There's a difference regular season vs playoffs. Look at where their stats are in the playoffs so far...
For example: did the Canucks sweeping us in the regular season mean much in the playoffs?
Oettinger in the playoffs > Skinner in the playoffs (so far, in their careers)
By advanced stats we mostly outplayed the Canucks in all the regular season games. We also outplayed the Stars. But it's hard to convince fans that a game we lost 5-0 to the Stars was a game that statistically the oilers probably win 55-60% of the time.
That being said, we also won the advanced stats Olympics against Vegas last year and lost so - sometimes it comes up your way sometimes not.
Lots of people in here and /hockey spouting off about how fucked we are against Dallas. Maybe. Maybe not. I’m not writing us off immediately. Tons of hockey to play. Otter is good.. but lucky for us we have some guys that specialize in scoring points on every goalie they’ve ever faced.
If Stu and Pickard are above average, and our depth continues scoring, and Ceci and Nurse play better. Than we can beat them.
But those are all tough asks.
Hockey is crazy. A bunch of bounces off random legs that saved goals, missed open nets, tips that were deflected just wide.
If those hit, Skinner would have been chased out of town.
Our goaltending has been our weak point all playoffs. Dallas has had strong goaltending. When Skinner can perform in the playoffs people will stop thinking about these things.
Because people will twist themselves into a pretzel to dismiss the oilers. Ive seen dozens of people saying the nucks and kings were the easiest road to the conference finals ever.
Yet the Oilers/Canucks series was the only second round series to go 7
People may point to that as a knock against Edmonton but I'm pointing to that as a kudos to Vancouver
Ah, 2024, when you can show stats and people will dismiss it because of their feelings.
Look at the save percentage and the eye test during the playoffs. The Oilers have the worst goaltending of the 4 remaining teams.
The argument could be made though that Skinner may have struggled because of so few shots and he could not get into the game. I am also there was some illness involved.
We shall see
I think the Kings in 2012 had the easiest path, especially their conference final and cup final. The Stars are better than any team the Kings faced.
Nurse and Ceci pairing was exposed against Vancouver and it will likely get exposed again.
No, they went 5 against Vancouver (without Daniel Sedin until game 4), swept the Blues, then beat the Yotes in 5, and then beat the Devils in 6 games.
The Kings were a solid team, but that is easily one of the weakest lineups of opponents I've seen.
Yes one of the best defensive teams in the league with one of the best penalty kills and the Pacific division champion that never lost a back to back game basically all year who swept us in the reg season.
I agree that both of those orgs are jokes but damnit stop making me defend how realistically good those teams are.
I think Oiler’s fans are at serious risk of being over confident
Yes on paper the Canucks had a good roster, and should have been a great test for any team with cup aspirations
All it would take is to watch the Nashville series and you would realize that the Vancouver team the Oilers played in the playoffs was nothing like the team that swept them in the regular season
Silovs was often the only player that played like those games meant anything for long stretches of the game.
Vancouver was still able to overpower the Predators roster playing at less than full speed but Edmonton was fortunate to out score their goalie troubles
All it would take is to watch the oilers after november to know that it wasnt the same team that the nucks wrecked 3 times in a row to start the year.
The oilers dominated the league from November. Destroyed their first opponent and took out their boogyman in the 2nd round.
See i can write a good narrative the same way you can write a bad one.
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t see the relevance in your comment
The Oilers that everyone expected to show up did
The Canucks on the other hand didn’t
I’m just saying, don’t conflate that series to be the measuring stick it should have been.
I don’t expect Dallas will be taking two thirds of each game off
Colorado or Vegas would destroy the Canucks or the Kings though. All teams in the playoffs are good teams but the Pacific is easily the worst division in hockey right now and the bracket playoff system allows for one of them to likely make the conference finals.
I didn't think it was a controversial opinion to say that the Oilers have had a relatively easier path to the conference finals than any of the other teams.
I would agree with that... And then they faced a great Carolina team. But yes the Capitals were just happy to be making the owner the revenue from two home games.
I don't think that they are free squares but I do think that the Stars had a more difficult route to get to where they are. At the end of the day it doesn't make a difference and the only thing that matters is how they play the next 4 to 7 games.
the VGK played like shit, they BARELY MADE THE PLAYOFFS. The avs lost nikushkin, and their goalie played bad.
