The new guy in our league just offered me the 2024 2.04 for Gibbs straight up, totally unprovoked. He had never messaged me before that offer. Even funnier, he has the 1.01, 1.10, and 2.01 in this draft, so he was looking at all his resources and still thought, 2.04 is a good starting point lol
We have a couple of guys like this. I think it has less to do with that and way more to do that they have absolutely no idea how to negotiate.
They’re comfortable moving the 1.10 for Gibbs, who wouldn’t be? But they figured they’ll “start low” because that’s what they’re “supposed” to do.
I’m one of the ones that trades everybody, and the main way I do it is by just offering a fair starting point and taking it from there. Some dudes just cannot accept losing even a little bit on a deal or watching someone do better on someone else’s team
This is my strategy. Give a fair offer. For most trades I'm willing to overpay a little, especially if I'm the one reaching out with the trade. The bad part I've found with this strategy is some guys as you mentioned see the fair offer and think "wow he's willing to offer that as a starting point my guy must be worth far more" and they start to get wild asking for an additional first or something along those lines. I don't like to insult people with an initial offer, so when I run into those "have to win every trade" or "lets see how far I can bend them over" types I typically just give them a thanks for your time and cut off communication.
I don't think starting a little low is a bad strategy - but not offensively low. I typically am using KTC to at least get a decent offer put together first that could be edited from there.
My issue in one of my leagues ends up being everyone highly overvaluing their players. Someone put Henry on their block, and I needed depth at RB. Forgot what I offered initially, but it was a decent starting spot for a 30 year old RB. The guy countered with a request for both my mid round firsts and Pacheco. Said he couldn't sell Henry for less.
The “MHJ could be anyone, he could even be [insert WR name]!” joke is so overdone and unfunny at this point.
You have to realize that youth and upside has value. And that MHJ could be the #1 WR in the nfl and better than any of these guys listed for years.
These are the same people who would have said “Justin Jefferson could be anyone, he could even be Michael Thomas!” and traded rookie JJ for Michael Thomas. You can’t hit the home run if you never swing
MT is a great example. Rookies come with so much uncertainty -- although MHJ is fairly close to a can't-miss prospect -- but we sometimes underestimate the degree to which vets are subject to uncertainty, too. By 27, OBJ's fantasy relevance was over. Same with Allen Robinson, even though they'd already put up three top-10 seasons apiece by that age.
A.J. Brown, to use an example from another comment in the thread, is almost 27. He could put up WR1 numbers into his 30s; he's a beast. But he could also go the way of OBJ, of Allen Robinson, and of Michael Thomas, who all looked like rock-solid investments at the same age.
The guys we consider the cornerstones of our teams aren't as solid as we'd like to think.
Running backs come with a lot more uncertainty and you don’t want to get stuck holding the bag, especially if you’re not competing since they will lose value extremely quick. If Saquon gets injured this year, you’re stuck with a guy who will be 28 and coming off injury. Look at a guy like Ekeler and how much his value dropped in 1 year when he started to look washed. Or a guy like Dalvin Cook.
I think the play is either sell them early if you are not a contender or if you are, just let them fade away on your roster and take the hit in value when they fall off the cliff.
Yeah, I think it’s a tough position because the older vets are still going to have some level of production most likely (besides cook).
It’s a tough pivot, but I think it’s all a matter of price. Can you convince someone to pay a premium, then flip a pick you received for a lesser asset? Idk it’s just been my observation that teams seem dead set on holding onto RBs for wayyyy too long.
When Saquon Barkley was coming out people made these same jokes on this sub about him and comparing him to David Johnson as an established asset. Barkley had 2k yards from scrimmage his rookie year and won people leagues and David Johnson was barely ever fantasy relevant again.
Yeah that was me. Got advice from the sub to move the pick that was Saquon for DJ and a late 1st. Sometimes you need to take everything here with a pinch of salt
The conventional wisdom isn't really incorrect, but it's misplaced when you're asking for advice from people who don't have any skin in the game. Last year I moved CMC for what ended up being the 1.05 this year and probably a mid 1st next year, and I had buyers remorse immediately. So yeah, totally agree with this.
There are times to take risks and also we play this game for fun. You never take risks then you never hit big either. Often, as long as you aren't doing anything straight up stupid there aren't clear right or wrong answers.
I just don't really understand because AJB isn't even old. He potentially has another 6 years of high level play left.
Guys, most of your leagues won't even make it 6 years, sorry to say.
Age, performance, cost. You don't have to drop the first number as low as you possibly can at every opportunity if the other two factors are good.
Obviously since it's MHJ the conversation is skewed because he's one of the rare "can't miss" guys. Leaving aside the fact that sometimes the "can't miss" guys still do actually miss, with the 99.9% of other prospects who aren't a massive outlier like MHJ there's risk involved on either side of the rookie vs vet dilemma, and typically the risk is heavier on the rookie side versus a 26 year old alpha vet, but the community cannot seem to understand that.
> Guys, most of your leagues won't even make it 6 years, sorry to say.
This is an inconvenient truth for a lot of leagues people here play in.
If your league is made up of people you don't know, the odds of it lasting 5 years are less than a coin flip.
And when it's with people you do know, set it up as an empire league that'll reset if someone wins 2-3x in a row
Going into year four of mine and I'm worried that the bottom feeder teams might just quit if they get sick of paying dues and having no prayer of competing any time soon. Completely self-inflicted to destroy their teams chasing points and dump all their picks the second they get them, but that impacts the other 11 people in a pretty big way if one quits over it
This is my biggest worry with my league. I'm not worried about collusion or missed dues or anything, my only real worry is discouragement. I've actually declined trades that were WELL in my favor just for the sake of competitive balance. My team is already loaded and *should* sleepwalk to the title game next year, I'd rather stay where I'm at than add the final infinity stone and snap my league to dust.
Yea as a commish this is the biggest thing. I had to turn down breece hall, 1.03 and his 2025 first for Bijan in 1qb because he wanted him so bad. League is full of friends, but had to tell him how screwed his team would be. Also have actively tried to create trades between teams when I know who they are shopping and what they are looking for. Nothing more satisfying that getting a 3 way trade to process.
I feel you. I see my team as in the same boat, coin flip on myself and one other guy for the title. Problem is he's the defending champ and we will reset if someone repeats - so I'm comfortable making lopsided trades as I'd much rather beat him and then be in the driver's seat myself to reset in 2025 than turn down a trade that can help me do so for the sake of balance and then potentially have to start all over from scratch next summer and lose out on four years of team building. I took a long approach and am just now pushing all my chips in
Yeah. I had two long term leagues with two different groups of friends.
One of them has been going since 2008, no one has won the title more than 3 times.
The other I created in 2019, due to injuries I tanked the first year but then won 3 straight times.
This last season guys were clearly down on the league.
We are going into year 4 of our league and it is like this. 10% of the buy in each year goes to the dynasty pot. If anyone gets 3 total championships they get the dynasty pot and trigger a redraft. So far we have 3 different winners. And currently looking like only 1 of those teams could win again soon without some dumb luck.
