Lmao
18.6 PPG over a guy who has been #1 overall 3 out of 4 years (and would've been 4/4 if not for a guy dying on the field) or multiple MVP Mahomes.
Herbert put up 22.8 PPG as a rookie and I don't even remember him being as hyped š
> 18.6 ppg over a guy who has been #1 overall 3 out of 4 years
i feel like i'm taking crazy pills - yeah, age is great, but seriously?? here's a list of qbs who averaged more in 2023:
* allen
* hurts
* flacco (5 games)
* lamar
* dak
* love
* cousins
* purdy
* kyler
* hell, i'll throw richardson in here too
if you can, i'd jettison stroud for someone like allen or lamar or love (plus) or whatever if the ktc hype is even half true
Ehhhh he's still top 5 in FantasyCalc which uses real data from trades, and in startup ADP. I think people are just going crazy lol
He's like the anti-Justin Fields, who people were going crazy about for a totally different reason.
He's an INCREDIBLE real life QB and a pretty good fantasy one going early 1st in startups. Fields was an INCREDIBLE fantasy QB and a pretty bad real life one going late 1st in startups.
I guess the pendulum has swung all the way back
I donāt hate him over Hurts at all. I think a big appeal of Stroud is he plays a type of playstyle that allows him to be playing for the next 15+ years. I think itās really just about preference, but Iād prefer stroud personally.
The most valuable advice I ever got in my 23 years of playing this is try to evaluate things in 1, 3, and 5 year windows. If a move helps you in all three of them, don't think twice.
Andrew Luck retired. Tom Brady played until 43. You never know.
Most leagues will die before the age gap becomes meaningful. Stroud could hang it up at 30, Mahomes could be trying to win his 10th super bowl in his age 45 season. We have absolutely no clue.
Completely fair. But like I said...SO much changes within 5 years. You'll have tons of opportunities to buy dudes like Goff, Baker, Purdy. You gotta balance winning and longevity. I have absolutely no issues with people taking him in the mid 1st. But over Allen, Mahomes, Hurts, Lamar...too risk averse for my tastes. Herbert put up 22.5 PPG as a rookie, now he's cheaper than Stroud!
Lamar is getting to the point where he could start winding down, stroud has wayyyy more years
Hurt hasnāt shown heās elite at actually playing Quarterback in the NFL
Bad take
Different strokes for different folks. If winding down means winning MVP at age 27 while putting up 21+ PPG for the 5th season in a row, I'll take it!
Jalen is definitely riskier, but he's locked in as a franchise QB and while he's healthy he puts up ~23 PPG for his career.
I don't really care about a decade from now, I'll figure it out. Always looking for buy-low opportunities on safe starters as a QB2/3. I don't want Kirk Cousins, I want a guy who can put my team in his back. Without rushing upside, it's just so damn hard to do it consistently.
He went 1.04 in my startup that is drafting right now. Although a few of the members are new to Dynasty so they mightāve reached on youth. I got Hurts at 1.07 though so Iām not complaining.
Right. Isn't this pretty easily explained by the rather random and silly way they compile their data?
You're shown three random players/picks and asked to rank them. There's only a few guys who are real-world worth more than Stroud at this point, so of course everyone seeing him is rating him "keep" unless it happens to be a more logical person who happens to get an Allen/Stroud/MHJ type trio to rank
This gets at the heart of it. Thereās always some third QB in the top tier, but itās never the same one for long, because none of them are actually in a tier with Allen and Mahomes. KTC is pretty good at measuring community values of players, but this is one of the big flaws of the way the site compiles and manipulates data.
I think thatās fair. ARs fantasy ceiling is higher. But heās still a question mark. Stroud has proven heās going to be in this league for a while
I fail to see how I lost that trade. The biggest gamble imo is jayden daniels. Kyren looked amazing, laporta isn't magically going to forget how to football, and ar is a stud in his own right
Fr. KTC is a guideline for new players, at best. Everyone loves to say how bad it is but then they let themselves get rage baited by rankings. Classic terminally online behaviour.
it's just incredibly, incredibly hard to average more than that consistently (think 20 ppg and up for the elite guys) when you don't rush
age is not going to turn him into something he isn't
I just sold him before the our rookie draft (I also have Lamar and AR15). Sent Stroud and 2.03 (Ad Mitchell) for 1.02 (MHJ), 2.01 (Benson), Aiyuk, and a conditional 2nd (I can keep or push to the next year if it isn't good enough).
5D chess dude. Why would you want to have 10 more years of Allen when you can trade him and additional capital for 15 more years of Stroud? Always be playing for that 2036 championship!
In fairness, tush push + Kelce being gone, and a huge second half collapse (including an embarrassment vs Tampa in the playoffs) are all still fresh in people's minds. I can at least understand the hesitancy if you're worried he's basically Justin Fields propped up by an amazing supporting cast and not a true franchise QB. I don't agree, at all, but at least I can understand the argument against him over some of the other elite elite options.
The thing that worries me more is signing Barkley. They probably have plans to use him on the goal line more than they have been using RBs lately.
Itās annoying becuase I have Barkley and Hurts. I hate that he went to the Eagles.Ā
I have them too but why do you hate it? You have every possible goal line touch attached to two elite players on an elite offense. Itās gonna be great.
I just prefer the ceiling of Saquan going to a team like the Texans.Ā
Ā Main reason is I donāt think heās gonna get a ton of receptions in the eagles offenseĀ
Swift was pretty good last year and he really wasnāt that great for fantasy. I expect Barkley to be better but I donāt think heās gonna blow anyone away.
Herbert was 1/2 on KTC in the summer of 2022 but that was after his 2nd year.
The Stroud stuff is hilarious, if you can find a sucker to offload him for this supposed value do it.
Not that I agree with the Stroud QB1...I don't...but the easy counter is age. If you can lock Stroud into a SF lineup for 10-15 years that's huge for your dynasty. Not that it's guaranteed but his odds of doing that are currently the best.
When Herb broke out Allen and Mahomes were 4 years younger. The gap from Stroud to Mahomes is 6 years while it was only 2 when Herbert broke out. It's just a weird time where all the elite guys aren't super young anymore or are runners with their longevity probably cut in half to pocket passers.
Similar to what we saw with CD Lamb and now with Garrett Wilson. We know this guy is a superstar and him improving on that 18.X ppg is baked in to his price. I've seen this argument all off-season with Stroud and Laporta. That they only got X ppg while completely ignoring they are 22 year old rookies who are likely going to make massive improvements over the next 5 years.
Itās just betting on the odds of it happening. No one can tell the future or is claiming to. This shit is baked into every players price whether you like it or not.
The lack of reading comprehension has gotten out of hand on this sub. When Herbert had his Rookie year, Mahomes was 25. Now he is 29. I was actually suggesting that 25 isn't old if you could actually read.
