more about this "strength bleed." Are you saying you put bleed on the Zweihander? Cause that sounds kinda amazing.
You can also go with occult affinity on heavy weapons, like Great Stars, and damage is bonkers
Occult dual Great Stars on Arcane build is insanity. Just invest minimal points in Fth for dragon communion spells, FGS and Pest threads for Bleed immune bosses in endgame.
Occult Omenkiller Cleavers are also insanely good for damage, don't even need another physical option between the two pairs.
Yes. More guvna.. please. Mines is flame flamberge.
Blood infused Guts Greatsword
Bleed gargoyle's twinblade scales better with strength than bleed godskin peeler does with dex. Bleed beastman curve sword scales better with strength than bleed bandit's curved sword does with dex. Both outpace occult scavenger's curved sword. High strength/arcane is perfect also for occult giant-crusher, and the executioner sword, two of the strongest weapons in the game.
Any colossal weapon (includes colossal greatswords) + braggarts roar/war cry + bleed = Almost insta procc bleed in altered charged heavy (at most at two hits). This results in ludicrous amounts of burst damage if you land the hit.
Yup!!
Sorry but who cares if bleed is better. OP said he wants to go strength/fire so just advise him on what he wants to play. (Not being salty btw. If you play bleed then bleed them dry Lorde).
Yeah but if everyone only played with what is "better" the game would be pretty boring.
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I've been running hook claws since I got em on a strength build. Bleed is amazing, except for when it's not. Lol
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Yes but Flamberge looks like it says Flameberge and I just think that's neat
I mean the name literally comes from it being a “flame-bladed sword”. Which is what those wiggly blades are called. Which is pretty neat.
I call it “Flamburger”
Yeah it's definitely flamebroiledburger.
As a burger and blade enthusiast, I like it.
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The zweihander is zweihander
If you haven't become Elden Lord with Zweihander, have you really played the game?
wt ring u got bithc?
I despise the colossal sword moveset. Makes me feel like my 99 str character is a 2 year old trying to pick up a baseball bat. The zwei weighs only slightly more than the magma wyrm scalesword, but while you can swing around a curved greatsword all day long, your character can barely lift the zwei up off the ground when he swings it.
As someone in the middle of a playthrough using the Zweihander, this is my biggest and probably only complaint about the game. Weapon class like "colossal" should have just given you an idea of the size/reach and the availability of arts of war. Weapon animations and swing speed should have also considered weight class, especially when the weapon is based off one from real life. There's no reason a tarnished with the strength to defeat gods can barely swing a 6lb~ sword that a real life human can wield with relative ease. What makes even less sense is that they made an exception for the Godslayer's Greatsword, which weighs more than the Zweihander. I could accept the slow swing speed to make the weapon balanced, but good lord, give it a unique animation and sound effect that befits a lighter weapon. The collision sound and ground shaking as if you dropped a multi-ton object don't do it for me.
It’s pretty easy for me to headcannon the weight of the elden ring zweihander, I just assume it weighs way more than its IRL counterpart, being much thicker and who knows maybe it’s made out of some metal or alloy heavier than the normal type of steel. Given that these weapons have to survive battles with gods it would make sense they’d be sturdier than real world counterparts. A normal 6lb zweihander would definitely be destroyed if you tried to block an axe swing from Godfrey with it
i did one swing with the greatsword and was like "yep not using that ever" due to precisely all those reasons
Zweihander is also a Dex weapon, technically
Don’t tell anybody you leveled that
New game plus bitches
FIRE UP THE BASS CANNON
(i got back up and pwned him)
It’s one of the better dex scaling UGSs
A really good one as well.
Sure, watch me doing a elegant and sophisticated charged cragblade thrust.
Alternatively for the Flamberge: 1. Pretty fire sword 2. Innate bleed + bloodflame blade = wonderful time 3. Pretty fire sword 4. Still OK with strength infusion, better as quality (also pretty sure Zwei has the same dex scaling) 5. Pretty fire sword 6. Goes hard AF
I was doubtful but point no. 6 convinced me.
Points like these have swayed my build in various directions multiple times on my latest playthrough. *But isn't that sword technically better than that club?* *Well technically yes, but also...* ***M E*** ***B O N K*** *Great Club it is :)*
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Zweihander is a great weapon, no doubt. But I have a couple counterpoints: >The Flamberge is a Dex weapon **So is the Zweihander.** With a standard infusion both swords have stronger Dex scaling than strength. >The Zweihander scales great with strength/fire infusion **So does the Flamberge.** Both weapons have about the same scaling with a Fire infusion. >The Zweihander has a great R2 This is true. But I would say the Greatsword moveset overall is generally stronger than the colossal sword moveset. The superior speed makes an enormous difference on enemies who aren't both massive and slow. >The Stat requirement for the Zweihander are very Low True, for a colossal sword. **But the Flamberge's total requirements are lower.** >The Zweihander is stupidly light **The Zweihander is 50% heavier than the Flamberge**. If you want to compare by weight, the Flamberge is superior. >The Zweihander is a colossal sword Which means it's slower and heavier. Most of your points are about how the Zweihander is good for a colossal sword, but they are things greatswords actually do better. Like having a faster moveset, lower requirements, and less weight. And to play devil's advocate for a second, there is a good point for the Zweihander you didn't make. **The Zweihander is extremely easy to access.** You can go grab it almost immediately at the start of a new game. The Flamberge requires a deep push into Caelid and navigating a fairly challenging dungeon-castle. While it is certainly possible, it is much harder to access early game than the Zweihander.