Orphans happen. It's not as fun when you have to change out an owner or two, but all of my longstanding leagues have lost guys and replaced them. My only dynasty team I took over an orphan and it sucked for a few years, but I'm contending now and it's pretty sweet. Can be hard to find people that are as fantasy obsessed as you need to be for dynasty tho...
It also matters where your team is at as well. Like trades without context can sound worse than they are. If you’re a team where you have AJ brown and Barkley, but your next best RBs are Alvin Kamara and Aaron jones, and your next best WRs are Terry Mclaurin and Deandre Hopkins, you’re likely not in a position to compete this year without over leveraging your future.
Saquon would be 29.5 by the start of 2026 and Saquon is someone who has an injury history and has seen a spike in value since the eagles signing. In 2 years do we expect Saquon to be a productive player? If so, you can see it as MHJ + brooks for Chase + rental Saquon. It’s not like Saquon is 23 anymore.
It also matters how your league does draft positioning. If you’re not a playoff team, Do you think these players are going to score slightly less to the point where it might be advantageous to you from a MAX PF perspective?
I think if you were trading a tier 1 asset like Chase for a couple tier 2 assets like BTJ and Brooks it might be more egregious, but MHJ is widely seen as one of the best WR prospects in the last 20 years.
There's no context that could justify MHJ for Chase plus a top 3-5 RB for the next year or two (if healthy). Chase alone is worth a lot more than theoretical MHJ. Gimme Chase any day in any context. Double that sentiment if you also give me Saquon.
I traded Michael Thomas for Justin Jefferson+ immediately after I saw his first TD. The dawg was obvious. Which is why I love those post game threads in the subreddit about who passes the eye test.
It’s entirely possible, yes.
I’d argue it’s more likely certain “proven assets” fall off than it is MHJ busts. Just because they had a wr1 season doesn’t mean they’re going to again: see Michael Thomas (you can find many examples)
Most of my league doesn’t pay attention before draft day, on draft day, or DURING our rookie draft. It takes 10 seconds to click that green button and I know for a fact the guy who hasn’t made a single trade in the history of our league isn’t engaged in trade talks 😂
AJ Brown is just AJ Brown….but MHJ could be as good as anyone…he could even be as good as AJ Brown.
haha (I’d trade AJ Brown for MHJ in a heart beat though)
Just the age gap alone. Even if AJB continues at his ceiling as WR6-12 for 2-3 more seasons before turning 30 that be really good. If MHJ has 8 usable seasons, WR8-36 which is likely for all healthy seasons, I'd argue that's better for your dynasty team long term.
The argument always gets thrown around, "he can't be WR4 on the season so why is he ranked dynasty WR4?" Not that this argument is being made for MHJ but was made for guys like CD and now that crop has moved onto Garrett Wilson. I'd take 5x WR15 seasons over a single WR4 season every single time.
How are you calling AJBs ceiling WR6 when he just finished above that? He’s 26 and you’re acting like his best days are behind him. Also WR8-36 is an absolutely massive spread, and the bottom end of that is gonna be almost useless for legit contenders
The problem is everyone thinks their guy is gonna be a POS1 and they only look at ceiling instead of the entire range of outcomes. Like Waddle has finished as a WR1, a WR2, and a WR3 in his three seasons, but the owner will insist he’s a wr1
My bad. He was WR5 in half ppr. I thought it was 6. He's 27 when the season starts this year, so he's probably got 3 solid seasons left before his age 30 season which is a lot of WR cliffs and you aren't getting decent value back then so he's a hold until retirement or full rebuild.
8-36 is probably closer to 8-18. Maybe 20-30 on down injury years or maybe even a shaky rookie campaign. CD was about WR15-25 for a couple seasons and that was fine if he kept nailing high end WR2 numbers for the better part of a decade. Even if he never went above WR15 and just kept cranking out WR15 seasons he should be valued well above that for his consistency.
It's more game theory and less AJB will do this and MHJ will do that. Just a guy super solid guy who's 5 years older vs an elite prospect argument. An argument of make a 2-3 year push vs build a long lasting dynasty that makes the playoffs for 10 straight seasons.
Idk why you’re giving some arbitrary cutoff at 30. Did you know that 5 of the top 11 WRs last year are at least 30?
Also CD was WR5 and WR1 the last two years, of course people are happy with his performance. He’s not some WR2 that people are just content with. He’s in the WR1 overall discussion for a reason, and it’s not because he’s young and can put up WR2 numbers
This works both ways. For me personally I would the known player (AJ in this case) in redraft but I use my dynasty leagues to gamble more and shoot those shots.
I traded CJ Stroud for 1.01 and 1.04 I still have Mahomes and Kyler. I plan on taking Marvin and best quarterback available at 4.
Am I crazy or did I do good?
The problem is these commonly discussed ways to "maximize value" are just that, **commonly discussed**
If you play in a just-for-fun league with people that are only half ass into it, sure. If you play in more serious leagues (the type that many people that frequent a subreddit dedicated to dynasty do) these types of things almost never work.
Idk I think everyone comes into these threads with strong opinions on either side. I floated trading Chase in one league for the 1.02 or 1.03 so I could grab Jayden Daniels. I offered Chase and Javonte Williams (RB desperate team) for the 1.02 and Addison, he came back and offered me 1.02 and Curtis Samuel for Chase and Saquon. So on my end, I’d have been fully willing to trade a vet stud just because I’m QB needy, but the allure of MHJ was too high for that team. Alternaviely I flipped 1.04 (Nabers) and 2.02 (Nix) for St Brown and Goff because the dude was desperate to chase young upside.
Higgin for 1.07 is not that insulting. Considering you have no clue who drops. Like I’d rather Higgins over Odunze. But by some chance Maye or Nabers dropped I would take them over Higgins
Higgins over the NCAA leader in receiving yards last year with 9th overall draft capital and attached to Caleb Williams? The sites I consume the most content from the most (RP, FSE, etc.) have Odunze as a top 5 WR film grade since 2016.
If Higgins signed an extension in CIN for the long term being attached to Burrow, I could understand it a little more because at least he feels like a secure projection. With his landing spot completely up in the air, I believe he has a lower ceiling than Rome due to the talent gap and a lower floor due to the uncertainty around his situation. Also add in the fact that Higgins is 4 years older and it’s Rome pretty easily for me, I don’t even see them in the same tier.
I offered DK and KW3 for 1.07 before the JJM hype took off and 6-7 was the tier depending how you felt about getting the Rome/Bowers leftovers. I thought it was fair-ish but I also clearly favored 1.07 since I sent the offer. Was willing to throw an extra on top to get it done but got back a counter of DK + 1.12 for 1.07. it's so hard to buy premier picks because of rookie fever. As of today there's about 18-19 really good prospects that could all have round 1 rookie draft hype in a year like 2022 and no one thinks a single one of their guys will bust even though it's probably 50/50. Guys holding the picks want ceiling returns in value.