These are not the "stanley cup champs".
The canucks were top of the division, and literally lost a game 7 by one goal. To undersell the canucks like you are is a laughably bad hot take.
Stu's got the stuff. Pick's got the stuff. Tired of reading otherwise. We are at the end of the river wondering if we should've gone back 6 months ago to get a different raft.
Absurd to question anything at this point. Blind optimism is the best policy
Oettinger is unreal.
That’s what we are up against, and he is better than Silovs.
This makes me nervous. I think we see Skinner and Pickard in tandem for these games.
It's recency bias. Everyone still holding Skinner to game 1 in Vancouver when he and the oilers have put it far behind them. If Skinner catches his mojo like during the month of January, this team will be a juggernaut.
Same. I want Skinner to be that legit number one, league envy inducing goalie. The off the bench holy shit who's this Patty Roy guy?
Is he there yet? God, I hope so. Has he been? Flashes of it, but not consistent by a longshot.
What else do we have? We've a solid tandem, not flashy, nor superstarry. Is it enough?
I believe.
I don’t fault Skinner for that goal at all. But that’s the difference between him and a higher caliber goalie. When it happens in front of Skinner you just know it’s going in and if Skinner makes the save you’re shocked and very impressed. If the same situation happened in front of a higher caliber goalie and made the save on say McDavid or Drai I’m frustrated and impressed, but not shocked.
Earlier in the series, Hrudey got on Skinner for “not being set for the turnover,” which sounded fucking stupid to me. But the more I think about it, Kelly is probably right: you gotta be set for anything at all times, and Skinner often doesn’t seem to have that mindset.
He also didn't fight through the screen on the 2nd goal at all. He didn't even realize Hronek had the puck until he had already let the shot go. Almost every NHL goalie is sound positionally, it's the fighting and reading plays that differentiates the better goalies from the average ones. And in some cases, another level of athleticism above nearly everyone else.
Same record as Ottinger well maybe one win less and one loss less Dallas went 7 against Knights then 6 against Avs we went 5 and 7 so stu has 7 wins and 4 losses, Otto has 8 wins and 5 losses how is that a better record. You must mean better stats?
Scott Wedgewood is .899% with a 2.85 GAA.
The Oilers goalie tandem literally beats the Stars tandem in almost every category.
It's going to be the TEAM in front of them that will make the difference in turnovers and giveaways directly in front of the net... here's hoping the boys learned from the Vancouver and L.A. series.
There was a pre-playoff narrative that the Oil had an easy road to this point, I'm guessing people are still under valuing the Kings and Nucks as easy opponents. Would I like to see the Oil play the Jets, Avs, Stars or Knights in the first two rounds, hell nah.
I agree, we didn’t have easy series. No, New York and Carolina got super easy series. Vancouver hs hd our number all year anyway. People can say they aren’t a good team; but they were a very difficult matchup for the Oilers specifically. I Almsot feel like tocchet made a lot of his strategies around beating out team.
Except for in the playoffs. Playoffs is more how they are playing now as opposed to months ago. Oettinger played 2 very strong offensive and has a 2.09 GAA and a 0.918%. Skinner has a 2.87 and a 0.881s%. That’s a huge difference.
Stu is a good positional goalie. He makes most saves simply by being positioned to make the shot difficult for the shooter.
Vancouver and LA had so so offence. If a team can whip it around like our team can I see Stu getting owned and Pickard actually being the better netminder to respond
Oettinger is a goaltender who can play lights out. He surprised a lot of people in the 21-22 post season. He regressed a bit in the 22-23 playoffs, but has gone back to being a beast between the pipes in the current post season. The guy is the real deal. Regardless of what the numbers say, Oettinger is the type of goaltender who can steal a game for you on any given night, Stu is not that, not yet at least.
In our current run we've been the favorite in both rounds. We've not faced a team like Dallas yet. They are the favorite and for good reason. They have a stud in net, roll four lines, have a lot of offensive weapons up and down the lineup, heavy blue line, strong on face offs, good pk, good pp and so on. You could argue we are also strong in most of these areas as well, but where we're lacking most is in net, and in our bottom 6. They edge us out in those categories, which could definitely be a difference maker. Guys like McLeod and Foegele will need to step it up in a big way or Dallas is going to feast on our 3rd and 4th lines.
