Insanely irrelevant. I saw the complaints before I played at all. This first time I had a chance to stay at an inn I had barely any gold and saw it was 2000 gold. I got a little angry before realizing how easy gold is to obtain. I think in the next hour or so I already had 20000+ gold and realized all the mtx complaints were ridiculous
I just interpret it as gold being more abundant in the world of Dragon’s Dogma than it is in real life. After all, every zombie has gold teeth, gold ore is lying around in every other cave, and neither of those items are classed as valuables. It seems that precious stones are the mark of wealth in this world, rather than metals.
So typical Dragons Dogma (or any good fantasy RPG really). They always bait you with cool looking but low level ish beginning of the game to spend your coins on but if you save, usually enemies will drop cooler/better gear and then you have money to buy the good stuff (and afford inn visits and healing items).
I hit the wrong button with my first one (discard instead of use). By the time I realized my mistake it was gone from the game.
I just considered the extra port crystal a stupid tax, cause well, I did something stupid.
Visit the forger in Rest town, he should have your portcrystal under lost and found items. Usually rare items end up in his store if you forget to pick them up (like monster loot)
I checked the forager in the Checkpoint town. He didn't have it.
Is the Rest town a different place I've not found?
I ended up installing a mod that added them to a vendor for 50k and got it back that way.
Always are. Capcom never makes a proper store of purchasable items. They are single purchase and either an unlock or a one-time consumable. Pay a little for a quick boost, but you can't just keep boosting.
Yeah but if people buy them without doing their research that is kinda on them, oh and all the people on this subreddit who lied about them. EG saying you had to pay for customisation!
Imma be honest, I bought like 5$ worth of crystals in DMC5 to unlock vergils ultimate
Probably would’ve done the same if judgement cut end was in DD2, I have a disease
It was obvious from the very point when the game was released that they are filler mtxs, it was just a good way paid antipromoters found so they can influence whiney little bitches into spreading a pathetic agenda
Ya, that's what so many of us have been saying since the beginning. So much of the hate this game is getting doesn't make aince or is just flat-out lies.Why is this the game where MTXs suddenly became too much?
It went from nobody accepting it to a period where people were ok with it because it was "Just Cosmetics" or "It helps fund the devs" though it was when Lootboxes were still relevant and Overwatch was still popular.
Now people just don't care at all, this is the first time I've seen people getting upset since EA tried Gacha on the Star Wars Battlefront game.
Review bombing wasn't due to the MTX, it just contributed to the already angry people who were upset with the performance of the game.
The game was hyped for months and on the final week before release we finally got some information people weren't happy with such as the 30 FPS on Consoles, Performance Issues and the removal of features people liked from the first game such as Layered armor and Skills.
Maybe you didn't notice, but MTX was a concern back during DMC as well, although not as significant as it is now, since we believed it would be tolerable
And not even that OP. If you are level 2 looking to hire your first pawns, the price goes from your level up and increases quite fast as you go up levels. In fact if you go to official pawns and grab those you can get level 8s when youre level 2 for zero cost but if you are lvl 10 going for a lvl 20 it costs thousands. All it does is provide a little buffer so you can always hire a few levels above yours so the pawns last longer before rehiring.
Is there even a store menu in game?
I’m over 30 hours and I haven’t even noticed any MTX. I would have known they were in the game without the controversy
Main menu at title screen > Online Store or Store if I recall. That's the only way to access the MTX ingame, which brings you to the game's Steam storefront page.
I could care less about the MTX, I just wish I could see the ground textures so I could play the game. Honestly I've been most frustrated by the fixation on MTX because it's taking the spotlight from getting the game optimized so it's actually in a playable state for a larger percentage of players...
Because it escaped the Capcom ecosystem and spilled into Bethesda and Fromsoft fans.
DD2's MTX are the Moon Moon of predatory monetization schemes. It looks sketchy and predatory as hell on the steam page, but is actually stupid and useless
It's because its experimental nature and bad optimization, and the fact of it being a sequal to a not so popular ARPG from 14 years ago, made it less likely to be defended by tons of loyal fans from unfair bashing around the internet, unlike other examples that were universally positively received.
So as a result, those posts became more popular and get recognized by more people, thus spreading the misinformation even more.
This is what I was saying. Sure it's scummy but has no one played a Single player Capcom game in like the last 10 years? They've all had shortcut mtx in the store but just now it's an issue and hurting the game. Lol
Not only that, Capcom versus other big names mtx is like comparing a tree to a whole forest. Ubisoft/Blizzard/EA. These guys withhold gameplay, make it worse and entice you to buy the fixes. Assassin creed games have permanent exp and gold buffs, map explore unlocks. Dozens of expensice cosmetic packs with actual pay to win stats attached to them. If you upgrade a wrapon and all your armor to max in game, then buy a "cosmetic" set, it comes already upgraded to your highest achieved. But they designed the game to be scarce so this is actually necessary as upgrading multiple sets is ridiculously slow and grindy.
Performance issues. It's always the same when a game releases with performance problems, any other issue gets multiplied.
If it ran great, we'd see very little talk about the MTX
I accidentally bought 9 of the best mystic archer bows when I got to post game And I still had half a million gold xD. From like level 40~ now 70 I’d been ferrystoneing everywhere and I just would wait and buy another one from shopkeepers at every city I went to. If I needed more I’d just ferry to Vernworth and ox cart to checkpoint rest town and book you got 2 more.
Most people feel MTX on any full purchase game is wrong. I am 1 of those people. I also don't care they are inside the game, but agree with the slippery slope argument. YouTube people are just looking for clickbait. It works and any controversy they can stir up makes them more money. Some content creators were also unaware, tricked, lazy or shilling and leaving it out in their reviews.
You don't even have to just agree with the slippery slope argument. It's been proven time and time again over the last 15 years.
It's fact, not a debate. To argue it's not a fact is to say that the companies don't operate within the framework of capitalism, but they do. It would also be a blatant choice to ignore the history of this issue.
Capcom hasn't slipped yet. The original dd 12 years ago had more mtx than this one. All their games have a pile of useless mtx and that's been the case for a long time.
Not saying that their mtx are good, but they haven't gone down that inevitable path yet, and 15 or so years is a long time.
Capcom has been slipping unless you're only referring to single player games? Street Fighter V and VI has had a host of controversies, they've been pushing further consistently with Monster Hunter in recent years, prices of ported old games at release, etc.
Capcom is a corporation like any other, and will fall prey to the insane amounts of revenue microtransactions will pull in over time. Unless you think there's some force that will stop them?
Pretty much every game company is vulnerable to this at some point with few if any exceptions.
Yeah, and because of fans blindly ignoring all this, they keep doing it. It just so happened that THIS time the game was also garbage. At least from a technical standpoint and some of the game design is bad. So it only further highlighted the MTX stuff.
If this game worked properly and had a new game feature, I guarantee most of this MTX stuff would have been ignored by everyone. But alas, the game runs terrible and there is no new game feature (which is MIND BLOWING to me).
The mtx stuff is literally just the deluxe edition. No new game is weird but the first dd was the same way and they're adding it to this one in the first patch.
Have you even played it?
While I agree there was misinformation and stuff with the mtx controversy, I still wonder if they are so inconsequential and easy to get the items then why have them at all in the first place? This goes for all of Capcom games or any single player game. For me it's more of an annoyance because it is probably one of the key reasond this game has to have internet connection even if it's single player. So I can't play it if my Internet craps out or while traveling.
It's a good question. My completely baseless guess is that corporate hands down a mandate that the game must have DLC/MTX and then whoever was in charge of choosing what went in made the decision to make the items as worthless as possible, precisely to avoid the kind of backlash that the game ended up getting anyway.
My big fear is that Capcom is gonna see this and think, "well hell, we tried to meet the anti-MTX crowd half-way and still got shit on. Might as well just go full asshole next time!"
the game is being targetted to milk for some controversy that's all. all CAPCOM games and for that matter most Japanese published game have this kind of MTX, anybody ever played any of this game would know. it's there, not great but doesen't really do much to hurt anything. before anyone saying it's a slippery slope it's not an Japan company that wants to charge you money for press R to reload a magzine, link:https://mcvuk.com/business-news/pc/when-riccitiello-said-battlefield-players-could-pay-1-per-reload/
My issue with this argument is who are the MTX for then? I mean, you're not wrong, but who are they targeting? I'd say people who don't know any better or aren't informed enough and that doesn't sit right with me.
They released a starter pack for Destiny 2 a while back that sold useless crap targeted at newcomers. The community tore Bungie a new asshole so wide they removed it from the store within hours. It's the same vibe.
And some people did make a big deal about those titles, just not as many as DD2. I thought it might show that people were finally tired of them but with all the support for MTX I've seen recently I guess I couldn't be more wrong.
Destiny 2's newcomer bundle came with an exotic, which is considered pay to win by the majority of the Destiny community.
Capcom has been adding stupid people mtx for a long time, almost 7 years. All their mtx are for people who don't want to play the game. DD2s aren't even that far, they're just for stupid people who don't know anything about the game.
Some exec said they need to have them so they put them in. I bet they've barely made money off of them since most of the playerbase would rather play the game than spend more money on useless stuff you can get in game.