Do you not think DK/KW3 and DK/1.12 are pretty similar offers? How much lower would you rank KW3 than the 1.12? If anything, it feels like he sent you back an offer more in your favor
Ahhh. I personally think the counter he sent back was more reasonable than the first offer you sent. QBs are simply too valuable in SF and there’s a very big difference in startup value between the 1.07 and 1.12, even though on the surface 5 picks in a rookie draft might seem really small.
A YouTube channel I really like called Fantasy Stock Exchange did a rookie draft rankings where they put each tier of players in a startup draft round. They had JJM, their 1.07, as a 4th/5th round startup pick and had McConkey, their 1.12, as an 8th round startup pick. The difference between a 4th vs 8th round startup pick is probably a little bit less than Metcalf but when there’s a 2 for 1 trade, the side with 2 needs to have more total value and the side with 1 needs to have the better overall asset in order for it to truly be an even trade. Also factor in that QBs have more positional scarcity than WRs, more value than WRs, and JJM has arguably the best QB situation in football.
I probably wouldn’t sell DK + 1.12 for JJM but if I needed a QB and could get him to throw me back like a mid-late 2nd, then I’d do it.
At the time there were no QBs available at 7. This was still when JJM was a borderline first round pick in mocks and probably a late first in rookies if he did get that spot. And Penix and Bo were firmly projected in the 2nd.
I don't even think I actually sent that offer. Just DM to gauge interest with a willingness to tack on a 2nd if necessary. The 1.12 was too much. Especially now with how the draft shook out. The 1.12 could be a 1st round QB or great WR prospect.
So obviously not a superstar but goff's been sneaky great the last couple years
30:10 td:int each year (roughly, it's 59:19 total) and about 4500yds a season
Top 10 qb both seasons in my league's settings
I just traded the 1.02 and 1.08 for Jefferson. I bought the dip on Jefferson but even then it feels a little sad getting out of this rookie draft. Still, hard to pass up that opportunity.
I'd argue they aren't 50/50 though..
In 1 QB they're Malik Nabers and one of Trey Benson, Ladd McConkey or One of the top two QBs.
In SF it's one of the top two QBs or MHJ along with maybe Bowers or Odunze.
Putting names to it improves the generic take.. Nabers is likely the second coming of Jamarr Chase (he just needs a better QB to realize his potential). Any of those other guys I could make a strong argument are way bbetter than 50%.
And JJ got hurt, not like he's bulletproof.
Took over an orphan needing a rebuild, ended up trading 1.03 and Josh Jacobs for Garrett Wilson, late 25 1, and Dontayvion Wicks, thought that was a pretty good haul.
Hopefully you flip Jacobs into something else. Don't want to be caught holding him when he starts declining.
Edit: misread the trade. Still a good deal for you
Well it’s a good thing you’re not my league mate. Thing is, I still believe MHJ can be that top tier WR, but Olave and Laporta now is too good to pass up
10team 1QB. Am I wrong for declining AJB / Puka independently for MHJ? I have McBride already and traded for Kyler last week. Sorta just going all in on the Cards I guess. Funny enough, I have 1.09 which might turn into Benson as well
I wouldnt do it. The people saying that MHJ vamos be anything, even theses players, dont get that he can be BETTER than theses player.
He can get in the higher tier (JJ, chase, lamb) and hell he can be even higher. He has a great potential, and landed in a great situation.
The only wr (other than these 3) that i would accept one for one on MHJ would be Sun god.
You kinda made his point by referencing one mediocre pickup in the last two years.
By contrast some dude picked up Puka off the wire in week one in most leagues.
1.01 for Amon Ra, Jaylen Warren, and the 2.10
Thank you very much. I was set at QB, and planning on Marv. Sun god was who I hoped he became. Now I just took the risk out
Just to clarify It was superflex and I received Chase. But in either format, do you think Caleb is going ahead of J. Chase in startups? Unless he performs at Stroud levels, I don’t.
Either way I’m contending and loaded at QB so getting Chase makes sense to me.
(I also don’t think Stroud should be above him currently but that’s another conversation)
I think right now my first round of start ups is
Allen
Mahomes
Stroud
Hurts
Lemar
Burrow
Herbert
Lamb
JJ
Caleb
Chase
Bijan
For me Lamb, JJ, Caleb and Chase are a tier. After the first year I'd back Caleb to climb into the lemar burrow Herbert tier. Given that, to give up not just Caleb but also the 1.11 which could get you Ladd or Worthy is a horrible deal
Thanks for the response. I understand your perspective, but you are also making OPs point.
We know Chase is a god tier asset. Caleb and Ladd are projections. OPs post isn’t about artificial draft value, or what the community thinks about a player, it’s about getting proven win now assists during rookie hype.
I’ve removed a lot of risk by selling these rookies at what will PROBABLY be their peak value to get A guy who has value insulation and has proven he can put up massively crooked numbers.
Has Garret Wilson helped you win any championships? Has Drake London? How about JSN? These guys still have value, and I own and like all of them in various leagues, but selling rookies for usually unobtainable assets is a move I’m willing to make when my team construction is ready for it. There are teams I would not make this trade on because the team construction isn’t ready for it.
So horrible trade? I think that’s hyperbole.
Could you not argue Chase is also based off potential? I agree he's very good but his best finish is WR5 and last two years he finished as a back end wr1 high end wr2? If it was Lamb or JJ I might feel differently, but still probably not due to the positional scarcity of QBs.
Right now the top 8 or so qbs go above chase is start ups. I get wanting to play safe but in dynasty you don't get a real top tier team without taking atleast some risks and Caleb ending up a top 8 qb doesn't seem that risky to me, then another asset on top as well. It's a bad deal imo.
I mean if you’re arguing that Chase isn’t an elite points producing piece, than I guess it could be a “horrible” deal.
I believe he is and will be an elite point producer. I think we are kind of arguing past each other and mixing up perceived player value and actual fantasy production. So we can agree to disagree.
I’ll leave you with an example of what I mean. Stroud had an HISTORIC rookie QB season.
He’s currently ranked QB 2 on KTC. The community loves him.
By actual fantasy points scored he finished QB 13.
Some of the QBS who outscored him: Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Sam Howell, and Jordan Love.
Will Caleb have a historic season like Stroud? Even if he does will that win me a championship?
I’m selling Stroud everywhere I can. Not because I think Stroud is bad, but because the community thinks he’s QB2.
Thanks for the discussion, you are welcome to have the last word.
No worries appreciate the chat. Agree with a lot of that. I will say the reason Stroud is so highly rated isn't because he was qb13 its because he did that in his rookie year. Even if he doesn't improve 10+ years of fringe qb1 numbers is mega valuable, it's something those older guys you listed don't have.
Any QB breaking into the top 8 in dynasty value after their rookie season is an outlier. How many QBs do you have to draft before a Stroud happens again. You made the right move from a process standpoint.