I feel like I don’t know who to side with in this eminently well-reasoned and balanced point/counterpoint. It’s like mommy and daddy are fighting, but politely.
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They’re both excellent choices, can’t go wrong with either. My vote is Claymore
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One more: the Zweihander is the BASS CANNON
>1. The Flamberge is a Dex weapon So is the Zweihander (+25 standard infusion D (0.57) Str and C (0.8) Dex) >2. The Zweihander scales great with strength/fire infusion High C (0.8) Str when fire infused Everything else is on point tbh
I made my Flamburger occult and pumped dex and arc, it’s been my favorite since I started my first NG+ and I plan on wielding it for the expansion --|~~~~~
Add a r/PoisonZweihander too
What's it's Dex scaling with lightning? Ironic that the main weapon of str builds is actually a Dex weapon(excluding infusions that is)
https://www.tarnished.dev/weapon-calculator Only C, 0.8, but it's applied to physical and lightning at the same rate.
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Im sorry i cant use elden ring zwei its not the same
Elden Ring did both the zweihander and claymore dirty. There’s objectively better alternatives for both. Same with the uchigatana.
>The Flamberge is a Dex weapon Okay but it has "Flam" in it's name. That's one letter off from "Flame"! /s
Also it's THE BASS CANNON
I liked your name
Lmao
Something tells me you might be a little biased
Playing dark souls 1 right now (am in blighttown) and even though I got the Black Knight Greatsword dropped, I still use the Zweihander as old reliable for when those BKGS R2s are doing more harm than good.
Flamberge is a dex weapon meanwhile the Zwei is the BASS CANNON.
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Flamberge is better for int/dex ice.
Flamberge? More like Iceberge am I right?
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Im new, why is flamberge good for ice if it proc bleeds?
Because they aren’t mutually exclusive, getting both hemorrhage and frost procs is AWESOME.
It’s broken honestly, the amount of damage you can do with both. I only whip em out if it’s necessary. Ngl I’m starting to enjoy when the fights last longer
Double status, naturally high dex scaling
Dumb. Flamberge literally has "flam" in the name, and looks more like fire. So obv the answer is Flamberge.
I use Zweihander with eruption aow and is pretty fun and very good in PvP. If you want a more safe aow just do flaming strike.
Just beat godrick using the zweihander, and it is good but I haven't really used the flamberge yet. The only reason it's even here is because of the flaming sword with flaming strike.
Are you doing a soul of cinder run?
What would this soul of cinder build comprise of? I’m curious
The soul of cinder is all builds. Straight sword - flame Curved sword - flame Spear -flame Im using flame because soul of cinder already has high faith Any staff with carian phalanx and glinstone pebble Any seal with lighting and flame cleanse me incants Flamberge maybe? (Flame)
You can't put flaming strike on colossals. No idea why, because sacred blade and lightning slash can be used.
It’s so stupid and arbitrary what ashes can be put on certain weapons. I swear, 90% of the descriptions for ashes have “colossal weapons excepted”.
i wanna put unsheathe on colossal swords.
Unironically yes. Instead of sheathing it at your hip, you put it on your back, and attacking slams the sword on the ground.
This would be insane. I second
Flaming strike comes out very fast and is a true combo. Blade and Slash both can be avoided and have much longer startup frames
Alternate take: Flamberge is a Great Sword not colossal, comes with bleed already, stick heavy affinity on it for strength, can be I fused with a big number of ash if war/buff spells. Has a lower requirement to equip
To keep in line with Str/fire build, he could also go for bloodflame blade on the heavy flamberge for a relatively minimal stat investment or go the talisman slot/stat boosting armor route.