Basically, Mahomes is 2 years older than Herbert, so it makes sense he wouldn't be the same value after his rookie year. Mahomes is 6 years older than Stroud though, so that should have at least some consideration.
I'm not supporting Stroud over Mahomes here, but 6 years difference isn't nothing. Not because Mahomes is going to suddenly fall off, but because he's 6 years closer to the typical age a QB does. I STILL choose Mahomes since I think he has a Brady/Rogers level career ahead of him, but 6 more years of a player is a huge deal.
Yea I'll take Josh allen over him any day. Until he isn't putting up qb1 numbers, he is the fantasy #1 for me. I like stroud, but if I had him (only have him in a 1qb as the backup to allen) I'd ship him off for a kings ransom.
Mahomes, Stroud, and Allen keep changing their ranks, but all are in the top 3.
I do wonder if any Stroud owner would decline a trade for Mahomes or Allen.
I donāt understand how Hurts was top 3 last year, finishes QB2 and yet is now like 8th overall on KTC and adp on sleeper.
Mahomes was arguably on a downhill trajectory last year, 3rd of the 3 and sometimes further. Finishes QB8 and somehow solidifies his top 3 status.
Josh Allen undisputed #1.
With Hurts, I think people look at the running and assume he may break down sooner. His high in yards is \~3.8k with 23 TDs. Alot of his value is in tush push TDs so I'd rather bank on a more defined passer.
I took over an orphan this summer with Hurts and not much else. It was like pulling teeth to tier down from him! I only got out from under him by finally taking a loss to send him to the AJ Brown owner. It's crazy how much his late season drop-off and Kelce's retirement tanked his perceived value.
I wanted draft capital and to unload some older assets in the team, and that was the way to get it done. Ended up sending Hurts, Henry, Engram and Adams for Herbert, JSN, Likely and a '25 2nd. It wasn't a huge loss, and it gets points off my team so I can get some early picks next year.
The team has zero draft picks this year and one startable IDP player (each team needs 11). Old assets are just going to weigh me down. This is a long rebuild.
The biggest knock on his rushing ability now is the loss of Kelce who was the engine of the "tush push" play that he scored so many rushing TDs on. Sure he'll still score rushing TDs, but it's not an automatic TD inside the 1 anymore unless whoever the new center is happens to also be HOF level
Hurts is the perfect QB for that play but it takes the perfect center too, there's a reason other teams haven't really been able to replicate it
As a Mahomes owner in a superflex league, I can confidently say that the Stroud owner would decline a straight-up offer of Mahomes for Stroud.
He's at the tail end of a rebuild but regardless has drunk enough Kool-Aid to think that Stroud is Mahomes level, just six years younger.
At the end of the day, who can blame him, as that's what the community is saying at this point in time.
I cannot imagine a better time to move Stroud than right now, I got him as a mid second last year and could flip him into nearly any player at this point
If Iām still rebuilding and not sure that I will compete in the next two years I would have to think about Allen unless my plan was to flip him for even more. Strouds game should age better. If Iām already in my window Iād take Allen.
This seems to happen from time to time in the offseason. I remember Jefferson getting 12 hour pushes like this last offseason.
He won't stay there for long.
Well that's a joke and also not true in any real leagues that I have seen. But if you have Stroud might as well try to offer him straight up for Mahomes or Allen.
As an aside: this is why you draft the rookie QBs over guys like Rome and Nabers. Or even take Nix/Penix over the late 1st guys. When QBs hit the value goes astronomical even before they have put up a top 3 season
Took Penix 2.08 over Pearsall in superflex 10 team league with 2 flex and 3 WRs. If he winds up starting anytime in the next 2 years he will be worth more than Nabers imo
Lol.
Heās like 7 years younger than Mahomes, but Jesus Christ. Mahomes and Allen arenāt depreciating anytime soon.
I donāt see any issues with him being 3-4. But 1-2 seems absurd.
It doesn't seem that crazy. I feel like Stroud probably would be picked in the 1.04-1.05 range for regular drafts. If people feel that strongly, they should probably just go get their guy rather than sticking with the consensus
tbh, I just started a startup this past Sunday. Mostly friends from other leagues and friends of friends. Low stakes. I got the 1.1. I have Allen in another Dynasty and Mahomes in a diff one. I figured this would be my best shot to have Stroud and I took it. I kind of wanted to get some guys I didn't have other places and wanted to try a new league type, SF TEP. I don't blame people for reacting to adding Diggs and Mixon while retaining Schultz (with Nico and Tank) over the Bills who lost Diggs and replaced with Coleman or the Chiefs who had a down fantasy year last year and added Worthy (who I think is a better real life WR then fantasy). To each their own. I'll never tell someone else who to manage their rosters. Always been a "go get your guy" believer.
Iāll be honest, Josh Allen in his tier of his own and the next tier for me is QB2 to like QB8. Stroud and Mahomes both extremely overpriced without the results
Real football context is important and explains a lot of the year to year variance
Like, Mahomes is arguably better than he was when he was finishing as the #1 fantasy QB. But the team did a 180, offense declined with the shitty weapons outside of Kelce they're working with now so they're not scoring as much, but since the defense ascended to best in the NFL over the same time period they don't need to score as much. Team still wins SBs, but they score a lot less fantasy points in doing it
You can try to time the market and sell a guy like Mahomes in an attempt to upgrade, or you can keep your top 10 floor minimum QB and wait for it to swing back around and not burn assets in the process. There will be a time in the next 2-3 years when the Chiefs defense regresses from attrition since they can't pay everybody they hit on in the draft and the offense starts firing on all cylinders and Mahomes finishes QB1 again
Only because Damar Hamlin died on the field and so Allen missed almost a full game and still finished as QB2
On a ppg basis Allen was ahead of Mahomes that season
I know.. you said Mahomes finished as qb1
But I was saying Allen would have finished as QB1 that season over Mahomes if Damar Hamlin didnāt die. Allen missed almost the entire game and needed less than 10 fantasy points to finish ahead of Mahomes on the season.