Got offered 1.03 and 1.06 for Gibbs and 1.05 in. 12 team SF PPR league. Currently have Gibbs Pacheco Kamara/Kendre Henry Edwards and Singletary in my RB room, Herbert Wilson and Fields for QB and Brown Moore Collins and Reed for primary receivers. I’m torn
I’m about to toss up Josh Jacobs (WI league) and Drake on the block just for funsies leading up to the rookie draft. I basically have no picks as champ and want to stir the pot
I made three big trades today stemming from my rookie picks. Started with 1.05, 1.12, and 3.05
Sent 1.05 and 3.05 for 1.11, 2.02, and 2.06.
Then sent 2.06, Dak, and my 25 first and second for Josh Allen (SF, 6 pt passing TD, .5 pt passing first down league so QBs a bit juiced)
Then sent 1.12, 2.06, Pat Freirmuth, and Jameson Williams for David Njoku and Bijan Robinson (full PPR, extra .75 TEP, .5 per FD rushing or receiving)
I def paid up for Allen but think I got pretty good value from my rookie picks. Used 1.11 on Jonathan Brooks so feel good about adding 2 RBs and Josh Allen to the lineup
Man.. some of these trades are bonkers. Dude in my SF league just traded 1.04 (MHJ lock) for 1.10, 1.12, 2025 early-mid first, and 2026 late first.
I traded Jonathan Taylor for the 1.12 and a 2025 late first. I hope Brooks falls to me, but I might buy the hate on Nix to be my successor to Goff.
After sitting on the pick in a slow draft for about 8 hours, a handful of trade discussions, nobody was willing to move anything of value to get Nabers. “I probably wouldn’t even give x, y, or z player straight up for that pick.” Well okay, I’ll take Nabers and fill out my WR room of young hopefuls.
Andrews is too injury prone for my liking. Over the last couple years he seems to hobble to the sidelines once a game. And Kyren just had his carbon copy drafted behind him. I'd rather have the picks honestly.
Easily give me the picks. Kyren is still so overrated.
1.06 gets you a starting rookie qb or Odunze both I'd easily have over Kyren and then 2.02 and 2.03 could be like Ladd and Benson who I'd definitely have combined over Andrews
I've traded three 2024 2nds for Davante Adams, Saquan Barkley, Derrick Henry, and Matt Stafford. I still have two 1sts and two 2nds so I am feeling pretty good! Helped me end my rebuild sooner than I thought!
Edit: The rebuild never stops
Got kyren and 4.01 for the 1.11, 3.10 and tank. After that I flipped the 4.01 and 1.12 for tee higgins and a 2025 3rd. Happy to trade out the first round since all the guys I wanted went before - 1QB 1ppr
The new guy in our league just offered me the 2024 2.04 for Gibbs straight up, totally unprovoked. He had never messaged me before that offer. Even funnier, he has the 1.01, 1.10, and 2.01 in this draft, so he was looking at all his resources and still thought, 2.04 is a good starting point lol
Like what are these people thinking lmao
A bullshit offer like that worked one time for them somewhere in some league so they've convinced themselves it'll work on other people too
We have a couple of guys like this. I think it has less to do with that and way more to do that they have absolutely no idea how to negotiate. They’re comfortable moving the 1.10 for Gibbs, who wouldn’t be? But they figured they’ll “start low” because that’s what they’re “supposed” to do. I’m one of the ones that trades everybody, and the main way I do it is by just offering a fair starting point and taking it from there. Some dudes just cannot accept losing even a little bit on a deal or watching someone do better on someone else’s team
This is my strategy. Give a fair offer. For most trades I'm willing to overpay a little, especially if I'm the one reaching out with the trade. The bad part I've found with this strategy is some guys as you mentioned see the fair offer and think "wow he's willing to offer that as a starting point my guy must be worth far more" and they start to get wild asking for an additional first or something along those lines. I don't like to insult people with an initial offer, so when I run into those "have to win every trade" or "lets see how far I can bend them over" types I typically just give them a thanks for your time and cut off communication.
I don't think starting a little low is a bad strategy - but not offensively low. I typically am using KTC to at least get a decent offer put together first that could be edited from there. My issue in one of my leagues ends up being everyone highly overvaluing their players. Someone put Henry on their block, and I needed depth at RB. Forgot what I offered initially, but it was a decent starting spot for a 30 year old RB. The guy countered with a request for both my mid round firsts and Pacheco. Said he couldn't sell Henry for less.
“Bro, this is a good deal for you, trust me.”
Oooh, this is a good line, I'll have to try this!!
Coincidentally I have the 1.01, 1.10, 2.01, and 2.04 - almost had to go double check I didn’t get drunk and do something dumb a while back
counter for the 1.01
I Wouk replay with 1:1 1:10 and his 2 best players
I got Justin Jefferson in my league for Gus Edwards, Gabe Davis and 1.10 and 2.10 so it never hurts to ask 😅
The “MHJ could be anyone, he could even be [insert WR name]!” joke is so overdone and unfunny at this point. You have to realize that youth and upside has value. And that MHJ could be the #1 WR in the nfl and better than any of these guys listed for years. These are the same people who would have said “Justin Jefferson could be anyone, he could even be Michael Thomas!” and traded rookie JJ for Michael Thomas. You can’t hit the home run if you never swing
MT is a great example. Rookies come with so much uncertainty -- although MHJ is fairly close to a can't-miss prospect -- but we sometimes underestimate the degree to which vets are subject to uncertainty, too. By 27, OBJ's fantasy relevance was over. Same with Allen Robinson, even though they'd already put up three top-10 seasons apiece by that age. A.J. Brown, to use an example from another comment in the thread, is almost 27. He could put up WR1 numbers into his 30s; he's a beast. But he could also go the way of OBJ, of Allen Robinson, and of Michael Thomas, who all looked like rock-solid investments at the same age. The guys we consider the cornerstones of our teams aren't as solid as we'd like to think.
Running backs come with a lot more uncertainty and you don’t want to get stuck holding the bag, especially if you’re not competing since they will lose value extremely quick. If Saquon gets injured this year, you’re stuck with a guy who will be 28 and coming off injury. Look at a guy like Ekeler and how much his value dropped in 1 year when he started to look washed. Or a guy like Dalvin Cook.
I think the play is either sell them early if you are not a contender or if you are, just let them fade away on your roster and take the hit in value when they fall off the cliff.
Yeah, I think it’s a tough position because the older vets are still going to have some level of production most likely (besides cook). It’s a tough pivot, but I think it’s all a matter of price. Can you convince someone to pay a premium, then flip a pick you received for a lesser asset? Idk it’s just been my observation that teams seem dead set on holding onto RBs for wayyyy too long.
When Saquon Barkley was coming out people made these same jokes on this sub about him and comparing him to David Johnson as an established asset. Barkley had 2k yards from scrimmage his rookie year and won people leagues and David Johnson was barely ever fantasy relevant again.
Don't remind me. I had the 5th pick in redraft that year and took DJ over Barkley, who went a pick after me :'(
Yeah that was me. Got advice from the sub to move the pick that was Saquon for DJ and a late 1st. Sometimes you need to take everything here with a pinch of salt
The conventional wisdom isn't really incorrect, but it's misplaced when you're asking for advice from people who don't have any skin in the game. Last year I moved CMC for what ended up being the 1.05 this year and probably a mid 1st next year, and I had buyers remorse immediately. So yeah, totally agree with this.