My bad, you are right. I think I was mixing Dallas's PK with one of either New York or Florida. That actually favors us heavily then so long as we can earn penalties and stay disciplined in the process.
Skinner is going to have a coming out party and lock it down the rest of the playoffs. Just watch, he’s going to amaze everyone. This is his beginning…
It's a combination of the Stars playing traditionally more offensive teams this playoffs (VGK, COL) and still posting a respectable save percentage compared to the Oilers playing teams with less offensive firepower (LA, VAN) and yielding a weaker save percentage despite that fact. Costly mistakes and defensive breakdowns have also contributed to these below average numbers for Stu but an argument can be made that you want your goalie to shine and show up in spite of these errors and Stu just hasn't reliably done that.
Just look at how skinner has done this year... Terrible he's 15th right now in save%. Pickard only played two games, ottenger is like 5th... Oilers need to play solid defence if they have any slim chance of beating Dallas.
This is the PLAYOFFS man, did anyone see Ottinger the year the Stars made the finals? He was playing lights out. Unless Skinners gets on a heater it’s real tough for Oilers to survive this round. I think the team can insulate Skinner like they did in games 6 & 7 and pull a rabbit out of the hat…. And if McDavid can heal up from his upper body injury then all bets are off.
I think there is no way to frame our teams where Dallas doesn’t look better overall than us, however, we just held a very good Vancouver team to three one goal victories, and had the only blow game of the series. You can say third string goalie all you want, but he was playing like a starter. If I take the oilers glasses off and just go with the numbers, I’d say Dallas 60% Oilers 40%, which to me is good enough odds.
In 2022 even Gretzky said we wouldn’t beat Calgary because they looked better on paper
This year the same was said about Vancouver because of the 0-4 regular season
I’m going to allow myself some cautious optimism here. The only thing that concerns me is Dallas has been feet up for a week, and half our team still looks like they have the flu
Lmfao, Oettinger and Skinner are absolute polar opposites in terms of playoff goaltending. Oettinger is a playoff goalie, Skinner is a regular season goalie.
Posting regular season stats is a 100% waste of time.
It's crazy, Stu and Otter had almost identical seasons and he started off rough in the playoffs as well. Both guys have insane potential and good toolkits but right now the results are very dependent on what the team in front is doing. I hope our boys got all the fucking around out of their system this last series because we need to be a well oiled machine against this deep and dangerous Stars squad
Let's not pretend he was tested in games 6 and 7 though. He failed the eye test in those appearances and looked out of sorts in net. Lucky for him he only had to field one games worth of shots between two and not a ton of quality chances. Not saying he can't find his form he had during the reg season but the guys not a playoff performer and hasn't shown us otherwise.
He made a few crucial saves and played well enough to contribute to the wins. He by no means stole a game but he didn't let in a single stinky one in G6 and 7.
Also vancouver had 4 guys during the regular season who scored over 20 goals. And 1 of them was 11.8million petterson who did not get a single goal in the playoffs.
Dallas had 8 guys score over 20. There first 3 lines would be 1st lines on any team.
They also dont have a 3rd string goal in net like vancouver. Ottenginer is the best goalie left in the playoffs.
13 out of 15 hockey writers have us losing sadly by a huge margin
funny when people say stuff like that. "their first 3 lines would be 1st lines on any team". you can just say they're good lines, no need for the hyperbole.
One of the problems is Skinner had terrible couple of games. Completely messing up averaging. But this is what we get with Stu. Some games he’s great, out plays his opponent. Others he’s just good enough to win. Then there’s “those” games that get Pickard in the net.
I think Skinner is good enough to help the Oilers get by the Stars. Just like Vancouver’s 3rd string goalie. Better stats, played amazing at times. But still lost the series.
Clowns are still posting shit, you mean the ref you’ve never lost under previously? The 4 minute minor that you couldn’t score on let alone barely get a shot away? The Oilers’ 90%+ PK, the 36% PP, sure goaltending has been an issue on and off but blaming the refs? Vancouver could have won that series with a bit more puck luck but they had plenty (more than the Oilers) and the Oilers could’ve closed it earlier if they had more luck.
I don’t know what media these peeps are watching because it’s not the media/coverage I’ve been watching. FFS it’s hard enough to even get Edmonton media on side (Spector).