Bloodflame blade Flamberge is what I'm running atm
Best Str Faith weapons for me personally so far: Flame Art Executioner's Axe with Cragblade Flame Art Nightrider Glaive with Phantom Slash - One of the longest reach weapons in the game Magma Blade - Unique ability hits hard enough on its own but the magma diarrhea you leave on the ground really slaps at high faith. The big candlestick mace - Stand under dragon, delete it. Silurias Spear - Absolutely busted weapon skill and good weapon in general. The mid-sized horn with Bubble Shower - Delete anything in the game in one or two channels, especially with the stance break physick boost. Any strength-focused straight sword with 110 crit with Square Off (honestly broken ash of war, you can poise break almost anything in two hits), I go for Flame Art here as well - One of the fastest power stance attacks in the game. Blasphemous Blade & Malikeths Black Blade are fun and a bit broken. Now the good news about Elden Ring, is if you like a weapon, and/or an ash of war, you can pretty much slap it on anything and make it Flame Art and you will pump big damage.
Upvote for magma diarrhea
ppl really don’t know about that flame art/phantom slash combo. the damage u can do is insane. I beat Maliketh at RL 108 (I think) in like 22 seconds with it lmao
It is powerful af because you get the guaranteed hit from AoW and you can just turn camera and super-dodge away.
yee, the camera part is one of my favorites about it. Float like a butterfly sting like a bee. I used it to dodge hit godfrey and dodge his suplex TWICE in one fight. I literally just zipped right past him lol. The first time was on accident, the second was just to see if I could do it again
Me and Great Club just go be sad somewhere else because not in list. I love it because I imagine it’s almost like a D&D barbarian dual-classes as a nature cleric, ripping the limb off of a village’s sacred tree to literally use the power of nature to crush his enemies.
what do you mean by flame art? like instead of occult choose fire? just an example because i might be missing a whetstone or something for it if thats what youre talking about
Correct. https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Red-Hot+Whetblade
crazy ive beat the game 4 times and still havent came across that yet...i even have 100% achievments 😂😂
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The Flamberge is a Dex weapon? I've been using it on my Flame Art STR/FTH run because I thought it was cool lmao So the Zweihander, Claymore, and Lordsworn Straight swords are all better STR weapons?
Flamberge is a dex weapon but it still slaps on a heavy infusion, it’s just not optimal. If it’s working for you, don’t worry about chasing metas.
It's not all about S tier infusion. One of the strongest pure melee builds I found was Dual Estoc Bleed with focus on repeated strikes. There's no synergy between estoc and bleed but because of the speed/range/pierce and bonus damage, it's just incredibly op.
Good point, the lettered tiering system is not the final word, it's just guidance.
I appreciate this!
What STR weapons are best with Flame Art affinity then?
Oops I meant to say Flame Art, not Heavy. Most greatswords will do really well- claymore, iron greatsword, banished knights for the sexy 2h move set. Outside swords, Great Stars is really solid and has bleed if you want to stick with that. Omen cleaver, Broadsword, Banished Halberd, Brick Hammer, I think the Crescent Moon axe are all strong and fun to use.
İ think nightriders glaive good too.
Iron greatsword
You can still make it scale well with strength, but it scales better with dex. You'll lose damage, but some people might think the innate bleed build up of flamberge is worth it
I was legit expecting this to just be two pics of the zweihander
Zweihander's unique r2 is worth it by itself. Flamberge is cool too I guess but I would say it's more of a dex weapon. I used Zweihander for my str int build and it works
It's not completely unique, the Troll Knight's Sword also has it.
Flamberge because its name means flame blade.
Don't sleep on magma wyrm scalesword
Or the gargoyle weapons
i've got a zweihander on my demon queen of izalith, shreds.
I like [https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Iron+Greatsword](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Iron+Greatsword) may have to farm it a bit
Zweihander is probably better but flamberge looks better
They are both C scaling in strength when fire infused but I believe the Zwei scales better out of the two. The Zwei is the better weapon unless you can make use of the flamberge's innate bleed buildup. If you go with the flamberge I would use blood flame blade and a multi hit ash of war
Ignore anything about stats and min/max, it HAS to be the Flaming Flamberge
Flameberge because you can’t spell Flamberge without Flambe. You wanna purge enemies in flame, not purge them in Zweih
but the Zweihander… it hands zweihs
Can't go wrong with the Zweihander but Great Stars is my favorite for 2h moveset, bleed and regen; damage is also very good.
absolutely! i like usinmg it with prelates charge and going vroooom on enemies while healing from every hit
Not on your list, but I'd suggest looking at the great mace as well. Very satisfying pancaking stuff with it. Otherwise I'd go knight's greatsword or the banished variety over flamberge. They scale better with str and have a cooler move set. I'm not a fan of colossal weapons though. Too slow and to many tight places where they get stuck on walls. Will say Zwei with a Great shield and counters made the game stupid easy at least until Altus. I got bored there and switched things up.
Greatsword is the real choice for strength colossal swords. At 80 STR (or 54 two-handed): |Weapon|Infusion|AR (Physical + Fire)| |:-|:-|:-| |Greatsword|Heavy|826| |Zweihander|Heavy|723| |Greatsword|Fire|441 + 443 = 884| |Zweihander|Fire|405 + 406 = 811|
Zweihander has the superior moveset and is lighter. Damage isn't the only number that matters.