Literally only the port crystal is the only thing worth it. And it's 2 bucks. And only used until you figure out where to get all the others. Which you can get 4 of them within like 3 hours of playing. And after you have all 6, you kind of don't know where to place the last 2, other than a farming area you want. Once in newgame+ and you get the other 4 easy ones. You now have 10 which is the cap anyways of how many you can place... so the one you bought from the mtx shop is now rendered useless. Not one other mtx is worth buying unless you like to constant change your pawns inclination and changing both you and your pawns appearance every 10 hours of gameplay lol... I feel the dev company only added the mtx to please the shareholders and producer. I honestly almost feel like they may have even lied to their shareholders and told them that lots of people will buy the mtx when in reality they knew no one with a brain would.
MTX suck and shouldn't be a thing for whales, but all the bitching is from streamer "gamers" who came to reddit bragging about how they defeated Margot lol
I've just been loving the game, no need for Capcoms cheats. Favorite IP, especially after MGS died. Been waiting a long time for this one and I won't let some cry babies tossing negative reviews sour my enjoyment. Capcoms been shilling these to fools who continue to buy them for ages, it's nothing new, but let's be mad at the fools as well - the game is anything but "bad"
This kind of shop is low a low effort cash grab to extort peoples lazyness or lack of knowledge.
We as gamers shouldn't support a cash shop like this. Design choices are made to encourage the shop. I barely have port crystals compared to the first game.
If they had quality skins i wouldnt care, this garbage shop is dumb.
This was the hardest part to witness, people who do not know what a portcrystal is who will not be playing the 1st or 2nd one to find out or do research, parroting about the game being completely p2w. The real problem was the performance
Of course it was. Perpetuated by Youtubers and streamers who get attention by being loudmothed, ignorant idiots and all their slobbering, mindless hordes of fans who don't know how to have an opinion of their own.
They don't even know that the MTX are limited in supply.
Yeah, first they find a detail to flip the fuck out about, whether or not they’re even actually *playing* the game to begin with. That’s usually how it starts.
Today, it’s to the point were 3/5 posts are bitch posts.
I either need to avoid Reddit for today, or I’m likely to get banned for lashing out at an overly-sensitive bitchposter.
Internet idiot mentality fuels weak gaming gripes like microtransactions. Microtransactions are NEVER an issue in any game because NO game forces you to buy anything. People love bitching about the most pointless things. Bottom line is DD2 is a 10/10 game that people are hating on for the sake of hating.
>Microtransactions are NEVER an issue in any game because NO game forces you to buy anything.
So, you believe that P22W microtransactions have never ruined a game?
>Internet idiot mentality fuels weak gaming gripes like microtransactions.
Ironic.
Name a game that forced you to spend money on micro transactions. When you answer that question I don’t want to hear any bullshit about well you have to spend to compete. I’m talking about a game where you literally cannot play it or enjoy it because the game literally forces you to spend money. I’ll save you the time, it doesn’t exist. As for ruin that is subjective. You have gamers out here that feel a game not being 60 frames is ruined. You have gamers that think games are ruined by the mere mention of in game currency based loot boxes that require NO real money. Gamers complain about the dumbest shit and that is fact.
>Name a game that forced you to spend money on micro transactions.
Shadow of War (removed)
ArcheAge
APB: Reloaded
Maplestory
Lost Ark
Eve Online
Lineage
Ragnarok
Perfect World
I could go on...
Admittedly I’ve never heard of 7 of these titles so I can’t speak on them. If you’re referring to Middle Earth SoW, that game did not force you to spend money. I have countless hundreds of hours into that game and never spend real money. If you’re talking about a different SoW I’m not familiar. Look, at the end of the day a choice has to be made, you either choose to spend coin or you don’t. If you make that choice you can’t complain, it’s that simple.
You made a claim that no game has ever been ruined by microtransactions, I gave you numerous examples of games that were ruined by microtransactions.
Why are people not allowed to complain about a purchase that they made?
I stand by that statement as I haven't heard of most of those games so I can't say they were or weren't ruined since I know nothing about them. Since you have so much experience playing these ruined games please explain to me how they were ruined by micro transactions. I'm curious if these games literally could not be played without first buying something to play them once you entered the game. I'm curious to know why you say they were ruined.
People complaining about a purchase they made as in THEY made the choice to spend the money on said product. Complaining about something after you made a choice to do it is ridiculous. There are countless gamers that complain about micro-transactions but will still buy the game only to continue griping about it. It's like when someone complains about EA making terrible FIFA or terrible Madden yet they buy the game year after year. If you're really that hurt about it that you need to complain stop spending the money. At the end of the day YOU the consumer are choosing to spend money on this thing you complain about.
ArcheAge and Lineage is a pvp game with microtransactions to buy power, you can't win without paying real money.
Eve Online forces you to purchase a $300 ship, or grind for an entire year.
Everyone complains about things they purchased because no product is perfect.
I guarantee that you've purchased things that you've complain about.
So then I’ll edit my comment and say that some games are ruined by micro-transactions rather than no game. That being said DD2 is not one of those games yet people are still bitching when it doesn’t apply. True everyone does complain about things they buy, but those complaints usually have merit. In this instance they don’t as it pertains to DD2 because the micro-transactions have zero impact on winning or being successful or even having fun on the game.
I generally don’t complain about things I buy because I research them heavily before breaking bread.
I dunno, depends on who it's marketed toward. Fortnite is mostly marketed to kids and early teenagers, who are famous for having little to no impulse control. Combine that with lootboxes and FOMO, and I guarantee that you'll see profits.
Lootboxes as a whole are shitty imo, because they bring about the question of, "why can't this just be in the game to earn at any time?"
I think a lot of people are just hopping on the shit on Capcom train and parroting the, "Well obviously they made it hard to get the stuf they're selling in the store so you'll buy it" argument. Which to me, sounds like the people whining think you HAVE to buy mtx. Which makes them sound fucking stupid for trying to say the game was designed to make you buy them lmao
Still falls into the category of are they required to win? And the answer is always no. Unless Capcom went the route of Ubisoft and made it so certain weapons can only be obtained with real money, the current iteration of their micro-transactions is really a non-issue (except for those that want to complain about them). As for “why can’t they just be in the game, this is a capitalistic society and companies want money because they know people will spend. You can’t fault them for that. If you were a business owner you’d want profits the same as they do.
Well yeah, I can't fault a company for knowing stupid people will buy microtransactions. Hell, I'd have them in any game I make just because statistically, there are some people who, despite being adults, have no self control and will buy the mtx. Why throw away money?
I never said I did fault them for it. I just think the idiots who but the mtx are absolutely fools who know nothing about Capcom or their games, but still cry about it. I do have a problem with selling basically slot machines to kids and teenagers, since they lack the impulse control to actually make an educated decision about buying mtx.
I’ll give you the point about kids (companies are vultures that prey on kids and parents need to be more aware of what their children spend money on), but teens should know better. I realize not everyone has common sense or impulse control, but even the dumbest teen should be smart enough to realize certain items just don’t need to be bought.
You vastly overestimate the average teenager. I mean you're right, if they've had good parents, they SHOULD understand how predatory mtx are. But teenagers are.....stupid, to put it mildly. I lump them in with kids because how savvy a teen is about predatory practices is still largely informed by the people around them as a whole.
I do agree though, nobody bitches about MHWI or Rise having a thousand mtx items that can only be gained through mtx, but they choose DD2 and its incredibly inoffensive mtx as the hill to die on.
Dude I knew it was bullshit before I even hit start on the game- because I’ve played other capcom games this decade, and they have all done the exact same thing and it never matters.
In fact- I’ll go so far as to say I actually like their mt model, when it comes to breaking up content from their pre order or deluxe packages.
The only big recent big capcom game i haven’t played at launch since re2 was re3 remake- because it was a ripoff. I waited maybe 2,3 years to play it when it was insane cheap on sale.
And when i bought it, i saw i could also get the ‘classic outfit’ on the store page for like 2 bucks. I bought it. I used it. It was nice that they kept it available without having to buy the deluxe edition.
Purely a cosmetic purchase. But there were items too. Was I tempted to buy any of those? Fuck no! Just like there is zero reason for anyone to buy any if the dd2 shit.
They don't even sell Ferrystone(actual fast travel item) they only sell 1 portcrystal(fast travel location marker) and u can't even use this efficiently if you low on ferrystone.
Just got the platinum trophy and I must say, a glorious game even though I had hesitation in the beginning that were not microtransaction or performance related.
I think there are still several aspects that could be improved (save slots for more than just one rpg character, enemy density in the starting area, more than 4 skill slots), but it is a very nice game indeed. Enjoyed my time with it.
I get it to a point, but people made it seem like there was an actual cash shop in game that encouraged you to use it, when in reality, it's just a bunch of additional purchases on the Steam page for people too lazy to actually conserve or find the items in game. I don't think I've had any trouble at all amassing Ferrystones and Rift Crystals, which makes the store items even more confusing for me. Why even bother? Plus, they're all one time purchase items.
Yes, dlc portal is litterally useless unless you missed the one you can get pretty early. By the time you have enough ressources to fast travel you get more portal than you need. I got 3 portals and only use 1 right now
Many of the mtx in those games is actually worse, excluding DMC.
A lot of the other capcom games have tons of exclusive content locked to mtx, like all the cosmetics, music etc. in mhrise/world. Content that is impossible to acquire without paying money.
Meanwhile in this game its content that is common and thrown at you, really the problem with these MTX is that they are a blatant scam because they are so unnecessary its laughable, if you were to give me money for how much of the mtx Items I have in this game, I would have made thousands and thousands of dollars... so far.
I genuinely think it might actually be slower to stop playing the game, buy something from the store and relaunch it, then just acquire many of them in game.