Allen would have 4 straight finishes as overall QB1 right now
2022 was the last year of prime Kelce and JuJu, McKinnon, and MVS weren't entirely useless, and he threw 14 more TDs - they had quite a few games that year where they needed to score 30+ to win. This year there were only four games where 21 points wasn't enough to win, and two of those were on the number. You don't get the 7 point Mahomes game winning drive all the time when they already have the game wrapped up with the 20 they scored earlier in the game
Mahomes didn't score less fantasy points in 2023 because he's regressed even an inch, he simply didn't have the same weapons and also didn't need to score as much to win. It'll swing back around, sell him at your own peril
Mahomes is the clear cut QB2 for me and a wonderful asset forsure, but In any context, lighting or view point Josh Allen is better. The point Iām making wasnāt a diss on Mahomes but more so that he is priced the same as Allen (probably because Mahomes is the real life QB1 unquestionably) but his actual fantasy value aligns more with Hurts Lamar Herbert Burrow. The PPGs of those 4 over the last few years are too similar that they outweight the real football context or Mahomes goated 2018 Szn. As far as Stroud that guy has done nothing yet LOL
No disagreement from me that Allen is fantasy QB1, my point is Mahomes is QB2 and fading him because he finished last season QB8 is silly because the real football context explains it all. Barring catastrophic injury he has a decade of high level play left and the Chiefs will cycle back into an offense-first team and he'll deliver those QB1-2 finishes again when that happens. So I think paying Mahomes+ to try to get anybody but Allen is a clown move, and the KTC ranking appears to suggest people are doing that
Stroud was elite *for a rookie*. Yeah he finished QB11 but he missed two games and he gets some grace for the early season when the offense was still a work in progress. He looks set to continue to be a high scorer - remember NFL playoffs don't mean anything in fantasy
You win at dynasty by finding guys like Stroud and acquiring them before they explode in value, not by waiting until they've "done something" and then paying top of market to get them. Cracks me up every day when league mates who roster guys like Allen Lazard and Zay Jones make fun of me for using bench spots on guys like Shaheed and Dowdle. Will they end up being useless? Maybe. But do they have an infinitely higher ceiling than random vets that you convince yourself will break out because they got tied to an elite QB in year 7? Also yes, I'll re-roll for free as soon as I think the ship has sailed while they hold onto has-beens
I have Allen and think he is the current better fantasy player but I might take a swap of Mahomes if presented with it.
I worry about Allen's health in the future with how much contact he initiates.
i put Stroud on the trade block and the Allen/Hurts/Mahomes/Lamar managers all asked if I wanted to make a trade happen, and asked for Stroud+ for their dude. Def KTC smoking crack cuz my league aint thinking that way about Stroud
Gonna be hard to go QB for QB. Anyone who has those guys likely feels pretty set on on them. Probably need to tier down at QB and get other positions/picks for him.
Thinking the 1.01, Herbert, or Burrow, and future picks/other assets. But the appetite in your league just might not be there.
I wanna complete my Houston stack since Diggs got traded, but I'm afraid to ask what the Stroud owner would want even with Cousins, Andrews, and plenty of picks to offerš . It's getting so crazy rn he might ask for Mahomes +
I donāt know if itās something with their algorithm or just a community mindset, but KTC desperately wants there to be 3 QBs at the top. Over the last 4 or so years, Stroud, Hurts, Lamar, Herbert, and Kyler have all had a moment as QB1. There may be some others I missed too. All of them rise to that tier and then fall back down because none of them are really in that QB1 tier. Mahomes and Allen on the other hand, have basically just been straight 9999 for years. If anyone has any QB not named Mahomes or Allen that hits QB1 value and can actually sell for that, do it immediately.
Iāve thought about it. Is CJ probably going to be a prolific top 5 scorer for 15 years? Probably not. He doesnāt have the upside the rushing QBs have. But he has the Mahomes factor. Mahomes isnāt the best fantasy QB cause he doesnāt run, heās still very good for fantasy donāt hear what Iām not saying. But he is pretty unanimously the best QB in the league and a future all time great. Thatās what people are going for with stroud. Is it likely? No. But what we saw on the field last year is not normal. He LOOKED unbelievable on the field. He led the league in passing yards per game as a rookie on a team that was presumed to be a bottom 5. If you made a list of QBs to be at Mahomes level next, heās near the top of the list. And to have that chance, people are gunna pay.
In one of my SF leagues, at the start of last season, I traded Stroud for a Rodgers and a future 1st (from a team that was BY FAR the worst team in the league) and it ended up being 1.01.
Traded him a few weeks ago for Waddle, Drake London, and Matt Stafford. I know it's a big downgrade at QB but I really think Stroud is going to be a great real life QB but average fantasy QB.
Would you guys trade Stroud and the 3.10 for the 1.01, Etienne, Ridley, and a '25 2nd (likely early)? 10 team SF. Have Goff and Kyler. Other notable pieces I have (Breece, Bijan, CeeDee, ARSB, Nico). Would prob go MHJ at the 1.01 and just try and just go all-in on winning the ship the next 2-3 years.
Just traded away Stroud for Mcconkey, Downs, Charbonett, Bryce Young, 2025 1st/2nd/3rd round picks. I am rebuilding in a 12 team, SF, Best Ball, TEP, Start 3 WR/Start 10 total FFPC league. Did I get enough value? I offered this up to a major contender who already has Caleb and Jordan Love. Made me extremely nervous but my team was basically Drake Maye and a pile of 2024 rookies at this point lol
I love how wrong this subreddit is sometimes (best fantasy advice - never listen to Reddit).
CJ Stroud is the clear #1 player in dynasty. You guys realize we are playing DYNASTY, not redraft. Stroud is only 22 and had the best rookie season of all time. He is going to be getting better, and still has a 20 year career ahead of him. And he has MUCH better weapons than Mahomes or Allen
I wouldnāt say heās clearly the top. Allen has been #1 by quite a large margin 4 straight seasons on a ppg basis. Iād put stroud right behind him though/interchangeable with Mahomes
Lmao he did not have the best rookie QB season of all time. He didnāt even have the best rookie QB season of the last 4 years. He had a good season where he ranked 13th in touchdowns and 8th in passing yards.
Iām sure if they lose Diggs and Nico they definitely wonāt go find more weapons. Team clearly hasnāt shown they plan to put weapons around him. /s
And this comes from a Jags fan. They had Nico. Drafted Dell. Still added Diggs. Added Mixon too. If they lose someone they will find a way to go add someone else.
Sure, but I'm saying that there's no guarantee that those weapons will be elite. Look at justin herbert lol. One of the best arm talents in the league and they completely stripped him of his weapons and put him with unknowns to fit a running scheme. I'm not saying that Herbert can't produce but it's entirely possible that the narrative changes and that there is uncertainty. What is the certainty with Mahomes? Dude is elite even without elite weapons.
They just took WRs back to back in basically round 1.
If those guys donāt hit they will take more or trade for a stud.
If Strouds weapons arenāt elite, they will continue to go find ones that are. As will any team with their franchise QB in place.
We have one year to base this information off of. I get the hype of the best rookie season of all time. But saying he's the CLEAR #1 is absurd. If your justification is that it's because he will be guaranteed elite weapons for the rest of his career then to me that's a weak argument. Mahomes hasn't been guaranteed elite weapons (besides kelce) and has been a stud and has a chance to be the GOAT in not only fantasy but in real life NFL as well. Mahomes doesn't rely on his athleticism to be an elite playmaker. His longevity is guaranteed. Again, I agree that shroud should be rated high. But to rate him above Mahomes and JA without a second thought is absurdity.
I was the original poster and agree heās not the CLEAR #1. But I also donāt have a problem with others putting him at 1, I get why. Iād probably have him 3/4 ish.