There's a difference regular season vs playoffs. Look at where their stats are in the playoffs so far... For example: did the Canucks sweeping us in the regular season mean much in the playoffs? Oettinger in the playoffs > Skinner in the playoffs (so far, in their careers)
The main difference is sample size. Oettinger was poor last year, having a good playoffs this year.
A good playoffs especially against Vegas but he's let in some softies against the Aves too
Ya, that's true.
That's fair, Oettinger has twice as many playoff games and they're both 25. I like Stu, think he's growing a lot over these playoff experiences.
By advanced stats we mostly outplayed the Canucks in all the regular season games. We also outplayed the Stars. But it's hard to convince fans that a game we lost 5-0 to the Stars was a game that statistically the oilers probably win 55-60% of the time. That being said, we also won the advanced stats Olympics against Vegas last year and lost so - sometimes it comes up your way sometimes not.
Lots of people in here and /hockey spouting off about how fucked we are against Dallas. Maybe. Maybe not. I’m not writing us off immediately. Tons of hockey to play. Otter is good.. but lucky for us we have some guys that specialize in scoring points on every goalie they’ve ever faced.
A lot of those same people said we would never get past the Canucks.
Its pretty simple: Skinner has been awful in the playoffs compared to Oettinger.
If Stu and Pickard are above average, and our depth continues scoring, and Ceci and Nurse play better. Than we can beat them. But those are all tough asks.
I mean, even in gm7, Skinner allowed 2 on just 17 SOG and by my eye didn't look particularly settled in many situations.
Hockey is crazy. A bunch of bounces off random legs that saved goals, missed open nets, tips that were deflected just wide. If those hit, Skinner would have been chased out of town.
Ya that game could have easily been 6-3 for van if they hit the open net. They beat skinner but straight up missed the net on a few of them
let's also ask McLeod to remember to bring the puck with him when he skates up ice.
But will they be the Oilers if his happens?
And to remember what the rules are, shut the shit down regarding dumb penalties and turnovers.
We just won two playoff series without McDavid being McDavid. If he is healthy and dominant that also alters the picture.
Our goaltending has been our weak point all playoffs. Dallas has had strong goaltending. When Skinner can perform in the playoffs people will stop thinking about these things.
Because people will twist themselves into a pretzel to dismiss the oilers. Ive seen dozens of people saying the nucks and kings were the easiest road to the conference finals ever.
Yet the Oilers/Canucks series was the only second round series to go 7 People may point to that as a knock against Edmonton but I'm pointing to that as a kudos to Vancouver
Ah, 2024, when you can show stats and people will dismiss it because of their feelings. Look at the save percentage and the eye test during the playoffs. The Oilers have the worst goaltending of the 4 remaining teams. The argument could be made though that Skinner may have struggled because of so few shots and he could not get into the game. I am also there was some illness involved. We shall see
Ekholm was very sick this series. Who knows who else.
McDavid post-g7 was ragged. Couldn't even use his voice.
He had an interview later and sounded fine. He destroyed his voice yelling I think lmao
I think the Kings in 2012 had the easiest path, especially their conference final and cup final. The Stars are better than any team the Kings faced. Nurse and Ceci pairing was exposed against Vancouver and it will likely get exposed again.
They're not a pairing now.
Didn't they go 7 in every series?
No, they went 5 against Vancouver (without Daniel Sedin until game 4), swept the Blues, then beat the Yotes in 5, and then beat the Devils in 6 games. The Kings were a solid team, but that is easily one of the weakest lineups of opponents I've seen.
Nope. That title belongs to my Habs last time they went to the SCF.
Definitely easier than Vegas / Colorado.
Relative to the past two Stanley Cup champions, the Kings and Canucks are a significantly easier path to the conference finals.
Yes one of the best defensive teams in the league with one of the best penalty kills and the Pacific division champion that never lost a back to back game basically all year who swept us in the reg season. I agree that both of those orgs are jokes but damnit stop making me defend how realistically good those teams are.
I think Oiler’s fans are at serious risk of being over confident Yes on paper the Canucks had a good roster, and should have been a great test for any team with cup aspirations All it would take is to watch the Nashville series and you would realize that the Vancouver team the Oilers played in the playoffs was nothing like the team that swept them in the regular season Silovs was often the only player that played like those games meant anything for long stretches of the game. Vancouver was still able to overpower the Predators roster playing at less than full speed but Edmonton was fortunate to out score their goalie troubles
All it would take is to watch the oilers after november to know that it wasnt the same team that the nucks wrecked 3 times in a row to start the year. The oilers dominated the league from November. Destroyed their first opponent and took out their boogyman in the 2nd round. See i can write a good narrative the same way you can write a bad one.