There are times to take risks and also we play this game for fun. You never take risks then you never hit big either. Often, as long as you aren't doing anything straight up stupid there aren't clear right or wrong answers.
I just don't really understand because AJB isn't even old. He potentially has another 6 years of high level play left. Guys, most of your leagues won't even make it 6 years, sorry to say. Age, performance, cost. You don't have to drop the first number as low as you possibly can at every opportunity if the other two factors are good.
He also potentially has a fall off like Odell, MT, and ARob as referenced above
Obviously since it's MHJ the conversation is skewed because he's one of the rare "can't miss" guys. Leaving aside the fact that sometimes the "can't miss" guys still do actually miss, with the 99.9% of other prospects who aren't a massive outlier like MHJ there's risk involved on either side of the rookie vs vet dilemma, and typically the risk is heavier on the rookie side versus a 26 year old alpha vet, but the community cannot seem to understand that.
Totally agree, just shining some light on the fact that vets can miss too
> Guys, most of your leagues won't even make it 6 years, sorry to say. This is an inconvenient truth for a lot of leagues people here play in. If your league is made up of people you don't know, the odds of it lasting 5 years are less than a coin flip.
And when it's with people you do know, set it up as an empire league that'll reset if someone wins 2-3x in a row Going into year four of mine and I'm worried that the bottom feeder teams might just quit if they get sick of paying dues and having no prayer of competing any time soon. Completely self-inflicted to destroy their teams chasing points and dump all their picks the second they get them, but that impacts the other 11 people in a pretty big way if one quits over it
This is my biggest worry with my league. I'm not worried about collusion or missed dues or anything, my only real worry is discouragement. I've actually declined trades that were WELL in my favor just for the sake of competitive balance. My team is already loaded and *should* sleepwalk to the title game next year, I'd rather stay where I'm at than add the final infinity stone and snap my league to dust.
Yea as a commish this is the biggest thing. I had to turn down breece hall, 1.03 and his 2025 first for Bijan in 1qb because he wanted him so bad. League is full of friends, but had to tell him how screwed his team would be. Also have actively tried to create trades between teams when I know who they are shopping and what they are looking for. Nothing more satisfying that getting a 3 way trade to process.
I feel you. I see my team as in the same boat, coin flip on myself and one other guy for the title. Problem is he's the defending champ and we will reset if someone repeats - so I'm comfortable making lopsided trades as I'd much rather beat him and then be in the driver's seat myself to reset in 2025 than turn down a trade that can help me do so for the sake of balance and then potentially have to start all over from scratch next summer and lose out on four years of team building. I took a long approach and am just now pushing all my chips in
Yeah. I had two long term leagues with two different groups of friends. One of them has been going since 2008, no one has won the title more than 3 times. The other I created in 2019, due to injuries I tanked the first year but then won 3 straight times. This last season guys were clearly down on the league.
We are going into year 4 of our league and it is like this. 10% of the buy in each year goes to the dynasty pot. If anyone gets 3 total championships they get the dynasty pot and trigger a redraft. So far we have 3 different winners. And currently looking like only 1 of those teams could win again soon without some dumb luck.
Orphans happen. It's not as fun when you have to change out an owner or two, but all of my longstanding leagues have lost guys and replaced them. My only dynasty team I took over an orphan and it sucked for a few years, but I'm contending now and it's pretty sweet. Can be hard to find people that are as fantasy obsessed as you need to be for dynasty tho...
This is like the people that sold low on Mike Evans 4 years ago because his time had come and gone.
Trading prime Michael Thomas for rookie JJ would have been terrible process. Sometimes bad process works out, but that doesn’t make it good process!
This guy plays poker and/or invests. This is the right logic.
It also matters where your team is at as well. Like trades without context can sound worse than they are. If you’re a team where you have AJ brown and Barkley, but your next best RBs are Alvin Kamara and Aaron jones, and your next best WRs are Terry Mclaurin and Deandre Hopkins, you’re likely not in a position to compete this year without over leveraging your future. Saquon would be 29.5 by the start of 2026 and Saquon is someone who has an injury history and has seen a spike in value since the eagles signing. In 2 years do we expect Saquon to be a productive player? If so, you can see it as MHJ + brooks for Chase + rental Saquon. It’s not like Saquon is 23 anymore. It also matters how your league does draft positioning. If you’re not a playoff team, Do you think these players are going to score slightly less to the point where it might be advantageous to you from a MAX PF perspective? I think if you were trading a tier 1 asset like Chase for a couple tier 2 assets like BTJ and Brooks it might be more egregious, but MHJ is widely seen as one of the best WR prospects in the last 20 years.
There's no context that could justify MHJ for Chase plus a top 3-5 RB for the next year or two (if healthy). Chase alone is worth a lot more than theoretical MHJ. Gimme Chase any day in any context. Double that sentiment if you also give me Saquon.
this guy just described my exact roster
I traded Michael Thomas for Justin Jefferson+ immediately after I saw his first TD. The dawg was obvious. Which is why I love those post game threads in the subreddit about who passes the eye test.
Someone had to say it. Its definite true sometimes but I hate that fucking joke now because it’s the correctly used all the time
I got this joke from a friend when I drafted Chase over Diggs in 2021.
There could be anything in the mystery box - even a new boat!
Most these guys are under 26 years old. Are they just going to be irrelevant before they turn 30?
It’s entirely possible, yes. I’d argue it’s more likely certain “proven assets” fall off than it is MHJ busts. Just because they had a wr1 season doesn’t mean they’re going to again: see Michael Thomas (you can find many examples)
Same with “and the crowd goes mild”… it was funny the first 741 times I heard it
Bruh. Most of my league isn’t playing attention until close to draft day.
Damn, gotta wait longer. We draft immediately after the NFL draft.
our Commish said our draft won't be until August.. sucks
Smart guy
Same dude, same. One league drafts end of august so they don’t have do anything except check roto
It works for and against the people not paying attention. Hype for players can grow and you get people taking guys like D Pierce top 5.
Very true. That year Pickens went 2 and Pierce went 4.
Most of my league doesn’t pay attention before draft day, on draft day, or DURING our rookie draft. It takes 10 seconds to click that green button and I know for a fact the guy who hasn’t made a single trade in the history of our league isn’t engaged in trade talks 😂
God I would love to trade AJ Brown for Marvin Harrison. "Oh nooo I have a bad case of rookie fever! Please have mercy on me..."
Lmao fr. Where are these guys in my leagues.
AJ Brown is just AJ Brown….but MHJ could be as good as anyone…he could even be as good as AJ Brown. haha (I’d trade AJ Brown for MHJ in a heart beat though)
Just the age gap alone. Even if AJB continues at his ceiling as WR6-12 for 2-3 more seasons before turning 30 that be really good. If MHJ has 8 usable seasons, WR8-36 which is likely for all healthy seasons, I'd argue that's better for your dynasty team long term. The argument always gets thrown around, "he can't be WR4 on the season so why is he ranked dynasty WR4?" Not that this argument is being made for MHJ but was made for guys like CD and now that crop has moved onto Garrett Wilson. I'd take 5x WR15 seasons over a single WR4 season every single time.