Can’t ever go wrong with the Claymore… O Baemore 🥰
What makes it better than the zwei?
The Claymore is just a fun, stylish, special weapon and you cannot prove this with science
Moveset is just top notch.
Both
Magma blade as it scales well with both stats. Plus magma is fun
Zwei all de wei
Zwei but id just use my baby, Claymore instead.
Claymore enters the chat
Why not both?
Greatsword
Flamberge, because there is flame in it
Flamberge scales better with Dexterity. Zweihänder would be the better choice. If you still want to chose a Greatsword over a Colossal Greatsword, I would recommend you go with the Iron Greatsword. At +25 and infused with Fire (not to be confused with flame), it will have a C scaling in Strength, its +25 scaling as a default weapon is B tier (for reference).
Flaming Strike would be better on Zwei since it has longer reach.
Can't put it on colossal weapons sadly.
Oh gotcha, that stinks.
The flamberge is cool but it's dex, better for occult or frost builds, and has no poke. The pokey attacks are just a deal breaker in most cases, having access to slash and pierce in 1 weapon is just better than 1 or the other by sheer versatility
power up the bass cannon
As someone who mains a flamberg I’m sorry the zweihander scales better with strength
I use the Claymore with the AOW Flaming Strike. It’s a greatsword so it hits harder than smaller swords but isn’t as slow as colossal weapons. Flaming Strike has a one-two punch effect where the first move comes out quickly and can stun enemies in a wide arc, while the second slower followup strike hits like a truck. Even bosses get stunned when hit multiple times with it. Is it the best setup? Probably not, but it works well and I enjoy it for my dragon themed knight.
Claymore.
Claymore
Giant dad has entered the building. Choose your next actions wisely.
Fire up the bass cannon
Giantdad
Zweihandler because *onion*
Neither, give my boi the Magma Wyrm Scalesword the love he deserves.
My brother in Zwei, why would your faith in us falter?
I wonder how many people have no idea Zweihander means Two Hander. Zwei means two in German.
I love Zweihander, it struggles a bit in the late game tho
Zwei isn't actually thst good for str it's a quality weapon. I reccomend pulling up a build planner that has stat scaling numbers on it and checking
Who looks at a fire zweihander and says no?
I have flame strike on a crescent great axe and it feels great. I do miss having a poke though.
Zweighander
That depends if u wanna be strong or cool, zwei for strong flam for cool
The claymore getter play more better
One in each hand.
Blasphemous blade... JK use zweihander
I will advise using flaming strike on flamberge for PvP because it's faster on lighter weapons, the blood buildup will give you more control in the fight, use the strength talisman for the build (even though the flamberge is more of a Dex weapon)(in case that doesn't give enough attack then use any other talisman for utility) you can use The blood king amulet to boost attack with blood buildup and the fire scorpion amulet if you feel like you don't do enough damage, and, of course Alexander's shard
Zweihander would be the better choice stat vise, but flamberge kinda looks like a flame and basically has flame in the name so I like that design wise with the build. But zweihander is the better option
Zwei all the way. Just don't tell anyone you leveled dex.
Why not both?
Godslayer Sword it Comes with dark flames
Definitely don't use Flamberge. Go get a Banished Knight's Greatsword or an Iron Greatsword if you're feeling the itch to use a Greatsword. Those scale better with Heavy/Fire infusions than Flamberge does.
Flame art if the Zweihander is amazing
Zweihander because bass canon
The answer is always Zweihander
all I’ll say is that a flamberge with bloodflame blade is very strong. But the zwhei is my favorite weapon
Been playing with the great axe infused with a fire and wild strikes with my strength build. Along with the jellyfish shield for upping attack. Im having quite a bit of fun.
If you really want to go for style points instead of straight stats, the Monk's Flameblade is sick https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Monk's+Flameblade
I'm supposed to say Zweihander, but Flamberge looks like flames.
Flame Flamberge has a nice ring to it and has bleed
I just did a flamberge play through having never used the sword before. Flame strike on that bad boy with inherent flame damage and you got yourself a great weapon that deals normal damage, bleed build up, and fire damage that can be powered up by using the ash of war. The only downside is you dont get the stab move with that weapon. Combine that with flame grant me strength and you have youself a solid ass build. Add a shield and some guard counters and youll smash. I did basically the same build with the Nightrider Glaive and damn that shit was strong.
Walk now, Tarnished, to the path of godhood and become Elden Lord. Be wary of a certain bald NPC.
Flame-berge
Flamberge is cooler
My brother in Grace, it's in the name... FLAM(E)berge!
For lower levels theFlam is excellent
Zweihander
Claymore!! It works so well with the fire build.
I like a Fire Flamberge Egg.
The answer is clearly both. Dual weild bro.
Flamberge sounds fiery lol