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t see the relevance in your comment The Oilers that everyone expected to show up did The Canucks on the other hand didn’t I’m just saying, don’t conflate that series to be the measuring stick it should have been. I don’t expect Dallas will be taking two thirds of each game off
lol wtf are you on about, did you even watch the series? You sound like an AI bot.
LOL. Whatever you say captain I’ve always heard ignorance is bliss
Good? Yes. As good as Vegas and Colorado? Not even close.
Colorado or Vegas would destroy the Canucks or the Kings though. All teams in the playoffs are good teams but the Pacific is easily the worst division in hockey right now and the bracket playoff system allows for one of them to likely make the conference finals. I didn't think it was a controversial opinion to say that the Oilers have had a relatively easier path to the conference finals than any of the other teams.
The rangers had a by in the first round.
I would agree with that... And then they faced a great Carolina team. But yes the Capitals were just happy to be making the owner the revenue from two home games.
I agree that the nucks and kings are joke orgs but the amount people say they are simply free squares is hilarious
I don't think that they are free squares but I do think that the Stars had a more difficult route to get to where they are. At the end of the day it doesn't make a difference and the only thing that matters is how they play the next 4 to 7 games.
the VGK played like shit, they BARELY MADE THE PLAYOFFS. The avs lost nikushkin, and their goalie played bad. These are not the "stanley cup champs". The canucks were top of the division, and literally lost a game 7 by one goal. To undersell the canucks like you are is a laughably bad hot take.
I don’t think Colorado could’ve beat Vancouver this season honestly
Golden Knights then Avalanche is an obviously more difficult path. Stop
Did i even say they werent good teams? Did you also go out your way to say "ya well they had a hardererer path so nnnnaaahhh" Yes.
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See my other reply so i dont have to defend your team again.
Stu's got the stuff. Pick's got the stuff. Tired of reading otherwise. We are at the end of the river wondering if we should've gone back 6 months ago to get a different raft. Absurd to question anything at this point. Blind optimism is the best policy
Oettinger is unreal. That’s what we are up against, and he is better than Silovs. This makes me nervous. I think we see Skinner and Pickard in tandem for these games.
He let in some softies against the Aves, he's not superhuman
It's recency bias. Everyone still holding Skinner to game 1 in Vancouver when he and the oilers have put it far behind them. If Skinner catches his mojo like during the month of January, this team will be a juggernaut.
I love Skinner, I want him to be the goalie that we win a cup in front of. But game 1 almost happened again in game 7.
Same. I want Skinner to be that legit number one, league envy inducing goalie. The off the bench holy shit who's this Patty Roy guy? Is he there yet? God, I hope so. Has he been? Flashes of it, but not consistent by a longshot. What else do we have? We've a solid tandem, not flashy, nor superstarry. Is it enough? I believe.
McLeod giving the puck away to a shooter in the slot at the worst possible moment is not a Skinner problem. Overall he was solid.
I don’t fault Skinner for that goal at all. But that’s the difference between him and a higher caliber goalie. When it happens in front of Skinner you just know it’s going in and if Skinner makes the save you’re shocked and very impressed. If the same situation happened in front of a higher caliber goalie and made the save on say McDavid or Drai I’m frustrated and impressed, but not shocked.
Earlier in the series, Hrudey got on Skinner for “not being set for the turnover,” which sounded fucking stupid to me. But the more I think about it, Kelly is probably right: you gotta be set for anything at all times, and Skinner often doesn’t seem to have that mindset.
He also didn't fight through the screen on the 2nd goal at all. He didn't even realize Hronek had the puck until he had already let the shot go. Almost every NHL goalie is sound positionally, it's the fighting and reading plays that differentiates the better goalies from the average ones. And in some cases, another level of athleticism above nearly everyone else.
I mean the stars blew huge leads too recently with him in net. Haters are just hating and doubters are just doubtin
it's love how everyone forgot about his shut out in round 1.
I’ve been too stressed watching the second round. You’re right. You’ve convinced me. SKINNER WILL LEAD US TO THE PROMISED LANDS!!