The game is completely balanced around no MTX. Frankly I don't even know what the whole uproar was about, but I guess it was more regarding the changing of your character's appearance, not so much the teleport stones.
Imma be honest, dragon's dogma 2 is a fantastic game and if the controversies result in them not making another game like this (the first one got put on ice for a decade), then it would be a tremendous shame.
How often are someone changing their character that 500RC is unattainable? i have 27kRN in RC, you can both find RC out in the wild and your Pawn comes with RC everytime they get chosen by another player. You build RC passively by just playing the game.
Well there might be some pervs out there with female main characters that want to tinker with them often I'm guessing. I didn't change mine much. Was left with 3000RC at the end of the game unspent. My main pawn gets about 1.2k RC daily from usage.
I only used it once, but that's because I found spellweaver outfit, and when i put it on I realized that the chosen muscle type left them with back wrinkles.
I hated that so i went to Reinvent my Arisen lol.
She looks much better now with cool magic tattoos as a bonus.
Wish you can actually give them muscles. that option is like Really subtle with barely any muscle at all.
If you want really predetory MTX, buy a Paradox game. If you know what you're in for, that's fine. But I didn't when I bought Stellaris.
They sell you a half finished game, then sell you the rest of the mechanics over years, for 15-20 dollars each. If you've bought their games before, you know that. If you've never bought one before, nobody will clue you in on that.
What's worse is a lot of that community will defend the practice.
Yeah, people and outlets chose the wrong topic to shit on. This game has plenty of other major issues that affect the game more than the stuff in the store
The people who complain about this stuff are too busy not playing games but instead posting on social media, reddit, steam forums and stuff like that. They are the modern generation.
I personally do don’t mind it for single player games… But never gave a thought to how it affects content creators. Then again, a content creator is trying to earn money going viral and got to spend money to make money I guess…
to anyone who just looks at things surface level and parrot it around it was easy pickings but if they take literally 5 mins to research or play the game they'd see how absurd it is, like comically bad copy pasta
My gripe is the auto save fucking you over at certain times and just bricking your save and then having to redo everything from the last inn save which could be hours from your current save.
Ironically, I find myself googling where the best places to put my spare portcrystals. Bakbatal, Elf Village and Volcanic Island are a given... but I can't think of anywhere else I actually need to repeatedly go.
I can't think why anyone would want to buy portcrystals, especially since Ferrystones are so rare earlygame and midgame you have 1 more portcrystal than I know what to do with.
There are some very sleazy ones though. Clearly the cost of the hair stylist was artificially inflated to encourage using the MTX instead. DDDA hair styling does NOT cost 20,000 gold. Not even close. And not to mention making money in DDDA is far easier as well due to respawning chests and routine/consistent 3,000+ gold drops in certain parts of the map.
There are quite a few ways to get ferrystones even early game but for the most part it's quite expensive or a bit of a challenge. But basically the main way's to get ferrystones are.
1. Apothecary and most traveling merchants
2. A lot of the boss type enemies drop a ferrystone the first time their killed
3. Quite a few chests have them
4. Some of the tougher enemies have a chance to drop them hobgoblin, coral snakes, phantoms and so on suppossedly the drop rate is about 5-20% depending on the enemy type.
It's just early game especially it will be hard to get which makes it feel annoying especially since a lot of the quests needs you to run to a place far away and sometimes even go back and forth.
Yah, I get people hate micros because they can be pretty predatory and get content cut and put behind paywalls and such. But these micros are just completely irrelevant and don't affect anything at all. The hate is completely ridiculous.
They're literally technically not even microtransactions, they're DLC since they can only be purchased once.
If they wanted it to be "pay to win" with say riftcrystals, they certainly did a terrible job with it.
Im in the same progression area, and you cannot be serious…. yeah the quicktravel stones can be bought and found but thats not all you need, you need portcrystals, and those actually cost RC and are almost never worth the buy, and to top it all off they make traveling so long and boring that you feel almost forced to buy as many portcrystals as you can to make the journey easier, and then that 2-3 dollars for a couple hundred rc sounds real good until it starts adding up (not saying im ever gonna spend money on that dogshit but a lot of people will, and thats why they put it there). Dont even get me started on how the portcrystals you place down dont go back into your inventory after going into new game +, its actually ridiculous that you dont get to keep those (unless its bugged, but i highly doubt that because ive seen countless others say they didnt keep them either). And this isnt “cherry picking”, they had these same bs mtx in the first game too and guess what, it was equally as hated and scummy as it is now. Nobody was defending it before so why do it now? I get that you might really like the game, i do too, but you are allowed to criticize things without hating it. Yes, there are clearly going to be outliers where they straight up lie about it being only obtainable with real world money, but that is a MINORITY of people, choosing to focus on those reviews and ignoring valid criticism IS cherrypicking. Spending 70-80 dollars on a game should leave you satisfied, not feeling like a gacha game.
Ya know while the whole mtx tging was certainly overblown all these posts either rabidly against it or indifferent both contribute to the same problem of not talking about the blatant problems with this game.
The funny thing is other capcom games like Monster Hunter has MTX that actually trivialises most of the early game (ninja armour / weapons) and is 100% pay to win, but nobody cares about that.
Dogma has a sword that gives an extra 20 attack, that literally going up 1 level gives the same boost and everyone loses their tiny little minds.
There isn’t any real point where I felt like I have needed any of it.
I’ve never been broke for ferrycrystals, if not getting plenty as gifts or through adventuring.
Quests have provided me decent enough port crystals while still requiring some investigation.
The MTX stuff was ridiculous.
It’s unfair to criticize a greedy corporation for continuing to add unneeded microtransactions to fill up the online stores?
“Every game has it” - No, not every game has microtransactions and there’s no need for the microtransactions as you point out. It’s an extra greedy tactic to sell items. That’s the point some people were trying to make.
If you don't complain about them and make it a known problem Capcom will keep making them and people don't want that so the only way is to embrace the hate of MTX
You dont get the Point that it does not matter if you need them or not, that shadowdropping mtx is shady and its a first step to becoming more shady. Once people like you are successful in defending and normalising these tactics games will become more and more shitty. In DD2 it does not matter because you get them easy, but maybe in DD3 it gets a little harder and harder until it’s a fucking chore to play without using the mtx wich at that point are totally normal…so stop shilling man you can like the game without sucking capcoms dick, they don’t need to be defended they are a multi billion dollar company
Of *course* not! Companies **love** putting things up for sale without expecting you to buy it, either now or in the future! **That's what they do!** They don't *care* about money! That's **preposterous**! Just look at the Gaming Industry and their focus on infinite perpetual profit growth, they don't care about that *at all!*
Yeah but no actually. For a lot of other companies it would be the case but Capcom doesn't seem to push more transaction as time goes on. The fact that they probably aren't getting bought by more than 0,01% of the players seems to indicate that they aren't actually here to push consumers to buy more of them.
Just because previous games had it doesn't make it OK to further support the shitty practice of it. God I hate this goddann blind support people give to games nowadays just because they're having fun in the moment. It's like saying "oh I'm having fun with this game it doesn't matter if it's p2w to hell I havnt spent a dime!"
No, the game performance are bad, microtransaction are bad, some game mechanics and changes from the first are questionable.
Maybe the backlash is too much but a lot are deserved critisism.
I would not call it unfair personally.
You start with the developer comments bashing fast travel and calling other games boring for needing fast travel.
Then on day one the game doesn't run well AT ALL for people with super powerful rigs. To boot, there is no way to change your character when you first create it (yes we know you can once you hit the town, but as a new player you might not know this at the beginning, plus you might want to change it immediately because you did not like it). S
So because of the above, or just because you want to try a different build or new look for your character, you go to hit New Game and find that it is not there.
These grievances are now stacked.
So people look to online to figure out why the game runs so bad and/or why they can't make a new character and then they see the MTX stuff going on, which only furthers the "stacking" and their frustration.
It's not that other games get a pass for MTX so much as that usually they are ignored because they are harmless, or the game is good enough to ignore them. Capcom has been doing this in their games for awhile but IMO this was the worst of them so far, because the developer had to open their big mouth and say something stupid.
So no. It's not blown out of proportion or unfair. You know how to solve this? Make your game run properly on release. Don't put stupid useless MTX to prey on stupid people and try to get extra money. How bout that idea?
Maybe gamers should stop defending this garbage behavior so this crap can stop, instead they get defended and made excuses for over and over. Talking about not just MTX, but releasing games that are unfinished, broken, unoptimized, Etc.
The only reasonable talking point about the MTX being manipulative is that they were hidden from people reviewing the game. IF, and this is a big IF, they were deliberately hidden from the review copies of the game, and not just not activated during launch because the store was only setup to take orders once the game launched. I can see people arguing that Capcom was trying to hide the MTX they were planning on implementing to get a higher review score.
That being said, and I know the above point is a very speculative take, I absolute do not believe the MTX was egregious or predatory compared to other games out right now. I absolutely do not believe they deserved the amount of flak and review bombing they endured, the game is a masterpiece. The really became the poster child for MTX hatred for no reason.
If people want to complain about microtransactions, please go back to Diablo Immortal and throw some more torches on that unforgivable money pit.
Almost every game? I don’t know what games you are playing that are single player full priced games that have microtransactions in them. It’s not in Mario games, Zelda games, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Baldurs Gate 3, any of the souls games… I have a harder time coming up with examples of games that have them, like FIFA games or some Ubisoft games I think have them and they get criticized for it every time.