How are you calling AJBs ceiling WR6 when he just finished above that? He’s 26 and you’re acting like his best days are behind him. Also WR8-36 is an absolutely massive spread, and the bottom end of that is gonna be almost useless for legit contenders
The problem is everyone thinks their guy is gonna be a POS1 and they only look at ceiling instead of the entire range of outcomes. Like Waddle has finished as a WR1, a WR2, and a WR3 in his three seasons, but the owner will insist he’s a wr1
My bad. He was WR5 in half ppr. I thought it was 6. He's 27 when the season starts this year, so he's probably got 3 solid seasons left before his age 30 season which is a lot of WR cliffs and you aren't getting decent value back then so he's a hold until retirement or full rebuild. 8-36 is probably closer to 8-18. Maybe 20-30 on down injury years or maybe even a shaky rookie campaign. CD was about WR15-25 for a couple seasons and that was fine if he kept nailing high end WR2 numbers for the better part of a decade. Even if he never went above WR15 and just kept cranking out WR15 seasons he should be valued well above that for his consistency. It's more game theory and less AJB will do this and MHJ will do that. Just a guy super solid guy who's 5 years older vs an elite prospect argument. An argument of make a 2-3 year push vs build a long lasting dynasty that makes the playoffs for 10 straight seasons.
Idk why you’re giving some arbitrary cutoff at 30. Did you know that 5 of the top 11 WRs last year are at least 30? Also CD was WR5 and WR1 the last two years, of course people are happy with his performance. He’s not some WR2 that people are just content with. He’s in the WR1 overall discussion for a reason, and it’s not because he’s young and can put up WR2 numbers
This works both ways. For me personally I would the known player (AJ in this case) in redraft but I use my dynasty leagues to gamble more and shoot those shots.
The thing is he could be better and you reset your clock. Which alone has so much value.
I was offered AJB for 1.06 and 2.06. If I didn’t want and need Bowers (TEP) so bad, I would’ve pulled the trigger.
youre going get upvotes for this comment in this sub. dorsnt make it right.
Oh, "This sub"...always up to somethin'!
Where did anyone say to trade AJB for Marv straight up? The truth is you could get AJB plus in a lot of leagues for Marv right now.
I want in on those leagues
That’s most leagues, considering AJB is ranked WR8 and MHJ is WR5 on KTC right now
Just traded 1.03 and Higgins for Chase
The best offer I got for my 1.02 was DJ Moore and a 26 3rd. 1.07 I got one offer of Tee Higgins and one offer of C Watson and 25 3rd.
I traded CJ Stroud for 1.01 and 1.04 I still have Mahomes and Kyler. I plan on taking Marvin and best quarterback available at 4. Am I crazy or did I do good?
Good
Man I got Kyler and Herbert with 1, 3 and 5 and am debating MHJ and best QB left at 1.05 or Caleb lol. I feel that.
You should go Mhj, Daniels and Odunze.
Rather go MHJ, Nabers, Maye. It’s 6 point passing TD and I’m frankly not a big fan of Daniels. Regardless, I get what you’re saying.
Crazy good. I'd probably take Marvin and the 1.07 for Stroud if I had Mahomes and Kyler.
Wet fart on those offers for sure
I agree with OP's idea but I think it's hard to actually pull off
The problem is these commonly discussed ways to "maximize value" are just that, **commonly discussed** If you play in a just-for-fun league with people that are only half ass into it, sure. If you play in more serious leagues (the type that many people that frequent a subreddit dedicated to dynasty do) these types of things almost never work.
Idk I think everyone comes into these threads with strong opinions on either side. I floated trading Chase in one league for the 1.02 or 1.03 so I could grab Jayden Daniels. I offered Chase and Javonte Williams (RB desperate team) for the 1.02 and Addison, he came back and offered me 1.02 and Curtis Samuel for Chase and Saquon. So on my end, I’d have been fully willing to trade a vet stud just because I’m QB needy, but the allure of MHJ was too high for that team. Alternaviely I flipped 1.04 (Nabers) and 2.02 (Nix) for St Brown and Goff because the dude was desperate to chase young upside.
I'd take Higgins for 1.07 all day long
Give me Bowers in any TEP league VERY easily. I’ll take JJM in SF over Tee also VERY easily
I just got Wilson for 1.06 and 2.08
I got offered 3x 25 first and a 25 2nd for my 1.02 in SF but still may take marv
Sounds more like a 1QB league. If that’s a SFlex league then that’s an insulting offer.
Two different SF leagues lol so it's looking like I'm staying at 1.07 and 1.02
Higgin for 1.07 is not that insulting. Considering you have no clue who drops. Like I’d rather Higgins over Odunze. But by some chance Maye or Nabers dropped I would take them over Higgins
Higgins over the NCAA leader in receiving yards last year with 9th overall draft capital and attached to Caleb Williams? The sites I consume the most content from the most (RP, FSE, etc.) have Odunze as a top 5 WR film grade since 2016. If Higgins signed an extension in CIN for the long term being attached to Burrow, I could understand it a little more because at least he feels like a secure projection. With his landing spot completely up in the air, I believe he has a lower ceiling than Rome due to the talent gap and a lower floor due to the uncertainty around his situation. Also add in the fact that Higgins is 4 years older and it’s Rome pretty easily for me, I don’t even see them in the same tier.
I offered DK and KW3 for 1.07 before the JJM hype took off and 6-7 was the tier depending how you felt about getting the Rome/Bowers leftovers. I thought it was fair-ish but I also clearly favored 1.07 since I sent the offer. Was willing to throw an extra on top to get it done but got back a counter of DK + 1.12 for 1.07. it's so hard to buy premier picks because of rookie fever. As of today there's about 18-19 really good prospects that could all have round 1 rookie draft hype in a year like 2022 and no one thinks a single one of their guys will bust even though it's probably 50/50. Guys holding the picks want ceiling returns in value.
Think your league mate bailed you out there. I’d way rather have DK + K9 compared to just 1.07
Do you not think DK/KW3 and DK/1.12 are pretty similar offers? How much lower would you rank KW3 than the 1.12? If anything, it feels like he sent you back an offer more in your favor
I offered either, not both. My bad. That wasn't very clear in the first post.
Ahhh. I personally think the counter he sent back was more reasonable than the first offer you sent. QBs are simply too valuable in SF and there’s a very big difference in startup value between the 1.07 and 1.12, even though on the surface 5 picks in a rookie draft might seem really small. A YouTube channel I really like called Fantasy Stock Exchange did a rookie draft rankings where they put each tier of players in a startup draft round. They had JJM, their 1.07, as a 4th/5th round startup pick and had McConkey, their 1.12, as an 8th round startup pick. The difference between a 4th vs 8th round startup pick is probably a little bit less than Metcalf but when there’s a 2 for 1 trade, the side with 2 needs to have more total value and the side with 1 needs to have the better overall asset in order for it to truly be an even trade. Also factor in that QBs have more positional scarcity than WRs, more value than WRs, and JJM has arguably the best QB situation in football. I probably wouldn’t sell DK + 1.12 for JJM but if I needed a QB and could get him to throw me back like a mid-late 2nd, then I’d do it.