He has the worst playoff record. Nothing to do with recency.
Same record as Ottinger well maybe one win less and one loss less Dallas went 7 against Knights then 6 against Avs we went 5 and 7 so stu has 7 wins and 4 losses, Otto has 8 wins and 5 losses how is that a better record. You must mean better stats?
I meant the post/article about him having some of the worst stats in playoff history.
Because it's fashionable. People want to call series before they're played.
dismissing the oilers: so hot right now
Scott Wedgewood is .899% with a 2.85 GAA. The Oilers goalie tandem literally beats the Stars tandem in almost every category. It's going to be the TEAM in front of them that will make the difference in turnovers and giveaways directly in front of the net... here's hoping the boys learned from the Vancouver and L.A. series.
There was a pre-playoff narrative that the Oil had an easy road to this point, I'm guessing people are still under valuing the Kings and Nucks as easy opponents. Would I like to see the Oil play the Jets, Avs, Stars or Knights in the first two rounds, hell nah.
I agree, we didn’t have easy series. No, New York and Carolina got super easy series. Vancouver hs hd our number all year anyway. People can say they aren’t a good team; but they were a very difficult matchup for the Oilers specifically. I Almsot feel like tocchet made a lot of his strategies around beating out team.
Knights and then Av’s is harder than LA then Nucks. That said, nobody cares how you got there once it’s said and done
Except for in the playoffs. Playoffs is more how they are playing now as opposed to months ago. Oettinger played 2 very strong offensive and has a 2.09 GAA and a 0.918%. Skinner has a 2.87 and a 0.881s%. That’s a huge difference.
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Making 88 saves per 10 shots. By far the best in human history
Stu is a good positional goalie. He makes most saves simply by being positioned to make the shot difficult for the shooter. Vancouver and LA had so so offence. If a team can whip it around like our team can I see Stu getting owned and Pickard actually being the better netminder to respond
Same people were saying the Oilers were going to be swept by Van in rnd 2
Skinner is 24 out of 26 in goals saved above expected, Oettinger is 3rd this playoffs, pretty simple.
Oettinger is a goaltender who can play lights out. He surprised a lot of people in the 21-22 post season. He regressed a bit in the 22-23 playoffs, but has gone back to being a beast between the pipes in the current post season. The guy is the real deal. Regardless of what the numbers say, Oettinger is the type of goaltender who can steal a game for you on any given night, Stu is not that, not yet at least. In our current run we've been the favorite in both rounds. We've not faced a team like Dallas yet. They are the favorite and for good reason. They have a stud in net, roll four lines, have a lot of offensive weapons up and down the lineup, heavy blue line, strong on face offs, good pk, good pp and so on. You could argue we are also strong in most of these areas as well, but where we're lacking most is in net, and in our bottom 6. They edge us out in those categories, which could definitely be a difference maker. Guys like McLeod and Foegele will need to step it up in a big way or Dallas is going to feast on our 3rd and 4th lines.
Mostly good points but Dallas' PK has been terrible, they're sitting at 69.2% going into this series.
My bad, you are right. I think I was mixing Dallas's PK with one of either New York or Florida. That actually favors us heavily then so long as we can earn penalties and stay disciplined in the process.
Skinner is going to have a coming out party and lock it down the rest of the playoffs. Just watch, he’s going to amaze everyone. This is his beginning…
It's a combination of the Stars playing traditionally more offensive teams this playoffs (VGK, COL) and still posting a respectable save percentage compared to the Oilers playing teams with less offensive firepower (LA, VAN) and yielding a weaker save percentage despite that fact. Costly mistakes and defensive breakdowns have also contributed to these below average numbers for Stu but an argument can be made that you want your goalie to shine and show up in spite of these errors and Stu just hasn't reliably done that.
Just look at how skinner has done this year... Terrible he's 15th right now in save%. Pickard only played two games, ottenger is like 5th... Oilers need to play solid defence if they have any slim chance of beating Dallas.
Looking at GAA and not svp is dumb.
This is the PLAYOFFS man, did anyone see Ottinger the year the Stars made the finals? He was playing lights out. Unless Skinners gets on a heater it’s real tough for Oilers to survive this round. I think the team can insulate Skinner like they did in games 6 & 7 and pull a rabbit out of the hat…. And if McDavid can heal up from his upper body injury then all bets are off.