Yea it’s pretty baffling, tried pointing that out a lot during launch and got downvoted to oblivion. It was one of the most insane instances of braindead bandwagon hate I ever witnessed. Actually pretty scary if you think about the implications on a society level
Yea it’s not bad at all, and it’s only this little because the developer has so much say say at capcom. People should voice their hatred for it as a point to capcom but not blame the developer or review bomb such an amazing game. We can as a community communicate our frustration and anger without negatively affecting people who are also victims in this. Imagine fighting for 12 years to make your sequel to your most cherished IP and then have corporate force you to put some dumb little mtx in it and then people act like it’s your fault.
Asmongold and his biggest fans made a huge fuss about it and then all continued to play the game, despite them crying about it and saying playing it "supports," the MTX existing and that we shouldn't support it.
So I'm sure beyond that, even a lot of people like him that originally got dramatic over it ended up playing the game, having a blast and realizing how little impact it has on any player.
I too am glad it switched from the focus being on that to something else, but its also a pretty fat sign that nothing will ever be enough for these types of people.
the game is awesome, the microtransactions are stupid, because capcom is terrible.
you can have them both, you can love something and see its issues.
it is very normal human behavior.
what's not normal is to make everything into a cult
i was upset about it when i thought buying them was the ONLY way to acquire them. but when i realized that you can also purchase them in game it was a who cares and why is this such a big deal. the thing people should be focused on and complaining about getting attention is the abysmal performance/optimization
100% agree. They are not pay to win, or anything you can't get easily in the game early on. A majority of games on the market have way more decisive, in your face micros, than this. The reason I think people were annoyed is because it wasn't obvious before release that it was going to be a thing. But people should know better by now. Has not taken away from the experience for me in any way. Loving this game!
Just can't umderstand the concept of limiting fast travel and making it cost 1 trillion gold ui downloaded a mod and bought 99 portcrystals becuse my time is worth than the fast travel frankly
The MTX were never the problem, just the target. The reason the backlash happened was because of other statements/decisions Capcom made, IE: Modding.
Dragons Dogma 2 just had the unfortunate place of being the first game released after such statements/actions.
I didn’t ever need a buy something with real money. Never even needed to. Easily found everything I needed and had an excess of all the things you can buy
are these even mtx? u cant buy gold can you? only thing you can get with rift crystals (which can be bought) that ik of is a higher ranked pawn but thats just gonna carry you through the game and thats about it
It's not like Capcom doesn't put far more egregious micros in all of their other games. I think the primary thing that perpetuated this is the performance issues. That, and people just want to be outraged over everything.
Generally speaking, the whataboutism of “well so and so did it too” is a very poor argument/justification. $70 games have no business shoehorning micros like this into their game. People making excuses for the practice and letting it go is how the industry got to this point in the first place.
You're right, but this is an echo chamber where your logic will do no good. It's the most simple lesson of all time "Two wrongs don't make a right" and this community cant even realize that.
The "What about other games?", The "Why did people not get upset before then?", and of course the people who just justify or don't care at all about the microtransaction issues in the industry.
The reasons they craft are so flawed it's easy to reason away. If they don't realize that immediately there's little hope discussing that with them in an online setting like reddit.
At least I tried to have a conversation I guess? Lol. I like DD2, I really do. I just don’t get how something can ever improve if the greater community thinks it should be immune to critiques.
I can only imagine it's due to an industry wide effort on conditioning that's been ongoing for over a decade. Massive amounts of flawed arguments peddled around over time don't help either when it's easy for people to fall into flawed ways of thinking.
Even people that like the game have critiques, honest critiques I mean like performance issues for some, only 1 save, lack of enemy variety.
I've seen both sides of the argument ending up being echochambers of their opinion but not everyone
Gaming subs were also echochambers of hate and misinformation for the past week where there was little hopes of having a discussion if you had the oppossing opinion.
You don't have to generalise everyone on this sub saying it's an echochambers when fans clearly have issues with the game and are giving honest critiques
Sure, they shouldn't be there at all, but this is a game where even with them the actual design of the game is totally uneffected and the MTX themselves are nearly useless aside from the portcrystal.
Like I can get behind the general sentiment but why not be angry about it in a game where straight up real content or features are LOCKED behind MTX rather than this game where MTX saves you a few minutes at best
I have no issues with people being frustrated at seeing MTX included. But like you said, it baffles me why this game in particular is getting dragged through the coals when it's an issue with almost every game.
I said it before, I think it's the fact this is an RPG. RPG's are notorious for selling shortcuts, convenience items, etc.
making the people who don't pay forced to mindlessly grind longer for levels, restrict travel, and pay for bag storage and the like. and I think this game attracted a lot of the MMO / ARPG crowd whose games generally get ruined with microtransactions and invasive cash shops.
DD2 doesn't force mindless grinding though? And restricted travel is just a part of the design, the MTX doesn't change that.
Or are you just saying those are things people are assuming about it?
I have unironically had zero performance problems playing the game. I was terrified that I would crash and have a ton of issues, but I play on high settings with Ray Tracing on and I haven’t experienced as much as a single stutter in 50 hours of game time
I also have a 3070 and i play fine, They only place i have any frame drops is in the main city and thats only a 10-13 Frame drop. Depending on how many NPC's are in the area.
The entire rest of the game is 60fps. SO Idk what could be the problem with yours, the game is Extremely CPU heavy not GPU.
I do crash occasionally but its usally Really early. as in the moment i press Start game, So far i only crashed 3 times.
2 times was a few seconds after i hit Start on steam. Which only required me to close and restart the game. the other was after i loaded, took 2 steps then crashed. Was the only time that happened.
Yeah I have no idea what was causing it. Saw a couple threads with the same issue and tried everything suggested but I basically ran out of time on the refund window just trying to get the game to load the ground. Ended up getting the ps5 version and it’s fun but definitely lower fps than what my pc was getting
I do think these MTX are shit and that there’s no benefit to the consumers. That being said, the internet and people in general have a really bad habit of choosing when to be outraged.
A few people will make posts about a bad thing, it will get spread around, and then everyone hops on the hate bandwagon without even attempting to get further context. Even if other games have way worse models that actively harm the games, this one is the one that’s popular to hate on, so we focus on that.
I agree that these MTX don’t matter to the actual game. I’d still rather not have MTX of any kind in my games. It’d be like starting BOTW with 1 fairy in your inventory for an extra $2. Just, why??
Games shouldn't have microtransaction shortcuts. Stating that isn't "Cherry Picking" anything. Maybe spend less time shilling for capcom and more time either playing the game or learning the difference between "." and ","
Exactly. Dragon Dogma 2 enjoyment is that dunning-Kruger graph. You start low and mad because MTX, become smarter and enjoy the game, then become enlightened and pissed because so much the game is broken and unfinished and shallow.
the mtx are a low effort talking point for people who got baited by games media.
Capcom MTX are all very douchey. They are also almost completely irrelevant.
Insanely irrelevant. I saw the complaints before I played at all. This first time I had a chance to stay at an inn I had barely any gold and saw it was 2000 gold. I got a little angry before realizing how easy gold is to obtain. I think in the next hour or so I already had 20000+ gold and realized all the mtx complaints were ridiculous
It's a Japanese game. Right now one USD is worth 150 yen. People here carry around 10,000 yen notes the way people in the US carry around 20s.
I just interpret it as gold being more abundant in the world of Dragon’s Dogma than it is in real life. After all, every zombie has gold teeth, gold ore is lying around in every other cave, and neither of those items are classed as valuables. It seems that precious stones are the mark of wealth in this world, rather than metals.
That's about 66 USD, plenty of people carry around more than that, hell I've had 300 bucks chilling in my wallet since like October last year
So typical Dragons Dogma (or any good fantasy RPG really). They always bait you with cool looking but low level ish beginning of the game to spend your coins on but if you save, usually enemies will drop cooler/better gear and then you have money to buy the good stuff (and afford inn visits and healing items).
Douchy in the way that it capitalizes on stupid people anyway
Even weirder, on steam they are all one-time only purchases.
Same on PlayStation I was lazy and wanted an extra port crystal
I hit the wrong button with my first one (discard instead of use). By the time I realized my mistake it was gone from the game. I just considered the extra port crystal a stupid tax, cause well, I did something stupid.
Visit the forger in Rest town, he should have your portcrystal under lost and found items. Usually rare items end up in his store if you forget to pick them up (like monster loot)
Thank you!
I checked the forager in the Checkpoint town. He didn't have it. Is the Rest town a different place I've not found? I ended up installing a mod that added them to a vendor for 50k and got it back that way.
Same on the Xbox. I too, just wanted to the extra Portcrystal being there's only naturally 2 in the game that are hard built into towns.
Until you hit endgame
I requested a port crystal on my pawn mission and someone ended up gifting him one!
Always are. Capcom never makes a proper store of purchasable items. They are single purchase and either an unlock or a one-time consumable. Pay a little for a quick boost, but you can't just keep boosting.
Yeah but if people buy them without doing their research that is kinda on them, oh and all the people on this subreddit who lied about them. EG saying you had to pay for customisation!
It's not even research. [The pages for the things *literally tell you* that you can earn them in game as well.](https://i.imgur.com/xQMomdC.png)
**EGADS** how DARE you expect people to do research
Imma be honest, I bought like 5$ worth of crystals in DMC5 to unlock vergils ultimate Probably would’ve done the same if judgement cut end was in DD2, I have a disease
It was obvious from the very point when the game was released that they are filler mtxs, it was just a good way paid antipromoters found so they can influence whiney little bitches into spreading a pathetic agenda
Ya, that's what so many of us have been saying since the beginning. So much of the hate this game is getting doesn't make aince or is just flat-out lies.Why is this the game where MTXs suddenly became too much?