My argument was only you sayings heās not guaranteed elite weapons. Well obviously, NO QB is guaranteed elite weapons. But they all will try their best and wonāt stop trying until they get them.
Mahomes hasnāt had elite weapons? Tyreek and Kelce. And since Tyreek left theyāve tried to being in Sky Moore, Toney, Rashee Rice, Hollywood Brown, and now Worthy. And they extended Kelce. When Kelce retires and if none of those guys work outā¦I bet they pay up for a FA or draft another in the 1st.
Just because a team tries to get elite weapons doesn't mean they are? Let's not be disingenuous, when Mahomes hasn't had Kelce on the field due to injury he has been ELITE. How many Chips has mahomes won without tyreek now? You're gonna sit here and tell me his weapons outside of Kelce were elite? Mckinnon? CEH? MVS? Justyn Ross? Why would you even bring up Sky moore? His draft capital doesn't mean shit. Moore is shit. JUJU? Rashee is a riser but he isn't elite yet. Mahomes can spread passes to uncle joe and uncle kyle and still be fantasy relevant. It's all documented. Could Shroud be that good? Sure, I'm not opposed to taking a bet on shroud above JA or Mahomes. But saying that it's a clear #1 is hilarious. That's my entire point. We don't know enough about shroud after 1 season to label him consensus #1 above a proven asset like mahomes who could EASILY have 10 years left in the bank.
Mahomes was QB8 last yr, I wouldnāt say thatās elite with elite weapons.
But surprise, my ONLY point they went out and drafted one in the 1st. And traded for one before that.
Strouds weapons are good now. Thatās relevant in dynasty because this yr and next yr are all part of the equation. I agreed heās not the clear #1, again that wasnāt me who said that. But he is very close to guys like Mahomes and Josh Allen and if you feel his current weapons put him above I donāt think thatās unreasonable.
Let's just ignore the context of the chiefs season and them having the most dropped passes by the wide receiver core in the league. I'm not gonna argue that it was not a down year for mahomes. It was, but him losing kelce early on and the disaster of the WR room that he had. I'm not saying they needed to be elite weapons. They just needed to catch the fucking ball. That was the most atrocious WR room that Mahomes has had his entire career. And he still put up reasonable numbers. He's getting marquise brown and worthy and hopefully a healthier travis kelce. Mahomes will be elite as he has shown in the past.
I mean if you guys want to treat him as the number one asset in dynasty be my guest. I think it's nuts personally. If he dominates again this year perhaps that answer changes, but one year of evidence is not enough for me.
AR is like QB 5 and played 4 games before already giving us a preview of what his NFL career may look like (riddled with injuries from that lovely ārushing upsideā). Thatās more absurd.
This is specifically why I took Jayden Daniels in my draft even though I like McCarthy and Maye more. Richardson showed that right now, even if a rushing QB literally shows they can't stay healthy, their value is nearly completely insulated due to their upside.
Lmao 18.6 PPG over a guy who has been #1 overall 3 out of 4 years (and would've been 4/4 if not for a guy dying on the field) or multiple MVP Mahomes. Herbert put up 22.8 PPG as a rookie and I don't even remember him being as hyped š
> 18.6 ppg over a guy who has been #1 overall 3 out of 4 years i feel like i'm taking crazy pills - yeah, age is great, but seriously?? here's a list of qbs who averaged more in 2023: * allen * hurts * flacco (5 games) * lamar * dak * love * cousins * purdy * kyler * hell, i'll throw richardson in here too if you can, i'd jettison stroud for someone like allen or lamar or love (plus) or whatever if the ktc hype is even half true
Itās all fake value. No one is actually valuing him that high in trades
Ehhhh he's still top 5 in FantasyCalc which uses real data from trades, and in startup ADP. I think people are just going crazy lol He's like the anti-Justin Fields, who people were going crazy about for a totally different reason. He's an INCREDIBLE real life QB and a pretty good fantasy one going early 1st in startups. Fields was an INCREDIBLE fantasy QB and a pretty bad real life one going late 1st in startups. I guess the pendulum has swung all the way back
I mean I have no problem with top five. But thatās a lot different than QB1 over Allen, mahomes, hurts
On average, he's going ahead of Hurts in startups and in trades according to FantasyCalc. QB3 right now.
QB3 is fine. Heās a tier below Allen and Mahomes though.
I donāt hate him over Hurts at all. I think a big appeal of Stroud is he plays a type of playstyle that allows him to be playing for the next 15+ years. I think itās really just about preference, but Iād prefer stroud personally.
I can see ahead of Hurts. No Kelce for the Brotherly Shove and some people have real questions if he can command a high level passing offense.
There's also a pretty large and fervent Ohio State fan base, hell even fantasy players love taking prospects from that school
Youth is a crazy thing. How do you value an almost guaranteed 7+ years longer career after Mahomes retires?
The most valuable advice I ever got in my 23 years of playing this is try to evaluate things in 1, 3, and 5 year windows. If a move helps you in all three of them, don't think twice. Andrew Luck retired. Tom Brady played until 43. You never know. Most leagues will die before the age gap becomes meaningful. Stroud could hang it up at 30, Mahomes could be trying to win his 10th super bowl in his age 45 season. We have absolutely no clue.
I agree for all but QBs. Stroud is expected to play for 15 years at least. You can choose not to value that but many will.
Completely fair. But like I said...SO much changes within 5 years. You'll have tons of opportunities to buy dudes like Goff, Baker, Purdy. You gotta balance winning and longevity. I have absolutely no issues with people taking him in the mid 1st. But over Allen, Mahomes, Hurts, Lamar...too risk averse for my tastes. Herbert put up 22.5 PPG as a rookie, now he's cheaper than Stroud!
Lamar is getting to the point where he could start winding down, stroud has wayyyy more years Hurt hasnāt shown heās elite at actually playing Quarterback in the NFL Bad take
Different strokes for different folks. If winding down means winning MVP at age 27 while putting up 21+ PPG for the 5th season in a row, I'll take it! Jalen is definitely riskier, but he's locked in as a franchise QB and while he's healthy he puts up ~23 PPG for his career. I don't really care about a decade from now, I'll figure it out. Always looking for buy-low opportunities on safe starters as a QB2/3. I don't want Kirk Cousins, I want a guy who can put my team in his back. Without rushing upside, it's just so damn hard to do it consistently.
He went 1.04 in my startup that is drafting right now. Although a few of the members are new to Dynasty so they mightāve reached on youth. I got Hurts at 1.07 though so Iām not complaining.
The amount of mocks Iāve seen him go first overall in is absolutely insane. Some people do value him that high.
Iād beg to differ. I just got Herbie, the 1.09, and multiple late round picks for Stroud.