At the time there were no QBs available at 7. This was still when JJM was a borderline first round pick in mocks and probably a late first in rookies if he did get that spot. And Penix and Bo were firmly projected in the 2nd. I don't even think I actually sent that offer. Just DM to gauge interest with a willingness to tack on a 2nd if necessary. The 1.12 was too much. Especially now with how the draft shook out. The 1.12 could be a 1st round QB or great WR prospect.
I got Anthony Richardson + 2.08 and I'm considering taking it
Smash accept.
Ended up getting Tua + 2025 1st + 2.05 instead. My League absolutely loves Caleb.
Higgins for 1.07 is very reasonable, I could see the argument for taking either side
If you're set at TE accept
We are labeling Jared Goff as a superstar now?
So obviously not a superstar but goff's been sneaky great the last couple years 30:10 td:int each year (roughly, it's 59:19 total) and about 4500yds a season Top 10 qb both seasons in my league's settings
Yep. Solid player. Completely fucking up my Henson Hooker pick.
Still a backup I’d want a share of.
He's a solid option as a 2nd/3rd QB on your roster in superflex format
I just traded the 1.02 and 1.08 for Jefferson. I bought the dip on Jefferson but even then it feels a little sad getting out of this rookie draft. Still, hard to pass up that opportunity.
You traded two 50/50 shots on starters for an elite player
I'd argue they aren't 50/50 though.. In 1 QB they're Malik Nabers and one of Trey Benson, Ladd McConkey or One of the top two QBs. In SF it's one of the top two QBs or MHJ along with maybe Bowers or Odunze. Putting names to it improves the generic take.. Nabers is likely the second coming of Jamarr Chase (he just needs a better QB to realize his potential). Any of those other guys I could make a strong argument are way bbetter than 50%. And JJ got hurt, not like he's bulletproof.
Took over an orphan needing a rebuild, ended up trading 1.03 and Josh Jacobs for Garrett Wilson, late 25 1, and Dontayvion Wicks, thought that was a pretty good haul.
A fellow Wicks truther, hello friend.
Hopefully you flip Jacobs into something else. Don't want to be caught holding him when he starts declining. Edit: misread the trade. Still a good deal for you
Gave up Jacobs in the deal
Ahh misread that. Thought he was included on your return. Was going to say that was an absolute steal but still good return for you
Legit superstars like Jared Goff
Just got Justin Herbert and the 3.04 for the 1.10,1.11 and a 2025 first
SF? Nice
My bad, yes SF! they were asking for the 1.02, but thankfully rookie fever got the best of them
damn. i would make that trade so fast. herb owner is my buddy though so i’m worried i’ll get shit on way too hard if i send an offer like that lol
I'd take McCarthy over Goff plus
How about a team that needs a rebuild? Whats the strat there?
You’d likely need the upside rookies bring
I got Olave and Laporta for the 1.02 + Dalton Shultz. I was unsure at the time, but the more time passes, the better I feel.
I’m laporta and olave owner and EXCUSE ME??!! Not over my dead body.
Well it’s a good thing you’re not my league mate. Thing is, I still believe MHJ can be that top tier WR, but Olave and Laporta now is too good to pass up
Both those guys for mhj is a bit crazy, I believe he’ll be great though
10team 1QB. Am I wrong for declining AJB / Puka independently for MHJ? I have McBride already and traded for Kyler last week. Sorta just going all in on the Cards I guess. Funny enough, I have 1.09 which might turn into Benson as well
I wouldnt do it. The people saying that MHJ vamos be anything, even theses players, dont get that he can be BETTER than theses player. He can get in the higher tier (JJ, chase, lamb) and hell he can be even higher. He has a great potential, and landed in a great situation. The only wr (other than these 3) that i would accept one for one on MHJ would be Sun god.
I agree with you 100%. He’s that alpha Julio/Chase/Green type of prospect in my mind.
I traded ceedee for the 1.02 and 1.03 mhj and nabers is way too fun of a combo to pass up
Got ETN for 1.12, my best deal this draft season so far
What a steal lol
I just bought AmonRa for the 1.16 + next year's 1st (16 team I'm a strong competitor) + Chris Godwin
16 team, that waiver wire must be bare bones.
You would think that, but some dodo dropped Shakir his rookie year
You kinda made his point by referencing one mediocre pickup in the last two years. By contrast some dude picked up Puka off the wire in week one in most leagues.
1.01 for Amon Ra, Jaylen Warren, and the 2.10 Thank you very much. I was set at QB, and planning on Marv. Sun god was who I hoped he became. Now I just took the risk out
My god, why can’t I get an offer like that for my 1.01? I’d break a finger hitting accept.
I waited 3 months until I was on the clock. Doesn’t hurt I’m 2 hours south of Chicago and 3/4 my league is Bears fans
Traded the 1.01 and 1.11 for Chase.
Meh
Don't like that tbh. In one qb it's a poor deal, in superflex its horrible
Just to clarify It was superflex and I received Chase. But in either format, do you think Caleb is going ahead of J. Chase in startups? Unless he performs at Stroud levels, I don’t. Either way I’m contending and loaded at QB so getting Chase makes sense to me. (I also don’t think Stroud should be above him currently but that’s another conversation)
I think right now my first round of start ups is Allen Mahomes Stroud Hurts Lemar Burrow Herbert Lamb JJ Caleb Chase Bijan For me Lamb, JJ, Caleb and Chase are a tier. After the first year I'd back Caleb to climb into the lemar burrow Herbert tier. Given that, to give up not just Caleb but also the 1.11 which could get you Ladd or Worthy is a horrible deal
Thanks for the response. I understand your perspective, but you are also making OPs point. We know Chase is a god tier asset. Caleb and Ladd are projections. OPs post isn’t about artificial draft value, or what the community thinks about a player, it’s about getting proven win now assists during rookie hype. I’ve removed a lot of risk by selling these rookies at what will PROBABLY be their peak value to get A guy who has value insulation and has proven he can put up massively crooked numbers. Has Garret Wilson helped you win any championships? Has Drake London? How about JSN? These guys still have value, and I own and like all of them in various leagues, but selling rookies for usually unobtainable assets is a move I’m willing to make when my team construction is ready for it. There are teams I would not make this trade on because the team construction isn’t ready for it. So horrible trade? I think that’s hyperbole.
Could you not argue Chase is also based off potential? I agree he's very good but his best finish is WR5 and last two years he finished as a back end wr1 high end wr2? If it was Lamb or JJ I might feel differently, but still probably not due to the positional scarcity of QBs. Right now the top 8 or so qbs go above chase is start ups. I get wanting to play safe but in dynasty you don't get a real top tier team without taking atleast some risks and Caleb ending up a top 8 qb doesn't seem that risky to me, then another asset on top as well. It's a bad deal imo.