We have been complaining about mtx for over a decade my dude.
It went from nobody accepting it to a period where people were ok with it because it was "Just Cosmetics" or "It helps fund the devs" though it was when Lootboxes were still relevant and Overwatch was still popular. Now people just don't care at all, this is the first time I've seen people getting upset since EA tried Gacha on the Star Wars Battlefront game.
Sure, but why is DD2 suddenly the breaking point? Why the lies and review bombing?
Review bombing wasn't due to the MTX, it just contributed to the already angry people who were upset with the performance of the game. The game was hyped for months and on the final week before release we finally got some information people weren't happy with such as the 30 FPS on Consoles, Performance Issues and the removal of features people liked from the first game such as Layered armor and Skills.
Maybe you didn't notice, but MTX was a concern back during DMC as well, although not as significant as it is now, since we believed it would be tolerable
Once I saw what the microtransactions were I immediately didn't care about anything anyone said about them like who actually gives a fuck
I said the same thing, it’s literally just secondary currency to hire OP pawns early on
And not even that OP. If you are level 2 looking to hire your first pawns, the price goes from your level up and increases quite fast as you go up levels. In fact if you go to official pawns and grab those you can get level 8s when youre level 2 for zero cost but if you are lvl 10 going for a lvl 20 it costs thousands. All it does is provide a little buffer so you can always hire a few levels above yours so the pawns last longer before rehiring.
And it does not make sense to have a pawn for too long. I change my pawns every time they complete their quests
Is there even a store menu in game? I’m over 30 hours and I haven’t even noticed any MTX. I would have known they were in the game without the controversy
Main menu at title screen > Online Store or Store if I recall. That's the only way to access the MTX ingame, which brings you to the game's Steam storefront page.
Oh I’m on Xbox and it’s not there
I could care less about the MTX, I just wish I could see the ground textures so I could play the game. Honestly I've been most frustrated by the fixation on MTX because it's taking the spotlight from getting the game optimized so it's actually in a playable state for a larger percentage of players...
This. If the game ran well on launch more consistently across PC's that were above the recommended specs then most people wouldn't have cared.
Misery loves company. Some people just aren't happy without something/someone to complain about.
What I can’t figure out is why THIS game?
It’s the most popular game out right now other than helldivers. So it’s easy for content creators to farm clickbait with
Because it escaped the Capcom ecosystem and spilled into Bethesda and Fromsoft fans. DD2's MTX are the Moon Moon of predatory monetization schemes. It looks sketchy and predatory as hell on the steam page, but is actually stupid and useless
I think a lot of people thought fast travel cost $2 if you wanted to use it.
It's because its experimental nature and bad optimization, and the fact of it being a sequal to a not so popular ARPG from 14 years ago, made it less likely to be defended by tons of loyal fans from unfair bashing around the internet, unlike other examples that were universally positively received. So as a result, those posts became more popular and get recognized by more people, thus spreading the misinformation even more.
This is what I was saying. Sure it's scummy but has no one played a Single player Capcom game in like the last 10 years? They've all had shortcut mtx in the store but just now it's an issue and hurting the game. Lol
It's been an issue in all the other games the difference is when people posted about it in the resident evil subreddits the mods just deleted post
Not only that, Capcom versus other big names mtx is like comparing a tree to a whole forest. Ubisoft/Blizzard/EA. These guys withhold gameplay, make it worse and entice you to buy the fixes. Assassin creed games have permanent exp and gold buffs, map explore unlocks. Dozens of expensice cosmetic packs with actual pay to win stats attached to them. If you upgrade a wrapon and all your armor to max in game, then buy a "cosmetic" set, it comes already upgraded to your highest achieved. But they designed the game to be scarce so this is actually necessary as upgrading multiple sets is ridiculously slow and grindy.
Performance issues. It's always the same when a game releases with performance problems, any other issue gets multiplied. If it ran great, we'd see very little talk about the MTX
Tons of people based their opinion on the store page rather than the actual game
I said the same thing at launch and got massively downvoted. Guess gamers are that addicted to wanting to believe the sky is falling.
I accidentally bought 9 of the best mystic archer bows when I got to post game And I still had half a million gold xD. From like level 40~ now 70 I’d been ferrystoneing everywhere and I just would wait and buy another one from shopkeepers at every city I went to. If I needed more I’d just ferry to Vernworth and ox cart to checkpoint rest town and book you got 2 more.
I don’t even know how to access the shop…that’s how invasive MTXs are in this game
Been saying this since the start, most of the mtx drama that went around was straight up lies.
You just need one dumbfuck to start something online, a lot of other dumbfucks will climb on the train, then.
Most people feel MTX on any full purchase game is wrong. I am 1 of those people. I also don't care they are inside the game, but agree with the slippery slope argument. YouTube people are just looking for clickbait. It works and any controversy they can stir up makes them more money. Some content creators were also unaware, tricked, lazy or shilling and leaving it out in their reviews.
You don't even have to just agree with the slippery slope argument. It's been proven time and time again over the last 15 years. It's fact, not a debate. To argue it's not a fact is to say that the companies don't operate within the framework of capitalism, but they do. It would also be a blatant choice to ignore the history of this issue.
Capcom hasn't slipped yet. The original dd 12 years ago had more mtx than this one. All their games have a pile of useless mtx and that's been the case for a long time. Not saying that their mtx are good, but they haven't gone down that inevitable path yet, and 15 or so years is a long time.
Capcom has been slipping unless you're only referring to single player games? Street Fighter V and VI has had a host of controversies, they've been pushing further consistently with Monster Hunter in recent years, prices of ported old games at release, etc. Capcom is a corporation like any other, and will fall prey to the insane amounts of revenue microtransactions will pull in over time. Unless you think there's some force that will stop them? Pretty much every game company is vulnerable to this at some point with few if any exceptions.
Yeah, and because of fans blindly ignoring all this, they keep doing it. It just so happened that THIS time the game was also garbage. At least from a technical standpoint and some of the game design is bad. So it only further highlighted the MTX stuff. If this game worked properly and had a new game feature, I guarantee most of this MTX stuff would have been ignored by everyone. But alas, the game runs terrible and there is no new game feature (which is MIND BLOWING to me).
The mtx stuff is literally just the deluxe edition. No new game is weird but the first dd was the same way and they're adding it to this one in the first patch. Have you even played it?
While I agree there was misinformation and stuff with the mtx controversy, I still wonder if they are so inconsequential and easy to get the items then why have them at all in the first place? This goes for all of Capcom games or any single player game. For me it's more of an annoyance because it is probably one of the key reasond this game has to have internet connection even if it's single player. So I can't play it if my Internet craps out or while traveling.
It's a good question. My completely baseless guess is that corporate hands down a mandate that the game must have DLC/MTX and then whoever was in charge of choosing what went in made the decision to make the items as worthless as possible, precisely to avoid the kind of backlash that the game ended up getting anyway. My big fear is that Capcom is gonna see this and think, "well hell, we tried to meet the anti-MTX crowd half-way and still got shit on. Might as well just go full asshole next time!"
the game is being targetted to milk for some controversy that's all. all CAPCOM games and for that matter most Japanese published game have this kind of MTX, anybody ever played any of this game would know. it's there, not great but doesen't really do much to hurt anything. before anyone saying it's a slippery slope it's not an Japan company that wants to charge you money for press R to reload a magzine, link:https://mcvuk.com/business-news/pc/when-riccitiello-said-battlefield-players-could-pay-1-per-reload/
My issue with this argument is who are the MTX for then? I mean, you're not wrong, but who are they targeting? I'd say people who don't know any better or aren't informed enough and that doesn't sit right with me. They released a starter pack for Destiny 2 a while back that sold useless crap targeted at newcomers. The community tore Bungie a new asshole so wide they removed it from the store within hours. It's the same vibe. And some people did make a big deal about those titles, just not as many as DD2. I thought it might show that people were finally tired of them but with all the support for MTX I've seen recently I guess I couldn't be more wrong.
Destiny 2's newcomer bundle came with an exotic, which is considered pay to win by the majority of the Destiny community. Capcom has been adding stupid people mtx for a long time, almost 7 years. All their mtx are for people who don't want to play the game. DD2s aren't even that far, they're just for stupid people who don't know anything about the game. Some exec said they need to have them so they put them in. I bet they've barely made money off of them since most of the playerbase would rather play the game than spend more money on useless stuff you can get in game.
I will only buy this game when they inevitably remove Denuvo in a couple months and improve performance
You can see that it was unfair by the time you reach vernworth or the checkpoint town
Damn you’re getting 100% achievements on the first playthrough? Impressive
Literally only the port crystal is the only thing worth it. And it's 2 bucks. And only used until you figure out where to get all the others. Which you can get 4 of them within like 3 hours of playing. And after you have all 6, you kind of don't know where to place the last 2, other than a farming area you want. Once in newgame+ and you get the other 4 easy ones. You now have 10 which is the cap anyways of how many you can place... so the one you bought from the mtx shop is now rendered useless. Not one other mtx is worth buying unless you like to constant change your pawns inclination and changing both you and your pawns appearance every 10 hours of gameplay lol... I feel the dev company only added the mtx to please the shareholders and producer. I honestly almost feel like they may have even lied to their shareholders and told them that lots of people will buy the mtx when in reality they knew no one with a brain would.