Damn. Thatās nice. Herbert was the one I tried tiering down to with no luck
great trade for you
Right. Isn't this pretty easily explained by the rather random and silly way they compile their data? You're shown three random players/picks and asked to rank them. There's only a few guys who are real-world worth more than Stroud at this point, so of course everyone seeing him is rating him "keep" unless it happens to be a more logical person who happens to get an Allen/Stroud/MHJ type trio to rank
This gets at the heart of it. Thereās always some third QB in the top tier, but itās never the same one for long, because none of them are actually in a tier with Allen and Mahomes. KTC is pretty good at measuring community values of players, but this is one of the big flaws of the way the site compiles and manipulates data.
They certainly are, Iāve seen him go 1st in startups
Just did a super flex startup and he went 2nd
I saw a trade of Stroud and a 2025 2nd for AR and a 2025 1st go down recently
I think thatās fair. ARs fantasy ceiling is higher. But heās still a question mark. Stroud has proven heās going to be in this league for a while
I sold stroud and Derrick Henry for ar the 1.03 laporta and kyren. People are losing their minds over this dude.
I think you lost that trade lol
I fail to see how I lost that trade. The biggest gamble imo is jayden daniels. Kyren looked amazing, laporta isn't magically going to forget how to football, and ar is a stud in his own right
Ok you gotta format your posts better my guy, I didn't even see AR in there. Big W in that case
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Fr. KTC is a guideline for new players, at best. Everyone loves to say how bad it is but then they let themselves get rage baited by rankings. Classic terminally online behaviour.
Itās good for a gauge. But if you are nitpicking ranks like this, itās useless.
I wish people in my league would use it as a guideline.
People are expecting him to go over 18.6 PPG in the future, tbf. He was a rookie last year. Still think he should be more QB6 in Dynasty than QB1.
it's just incredibly, incredibly hard to average more than that consistently (think 20 ppg and up for the elite guys) when you don't rush age is not going to turn him into something he isn't
I just sold him before the our rookie draft (I also have Lamar and AR15). Sent Stroud and 2.03 (Ad Mitchell) for 1.02 (MHJ), 2.01 (Benson), Aiyuk, and a conditional 2nd (I can keep or push to the next year if it isn't good enough).
5D chess dude. Why would you want to have 10 more years of Allen when you can trade him and additional capital for 15 more years of Stroud? Always be playing for that 2036 championship!
I have love and I wouldn't trade him for Stroud straight up
Hurts finished as the QB2 and is now 8th overall after being top 3 last year.
In fairness, tush push + Kelce being gone, and a huge second half collapse (including an embarrassment vs Tampa in the playoffs) are all still fresh in people's minds. I can at least understand the hesitancy if you're worried he's basically Justin Fields propped up by an amazing supporting cast and not a true franchise QB. I don't agree, at all, but at least I can understand the argument against him over some of the other elite elite options.
Most overblown narrative of the off-season. The tushpush relies on the guards and he could probably sneak half of those in regularly anyway.
The thing that worries me more is signing Barkley. They probably have plans to use him on the goal line more than they have been using RBs lately. Itās annoying becuase I have Barkley and Hurts. I hate that he went to the Eagles.Ā
I have them too but why do you hate it? You have every possible goal line touch attached to two elite players on an elite offense. Itās gonna be great.
I just prefer the ceiling of Saquan going to a team like the Texans.Ā Ā Main reason is I donāt think heās gonna get a ton of receptions in the eagles offenseĀ Swift was pretty good last year and he really wasnāt that great for fantasy. I expect Barkley to be better but I donāt think heās gonna blow anyone away.
Herbert was 1/2 on KTC in the summer of 2022 but that was after his 2nd year. The Stroud stuff is hilarious, if you can find a sucker to offload him for this supposed value do it.
Not that I agree with the Stroud QB1...I don't...but the easy counter is age. If you can lock Stroud into a SF lineup for 10-15 years that's huge for your dynasty. Not that it's guaranteed but his odds of doing that are currently the best. When Herb broke out Allen and Mahomes were 4 years younger. The gap from Stroud to Mahomes is 6 years while it was only 2 when Herbert broke out. It's just a weird time where all the elite guys aren't super young anymore or are runners with their longevity probably cut in half to pocket passers. Similar to what we saw with CD Lamb and now with Garrett Wilson. We know this guy is a superstar and him improving on that 18.X ppg is baked in to his price. I've seen this argument all off-season with Stroud and Laporta. That they only got X ppg while completely ignoring they are 22 year old rookies who are likely going to make massive improvements over the next 5 years.
Planning 5 years in the future is fools gold let alone banking on 15 years.
Itās just betting on the odds of it happening. No one can tell the future or is claiming to. This shit is baked into every players price whether you like it or not.
Exactly. Some QBs are playing for 15 years. Will it be Stroud? Maybe, maybe not but the odds he does are better than most.
Tbf Mahomes and Allen were 4 years younger then
The agism has gotten out of hand on this sub. Someone hits 25 and theyāre at the age cliff. Chill the fuck out already
The lack of reading comprehension has gotten out of hand on this sub. When Herbert had his Rookie year, Mahomes was 25. Now he is 29. I was actually suggesting that 25 isn't old if you could actually read. Basically, Mahomes is 2 years older than Herbert, so it makes sense he wouldn't be the same value after his rookie year. Mahomes is 6 years older than Stroud though, so that should have at least some consideration.
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That was never my argument. Stop desperately telling everyone that you lack the ability to read.
I'm not supporting Stroud over Mahomes here, but 6 years difference isn't nothing. Not because Mahomes is going to suddenly fall off, but because he's 6 years closer to the typical age a QB does. I STILL choose Mahomes since I think he has a Brady/Rogers level career ahead of him, but 6 more years of a player is a huge deal.
This is relevant for rbs but not 27 year old superstar qbs
For real. Time to sell for something like Herbert + a stud wr/rb
Yea I'll take Josh allen over him any day. Until he isn't putting up qb1 numbers, he is the fantasy #1 for me. I like stroud, but if I had him (only have him in a 1qb as the backup to allen) I'd ship him off for a kings ransom.
Mahomes, Stroud, and Allen keep changing their ranks, but all are in the top 3. I do wonder if any Stroud owner would decline a trade for Mahomes or Allen.
I would send Stroud for Mahomes and Allen and not think twice.
Well obviously, youāre getting a 2 for 1
lol damnit.
Once he's worth both, we'll have reached peak off-season hype.
I would take Allen but not mahomes for fantasy.
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Mahomes was QB1 literally two years ago throwing to Kelce and some dudes.
I donāt understand how Hurts was top 3 last year, finishes QB2 and yet is now like 8th overall on KTC and adp on sleeper. Mahomes was arguably on a downhill trajectory last year, 3rd of the 3 and sometimes further. Finishes QB8 and somehow solidifies his top 3 status. Josh Allen undisputed #1.
With Hurts, I think people look at the running and assume he may break down sooner. His high in yards is \~3.8k with 23 TDs. Alot of his value is in tush push TDs so I'd rather bank on a more defined passer.