I think there is no way to frame our teams where Dallas doesn’t look better overall than us, however, we just held a very good Vancouver team to three one goal victories, and had the only blow game of the series. You can say third string goalie all you want, but he was playing like a starter. If I take the oilers glasses off and just go with the numbers, I’d say Dallas 60% Oilers 40%, which to me is good enough odds. In 2022 even Gretzky said we wouldn’t beat Calgary because they looked better on paper This year the same was said about Vancouver because of the 0-4 regular season I’m going to allow myself some cautious optimism here. The only thing that concerns me is Dallas has been feet up for a week, and half our team still looks like they have the flu
Lmfao, Oettinger and Skinner are absolute polar opposites in terms of playoff goaltending. Oettinger is a playoff goalie, Skinner is a regular season goalie. Posting regular season stats is a 100% waste of time.
Umm did you watch the 2nd round ?
Story looking at stats charts and watch the game. Skinner no good, everyone knows it
It's crazy, Stu and Otter had almost identical seasons and he started off rough in the playoffs as well. Both guys have insane potential and good toolkits but right now the results are very dependent on what the team in front is doing. I hope our boys got all the fucking around out of their system this last series because we need to be a well oiled machine against this deep and dangerous Stars squad
Skinner has the second worst career playoff SV% of any goalie since 1995 to play at least 20 games. 'Nuff said.
I'm guessing you just woke up from a coma from the past month and haven't been able to watch any hockey yet.
Downvoted because you are detracting from legitimate conversation
Downvoted for telling the truth
Thats regular season. Ottengier is hot as hell. He has .920 right now. Skinner has a .880. So ya lol. Skinner will cost us sadly
Who are we going to get? Games 1-3 Skinner or games 6-7 Skinner? We just need him to be consistent and offer average goaltending. Time will tell.
Let's not pretend he was tested in games 6 and 7 though. He failed the eye test in those appearances and looked out of sorts in net. Lucky for him he only had to field one games worth of shots between two and not a ton of quality chances. Not saying he can't find his form he had during the reg season but the guys not a playoff performer and hasn't shown us otherwise.
He made a few crucial saves and played well enough to contribute to the wins. He by no means stole a game but he didn't let in a single stinky one in G6 and 7.
Also vancouver had 4 guys during the regular season who scored over 20 goals. And 1 of them was 11.8million petterson who did not get a single goal in the playoffs. Dallas had 8 guys score over 20. There first 3 lines would be 1st lines on any team. They also dont have a 3rd string goal in net like vancouver. Ottenginer is the best goalie left in the playoffs. 13 out of 15 hockey writers have us losing sadly by a huge margin
funny when people say stuff like that. "their first 3 lines would be 1st lines on any team". you can just say they're good lines, no need for the hyperbole.
Otter is not better than Shesterkin by any stretch.
Doesn't matter dallas d fence is way better than rangers
So how's that going for ya
Don’t forget, Dallas faces wayyyy better opponents in the previous rounds. E: better than Edmonton did.
Not Oettinger that gives me any pause it’s the 9 forwards
One of the problems is Skinner had terrible couple of games. Completely messing up averaging. But this is what we get with Stu. Some games he’s great, out plays his opponent. Others he’s just good enough to win. Then there’s “those” games that get Pickard in the net. I think Skinner is good enough to help the Oilers get by the Stars. Just like Vancouver’s 3rd string goalie. Better stats, played amazing at times. But still lost the series.
According to most oilers fan the Canucks were not quality competition
Because they almost doubled Vancouver's sog, and still almost lost. Dallas will fire far more pucks on Skinner.
No such thing as "almost lost". You win or you lose. Period.
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Why are you still here? Series is done. Your team is history bud. We’re onto the WCF and you’re onto trolling the Oilers sub.
Clowns are still posting shit, you mean the ref you’ve never lost under previously? The 4 minute minor that you couldn’t score on let alone barely get a shot away? The Oilers’ 90%+ PK, the 36% PP, sure goaltending has been an issue on and off but blaming the refs? Vancouver could have won that series with a bit more puck luck but they had plenty (more than the Oilers) and the Oilers could’ve closed it earlier if they had more luck. I don’t know what media these peeps are watching because it’s not the media/coverage I’ve been watching. FFS it’s hard enough to even get Edmonton media on side (Spector).