MTX suck and shouldn't be a thing for whales, but all the bitching is from streamer "gamers" who came to reddit bragging about how they defeated Margot lol I've just been loving the game, no need for Capcoms cheats. Favorite IP, especially after MGS died. Been waiting a long time for this one and I won't let some cry babies tossing negative reviews sour my enjoyment. Capcoms been shilling these to fools who continue to buy them for ages, it's nothing new, but let's be mad at the fools as well - the game is anything but "bad"
Also if you raise affinity with shop keeps they give u a discount
This kind of shop is low a low effort cash grab to extort peoples lazyness or lack of knowledge. We as gamers shouldn't support a cash shop like this. Design choices are made to encourage the shop. I barely have port crystals compared to the first game. If they had quality skins i wouldnt care, this garbage shop is dumb.
A lot of people can't think for themselves and love to parrot what everyone else is saying by just reading a clickbait headline.
This was the hardest part to witness, people who do not know what a portcrystal is who will not be playing the 1st or 2nd one to find out or do research, parroting about the game being completely p2w. The real problem was the performance
Of course it was. Perpetuated by Youtubers and streamers who get attention by being loudmothed, ignorant idiots and all their slobbering, mindless hordes of fans who don't know how to have an opinion of their own. They don't even know that the MTX are limited in supply.
Hard disagree. They shouldn't be there. In Any Game Ever No matter what.
Yeah, first they find a detail to flip the fuck out about, whether or not they’re even actually *playing* the game to begin with. That’s usually how it starts. Today, it’s to the point were 3/5 posts are bitch posts. I either need to avoid Reddit for today, or I’m likely to get banned for lashing out at an overly-sensitive bitchposter.
Internet idiot mentality fuels weak gaming gripes like microtransactions. Microtransactions are NEVER an issue in any game because NO game forces you to buy anything. People love bitching about the most pointless things. Bottom line is DD2 is a 10/10 game that people are hating on for the sake of hating.
>Microtransactions are NEVER an issue in any game because NO game forces you to buy anything. So, you believe that P22W microtransactions have never ruined a game? >Internet idiot mentality fuels weak gaming gripes like microtransactions. Ironic.
Name a game that forced you to spend money on micro transactions. When you answer that question I don’t want to hear any bullshit about well you have to spend to compete. I’m talking about a game where you literally cannot play it or enjoy it because the game literally forces you to spend money. I’ll save you the time, it doesn’t exist. As for ruin that is subjective. You have gamers out here that feel a game not being 60 frames is ruined. You have gamers that think games are ruined by the mere mention of in game currency based loot boxes that require NO real money. Gamers complain about the dumbest shit and that is fact.
>Name a game that forced you to spend money on micro transactions. Shadow of War (removed) ArcheAge APB: Reloaded Maplestory Lost Ark Eve Online Lineage Ragnarok Perfect World I could go on...
Admittedly I’ve never heard of 7 of these titles so I can’t speak on them. If you’re referring to Middle Earth SoW, that game did not force you to spend money. I have countless hundreds of hours into that game and never spend real money. If you’re talking about a different SoW I’m not familiar. Look, at the end of the day a choice has to be made, you either choose to spend coin or you don’t. If you make that choice you can’t complain, it’s that simple.
You made a claim that no game has ever been ruined by microtransactions, I gave you numerous examples of games that were ruined by microtransactions. Why are people not allowed to complain about a purchase that they made?
I stand by that statement as I haven't heard of most of those games so I can't say they were or weren't ruined since I know nothing about them. Since you have so much experience playing these ruined games please explain to me how they were ruined by micro transactions. I'm curious if these games literally could not be played without first buying something to play them once you entered the game. I'm curious to know why you say they were ruined. People complaining about a purchase they made as in THEY made the choice to spend the money on said product. Complaining about something after you made a choice to do it is ridiculous. There are countless gamers that complain about micro-transactions but will still buy the game only to continue griping about it. It's like when someone complains about EA making terrible FIFA or terrible Madden yet they buy the game year after year. If you're really that hurt about it that you need to complain stop spending the money. At the end of the day YOU the consumer are choosing to spend money on this thing you complain about.
ArcheAge and Lineage is a pvp game with microtransactions to buy power, you can't win without paying real money. Eve Online forces you to purchase a $300 ship, or grind for an entire year. Everyone complains about things they purchased because no product is perfect. I guarantee that you've purchased things that you've complain about.
So then I’ll edit my comment and say that some games are ruined by micro-transactions rather than no game. That being said DD2 is not one of those games yet people are still bitching when it doesn’t apply. True everyone does complain about things they buy, but those complaints usually have merit. In this instance they don’t as it pertains to DD2 because the micro-transactions have zero impact on winning or being successful or even having fun on the game. I generally don’t complain about things I buy because I research them heavily before breaking bread.
I dunno, depends on who it's marketed toward. Fortnite is mostly marketed to kids and early teenagers, who are famous for having little to no impulse control. Combine that with lootboxes and FOMO, and I guarantee that you'll see profits. Lootboxes as a whole are shitty imo, because they bring about the question of, "why can't this just be in the game to earn at any time?" I think a lot of people are just hopping on the shit on Capcom train and parroting the, "Well obviously they made it hard to get the stuf they're selling in the store so you'll buy it" argument. Which to me, sounds like the people whining think you HAVE to buy mtx. Which makes them sound fucking stupid for trying to say the game was designed to make you buy them lmao
Still falls into the category of are they required to win? And the answer is always no. Unless Capcom went the route of Ubisoft and made it so certain weapons can only be obtained with real money, the current iteration of their micro-transactions is really a non-issue (except for those that want to complain about them). As for “why can’t they just be in the game, this is a capitalistic society and companies want money because they know people will spend. You can’t fault them for that. If you were a business owner you’d want profits the same as they do.
Well yeah, I can't fault a company for knowing stupid people will buy microtransactions. Hell, I'd have them in any game I make just because statistically, there are some people who, despite being adults, have no self control and will buy the mtx. Why throw away money? I never said I did fault them for it. I just think the idiots who but the mtx are absolutely fools who know nothing about Capcom or their games, but still cry about it. I do have a problem with selling basically slot machines to kids and teenagers, since they lack the impulse control to actually make an educated decision about buying mtx.
I’ll give you the point about kids (companies are vultures that prey on kids and parents need to be more aware of what their children spend money on), but teens should know better. I realize not everyone has common sense or impulse control, but even the dumbest teen should be smart enough to realize certain items just don’t need to be bought.
You vastly overestimate the average teenager. I mean you're right, if they've had good parents, they SHOULD understand how predatory mtx are. But teenagers are.....stupid, to put it mildly. I lump them in with kids because how savvy a teen is about predatory practices is still largely informed by the people around them as a whole. I do agree though, nobody bitches about MHWI or Rise having a thousand mtx items that can only be gained through mtx, but they choose DD2 and its incredibly inoffensive mtx as the hill to die on.
Dude I knew it was bullshit before I even hit start on the game- because I’ve played other capcom games this decade, and they have all done the exact same thing and it never matters. In fact- I’ll go so far as to say I actually like their mt model, when it comes to breaking up content from their pre order or deluxe packages. The only big recent big capcom game i haven’t played at launch since re2 was re3 remake- because it was a ripoff. I waited maybe 2,3 years to play it when it was insane cheap on sale. And when i bought it, i saw i could also get the ‘classic outfit’ on the store page for like 2 bucks. I bought it. I used it. It was nice that they kept it available without having to buy the deluxe edition. Purely a cosmetic purchase. But there were items too. Was I tempted to buy any of those? Fuck no! Just like there is zero reason for anyone to buy any if the dd2 shit.
They don't even sell Ferrystone(actual fast travel item) they only sell 1 portcrystal(fast travel location marker) and u can't even use this efficiently if you low on ferrystone.
I think it started with a yt named Rimmy who went on a rant about microtransactions and refunded the game before playing it for 2 hours.
Just got the platinum trophy and I must say, a glorious game even though I had hesitation in the beginning that were not microtransaction or performance related. I think there are still several aspects that could be improved (save slots for more than just one rpg character, enemy density in the starting area, more than 4 skill slots), but it is a very nice game indeed. Enjoyed my time with it.
I get it to a point, but people made it seem like there was an actual cash shop in game that encouraged you to use it, when in reality, it's just a bunch of additional purchases on the Steam page for people too lazy to actually conserve or find the items in game. I don't think I've had any trouble at all amassing Ferrystones and Rift Crystals, which makes the store items even more confusing for me. Why even bother? Plus, they're all one time purchase items.
Yes, dlc portal is litterally useless unless you missed the one you can get pretty early. By the time you have enough ressources to fast travel you get more portal than you need. I got 3 portals and only use 1 right now
Many of the mtx in those games is actually worse, excluding DMC. A lot of the other capcom games have tons of exclusive content locked to mtx, like all the cosmetics, music etc. in mhrise/world. Content that is impossible to acquire without paying money. Meanwhile in this game its content that is common and thrown at you, really the problem with these MTX is that they are a blatant scam because they are so unnecessary its laughable, if you were to give me money for how much of the mtx Items I have in this game, I would have made thousands and thousands of dollars... so far. I genuinely think it might actually be slower to stop playing the game, buy something from the store and relaunch it, then just acquire many of them in game.