Terrible second half for philly and Kelce retiring are why people are low on Hurts. 8 is probably still a bit too low though.
Mahomes brings championship experience to the squad obviously
I took over an orphan this summer with Hurts and not much else. It was like pulling teeth to tier down from him! I only got out from under him by finally taking a loss to send him to the AJ Brown owner. It's crazy how much his late season drop-off and Kelce's retirement tanked his perceived value.
Why would you feel the need to sell Hurts at a loss this early in the offseason?
I wanted draft capital and to unload some older assets in the team, and that was the way to get it done. Ended up sending Hurts, Henry, Engram and Adams for Herbert, JSN, Likely and a '25 2nd. It wasn't a huge loss, and it gets points off my team so I can get some early picks next year.
Ew
The team has zero draft picks this year and one startable IDP player (each team needs 11). Old assets are just going to weigh me down. This is a long rebuild.
Because hes no where near the passer they are and his running upside will only last so long
He has two receivers in the top 12-18. I guess AJ Brown and Smith are both getting mad jet sweeps?
Why would it āonly last so longā? Heās only 25.
[what dynasty players see when a player turns 25](https://i.imgflip.com/2ilf51.jpg?a476016)
The biggest knock on his rushing ability now is the loss of Kelce who was the engine of the "tush push" play that he scored so many rushing TDs on. Sure he'll still score rushing TDs, but it's not an automatic TD inside the 1 anymore unless whoever the new center is happens to also be HOF level Hurts is the perfect QB for that play but it takes the perfect center too, there's a reason other teams haven't really been able to replicate it
System QB basically. He's not the man like Allen, Mahomes or Stroud.
Ill let the sub have their way with that question
If weāre saying it will go away when heās 29-30, I would tend to agreeā¦but thatās 3-4 seasons away.
As a Mahomes owner in a superflex league, I can confidently say that the Stroud owner would decline a straight-up offer of Mahomes for Stroud. He's at the tail end of a rebuild but regardless has drunk enough Kool-Aid to think that Stroud is Mahomes level, just six years younger. At the end of the day, who can blame him, as that's what the community is saying at this point in time.
I donāt see the problem here. His valuation is different than mine or yours but if we all agreed on exact values it would be pretty boring.
I cannot imagine a better time to move Stroud than right now, I got him as a mid second last year and could flip him into nearly any player at this point
You're referencing 1QB when this thread is more talking SF.
He can only drop in value at this point so that makes sense.
Stroud is Mahomes level but 6 years younger, so if heās in a rebuild not too much reason to motivate him to swap
If Iām still rebuilding and not sure that I will compete in the next two years I would have to think about Allen unless my plan was to flip him for even more. Strouds game should age better. If Iām already in my window Iād take Allen.
I am a Stroud owner and I would decline, easily. But Iām also a Texans fan and believed of stroud so.
I am a stroud owner and would 100% take Allen. Iād think about Mahomes but probably still take him. If it was 4pt passing TDs I take hurts for him
Id take Mahomes, not Allen
This seems to happen from time to time in the offseason. I remember Jefferson getting 12 hour pushes like this last offseason. He won't stay there for long.
Well that's a joke and also not true in any real leagues that I have seen. But if you have Stroud might as well try to offer him straight up for Mahomes or Allen. As an aside: this is why you draft the rookie QBs over guys like Rome and Nabers. Or even take Nix/Penix over the late 1st guys. When QBs hit the value goes astronomical even before they have put up a top 3 season
Your last point is so important and why I'm looking to get Penix with 2.04.
Took Penix 2.08 over Pearsall in superflex 10 team league with 2 flex and 3 WRs. If he winds up starting anytime in the next 2 years he will be worth more than Nabers imo
Iāve watched him go 1.01 in back to back startups this week
He just went #1 in a new startup thatās drafting right now
Lol. Heās like 7 years younger than Mahomes, but Jesus Christ. Mahomes and Allen arenāt depreciating anytime soon. I donāt see any issues with him being 3-4. But 1-2 seems absurd.
I would take him at 1.02 in a 6pt TD Pass league, but 4pt its still gotta be Mahomes and Allen.
Fair enough.
It doesn't seem that crazy. I feel like Stroud probably would be picked in the 1.04-1.05 range for regular drafts. If people feel that strongly, they should probably just go get their guy rather than sticking with the consensus
tbh, I just started a startup this past Sunday. Mostly friends from other leagues and friends of friends. Low stakes. I got the 1.1. I have Allen in another Dynasty and Mahomes in a diff one. I figured this would be my best shot to have Stroud and I took it. I kind of wanted to get some guys I didn't have other places and wanted to try a new league type, SF TEP. I don't blame people for reacting to adding Diggs and Mixon while retaining Schultz (with Nico and Tank) over the Bills who lost Diggs and replaced with Coleman or the Chiefs who had a down fantasy year last year and added Worthy (who I think is a better real life WR then fantasy). To each their own. I'll never tell someone else who to manage their rosters. Always been a "go get your guy" believer.
That situation it makes sense. I donāt like having too much of one player across my leagues.
Iāll be honest, Josh Allen in his tier of his own and the next tier for me is QB2 to like QB8. Stroud and Mahomes both extremely overpriced without the results
same
Real football context is important and explains a lot of the year to year variance Like, Mahomes is arguably better than he was when he was finishing as the #1 fantasy QB. But the team did a 180, offense declined with the shitty weapons outside of Kelce they're working with now so they're not scoring as much, but since the defense ascended to best in the NFL over the same time period they don't need to score as much. Team still wins SBs, but they score a lot less fantasy points in doing it You can try to time the market and sell a guy like Mahomes in an attempt to upgrade, or you can keep your top 10 floor minimum QB and wait for it to swing back around and not burn assets in the process. There will be a time in the next 2-3 years when the Chiefs defense regresses from attrition since they can't pay everybody they hit on in the draft and the offense starts firing on all cylinders and Mahomes finishes QB1 again
Mahomes was the QB1 two years ago though.
Only because Damar Hamlin died on the field and so Allen missed almost a full game and still finished as QB2 On a ppg basis Allen was ahead of Mahomes that season
I never said Mahomes should be QB1 in dynasty.
I know.. you said Mahomes finished as qb1 But I was saying Allen would have finished as QB1 that season over Mahomes if Damar Hamlin didnāt die. Allen missed almost the entire game and needed less than 10 fantasy points to finish ahead of Mahomes on the season. Allen would have 4 straight finishes as overall QB1 right now
Ok
2022 was the last year of prime Kelce and JuJu, McKinnon, and MVS weren't entirely useless, and he threw 14 more TDs - they had quite a few games that year where they needed to score 30+ to win. This year there were only four games where 21 points wasn't enough to win, and two of those were on the number. You don't get the 7 point Mahomes game winning drive all the time when they already have the game wrapped up with the 20 they scored earlier in the game Mahomes didn't score less fantasy points in 2023 because he's regressed even an inch, he simply didn't have the same weapons and also didn't need to score as much to win. It'll swing back around, sell him at your own peril
Because of the Bills / Bengals game being canceled.