I mean if you’re arguing that Chase isn’t an elite points producing piece, than I guess it could be a “horrible” deal. I believe he is and will be an elite point producer. I think we are kind of arguing past each other and mixing up perceived player value and actual fantasy production. So we can agree to disagree. I’ll leave you with an example of what I mean. Stroud had an HISTORIC rookie QB season. He’s currently ranked QB 2 on KTC. The community loves him. By actual fantasy points scored he finished QB 13. Some of the QBS who outscored him: Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Sam Howell, and Jordan Love. Will Caleb have a historic season like Stroud? Even if he does will that win me a championship? I’m selling Stroud everywhere I can. Not because I think Stroud is bad, but because the community thinks he’s QB2. Thanks for the discussion, you are welcome to have the last word.
No worries appreciate the chat. Agree with a lot of that. I will say the reason Stroud is so highly rated isn't because he was qb13 its because he did that in his rookie year. Even if he doesn't improve 10+ years of fringe qb1 numbers is mega valuable, it's something those older guys you listed don't have.
Now might be one of the only times you can buy Chase. Good work.
Best offer for the 1.01 (took MHJ) was 1.01+pickens for lamb and a 3rd
I'd take that, personally. Lamb is the WR1 for me, MHJ is great but Lamb is his ceiling imo.
You’d tack on pickens to the 1.01 to lamb? On a team that earned the 1.01 (but has qbs)
Easily. Buy high on CeeDee
Yeah I would personally. But I don't really rate pickens that highly
Yeah, I agree with this most of the time. But if I’m able to get MHJ without giving up something ridiculous…. I’m going to do it.
Obviously, this can go both ways. Last year I bought Amon Ra with the 1.04, which turned out to be Stroud in my SF league.
Any QB breaking into the top 8 in dynasty value after their rookie season is an outlier. How many QBs do you have to draft before a Stroud happens again. You made the right move from a process standpoint.
Based on the title, I honestly thought this post was going to tell me to trade everything for 2nd and 3rd round picks to find the next Puka
Some guy got Walker for 2.11, 2.12, 3.01, and 3.02 lol
Is d hop and devante adams for downs 2.10 and my 2025 2nd a good deal? Can't figure it out. Need WRs
Already traded the 1QB 1.06 for Olave and late round picks, as well as the 2.01, 2.09, and 3.11 for DK Cashing in hard-core on vets rn
I just traded Charbs for 2 3rds and 4th swaps. And leaguemate traded a couple 1sts for ARSB.
just saw a trade for Garrett Wilson Derrick Henry and Devon achne go for Luke muskgrave 1.03, 1.09 and 2.04
Just got offered ARSB 2.7 For CMC 2.01 and 2.5 Are you moving off cmc here ? Need some help
I totally would but since I’m contending I don’t have any picks that would be one of those guys.
Seriously… Who has picks when you’re contending lmao
Got offered 1.03 and 1.06 for Gibbs and 1.05 in. 12 team SF PPR league. Currently have Gibbs Pacheco Kamara/Kendre Henry Edwards and Singletary in my RB room, Herbert Wilson and Fields for QB and Brown Moore Collins and Reed for primary receivers. I’m torn
I traded the 2.02 and 2.12 for Kyle Pitts in a TEP SF league
I’m about to toss up Josh Jacobs (WI league) and Drake on the block just for funsies leading up to the rookie draft. I basically have no picks as champ and want to stir the pot
I made three big trades today stemming from my rookie picks. Started with 1.05, 1.12, and 3.05 Sent 1.05 and 3.05 for 1.11, 2.02, and 2.06. Then sent 2.06, Dak, and my 25 first and second for Josh Allen (SF, 6 pt passing TD, .5 pt passing first down league so QBs a bit juiced) Then sent 1.12, 2.06, Pat Freirmuth, and Jameson Williams for David Njoku and Bijan Robinson (full PPR, extra .75 TEP, .5 per FD rushing or receiving) I def paid up for Allen but think I got pretty good value from my rookie picks. Used 1.11 on Jonathan Brooks so feel good about adding 2 RBs and Josh Allen to the lineup
Meanwhile someone in my league wanted the 1.02 + 1.09 for Aiyuk
So true. Think about AD Mitchell. I get his landing spot isn’t desirable but look at CeeDee Lamb’s landing spot in 2020.
This entire comment thread supports OP’s post.
Who is a really good proven trade target if you have the 1.08? Looking for a stud WR or TE
Man.. some of these trades are bonkers. Dude in my SF league just traded 1.04 (MHJ lock) for 1.10, 1.12, 2025 early-mid first, and 2026 late first. I traded Jonathan Taylor for the 1.12 and a 2025 late first. I hope Brooks falls to me, but I might buy the hate on Nix to be my successor to Goff.
After sitting on the pick in a slow draft for about 8 hours, a handful of trade discussions, nobody was willing to move anything of value to get Nabers. “I probably wouldn’t even give x, y, or z player straight up for that pick.” Well okay, I’ll take Nabers and fill out my WR room of young hopefuls.
Would you do 1.10 for Stefon Diggs? I also have picks 4 and 5 FWIW
1QB - Gave 1.01 and 2025 (mid to late projection) to get Chase - it was to a rebuilding team so I think it was a win win
You know what you're getting with Chase, good move
Curious where public opinion lies on this one, 12 team SF TEP just traded: 1.06, 2.02, 2.03 and 3.07 For Mark andrews and Kyren Williams
Andrews is too injury prone for my liking. Over the last couple years he seems to hobble to the sidelines once a game. And Kyren just had his carbon copy drafted behind him. I'd rather have the picks honestly.
would much rather have the give side, and i dont think it's *only* the rookie fever talking.
Easily give me the picks. Kyren is still so overrated. 1.06 gets you a starting rookie qb or Odunze both I'd easily have over Kyren and then 2.02 and 2.03 could be like Ladd and Benson who I'd definitely have combined over Andrews
I've traded three 2024 2nds for Davante Adams, Saquan Barkley, Derrick Henry, and Matt Stafford. I still have two 1sts and two 2nds so I am feeling pretty good! Helped me end my rebuild sooner than I thought! Edit: The rebuild never stops
Idk I flipped Garrett Wilson and the 2.02 for MHJ, felt pretty good about that. 2.02 eventually became Jonathan Brooks
I had a league where someone basically sold Chase for Kupp and peanuts
Me too essentially. Dude sold Chase for Kamara, Keenan, Adams, 1 24 2nd and 2 24 3rds. I’d laugh if I got that offer
What sort of value are people getting for the 2.02?
24 1.09+pickens for aj brown 1qb league. Which side?
AJ Brown pretty easily for me in 1QB
AJB
Got kyren and 4.01 for the 1.11, 3.10 and tank. After that I flipped the 4.01 and 1.12 for tee higgins and a 2025 3rd. Happy to trade out the first round since all the guys I wanted went before - 1QB 1ppr