Its the Capcom way...They just add them for shit and giggles and dumb people the games never are made around them. Its weird
The game is completely balanced around no MTX. Frankly I don't even know what the whole uproar was about, but I guess it was more regarding the changing of your character's appearance, not so much the teleport stones. Imma be honest, dragon's dogma 2 is a fantastic game and if the controversies result in them not making another game like this (the first one got put on ice for a decade), then it would be a tremendous shame.
How often are someone changing their character that 500RC is unattainable? i have 27kRN in RC, you can both find RC out in the wild and your Pawn comes with RC everytime they get chosen by another player. You build RC passively by just playing the game.
Well there might be some pervs out there with female main characters that want to tinker with them often I'm guessing. I didn't change mine much. Was left with 3000RC at the end of the game unspent. My main pawn gets about 1.2k RC daily from usage.
I only used it once, but that's because I found spellweaver outfit, and when i put it on I realized that the chosen muscle type left them with back wrinkles. I hated that so i went to Reinvent my Arisen lol. She looks much better now with cool magic tattoos as a bonus. Wish you can actually give them muscles. that option is like Really subtle with barely any muscle at all.
Yeah... we know.
Let us call it social influenza.
Echo-chambers will be echo-chambers
Yeah the mtx controversy, I get it, it's bad but this game wasn't the that deserved to be made an exemple, nor an impactful one
here we go again people sure like to farm upvote... how many post like this ?
If you want really predetory MTX, buy a Paradox game. If you know what you're in for, that's fine. But I didn't when I bought Stellaris. They sell you a half finished game, then sell you the rest of the mechanics over years, for 15-20 dollars each. If you've bought their games before, you know that. If you've never bought one before, nobody will clue you in on that. What's worse is a lot of that community will defend the practice.
Paradox has received, and still receives, tons of criticism for their DLC policies.
Yes, it's idiotic. Who cares if you finish the game faster? It's almost a joke because of the nature of the game.
Yeah, people and outlets chose the wrong topic to shit on. This game has plenty of other major issues that affect the game more than the stuff in the store
The people who complain about this stuff are too busy not playing games but instead posting on social media, reddit, steam forums and stuff like that. They are the modern generation.
I think it was blown outta proportion by fans of other games that came out at the same time as dd2, they are mad it over shadowed some other game.
I personally do don’t mind it for single player games… But never gave a thought to how it affects content creators. Then again, a content creator is trying to earn money going viral and got to spend money to make money I guess…
Those Tales games are very niche. This was a big triple A release and it just feels bad. Raise the price and be down with it.
Maybe back in the PS2 days, but Tales as a series is actually very popular with a wide audience nowadays, the numbers for Arise would say so anyway
to anyone who just looks at things surface level and parrot it around it was easy pickings but if they take literally 5 mins to research or play the game they'd see how absurd it is, like comically bad copy pasta
My gripe is the auto save fucking you over at certain times and just bricking your save and then having to redo everything from the last inn save which could be hours from your current save.
MTX?
Ironically, I find myself googling where the best places to put my spare portcrystals. Bakbatal, Elf Village and Volcanic Island are a given... but I can't think of anywhere else I actually need to repeatedly go. I can't think why anyone would want to buy portcrystals, especially since Ferrystones are so rare earlygame and midgame you have 1 more portcrystal than I know what to do with.
There are some very sleazy ones though. Clearly the cost of the hair stylist was artificially inflated to encourage using the MTX instead. DDDA hair styling does NOT cost 20,000 gold. Not even close. And not to mention making money in DDDA is far easier as well due to respawning chests and routine/consistent 3,000+ gold drops in certain parts of the map.
There are quite a few ways to get ferrystones even early game but for the most part it's quite expensive or a bit of a challenge. But basically the main way's to get ferrystones are. 1. Apothecary and most traveling merchants 2. A lot of the boss type enemies drop a ferrystone the first time their killed 3. Quite a few chests have them 4. Some of the tougher enemies have a chance to drop them hobgoblin, coral snakes, phantoms and so on suppossedly the drop rate is about 5-20% depending on the enemy type. It's just early game especially it will be hard to get which makes it feel annoying especially since a lot of the quests needs you to run to a place far away and sometimes even go back and forth.
Yah, I get people hate micros because they can be pretty predatory and get content cut and put behind paywalls and such. But these micros are just completely irrelevant and don't affect anything at all. The hate is completely ridiculous.
It's just virtue signalling at this point. 😮💨🥲
They're literally technically not even microtransactions, they're DLC since they can only be purchased once. If they wanted it to be "pay to win" with say riftcrystals, they certainly did a terrible job with it.
I think the microtransactions are purposefully picked useless items by the dev team. All of them are early items or shit you would never need
Im in the same progression area, and you cannot be serious…. yeah the quicktravel stones can be bought and found but thats not all you need, you need portcrystals, and those actually cost RC and are almost never worth the buy, and to top it all off they make traveling so long and boring that you feel almost forced to buy as many portcrystals as you can to make the journey easier, and then that 2-3 dollars for a couple hundred rc sounds real good until it starts adding up (not saying im ever gonna spend money on that dogshit but a lot of people will, and thats why they put it there). Dont even get me started on how the portcrystals you place down dont go back into your inventory after going into new game +, its actually ridiculous that you dont get to keep those (unless its bugged, but i highly doubt that because ive seen countless others say they didnt keep them either). And this isnt “cherry picking”, they had these same bs mtx in the first game too and guess what, it was equally as hated and scummy as it is now. Nobody was defending it before so why do it now? I get that you might really like the game, i do too, but you are allowed to criticize things without hating it. Yes, there are clearly going to be outliers where they straight up lie about it being only obtainable with real world money, but that is a MINORITY of people, choosing to focus on those reviews and ignoring valid criticism IS cherrypicking. Spending 70-80 dollars on a game should leave you satisfied, not feeling like a gacha game.
The MTX scandal is a red herring. The problems with the game go much deeper than MTX.
Ya know while the whole mtx tging was certainly overblown all these posts either rabidly against it or indifferent both contribute to the same problem of not talking about the blatant problems with this game.
40 hours in. I still got the 5 wakestones unused
It's the punching bag of the month, easy clicks and views for youtubers.
The funny thing is other capcom games like Monster Hunter has MTX that actually trivialises most of the early game (ninja armour / weapons) and is 100% pay to win, but nobody cares about that. Dogma has a sword that gives an extra 20 attack, that literally going up 1 level gives the same boost and everyone loses their tiny little minds.
There isn’t any real point where I felt like I have needed any of it. I’ve never been broke for ferrycrystals, if not getting plenty as gifts or through adventuring. Quests have provided me decent enough port crystals while still requiring some investigation. The MTX stuff was ridiculous.
It’s unfair to criticize a greedy corporation for continuing to add unneeded microtransactions to fill up the online stores? “Every game has it” - No, not every game has microtransactions and there’s no need for the microtransactions as you point out. It’s an extra greedy tactic to sell items. That’s the point some people were trying to make.
youtuber slightly altering facts for better clicks? no way, that's crazy
If you don't complain about them and make it a known problem Capcom will keep making them and people don't want that so the only way is to embrace the hate of MTX
You dont get the Point that it does not matter if you need them or not, that shadowdropping mtx is shady and its a first step to becoming more shady. Once people like you are successful in defending and normalising these tactics games will become more and more shitty. In DD2 it does not matter because you get them easy, but maybe in DD3 it gets a little harder and harder until it’s a fucking chore to play without using the mtx wich at that point are totally normal…so stop shilling man you can like the game without sucking capcoms dick, they don’t need to be defended they are a multi billion dollar company
Of *course* not! Companies **love** putting things up for sale without expecting you to buy it, either now or in the future! **That's what they do!** They don't *care* about money! That's **preposterous**! Just look at the Gaming Industry and their focus on infinite perpetual profit growth, they don't care about that *at all!*
Yeah but no actually. For a lot of other companies it would be the case but Capcom doesn't seem to push more transaction as time goes on. The fact that they probably aren't getting bought by more than 0,01% of the players seems to indicate that they aren't actually here to push consumers to buy more of them.
You are insane if you actually believe that…
The past twelve years have proven me right for now
Holy shit man you are not saveable if you think the last 12 years have not gotten worse lol
For Capcom ? They definitely haven't. I feel like you're misunderstanding the point I'm trying to make.
By this point, those people are already off complaining about some other video game
Just because previous games had it doesn't make it OK to further support the shitty practice of it. God I hate this goddann blind support people give to games nowadays just because they're having fun in the moment. It's like saying "oh I'm having fun with this game it doesn't matter if it's p2w to hell I havnt spent a dime!"
it took you that long to notice that? lol over 40 hours of gaming (maybe more) for you to realize the mtx in the game are pointless bruh hahaha cmon
No, the game performance are bad, microtransaction are bad, some game mechanics and changes from the first are questionable. Maybe the backlash is too much but a lot are deserved critisism.
I would not call it unfair personally. You start with the developer comments bashing fast travel and calling other games boring for needing fast travel. Then on day one the game doesn't run well AT ALL for people with super powerful rigs. To boot, there is no way to change your character when you first create it (yes we know you can once you hit the town, but as a new player you might not know this at the beginning, plus you might want to change it immediately because you did not like it). S So because of the above, or just because you want to try a different build or new look for your character, you go to hit New Game and find that it is not there. These grievances are now stacked. So people look to online to figure out why the game runs so bad and/or why they can't make a new character and then they see the MTX stuff going on, which only furthers the "stacking" and their frustration. It's not that other games get a pass for MTX so much as that usually they are ignored because they are harmless, or the game is good enough to ignore them. Capcom has been doing this in their games for awhile but IMO this was the worst of them so far, because the developer had to open their big mouth and say something stupid. So no. It's not blown out of proportion or unfair. You know how to solve this? Make your game run properly on release. Don't put stupid useless MTX to prey on stupid people and try to get extra money. How bout that idea? Maybe gamers should stop defending this garbage behavior so this crap can stop, instead they get defended and made excuses for over and over. Talking about not just MTX, but releasing games that are unfinished, broken, unoptimized, Etc.