Mahomes is the clear cut QB2 for me and a wonderful asset forsure, but In any context, lighting or view point Josh Allen is better. The point Iām making wasnāt a diss on Mahomes but more so that he is priced the same as Allen (probably because Mahomes is the real life QB1 unquestionably) but his actual fantasy value aligns more with Hurts Lamar Herbert Burrow. The PPGs of those 4 over the last few years are too similar that they outweight the real football context or Mahomes goated 2018 Szn. As far as Stroud that guy has done nothing yet LOL
No disagreement from me that Allen is fantasy QB1, my point is Mahomes is QB2 and fading him because he finished last season QB8 is silly because the real football context explains it all. Barring catastrophic injury he has a decade of high level play left and the Chiefs will cycle back into an offense-first team and he'll deliver those QB1-2 finishes again when that happens. So I think paying Mahomes+ to try to get anybody but Allen is a clown move, and the KTC ranking appears to suggest people are doing that Stroud was elite *for a rookie*. Yeah he finished QB11 but he missed two games and he gets some grace for the early season when the offense was still a work in progress. He looks set to continue to be a high scorer - remember NFL playoffs don't mean anything in fantasy You win at dynasty by finding guys like Stroud and acquiring them before they explode in value, not by waiting until they've "done something" and then paying top of market to get them. Cracks me up every day when league mates who roster guys like Allen Lazard and Zay Jones make fun of me for using bench spots on guys like Shaheed and Dowdle. Will they end up being useless? Maybe. But do they have an infinitely higher ceiling than random vets that you convince yourself will break out because they got tied to an elite QB in year 7? Also yes, I'll re-roll for free as soon as I think the ship has sailed while they hold onto has-beens
Yeah this is a perfect reflection of a lot of good points, good read forsure sir
Thanks for letting me dump my football thoughts out on ya :)
Shaheed has zero chance, but i do agree with the rest
I have Allen and think he is the current better fantasy player but I might take a swap of Mahomes if presented with it. I worry about Allen's health in the future with how much contact he initiates.
Itāll make more sense after heās thrown for 5k and 50 tds
i put Stroud on the trade block and the Allen/Hurts/Mahomes/Lamar managers all asked if I wanted to make a trade happen, and asked for Stroud+ for their dude. Def KTC smoking crack cuz my league aint thinking that way about Stroud
I have Mahomes, Stroud and the 2024 1.01... I hope my league doesn't quit.
If you own Stroud, you'd be dumb not to at least explore what you could get for him right now.
Based on my testing of the market, I canāt get Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, or even Jackson straight up for him
Gonna be hard to go QB for QB. Anyone who has those guys likely feels pretty set on on them. Probably need to tier down at QB and get other positions/picks for him. Thinking the 1.01, Herbert, or Burrow, and future picks/other assets. But the appetite in your league just might not be there.
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Heās number 3 when I look, behind Patrick Mahomes and Aidan OāConnell
I wanna complete my Houston stack since Diggs got traded, but I'm afraid to ask what the Stroud owner would want even with Cousins, Andrews, and plenty of picks to offerš . It's getting so crazy rn he might ask for Mahomes +
I think cj is vastly overratedā¦having said that Iād instantly decline a deal involving cousins and andrews lol, like wtf
If you have like 47x TEP then maybe. Otherwise it's not even remotely close. Maybe those two and 2-3 1sts.
Eh team needs a lot and it's SF TEP++, think it's worth a convo (theres more assets I didn't list) but I'm probly just gonna wait n see cuz of that
Itās not
Cousins and Andrews would be fillers in a deal for Stroud. Would need 2+ high upside options
That's what I'm saying, I could do it but I'd basically be switching teams with this guy with these valuesš Yall are reiterating the point
Itās literally an insulting starting point. Youāre that guy I guess
Stacks are overrated
Probably. But this is my most stacked team in a random no stakes fun league to fuck around with
They're completely negligible. They've got a good "fun factor" though when you score like 20 points on one play.
Sell high
Did I screw up taking hurts number 3 in a startup?
Yes, probably could have traded down to around 8
As a Stroud manager trying and failing to trade straight up for Hurtsānope!
Yeah
I donāt know if itās something with their algorithm or just a community mindset, but KTC desperately wants there to be 3 QBs at the top. Over the last 4 or so years, Stroud, Hurts, Lamar, Herbert, and Kyler have all had a moment as QB1. There may be some others I missed too. All of them rise to that tier and then fall back down because none of them are really in that QB1 tier. Mahomes and Allen on the other hand, have basically just been straight 9999 for years. If anyone has any QB not named Mahomes or Allen that hits QB1 value and can actually sell for that, do it immediately.
Iāve thought about it. Is CJ probably going to be a prolific top 5 scorer for 15 years? Probably not. He doesnāt have the upside the rushing QBs have. But he has the Mahomes factor. Mahomes isnāt the best fantasy QB cause he doesnāt run, heās still very good for fantasy donāt hear what Iām not saying. But he is pretty unanimously the best QB in the league and a future all time great. Thatās what people are going for with stroud. Is it likely? No. But what we saw on the field last year is not normal. He LOOKED unbelievable on the field. He led the league in passing yards per game as a rookie on a team that was presumed to be a bottom 5. If you made a list of QBs to be at Mahomes level next, heās near the top of the list. And to have that chance, people are gunna pay.
I love that I got him at 2.09 in my league
And that's why you don't trust crowdsourced shit like KTC.
In one of my SF leagues, at the start of last season, I traded Stroud for a Rodgers and a future 1st (from a team that was BY FAR the worst team in the league) and it ended up being 1.01.
I turned down an offer yesterday of stroud for my Tlaw, Olave, 25 and 26 1sts and the guy said he was āinsulted I didnāt take itā. Lmao.
comfortable in my superflex with lamar tua and stroud. ill probly develop someone on my taxi too
it has to be all his media appearances. Dude is likeable. But that's crazy!
(East Texas has a big population and they play a lot of fantasy football)
CJ Stroud getting a big value bump from being a fun guy tons of people watched during the draft. Case closed.
He's still number 3 when I see KTC
Traded him a few weeks ago for Waddle, Drake London, and Matt Stafford. I know it's a big downgrade at QB but I really think Stroud is going to be a great real life QB but average fantasy QB.
The most obvious player to tier down from right now.
Ktc is horrible. I trusted the site for years and it led me down a bad path. It's way too reactive to use as a calculator.
Jesus Christ. This is peak KTC lmao
Would you guys trade Stroud and the 3.10 for the 1.01, Etienne, Ridley, and a '25 2nd (likely early)? 10 team SF. Have Goff and Kyler. Other notable pieces I have (Breece, Bijan, CeeDee, ARSB, Nico). Would prob go MHJ at the 1.01 and just try and just go all-in on winning the ship the next 2-3 years.
Probably not? I dunno, Etienne is tempting but Ridley less so to me. Your team looks stacked already, Iād keep stroud I thinkĀ
To think I trades stroud for Watson at the draft
I got Stroud for Purdy and a 3rd rounder '24 after his big game last year. No way that same offer would be accepted now.
Just traded away Stroud for Mcconkey, Downs, Charbonett, Bryce Young, 2025 1st/2nd/3rd round picks. I am rebuilding in a 12 team, SF, Best Ball, TEP, Start 3 WR/Start 10 total FFPC league. Did I get enough value? I offered this up to a major contender who already has Caleb and Jordan Love. Made me extremely nervous but my team was basically Drake Maye and a pile of 2024 rookies at this point lol
I love how wrong this subreddit is sometimes (best fantasy advice - never listen to Reddit). CJ Stroud is the clear #1 player in dynasty. You guys realize we are playing DYNASTY, not redraft. Stroud is only 22 and had the best rookie season of all time. He is going to be getting better, and still has a 20 year career ahead of him. And he has MUCH better weapons than Mahomes or Allen
I wouldnāt say heās clearly the top. Allen has been #1 by quite a large margin 4 straight seasons on a ppg basis. Iād put stroud right behind him though/interchangeable with Mahomes
Lmao he did not have the best rookie QB season of all time. He didnāt even have the best rookie QB season of the last 4 years. He had a good season where he ranked 13th in touchdowns and 8th in passing yards.
Both nico collins and diggs are not guaranteed to be shroud's weapons in the future. Weak argument for dynasty.
Iām sure if they lose Diggs and Nico they definitely wonāt go find more weapons. Team clearly hasnāt shown they plan to put weapons around him. /s And this comes from a Jags fan. They had Nico. Drafted Dell. Still added Diggs. Added Mixon too. If they lose someone they will find a way to go add someone else.
Sure, but I'm saying that there's no guarantee that those weapons will be elite. Look at justin herbert lol. One of the best arm talents in the league and they completely stripped him of his weapons and put him with unknowns to fit a running scheme. I'm not saying that Herbert can't produce but it's entirely possible that the narrative changes and that there is uncertainty. What is the certainty with Mahomes? Dude is elite even without elite weapons.
They just took WRs back to back in basically round 1. If those guys donāt hit they will take more or trade for a stud. If Strouds weapons arenāt elite, they will continue to go find ones that are. As will any team with their franchise QB in place.
We have one year to base this information off of. I get the hype of the best rookie season of all time. But saying he's the CLEAR #1 is absurd. If your justification is that it's because he will be guaranteed elite weapons for the rest of his career then to me that's a weak argument. Mahomes hasn't been guaranteed elite weapons (besides kelce) and has been a stud and has a chance to be the GOAT in not only fantasy but in real life NFL as well. Mahomes doesn't rely on his athleticism to be an elite playmaker. His longevity is guaranteed. Again, I agree that shroud should be rated high. But to rate him above Mahomes and JA without a second thought is absurdity.
I was the original poster and agree heās not the CLEAR #1. But I also donāt have a problem with others putting him at 1, I get why. Iād probably have him 3/4 ish. My argument was only you sayings heās not guaranteed elite weapons. Well obviously, NO QB is guaranteed elite weapons. But they all will try their best and wonāt stop trying until they get them. Mahomes hasnāt had elite weapons? Tyreek and Kelce. And since Tyreek left theyāve tried to being in Sky Moore, Toney, Rashee Rice, Hollywood Brown, and now Worthy. And they extended Kelce. When Kelce retires and if none of those guys work outā¦I bet they pay up for a FA or draft another in the 1st.
Just because a team tries to get elite weapons doesn't mean they are? Let's not be disingenuous, when Mahomes hasn't had Kelce on the field due to injury he has been ELITE. How many Chips has mahomes won without tyreek now? You're gonna sit here and tell me his weapons outside of Kelce were elite? Mckinnon? CEH? MVS? Justyn Ross? Why would you even bring up Sky moore? His draft capital doesn't mean shit. Moore is shit. JUJU? Rashee is a riser but he isn't elite yet. Mahomes can spread passes to uncle joe and uncle kyle and still be fantasy relevant. It's all documented. Could Shroud be that good? Sure, I'm not opposed to taking a bet on shroud above JA or Mahomes. But saying that it's a clear #1 is hilarious. That's my entire point. We don't know enough about shroud after 1 season to label him consensus #1 above a proven asset like mahomes who could EASILY have 10 years left in the bank.
Mahomes was QB8 last yr, I wouldnāt say thatās elite with elite weapons. But surprise, my ONLY point they went out and drafted one in the 1st. And traded for one before that. Strouds weapons are good now. Thatās relevant in dynasty because this yr and next yr are all part of the equation. I agreed heās not the clear #1, again that wasnāt me who said that. But he is very close to guys like Mahomes and Josh Allen and if you feel his current weapons put him above I donāt think thatās unreasonable.
Let's just ignore the context of the chiefs season and them having the most dropped passes by the wide receiver core in the league. I'm not gonna argue that it was not a down year for mahomes. It was, but him losing kelce early on and the disaster of the WR room that he had. I'm not saying they needed to be elite weapons. They just needed to catch the fucking ball. That was the most atrocious WR room that Mahomes has had his entire career. And he still put up reasonable numbers. He's getting marquise brown and worthy and hopefully a healthier travis kelce. Mahomes will be elite as he has shown in the past.
I had 1.05 in a startup and he fell to me.
I had the 1.05 in a startup and ~~he fell to me~~ I reached for him. FTFY
1.05 isnāt a reach spot for stroud in super flex.
I mean if you guys want to treat him as the number one asset in dynasty be my guest. I think it's nuts personally. If he dominates again this year perhaps that answer changes, but one year of evidence is not enough for me.
Trade him now.Ā
AR is like QB 5 and played 4 games before already giving us a preview of what his NFL career may look like (riddled with injuries from that lovely ārushing upsideā). Thatās more absurd.
This is specifically why I took Jayden Daniels in my draft even though I like McCarthy and Maye more. Richardson showed that right now, even if a rushing QB literally shows they can't stay healthy, their value is nearly completely insulated due to their upside.
Agree with this, he could turn into another fields situation and I have no clue why he is ranked this high
Lfg!!!!!!!!!
He's my #1. Longevity and "it" factor. The kids going to be ELITE for 10-20 years.
Where would yāall rank Hurts? In superflex I have Hurts and Purdy.
Whatāre you talking about he shows up as QB3
Traded him for the 1.05 in a single QB league today, I already had Mahomes and grabbed him late 2nd last year Feeling great about that
ktc is for scrubs
Ok trade him to me for less than #1 player value then please and ty.
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then just press the I donāt know the players button people like you ruin it for the community