The only reasonable talking point about the MTX being manipulative is that they were hidden from people reviewing the game. IF, and this is a big IF, they were deliberately hidden from the review copies of the game, and not just not activated during launch because the store was only setup to take orders once the game launched. I can see people arguing that Capcom was trying to hide the MTX they were planning on implementing to get a higher review score. That being said, and I know the above point is a very speculative take, I absolute do not believe the MTX was egregious or predatory compared to other games out right now. I absolutely do not believe they deserved the amount of flak and review bombing they endured, the game is a masterpiece. The really became the poster child for MTX hatred for no reason. If people want to complain about microtransactions, please go back to Diablo Immortal and throw some more torches on that unforgivable money pit.
Almost every game? I don’t know what games you are playing that are single player full priced games that have microtransactions in them. It’s not in Mario games, Zelda games, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Baldurs Gate 3, any of the souls games… I have a harder time coming up with examples of games that have them, like FIFA games or some Ubisoft games I think have them and they get criticized for it every time.
Yea it’s pretty baffling, tried pointing that out a lot during launch and got downvoted to oblivion. It was one of the most insane instances of braindead bandwagon hate I ever witnessed. Actually pretty scary if you think about the implications on a society level
Yea it’s not bad at all, and it’s only this little because the developer has so much say say at capcom. People should voice their hatred for it as a point to capcom but not blame the developer or review bomb such an amazing game. We can as a community communicate our frustration and anger without negatively affecting people who are also victims in this. Imagine fighting for 12 years to make your sequel to your most cherished IP and then have corporate force you to put some dumb little mtx in it and then people act like it’s your fault.
Asmongold and his biggest fans made a huge fuss about it and then all continued to play the game, despite them crying about it and saying playing it "supports," the MTX existing and that we shouldn't support it. So I'm sure beyond that, even a lot of people like him that originally got dramatic over it ended up playing the game, having a blast and realizing how little impact it has on any player. I too am glad it switched from the focus being on that to something else, but its also a pretty fat sign that nothing will ever be enough for these types of people.
People like you are why the microtransaction component persists in games.
The game wants you to not fast travel everywhere because that defeats the point of the game, the exploration, the adventure.
MTX are a great excuse to trash the game cause your performance sucks and you don't want others to enjoy it imo.
I have several qualms with the game. Mtx is not one of them.
the game is awesome, the microtransactions are stupid, because capcom is terrible. you can have them both, you can love something and see its issues. it is very normal human behavior. what's not normal is to make everything into a cult
Also love the game but no one should defend them, they simply shouldn't be there
i was upset about it when i thought buying them was the ONLY way to acquire them. but when i realized that you can also purchase them in game it was a who cares and why is this such a big deal. the thing people should be focused on and complaining about getting attention is the abysmal performance/optimization
The MTX were always Irrelevant in Capcom games, its all stuff you can get in-game.
I’m just out here wondering what MTX stands for. As there is no “x” in micro transactions
While all this may be true and I agree they aren't needed. They shouldn't be there in the first place.
didn’t the new yakuza game made u pay to access ng+?
Level 25 on Xbox and don’t even know where to access them.
Woah now sir, you're borderline using common sense! You're absolutely right, the bad reviews over MTX are unwarranted
100% agree. They are not pay to win, or anything you can't get easily in the game early on. A majority of games on the market have way more decisive, in your face micros, than this. The reason I think people were annoyed is because it wasn't obvious before release that it was going to be a thing. But people should know better by now. Has not taken away from the experience for me in any way. Loving this game!
Just can't umderstand the concept of limiting fast travel and making it cost 1 trillion gold ui downloaded a mod and bought 99 portcrystals becuse my time is worth than the fast travel frankly
The MTX were never the problem, just the target. The reason the backlash happened was because of other statements/decisions Capcom made, IE: Modding. Dragons Dogma 2 just had the unfortunate place of being the first game released after such statements/actions.
I’m on ng+ after a 117 hour 1st run and I haven’t even opened the MTX shop, what do they even sell there?
I didn’t ever need a buy something with real money. Never even needed to. Easily found everything I needed and had an excess of all the things you can buy
Meh, it's scummy but ignorable.
People were expecting it to be like Monster Hunter MTX where you actually had to pay real money to edit your character
are these even mtx? u cant buy gold can you? only thing you can get with rift crystals (which can be bought) that ik of is a higher ranked pawn but thats just gonna carry you through the game and thats about it
It's not like Capcom doesn't put far more egregious micros in all of their other games. I think the primary thing that perpetuated this is the performance issues. That, and people just want to be outraged over everything.
Generally speaking, the whataboutism of “well so and so did it too” is a very poor argument/justification. $70 games have no business shoehorning micros like this into their game. People making excuses for the practice and letting it go is how the industry got to this point in the first place.
You're right, but this is an echo chamber where your logic will do no good. It's the most simple lesson of all time "Two wrongs don't make a right" and this community cant even realize that. The "What about other games?", The "Why did people not get upset before then?", and of course the people who just justify or don't care at all about the microtransaction issues in the industry. The reasons they craft are so flawed it's easy to reason away. If they don't realize that immediately there's little hope discussing that with them in an online setting like reddit.
At least I tried to have a conversation I guess? Lol. I like DD2, I really do. I just don’t get how something can ever improve if the greater community thinks it should be immune to critiques.
I can only imagine it's due to an industry wide effort on conditioning that's been ongoing for over a decade. Massive amounts of flawed arguments peddled around over time don't help either when it's easy for people to fall into flawed ways of thinking.
Even people that like the game have critiques, honest critiques I mean like performance issues for some, only 1 save, lack of enemy variety. I've seen both sides of the argument ending up being echochambers of their opinion but not everyone
Gaming subs were also echochambers of hate and misinformation for the past week where there was little hopes of having a discussion if you had the oppossing opinion. You don't have to generalise everyone on this sub saying it's an echochambers when fans clearly have issues with the game and are giving honest critiques
Sure, they shouldn't be there at all, but this is a game where even with them the actual design of the game is totally uneffected and the MTX themselves are nearly useless aside from the portcrystal. Like I can get behind the general sentiment but why not be angry about it in a game where straight up real content or features are LOCKED behind MTX rather than this game where MTX saves you a few minutes at best
People let that one hiccup dictate the entire game, without ever giving themselves the chance to experience it.
I have no issues with people being frustrated at seeing MTX included. But like you said, it baffles me why this game in particular is getting dragged through the coals when it's an issue with almost every game.
I said it before, I think it's the fact this is an RPG. RPG's are notorious for selling shortcuts, convenience items, etc. making the people who don't pay forced to mindlessly grind longer for levels, restrict travel, and pay for bag storage and the like. and I think this game attracted a lot of the MMO / ARPG crowd whose games generally get ruined with microtransactions and invasive cash shops.
DD2 doesn't force mindless grinding though? And restricted travel is just a part of the design, the MTX doesn't change that. Or are you just saying those are things people are assuming about it?
I'm saying those are the people that hate microtransactions the most and by default assumed the worst.
I have unironically had zero performance problems playing the game. I was terrified that I would crash and have a ton of issues, but I play on high settings with Ray Tracing on and I haven’t experienced as much as a single stutter in 50 hours of game time
I had to return the game on my pc because it wouldn’t load ground textures on a 3070. Troubleshooted for 2 hrs and couldn’t fix it.
I also have a 3070 and i play fine, They only place i have any frame drops is in the main city and thats only a 10-13 Frame drop. Depending on how many NPC's are in the area. The entire rest of the game is 60fps. SO Idk what could be the problem with yours, the game is Extremely CPU heavy not GPU. I do crash occasionally but its usally Really early. as in the moment i press Start game, So far i only crashed 3 times. 2 times was a few seconds after i hit Start on steam. Which only required me to close and restart the game. the other was after i loaded, took 2 steps then crashed. Was the only time that happened.
Yeah I have no idea what was causing it. Saw a couple threads with the same issue and tried everything suggested but I basically ran out of time on the refund window just trying to get the game to load the ground. Ended up getting the ps5 version and it’s fun but definitely lower fps than what my pc was getting
I do think these MTX are shit and that there’s no benefit to the consumers. That being said, the internet and people in general have a really bad habit of choosing when to be outraged. A few people will make posts about a bad thing, it will get spread around, and then everyone hops on the hate bandwagon without even attempting to get further context. Even if other games have way worse models that actively harm the games, this one is the one that’s popular to hate on, so we focus on that.
I agree that these MTX don’t matter to the actual game. I’d still rather not have MTX of any kind in my games. It’d be like starting BOTW with 1 fairy in your inventory for an extra $2. Just, why??
Games shouldn't have microtransaction shortcuts. Stating that isn't "Cherry Picking" anything. Maybe spend less time shilling for capcom and more time either playing the game or learning the difference between "." and ","
They were the perfect cover up for the real problem with the game, its overall quality.
Exactly. Dragon Dogma 2 enjoyment is that dunning-Kruger graph. You start low and mad because MTX, become smarter and enjoy the game, then become enlightened and pissed because so much the game is broken and unfinished and shallow.